Is the 2024 Honda Prologue REALLY A Winner? Let's Take a Closer Look!
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- Опубликовано: 10 июн 2024
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Did Honda hire the Jeep Cherokee designer?
I thought it was jeep at first looking at the thumbnail.
I hope so cuz it’d be an improvement.
I thought the same thing even after several looks
Yeooo thought I was the only one who thought that 😂
Lol fr. Looks like jeep
First thought is “it looks like a jeep “.
Same
Right!
And has GMs chime
Two observations
1. The optional dealer "grill" more than evokes a Jeep.
*I can see some legal departments getting involved here
2. The rims nicely looks like 1970s Honda Civic black steel wheels.
Thought as much but as these are squared instead of rectangular, perhaps this doesn't infringe on the patented jeep...
I must admit I had to do a double take.
What about the Suzuki jimny grille?
It looks like a jeep compass
If it’s already gone through the process and being made. Then their good. Nothings gonna happen.
I love it when you guys give a little culture and history in your videos, explaining everything as you segway into the new. Keep it up. you guys make awesome content
I’m with you. I love simple designs where “simple” should go. that charging little door does not need gimmicky electronics or fancy movements. it just needs to open and close period.
This writer agrees-BUT- it opens the wrong way. It should open to the rear, to make for better cable attachment.
But, but, but that's what the consumer want's, gadgets and gizmos that makes driving more difficult. Isn't it?
I guess they figure with all the saftey devices the car can drive itself while the driver gets distracted playing with all the gizmos. I get it now, don't you?
I agree. Especially if you charge daily or every other day at home. I have zero faith that these doors will work after 5 years.
Nice it's a EV that's not weird. inside and out.
Thats what all boomers say.
@@Dark_Vader888 Thats what all gen z idiot say.
Bingo. But that credit also goes to the GM version. They're not my style but both are handsome
"normal" vehicles. Yes, I'm talking to you Hyundai.
The Blazer EV is available in FWD, RWD, AND AWD. Crazy.
It’s not even available though. I thought there was a stop sale and I haven’t heard of them resuming.
I thought it’s only AWD right now? The other formats come later… which could take awhile if the Lyriq rollout is to be used as an example
@@Fabulousprofound168 the AWD RS are at dealerships and I thought I saw some RWD RS. There are 2LT that say they are in transit but you can't buy any Blazer EV's because their software has been a disaster.
The beauty of an electric motor. Ain't it grand?
1:53 Did Jeep lose its patent on the seven slotted grille?
I thought it was a jeep til Nathan said Honda
Jeep has 7 slots. How many slots do you count on this Honda?
I count six slots, but those 7 pillars sure make it look like a Jeep
Edit: I now count 8 pillars. Black on black confusing to my view.
Jeep: Never!
I'm counting 4 vehicles from the same platform? Cadillac Kyriq
Chevrolet Blazer EV
Honda Prologue
Acura ZDX 🤔
The Prologue looks so much better without all that crap stuck on it.
That rubber trim on the doors won't protect other drivers from Nathan's wife ramming her doors into their cars.
Thanks Nathan! Don’t understand why a new EV still comes out with the outdated CCS charging connector. It is 2024 and the new Honda models were supposed to be equipped with Tesla NACS charging plugs. Go figure..
Unfortunately almost everyone’s press release states they will offer an adapter in 2024 with a transition to the NACS from the factory for 2025. Technically we could have some 2025 models released in 2024 with NACS, but it seems some companies meant manufacturing dates in 2025. We may see some 2025 models with different ports based on their manufacturing date.
Actually only Acura is for 2024 Honda will be online 2025-2026
Eh, it's not something to worry about. You're going to need an adapter either way. If it ships with CCS, you'll need the NACS adapter as the industry makes the jump. If it ships with NACS, you'll still need a CCS adapter to use the thousands of existing fast chargers that still have CCS. And it will take AWHILE before the charging infrastructure is pure NACS: think of how many 50 kw EVgo units are still in service! Regardless, you're going to be playing with adapters for another half decade to a decade even if you get NACS with your car.
They are going to release an adapter….relax
Favorite looking crossover period. Pretty cool glad to see usable EVs coming out
Judging by the available space under the hood, Honda can always throw a 2.0L turbo ICE in the engine bay if this EV arrangement doesn't work out. I'm not an EV fan, otherwise it's a very sharp looking vehicle.
That's never happening unfortunately, the skateboard design ( motors, wheels and battery bottom section) means no engine subframe, only mounting points for the body. Also the interior space and crash structure is optimized around it, whole redesign is required if it were to use an Ice, much easier for Honda to face-lift a Pilot ...
Jeep Compass vibes from that front end. Weird.
Jeep Compass vibes from a Hondo made by GM. We live in strange times.
Seeing it in red makes it look way more Compass. Although I didn't look at other comments yet.
Appreciate the knowledgeable presentation
Is this thing different enough from the Chevy Blazer EV that it's based on or will a stop-sale be issued for this too?
not sure about the stop sale, but carplay/android auto is a huge plus with this thing
Considering this won’t be out until mid/late 2024, the software issues are likely to have been solved before then. Owner forums are already saying they have gotten some fixes.
Looks great in the FWD, 296 epa range, planning to test drive one soon
Didn’t see rear seat heater controls in the Elite trim brushing against $60k - maybe I missed it.
Glad you can drop down to 19” wheels on Elite trim. Curious if that will add a little range back
Honda also sold V6 engines for Saturn Vue SUVs. Would love to be fly on the wall for that deal.
Hey Nathan. Thanks very much for this. I agree about the design and the ergos of the controls. Do you know the towing capacity? I've heard mixed numbers. 5000 lbs. would be great.
Mostly likely 2000 lbs, EVs have less towing rates.
I would also guess about 2500 lbs max. Both because it's an EV but also because the target audience doesn't tow much, maybe just bikes or a little teardrop trailer.
how do you walk around with cubic feet?
Your comment speaks volumes
I’m a Jeep person looking for a full EV. This is perfect for me! I would buy this tomorrow but according to Honda’s website this won’t be available in my area in Canada until 2026. Which probably means 2027.
I mean, you could buy a Wagoneer S when it comes out later this year
Wagoneer S or Recon
Waaayyy out of my budget but they look great.
By 2026 there will be more options for EVs as well so this may not be longer be worth it unless they migrate it onto a true Honda EV platform with better specs.
It looks like a jeep and it's got jeep tail lights too. Something is suspicious. Did Honda hire jeep designers to design the prologue! Because it looks just like a jeep. Honda design is failing. The new accord is bland and hideous. The only thing it offers is it's size.
Whats with the electric cable hidden behind the red one.. @3:05 you can see it.. Are these prototypes still?
I would guess they are just keeping them powered while on display. Probably lots of "journalists" coming and going and poking at these for days.
I was going to say the same. It looks pretty clear to be plugged in somewhere to keep the lights and all that on for hours while journalists come through to make their videos.@@fortniteharambe
I like the conventional styling and interior.... 🙂
Blazer has FWD in the yet to be released LT trims
If Oldsmobile was still around, this is what it would look like.
It is a GM Ultium vehicle, so you aren't far off.
Couldn’t put my finger on it but I think you are right. Love Honda but this looks like a miss.
Great video, that price is going to be a huge wet blanket on sales
so is that whole built by GM in Mexico thing. Grew up on a farm. Grandpa had a Buick and Olds dealership. Loved GM cars and trucks. Not so much anymore. I've been avoiding GM like the plague for around 15 years (and I'm better off for it). Buying a Honda-badged GM vehicle sort of gives me the shudders. I like my Youngstown, OH cars.
Thanks for the first look at Prologue!! The ‘dolled-up’ version of the Elite is attractive just like the BZ4X is attractive (😷). Honda will NEED the IRA $7500 to take a base AWD onto the market at $53K. Hope it comes through as it looks like a really decent implementation of the Ultium platform.
Did Honda get a contract with penalties if GM can’t make battery packs fast enough??
Real buttons, gauge cluster, big screens on vehicles = perfect.
The fact that we need to point that out should tell the car manufactures something. Yet, many still don't get it.
At the very least, it looks great! I saw one of these at an auto show, and really liked it. 150kW is not that slow, if you consider that cars capable of charging faster only do so for about 3-5 minutes, before tapering back to ~140 kW anyway. To me, it's not worth the extra stress on the battery, to save 10 minutes or so on a charge session.
I will sacrifice a few miles of range, to have all-wheel-drive. I live in Northern Utah, where we have winter snow. I also live on a 18% grade, where I have a tough time climbing the hill with a front wheel drive car. Front wheel drive is even less effective in an EV, because you don't have the bulk of its weight over its drive wheels. EV's tend to have equal weight on all four wheels, owing to the enormous battery. Because of its near perfect weight distribution, all wheel drive is the way to go, in adverse weather.
Are those low contrast LCD screens? It looks dated already
Better looking than Honda passport for sure.
It's beautiful and doesn't even look like an EV.
it was at least interesting until you said the starting price for the entry level. no way in hell am I paying almost $50k for that thing. Ill wait a year until the low mile lease returns start showing up and Ill buy a loaded one for $35k
Yeah this car is way overpriced compared to what you can buy in the same range with faster charging and more features. I was expecting the front wheel to be right under 40 lol
This will likely qualify for at least $3750 federal tax credit by the time it's released plus many folks will receive $2500-$5000 incentive depending on their state. In short, most of the buyers Honda is aiming for with the Prologue, the base price will be around $40k.
@@spazzman90 don’t care. EV initial depreciation is massive. Worse than ICE cars. As I said above, the credit doesn’t make added depreciation so I’d wait for a lightly used low mile one that’s 30% less expensive.
A model Y with the $7500 point of sale tax rebate is under $35000. Who would even contemplate this car with that price difference.
It makes a lot of economic sense to have a few suppliers of the "skateboards" for EV to take advantage of economies of scale and to amortize huge capital investments over more units.
Great interior.
And…the Blazer EV will offer a FWD version as well.
What's up with that grille? I'm trying to shift my focus but I keep getting Jeep vibes. Is there a name being spelled out? I have no idea what's going on.
And THANK YOU! Yours is the first channel that seems to understand that Ultium is a platform, which means that since it is shared among a few vehicles, it doesn't mean that the vehicles themselves are the same.
I’m confused why this looks less related to the Chevy than the Acura ZDX does. With the ZDX I could visually pick out reused components more than I can with the Prologue. I think I read that this will be a 1 generation collaboration. That’s a concern to me and would make me cautious about this vehicle. Big issue with me is the location of the charging port. When it does switch to NACS, the location needs to be moved to the rear driver side.
The charge port isn't moving. Tesla is installing longer cables.
@@bahamatodd Good to hear, I was just watching a video where somebody with a Tesla was struggling to back up far enough without hitting and still get the stubby cable to reach.
When are you going to review the Fisker Ocean?
YAY!!! BRING THE BUTTON BACK! cool video 👍
Its a good start tbh... its not as punchy or powerful as e-gmp platform with better value.. but for those who likes the Honda brand that won't touch any other brand, they have something to consider. I think it looks pretty good enough and has its own design identity.
tbh, I love that manufacturers are finally flexing their designs forward since EVs are starting to get better... many ICE counterparts are just boring and very little design refreshes or any changes because they reached the limit what it can do on the front end.
Looks like a jeep designed by honda
Do you think Jeep will be flattered or pissed off?
@@krane15 jeep would be ecstatic if they were a honda but designed like a jeep, considering how terribly unreliable their cars are.
Pros over Blazer: lower cost, CarPlay. Cons: less range, not as of nice infotainment screen layout.
Push buttons and knobs are critical to safe operation. Any time one has to diddle around with multiple screens to use a function is needless distraction from driving--no safe.
Thanks for the walkthrough, Nathan! One area where I think all car reviewers need to start applying a bit more nuance is when they are discussing charging speeds. I get that peak charging speeds are an easy number to reference, but without context, the peak charging speed is largely meaningless. The more pertinent number is average charging speed, and even that needs to be adjusted by actual driving efficiency. And then, from the end user, non-tech-geek driver perspective, what really matters is how the charging speeds align with everyday use.
The 85 kWh Ultium pack has roughly the same average C rate to 80% as Tesla's 2170 packs, but Ultium has a flatter curve. If you're someone who makes fewer but longer charging stops on trips, there's almost no difference between the two. If you're comfortable driving to nearly empty and only stopping for 10 to 15 minutes, then you can start to accrue an advantage in travel times in a Tesla at the cost of more relaxed stops. By comparison, E-GMP cars probably provide the most utility because they can charge to 80% in about half the time of either the Tesla or Ultium platforms, but for the same utility, they tend to be slightly less efficient.
Realistically, though, unless you are a regular long-distance traveler, the differences are minor. In fact, I'd argue that the onboard L2 AC charging speed might more relevant for most buyers.
What's inside just proved the new m3 highland without pre conditioning got 161 miles of hwy range back in 15mins of charging at a v3 scer.
The egimps aren't ahead of tesla at ALL SMDH further more they can't take over about 240kws max. And dcfc none tesla branded of 250-350kws are under 2% of ALL operating ccs1 chargers here in the us currently available. 👍🏻
@@4literv6 Are you talking about the same people who did a "70 mph range test" while only doing 60-65 mph? I'm not sure I trust their data.
Also, yes, E-GMP is definitely ahead of Tesla in terms of charging speed. They have a faster average charging speed to 80% when using a 150 kW CCS charger than the Model 3/Y have using a V3 Supercharger.
Not Honda's first "all electric EV for the United States." Don't forget the BEV version of the Honda Clarity, Honda Fit EV, and before that the Honda EV Plus from the 1990's California EV mandate.
Appreciate these early looks before the embargo is lifted
I like how they put one extra bar in the grill to make it not-a-Jeep 😂
Jeep should sue for design copyright.
Those HVAC controls are the same as the Colorado and the GMC Canyon!!!
So Honda did use GM parts bin in the interior also!!!
I miss the era of EG6, EK9, and DC2, when they are truly unique.
I currently have a Chevy Bolt EUV, and have my eye on the Prologue because it looks like the seats are much more comfy (will have to confirm by sitting in one myself), it will keep the Android Auto, the cup holders and arm rest look better, and I like the Honda brand better than any GM brand. I will hold off on a Prologue until they come out with the built in NACS port though, so no 2024 for me. This also gives me a chance to sit back and observe how well the Ultium platform performs during it's first year, plus let the purchasers of the 2024 model be the guinea pigs of the first model year. Would also be nice to see a charging rate better than 150 kW, I wonder if future versions with the NACS port will have upgraded charging speeds?
I read the title 7 times before I realized what I was actually looking at
57.7 cubic feet of cargo space with the seats down. Hehehehe. It always amazes me how my Bolt EV appears so small, but when the seats go down many of these medium size crossovers can barely beat it with seat-down cargo space.
Because the Bolt is built with no aerodynamics in mind simple Physics, it's a slow EV just meant for point A to B
@@willnye9788 I think you replied to the wrong comment.
@@Necrotron nah
@@willnye9788 so, why are you saying "it's a slow EV just meant meant to go from point A to B" when that's not what we're talking about? It really does look like you're replying to something else
@@Necrotron because it is, a lot of the EVs coming out have powerful electric motors ranging as high as 300 to 600 hp, to provide adequate vehicle handling they are built with aerodynamics in mind. EV vehicles lately are designed to do what gas vehicles cannot, perform at a higher level of efficiency nothing to do with cargo space. It is just fact that EVs are far more powerful and fun to drive with the handling that is created through the design and not comparable to boxy heavy duty gas vehicles.
Well, I think it'll still beat what Toyota with their EVs and Subaru's Solterra.
Get rid of the piano black on the dash and doors and I’m in!
12:06 best view of this vehicle
does it have one pedal drive ?
Yes
Best range in its class? But Blazer has longer range?
Honda should offer the bigger battery option to get the range up
EVs are a great alternative I can’t stand oil changes anymore or putting 50 dollars of gas in my wife’s SUV per week. My EV cost 6-12 dollars per charge and I charge 2 times a week
That’s assuming range reasonably meets estimates. I just got rid of my Tesla Model 3 because it began to perform poorly. Tesla even refused to give me an update on my battery degradation (16% last year @75k miles, but unknown this year with 89k). I recently drove 5 miles in my community and would lost 20 miles. I went from charging every 2 days to charging every day, and being able to drive 3 work segments to 1.5. So my savings went out when my efficiency seemed to be cut dramatically. They really broke my confidence in the company and the tech at this point.
@@g3johnston wow that sucks yeah I’ve only leased. Many others have owned EVs into the 150k + definitely would never own a EV without a warranty or extended warranty. Battery replace is very high at the moment so key is to always have some kind of warranty at all times. Or lease then your protected.
Yeah, those Isuzu/Hondas were really popular, well thought of & breakproof. Not. At. All....
Looks like a Jeep and a Ford Explorer had a baby.
Is this going to end up having major issues and a stop sell too?
It is so great when community raises a child. So child where are your parents? Kid ... They all are( HONDA ,GM , Tesla charger also i think the Milkman was a stlantis designer). Now when i misbehave only customer will pay😊. I hope some one at TFL gets a kick out of this comment . Another awesome video guys.
150 kw isn't impressive on paper, but you need to see the curve. Hitting a high number is one thing; holding the high number and slowly ramping down is another. I'm not going to suggest this will top a E-GMP car, but you can still get good charging performance on a smaller max rate if you have a flatter curve.
Kind of surprised Jeep isn’t going after them for a seven slot grill
Not the first Honda all EV. There was a Clarity EV. My a co-worker had one. It had only an 80 mile range.
Honda. One of the best things to happen to the US automotive industry and economy.
I would buy one if there were way more EV charging (Gas Stations) around. I love this vehicle though!
This could've been the 2025 Passport with the V6 and 10 speed Transmission and it would be a hit! Now they still need to come up with a new look for the Passport and they stuck lugging this GM clone around. For 50+k!
GM does have wireless CarPlay
Thought this was a Dodge...doesn't look Honda-like at all
Great video! Looks very much like a Jeep in front and back. The fact there's no frunk is a bit of a red flag for me. It means half-assed design.
Not a half assed design. Its a cost savings; studies show the frunk is the least used part of an EV. Anecdotal: I spent the $ to add a frunk to my 2019 Kia Niro, and its just a storage box for cables. The same cables that were under the floor in the rear cargo .
Few people even use a frunk
Will Honda design their own EV platform? I really like the design of the Prologue but the interior seems to be lacking. I wish they brought the retro EV to the US.
Yeah, but they aren’t introducing their own platform based EVs until like 2027/2028
that grill looks alot a like a jeep i dont remember seeing that on the press photos
This IS NOT Honda's first EV for the USA. Way back in the 90s, Honda had the EV Plus, had a Fit EV, had a Clarity EV...
Honda was not headquartered in Torrance, CA in 1959. Jeez.
we need to check up on this guy in the coming episode. If not we know why....he called out his .....'s driving. LOL
Of course Nathan has an agenda see 8:00 for listening to Biden's Playbook playing....
Frunk forces manufacture to put high-power electronics inside the vehicle. Is it worth it gaining a little extra storage? But you have to sit next to high power electronics that putting out high RF radiated emission. They probably shield all the high frequencies left with low frequency with long wavelength that may not going to do anything to human. But I believe high power stuff should be outside.
It's a GM product. Built by GM at the Ramos Arizpe plant in Mexico.
Yeeks.
Sorry I cannot put my money on a GM product. Honda when you actually build a EV your customers will support you.
@@juanseaforth5111 Yet Honda has no issue with putting their name on it. You don't think Honda didn't do their due diligence and has faith in the product they are actually putting their name on?
What in the jeep front end is this
8:13 Piano black interior is the worst of the worst.
Not to mention the piano black fender flares. They couldn’t have picked a more impractical finish
So when were Honda's turn in to jeeps?
Not bad looking. Weird choice to go with the "Jeep" front grille, but I think that's just one of the trim levels. On the website they have a normal "Honda" one (which is admittedly a bit bland). Anyway, looks ok. Not great... not terrible... but ok. If I were looking at midsize electrics, I'd consider it.
It's an EV that's simple to use, and I like it. It has a charge door that mimics a gas door in use, and nothing fancy like in other EVs where it likely could break. It's got normal door handles and not fancy flush or electronic door handles that likely could break or not come out in winter. It's got a normal interior layout with normal knobs and buttons for common tasks. It's got a normal center console with place to put items. It even has a normal start button and gear selector. It's an EV for folks that want to go electric but don't want to deal with the quirks of other EVs that likely could cause problems.
Pretty basic victim argument..."It's tough for me and I don't want to learn". Yes, more electronic components most likely means more problems but logically people don't buy EVs to last like the "old days" they are meant to be changed out every 3 to 4 years with the advancing tech and fast-paced everyday life.
@@willnye9788
It’s called making a solution to a problem nobody ever had or trying to find a solution nobody asked for. Nobody ever complained about door handles or gas doors. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
I mean automakers want EVs to permeate the masses, and most people don’t have 40k+ to spend on a car comfortably to begin with when the average salary is 65-75k, let alone to change it out every 4 years. The mentality might work for the wealthy early adopters who wanted something cool, but you’re not permeating the masses I mentioned earlier if you expect them to spend 40-50k and switch it out every 4 years. That comment doesn’t make sense for what automakers are trying to do with EVs.
@@KNRS927 yeah until it becomes a problem but it's okay "I don't have to deal with it because it is not broke". This mentality is so stupid because it hides accountability, typical victim mentality.
@@willnye9788 has it become a problem? The normal door handles and gas doors, for example, have been around for so long and hardly changed because there’s been no need for it. No research or studies have shown that it’s problematic Things like this just alter consumer behavior, if anything. When folks order Ubers not knowing cars and it takes them 3-5 minutes to find the door handle on a Tesla Uber, you know you’re altering consumer behavior.
You’re entitled to your own opinion, but there are many folks like Nathan that just want an EV that they can get in and go like a normal car and not have to alter the way they do things, and this car does that. They just want to get in easily, go, and not have to worry about so many things that can break. Not everyone wants to swap out cars every 4 years for new tech nor has the money to do so.
I feel like this is just a Honda Crosstour turned into EV. Even how Nathan described it at the end reminded me how the crosstour was describe lol
Crosstour is a totally different body style, but it seems similar in design and functionality
So it’s 10k more than what I can pick up a model Y for with less performance if it gets the tax credit?! If it doesn’t get the credit, i’ts around 17k more! This sounds like a Toyota Bz4x/Subaru Soltera flop. I’m a current EV owner looking to trade in this year, but I guess I will go with a Tesla model Y. It needs a 20% price cut to be competitive with Tesla. 😂
Go with the model y, you will not regret it,
Not everyone wants the bland styling of Tesla, and this vehicle does get the full tax credit/point of sale
@@phileasler5401 I understand that but so does the Tesla. It simply can’t compete with Tesla on the economics of things and with wages being stagnant and the high cost of living, $12k is a lot of money. I don’t see this being a sales success. Next, Honda will say that no one wants Evs instead of admitting they only offer a mediocre product.
You definitely need a fast opening charging door so you can quickly wait for it to charge. 😆👍
Those dealer installed accessories are awful. Honda should stick with the clean design of the standard model for the Prologue’s press tour
Could be a jeep
Lol.. without title i would have thought Jeep
Explains the Jeep Grill honda Chevy collaboration
And i thought Mazda got lazy with the CX-70...
I feel like everyone forgets that the Honda E exist
Thought that was a Cherokee! Damn Honda