To be fair those songs were mixed with the bass in mind so of course removing the bass track will sound terrrible. Having little to no bass is great for when you want something real harsh and cold like black metal.
@@Fireglo Even in Black Metal the Bass is pretty essential. Not in every band but check out anything Mayhem, Burzum, Imperium Dekadenz, Carparthian Forest etc. for those bands a lot of times the Bass plays melodic parts alongside the guitars. Fallen is a perfect example for a bm album with great bass lines
Agree on the first disagree on the second. I prefer JP. And I do think it's a shame Steve now does all the producing and mixing, earlier albums sounded so much better. Like Seventh Son. That record is crystal clear. Anything past BNW has become more and more muddy. Matter of Life and Death really started that sound but the songs were good so it's not too big a problem but on the latest record if you compare Maiden and JP you can very clearly hear which albun was made by a producer. Great guitar player too, saw hin live. Unfortunately Glen couldn't play anymore but Richie is the show anyway. He's like Rhandy Rhoads and Zakk Wylde in one person. Steve has kinda gone the Yngwie way. Do everything yourself, murder anyone who questions anything etc... Yngwie doesn't even have a band. He hires touring musicians and that's it. Records he plays everything. If he still had a singer it could work but he's not a great singer for his music. And he is decent but his music just calls for that high pitched operatic tenor (not unlike Bruce). Göran Edman fit the band so well but of course Yngwie has to piss everyone off.
It's also much easier to hear because the guitar is usually panned right and the bass left do it sounds much like live, with Tony and Geezer on either aide of the drums.
@@StepUpMedia039 i think he agree's but he was trying to say was that at the tail end of the backbone is obviously.... THE BALLS and the bass is the balls in that scenario
Mark Mendoza was the man that made me want to play bass. Then Steve Harris sealed the deal. It was an older metalhead cousin that explained to me what was that sound that I liked... "that is the bass" and got me one to start learning it. Sadly, my cousin passed last December. Thanks for everything and RIP.
A lot of times the reason I hear people saying they can't hear bass in Metal, it's because the bass is often mistaken for part of the guitar line, but yes, bass is audible in Metal more often than it isn't. Hell, some bands like Weedeater and Saint Vitus actually have the bass up louder than the guitars.
Couldn't agree more. People tend to mistake low end bass as part of guitar. It is not. On the other end of the spectrum, bands like Beyond Creation or Ne Obliviscaris incorporate bass with unique lines apart from guitar, and it's impossible to not hear it
This is why I love knocked loose. Random breaks for bass solos. But you can hear it big time in maiden even without headphones. That bass riff is so iconic
Ugh no... There's a lot of huge albums where you can barely hear the bass... Death metal and black metal is the most brutal form of music and you definitely don't hear bass... Bass is really only needed if you're a funk band and funk sucks
@@truthhurts79 I don’t know a nicer way to say this, but you just don’t know what you’re hearing my guy. Cannibal Corpse and Death both have the bass pretty high in the mix, or literally impossible to miss, you probably just think it’s part of the guitar sound.
@@nowhereweareagain not early death... Scream bloody gore, leprosy, spiritual healing... Nope... Black metal and grind core definitely doesn't put bass in the front either, and that's the most brutal form of metal out right now
rob scallon has a really good video discussing how the bass, while not really THAT audible on the surface, is key to the overall tone of the song and how it's produced
It wouldn't sound that bad if it was actually mixed without bass. Of course simply removing a bass track from a song that was mixed with bass would sound bad. Listen to some early black metal.
@@Fireglo I don't even think they removed the bass track but just eq'd it out, removing also the bass frequencies of the guitars. So all it shows is that you need bass frequencies to sound good, but not that you need the actual bass, let alone if it "gets lost in the mix".
there is one metal band that always stands out in my mind for putting the bass more at the front and that is mudvayne. The bass in Death blooms is great.
There's a lot of alternative metal bands (funk metal, nü metal, and so) where bass has a lot more presence or a different role in comparison to what's usually seen in other metal subgenres. Comes to mind the case of Korn where Fieldy (the bassist) uses the bass as if it was a percussion instrument.
I’m mainly a guitarist for 38 years but also play the bass a bit here and there as well just because it’s really fun to do for a change or even sometimes just to warm up before playing 6 string electric guitar ( I love the low note rumble and it makes playing a guitar with the way smaller strings and shorter neck and smaller fret gaps seem much easier after an hour bass session ! 😄) and I know how important it really is , for me Heavy Metal or any other music really is just not the same without a Fat Behs track holding down the mix. Bass bottom end anchors an already killer track and really fills it in like no other instrument can do ( except maybe and 8-10 string guitar!), it absolutely has to be there … and with a groove thicker than grandma’s gravy if at all possible ! 🤭 Loved the “pic” of Lars in a Megadeth shirt playing Bass! No disrespect to Lars as he is obviously a drummer … but Rob Trujillo ( his guitar playing is awesome as well ! 😊) , Jr. ( David Ellefson ) or even James Lamenzo will absolutely blow him away on bass 😄 Any chance you can do a long form review of Charles Berthoud 😮 and his insane Behs playing as well as some of the techniques he uses ?! 🤔 that dude is flat out incredible! Some of the most killer Bass playing I’ve heard in the last 30 years! so happy to accidentally come across him! ( think where I first heard him was on Jared Dines 2022 shred colab ) Whammy on a Bass was particularly interesting to me as I’ve never heard/ seen anyone else do that yet ! ( I’m sure someone has , but I’ve just never heard it ! ) if anyone does know of some other examples of that ( bass with a whammy ) let me know , I’d absolutely love to hear it ! Thanks 🙏 in advance! 😊
@@mikegraphone2736Thanks. Androids tend to get ignored a lot, too many iPhone snobs out there with their tiny cracked screens! Everyone l know with an iPhone has a cracked screen! I have a Samsung Note 20, protect it (as l have every Android smart phone) with an Otter Box, pay $9 a month for insurance and can get a replacement for $150 (USD). I'm not rich, but my phones last years and have been dropped/knocked over/fallen out of pockets etc. and are still running, but all the iPhone owners l know have those tiny ones with screens that crack from falling two feet to the ground.
@@mrc25381 I would if I had a bass/the money to buy one. I'm also putting off getting one until I move out of my parents' because I live in a shoe box and I don't need to add an amp to the list of things that I trip over on a daily basis.
@@mrc25381It takes money, and not everyone lives where they can get an affordable instrument and gear. Bass gear is expensive compared to guitar, and l live in the US and can get (and own) plenty of inexpensive guitars, effects and amps that can be heard over drums and vocals, but bass requires much more than $100 USD to work for a beginner.
“Lifesblood For The Downtrodden” has the best bass sound/performance of Crowbar’s catalog. Wouldn’t expect anything else with Rex Brown playing on it - his tone is MONSTROUS
Admittedly, most people can't "hear" the Bass in many songs, but just like you pointed out, everyone notices something is wrong if the Bass suddenly drops out. Now, a Bass player should be able to pick out the Bass in the mix, but we have to train our ears to listen for those low frequencies
I recently got a first press copy of Slipknot’s debut and it surprised me how much clearer you could hear each instrument, especially the bass, compared to the mixes of the album that are more widely available now.
that's mainly because (especially Paul Grays) bass tone was recorded and mixed in a way that would sound raw. This is especially true for their first two records (ST and Iowa), where he would use growly Warwicks (Corvette Std and Thumb). If you listen to the isolated tracks (you can find some for Left Behind for example), you will notice that it's really not what you would expect from most other bands.
@@aussieraideraaron2946 I would but recently I made the switch to CD cause it just wasn’t worth the money and effort needed to get a decent vinyl listening experience. Plus I’m doing a Nu Metal collection and I’m trying to do like an “authentic experience” with it and I like how they would do hidden tracks n shit on CDs.
Now... if you love him SPELL IT CORRECTLY out of respect Dave Fucking ELLEFSON There has always been a rule in metal If you love the band or the guy if you put the word FUCKING in front of the name to show your level of love then raise the horns \m/ YOU BETTER !!! GET THE FUCKING NAME RIGHT In my day, for this.... You were bashed. Consider yourself fortunate that you are merely corrected and that's not a joke. if we got that wrong, a Megadeth fan would bash you thats' why WE CHECKED THINGS BEFORE WE SAID OR WROTE THEM DOWN something that people no longer give a fuck to do LEARN FROM THIS BECOME SMARTER FROM IT
@@jacobleetaylor if you're not taking it seriously then you're not a real fan, mate. it's just that simple Now.. Your name i take it is JACOB, right so i said you were a fucking top bloke and i said JACUB IS A TOP BLOKE what would you think ? see mate, you either get it or you don't. if you get it YOU DON'T REPLY WITH A SMART ARSE COMMENT You say THANK YOU and admit your mistake and you change the error IT'S CALLED..........LEARNING FROM YOUR MISTAKES iti's literally a function of evolving as a person You ignore that function ok, Good luck in life see, there's no point having a go at me. You're going to get dumber.. I'm not but at the end of the day don't act like a fan if you don't take it seriously because METAL MATTERS BECAUSE WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY that's why it has survived generations over other music You don't get that do you ? You think i'm just hating LOL.... NO MATE TRYING TO TEACH YOU SOMETHING but you're not hearing it
Was about 2 say Death. The bass on Death was pretty bad ass, especially the latter albums, really technical and unconventional compared to stereotypical bass.
There’s also dudes like Lemmy, Geezer Butler, Les Claypool, Tim Commerford and John Myung, those bands would definitely be a lot different if you couldn’t hear their parts
There is a video of John the fisherman and Jerry was a race car driver without bass and even tho Larry and Tim are amazing, it’s just painful to listen to 😂
I am definitely all for that ! 👍🏻 I had only heard a bit of Cannibal Corpse before now , I liked what I heard but at the time it was on a phone speaker so it wasn’t exactly prime sound to pick out in detail what he’s playing on the bass… But after hearing him play that short pc in Headphones…W😮W Without question… Thanks for pointing him out ! That dude is absolutely ferocious on a bass ! 🤟🏻 ( any idea what track / album that short pc is from ?) Definitely going to be checking them out a lot more even just to hear more of Alex playing bass ! Hell Yeah 🤟🏻He’s Amazing! 😮 I’d love an in depth look / listen to what he’s doing technique wise, using for effects, amps and how he does it ! Incredible Basslines!
Every good band is built like baked good. Bass is the cake. Might might be flashy or stick out, but without cake it’s just a plate of frosting and sprinkles. Bass gives the music body to shape around, like providing Michelangelo with a perfect granite block.
@@nightpilot154honestly I am not even sure. I think the clip is from something that isn’t Cannibal Corpse. Like a jam sesh with some other dudes or something.
Beyond Creation Omnipresent Preception is an ode to Bass. Rivers of Nihil and Protest The Hero also got some good hearable bass and let us not forget Mudvayne
I personally have come to the conclusion that if you grew up with small stereos, cheap car radios, and the like, a big reason people don't hear the bass (as WELL as they should) is because they were used to using tinny, high / mid focused cheap speakers. Manufacturers were skimping hard on adding any kind of proper bass to their systems as classic rock was so dominant and they felt people weren't missing out. They were much more concerned with vocals being buried
I’ve always found the mix of pantera albums, especially vdop and far beyond driven have a good level of bass, like you can hear it and it sort of thickens the sound up
I can hear the bass loud and clear in every one of those examples... It definitely enriches every one of them. And in the Maiden example, it's the bass player that is writing most of the music, so....
That’s typically how it works. If you listen to bands like Black Sabbath, early Metallica and Motörhead you see bass taking lead or at least not just holding down the root but actually taking the reigns from the guitar.
If you play bass you can definitely hear the bass, and Iron Maiden and Megadeth are indeed perfect examples. I definitely couldn't pull the bass part out of things until I'd played with other people live, and even more so recorded songs. Unfortunately if there's a shortcut I sure don't know it, I'd been playing seriously for a solid year before I could immediately identify and quickly play or write out what the bass was doing.
@@PiRXaThat's true these days. When l started in the early nineties, there were very few affordable resources for bass players (especially metal players!) to use. They had half-speed machines to learn guitar solos and some VHS lessons, but they were quite expensive to us high-school kids, even here in the US, l can only imagine how difficult it was for plyers around the world! I'm not trying to sound like an old fart telling people how easy it is today, l'm just glad there is internet, RUclips online lessons etc. so people can start teaching themselves how to play. I give people free lessons when l can, have given away gear, books etc. over the years to younger/newer players. It's not about us, it's about being there to help and encourage the newer players of all ages and genres to learn and keep up the hard work when times are tough and life can be overwhelming, discouraging and it feels impossible to keep moving foreward.
@@lukecharles. Steve DiGiorgio, Sean Malone, John Myung, Lemmy, Billy Sheehan, Les Claypool, Geddy Lee, Alex Webster, Doug Keyser. And that’s just metal bassists, do I have to mention Jaco, John Entwistle, Victor Wooten, Stanley Clarke etc.?
Day 8 of asking for Paul McGuigan’s bass tone of Oasis NOTE: Don’t use Wonderwall as an example because the bassline was actually recorded by Noel Gallagher and not McGuigan. A couple great examples of his bass tone are from the songs Some Might Say and Morning Glory. Thanks!
Every guitarist who can afford it should try out bass if they can, not just metal players. You don't have to be a virtuoso to learn a few riffs or songs and be able to fill in if someone needs you.
I plan on doing that, I tried an Ibanez bass for 200 bucks. Fantastic! They have those slim necks, it feels like an SG neck just longer not like a Fender style bass. The Ibanez are perfect for my weak little guitarist fingers. They look nice too, got them in walnut and bursts and a few nice colours, 190-250€ depending which one. I definetly want one for recording and for fun. Not a good rythm player so I figure becoming a hobby bassist might help. Because you really can't mess up or the entire band will hate you... GSR models like the GSR 180.
Lars in a clearly photoshopped Megadeth shirt is a pretty good meme
Don’t forget him playing a bass
@@ryplay08 behs*
It’s not Photoshopped.
@CrassusCazius yes it is lol don't be gullible.
@@BeaverStateOWSspeaking of gullible…
Songs just sound so thin without bass. Even if you can’t pick it out in a mix, bass influences the feel of the song immensely.
plus unless the bass player is playing in unison, they are adding alot to the harmony
To be fair those songs were mixed with the bass in mind so of course removing the bass track will sound terrrible. Having little to no bass is great for when you want something real harsh and cold like black metal.
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@@Fireglo Even in Black Metal the Bass is pretty essential. Not in every band but check out anything Mayhem, Burzum, Imperium Dekadenz, Carparthian Forest etc. for those bands a lot of times the Bass plays melodic parts alongside the guitars. Fallen is a perfect example for a bm album with great bass lines
And watching it live makes you realize even more how much the bass is adding, since you feel it in your chest
Listening to Iron Maiden without bass is like walking outside with no pants on.
Or being castrated
more like walking outside with no pants and no feet , just bloody stumps to stand on... painful.
Both just feel right.
That's why baby metal should fire the bass player
Fun?
without bass, songs sound like they can blow away in the wind
Without bass, there IS no Iron Maiden!
Absolutely! Up the Irons🤘
I was going to say this exactly
Aluminum maiden
Exactly, Steve Harris' galloping basslines are what made Maiden so diferent and make the songs much bigger sounding.
Steve Harris is a god!!!
Bass is like eyebrows. You never notice it until it's gone
Or until you hear any song with Les Claypool.
😅😅😅
Bass is also like salt in food.
Love this ❤
exactly, and a really good eyebrows isnt even noticeable, but it makes the whole face better
Those old Maiden records are recorded and mixed so well . Greatest metal band ever .
Agree on the first disagree on the second. I prefer JP. And I do think it's a shame Steve now does all the producing and mixing, earlier albums sounded so much better. Like Seventh Son. That record is crystal clear. Anything past BNW has become more and more muddy. Matter of Life and Death really started that sound but the songs were good so it's not too big a problem but on the latest record if you compare Maiden and JP you can very clearly hear which albun was made by a producer. Great guitar player too, saw hin live. Unfortunately Glen couldn't play anymore but Richie is the show anyway. He's like Rhandy Rhoads and Zakk Wylde in one person. Steve has kinda gone the Yngwie way. Do everything yourself, murder anyone who questions anything etc... Yngwie doesn't even have a band. He hires touring musicians and that's it. Records he plays everything. If he still had a singer it could work but he's not a great singer for his music. And he is decent but his music just calls for that high pitched operatic tenor (not unlike Bruce). Göran Edman fit the band so well but of course Yngwie has to piss everyone off.
Webster deserved that shout out..
incredibly underrated
Bass is the glue that holds the drums and guitars together.
Betul banget
Isn't that just glue? 🤯
🤌
Bass is the power.
Motorhead: hold my beer
Hold my dead Lemmy.
Have you heard of primus????
@@gabrielceolato2 no
Motörhead & Primus are both ridiculously good at bass incorporation
Black Sabbath as well
Bass- The most underrated instrument that makes all music better 🤘🏻🤘🏻
yeaaaaah!!!
The bass is one of the main reasons I still love Black Sabbath, and why Geezer Butler is a freaking god.
It's also much easier to hear because the guitar is usually panned right and the bass left do it sounds much like live, with Tony and Geezer on either aide of the drums.
Hearing The Trooper with no bass hurt my soul…
It's like potatoes with no meat
The bass is the balls of the band
and the drums is when they kick you in the balls and they come out your nostrils
Bass and drums are the backbone of the song.
@@StepUpMedia039
i think he agree's but he was trying to say
was that at the tail end of the backbone is obviously.... THE BALLS
and the bass is the balls in that scenario
Exactly 🙏🏻
Well to be fair, and justice still sounded pretty good without bass
Mark Mendoza was the man that made me want to play bass. Then Steve Harris sealed the deal. It was an older metalhead cousin that explained to me what was that sound that I liked... "that is the bass" and got me one to start learning it. Sadly, my cousin passed last December. Thanks for everything and RIP.
Okay, that space effect when the bass cuts off is actually pretty sick…but it will have to come back eventually. Can’t get a hype beat drop without it
Only if Lars Ulrich is in the mixing room
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😂🤣🤣🤣
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The black album called and said it wanted to talk to you about some “bass guitar “ I believe??
Or cliff burton
The question really is: Can you hear the bass in metal over the guitarist's ego.
Depends on band
The worst thing that metal bassists hear is the guitarists saying "...and here's what you play."
Vocalist's ego*
@@willburke5843I've seen that so many times😂
Wat a little gaywad
"Cannibal Corpse's Alex Webster".
He is playing a song from his band Conquering Dystopia here. Kufra at Dusk I believe.
Came here to say this. Insanely good instrumental album.
You gained my respect for listing Alex !! He is a freaking beast. Great call Danny!
In every iron maiden song you can hear the bass Steve Harris wouldn’t have it any other way as he’s in charge
It's more of a team effort now especially with Bruce. Bruce returned because a grovelling Steve Harris offered him a much better deal.
@@Fireglo agreed and besides they’re all old now so not much firing would be happening any time soon or people taking charge more etc
@@jonathanbignall5778 tell that to Judas Priest and Motley Crue
@@Fireglo priest have had a stable lineup for a decade…
Very true! What's also cool is you can hear everyone in the band, but the bass IS very prominent.
A lot of times the reason I hear people saying they can't hear bass in Metal, it's because the bass is often mistaken for part of the guitar line, but yes, bass is audible in Metal more often than it isn't. Hell, some bands like Weedeater and Saint Vitus actually have the bass up louder than the guitars.
Same with electric wizard, bass is loud as fuck, it's awesome.
Yeah doom/sludge/stoner is my main genre and the joke is that the guitar mimics the bass, not the bass mimics the guitar
Well, in Doom Metal bass and guitar tones are usually pretty distinct
That’s true, bass played through an overdrive pedal sounds a lot more like electric guitar than without it.
Couldn't agree more. People tend to mistake low end bass as part of guitar. It is not. On the other end of the spectrum, bands like Beyond Creation or Ne Obliviscaris incorporate bass with unique lines apart from guitar, and it's impossible to not hear it
This is why I love knocked loose. Random breaks for bass solos. But you can hear it big time in maiden even without headphones. That bass riff is so iconic
Trust me bassist, earphone/headset/headphone user always looking for you in every song.
Once you learn how the bass sounds in metal, you realize how wildly important it is to the sound of it.
Nailed it. Once you hear it you’ll never unheard it and miss it when it’s gone
Ugh no... There's a lot of huge albums where you can barely hear the bass... Death metal and black metal is the most brutal form of music and you definitely don't hear bass... Bass is really only needed if you're a funk band and funk sucks
@@666dynomax nailed nothing silly man
@@truthhurts79 I don’t know a nicer way to say this, but you just don’t know what you’re hearing my guy. Cannibal Corpse and Death both have the bass pretty high in the mix, or literally impossible to miss, you probably just think it’s part of the guitar sound.
@@nowhereweareagain not early death... Scream bloody gore, leprosy, spiritual healing... Nope... Black metal and grind core definitely doesn't put bass in the front either, and that's the most brutal form of metal out right now
rob scallon has a really good video discussing how the bass, while not really THAT audible on the surface, is key to the overall tone of the song and how it's produced
Iron maiden you hear more the bass than the others instruments😂
Thats insane that difference
It wouldn't sound that bad if it was actually mixed without bass. Of course simply removing a bass track from a song that was mixed with bass would sound bad. Listen to some early black metal.
@@Fireglo I don't even think they removed the bass track but just eq'd it out, removing also the bass frequencies of the guitars. So all it shows is that you need bass frequencies to sound good, but not that you need the actual bass, let alone if it "gets lost in the mix".
@@emulgatorx pretty sure they just removed the bass track
@@emulgatorxEs fácil de averiguar, solo escucha las canciones...
there is one metal band that always stands out in my mind for putting the bass more at the front and that is mudvayne. The bass in Death blooms is great.
Tool features the bass more than the guitar. Adam just chilling and riffing in Drop D where Justin is taking over the groove.
Black Sabbath had a good clear bass tone a lot of the time
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Jinjer does put the bass in good spot and he also play a big part of the melody most of the songs
There's a lot of alternative metal bands (funk metal, nü metal, and so) where bass has a lot more presence or a different role in comparison to what's usually seen in other metal subgenres. Comes to mind the case of Korn where Fieldy (the bassist) uses the bass as if it was a percussion instrument.
The Bass & Drums are the Backbone of any Great Metal Band.
this is an older vid but laid to rest is an amazing example of bass in metal toned correctly
Y’know you’ve become a bass player when you can hear it without headphones
It was really obvious, even without headphones.
I’m mainly a guitarist for 38 years but also play the bass a bit here and there as well just because it’s really fun to do for a change or even sometimes just to warm up before playing 6 string electric guitar ( I love the low note rumble and it makes playing a guitar with the way smaller strings and shorter neck and smaller fret gaps seem much easier after an hour bass session ! 😄) and I know how important it really is , for me Heavy Metal or any other music really is just not the same without a Fat Behs track holding down the mix. Bass bottom end anchors an already killer track and really fills it in like no other instrument can do ( except maybe and 8-10 string guitar!), it absolutely has to be there … and with a groove thicker than grandma’s gravy if at all possible ! 🤭 Loved the “pic” of Lars in a Megadeth shirt playing Bass! No disrespect to Lars as he is obviously a drummer … but Rob Trujillo ( his guitar playing is awesome as well ! 😊) , Jr. ( David Ellefson ) or even James Lamenzo will absolutely blow him away on bass 😄
Any chance you can do a long form review of Charles Berthoud 😮 and his insane Behs playing as well as some of the techniques he uses ?! 🤔 that dude is flat out incredible! Some of the most killer Bass playing I’ve heard in the last 30 years! so happy to accidentally come across him! ( think where I first heard him was on Jared Dines 2022 shred colab ) Whammy on a Bass was particularly interesting to me as I’ve never heard/ seen anyone else do that yet ! ( I’m sure someone has , but I’ve just never heard it ! ) if anyone does know of some other examples of that ( bass with a whammy ) let me know , I’d absolutely love to hear it ! Thanks 🙏 in advance! 😊
Some new iphones for example can reproduce a very surprising amount of bass. I still heard it with my phone though (which has bad speakers).
I could hear the difference on my android.
@@mikegraphone2736Thanks. Androids tend to get ignored a lot, too many iPhone snobs out there with their tiny cracked screens!
Everyone l know with an iPhone has a cracked screen! I have a Samsung Note 20, protect it (as l have every Android smart phone) with an Otter Box, pay $9 a month for insurance and can get a replacement for $150 (USD).
I'm not rich, but my phones last years and have been dropped/knocked over/fallen out of pockets etc. and are still running, but all the iPhone owners l know have those tiny ones with screens that crack from falling two feet to the ground.
Bass makes metal
Another underrated band where the bass always stood out in the mix to me is Chevelle. Especially their early stuff, monstrous tone!
I just got myself a kick-ass sound system. Finally, after 50 years, I can hear the bass.
Its not music without bass, its just guitar riffs.🍻
The bass on "...And Justice for All,, is really stand out in my opinion. 😂😂
I think they just had the bass track "stand out" of the mixing room entirely. Oof
Thats probably why its "justice for all"
Should do to Lars drum tracks what he does to the Bass - just turn him all the way down until you can just BARELY hear him.
The album still sounds brilliant though tbh
Well to be fair, most of Jason bass lines that were downed to 0, dont had much to the songs. He was following James parts.
Maiden’s Steve Harris’ tone is so clear and so vital to every song, I hear his playing more than the rhythm guitars
I was watching this on my phone, and despite the crappy sound from my phone I could still hear what the bass was playing in these examples.
Dropping the bass is a good effect with in a song but never a permanent choice
All my old favourite metal albums have prominent bass. Love it.
Watching the studio playthrough of Frantic Disembowelment was a mind blowing experience for me
that part that Alex plays is so good!
I've been training my ears to pick out the bass lines in songs cause Iwant to learn someday, and once you get used to it, you can't unhear it
I spend my days listening to Lamb of God trying to pick out the bass lines
You want to learn someday? Start tomorrow ffs.
@@mrc25381 I would if I had a bass/the money to buy one. I'm also putting off getting one until I move out of my parents' because I live in a shoe box and I don't need to add an amp to the list of things that I trip over on a daily basis.
@@mrc25381It takes money, and not everyone lives where they can get an affordable instrument and gear. Bass gear is expensive compared to guitar, and l live in the US and can get (and own) plenty of inexpensive guitars, effects and amps that can be heard over drums and vocals, but bass requires much more than $100 USD to work for a beginner.
Alex Webster's technique is absolutely insane
One of the reasons I love Tool. Paul and Justin are well heard in their mix.
I feel like Testament's bass is pretty audible (which I absolutely love I thunk every band should do that because bass is on top)
The band Crowbar has some incredible bass in their songs
Gaybar is one of the bands
Sludge bands got killer bass
“Lifesblood For The Downtrodden” has the best bass sound/performance of Crowbar’s catalog. Wouldn’t expect anything else with Rex Brown playing on it - his tone is MONSTROUS
one sub-genre where bass can be well heard while also can shine a lot is technical death metal. Obscura and Beyond Creation comes to mind
Makes the most sense since you want to hear every instrument cutting through
Archspire is also really good at showcasing the bass parts
He'll, yeah. Obituary's bass is monstrous.
Geezer and Cliff had some of the greatest bass solos of all time something always about the beginning of NIB that just kicks ass
Hearing them?? During live music, my organs feel them!!
Admittedly, most people can't "hear" the Bass in many songs, but just like you pointed out, everyone notices something is wrong if the Bass suddenly drops out. Now, a Bass player should be able to pick out the Bass in the mix, but we have to train our ears to listen for those low frequencies
I recently got a first press copy of Slipknot’s debut and it surprised me how much clearer you could hear each instrument, especially the bass, compared to the mixes of the album that are more widely available now.
that's mainly because (especially Paul Grays) bass tone was recorded and mixed in a way that would sound raw. This is especially true for their first two records (ST and Iowa), where he would use growly Warwicks (Corvette Std and Thumb). If you listen to the isolated tracks (you can find some for Left Behind for example), you will notice that it's really not what you would expect from most other bands.
Try listening to vinyl, completely different again to CD 🤘😆
@@aussieraideraaron2946 I would but recently I made the switch to CD cause it just wasn’t worth the money and effort needed to get a decent vinyl listening experience. Plus I’m doing a Nu Metal collection and I’m trying to do like an “authentic experience” with it and I like how they would do hidden tracks n shit on CDs.
Sometimes, it's about feeling the bass and not hearing it. Songs just feel thin and different without teh behs.
It's actually a very common issue in a lot of rock music. I hate how the bass is often drowned out by the thud of a bass drum.
Wow,what a change in the sound,bass keeps the driving force behind the tunes
Dave fucking Ellifson 🤘🏻
Now... if you love him
SPELL IT CORRECTLY out of respect
Dave Fucking ELLEFSON
There has always been a rule in metal
If you love the band or the guy
if you put the word FUCKING in front of the name to show your level of love
then raise the horns \m/
YOU BETTER !!! GET THE FUCKING NAME RIGHT
In my day, for this.... You were bashed.
Consider yourself fortunate that you are merely corrected
and that's not a joke.
if we got that wrong, a Megadeth fan would bash you
thats' why WE CHECKED THINGS BEFORE WE SAID OR WROTE THEM DOWN
something that people no longer give a fuck to do
LEARN FROM THIS
BECOME SMARTER FROM IT
Shout out too the guy taking it way to serious 😂
@@jacobleetaylor
if you're not taking it seriously
then you're not a real fan, mate.
it's just that simple
Now.. Your name i take it is JACOB, right
so i said you were a fucking top bloke
and i said
JACUB IS A TOP BLOKE
what would you think ?
see mate, you either get it or you don't.
if you get it
YOU DON'T REPLY WITH A SMART ARSE COMMENT
You say
THANK YOU
and admit your mistake
and you change the error
IT'S CALLED..........LEARNING FROM YOUR MISTAKES
iti's literally a function of evolving as a person
You ignore that function
ok, Good luck in life
see, there's no point having a go at me.
You're going to get dumber.. I'm not
but at the end of the day
don't act like a fan if you don't take it seriously
because METAL MATTERS BECAUSE WE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY
that's why it has survived generations over other music
You don't get that do you ?
You think i'm just hating
LOL.... NO MATE
TRYING TO TEACH YOU SOMETHING
but you're not hearing it
@@jacobleetaylor mustaine's kindred spirit. Perpetually angry 😂
@@user-tm9ho3bm4v 😂 my guy 🤘🏻
Death is another one with really good bass, and Gorguts!
Was about 2 say Death. The bass on Death was pretty bad ass, especially the latter albums, really technical and unconventional compared to stereotypical bass.
Steve freakin DiGiorgio!!!!
You can always hear the magnificence of Steve Harris’ playing in any Maiden tune.
Bass is the center focus of all Rock. It ties together the harmony and the rhythm, acting equally as both. It doesn’t always need to stand out.
There’s also dudes like Lemmy, Geezer Butler, Les Claypool, Tim Commerford and John Myung, those bands would definitely be a lot different if you couldn’t hear their parts
There is a video of John the fisherman and Jerry was a race car driver without bass and even tho Larry and Tim are amazing, it’s just painful to listen to 😂
Claypool is always painful to listen to! 😂
The answer is : YES
Long live Chris Squire
My ears immideatly picked out the bass. Gotta love it.
Periphery does a fantastic job at making the bass not only audible, but sonically pleasing
Day 30 of asking for Alex Webster's (Canibal Corpse) bass tone.
Finally he were mentioned, though.
I am definitely all for that ! 👍🏻 I had only heard a bit of Cannibal Corpse before now , I liked what I heard but at the time it was on a phone speaker so it wasn’t exactly prime sound to pick out in detail what he’s playing on the bass… But after hearing him play that short pc in Headphones…W😮W Without question… Thanks for pointing him out ! That dude is absolutely ferocious on a bass ! 🤟🏻 ( any idea what track / album that short pc is from ?) Definitely going to be checking them out a lot more even just to hear more of Alex playing bass ! Hell Yeah 🤟🏻He’s Amazing! 😮 I’d love an in depth look / listen to what he’s doing technique wise, using for effects, amps and how he does it ! Incredible Basslines!
meshuggah and archspire and periphery have a shit ton of nasty crispy bass in the mix
"with all the low tuned guitars" *proceeds to play 1 song thats tuned low* yeah all those examples are amazing examples of bass with low tunings
If there is a world of music without the bass in it, i do not want to live in it.
Every good band is built like baked good. Bass is the cake. Might might be flashy or stick out, but without cake it’s just a plate of frosting and sprinkles. Bass gives the music body to shape around, like providing Michelangelo with a perfect granite block.
Iron Maiden is driven by the bass and is the best part !!
It’s not hard to notice when the bass isn’t playing, it’s literally the meat in the song.
Only meat is literally meat
U feel the bass more than u hear it.
I'm watching this video at 1% volume and I can still hear the bass
Excellent shout out to Webster. Dude is a MACHINE
Agreed! I’ve been listening to Cannibal Corpse since I was in high school! Which song was featured in this video? I don’t seem to recognize it!
@@nightpilot154honestly I am not even sure. I think the clip is from something that isn’t Cannibal Corpse. Like a jam sesh with some other dudes or something.
@@DEATHMETALRUST I actually found the video! It’s Alex Webster doing a cover of Kufra at Dusk by Conquering Dystopia!
@nightpilot154 Was just going to say, might be his other band.
Beyond Creation Omnipresent Preception is an ode to Bass. Rivers of Nihil and Protest The Hero also got some good hearable bass and let us not forget Mudvayne
I personally have come to the conclusion that if you grew up with small stereos, cheap car radios, and the like, a big reason people don't hear the bass (as WELL as they should) is because they were used to using tinny, high / mid focused cheap speakers. Manufacturers were skimping hard on adding any kind of proper bass to their systems as classic rock was so dominant and they felt people weren't missing out. They were much more concerned with vocals being buried
Bass is the instrument you barely hear but when It's gone you know something's wrong.
Most of the examples had a lot of bass present in the mix
Alex Webster is a fantastic musician.
Awesome examples!
rex was doing a lot for pantera for sure. he‘s standing out a lot in the mix, especially on „i‘m broken“
Bass is the balls of the song. Why would anyone want to cut it out?
I’ve always found the mix of pantera albums, especially vdop and far beyond driven have a good level of bass, like you can hear it and it sort of thickens the sound up
Without bass rock and metal feels like an underpowered generator during a power cut.
I can hear the bass loud and clear in every one of those examples... It definitely enriches every one of them.
And in the Maiden example, it's the bass player that is writing most of the music, so....
I think in alot of genres to bass guitar, and standard guitar kinda meld together into one sound, because they use similar timbres and tones.
That’s typically how it works. If you listen to bands like Black Sabbath, early Metallica and Motörhead you see bass taking lead or at least not just holding down the root but actually taking the reigns from the guitar.
Yes, this count for all the bass-types
That's why l like to use effects. Use a bit of flanging, phasing, chorus etc to stick out when the guitars drown you out.
Ryan from Mudvayne always sounds great in the band. He is an absolute beast at making his bass lines stand out.
I just found your videos. Made me dig out all my old behs'. Even the 6 string. No, it was not in the garbage
Archspire has amazing such an bassist.
If you play bass you can definitely hear the bass, and Iron Maiden and Megadeth are indeed perfect examples. I definitely couldn't pull the bass part out of things until I'd played with other people live, and even more so recorded songs. Unfortunately if there's a shortcut I sure don't know it, I'd been playing seriously for a solid year before I could immediately identify and quickly play or write out what the bass was doing.
There is (kind of) shortcut. Listen to a lot of (isolated) bass lines. It's a matter of training your brain to recognize it :)
@@PiRXaThat's true these days. When l started in the early nineties, there were very few affordable resources for bass players (especially metal players!) to use. They had half-speed machines to learn guitar solos and some VHS lessons, but they were quite expensive to us high-school kids, even here in the US, l can only imagine how difficult it was for plyers around the world!
I'm not trying to sound like an old fart telling people how easy it is today, l'm just glad there is internet, RUclips online lessons etc. so people can start teaching themselves how to play.
I give people free lessons when l can, have given away gear, books etc. over the years to younger/newer players. It's not about us, it's about being there to help and encourage the newer players of all ages and genres to learn and keep up the hard work when times are tough and life can be overwhelming, discouraging and it feels impossible to keep moving foreward.
Even if you can't make it out, bass is a FEELING
I have a 19" subwoofer with a 1200 watt amp in my trunk.
It makes my whole car vibrate. I really like it.
The best bassists are the ones you can’t hear until their gone. That means they complement the music perfectly.
Steve Harris says you are talking rubbish
Steve Harris is an exception 😂
@@lukecharles. Steve DiGiorgio, Sean Malone, John Myung, Lemmy, Billy Sheehan, Les Claypool, Geddy Lee, Alex Webster, Doug Keyser. And that’s just metal bassists, do I have to mention Jaco, John Entwistle, Victor Wooten, Stanley Clarke etc.?
I really dig Geezer Butler's bass playing.
Geezer's the OG. Imagine N.I.B. with no bass!
Geezer's tone on 13 is GIGANTIC, regardless of what one thinks about that record.
Lars wishes his arms were that long he wouldn't have to stand up to hit some of his symbols 😹
After reading the question, Cannibal Corpse jumped front in. 😅
you dont have to hear bass..you have to feel it
Yeah absolutely! Their wavelength is supposed to penetrate wall and human skins
... but not enough to penetrate melodics part apparently...
@@srrrb5953 lol
Day 8 of asking for Paul McGuigan’s bass tone of Oasis
NOTE: Don’t use Wonderwall as an example because the bassline was actually recorded by Noel Gallagher and not McGuigan. A couple great examples of his bass tone are from the songs Some Might Say and Morning Glory.
Thanks!
Bruh they probably used the exact same bass and setup.
Awesome! You should've included a sample where you cannot really hear the bass in the mix, but still miss when it is removed
Beyond creation, first fragment and many others have a very clear bass
Lifelong guitarist here. Your content has made me want to pick up bass. Such an undervalued instrument in the eyes of some.
Every guitarist who can afford it should try out bass if they can, not just metal players. You don't have to be a virtuoso to learn a few riffs or songs and be able to fill in if someone needs you.
I plan on doing that, I tried an Ibanez bass for 200 bucks. Fantastic! They have those slim necks, it feels like an SG neck just longer not like a Fender style bass. The Ibanez are perfect for my weak little guitarist fingers. They look nice too, got them in walnut and bursts and a few nice colours, 190-250€ depending which one. I definetly want one for recording and for fun. Not a good rythm player so I figure becoming a hobby bassist might help. Because you really can't mess up or the entire band will hate you... GSR models like the GSR 180.