Q&A Live Stream Comparing VMWware to XCP-ng, Proxmox & Alternatives
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
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CHAPTERS:
0:00 - Intro
1:08 - Nutanix Overview
2:39 - Major Industry Shifts
7:01 - Hyper-V Insights
11:04 - Open Source Alternatives for Virtualization
17:46 - Choosing Your Lab Environment
20:09 - Proxmox vs XCP-NG Insights
27:43 - Proxmox Ceph Implementation
28:46 - Ceph Cluster Node Requirements
31:17 - Ceph Networking Explained
32:37 - Proxmox Best Practices & Warnings
34:54 - Alternatives to Proxmox
42:43 - CLI Troubleshooting: Proxmox, XCP-ng, VMware
44:40 - Understanding Thin Provisioning & iSCSI
46:00 - LVM Thin Provisioning Explained
49:10 - Managing Snapshots & Storage Issues
53:37 - UI Design Considerations
58:16 - What About Harvester?
59:13 - XCP-NG Networking Compatibility
1:01:14 - Migrating to XCP-NG from VMware
1:05:50 - XCP-NG Backup Solutions
1:08:02 - Veeam Integration with XCP-NG
1:09:26 - Latest on XCP-NG Blog 
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Proxmox is the King for me. The simplicity and management is like no other. HyperV is junk. Vmware is great if you got big fat wallet.
Just had a meeting with DELL about the future and what hypervisor to use. when I asked for an alternative to vxrail they actually brought up Proxmox as an alternative.
Thanks guys. That was really helpful shedding some light on the business view on xcp-ng.
Please add Veeam support for all hypervisors! XCP-NG seems to be the winner.
Thx for all the content and videos. I just tested a lab setup of Proxmox and I’m now rebuilding into ncp-ng to test it out.
The feature I loved from hyper-v 2012 was vSAN (actual virtual storage (wwn) network).
I run xcp-ng on dell nodes with a 45drives ceph behind it with 10g for both public and private and it works fabulous. Ceph is completely self healing and easy to deploy and manage. I started with a homebuilt ceph with xcp-ng in front of it using nfs and it functioned but failovers didn't exist till I upped my network up to the 10g and 3 45drives nodes. The original was 2 ceph nodes and 2 monitors and split brain is a beast to fix but still even in such a hokey config ceph won me over completely.
I know a lot of companies are seeing large increases in VMWare, but from a CSP point of view, I like the new model of core licensing better than RAM based pricing. In the past, the RAM would be a deal killer on many opportunities. In some cases, the core based licensing is even cheaper. The "retail" price is ~$30/core per month. Yes, It's way expensive compared to Proxmox, but many companies have their entire infrastructure built on VMWare and it's not easy just to switch to something else.
I tend to use them all for different reasons. Though, VMWare is no longer something I am continuing to deploy (expense). That said, over the weekend, I used Proxmox 8.2 to successfully migrate a dying VMWare 6.5 box, and it was -flawless-. The new edition of those tools now in Proxmox 8.2 is really fantastic for the end user.
Tom, have you tried adding an external quorum device to the two-node Proxmox cluster? I haven't tested it, but I suspect that may fix the HA problem you mentioned around the 20 minute mark.
The only way it seems to work is if you add a third Proxmox server.
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haha yes snapshot eating the whole drive is fun
I sent a link along time ago. Zfs over iscsi with truenas and proxmox does offer thin provisioning
Yes, but ZFS over ISCSI is not exactly the same.
Another way is to use (for instance) talos on your hardware, and then things like kubevirt inside that kubernetes.
I'm sorry I missed the Q&A, I wanted to ask Tom: what inspired you to set your hair free recently? 😊
What's wrong with samba in a proxmox vm? AD is hell anyway
He was talking about running it on the proxmox HOST
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26:27 Yeah a lot of young sysadmins make this mistake
Nutanix may get a leg up from Cisco Hyperflex customers moving over.
Having had to use VMWare a few times, I have not been impressed by their interface. I don't find it easy to use. While it runs VMs great, and makes them easy to move between host machines, it's a pain to navigate their interface.
VMWare isn't Linux. They have their own kernel and OS.
Yes, I should have been more specific and accurate that VMkernel is a POSIX-like operating system developed by VMware
Xen Project is Xen
Sorry but okay it’s not open source, but Hyper-V is quiet strong and fully compatible with real backup/pra solutions
Honest question: servers like dell or hpe sell new 1 or 2u full loaded cost ( list price) upward of 50k for a single node. hypothetically if that server has dual socket 32 core a list price cost for VCF solution is 22k ( list)
Let’s say we go with an 8 node consolidated architecture
8 server 400k ( list)
512 core lic vct 179k (list)
So the software solution entitlement is 44% the cost of the server nodes.
much like the example of Cisco, the physical switch is 10K however, in order to unlock all the features, the cost per switch is 27K.
so my question is, is this really unfair or has the community and customer got used to Vmware being under valued? Is hardware truly 54 % better than the software running ontop of it?
mind you many companies are running 90 to 98% of their revenue driving business on top of a hypervisor, mainly Vmware.