I live near the Pramuka Bird Market, and it has been around for years. Sadly, until now I haven't seen any action from the government. Even when I was passing by the market, some of the sellers said that the birds being sold were entrusted by government people.
If the people and government was smart they would protect the birds as a national treasure and resource. Develop breeding programs to sell the birds to the public and other countries and some extra birds released into the wild to restore population over time. Everyone wins then. The climate allows for large aviaries outside or even use islands for breeding different species since it's a island nation with many small islands all over. No predators on small island and food brought in would keep population on island. Could easily farm large populations of rare birds on different small islands. Easy security with radar and satellite for coast guard to come when boat enters restricted zone.
@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep This is what I need, and that's a great idea. It's just that there needs to be a willingness from the community and government for this program to be successful. Did you know that in Indonesia there is a new law that allows cutting down forests, even protected forest areas. It hurts the conservationists, a lot of people, and me.
keeping songbirds in captivity has its cultural roots for hundreds of years especially in Java, taking care of them and listening to their voice gives some calming effect. still, birds are free roaming creature and we should let them be.
I’m glad the focus is to find alternative vocations for these people. Sounds incredibly difficult if the competition is rumored prizes of a house or sports car
Kayak gini nih yg harusnya trending di youtube Indonesia.. Jarang jarang rasanya seeker bahas konservasi alam, di Indonesia lagi ini Btw kalo cucak rowo itu basa enggresnya apa ya? Temenku ada ternak cucak rowo dah sepuluh taun bisa buat biaya kuliahnya tuh
I'm ashamed that I can't do anything for it yet it's everywhere, and I don't understand why they really want to keep it rob their freedom, I'm very embarrassed as an indonesian
START A PETITION, I'm seeing so many commenters here claiming to be Indonesian and wanting the illegal wildlife trade to end but they don't do anything about it. Yes, I realize this endeavour would be much easier with money, fame, and power but it's not impossible. It's better to do something and try rather than just give up, letting these poor birds suffer.
Or you could have licenced breeders and the need for certification to participate in the contest, like for every other animal contest, too. If you want to participate in a dog show and present your dog as breed x, then you need to have the proper certification to show that your dog is indeed breed x. With modern day tech we could do even more and put genetic markers in the eggs of those songbirds, so that they can be tested prior to the competition. No way to cheat on that. There are ways to do these competitions in an animal friendly way. But it's always the government who has to step in first.
@@TylerTron21 Because the majority of livestock farms don't look like the ones activists visit and we eat the meat of the animals living on those farms. Those animals graze on the land openly in many cases which is why the livestock farms take up so much space. *TYPICALLY* the atrocities we wind up seeing take place at processing facilities. While animals who are going to be slaughtered for our food shouldn't be tortured in their final hours they *didn't LIVE like that.* _The comparison is_ *USUALLY* _disingenuous._
I'm gravely concerned about the potential for zoonotic disease transmission in these bird markets when you have dozens of different bird species in such close proximity.
I once kept a few pets that I bought in some market and one of them was a fire salamander. Unfortunately it died after like a few months. If I were to keep pets, I wouldn't be placing them in cages or anything too small, I would instead try my best to replicate their ecosystem or just set them free. I still have my birds but this video convinced me that I should just set them free instead of keeping them in this small, cramped cage they are currently in. I never knew what I was doing is completely wrong for the animals but the Philippines doesn't care.
the thing is people also refuse to let their pet fish swim around in a lake or sea, ...and people who pet ants also refuse to let them walk around on a hill...therefore these bird keepers also refuse to let their pet birds fly in the sky....pidgeon is the exception for this kind of pet
The video did not answer a key question for me in the framework of the problem. Where is the demand for this trade? Is it only the local bird keepers that participate in singing contests? I doubt very much so, Indonesia is an extremely poor country, the locals cannot be the origin of demand in scale necessary for supporting the whole trade. If I would take a wild guess, I would say this trade (which spots the largest wildlife market on the globe) caters to an international demand, mostly from keepers from Europe/UK/US. What is being done to stop this demand? If the conservationists attack only the supply this is a useless effort.
As far as I know mostly from personal research. It is mostly local. Most keep birds as pastime tradition, while some actually do keep it for competitions. It is actually illegal to import out the bird (some do try), so as much as you think Indonesia is poor. There is a history of local industry of bird keeping, breeding and competitions especially if you know or read ancient javanese texts. These guys are not poor, and sadly keeping this birds are investments. People buy the competition winners and breed them and then sell their offsprings. Like they do dogs in the west, most have associations too.
we need to start by ending any kind of competition involving these or any other birds... if you want competitions compete with humans vs humans..leave animals alone, they don't care about our stupid competitions....that way the market for these birds will decrease and they'll be able to be free..
Lol there are many animal competitions in the west. Actually any competition is human vs human. This competition is who have the most ‘beautiful’ singing bird, as he said they actually do breed these animals. These birds are basicly on the border of being domesticated and wild. Unfortunately or fortunately as the economy is develop and the habitat shrink like as you seen in the west. These people will be keeping the genomes alive. As seen domestication is actually a reproductive success for many animals.
the official is the one who behind this operation. im not indonesian but im living in a 3rd world country. U dont need to be a genius to figure it out if u live in a 3rd world country, its the reason why its 3rd world to begin with because of the government like to preserve being 3rd world forever
@@babayada2015 then tell me that a government official is not behind this operation why they can catch those bird and sell them in a bird shop and tag them green ring type on there feet. if government deemed so they can eradicate it. like what the government did to orcas they hunt them to extinction i can show you a document about it since i dont know world politic kid. also living in a 3rd world is not something to brag but to be ashamed of because of the government.
@Ryo Veda P i dont know about your country but its your problem but the fact is the fact the song bird is decreasing. your country your problem since i have 0 knowledge to your country hope u guys stop those poacher and not end up like dodobirds.
It certainly comes naturally to scorn the trappers and co. But maybe we are as out in our criticism as we would be if investment bankers were in the West targeted for rebuke. After all, they can and often do wrought greater and more farther reaching damages in their pursuit of a vaguely defined 'more', than does any black market bird operator. Selfish and myopic greed can be more or less manifest, but wherever present, we should expect corruption.
One day I'm gonna make a lot of money and go to these places and buy all of them and buy a big forest and cage the whole forest and release all of the birds in that caged forest the forest is actually to stop people from getting in them
I live near the Pramuka Bird Market, and it has been around for years. Sadly, until now I haven't seen any action from the government. Even when I was passing by the market, some of the sellers said that the birds being sold were entrusted by government people.
Who buys these birds? What is the demographic? Locals or also foreigners from developed countries?
It was supported as local culture sadly.... As fellow Indonesian, yes, this also saddens me
@@salgadovalerio if it's being sold in 3rd world countries, it's probably people abroad or wealthy ppl in general buying them
If the people and government was smart they would protect the birds as a national treasure and resource. Develop breeding programs to sell the birds to the public and other countries and some extra birds released into the wild to restore population over time. Everyone wins then. The climate allows for large aviaries outside or even use islands for breeding different species since it's a island nation with many small islands all over. No predators on small island and food brought in would keep population on island. Could easily farm large populations of rare birds on different small islands. Easy security with radar and satellite for coast guard to come when boat enters restricted zone.
@@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep This is what I need, and that's a great idea. It's just that there needs to be a willingness from the community and government for this program to be successful. Did you know that in Indonesia there is a new law that allows cutting down forests, even protected forest areas. It hurts the conservationists, a lot of people, and me.
Imagine a morning without hearing birds chirping outside our windows 😓
It will be a terrifying experience for me
Gruesome
keeping songbirds in captivity has its cultural roots for hundreds of years especially in Java, taking care of them and listening to their voice gives some calming effect.
still, birds are free roaming creature and we should let them be.
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The new animation at the end of the video is extremely beautiful.
I’m glad the focus is to find alternative vocations for these people. Sounds incredibly difficult if the competition is rumored prizes of a house or sports car
Kayak gini nih yg harusnya trending di youtube Indonesia.. Jarang jarang rasanya seeker bahas konservasi alam, di Indonesia lagi ini
Btw kalo cucak rowo itu basa enggresnya apa ya? Temenku ada ternak cucak rowo dah sepuluh taun bisa buat biaya kuliahnya tuh
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That little birdie at 0:24 that was tied up and trying to peck off the string it was tied up with, so sad 😢
what a beauty, but I think it would be better if they lived in freedom
Obviously... ?!?
Cows pigs and chickens would love to live in freedom too.
@@KeepaSkateboard you too
I'm ashamed that I can't do anything for it yet it's everywhere, and I don't understand why they really want to keep it rob their freedom, I'm very embarrassed as an indonesian
Profit, and yes if u don't have wealth u cant do anything about it ( yes I'm indonesian too)
Same
if you raise a bird like a chicken, they will simply fly away
START A PETITION, I'm seeing so many commenters here claiming to be Indonesian and wanting the illegal wildlife trade to end but they don't do anything about it. Yes, I realize this endeavour would be much easier with money, fame, and power but it's not impossible. It's better to do something and try rather than just give up, letting these poor birds suffer.
@@nonothingnever well, if that can work we ald do it (Indonesia have an unique law)
And people still promotes these buying them..it's literally cage to cage for them
there is a lot of money here,
I have an indon friend,
earns about $60k a month from hunting birds.
@@digitalnation2876 It's very sad,,, hunting, climate change,, everything has resulted in drop of their population.
@@harikrishnan.s719 Sadly it's all about the Money....
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Oh hey, new logo! Nice. Glad the content quality was not affected
First step: "STOP THE BIRD SINGING COMPETITION"
Or you could have licenced breeders and the need for certification to participate in the contest, like for every other animal contest, too. If you want to participate in a dog show and present your dog as breed x, then you need to have the proper certification to show that your dog is indeed breed x.
With modern day tech we could do even more and put genetic markers in the eggs of those songbirds, so that they can be tested prior to the competition. No way to cheat on that.
There are ways to do these competitions in an animal friendly way. But it's always the government who has to step in first.
Don’t be a Hypocrite protect all animals. Cows pigs and chickens
Sky became silent
Land bacame silent
Water became silent
A time will come when earth will become silent
Mars : "but don't you guys love that photo of my lands"
I wouldn’t buy one but might consider after watching this video... nice to see you trying to preserve the species
Birds have wings pls let them fly
@@TylerTron21
Because the majority of livestock farms don't look like the ones activists visit and we eat the meat of the animals living on those farms. Those animals graze on the land openly in many cases which is why the livestock farms take up so much space. *TYPICALLY* the atrocities we wind up seeing take place at processing facilities. While animals who are going to be slaughtered for our food shouldn't be tortured in their final hours they *didn't LIVE like that.*
_The comparison is_ *USUALLY* _disingenuous._
Last time I was this early, that beautiful profile pic still there....
Great wrk guys thank you
any one know what that bird at 2:01 is ?
Great video
I'm gravely concerned about the potential for zoonotic disease transmission in these bird markets when you have dozens of different bird species in such close proximity.
My uncle is keeping a few, I never thought much about it, but this vid makes me sad for those birds.
Sangat menyedihkan liat burung seperti itu.
Wonderful piece
Wow! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
I once kept a few pets that I bought in some market and one of them was a fire salamander. Unfortunately it died after like a few months. If I were to keep pets, I wouldn't be placing them in cages or anything too small, I would instead try my best to replicate their ecosystem or just set them free. I still have my birds but this video convinced me that I should just set them free instead of keeping them in this small, cramped cage they are currently in. I never knew what I was doing is completely wrong for the animals but the Philippines doesn't care.
I love bird market
Nice video.
We Like 👍 it
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Birds belong in the skies, not in your living room!
I hope someone will set all of them free, I feel sorry for every trapped bird...
Little children are trafficked all over there, so why would they care about birds? Some cultures value life less than others.
Nothing should be caged.
the thing is people also refuse to let their pet fish swim around in a lake or sea, ...and people who pet ants also refuse to let them walk around on a hill...therefore these bird keepers also refuse to let their pet birds fly in the sky....pidgeon is the exception for this kind of pet
There's no exception for keeping any vertebrates in small confined areas at all, not even pigeons.
Am buying one now soo cool
@@trtworld6737 how About you invest with me
Put all of these people in cages and feed them as long as they sing non stop.
Asia doing what Asia does best.
Nice logo
They deserve to fly free, not in the cage🙁
Damn, my father once had one of them
Someone's icon had a makeover
The video did not answer a key question for me in the framework of the problem. Where is the demand for this trade? Is it only the local bird keepers that participate in singing contests? I doubt very much so, Indonesia is an extremely poor country, the locals cannot be the origin of demand in scale necessary for supporting the whole trade. If I would take a wild guess, I would say this trade (which spots the largest wildlife market on the globe) caters to an international demand, mostly from keepers from Europe/UK/US. What is being done to stop this demand? If the conservationists attack only the supply this is a useless effort.
As far as I know mostly from personal research. It is mostly local. Most keep birds as pastime tradition, while some actually do keep it for competitions. It is actually illegal to import out the bird (some do try), so as much as you think Indonesia is poor. There is a history of local industry of bird keeping, breeding and competitions especially if you know or read ancient javanese texts. These guys are not poor, and sadly keeping this birds are investments. People buy the competition winners and breed them and then sell their offsprings. Like they do dogs in the west, most have associations too.
Barbaric and despicable 🤬
These people do it bc they are poor
*Majority of buyers come from singapore.*
Poor bird
Gue termasuk orang kampung minoritas yang menganggap burung lebih enak didengar jika di pohon..bukan di kandang. Liat burung di kandang malah depresi.
Nyekit2 suarae kyk ngerintih
Humanity is the root of all the problems.
I kinda want to release a couple hadedas into those markets.
Seriously tho, this isn’t nice seeing these birds like this.
Why your channel is getting less views?????
Just reply
we need to start by ending any kind of competition involving these or any other birds... if you want competitions compete with humans vs humans..leave animals alone, they don't care about our stupid competitions....that way the market for these birds will decrease and they'll be able to be free..
Lol there are many animal competitions in the west. Actually any competition is human vs human. This competition is who have the most ‘beautiful’ singing bird, as he said they actually do breed these animals. These birds are basicly on the border of being domesticated and wild.
Unfortunately or fortunately as the economy is develop and the habitat shrink like as you seen in the west. These people will be keeping the genomes alive. As seen domestication is actually a reproductive success for many animals.
New design looking sleek!!
Wide open… in front of the government…
And a country full of anti wildlife….why go there?
Those who throw the contest should be fined
Seeker change the logo of it ☺️☺️
Would be easy to dismiss them as bastards, yet unfortunately when you are poor, conservation of the environment takes the back seat.
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Why isn't Indonesia legislating aginst these obvious extinctions.
These babies need to be taken home and released asap
Volume too low!
In 2020 lockdown everybody is a 🐦
WTF
WHY SELLING WOODPECKERS
The government needs to crack down on these poachers and the poachers needs to get re-educated and learn new skill to feed themselves.
Need to push the government to stop these markets!!
Wow we need to protect them and if anything breed em so theres more
Be bird watcher reather than being bird keeper 🙏🏼
Don’t forget to be a cow watcher a pig watcher and a chicken watcher. Humans(hypocrisy)
@@KeepaSkateboard birds are not domesticated species. These birds are wild species, not built as pets.
Beauty is a curse.
WHY do the destroy ecosistoms
I pretty sure i saw birds from south texas
Why their goverment didn do anything?are they scared?
the official is the one who behind this operation. im not indonesian but im living in a 3rd world country. U dont need to be a genius to figure it out if u live in a 3rd world country, its the reason why its 3rd world to begin with because of the government like to preserve being 3rd world forever
@@babayada2015 i basically live in a 3rd world country we wish we live in a 1st world country.
@@babayada2015 then tell me that a government official is not behind this operation why they can catch those bird and sell them in a bird shop and tag them green ring type on there feet. if government deemed so they can eradicate it. like what the government did to orcas they hunt them to extinction i can show you a document about it since i dont know world politic kid. also living in a 3rd world is not something to brag but to be ashamed of because of the government.
@Ryo Veda P i dont know about your country but its your problem but the fact is the fact the song bird is decreasing. your country your problem since i have 0 knowledge to your country hope u guys stop those poacher and not end up like dodobirds.
@@poporikishin4922 As much as the birds are endangered. They are not seen as pests like the dodo. So no they will not ends up like dodo.
It certainly comes naturally to scorn the trappers and co. But maybe we are as out in our criticism as we would be if investment bankers were in the West targeted for rebuke. After all, they can and often do wrought greater and more farther reaching damages in their pursuit of a vaguely defined 'more', than does any black market bird operator. Selfish and myopic greed can be more or less manifest, but wherever present, we should expect corruption.
Average bird enthusiast
Bring them internet and they'll be occupied by more bird-safe idiocy
So... who buys the birds???
Time for sequel to RIO and Angry Birds
The birds are beautiful, but why do you guys have that new profile picture. I at least liked the former better.
🧐🤔
depressing!!!
Potential new pandemic outbreak in Indonesia.
Inchresting new logo
One day I'm gonna make a lot of money and go to these places and buy all of them and buy a big forest and cage the whole forest and release all of the birds in that caged forest the forest is actually to stop people from getting in them
Hi
We really are the worst
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Duet song in night club
New logo is terrible
. Aq dari indonesia
Talk about embarrasement
First like
Sanctions
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Punahhutan
My initial thoughts, having not seen the video yet is "who bloody cares?"
Everyone should.
You either care about animals or you don't, I guess. I give a rat's you know what given all of the human problems we have going on in the world.
We are the problem mate. If ya can’t see that you’re just adding to the problem, open your eyes
@@harrycameron-wade4029 agreed,