I have this machine. It has a standard pump pressure of 12 bar out of the box which needs dialing back. I noticed you cut from showing the profile gauge as it ramped up. La Pavoni won't acknowledge the issue and you need to open the machine up and wind back the pressure release valve yourself to 8 bar.
@@SaarWexler my machine repair guy did the adjustment. He just screwed out the pressure relief valve until the the front profile gauge read 9 bar with his testing gauge on. Coffee has been spot on since. Prior to adjusting I could only ever get the perfect ratio at 12 bar. Apparently there is a step by step guide on one of the coffee forums as everyone uas this issue, I'll try find it and post.
Hi there. Thanks for the video. I just bought this machine and obviously want to replace the plastic tamp. Can you tell me what the best size is? The plastic one is 51mm on one side and 54mm on the other but it seems like you could get away with a bigger one for a tighter fit…
Yes - Look for a 58mm tamp - even ideally a 58.4mm tamp. The later usually costing a little bit more - the precision with tamping really does make a huge difference.
Depends on a few things - but these machines - fairly simple hot water boilers - there's a few replacement parts over the lifetime - but as long as you use a good filtered water - easily 10-15 years.
That's helpful, thank you. Trying to decide whether to replace my life expired Sage barista express with the same, or to go for a La Pavoni Cellini.@@AlternativeBrewing
Yes this is true - there's some rich history here for sure - it's mostly about Rocket and La Pavoni purchasing divisions of ECM and their Intellectual Property.
I just got my cellini and tried some shots with naked filter but the coffe is almost like gushing out and Messing everything up, is it bcs the pressure is to high?
Grind being too coarse would be my first thought 👍 you can still get a slow&steady extraction at 10-12 bars pressure, see if you can grind finer ti slow the shot
Thank you so much for the answer, i tried again later same day and it didn’t happen, i cant really say What was the problem bcs i think i did the steps right with the grind lvl and amount, however i saw in the manual later that i should have released some pressure through the streamer before first use and that i didn’t do when i had the issue. Still not sure if that was the problem though 😅
I have the same problem, I released the air before using it. And use finest grind coffee but it still water gushing out, is it something wrong, should I contact retailer?
The La Pavoni Botticelli Dual Boiler machine leaked at the first start, the pump did not show working pressure. It is so beautiful, the buttons are on, but it is completely useless and flows quietly. Purchased as a gift, did not include 15 days, got to the warranty repair. Warranty repairs performed by LLC "Kitchen Time" (seller) and LLC "SMEG Russia" (supplier) turned into a nightmare - the machine was taken away and there was no information for 12 days. Gave phone numbers of 3 (three) authorized centers. The first one immediately took the car, there is no more information about its fate. They promise to clarify and call back. Maybe they clarify, but they don’t call back, next time - again a promise to clarify.
Sorry to comment on such an old post, but any chance I can ask how many grams of coffee you used in the 2 cup basket? Also what was the weight of your final extraction? Just want to see how close your figures are to mine thanks 🙂
@@AlternativeBrewing Thanks so much for the response! I am still learning the machine and was at 22g with 45g out, the old 1:2 system, so wasn't far off yours 😊My crema doesn't look anywhere near as sexy as yours, so still some work to do 🙂
Very late but is this machine very high class? Like does it make as good as a espresso shot as in a good barista if you do it the right way? Honestly I currently just have a nespresso and fell so in love with coffe that I finally want some decent coffe and I’m considering this machine
As a fellow aficionado I would suggest you to start with a less expensive model, unless for you money is not an issue at all, in that case could you buy one for me too? Jokes aside my suggestion comes from the fact that you can make a very good expresso even with cheaper machines and you wouldn't appreciate fully the features in a mchine like this if you never tried to make some coffe with a simpler one if it makes sense, then if you notice you are missing something go for the upgrade. By the way the only difference with a commercial machine is if you make many back to back shots and in thermal stability across them
Out of the box mine was at 14 bars of pressure, might be worth mentioning the next time you review a machine, wish you all the best@@AlternativeBrewing
Nice review, why do I enjoy watching reviews, nerdy I guess 😁. Disappointed that it does not have a PID, IMO in a modern e61 group head it's a must. Plus preinfusion control, you are now seeing it in less expensive machines, no excuse.
@@emil_k pid is good but for a single boiler/double boiler design HX machines can live without it It's helpful, especially when you want fine tune the temperature of the boiler, but most part will need a cooling flush The first e61 machine that doesn't need a flush is Lelit Mara X, but if you want to heavily use the machine, you must turn it at steam priority mode, if not you must wait much time for back to back shots There are other HX machines that don't need a flush at all, but that don't have e61 group
Alternative Brewing - Assuming one has the knowledge, beans, grinder, and water, how is the product this machine produces vs say your 'favorite' espresso shop? I'm looking for the big bump up to a 'real' machine, but this one is clearly described by the manufacturer as 'semi' professional, despite the not low price tag. Also the filters and baskets look surprisingly chintzy, similar to ones that came with the entry level machines I've wasted my money on. They don't look particularly heavy duty - but appearances can decieve. Be delighted if you happen to see my question. Great video.
Hey there, trying to find a video on how to best clean the La Pavoni Cellini machine, and which are the best cleaning tablets to use? Any guidance is much appreciated!
Hi there! Thanks for your question. I would use a Cafetto powder over any tablets tbh. So EVO is the one a majority of commercial cafes use and it's excellent at backflushing espresso machines. alternativebrewing.com.au/products/cafetto-evo-machine-cleaner
It uses brass. That is a no-no for the kind of asking price. It should use 18/10 ss. If you are going to drink from it for the 10 years, prepare to have a lead clogged liver...
I'm starting to think all these machines are just like wheels, and the manufacturers are trying desperately to convince us their wheel is somehow so much more of a wheel than their competitor's wheel. More round and wheel (ish). It's seems like it's a big giant scam like vacuum cleaners of the 70's, and cheap knife sets. It's tiring.
I can see where you're coming from. Certainly there's a divide between Single Boilers versus Heat Exchangers and Dual Boilers (i'd place these together) - and a budget assists in knowing what you can get for your money. Though - as you say - and many also admit - they're just pressurised kettles - and you can add as many bobs and whistles as you like - 95% of them will make a very similar coffee compared to each other. Other things to consider is size of the boiler / power / temperature control - as this will assist in consistency of an espresso and be able to produce back to back coffee quicker. - also - Pumps - it's 95% of them having Vibratory pumps. and the other 5% is Rotary - Rotary is truly better - but you'll easily pay $300-500 or more for the better pump. I wouldn't fixate too much on the pump though and more about the rest mentioned - as well ofc the way it looks.
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Im a chef, loves coffee, im glad i came across your videos, Im off to get a la pavoni cellini classic
Can you do a review on the La Pavoni Cellini Mini?
Is there any with out plastic water tanks? I really wish my water didn’t have to be in plastic.
Hi do you have any instructions on how to put this machine back to 9bars of pressure as mine is at 12 out of the box 🙏
Sounds like it has an OPV that can be adjusted
I'd love to see a review of the La Pavoni Botticelli evo pid machine
ofc there is, make one from steel.
I have this machine. It has a standard pump pressure of 12 bar out of the box which needs dialing back. I noticed you cut from showing the profile gauge as it ramped up. La Pavoni won't acknowledge the issue and you need to open the machine up and wind back the pressure release valve yourself to 8 bar.
Can you attach some video of how to do that?
@@SaarWexler my machine repair guy did the adjustment. He just screwed out the pressure relief valve until the the front profile gauge read 9 bar with his testing gauge on. Coffee has been spot on since. Prior to adjusting I could only ever get the perfect ratio at 12 bar. Apparently there is a step by step guide on one of the coffee forums as everyone uas this issue, I'll try find it and post.
did you find this? having the same issue now
i had 14 abrs out of the box, now its fixed
Sorry mate. Can't find it. @@karlantonostevind5030
Hi there. Thanks for the video. I just bought this machine and obviously want to replace the plastic tamp. Can you tell me what the best size is? The plastic one is 51mm on one side and 54mm on the other but it seems like you could get away with a bigger one for a tighter fit…
Yes - Look for a 58mm tamp - even ideally a 58.4mm tamp. The later usually costing a little bit more - the precision with tamping really does make a huge difference.
Excellent review. Thanks. What is the typical lifespan in years of this machine?
Depends on a few things - but these machines - fairly simple hot water boilers - there's a few replacement parts over the lifetime - but as long as you use a good filtered water - easily 10-15 years.
That's helpful, thank you. Trying to decide whether to replace my life expired Sage barista express with the same, or to go for a La Pavoni Cellini.@@AlternativeBrewing
@@paulbarrett9834 Isn't the sage massively less expensive?
What is the relationship between La Pavoni, Rocket and ECM? All have/had this exact same Cellini model.
Yes this is true - there's some rich history here for sure - it's mostly about Rocket and La Pavoni purchasing divisions of ECM and their Intellectual Property.
Hi, my drip try is so wobbly. Does it just seat on the rack or needs to be tucked in. How do I secure it?
I believe it needs to be tucked in 👌
Thanks for the video. Does this machine include a grinder?
THanks so much. No it does not unfortunately
@@AlternativeBrewing thanks a lot!
Isn’t a dual boiler and can the machine brewing coffee and steaming milk together :o ??? Or something I don’t see ? Thanks :)
Is this a Lelit rebrand?
No - more like a ECM/Rocket clone 😂
I just got my cellini and tried some shots with naked filter but the coffe is almost like gushing out and Messing everything up, is it bcs the pressure is to high?
Im using cellini and grinded almost at finest setting
Grind being too coarse would be my first thought 👍 you can still get a slow&steady extraction at 10-12 bars pressure, see if you can grind finer ti slow the shot
Thank you so much for the answer, i tried again later same day and it didn’t happen, i cant really say What was the problem bcs i think i did the steps right with the grind lvl and amount, however i saw in the manual later that i should have released some pressure through the streamer before first use and that i didn’t do when i had the issue. Still not sure if that was the problem though 😅
I have the same problem, I released the air before using it. And use finest grind coffee but it still water gushing out, is it something wrong, should I contact retailer?
The La Pavoni Botticelli Dual Boiler machine leaked at the first start, the pump did not show working pressure. It is so beautiful, the buttons are on, but it is completely useless and flows quietly. Purchased as a gift, did not include 15 days, got to the warranty repair. Warranty repairs performed by LLC "Kitchen Time" (seller) and LLC "SMEG Russia" (supplier) turned into a nightmare - the machine was taken away and there was no information for 12 days. Gave phone numbers of 3 (three) authorized centers. The first one immediately took the car, there is no more information about its fate. They promise to clarify and call back. Maybe they clarify, but they don’t call back, next time - again a promise to clarify.
Sorry to comment on such an old post, but any chance I can ask how many grams of coffee you used in the 2 cup basket? Also what was the weight of your final extraction? Just want to see how close your figures are to mine thanks 🙂
No worries! I'm usually using 18-20g and brewing 36-40g out.
@@AlternativeBrewing Thanks so much for the response! I am still learning the machine and was at 22g with 45g out, the old 1:2 system, so wasn't far off yours 😊My crema doesn't look anywhere near as sexy as yours, so still some work to do 🙂
Notice the brew pressure drop when the steam tap is turned on at 2:44 ?
There was a moment there - I ran out of water :(
We have just bought one of these and it leaks! Seems to be related to fit of water tank. Any advice?
Best contact whoever you bought it from 👌
Another great vid! How is it that I’ve just found this channel? Thankfully I have.
Welcome aboard!
Very late but is this machine very high class? Like does it make as good as a espresso shot as in a good barista if you do it the right way?
Honestly I currently just have a nespresso and fell so in love with coffe that I finally want some decent coffe and I’m considering this machine
As a fellow aficionado I would suggest you to start with a less expensive model, unless for you money is not an issue at all, in that case could you buy one for me too? Jokes aside my suggestion comes from the fact that you can make a very good expresso even with cheaper machines and you wouldn't appreciate fully the features in a mchine like this if you never tried to make some coffe with a simpler one if it makes sense, then if you notice you are missing something go for the upgrade. By the way the only difference with a commercial machine is if you make many back to back shots and in thermal stability across them
Do these still have the pressure issue and need to be dialed back to 9 BAR? Cheers mate
Yes. 👌 It is best to for sure. Out of the box, they're above this 9bar standard
Out of the box mine was at 14 bars of pressure, might be worth mentioning the next time you review a machine, wish you all the best@@AlternativeBrewing
Hi do you have any instructions on dialing this machine back to 9bar thanks 🙏
Josh can u post earlier too late for another coffee i had 4 already and need to sleep and you’re enticing for another one mate 😂
Nice review, why do I enjoy watching reviews, nerdy I guess 😁. Disappointed that it does not have a PID, IMO in a modern e61 group head it's a must. Plus preinfusion control, you are now seeing it in less expensive machines, no excuse.
It's a HX, can live without pid
You only have to learn how to use it, which means cooling flush
Pid will not give you better coffee by itself
@@After_GF my shots are better when I can adjust the temp depending on roast level. In this price range PID is common and so is flow control.
@@emil_k pid is good but for a single boiler/double boiler design
HX machines can live without it
It's helpful, especially when you want fine tune the temperature of the boiler, but most part will need a cooling flush
The first e61 machine that doesn't need a flush is Lelit Mara X, but if you want to heavily use the machine, you must turn it at steam priority mode, if not you must wait much time for back to back shots
There are other HX machines that don't need a flush at all, but that don't have e61 group
Alternative Brewing - Assuming one has the knowledge, beans, grinder, and water, how is the product this machine produces vs say your 'favorite' espresso shop?
I'm looking for the big bump up to a 'real' machine, but this one is clearly described by the manufacturer as 'semi' professional, despite the not low price tag. Also the filters and baskets look surprisingly chintzy, similar to ones that came with the entry level machines I've wasted my money on. They don't look particularly heavy duty - but appearances can decieve.
Be delighted if you happen to see my question.
Great video.
Given the right motivations this machine could ruin cafe bought coffee for good 😅
@@AlternativeBrewing I better go with the JURA, LOL.
1500€ machine with plastic tamper and no pid in 2024 is just nuts
What would you recommend?
@@ozziejim8472 MaraX and Silvia Pro X around 1,5k mark. Under 1k Profitec Go
Hey there, trying to find a video on how to best clean the La Pavoni Cellini machine, and which are the best cleaning tablets to use? Any guidance is much appreciated!
Hi there! Thanks for your question. I would use a Cafetto powder over any tablets tbh. So EVO is the one a majority of commercial cafes use and it's excellent at backflushing espresso machines. alternativebrewing.com.au/products/cafetto-evo-machine-cleaner
at this cost, it should have been rotary pump, not vibration
It uses brass. That is a no-no for the kind of asking price. It should use 18/10 ss. If you are going to drink from it for the 10 years, prepare to have a lead clogged liver...
El que no apoya no... 😂😂😂
Compared to the Rancilio Silva Pro this is overpriced imo.The Silva is cheaper despite having twin boilers and PID temp control.
I'm starting to think all these machines are just like wheels, and the manufacturers are trying desperately to convince us their wheel is somehow so much more of a wheel than their competitor's wheel. More round and wheel (ish). It's seems like it's a big giant scam like vacuum cleaners of the 70's, and cheap knife sets. It's tiring.
I can see where you're coming from. Certainly there's a divide between Single Boilers versus Heat Exchangers and Dual Boilers (i'd place these together) - and a budget assists in knowing what you can get for your money. Though - as you say - and many also admit - they're just pressurised kettles - and you can add as many bobs and whistles as you like - 95% of them will make a very similar coffee compared to each other. Other things to consider is size of the boiler / power / temperature control - as this will assist in consistency of an espresso and be able to produce back to back coffee quicker. - also - Pumps - it's 95% of them having Vibratory pumps. and the other 5% is Rotary - Rotary is truly better - but you'll easily pay $300-500 or more for the better pump. I wouldn't fixate too much on the pump though and more about the rest mentioned - as well ofc the way it looks.