Percy Jackson Season 1 Episode 3 - TheMythologyGuy discusses
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I've honestly never been a fan of the "Medusa was an innocent victim" version of her story. Especially because that version didn't even come from Greece and yet it's the only version people want to validate these days. I was happy to see it not be used when I read the books and so it was all the more infuriating to see it being used in the show. It's a personal preference for sure but it's just how I feel
I legit saw half the episode 3 and like started scrolling thru insta while it was playing in the background cuz I was like wtf is this shit?? I’m actually so disappointed
well who said that PJO must use the original greek version? it uses the version which fits the theme of the book the best. and medusa being a victim of the gods tantrums certainly fits a lot better than her just being a gorgon.
Ye I don't like it either but I don't think that what rick was going for but to be honest Im not a myth geek I like myths but I don't study them so I can't say anything to elaborate I thought that medusa painted herself as a victim instead of being one the story wasn't told in this episode so I can't be sure
HEAVILY disagree. While this does come from someone who didn't have much opinion on Medusa's story, I feel like this version for the themes established in Riordan's books. He made a series which explored themes of bullying and this version of the story fit SO much better into those themes. If they did this part exactly like the book, it would just be a generic monster fight, whereas here, Both Medusa and the Furies have actual characters and it fits Riordan's world way better. I'm sorry it didn't do it for you, hope next episode changes your mind
The please hold thing also happens in another movie based on a book series
(Captain underpants)
It was mid
It seems implied to me that Medusa's true story is unknown, hence the multiple versions. Medusa says one thing, and Annabeth accuses her of lying. Then Medusa claims Athena's version was a lie. Both Medusa and Athena would naturally want to portray themselves as good guys, so for all we know they both could be lying.
honestly a lot of shows should take the cue that perhaps not all stories are true or that each variation only has a sliver of the truth.
This! Some people don’t understand that Medusa can see herself as the neglected hero of her own story while she’s a villain in someone else’s.
See that’s how I took it.
@@zealeos1744no the oldest story of medusa is her already being a monster all the extra fluff is roman myth
@@durrangodsgrief6503 so no character can ever be given further development? It’s not like this is a historical film changing a real person. This is a tv show based off a book story adapting old mythology into a modern setting making plenty of changes along the way. Let’s not pretend this is problematic.
Personally… I really dont understand how people watched episode 3 and came away thinking Medusa was an innocent victim or anything like that. She’s acts kind at, then tells her version of what happened to her; lures Percy in with her tale and then immediately pivots to “hey I can kill your friends for you” and when we go down to her basement it’s filled with innocent people that she’s murdered… what exactly about that is supposed to redemptive or “innocent victim” it’s very telling that she only keeps the statues of monsters outside, she’s putting up a literal false front. She’s very clearly a villain, sure she had a tragic past but she doesnt do anything to redeem herself. That whole shpeal about “never being bullied again” is thrown completely out the window when we see Uncle Ferdinand’s statue.
Edit: to be clear I’m not super thrilled with the series so far, I’m holding off judgement till the finale because plenty of excellent shows had really rocky beginning ie: Clone Wars show or Gotham. I believe this property has potential.
This!
I kind of personally like this take, but my reason for it is not necessarily because Medusa the victim, but more a victim that became a villain
Yeah I would actually love it if in Disney's PJ universe Medusa was the one that spread the modern Tumblr version of her story in order to confuse and trick demigods.
Sure, but Athena turned her and treated her like a monster. If you get treated like a monster too long, you eventually become one. That’s just how it is, and she may have been an innocent victim before becoming a monster. Like Sally says: ‘’Not everyone who looks like a monster is a monster.’’
Finally someone that actually likes Gotham
Off screen and in interviews they actually have pretty good chemistry.
In this case I think the script and directing is the problem.
They actually feel more like their characters in their interviews.
That doesn't shock me. It's not Rick's fault or the actors' fault...it all comes back to the production staff 😣
Lord i wish the writers went over the script one more time before filming. It can be so clunky and unnatural. The actors are trying to bring life to it but you cant when the lines just dont flow.
Yeah, they seem like good kids just having fun. I think it was rough direction & finding footing.
1000%
I was really sad to see the changes in the bus scene to be honest. The part where Percy desides not to run but to stay and help out his friends even though that would put himself in danger is soooo important. It is the first intance where that part of him, which in the end is his fatal flaw, really comes out in the books.
he has this same chance in medusas house. they split that storyline to both annabeth and percy and both gave them a chance to go back and help their friends. it furthered both of their storylines perfectly and strengthened the trio. don’t know what there is to complain about.
I see what they did and I see how it worked for the show, but honestly I don't think that should have been necessary.
The idea Annabeth would consider, even for the smallest moment, to betray the group feels so alien to me.
The group still comes together and fights together the way it is done in the book. Annabeth and Grover, by sending Percy away, try to protect Percy kind of in the same way he's trying to do when returning.
But overall I feel like the show will not meet my hopes and expectations, they are too high. I love the books and relied so much on them growing up. I find myself finding little moments in the show that are like the books and I love it, but overall the characters seem too different to really enjoy the show as an adaptation.
I will watch it to the end and will have a lot of fun, because it's a good show. But for my Percy Jackson I will stay with the books.😊
They had so many opportunities to show Percy's fatal flaw is loyalty in these episodes and they missed it. The bus instance, they could have gotten him kicked out by him defending Grover when in the principles office.
@@Mary_Studios bro did u not watch episode 3? they had both him and annabeth stay loyal to the group. you’re tripping asf
@@krumelkandis8924 annabeth never considered betraying the group. you didn’t pay any attention 💀. both her and percy dipped when alecto/medusa suggested betraying the group.
Being honest I was thinking the reason he brought Grover was because if he did betray him Percy probably thinks he could take him
that’s what i thought to
Exactly
That...kinda makes it worse 🥲
@@_jpgespecially since Percy's whole thing is loyalty...
yeah i thought like he knew it would be him, i was so confused
I think Percy Jackson would be better as an animated series than a live action
I couldn't agree more, when I first hear about the series been made I truly hopped that was the case.
definitely much less limitation with animation and cheaper. I think animation would provide a good backdrop and for this series it would be much better tbh.
lmao not from any American studio
@@RabbiB0Y they could do a scott pilgrim ,suicide squad or terminator
Yeah dreamworks would make it a great show, or even a movie
My issues:
- None of the fights are allowed any room to breathe. They end through clumsy accidents within seconds, all the while the monsters have full-on conversations with the people they’re trying to kill. What the hell is this change?
- Percy has been written to be so wooden and self-inserty that he might as well just be called “Y/N”. He isn’t allowed to have time to show any emotions about all of these betrayals and attacks. His few snarky lines are said in such a quiet and emotionless way that you almost think they’re being said at a funeral.
- Grover is completely faithless. He lies to Percy constantly and they almost never have any meaningful conversations. I’m told that Grover is Percy’s best friend and that Percy trusts him, but how am I supposed to believe that when Grover is constantly lying to him and when I never get to see them together? They’ve also taken Grover’s entire reason to go on the Quest away, as he wasn’t unconscious when bringing Percy across the Camp boundary and therefore shouldn’t be at risk of having his license request denied by the Council of Cloven Elders. Heck, even the Thalia reveal with Grover is given to Luke and Annabeth and ditched before any meaningful conversations or emotions can be had. By now, we should’ve had at least ONE SCENE of Grover comforting Percy or cheering him up or opening up to him. Instead, I feel like Grover will betray Percy at the end and revive Kronos himself.
- Annabeth is the worst of the three. She’s got this entire show up her butt and has since her first appearance. I’m told that she’s the most formidable demigod alive and that she’s “different” from everyone else. Even the monsters talk her up! Meanwhile, all she ever does is act as stoically as possible and treat Percy like a tool. Book Annabeth was snippy, but she had energy to her and bickered with Percy on equal grounds. In this show, Annabeth is casted as Percy’s superior and the show constantly reminds us of this by making Percy incompetent and making him act like a clueless chump the whole time. They even had Alecto bow to Annabeth by speaking calmly with her as if she was Alecto’s equal, with Annabeth being so scummy as to ponder over betraying Percy. Why is Riordan trying so hard to change such a charismatic and dynamic character into a stoic and angsty Girlboss?
- Despite us being so many episodes in, I still haven’t gotten much insight into who our three main characters are. None of their motives have been adequately explored. Annabeth’s dream to impress her mom and her feelings of being abandoned haven’t been alluded to at all. Haven’t even gotten anything about her seeing Luke as family and loving him. Grover’s insecurity and goal to find Pan hasn’t been touched on. Percy’s loyalty and kindness is basically nonexistent. These are not the characters that I remember.
- Why is Alecto such a big deal in this story? Why was Medusa? Both were low-class monsters who were done away with at the beginning of the quest? They didn’t teach important lessons in the book, and instead were used to develop our protagonists. Maybe if this had been done in the show, I could like it more.
- No humor at all. In a book filled with such charisma and humor, I have yet to see any energy or fun in this story. The best we got was with Dionysus, who I actually liked a lot. He seemed to have energy and he didn’t feel like he was thinking about the Holocaust the entire time he was speaking.
I agree with you so much; the fight sequences are too short and lack good action choreography. The amount of slow walking the villains do while Percy and friends run away looks silly.
All I could think when they had Annabeth put her hat on Medusa before Percy cut her head off was "Well that's one way to save on effects"
They should’ve just gone the animation route in my opinion
Along a similar line of thinking, I thought “that is probably due to Disney censorships”.
I don’t hate that solution (because it is a practical move), it’s just the first thing that stood out.
No, it's because it's on Disney and we can't show a severed head to children! How will they cope?! (read sarcasm)
@@noturbusiness9736 that and BUDGET! money for CGI or a wax doll that doesn't look super fake with the head removed. plus less money spent on the disintegrating effect and on trying to make the front of the head look exactly like Jessica Parker Kennedy or not having the bad green screen effect of Uma Thurman with just her head. Money is just as big a factor as "think of the children."
Not that "think of the children" isn't a big reason, just not the only reason.
My thought was "oop, censorship time". Like, they must have done it because they didn't want to risk their rating by having the visual of a woman be beheaded.
The set designers need a raise for carrying the show fr that casino episode is going to be wild
This comment did not age well lol
@@dirkdingo45321 Frfr outside was cool tho glad we saw it for all of 5 seconds
One thing I will point out about the Furies taking full form in broad daylight, there is a part of the bus scene where a man is trying to get by the Fury and we see that the man can only see her as Mrs. Dodds and it can be put together that this is because of the Mist. However, the scene does go by rather quickly so I understand if a lot of people didn't catch that.
I understand that the mist is hiding them too, even without those little interactions
which I think is also not book accurate as in the book the mist rather changes how monsters etc really look like and don't just show a disguise of that monster, which makes sense, because how are the gonna do this with Mrs O'Leary in the fifth book when she walks through New York? Its not like she has a human form to turn into or anything.. And just turning her into a normal dog doesn't really work out either, because if I remember correctly there were scenes in the book where monsters were disguised by the mist, but mortals still got scared when they saw them. An example could be the bridge scene with the chimera, if I remember correctly.
Ehhh..., the attack on the bus scene in the TV series was still done very weirdly... Like, why didn't any of the other passengers react at all to Annabeth vanishing out of thin air when she put on her Yankees baseball cap in the middle of the aisle? Why didn't any of the passengers react to three kids breaking open a window in the back of the bus and hopping through it instead of just exiting through the front of the bus? Why didn't any of the passengers react to one of the Furies flying in and bursting through a window like a literally missile lol? I mean, The Mist was already a pretty overpowered thing in the original books, but it seems to be even *more* overpowered in the TV series than it was in the original books where it can just make everything completely invisible instead of just warping the appearance of things lol.
@@whattheworldneedsiscreativ6421 I'd say the passengers were distracted while getting off but in the TV series it isn't very clear what's distracting them. I feel like maybe they could have written a way from Annabeth to distract them, but they didn't so I'll admit that the passengers didn't really have a good reason to get off the bus
I thought it was weird that she was sitting on the bus and then they show her walking into the bus
I think with the Medusa thing her saying she got a gift was a way to gain their trust but then when it didn't work she told the truth about it being a curse
Kinda sounds like everyone has a different interpretation of this which sometimes in art is a good thing, but in a children’s show is more akin to bad writing.
Writing novels and writing scripts are 2 different animals I feel
Very much so.
For scripts, it's all about dialogue and stage direction. For novels it's about describing the world and characters and plot with well crafted prose that flows well for readers.
I did a lot of script writing growing up (as a hobby) and in a way it's easier because you don’t have to describe everything and be super precise. But at the same time writing novels gives you full control over how the story is presented. I moved to writing in a novel style and it's hard for me since I have such a visual imagination and it's difficult to put the image into words.
One very relevant point is that you need to give exposition in a very different way in scripts than in novels. Characters spouting exposition is more blatantly bad in shows and movies, in novels I find it less egregious. Or in novels you can just explain it in the prose. But you don't hear prose in a show so a lot of the time it translate into a character spouting the lore relevant to the immediate plot.
Not at all, if you're skilled enough and have done the work you can easily do the translation from point A to point b, from manuscripts to screenplays. The fact that it's not being done well shows that the team isn't very good. Which isn't surprising, because Disney's had a really bad problem with their writing in world building for quite some time now. Far more of an issue in the MCU, but there are a lot of glaring issues. Hopefully things will be solved and filled in over time, but based on marvel and Disney's history I'm not all that optimistic. This is honestly an issue within Hollywood in general with a lot of the writers just not having any real seemingly actual knowledge on how world building or scriptwriting works. I do both and I can tell you it's a lot easier if you know how both work, but someone on this team is not translating this properly.
It's funny when Clive Barker actually made a good adaptation of his own book ( Hellraiser - Hellbound Heart ) when Jk Rowling Stephen King and now Rick Riordan be like ... BrUh
Can confirm
I write a novel but my scripts look like children playing with Dolls lol
Something my scenario writing teacher told me "the medium is the message."
I think the idea behind Medusa was an "all storys are technically right" kinda thing, like when Medusa said it was a gift so she wouldnt be bullied/Athena turned her into a snake way to protect her is what Medusa told herself to project blame onto someone else, maybe she had an unrequited love with poseidon where he was using medusa as a way to get to Athena, maybe medusa was monster to begin with but it was just her soul that was monstrous and Athena decided to bring that truth to light. Summarize, I think its just things Medusa said to herself to make her feel better and people who escaped her grasp spread those things she said around greece and its where all the stories came from
That is how I interpreted it as well. Making lemons into lemonade. Bc from the epsiode, it seems Medusa still does like Athena.
@@realtrini2007
Her head should technicaly be in her shield...
I think this works. I actually liked the Medusa scene even if it differed from the books (and this is coming from someone who read and loved the books from the age of 6 and reread them along with half of Heroes of Olympus earlier this year, also reading the books alongside the show with a friend of mine), it was different, and I see them driving in some minorly different directions with certain aspects of the story, but I think it feeds into the story they're writing really well thus far, and it is in the same spirit of the books.
Medusa is a monster, but she didn't start that way (whether she was horny on main or assaulted in the temple she was still a human being that probably wouldn't eat small children as a pastime), and regardless of what Athena may have intended when she cursed her or what short term effects that may have had (I still think in this version it was a punishment), it's led to nothing but suffering for her and she resents Athena for that. Lying about her views on Athena to Annabeth is an attempt to drive a wedge between her and Percy so she can isolate them.
Also, who, when trying to bait people into a trap through persuasion, wouldn't try to garner sympathy and sew division between their victims? Sure if you take the dialogue at face value it seems confusing, but it's blatantly obvious that she's trying to manipulate these kids into turning on eachother and trying to get them into a position where she can hurt them. Even the honesty about who she is is probably a ploy to gain trust and simultaneously sew dissent among the party. Which worked initially. She's probably been doing this so long that she enjoys this part of the hunt.
Ultimately I think this episode is still part of the setup for the dynamic between the characters, and towards the end of the episode we're starting to see a bit of the payoff. They're trusting eachother more and are beginning to build a strong friendship because now they've not only started to be honest with one another, they've proven that they can resist the temptation to betray eachother and have eachother's backs when it matters.
This episode was a pretty strong improvement over the previous two and, seeing where they might be going with this, I only think that things will get better from here. It will be a little different, and yeah, some scenes need room to breathe, but the spirit of the story is definitely there and I like what I'm seeing thus far.
I can not believe id say this but id prefer the Medusa scene from the movie than the one from this episode, that scene actually had some smart scenes like Percy using the refelection to see medusa rather than him just closing his eyes and just swinging his sword at an invisible medusa. Also they did Medusa's head alot more justice in the movie, like them pretend to hold the invisible head is just cheap, like in the movie you saw the decapitated head, it was a physical prop and it actually looked good
Disney censership probably wouldn't allow that.
I think the movie also did a better job at building up to the Medusa reveal rather than instantly telling you it. But it’s been a while since I’ve read the books or seen the movie so I could be wrong.
It’s a kids show, I guarantee they couldn’t show the head because it’s a Disney kids show
Jeez..., are Disney's censors really *that* bad...? The Lightning Thief movie was rated PG and it still was able to actually show Medusa's decapitated head as a prop. It would've been a much cooler looking kill in the TV series if Annabeth's Yankees baseball cap immediately fell off as soon as Percy cut Medusa's head off and we actually got to see Medusa's decapitated head hit the ground with green slime/blood pouring out of it instead of red blood to keep it PG.
@@whattheworldneedsiscreativ6421 Read some of the stuff that they made Alex Hirsch cut out of Gravity Falls. Yes, they are that bad.
22:23 this version of the story always pisses me of since people who prefer/tell that version generally don’t change how Athena helped Perseus in killing Medusa or sticking her head on her&Zeus' shield after Perseus chopped her head of.
I am fine if you prefer "Medusas curce was Athena's protection" version but you need to change other things too or Athena just comes off as a psyhcopath or at least very inconsistent
I listened to this podcast that used that version of the story and when we got to Perseus’ story, Athena was reluctant to help Perseus off Medusa. But basically she was told to do it because of Zeus or something like that
I think I listened to the same podcast, and the reason she put Medusa's head on her shield was to immortalize her because Athena felt sorry for her.
@@grumpymonk9908 Yep
But she doesn’t use it to protect herself, her basement is filled with innocent people she’s murdered.
I like the version but not more than the others and I certainly would prefer it be made clear that it is neither of the greek versions.
"They have to rush things to fit everything from the books into the series."
Counterpoint: The first three episodes of season 1 cover the entirety of the first eleven chapters of The Lightning Thief. The Lightning Thief has 22 chapters, and season 1 is slated to run for 8 episodes. So essentially, we've covered half the book in a third of allotted time.
I'm just gonna leave this here for people to chew on, draw their own conclusions.
the later chapters are much longer.
I think they will put a lot more Spotlight on the underworld and the Ares fight (at least i Hope so) and the Lotus Casino but Not because that one is most important but only because they wanna have Lin Manuel Miranda on Screen for as long as possible
@@mariannehorn1375I think I would have preferred they did a few more episodes at camp half blood, to develop Percy’s relationship with particularly Luke and their practice sparring. As there lack of shared screen time will negatively affect his double cross at the end
@legacysquid0625 The counterpoint is against one of the things people are using to argue against his criticism of the pacing, not against anything he said.
The 1 friendship I noticed between Grover and Percy was when Grover met him and they spoke about the Greek Mythology card game. Mind you that was a flashback without audio.
And also, Percy never played Mythomagic (but I agree, that it would make sense to have Grover introduce him to the game in order to get him interested in Greek mythology and all that)
@@_jpg It seems like something they could've done before we meet them. Having read chapter 1, yeah it's not mentioned but it's nothing that goes against the characters I think. Yes I an reading the books for the first time now.
@@samurexatlas7373 Gonna be weird when Nico shows up in a later season and 'teaches' Grover about it
I really wish they had more episodes to the season, if they did they may have been able to flesh out the story more, and to let it breathe. Give it about 8 more episodes at an hour an episode and it’d be the length of the audiobook
8 more episodes is a bit overboard. 4 more episodes seems like a better way to go, need an extra episode of percy being at the camp for sure, as far as the rest of the story i can’t speak on it yet but it definitely looks like they’re rushing it & cutting important things out
@@ImIndavyjoneslocker I’m just saying 8 more episodes would equal the length of the audiobook, not that the show should take that route, and yeah more camp time would be ideal, I hope they don’t rush too bad at the lotus hotel episode
I think that medusa saying tha her powers was a gift was either denial or trying to convince percy to end his friendship because she was still mad at the situation. Like ,she don't know that they're not good freinds and percy don't relly care for his father, but i guess she assumed that.
favorite part of the hole ep3 was "more like a pines fate" i laughed way to hard lol
Oooooooooo the intrusive thoughts goin crazy
The scene was funny but it makes Percy all the more uncaring jerky pre-teen that everybody justifiably doesn't like. Percy was never that callous in the books.
@@mimisunshinelove ya your right. it's still funny tho
@@mimisunshineloveHe had similiar thoughts in the book, but he never spoke them our loud. That's a major draw back when you try to potray a character that as as much inner dialoge as Percy on a screen.
good lord i saw i had a like then came back to see 68 likes you people are crazy
I actually wouldn't blame the Auntie M. being medusa thing on Annabeth, more on Grover. He's the one that mentions that whoever it is has to be from their world which in my opinion makes all of them stupid for intentionally going anyway. 90% of things in their world not in camp wants to kill them, but Annabeth being the daughter of Wisdom actually makes sense in this new scenario that she would put it together.
22:23 I think Medusa was lying when she said it was a gift, in the same way a villain stripped of their humanity would lie that their humanity was “holding them back” or in a more related sense, how someone stripped of emotion would try to cover it up with “now I can’t feel sadness or heartache.
Medusa is only saying it’s a gift from a certain point of view. The true intent behind it is doubled down on by Annabeth in the scene, where she says “it WAS a curse”
And Medusa’s behavior towards Annabeth when she isn’t in the room shows she herself doesn’t believe her own lie.
I think there’s a lot your missing in the implications and subtext of the show.
Guess he wants them to do a better job of portraying those sentiments
It could've been justified this way if the acting was halfway decent. The only way I can even begin to like this as as show is by knowing the context from the books and those characters. Like my guy says Emma Watson behaves like Hermione from the books, you look at her and go yea that's Hermione . But this woke casting, no disrespect to the actors of the show, doesn't actually fit the tone of the show. Maybe they were better off doing some other roles
@@kingamc15 I wouldn’t call anything here woke
@@willpotter22 you can call it whatever you want to sir
@@kingamc15 these kids just need some more time together to mesh hopefully the rest of the show portrays that
Honestly, I’m surprised to find someone else who’s also not exactly feeling this show. All of my friends keep gushing about it and their only complaint is that the episodes are too short.
Meanwhile I feel like the best acing is always a bit too fast and I really feel like some of these new additions weren’t really necessary (like Luke explaining the concept of kleios which I don’t believe ever featured in the books).
I’m happy that the general plot line follows the books closer than the movie and I really like Walker’s performance as Percy, but most of the other actors have been a bit of a miss for me. I had especially high hopes for Annabeth’s actress because she’s one of my favorite characters and her romance with Percy is one of my favorite love stories, but I feel like their chemistry needs to improve a lot for me to believe in it.
And it’s a really weird experience because my friends all keep gushing about how great it is and really seem to love it. So I’m left wondering if I just came into this with the wrong mindset or if I set my expectations way too high.
You know when you have to have the girlfriend beside you you know it's bad you have to have that emotional support
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I think now I think but I think that's his wife😅
I thought she was just his best friend. Did he confirm they were together?
Tbh I think they’re trolling. I don’t think they’re together cause they’re trying to sell it to hard. That’s why I think they’re trolling
To be fair, percy and Annabeth didn't had much chemistry prior to after beating Medusa.
So hopefully the chemistry happen after episode 3.
Though yeah, with Grover it's not justifiable how the first 3 were done.
Annabeth and percy still could say they were friends
You're right, but if they're making a series about Percy Jackson as much as the show is about Percy, it's also about Annabeth and percy growing a relationship. Hell HOO is mostly all about Annabeth and Percy relationship growing from just young love to something permanent. So if by the end of the show they don't have that OG Annabeth and Percy chemistry, then there's no point making more season.
@@inviz835 they only really started to get each other when Annabeth talked of her family issues in the van with the animals from what I remember, so we still have some time.
Let's be hopeful, we should have gotten an animated show, but since we didn't, hope in the quality of the Live action show is the only thing we have left.
Saying the first movie was better than the first 3 episodes is fucking astonishing. 😂
It's true
Another thing that you missed to mention about this episode: Percy talks about getting a phone to call camp and ask for help. How do they handle this situation? BY ANNABETH TURNING TO HIM AND SAYING THAT HE IS A COWARD!
Bro like, did they forget that the whole reason they don't use a phone is because it attracts monsters from miles away to their position? This made me so angry and sad because it makes me question if they are going to later use Iris messages or contact the camp at all later.
Yes they are. Heard it in an interview on how they created the color for the message using a bottle of something
yes they did it great. they probably will explain the phone thing later. Annabeth was tired of him not knowing anything. plus percy was scare, that is why he wanted to call camp. And Annabeth noticing this shows how smart she is and how attentive she is to the details
@@saralaita7687lmao, annabeth's entire character is to patiently give knowledge to an ignorant character.
The daughter of wisdom goddess got tired of the person being too ignorant?
L take
@@crewgunnight8987is annabeth a servant or what? she has her own emotions and feeling. she wanted to prove herself in her first quest and percy wanted to give up. of course she got mad
@@saralaita7687 its not called servant, its called friends
One could perhaps say that Annabeth being Athena's daughter and having known and been awear of this world for 5 years would give her the knowledge to instantly put 2 and 2 together (Aunty M+Statues=Madusa), and perhaps expecially so when it's one of the monsters out there who has a grudge against her mother, seeing how in the books Annabeth is well awear that all the spiders finding her aren't just accidental/happenstance. Plus, Madusa is one of the more well known/easily recognisable creatures/monsters, so Annabeth having learned enough from age 7 to 12 to immidetally know from the clues right away isn't too far out there for me. And if the show gets more seasons, we could very well see those "slowly connecting the dots and figuring things out" scenes during the parts of the story where Annabeth isn't with the group, or have her participate during those "connecting the dots" scenes regarding lesser known/popular creatures/monsters.
And the bus and fountain scenes, aren't covering up/obscuring those events for regular people what the mist is there for? How can they react to something when they don't know that anything unuseal is going on? Cause I just assumed that's why they (monsters/creatures) don't mind going after them (the trio) in public. Other monsters/creatures doesn't mind later on in the books/series, so I don't see it as such a "betrayl"/lore-break that the fury doesn't in the show either. Anyway, that's just my two cents on the matter.
100% agreed!!
@@karikim6905i heavily disagree. The whole medusa plot made so much sense in the books. They were tired, hungry, literally just fought furies and are trying to catch a break. Makes so much sense they let their guard down and only grover who can literally fucking smell the monsters was ansty. and medusa's persuasive and sorta luring them so that slowly reveal and build up made for such amazing writing and suspense
The mist just hides the mythical side of things, people would still see this woman attacking children and probably try to stop the fury from doing so. In the show it's like mythical stuff is freaking invisible.
@@Sbittner Mmm. Fair point.
i'm hoping this show acts as a coal engine, being that the farther along it gets, the better it gets, after they find their footing
It's Disney don't get your hopes up
I agree with you, it's the first 3 episodes of the series. The actors are new and young, I have faith that the show will improve sooner or later. I also don't think these first episodes were awesome, but they weren't as bad as this reaction is portraying.
@@MotionofFan every time I have put my faith in a Disney project I have been disappointed
@@jacobbaker5442 I'm not saying I have faith in Disney, I'm not trying say I have faith in the actors improving. Disney has messed up alot lately and I do think they should take a break or something, but that's not gonna stop me from watching it.
it wont. we should have realized that with the poor casting choices but we ought int the script rick read to us and assumed he had say but after this episode im sure he in fact had 0 say in this show
The way this series is going, I'm shuddering to think how the Eragon series will go. I'm just hoping it gets better as it goes. They aren't high hopes, though
Xena, Buffy, charmed, and Supernatural. Four tv show examples of good story, action, and likeable characters throughout the series.
This show should be better😭
Quite honestly, I'm watching your reviews after my own viewings of each episode and on the topic of the Medusa scene, I feel like the movie actually did a much better job of it. Felt better paced, the "fight" was a bit longer, it was less obvious that it was Medusa and the characters had a better sense of urgency about the situation upon realization.
I think what they were trying to do with Medusa is she's a victim of the Gods' authority, Athena punishing her for something Poseidon did and all, but she then decided to use it as a "gift" and "punish" those she thinks deserve it. Like a modern take on the myth that deals with issues similar to it.
She was willing to help the trio, but then Annabeth's pride caused her to victim blame Medusa for the sake of her mother and she turned on Percy for refusing her "help". Like she said, she hates bullies, but her trauma causes her to brand people as "bullies" even if they don't mean to be. Hurt people hurt people and all.
exactly.
Im loving the show so far, and i started reading these books 15 years ago
I’m Loving the show to😊
i really get what he's saying after watching the video, while watching the episode there were two major things bothering me: the exposition and the annabeth/alecto scene. the furies never went after thalia ( at least in my memory). otherwise i like it
@@spacecube1035not perfect by any stretch of the imagination. But I actually like the changes with Annabeth immediately figuring out Medusa’s layer. She was supposed to be the smart one to piece things together. I liked the scene of her using her cap to cover Medusa before killing her. And I felt the chemistry of the trio finally come together at the end of the episode. I think people are overreacting because it’s not an exact one to one adaptation
ik, i'm happy with this show so far. I know it isn't perfect, but getting an adaption that is already so much closer to the books feels so nice, even if some things are different
@@spacecube1035I'm pretty sure its never stated what type of monsters killed Thalia in the movies cyclopes kills her which causes a whole can of worms to happen
One of the Percy Jackson encyclopedia books went into Medusa as what was officially canon to it (from Percy’s pov) and it went into a custom version of the myth where Poseidon seduced Medusa and Athena cursed her, so eh
They do mention that Medusa had been trying to attract Poseidon in for at least some period
I was thrown for a loop when they tried to make Medusa both sinister to empathetic. But I wanted to see this show succeed where the films failed, because I people and me to see the Percy Jackson stories to continue again.
I didn’t think she was meant to be sympathetic from the audences point of view. I think she was meant to either be someone who USED to be sympathetic bus isn’t now or just straight up manipulative. Eesoecially because of the way they set up her basement with the fire and statues and hiw they compared her to Dodds at the end when Percy and Annabeth talk about the deals they were offered.
i honestly really liked the way where medusa and the main cas talked cos in the books its a short microargument which ends with decapitation here her actual opinions are show.
1:46 To be fair blood is 90% water so maybe it was just his inner strength all along….or something I don’t know.
No Percy peed himself so he was wet😅
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 this joka. If that’s the case then Percy should never needs physical contact with water, as he can literally summon the strength from the water within his blood
@@alexanderwagner4095 Not possible considering he took a piss before he fought Clarisse.
@@calebmcclure3893 It’s a stupid suggestion I know but this show isn’t trying to be smart so using stupid logic is better than nothing.
@@metaldragmire8539 mean he pissed his self in the scene shows so he had the boost before the ares camper showed up.
I feel extremely bad for Percy's lack of competence. It is taken away either for an exposition that is proceeded by other characters (Grover telling who Dionysus is instead of Percy figuring it out by himself) or omitted for making a cheap tension scene of "they do not tell him anything". I loved when he figured out what the issue was with the quest (that something was stolen) or that he cannot wear Luke's shoes all by himself not only gives us the evidence that Percy is very good at analyzing information at hand, even if he lacks knowledge, but is also knowing a lot from Greek myths which allows him to use that knowledge in practice. That even though he might not be child of Athena, he has his moments to shine because of his knowledge. But we have yet to see it in the show.
exactly. percy was always my favorite because 1) Poseidon was my favorite even before i read the books 2) he is incredibly intuitive and really good at figuring things out when it matter, and its not always just one of his friends pretty much just letting him tag along, and lastly 3) the character was just enjoyable to read. you could laugh at his jokes, empathize with him, and yet be in awe when he does something cool.
So you wnat a gary stew because raht what he is im the firts books he can just do evething without training he just perfect
@@EmperorDxD what is a gary stew
if u mean mary sue percy jackson is not a mary sue. im fairy sure one point in the books is he is terrible at everything
@@justyourfriendlyneighbourh1268 no he never terrible from the very moment he is good at everything witch was one of the most unrealistic thing ever he never trained but is better then everyone
@@justyourfriendlyneighbourh1268 Gary Stew is a the male equivalent to a Mary Sue
Don't want to sound weird but i am so happy he found a significant other ❤
She's his SO? I'm so happy 💝💝 that's awesome!!
I liked how they actually sent the head with hermis not keep it
Probably because that’s literally what they did in the book
@@loganjoh1 exactly I thought that was good
When you think about it though, makes more sense to keep it. It’s a pretty useful weapon
not like it matters. that's literally such an irrelevant details it doesn't matter. zeus literally sends the head back to him anyways
One issue is that the fights with the monsters feel to easy. Like there’s no tension. Like on the bus, Annabeth just throws her knife and that’s it. Or with Medusa, they put the hat on her and Percy swings his sword and that’s it and what’s up with the censorship?!?! I wanted more high tension fights like the minatour or the Clarisse fight.
it's bc this show is PG, its a kids show which makes sense for a kids book.
Yeah, same in episode 1. The fury attacked and two seconds later, Percy accidentally stabs her
@@All-ze9clthe movie was PG and had not problem showing that.
You know the chemistry could be built up later on
lets hope 🙏🏻
I am 100% with you on this show. It really feels like the vision they have for it is not a "faithful adaptation" but instead a "retelling" which is just not what I'm watching it for. None of the characters feel similar to their book counterparts except for maybe luke and clarisse. There are clear pacing issues, a lot of which stem from scenes that weren't in the books being added. There are clear budgetary and maybe even rating constraint issues as well. The medusa fight really showed this as it was clear they were trying to find a way to kill medusa without having to show the chopped head which is why he doesn't just swing when she's next to him and he knows where she is and why they keep the invisibility hat on her the entire time. The bus scene felt really weird, annabeth gives up the element of surprise which even the narration said was the one advantage they could get, the mortals don't react even to the bus shaking or three kids opening a bus window.
About Annabeth's casting, if her look was the one thing that was problematic about the show version of the character, then we wouldn't have any problems. The problem stems from the fact that her delivery only feels good around twice. Maybe it's because of direction or the new direction they're taking the character, but lines don't feel like they're being delivered how they should in the context of the scene or how book annabeth would deliver them either.
It feels like what we were promised with this show is just not being delivered and it really sucks to see as a percy jackson fan.
I think that the reason that the furies transform in public is the mist
The black cuts are so bad too...
MovieFlame also hates them. I didn't notice them, but I am not a movie/TV person that much.
I thought this verson of Medusa actually fit very well with the story. The whole point of her was to drive some distrust not only into the characters but also into the Gods. And if she really did have a grudge against Annabeth and Athena then its not a bad plan to drive a wedge between them. I think she was lying about her true motive, she clearly wasnt helping the group. She was making them distrust and turn against each other to split them up. I think they cleverly used the different mythologies to oscure the character's motives and to make it seem like it was the Gods at fault, but the truth was that she was just the monster people know her as. Percy's mother might have been wrong about her and the point is that she is the one person that Percy puts absolute faith in, and it steered him wrong. I might be wrong but that's seems to be the angle in this episode. This is supported by her wearing the vale for so long, its meant to hide the character and keep her mysterious. You dont know if she's trustworthy or not.
nah bro grovers got stock home syndrome lol
I really hope we get to see the gods and goddesses reactions to Medusa's head in the next episode.
23:00 also, if you think a few books ahead, we also get the other Gorgons, soooo which myth version is that following? xD
Also, it feels so good to see someone who loves the books so much be actually so critical about the show, because most people who just react to it, are not and I really NEED to see more of this xD
For shame, I think this is the best one
You know why Lord of the Rings is a good adaptation and film(s)? Because it had very little studio involvement. Production companies thought it would flop and it took awhile to even find a studio to take it, so they left it alone and allowed it to be a passion project. And it shows! It also knew what things to keep and what things needed to change to make it work as a movie.
The Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe is a good example of a film that a book fan, like myself, and/or a book purist could take issue with some things in it. (You never ride a Talking Beast unless it's an emergency or they consent, Aslan doesn't give them their titles when they become kings and queens - the Narnians go, etc) But, it hits the major story beats, the characters feel like their book counterparts, and it's fun to watch. The issue with the following films in the series are that the divide between book and film became wider, characters started acting contrary to their counterparts, and eventually, it became "in name only".
What made Annabeth's character ruined for me is that she wasn't aware that Athena might be a terrible person. What make the Demigods in the books complexed and relatable is that they are aware of the terrible things their parents have done yet still strive for their attention and love. It's relatable because there are kids with crappy parents and actively know they are crappy and yet still want to be noticed by them. It's why naruto acted like a punk despite the village treating him badly before because he wanted to be noticed. What makes it worst is that Annabeth was aware of all of the horrible things the gods did because she does the most research. Also they keep saying she's like the best warrior and demigod ever despite not going on any quests and not doing anything besides winning a few years of capture the flag. Like Luke fought a dragon and Heracles is the most notorious monster slayer and bested a god in combat when he was still a demigod. Yet Annabeth is considered the best without actually winning a single fight so far we've seen. And no the medusa thing doesn't count because A. She had help from two people and B. She didn't even kill her Percy did.
Annabeth compared her and Percy's relationship to their parents relationship the entire book. She looked to her mother for guidance for everything early on. It was LATER that she was like "Percy and Luke are right, fuck the gods" and wants to fist-fight Hera for stealing her boyfriend. Also, she thinks her mom wants her while her dad chose her stepmom "over her" and her stepmom HATES Annabeth, so, as a child forced to chose between which parent she wants to stay with after the divorce, she chose the one she thinks wants her and acts the good daughter until such a time as she becomes her own person apart from her parents.
@@DisneyLover258 yeah, but she was still aware of all of the horrible things her mother did and that her mother was a horrible person. She still can strive for her love though
The chemistry between these two is better than the trio in the show 😂
I actually quite liked this portrayal of Medusa, it did differ from the books quite a lot, but i still liked this version; which i will be the first to mention it might very well be a bi product of Medusa being one of my favorite monsters in greek myths so i really wanted to like her, or because i was reading into it to much or something, but i kept getting the feeling that Medusa in this was not bad or good, more neutral and was more just being very manipulative to get what she want, which is why she seems to change so much from scene to scene, she is just saying what they would want to hear to try and get them on her side as a way to get back at the gods, sense she hated the gods, not the kids; but the was trying to turn percy aline to her side because Annabeth and Grover were being very wary of her and were saying to not trust her or right up accusing her, so she gave up on them and focused in Percy sense he was actually listening to her and not fully treating her like a monster; then when that failed she was like fine then i will get back at your parents a different way, and if i am remembering right (i will have to watch the scene again to be sure) but when they entered her lair she announces something along the lines of "fine then i will just send your statues to your parents, that should send a message". Overall the whole scene was way to short, but i loved how you could not really tell who's side she was going to be on and how manipulative she was.
Regarding Medusa, I think when you said Hesiod, you meant Ovid. I never got the impression from Hesiod that she was evil. The word "Gorgon" can be translated "dreadful" but that also doesn't necessarily mean evil. Very early, Gorgon imagery could be found on coinage and placed above doors to ward off evil.
Hesiod really doesn't describe what Gorgons looks like, but he says she mated with Poseidon. I don't know if he ever mated with ugly monsters or only pretty things so there may be something there.
Well Poseidon IS the father of horses. (No idea with whom.)
And at least Zeus has a history of turning into animals to "seduce" people.
Their tastes are questionable at best.
The scene from ep 3 with Percy and Grover is definitely a set-up. I could feel the distrust of Percy to Grover (due to the betrayal in ep 1), they even inserted the last part of the oracle in between the scene. He even said it himself that either one of his friends will betray him (he himself expect it's either Grover or Annabeth) . It feels like they're steering the viewers to Grover as the betrayer just to make the final reveal more impactful. I kinda get what they're going for but the whole thing doesn't flow as smoothly and leave many awkward gaps between them.
When this series is done you should totally make an inaccuracies video on what vas inaccurate from the books and from Greek mythology.
i actually enjoyed medusa in this episode. i agree that they shouldnt have immediately guessed who she was and her not being more monster-like was disappointing, but i thought her backstory was intriguing. it seems more like shes in denial about what actually happened then telling the honest truth. i also thought the chemistry was better in this episode, even if grover was done dirty. the whole song thing and how it came back around near the end was more charming then annoying to me, and both percy and annabeth refusing to betray each other despite their arguing was a good way (in my opinion) to show that when it comes down to it, they have each others backs.
Well it would have been unrealistic for them to not immediately know who she is, it isn’t difficult lol
@@GJ_4015 yeah, idk why everyone is complaining about this! It's pretty obvious that it was Medusa and Annabeth is the daughter of Athena, goddess of WISDOM??? There was no need to make it a mystery. I'm glad they got straight to the point. I do like the Medusa scene in the movie, but I also very much enjoyed the show's Medusa scene. Idk even know why it's a problem that the Roman version of the story is being used. In this universe, the Greek and Roman gods both exist, they're basically just different identities or personalities if I'm remembering correctly. If the works for the gods, why not the monsters?? Why does there only have to be one version of Medusa?? 🤷♀
One of the few times I disagree with the Mythology guy on this one. I thought everything was really good. Cant wait for episode 4
yeah exactly
Same; I'm loving this show and while I'm okay with others opinions because that's what they are... As a longtime fan of the books... This show is EVERYTHING I wanted the movies to be and it leaves me completely satisfied, changes and all
@@HauntinglyNell I think it has something to do with just how bad the movies were. People are on edge about any changes they make. Which is for good reason but. Keep an open mind ya know?
@@mr.dietpeep7670 I think some people just won't be happy unless we're getting a 1:1 adaptation sadly... For me, this show is my favorite meduim of Percy Jackson just behind the OG books
i didn't love the first episode but it is genuinely getting better and i don't understand why they dislike it so strongly.
I think actually the reason why Percy chose Grover wasn't cuz he truly trusted him as like a friend, but more as Grover is a protector and therefore will always protect his life and not betray him. Though yes I do like it much better in the books than what happened in the show but it is what it is
But they made Percy say he picked him because he trusted him
Your idea can be further supported by the scene in the forest where Percy essentially says Grover is on his side, because he has to be as is his protector.
@@Epictook yes trusted him as a protector that he would not let him die, but he never said that he trusted him as a friend. Or did I miss that part in the show
Honestly, I really liked the sort-of retcon they did for Medusa. While, of course, I loved how they did it in the books, I think it was equally interesting in the show. I like how Medusa’s immediately revealed (not a gradual reveal) and that she plays an important role in not only progressing the quest but also the characters and their individual qualities (i.e. bringing them closer, revealing relationships and ideologies, etc.). While i totally understand not enjoying this, especially as a book reader (I myself love the books and can totally understand the jarring nature of this retcon), I like how Rick and the writers of this show are taking a different approach to the story while remaining faithful to the books in such a way that the story is better fit for the TV medium. I mentioned in your previous vid (in a comment) that there’s a lot of differences in writing a show and writing a book, and I think it’s been done quite well so far. Overall, I PERSONALLY disagree with your take but can understand where you’re coming from
I just can't agree. If they introduced her right away, the group shouldn't have even went there. But oh percys mommy said she was good so it's okay? Even your basic study of Greek mythology would make it a very clear red flag to go to her lair. She'll literally turn you to stone and the kids have no reason to think she wouldn't do the same to them. It's so unrealistic of them. I don't think it makes sense at all. I think adapting to a TV show gives room to add more but changing things isn't okay. It's not the same. And I don't think it's Rick I think it's Disney🤷 the problem is the book sold millions of copies because people loved the books exactly as they were. Why change what's already good and already works? People paid into this series for what it was in the books, not what it could've been in the show.
Thank you for puting my toughts in to words@@hyrulianhero116
I don't like this take as it feels like you're implying you can't suspense and mystery in a TV medium. This was very clearly not a change made because it was necessary for a book to TV adaptation. The change was made for reasons relating to current politics/societal issues/movements.
I feel you should do a video where Percy is confronting Zeus and have him point out that there are other gods who could've had their kids steal his master bolt. Like the trickster God, the war God, the God of thieves, you know more Greek gods than I do.
This may be controversial but idc. I really loved all 3 episodes of the new show. No, they’re not perfectly aligned with the hooks but I think they represented the books well.
1st episode: Shows Percy’s confusion about everything. And how he is struggling to comprehend it all. (Smelly babe wasn’t accurate but they did that on purpose as to not cross boundaries of the shows rating and it being suitable for children to watch)
2nd episode:LOVED the interaction with Dionysus and Percy being all I AM SALLY JACKSONS SON. It wasn’t intended he books but I really love it.
3rd episode: I liked the added dialogue. I think there could have been a little more of the original story in this episode but it’s good. Also I liked Medusa. Also Alecto and Megaera/Tisiphone we’re done amazingly
I think the film quality is great and the actors do an amazing job of portraying the characters. The writing is good and follows the books (not exactly but pretty good in my opinion)
Also please don’t hate it’s an opinion
I don’t think that’s controversial. Most people agree with you
Honestly, one of the major issues seem to be that they’re are only 8 episodes. There’s too much to cram in even if they trim the not really necessary part.
I think the current script is an attempt to keep as much as possible by changing how it happens.
That’s what I’m saying. I could see the show in 8 episodes BUT it has to be 1 hour episodes. 30 min is way too short, especially if they are covering 4-6 chapters at a time
That makes no sense to be honest. If they have 8 episodes, use those episodes to show the book good. Not rush it. They should know that rushing is not well received.
Maybe Im talking shit, since I dont know a thing about how filming this things work, but do they have a commitment like "do 3 chapters per episode" kind of thing? If not it sounds so dumb to me that they decide to do a thing that in tons of other films and series is not well received, instead of actually using those few episodes to be faithful to the book. They basically have the entire script written and accepted for almost 20 years and they should know thar the fans would be on their tail, why the fuck they decide to even risk it with rushing and stupid changes? 😂
@@dudu-fo7hz you forget Disney as some control over it. Some changes were going to happen because of it unfortunately.
I think aside from mischaracterizations and the pacing problems I thought it was pretty good.
I think on the mischaracterizations it's less of a problem than it's being made to be especially because on a TV show it makes sense they would want more conflict between the interests of the characters. I feel as though while being a completely warranted opinion, you are too focused on wanting them to be identical to the books: you mentioned grover being told off all the time and I would also point out that in the books he was also constantly being shut down and shy, Percy wanting grover on the trip is a characterization of their friendship which is also shown in the first episode in the beginning as well as in the scene where they share lunch together, and the genuine look of shock on Percy's face when grover betrays him. Thus, even the betrayal scene is evidence of their friendship through the clear surprise of it.
Again I completely understand why you have the thoughts on it which you do however I also feel as though these arguments are a little too nit-picky.
The first few mins when the girl said that she thought this show was more ass than the movies killed me
Completely agree. They’re actually incredibly negative like SUPER negative which is baffling to me. They genuinely seem to hate this show
@@Mark_Cadden I've now gotten completely caught up and I am more convinced of my argument because literally the episode isn't bad by any means and I think he's definitely being way too nitpicky on Medusa in particular.
Even though there were some big changes in this episode, I enjoyed it. It had good vibes. And in case of need, we have the books
*(I'm going to put this comment both here and in the reply so you don't miss this very crucial information)*
6:46 As I've said before, the reason why Grover got him kicked out of school is because it was established that *the monsters would find him easier.* 10:37 I should also note that the mist can warp what people see and even warp their memories in both the show and books. *Heck, we literally see a scene of a mortal on the train seeing the Fury as a normal old woman in the episode.* 12:05 In the book, Grover would play a song that the other characters found annoying. I'm pretty sure that scene is a reference to that. 20:00 How would the Fury have called anyone (her sisters or Hades) without giving Percy the chance to get away? She doesn't even have a phone?!!!
1. The reason Grover betrayed him is not good, it was something bullshit, they were going to kick him anyway because of what he did to Nancy, it was not necessary for Groover to do that.
2. The mist cannot warp what the people see that well, especially when the fact is happening, and it depends on what is show. Mortals usually rationalize stuff AFTER it happens, not in the middle.
3. Grover played with a flute yes, and it was his gig, they removed, regardless if it was a reference it was rly bad.
4. How do you know they don't have phones? demigods can't have phones because monsters track it, implying monsters do use then, and how do you know she can't talk with then without it? telephaty? talking with Hades himsef?
@@syegfryedhellscream9508 Talking about telepathy, why can Percy hear Alecto's voice in his head in episode one?
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@@justyourfriendlyneighbourh1268 Then they should be consistent about it 🥲
Satyr horns aren't angel wings. Grover's reward for helping Percy on his quest was a
searcher's license, so that he could join the other satyrs in finding Pan. Grover's horns did grow larger in the months after the quest for the bolt, but he
actually had them all along, they were just too small to see through his long hair at first. It was purely a symbolic change meant to reflect Grover's character growth, not any sort
of magic effect. Also, after getting his searcher's license, Grover left camp to seek out Pan, leading into
the events of the next story.
I'm actually surprised there aren't more animated adaptations of books. Animation lends itself to narrative storytelling with fantasy or scifi elements better than live action and you can make the characters look exactly as they're described in the books. Creative modification is easier too. Casting is easier too because the focus is on the voice rather than the appearance or actor chemistry.
Personally i disagree with you.
I wasnt the biggest fan of the first 2 episodes.
But the third kind of surprised me personally.
I actually kind if like the idea that Percy is falling down the same rabbit hole sort of speak as Luke did in the books.
I like the idea that Percy gradually resents the gods over the course of the show so far.
It was there in the books, but to my memory it wasnt explored all that much.
Also i love Sally's quote in the first episode "not everyone who looks like a monster, is a monster" (i dont know if that was the exact quote but you get the point). To me that resembles Medusa in a nutshell, and the third wpisode really doubles down on that.
I mean Medusa was kind of a victim after all.
I also love how Medusa sort of manipulates Percy into hating the gods a little more.
I dont know, i like the show so far, there are changes i like, but some i dont.
There are a few things I want to give counter-points to.
One; the Furies. The Furies are not that bad, because it’s The Mist. Regular people do not see monsters, you know that. So when someone is trying to get past her on the bus, they aren’t reacting because they only see an old woman, they don’t see the wings, they are rushing and confused; that’s why it’s shot like that, so show that the Furie was powerful, and that no one was there to help them. All the adults were scattering, and they didn’t see the danger.
Next, Annabeth; I think Rick has been trying to make Annabeth a bit more thorny, because I think that’s how he’s always seen her. How I remember the first book was that they were bickering a lot, but it seemed more playful because there’s this sorta childhood crush thing going on. I think Rick is trying to move that crush part to the potential next “book”, slowing the development a bit more, and also making Annabeth look more prickly then she did, as she’s trying to replicate her mom who has always been a rival of Poseidon.
After that, we have Grover’s song. I think it’s supposed to be cringe. That’s literally the point. Grover is using distraction to stop them from arguing, and it works! He’s akward about it, but it’s probably something he was taught to do to diffuse tension; be a goofball and everyone calms down. But he’s not perfect at it, so it WORKS, but it just sounds cringy. He even says when they stop him that it’s a tactic to encourage compromise.
I think a lot of the current issues you are having stem from a combination of blink and you miss it details, or a lack of understanding kids.
The three of them are acting like kids would; brash, impertinent, stubborn, cringy.
The book rarely had that. They are supposed to be children, so faults in their character may actually be the choice by the author.
Here, let me just-
The One Piece live action had to change a lot in order to get itself to work. One of the things it did was make Luffy less simple and more emotional, and a lot less selfish.
Luffy’s cartoonish selfishness works in anime/manga because it’s a cartoon, but in live action, something supposed to GET ACROSS THE SERIES TO NEW AUDIENCES, you have to change a few things.
And Medusa… I already said my peace a while ago, but it boils down to the fact that monsters are made up of stories, and Medusa is a character that has gone through so many changes that making her character in the series be “what’s truth and what’s lies” and be about “perspective” while still having her be a threat is, in my opinion, a fine change.
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Really, there were only two things I hated about this episode.
Firstly, Annabeth saying they don’t vote. A daughter of Athena, patron goddess of Athens, the birth place of Democracy, said they couldn’t vote.
But more to the point, Medusa was god damn terrible. It’s cool using Medusa’s head to defeat Alecto (not sure if that would work, but The Furies in this universe are killable), but her presentation was so underwhelming. There’s more to Medusa than snakes for hair, and it’s even in the books. Green skin, wings on her bank, claws made of bronze, this should look cool and intimidating. Also, I know the books used it, but can we ever get a piece of Greek media that doesn’t use Ovids god damn retelling. In the original stories, Medusa and her sisters was the daughters of Keto and Phorcys, something Riordan brought up in The Heroes of Olympus books, pretty much the only retcon from the books I can remember.
On the point of Ovid, it doesn’t seem like they used it too much outside of the cursing. But I would agree with a truer adaption of the myth.
In th books it's said that medusa's power does not work on blind people n immortals. In th riordanverse not only th gods but also th monsters are in fact immortal, as even if their physical forms are destroyed their spirits alw return frm th underworld in th end. Soo.. who knows? It's a bit confusing. Regarding their appearance only euryale n stheno have imperial gold bat wings, bronze fangs n claws n chicken feet in th books. Medusa is portrayed as a normal old woman, except for her green snake hair
I mean I see no reason why it wouldn't work?
@@ArcticKrill yeah, but in th riordanverse things work differently. It wouldn't make sense that atlas was petrified by perseus, given that he later meets hercules, perseus' great-grandosn. Even on a geographical level things wouldn't add up
Athena is complete dictator. Her city in mythology is ruled by kings, not elected people. And in historical times, in the briefiest moment of democracy, her city did not allow for woman to vote.
All the complication and realistic humanity of Medusa as a character also had to come through visually - even in the nest of snakes coiled around her head. "We never really wanted the snakes to give a performance. They weren't going to stare at Percy and hiss in unison; that started to feel like you're in a cartoon," Steinberg said. "There was something interesting about the idea that part of the immortal torture of Medusa is that it's really annoying to have snakes on your head. You want to feel the sense of how uncomfortable that must be. So that requires them to be messy and to feel real."
18:53 Im not sure if this counts but medusas hair throughout her entire appearance has a snake texture and I really liked episode 3 the characters had great chemistry for me the growing pains makes sense they barely know eachother and its prophesised to betray eachother I just think trying to get the book directly from an adaptation doesnt make that much sense I like the little changes while not objectively better its better than not doing anything even slightly different
Percy and Grover supposed be like best buddies already! And Annabeth spent plenty of time with Percy before the quest helping him with Ancient Greek and history! Only NONE of that was in the series 🙈
I absolutely agree with you for the most part. IF YOU CANT MAKE IT RIGHT THEN DONT MAKE IT AT ALL 👏 I don’t expect a 1:1 adaptation of the books, thats not how it works but i expect the changes to be thought through, true to the story and the whole vibe and have a purpose in story other than plot convenience. Look at Lotr for example: is it 100% true to the books? Absolutely not. Is it one of the best movie adaptations ever made? Yes, yes indeed. And there are other examples: The queens gambit, Harry Potter, catching fire, the perks of being a wallflower, Scott pilgrim, infinity war… I could go on. There are scenes that are just completely unnecessary and take away tension like Annabeth talking to Alecto. The scenes are either completely rushed like medusas reveal or the fight sequences while the rest is kinda dragging with the endless dialogues that I think were created to build up tension or emotion but just complete miss the mark (like sallys monologue whilst literally being chased by a Minotaur or the whole scene talking to medusa and again Alecto). So far the show has been kinda boring I must say and I think it’s due to the weird pacing, heartfelt moments, lack of action and real challenges (they kill off every challenge thrown their way in like 5 seconds, it’s anticlimactic and it doesn’t leave a lot of room for character and skill development). And so far I really think the show is lacking a bit attention to detail like grovers crutches or the fact that cellphones attract monsters or that Grover is a vegetarian because he can talk and relates to animals or the monster donut shops… these are just little details, that of course don’t matter for the overall story but just make it feel like a own world with own lore.
The one point I disagree is that I personally think grovers casting is on point and i love his acting so far. That scene with the spring roll (?) was one of the only times I laughed in this episode. I just think he is really poorly written but i obviously don’t blame the actor for that. It’s like he’s only there for information dump and some comedic relief. And I hate that they used grovers past as a tool to create conflict between the characters. The way Annabeth holds it against him is just so out of character. In the books PERCY FIGURES IT OUT by himself (surprise surprise, they don’t let him figure this out either) and it isn’t used as a attack but Percy asks Grover about it out of curiosity. Grover confesses and they all cheer him up, annabeth tells him that she probably would be dead as well if it wasn’t for him. I hate that they turned this heartfelt moment into a dumb tool to force conflict.
Sorry I just needed to vent. I love the universe, red every book countless times and I’m just really sad and disappointed. :(
I'm not reading all of that.
Well I read all of that and I strongly agree with you. Thanks for putting my thoughts into words
I think we're probably going to start seeing more chemistry between the trio going forward. At this point in the books Percy and Annabeth had spent a lot more time together and had gotten more used to each other. It seemed like we were in that 'teething trouble' phase of the team and that they were just starting to make progress at the end of the last episode. Hopefully going forward we're going to start seeing that chemistry that they've been telling us about
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Good luck with all that I guess
@@lt3746I think you will probably be completely safe in one week.
I am really liking the show as a non book reader. I can also understand a lot of the complaints I’ve seen from other reactors regarding the pacing and lack of action scenes.
But everything else I disagree with. I love the chemistry between the trio - not sure if it’s mainly because I’ve watched so many of their interviews, but it’s great to me. I also disagree with your take on the Annabeth actress, from what people have said - she isn’t suppose to be extremely likable in the beginning and is suppose to be a semi “know it all and maybe even annoying” it’s also how I found hermione in the first movie - she grew to be more likable as the movie went on. Also, even Rick himself made a comment on threads about annabeth knowing it was Medusa almost immediately since they said she’s “always 6 steps ahead” but you can also admit a lot of people don’t like the actress because of racism. It won’t kill you to admit it. It’s a fact that you can overlook or say isn’t everyone because she doesn’t embody what readers imagined her to be, but neither was the movie one until they made her blonde in the second movie. But that little girl has been called the n word and monkey and other derogatory names you as a white male will never understand. But I thank you for at least acknowledging she’s a little girl and you didn’t want to be mean in your critic. I wish others who want to criticize (which everyone has their right to do) are a little kinder. She has time to improve if you can’t see it just yet.
As a book reader, I'm afraid I'll have to disagree with you. I really wish I wouldn't have to, but while the actors chemistry off-screen might be great, there doesn't happen much positive of it on-screen (at least not in my memory). Also, I don't blame it on the actors. They can only do as much the script allows.
So I'd say, that the writing is the problem. The few good moments they have together in the books were completely cut out until now, their conflict is overblown and has some really unusual characteristics to it.
For example, when they are in the bus and Percy wants to hold a vote on what to do, Annabeth is like "No, we don't vote, we do what I say". Annabeth, a daughter of Athena, the patron goddess of the city, where they invented the very concept of democracy, is against that? And not only this, you don't even have to be a child of Athena in order to see how that makes you unsympathetic and bossy. By any chance, your team partners will be more likely to be uncooperative with such a behaviour of getting your own plans through exactly as you want. She doesn't try to convince them with good arguments, which would get her the nickname "Wise girl"; instead, she calls the idea of calling Camp Half-Blood cowardly. Asking for support, when you're confronted with the three enforcers of Hades himself, is no cowardice. It's reasonable.
@@_jpgI fully agree with you, and actually wanted to add something but I forgor my point.I feel like I'm going MAD, seeing all the people who are THAT more excited for episode 3, while me personally watching it wasn't a big fan.
I for one am againt Annabeth carting role, there r many dark skinned characters in Rick's book, for one I am not white either. But Annabeth to me is a blonde girl n I wsnt to stick to it.. I liked the books for what they are, they don't have to add the racial integrating into everything. It sucks
bro fr its literally the first few episodes... It takes a while for the bonds and all to be solidified
@@NikhilValajaShekar I Don't Think Annabeth Being Dark Skinned In The Book Is A Big Deal.
I actually liked the Medusa scene even if it differed from the books (and this is coming from someone who read and loved the books from the age of 6 and reread them along with half of Heroes of Olympus earlier this year, also reading the books alongside the show with a friend of mine), it was different, and I see them driving in some minorly different directions with certain aspects of the story, but I think it feeds into the story they're writing really well thus far, and it is in the same spirit of the books.
I think what they're driving at with Medusa is that elements of each of her stories were true, but ultimately now, after having been abused and/or abandoned by the gods for so long, she's become the monster everyone believes her to be. Whether she was in the wrong or not initially doesn't matter now.
Medusa is a monster, but she didn't start that way (whether she was horny on main or assaulted in the temple she was still a human being that probably wouldn't eat small children as a pastime), and regardless of what Athena may have intended when she cursed her or what short term effects that may have had (I still think in this version it was a punishment), it's led to nothing but suffering for her and she resents Athena for that. Lying about her views on her curse and Athena to Annabeth *in the presence of Percy* is an attempt to drive a wedge between her and Percy so she can isolate them.
Also, who, when trying to bait people into a trap through persuasion, wouldn't try to garner sympathy and sew division between their victims? Sure if you take the dialogue at face value it seems confusing, but it's blatantly obvious that she's trying to manipulate these kids into turning on eachother and trying to get them into a position where she can hurt them. Even the honesty about who she is is probably a ploy to gain trust and simultaneously sew dissent among the party. Which worked initially. She's probably been doing this so long that she enjoys this part of the hunt.
Additionally, when she says "you could have chosen to save your mother instead of doing your father's bidding," she's probably referring to his implied refusal of her offer to get the party out of the way. Still trying to manipulate him into betraying his friends.
Ultimately I think this episode is still part of the setup for the dynamic between the characters, and towards the end of the episode we're starting to see a bit of the payoff. They're trusting eachother more and are beginning to build a mutual friendship because now they've not only started to be honest with one another, they've proven that they can resist the temptation to betray eachother and have eachother's backs when it matters.
This episode was a pretty strong improvement over the previous two and, seeing where they might be going with this, I only think that things will get better from here. It will be a little different, and yeah, some scenes need room to breathe, but the spirit of the story is definitely there and I like what I'm seeing thus far.
Completely agree. While the movie may have been more TEXTUALLY accurate to the scene from the book, the show is more THEMATICALLY accurate for all the reasons you're saying as well as setting up the kids questioning the gods later down the road and Luke being seen for who he was and...all the important themes the book series plays with in later installments as Rick became a better writer and more interested in exploring different ideas.
I loved the Percy Jackson book series growing up and I still do but now after being fully invested in mythologies it’s comical how much media has changed her. So at the end of the day I still love these depictions even if they are innacurate.
I'm so glad to hear I'm not the only who's observed these things about the show. I agree with you virtually 100% about everything you've said so far.
I think we got our first real glimpse at their chemistry in Ep3, so hopefully it continues to get better. Annabeth's actor in particular feels so close to believable but falls short. It seems like if they just spent an extra month or something working with her, it'd make a big difference. She and others just don't come off as their characters; it very much feels like actors saying and doing script things.
I'm very disappointed with the action scenes of Ep3. Everything is resolved two seconds after the situation is presented. I love problem-solving and seeing how others problem-solve, and I remember the books doing a great job building tension and offering interesting insights into the characters through it. You get absolutely none of that in this series. They just figure it out immediately and we have no added understanding of their thought process or values. It's also a real shame because the Medusa scene in the books was one of my favorites in the series. Percy being pushed to figure out the truth of who she actually was and how he could defeat her -- these things helped him grow (in more ways than one) and made his victory feel earned.
"We are doing what we can to prepare [for] the eventuality that we get the green light," Riordan said. "We don't know. It is not official. You know, we're getting reactions like we've had tonight, amazing reactions everywhere... so, if I was the Oracle, I would say the Auguries are good."
Riordan continued, "But, we had started writing what those episodes would look like, sort of doing a series format, talking about the first few episodes, and that's about as much as we can do right now until we get the go-ahead. So, the best way to ensure that [the show] goes forward, [is to] tell your friends to tune in to Disney+ and watch."
I interpreted Medusa’s original “Gods gave me this gift” as a way of trying to trick the three protagonists
I think the whole point was medusa knew she was cursed by athena and athena meant it as a negative… but medusa over the years had chosen to perceive it as a blessing to take control of her own fate and not be a victim. That seemed pretty clear to me in the episode but maybe it was confusing to some.
Question: Is the Percy Jackson Graphic novel series good as the book series?
Eh, they're pretty hit or miss, whether it be the art, the pacing or how they adapt the story for a visual medium by just making a weird Frankenstein patchwork of a book's plot to cut down on its overall length.
If you want a good adaption of PJO just watch The Lightning Thief Musical, honest to god the most faithful & loving adaption of the book I've ever seen.
I can’t believe I’m saying it but this series made me like the chemistry… between Logan Lerman, Alexandra Daddario, and Brandon T. Jackson.
Whatever they wanted to achieve (one up the movies), they didn’t - and the thing they competed with was literally on the floor level.
The more I watch the series the more i believe that perhaps ot should have been half an hour episodes. It would jabe given the stiry writers time to properly go through the events.
My main issue with the stiry all happens because they did not spend enough time at Camp Half Blood. B3fore Percy even went on his quest, it was clear that he had found some family with the campers (especially Hermes cabin). A cabin which accepted him when he was feeling vulnerable after the 'dead' of his mum.
The show really needs to follow "show don't tell" advise.
in the book chapter 11 ends with medusas head being mailed to the gods so that 11 chapters out of 22 so we should be half way but were just finishing part 3 of 8
I honestly liked the way they did Medusa.
Her story has been a point of contention among people who prefer sticking to the original myth and others who identify her heavily with the Ovid telling.
This kept it a mystery, while also playing into both ends.
Percy and Annabeth were forced to face the idea of their godly parent's faults, as well as were tested for their trust in each other.
Annabeth said in the mark of Athena, that they (she and Percy) didn't even really talk or open up until the back of the truck to las vagas
I dont like how fast Medusa’s scene is. It just telling story, 5 seconds chase scene, Medusa die. The basement is so large that I thought it would have a great chase scene.
Not me and him wearing the same shirt, isnt that ironic
Someone’s going to be Hades advocate for the next five weeks, aren’t they.
its so nice having someone talk about all the good/ok stuff AND the bad
Here’s something that annoyed me in this episode: at the very beginning Luke gives him the flying shoes. Then they’re not mentioned again, but we see Percy carrying them around everywhere. Like, out of anything he grabs when they run away from the bus, he grabs the shoes, not his backpack or supplies, but the shoes that he hasn’t put on. Then out of no where, boom, Grover’s wearing them. Why? Obviously if you read the books it’s explained that Percy shouldn’t wear them because Zeus might strike him down or whatever, but that is not mentioned once in the books. It’s just Percy dragging along some big ass shoes box instead of wearing them, and then Grover’s suddenly got them with no explanation as to why. There’s not even a “hey Grover, you wear these while we fight Medusa” it’s just *suddenly, he has them* it would’ve taken literally 10 seconds to explain it in the episode
Ok on certain subjects (1/2)
Medusa: she’s shown on multiple occasions that she is a liar and we are shown this throughout the episode. She knows people are fighting over her story and she’s one of the only person who can give a perspective. I understand the confusion because as you said “it’s a dump of exposition” and I didn’t notice this until my 3rd watch but it’s a mix of Hesiod and Ovid’s version where she was a priestess of Athena and was smitten by Poseidon and Athena in reaction to them hooking up had cursed her and Poseidon didn’t stand up for her or offer to change her back, he smashed and dashed. To be fair she’s a literal snake lady so euphemism for a liar could be possible. I do understand it’s easily missable and she’s definitely somewhat lying through her teeth at Annabeth and from her change of expression with who she’s talking to you can tell she knows they’re already confused by which version to go by. But her line “you like your father being unable to stand up for the one you love” cemented that story. It could be possible she lied to herself and went “maybe this curse can somewhat be a blessing”
Now world building: the show is trying to show us the point and strength of the mist and I agree with you that it’s very very jarring sometimes seeing how the mist is to normal people and to demigods. Like you said when she put on the cap it brought me out of it a little bit, to be fair these are a bunch of people from NYC the same city where someone can get stabbed infront of you and you can go on walking as if your day is unchanged, I lived there I should know.
Storyline: I understand why they changed the bus a bit, they’re trying to streamline all the problems Percy and Annabeth had so they can actually build a love story so having them juxtapose together both having a choice to betray each other and choosing not to, helps them get closer and sets up a bond when they spent most of the episode fighting.
Ok on certain subjects (2/2)
Annabeth’s character: they’re somewhat moving her character around because in the book Annabeth by the time Percy comes has realized that as a daughter of Athena she’s naturally smarter and needs to help people naturally catch up to her at understanding and figuring things out. She knows she can be wrong but it’s unlikely. Now Annabeth in the show, she’s more “no one has proven me wrong so I can’t be wrong” and although we haven’t seen much of it yet I feel over time she’ll not only find out she was wrong about Percy but wrong Luke and they’ll probably add more stuff along the way. She’s slowly realizing she’s smart but doesn’t have anything figured out while Book Annabeth’s character was learning to have faith in other people (besides Luke).
Grover’s song: I chuckled out of uncomfortably and thought it was stupid but when Percy did it I yelled “that dumbs**t was to set up a joke!”
Now on why world reveal isn’t slow: I think that’s a normal thing between transitioning between a book and a screen, in the book we only have what the character reveal to us so we slowly see the world as they do, in a screen (especially for a movie/tv show based on a book we read) they know we already know everything so they switch out the show reveal for usually gags, quick explanations, or plot twist. There’s some instances where personally it was okay like Annabeth revealing Aunty Em’s is likely Medusa because I was shocked in the book that she didn’t recognize that. That’s your mother’s second worst enemy and you walk into her playground.
The Fury ending scene:Yeah I feel that was more “we need a quick exit” because I was wondering why she sat there too, honestly I think it was cinematography focused on Annabeth’s acting (which I liked cause you can tell she’s slowly changing her thoughts about Percy) and they just left a quick explanation that like you took me out a little. But besides that I personally loved the episode.
The argument people make that "it is just a tv show with a small budget so certain things won't be as good" is complete bullsh*t!!!! There are a ton of tv shows that have excellent fight scenes, choreography and pacing.
I Thought It Was Good.
@ehsaamullah515 Overall I'd give it a 5/10 so far. There are a lot of moments that could have been done better or correctly, but we'll see where it goes in the future.
@@nthn-mw6nh Fair Point.
Mythologyguy, what did you think of the scene with the Oracle?
Question do you think you would enjoy this version mire if there was already a book acurate live action or animated portrayal already in existence? I feel like i would. I can still appreciate trying the new angle but i do wish i could have seen a version where tgey slowly realize who/what they are dealing with theoughout the episode.