The best quote I can think of for the Jedi for much of their existence, but especially by the time of the Clone Wars, comes from a minor side quest npc Padawan in the Star Wars the Old Republic MMO, "The Jedi say that fear and emotions lead to the Dark Side, and yet the Jedi FEAR emotion"
Kinda a hypocritical move, "But mundi is an endangered species, he's allowed a harem"...."Anakin let go of your detachments, oh and we won't free your mom." Makes his that's not fair more justified jedi council...
I havent played the Old Republic so idk the context behind it, but the Jedi are taught emotions and love. There are always going to be bad apples like mundi here, but the Jedi are the true words to live by in the galaxy.
A lot of people call him cruel for that but it's not like they were unarmed or innocent he was just fighting enemy soldiers the most effective way he could with the lowest amount of clone deaths
Yeah windu was truly a moron wasn't he? "We aren't soldiers" but we are trained to fight and do when war breaks out...as part of organization. How are they not soldiers? I always wondered why they kept that in. He should have said we aren't SUPPOSED to be soldiers. Clearly they are and have been for millenia.
many people elevate sentimentality and reflexive empathy and sympathy as some kind of virtue which is naive and somewhat ignorant. He was a pragmatist, incredibly principled and served what he perceived as greater good. All this made him compassionate in totality of his actions while he didnt show sympathy often.
Mundi was a terrible Jedi overall, but the greatest Jedi of his time's Jedi. By the time of Mundi, the Jedi had spent almost 1000 years having basically become a giant echo chamber. They only accepted infants to train, who would grow up to train more infants. They did not patrol or act, but wait for orders from the increasingly corrupt Republic. They were so focused on communing with the Force, they lost connection to the Living Force. In essence, Mundi was the perfect product of his environment, and a perfect example of why said environment was do horrific
Very well said and examined by you and Stupendous. Love talking with open and debating star wars fans. There can be a nice chunck of "um actually" people in this fandom lol.
For prequel era Jedi, he'd be really low on the list of potential Jedi Masters. Pong Krell and Jorus C'Baoth would probably be worse, but practically all of the others from that era would be an improvement.
I like to believe the clones that shot him weren't under order 66 they just couldn't tolerate him any longer also yoda is kinda shit as a master dooku was right.
That's my had canon too. Mundi said "Everyone Charge!!!" And bumb rushed into a narrow kill box that only he could survive in AGAIN and they finally said "Ya know what, F- this. Deflect this you filthy casual!" And open fired on his ass.
I thought this was canon for somebody… Mundi maybe? But yeah for that reason the chip had little effect vs their anger for a “general” who gets them killed.
Ki Adi Mundi: “impossible, the Sith where extinct for a millennia, tho… there was that one case once with a couple of Jedi missing a century ago…” The whole council: “I’m sry, what?!” Ki Adi mundi: “uhh nothing”
Wasn't this kind of the point regarding the jedi by the time we got to clone wars? They were so wrapped up in the power, influence and arrogance that they couldn't see Palpatines manipulations and they couldn't sense Anakin's fall? They became arrogant, fearing to feel any kind of emotion or attachment while missing the irony of the phrase "fear is the path to the dark side". They spent so much time arrogantly believing the sith could never return only to miss the one literally under their nose
Mundi was past controlled. He was cold. And cold is a dark side emotion all its own. Being empty of compassion is an emotion of its own. It may sound exaggerated but Mundi was as close as anyone had become to Vitiate before his first death. Vitiate was beyond anger or hate or any other dark emotion by the galactic cold war era. He was empty and cold. He simply acted toward his goal. Mundi didn't have Vitiate's goal, but I dare wager the state if mind they both had as they calculated getting their goal and then threw lives at it would have been eerily similar.
@roycehuepers4325 I don't know. Palpatine felt anger, he took pleasure in being the dark lord. Mundi and Vitiate just felt nothing. Both Emperor's were the most powerful Sith of their eras but very different emotions. Maybe... might be better to compare Mundi to Jadus. He and Mundi might have had kinship in how they considered their daughters.
Damn I started reading your comment and in the first words I started thinking 'Vitiate' and you proceeded to mention him. Yeah those excerpts in the Revan novel mentioning him are creepy...
I don't think being empty of compassion is an emotion since compassion is the connection of emotions. I believe he had emotions, just buried them to the point that no one could tell not even himself most of the time. I don't think emptiness is either bad or good it just is, I personally think its's wrong or incorrect to be more accurate but only intent can be good or bad
@@taetrrtot6205 yes, and Mundi INTENDS to be devoid of emotion, devoid of compassion, and that intention is what is bad, as you note. at least TRY to be consistent.
It was his fault that Ahsoka left the order. While it saved her from Order 66, it certainly contributed to a lot of Anakin's weariness of the council as well as the war. Keep in mind that other than Padme, Ahsoka is one of Anakin's closest friends, and closest to a sister. Ki Adi Mundi is one of the main reasons why Vader existed.
Was he a good person? Let me think…. Execute.Order 66 at lease Mace Windu loved the Republic deep down and had he not turned to the Darkside. I think he and Anakin could’ve become great friends
Windu’s strength was his brittle belief in the Jedi Dogma , not the Code and his blind acceptance of the Republic. Similar to Dooku’s hatred to the corruption of the Republic, Windu was just a bad day from falling to the Dark Side. Palpatine probably considered turning Windu but was worried that Windu was too strong, replacing Palpatine at the first opportunity. I think IF Windu and Anakin had been able to get along and train together, they both would have benefited and been much stronger, more centered.
unflinchingly dogmatic adherence to basically any set of rules or principles, even supposedly good ones like those of the jedi order, will almost always lead the zealot down a dark path. so many ideas and Codes need human reason and emotion for them to truly Work. blind adherence is almost never a good thing. it makes it SO easy for the deceivers of the world, the palpatines and the satans and so on, to twist your morally "good" ideas into bad ones in practice. and because the zealot cannot deviate from his code or his rules, he cannot see what the devil has done to him, what the devil has turned him into.
i mean, palpatine in a way let the jedi ruin themselves with their own rules and strictures. some of the jedi were so bad that anakin chose Palpatine of all people over them
What’s weird was Mundi actually cared about Shak ti (sorry if I slept that wrong) in the Star Wars 2003 animated movie but in anything else nah just a arrogant man
This man single handedly predicted the future. Starting the video one of the first sentences he says are about acolytes, and hating kia-di-mundi. Coincidence? Yes probably
I must be the only Star Wars fan that doesn’t mind Mundi, yes he’s unattached and approaches situations with pure logic yet I think he is given a hard time. One point that always annoys me though is all the videos on him suggest he didn’t care about his family, which is explicitly not true. In fact Mundi said himself he DID care for them but tried to remain unattached inline with the Jedi code but admitted that it was always difficult. So I don’t get why Star Wars researchers far greater than myself overlook this or flat out twist it to make Ki Adi out to be some type of unfeeling Jedi sociopath. He was an example of the Jedi’s flaws to be sure, but this is still somewhat of a harsh view on a layered character.
Sociopath implies unhinged outbursts of anger, which is inaccurate here. Everyone gets that wrong, but they're implying he's a psychopath. And it's mostly, as another post points out, his treatment of Ahsoka and Yoda in the Clone Wars episodes.
@@Swearengen1980My best guess is that confusion between unattached to psychopath. Or people just think he is psychopath because he is unattached and is a byproduct of a anti-life Jedi.
@@Swearengen1980 personally I don’t think he’s either, which is my point; I’ve seen other videos refer to him as both and evil too. Which again all in all I see as harsh view. He is logical and unattached but in the Star War universe that doesn’t mean the same thing as it does in real life. Lets not forget, Ki-Adi isn’t even a human Jedi. We don’t know if Cierians as race are just naturally more logical or have different psyches in general but thats getting to deep into the mud. My point is I think people are harsh on Ki-Adi and the irony is, he is referred to as an extremeist and yet the evidence used to back this up is taking snippets of what he says and taking them to the extreme!
@@StormStar626 I wouldn't say he's always being logical. I'm a very rational, logical, and analytical person and have often been accused of being heartless or a psychopath. When you look at how he treated Yoda re: force ghost or Ahsoka, he really wasn't being logical. He was being obtusely judgmental and self righteously arrogant.
@@Swearengen1980 I disagree while I don’t deny he was arrogant and judgmental I would still argue it was rooted in logic. With Yoda especially his conclusion that Yoda has either becoming too old and his mind is suffering as a result or is under some attack by the Sith is a logical one, since what was really going on was both unheard of and astonishing and difficult to understand so therefore a logical person like Mundi would struggle to accept. Don’t forget its easy to judge because we as views saw the whole story to Mundi all he saw was and aged old being hearing voices no one could hear and even Yoda himself was unnerved and not totally convinced of what he was experiencing and out of all the Jedi on Kenobi was resolute in Yoda being of sound mind and that was more out of blind loyalty. With Ahsoka, Mundi was harsh and was more concerned about what would happen to the Jedi if they blindly defended Ahsoka based on nothing but her word. In many ways he approached this again with logic, after all they had had Jedi, Clones and Senators turn on them before and so it was no big stretch for it to potentially happen again. He was arrogant and too quick to cast her aside but many of the other members of the council did the same.
"There is something very touching about them. They look like soldiers; they fight like soldiers; and sometimes they eventalk like soldiers. They have all the finest qualities of the fighting man. But behind that is nothing - no love, no family, no happy memory that comes from having truly lived. When I see one of these men killed, I weep more for him than for any ordinary soldier who has lived a full and normal life." - Ki-Adi-Mundi on the Galactic Marines under his command. Unlike what many RUclipsrs seem to think, Mundi actually did care for the men under his command.
Mundi was what he was trained to be, which means he was a terrible Jedi. Lacking compassion, however, should have been a red flag to his ascension to the council or even being granted the title of Master. But the council at this time lacked any compassion for anyone or anything but themselves and thier rigid code.
Well, even Palpatine cared enough for Vader to save him on Mustafar. I don't know if it was comedy or not but he seem geniunly worried that Vader would die there. The big bad evil guy of the franchise is more empathic than a supposed "good guy".
I would assume that George got his surname from either the Latin root word "Mundus" which means 1. (noun) World; and 2. (Adjective) Clean. Or he got it from the term "Spiritus Mundi" which was coined by the poet William Butler Yeats in his poem "The Second Coming". Yeats believed that each of us is a part of an ordered Universal Mind or "Spiritus Mundi".
God why does Yoda suck at training people so much? Dooku? Evil. Ki-Adi? Dick. And both he and Mace suck at being there for Anakin. Like don't make him a master yet obviously but, don't neglect and abuse him emotionally while a Sith Lord (who they all know is around in the Republic cause Dooku told them) is trying to seduce him to the dark side! Also Luke, Obi-wan, and Ahsoka are basically the only decent Jedi since they're not sociopaths. Like they actually care about each other unlike the rest of the Council who are monsters.
I'd say it's misunderstandings on the Light Side that can corrupt you. If you see light through a dark window you're still going to stumble on your way to find it.
@@meganparrish807 let me ask you something can you see anything in a completely bright room? Can you see anything in a completely dark room? This is just one part and understanding the force, that's what I mean by the Light Side corrupting you, but if you're too steep in it you'll be blinded and misguided and it's ways that it will cause Great Harm to a lot of people, hence why Mundi never learn from his mistake with his daughter.
@@bursegsardaukar When you talk about metaphysical forces that is highly unlikely. If the Force is keeping everything together it doesn't make sense for it to corrupt people naturally because corruption ultimately leads to everything breaking apart. The Dark Side is a corruption due to misuse of the Force ergo it is unnatural. Sidious was the angler fish, my guy. Add: Furthermore, the Jedi's corruption is not due to the Force but their own mortal shortcomings. They do not understand the Force fully or what it wants if it could want anything, long hours of meditation in order to understand and deepen their relationship with the Force wouldn't be necessary if it actually spoke to them in any meaningful way. The Jedi's problems were entirely because they were people.
In his defense it seems like he's had so much practice with letting go thar it eventually came naturally. But he still had to let go which show that he still somewhat cared. I don't like him, but I can respect tha level of dedication
I get why they allowed him to have children, but putting him on the council was a mistake. Nobody respects someone who condemns others for something they are doing. Hypocrisy is a universally disliked trait.
Ki-Adi Mundi is underrated. In the 2003 Clone Wars show, when General Grievous arrived to fight 5 Jedi, he focused most of his pressuring attacks on Ki-Adi Mundi.
"The Sith have been extinct for a millennia" "He (Dooku) is a political idealist not a murderer" For a guy with such a big head, he can be wrong about many things...
What the Jedi got wrong is that attachment is good its when you get too attached and constantly affraid of loosing something that your emotions into anger and fear.
This is the second video I encounter completely flaming Ki adi Mundi and I need to defend him because a lot of people simply seem to lack the ability to think from another perspective. 1. His species is a 2 brain species known to be highly rational. Therefor developing a stoic mindset so that emotions dont influence your actions is a very rational approach and practical as it helps with the jedis approach on emotion People seem to forget that nlt letting yourself be influenced by emotions is not the same as not caring. Ki adi does care, he is just a stoic and doesnt let him influence it which makes him seem cold He has no ties to his family nor his wifes because he has so many of them and practically cant spend a lot of time with them so obviously he wouldnt be emotionally destroyed as much if smth happens to them. 2. Questioning Ahsoka in light of the evidence considering the fact that hr doesnt know her well is 100% reasonable. Its fking war, everyone can be a traitor 3. Saying that yoda is under dark side influence is a very good suggestion that was partly true due to sidious manipulating yoda. 4. Everyone seems to forget that if the jedi had listened to mundi he would've carried the shit out of them and prevented order 66, he proposed for palpatine to lay down emergency power after grievous death so that if he refuses the jedi can intervene and not just arrest him out of nowhere like windu did. This would've been a politically way smarter move
Mundi gets a lot of undeserved hate. The problem is not necessarily Mundi, it is the system of belief that the jedi order as a whole indoctrinated their members into during this era. Where do you think Mundi learned this behavior? "Death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not. Miss them do not. Attachment leads to jealously. The shadow of greed, that is.” - Yoda "The Jedi Code forbids attachments. I Cared for them [his family] but I tried to remain unattached. It was always...difficult." - Mundi If you want to criticize the jedi of this era you should start with Yoda lol. Love your videos. keep up the good work!
Why maul I’m not trying to be hateful just curious cause while maul was strong he didn’t use force abilities that often the only thing he really used was telekinesis if I wanted to be a master in lightsaber combat id probably choose plo koon or the battle master of the Jedi order cin drallig Cin knew all lightsaber forms while plo koon was 300 years old and was one of the best lightsaber duelists on the council and was even rumored to have beaten yoda
Has anyone else noticed that in some depictions, Mundi’s eyes somewhat resemble the sickly yellow eyes that Sith like Darth Sidious have?? I’m probably looking too far into it but it seems to me that he’s more in touch with the Darkside than other Jedi
Master Luminara Unduli was the same way. When it came to her padawan, Barris Offee. During a battle to destroy a separatist droid production facility Barris was sent in with Ahsoka Tano. They succeeded in their mission, but was trapped in the rubble. Luminara was willing to accept the death of Barris as “The will of The Force”. Anakin was not willing to give up on Ahsoka. There was an episode of this battle in The Clone Wars. Luminara was so cold 🥶 about willing to “let go” and blamed Anakin for being too compassionate with his padawan. Perhaps 🤔 this is what led to Barris becoming rogue with The Jedi. Ki-Adi-Mundi’s men hated him. Especially during the battle of Mygeeto. Many soldiers died needlessly and he seemed very unsympathetic towards them. Though he saved their commanding officer many times, he had a lot of disdain for Ki-Adi-Mundi. When Order 66 was delivered, the clones had no problem enforcing it and violently killed Ki-Adi-Mundi. But if he was considered the “perfect Jedi”, he acted relatively similar to that of a Sith.
Ironic huh? ESPECIALLY when anakin & obi wan searched 4 her & saved her from being infected by that parasitic worm (obi wan was disturbingly curious & wanted to see how the parasite works while anakin KNOWS damn well luminara wanted no part of it)! I think that was the same arc 2!
I am not going to claim to be a Star Wars researcher but I read a lot of the comments and there is something glaringly obviously missing in all of the top comments I read. Mundi was binary brained. Because we have no clue how this biology worked, could we at least give a small benefit of doubt that it was easy for him to compartmentalize his feelings and emotions? All of the comments I read came from the standpoint of single brain anatomy. Perhaps when he was in battle mode it was easy to be emotion free and cold but in private he felt all of his pain and loss. We don't know how his species may have used the binary brain and how easy it may have been for him to separate his feelings. I don't feel like it is fair to hate him without knowing how his biology affected his feelings and how he handled that.
This is one of the reasons why I don’t wanna buy Master Mundi. Because I’m using the Legends version of Luke’s Jedi order and I feel like he would be a bad choice for me to buy
Bullcrap! They'll let me this piece of garbage go "save" his family...but will deny Dooku and not even acknowledge and forget poor Shmi. Doesn't take a Force user to guess Anakins mother remaining in danger and In misery would have a negative impact on Anakin, surly they didn't expect Anakin to just forget about his mother or ateast go back to free her one day, which Anakin said he would. He feels like crap that on the 11 years he never once even thought about going back all to stay loyal and obey the Jedi 😠 sometimes Vaders hatred towards the Jedi is understandable...from a certain point of view lol
@@Dragone38CMold republic jedi were better but still not that great neither Jedi or sith were good they both sucked Luke’s Jedi order is the one I would pick and I don’t even know a lot about it as I didn’t learn much about it I just know that Luke allowed attachments and to study all aspects of the force the sequels version of luke was utterly shit and portrayed him as some idiot who didn’t know how to handle his students even mark didn’t see sequel luke as his luke he felt it was more like Jason
@@Dragone38CM I'd rather be evil than hypothetical,the way some Jedi acted like Mundo was just cruel and dark,only Jedi I would've been is to join Revan 😁
It’s all unfair favouritism. They favoured Ki Adi Mundi getting married, being an absentee father, saving his family and being detached. But never gave Anakin any grace 😡😡😡😡😡
@@Dragone38CM I choose, neither, since both organizations are flawed. I would prefer to remain a human being. Since the Force itself is a curse on all force-sensitive. I learned the truth about the philosophy and ideologies of both Jedi and Sith. We learned that both orders are flawed and cursed under an everlasting destiny. A cycle of war without end, under the control of the force itself. You see it don't you; it's no different than Avatar: The Last Airbender, Naruto, My Hero Academia and so many other beloved cartoons and anime series. Who are cursed with godlike powers and kill one another for the sake of peace, conquest, control, balance, etc. Those who don't use said power wisely or abandon all hope or turn to an evil path thinking they could achieve world domination, revolution or destruction of society. When in reality the answer and lesson was to let go of power or strength. That is not your own and stay a human being. Whether it is the Force, bending, magic, chakra, quirks or superpowers. But I guess that is the moral flaw within us humans. Shackled and chained by philosophies, beliefs, orders, nations and creeds. And can't let go of power that is not our own.
I am unsure if the jedi is based on the Chinese Tao religion but they sure have alot of similarities. Mundi' design is similar to the traditional design of a chinese conservationist/xianren where they have long/large forehead. his belief/Jedi belief is also similar to Tao where detachment to worldly desires & possessions.
He along with Mace Windu, Saesee Tiin, and T'chooka D'oon are some good examples that the Jedi deserved Order 66. Not all of them of course but a good majority did.
He truly exposed the flaws in the Jedi code by bringing it to its logical conclusion the Jedi code says there is no emotion so he decided to become a Vulcan from Star Trek who uses cold calculus to decide who lives and who dies
nah, you need passion for that, dude has nothing and is just empty...i thinkt that is why he is so dogmatic cuz with out his dogma even he would have to face it and realise that there is nothing, this would end the dude
Excellently made video! Ki-Adi-Mundi was definitely an a**wipe of a Jedi, acting like Drago from the Rocky series in regard to his family getting killed.
I feel like mundis "care" or interests in his planet and his family was reallyjist another extent of his narcissism, he caredfor the planet bc thats where HE came from, and for his family bc they came from and were considered an extension of Himself, and for no other reason besides that. He didnt want his planet or family to in anyway cast a bad light on him, and thats the on,y reason he had any interest at all. Ki adi also didnt follow the force, he followed established dogma, for a guy with two brains he was incredibly narrow minded and inflexible.
His lack of grief for his dead family really grinds my gears. Grief isn’t just for yourself, it’s also a sign that you cared for the dead in question and that you’ll remember them. Needless to say we call him a sociopath for a reason. Maybe even a full-on psycho.
He did nothing wrong. He said he was sad about their deaths. But he had to get over it. No different then how everyone has too dude. Everyone grief differently. Not everyone going to cry for weeks. Some people become a workaholic & others drink heavy. He became more of a workaholic. His job was more like a religion for him. Everyone's mad because he didn't cry like other people. I didn't cry when my dad or grandpa died. They was sick with cancer. Vomiting up blood, they was better off dead. So I didn't cry at all. Everyone else did; but Grandpa said don't revived him because the pain was too much 🤷🏾♀️ I was more sad seeing him in pain alive then dead... Not feeling pain at all.
Ki-Adi Mundi is the perfect example of what the Jedi would be if the Dark Side was completely stamped out. A detached, emotionally void person with loyalty to nothing but Jedi ideals.
There's something I disagree with on this video and that's saying that Mace Windu was the example of how wrong the Jedi council was, by comparison Mundi is a much more appropriate example as he displays just how dogmatic and ridgid the Jedi had become as whole, while Mace did jump the gun it was Jedi like Krell and Mundi that made the galaxy turn on the Jedi so readily.
I think generally, it is perfectly acceptable for most Jedi to have certain emotional attachments to close people, such as parents, siblings, a significant other, but the Jedi know through experience that such strong attachments can lead to poor judgment and result in actions that are bad for the Jedi way of life.. with Anakin, they were so weary about him that they went to far in making sure that he would remain on the right path, they were strict and tbh unfair, with all the right intentions.. this made Anakin a bit resentful and showed him that even the best Jedi can be mistaken with their zealous ideas of what makes a Jedi. IMO, his turn to evil still didn't make sense. Came out of left field, bigly. But this makes sense as an attributing factor.
Out of many of the Jedi from the Clone Wars era, it wouldn't have been surprising that if Luke did hear stories about Mundi, he would've been absolutely horrified and disgusted by how he basically did not care about anything. Mace Windu became a symbol to his Jedi Order to outright not get involved with the politics of the government, Mundi would serve as an example of what not to become.
"The Jedi Code forbids attachments. I cared for them but tried to remain unattached. It was always... difficult." - Ki-Adi-Mundi when talking about his wives and family. "There is something very touching about them. They look like soldiers; they fight like soldiers; and sometimes they eventalk like soldiers. They have all the finest qualities of the fighting man. But behind that is nothing - no love, no family, no happy memory that comes from having truly lived. When I see one of these men killed, I weep more for him than for any ordinary soldier who has lived a full and normal life." - Ki-Adi-Mundi on the Galactic Marines under his command. "Greater love has no being than to lay down their life for a friend. Rivi-Anu is now one with the Living Force. It will make me proud to one day join her." - Ki-Adi-Mundi on Jedi knight Rivi-Anu after she sacrificed herself to save Mundi, a number of other Jedi, and their clones. Ah, yes, a totally emotionless and uncaring Jedi. Mundi absolutely cared about many people, RUclipsrs just seem to think he was a complete sociopath for some idiotic reason.
I find similarities between Ki Ady Mundy and Darth Sidious - both of them doesn't really care about anyone in the galaxy. It's possible that Mundy take some aspects of the dark side, without realizing it.
Master Yoda trained this guy, but when Yoda began to hear the voice of Qui-Gon Jin, Mundi suggested to the council that Yoda was the target of a sith plot and was potentially a threat to the other Jedi and the order itself. I understand the gravity of the situation, but it just seemed odd to me that he jumped to the conclusion so fast.
The irony is that he WAS a good Jedi. "Good Jedi" is not equal to "good person", for much the same reason that a popular person is not always a good person. For Mundi himself, his lack of concern for his family certainly does not win him any awards for being that good. At least he followed the Jedi way consistently and did not even make exceptions for himself. However, others cared a great deal and still wound up bad for the galaxy. Nearly everyone that turned to the dark side did so in whole or in part for anger how others were treated. There was greed there for sure, but Anakin and Dooku -- just to name a few, originally got frustrated with the council for its lack of concern long before they let greed overtake them. Only a few Sith, like Palpatine, appear to not have had this good-hearted start. Considering the entire Jedi Council cared more for siding with the Galactic Senate rather than combatting crime and slavery... to say nothing about wars here and there. I think there is something to be said for the fact that Mundi was actually the PERFECT JEDI... but at the same time, a horrible being. 🙃 Even Yoda refused to get involved until it was too late to matter. What does that make Yoda? If you are a Jedi, Yoda seemed to care a lot. But to the rest of the galaxy, Yoda and most of the Jedi turned a blind eye to the pain and suffering around them. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't their fault it happened, but it was their fault it that they ignored it. Back when the Jedi were more likely to get involved to help support peace, it would make them better people. 🙂
I think hatred is very justified. He was cold,distant. Almost psychopathic. He should have look for guidance from other Jedi. He sacrificed his troopers and his family. And his humanity,like you said. This is extreme dogma and riggid. He offered and gave very little. He was bad Jedi,no doubt. May the Force be with you too😊
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The best quote I can think of for the Jedi for much of their existence, but especially by the time of the Clone Wars, comes from a minor side quest npc Padawan in the Star Wars the Old Republic MMO, "The Jedi say that fear and emotions lead to the Dark Side, and yet the Jedi FEAR emotion"
Kinda a hypocritical move, "But mundi is an endangered species, he's allowed a harem"...."Anakin let go of your detachments, oh and we won't free your mom." Makes his that's not fair more justified jedi council...
I havent played the Old Republic so idk the context behind it, but the Jedi are taught emotions and love. There are always going to be bad apples like mundi here, but the Jedi are the true words to live by in the galaxy.
Mace Windu: We are keepers of the peace not soldiers
Ki Adi Mundi: Bring in the flamethrowers.
listen, they're the flamethrowers of peace
@@babs2952 Think you mean Peacethrowers.
A lot of people call him cruel for that but it's not like they were unarmed or innocent he was just fighting enemy soldiers the most effective way he could with the lowest amount of clone deaths
You ever seen the charred corpse of a child start a fight? That's what I thought.
Yeah windu was truly a moron wasn't he? "We aren't soldiers" but we are trained to fight and do when war breaks out...as part of organization. How are they not soldiers? I always wondered why they kept that in. He should have said we aren't SUPPOSED to be soldiers. Clearly they are and have been for millenia.
How could he be terrible? He's the only one on the council who brought up the droid attack on the wookies...
Fair point, my friend.
Fuck the Wookies
He brought it up becauee he was asking if they could pull forces away from helping the wookies.
@@kr-bl9hw D:
many people elevate sentimentality and reflexive empathy and sympathy as some kind of virtue which is naive and somewhat ignorant.
He was a pragmatist, incredibly principled and served what he perceived as greater good. All this made him compassionate in totality of his actions while he didnt show sympathy often.
Mundi was a terrible Jedi overall, but the greatest Jedi of his time's Jedi.
By the time of Mundi, the Jedi had spent almost 1000 years having basically become a giant echo chamber. They only accepted infants to train, who would grow up to train more infants. They did not patrol or act, but wait for orders from the increasingly corrupt Republic. They were so focused on communing with the Force, they lost connection to the Living Force.
In essence, Mundi was the perfect product of his environment, and a perfect example of why said environment was do horrific
Well said. Just well done. Much appreciated.
Very well said and examined by you and Stupendous. Love talking with open and debating star wars fans. There can be a nice chunck of "um actually" people in this fandom lol.
Interesting perspective. I like the point you make that he is a product of his time, but a part of me wants the jedi to be better than that.
I would not want Mundi to be my Jedi Master.
id probably happily turn to the dark side with mundi as my master.
For prequel era Jedi, he'd be really low on the list of potential Jedi Masters. Pong Krell and Jorus C'Baoth would probably be worse, but practically all of the others from that era would be an improvement.
Mundi: This is outrageous. It’s unfair. How can I train you but not be your Jedi Master? What about the droid attack on the Wookies?
@@riffdex take a seat master mundi
“Take it up with Master Yoda! This isn’t a Republic!”
I like to believe the clones that shot him weren't under order 66 they just couldn't tolerate him any longer also yoda is kinda shit as a master dooku was right.
Spot on! 😂
That's my had canon too. Mundi said "Everyone Charge!!!" And bumb rushed into a narrow kill box that only he could survive in AGAIN and they finally said "Ya know what, F- this. Deflect this you filthy casual!" And open fired on his ass.
I thought this was canon for somebody… Mundi maybe? But yeah for that reason the chip had little effect vs their anger for a “general” who gets them killed.
@persuasivebarrier2419 Yeah that's plot. If Masters weren't shit we wouldn't have any sith or dark siders right?
"Execute Order 66." - Saint Palpatine
"Oh thank f****** God, about time." - Mundi's clone troopers
Ki-Adi Mundi: I'm the most hated Jedi.
Pong Krell: Hold my Corellian ale.
Pong is no Jedi 😠
Pong became a Sith.
you know, mundi....
if i were your student i'd happily turn to the dark side and never look back.
And make him my first victim
Ki Adi Mundi: “impossible,
the Sith where extinct for a millennia, tho… there was that one case once with a couple of Jedi missing a century ago…”
The whole council: “I’m sry, what?!”
Ki Adi mundi: “uhh nothing”
Ki Adi Mundi: He’s a political idealist not a murder.
Everyone else: Well that was a f*cking lie.
He could have used a lesson in humility. A lot of people would pay good money to see Dooku just trash him in a duel.
Wasn't this kind of the point regarding the jedi by the time we got to clone wars? They were so wrapped up in the power, influence and arrogance that they couldn't see Palpatines manipulations and they couldn't sense Anakin's fall? They became arrogant, fearing to feel any kind of emotion or attachment while missing the irony of the phrase "fear is the path to the dark side". They spent so much time arrogantly believing the sith could never return only to miss the one literally under their nose
Mundi was past controlled. He was cold. And cold is a dark side emotion all its own. Being empty of compassion is an emotion of its own.
It may sound exaggerated but Mundi was as close as anyone had become to Vitiate before his first death. Vitiate was beyond anger or hate or any other dark emotion by the galactic cold war era. He was empty and cold. He simply acted toward his goal. Mundi didn't have Vitiate's goal, but I dare wager the state if mind they both had as they calculated getting their goal and then threw lives at it would have been eerily similar.
Even Palpatine is like that. Psychopathy signs basically
@roycehuepers4325 I don't know. Palpatine felt anger, he took pleasure in being the dark lord. Mundi and Vitiate just felt nothing. Both Emperor's were the most powerful Sith of their eras but very different emotions.
Maybe... might be better to compare Mundi to Jadus. He and Mundi might have had kinship in how they considered their daughters.
Damn I started reading your comment and in the first words I started thinking 'Vitiate' and you proceeded to mention him.
Yeah those excerpts in the Revan novel mentioning him are creepy...
I don't think being empty of compassion is an emotion since compassion is the connection of emotions. I believe he had emotions, just buried them to the point that no one could tell not even himself most of the time. I don't think emptiness is either bad or good it just is, I personally think its's wrong or incorrect to be more accurate but only intent can be good or bad
@@taetrrtot6205 yes, and Mundi INTENDS to be devoid of emotion, devoid of compassion, and that intention is what is bad, as you note. at least TRY to be consistent.
I never and will never like him. He was such an arrogant man and held far too much pride
So he DID care about someone ... Himself!!
Or to put it differently, "6ft tall, and 7ft up himself!!"
@@frenzalrhomb6919 100% FACTS
It was his fault that Ahsoka left the order. While it saved her from Order 66, it certainly contributed to a lot of Anakin's weariness of the council as well as the war.
Keep in mind that other than Padme, Ahsoka is one of Anakin's closest friends, and closest to a sister. Ki Adi Mundi is one of the main reasons why Vader existed.
Jedi: "Let go of attachment"
*Let's go of attachment
Also jedi: "Omg psycho"
Ha, right?
My favorite part was when he said "what about attack on the wookies"?
I used to call him ice cream cone head man when playing toys with my daughter when they were kids, he is ice cream cone head man
Aww that’s actually cute 😊
doubt it
Was he a good person? Let me think…. Execute.Order 66 at lease Mace Windu loved the Republic deep down and had he not turned to the Darkside. I think he and Anakin could’ve become great friends
...nah. they never liked each other. The jerk never even apologized for the Ashoka Tano fiasco!
@@Deon82 9_9
Windu’s strength was his brittle belief in the Jedi Dogma , not the Code and his blind acceptance of the Republic. Similar to Dooku’s hatred to the corruption of the Republic, Windu was just a bad day from falling to the Dark Side. Palpatine probably considered turning Windu but was worried that Windu was too strong, replacing Palpatine at the first opportunity.
I think IF Windu and Anakin had been able to get along and train together, they both would have benefited and been much stronger, more centered.
“Rules are mostly made to be broken, and are too often for the lazy to hide.”
- Sun Tzu
unflinchingly dogmatic adherence to basically any set of rules or principles, even supposedly good ones like those of the jedi order, will almost always lead the zealot down a dark path. so many ideas and Codes need human reason and emotion for them to truly Work. blind adherence is almost never a good thing.
it makes it SO easy for the deceivers of the world, the palpatines and the satans and so on, to twist your morally "good" ideas into bad ones in practice. and because the zealot cannot deviate from his code or his rules, he cannot see what the devil has done to him, what the devil has turned him into.
i mean, palpatine in a way let the jedi ruin themselves with their own rules and strictures. some of the jedi were so bad that anakin chose Palpatine of all people over them
Sunzi was a brilliant tactician.
Indeed
As in rules are often made to keep others from achieving. Those in power often exploit something to get there before they shut the door.
Sun tzu never said that shit, stop bulshitting. lol
What about The Stupendous Wave Attack on the Mundi?
LMFAO 🤣
He was blindsided and unprepared for attack in the end. His perfectionism didn’t save him
I just thought for being as hyped as he was he could deflect a few more blaster shots lol.😂
Lol he gets so much hate even though he is rarely on screen...only star wars fans can accomplish this feat.....lol
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Fandom echo chamber for you
@@sentinal_entity Ironically, fandom being an "echo chamber" is something you picked up from another RUclipsr. lol
Yup. A lot of misplaced ' hate' against a fictional funny looking cone head bearded humanoid.
@@Commander_Shepard.
Or, some of us have actually operate under our own two braincells lol
@@sentinal_entity Sorry to hear that you only have two brain cells to operate. Hope you get better.
Palpatine: execute-
Barcara: *BLAST BLAST*
Palpatine: damn man I didn’t even finish
Barcara: we’ve all wanted to do that for a while my lord
Palpatine: Fair enough!!!
What’s weird was Mundi actually cared about Shak ti (sorry if I slept that wrong) in the Star Wars 2003 animated movie but in anything else nah just a arrogant man
I’ll just help so u don’t make the mistake again cause assholes will be rude about it it’s spelled Shaak ti
@DarthVader2534 to be fair, it's also not "slept." I know it's autocorrect, but I went for it lol
@@Itachi_Uchiha7283 Shark Tea
I slept w Shaak ti.
This man single handedly predicted the future. Starting the video one of the first sentences he says are about acolytes, and hating kia-di-mundi. Coincidence? Yes probably
Never trust a conehead.
I must be the only Star Wars fan that doesn’t mind Mundi, yes he’s unattached and approaches situations with pure logic yet I think he is given a hard time. One point that always annoys me though is all the videos on him suggest he didn’t care about his family, which is explicitly not true. In fact Mundi said himself he DID care for them but tried to remain unattached inline with the Jedi code but admitted that it was always difficult. So I don’t get why Star Wars researchers far greater than myself overlook this or flat out twist it to make Ki Adi out to be some type of unfeeling Jedi sociopath. He was an example of the Jedi’s flaws to be sure, but this is still somewhat of a harsh view on a layered character.
Sociopath implies unhinged outbursts of anger, which is inaccurate here. Everyone gets that wrong, but they're implying he's a psychopath. And it's mostly, as another post points out, his treatment of Ahsoka and Yoda in the Clone Wars episodes.
@@Swearengen1980My best guess is that confusion between unattached to psychopath. Or people just think he is psychopath because he is unattached and is a byproduct of a anti-life Jedi.
@@Swearengen1980 personally I don’t think he’s either, which is my point; I’ve seen other videos refer to him as both and evil too. Which again all in all I see as harsh view. He is logical and unattached but in the Star War universe that doesn’t mean the same thing as it does in real life. Lets not forget, Ki-Adi isn’t even a human Jedi. We don’t know if Cierians as race are just naturally more logical or have different psyches in general but thats getting to deep into the mud. My point is I think people are harsh on Ki-Adi and the irony is, he is referred to as an extremeist and yet the evidence used to back this up is taking snippets of what he says and taking them to the extreme!
@@StormStar626 I wouldn't say he's always being logical. I'm a very rational, logical, and analytical person and have often been accused of being heartless or a psychopath. When you look at how he treated Yoda re: force ghost or Ahsoka, he really wasn't being logical. He was being obtusely judgmental and self righteously arrogant.
@@Swearengen1980 I disagree while I don’t deny he was arrogant and judgmental I would still argue it was rooted in logic. With Yoda especially his conclusion that Yoda has either becoming too old and his mind is suffering as a result or is under some attack by the Sith is a logical one, since what was really going on was both unheard of and astonishing and difficult to understand so therefore a logical person like Mundi would struggle to accept. Don’t forget its easy to judge because we as views saw the whole story to Mundi all he saw was and aged old being hearing voices no one could hear and even Yoda himself was unnerved and not totally convinced of what he was experiencing and out of all the Jedi on Kenobi was resolute in Yoda being of sound mind and that was more out of blind loyalty.
With Ahsoka, Mundi was harsh and was more concerned about what would happen to the Jedi if they blindly defended Ahsoka based on nothing but her word. In many ways he approached this again with logic, after all they had had Jedi, Clones and Senators turn on them before and so it was no big stretch for it to potentially happen again. He was arrogant and too quick to cast her aside but many of the other members of the council did the same.
I know one thing for sure I would've hated to be a Clone Trooper or Padawan under Mundi. I would've tried to leave the first chance I got.
"There is something very touching about them. They look like soldiers; they fight like soldiers; and sometimes they eventalk like soldiers. They have all the finest qualities of the fighting man. But behind that is nothing - no love, no family, no happy memory that comes from having truly lived. When I see one of these men killed, I weep more for him than for any ordinary soldier who has lived a full and normal life." - Ki-Adi-Mundi on the Galactic Marines under his command.
Unlike what many RUclipsrs seem to think, Mundi actually did care for the men under his command.
if the death of a close person has no impact on you, means the life of said person had no meaning to you...that crosses the territory of psychopathy
Mundi was what he was trained to be, which means he was a terrible Jedi. Lacking compassion, however, should have been a red flag to his ascension to the council or even being granted the title of Master. But the council at this time lacked any compassion for anyone or anything but themselves and thier rigid code.
It's Jedi like Mundi that cause Dark Jedi tae happen.
Trust me on this, I'm a Sith.
A Jedi so horrible even most sith find him to be beyond what’s considered okay even by their very loose standards.
Despite that second part being laughably untrue, yes he was an awful Jedi.
Well, even Palpatine cared enough for Vader to save him on Mustafar. I don't know if it was comedy or not but he seem geniunly worried that Vader would die there. The big bad evil guy of the franchise is more empathic than a supposed "good guy".
I would assume that George got his surname from either the Latin root word "Mundus" which means 1. (noun) World; and 2. (Adjective) Clean.
Or he got it from the term "Spiritus Mundi" which was coined by the poet William Butler Yeats in his poem "The Second Coming".
Yeats believed that each of us is a part of an ordered Universal Mind or "Spiritus Mundi".
God why does Yoda suck at training people so much? Dooku? Evil. Ki-Adi? Dick. And both he and Mace suck at being there for Anakin. Like don't make him a master yet obviously but, don't neglect and abuse him emotionally while a Sith Lord (who they all know is around in the Republic cause Dooku told them) is trying to seduce him to the dark side!
Also Luke, Obi-wan, and Ahsoka are basically the only decent Jedi since they're not sociopaths. Like they actually care about each other unlike the rest of the Council who are monsters.
Mundi is basically the perfect example that even the Light Side can corrupt you.
I'd say it's misunderstandings on the Light Side that can corrupt you.
If you see light through a dark window you're still going to stumble on your way to find it.
@@meganparrish807 let me ask you something can you see anything in a completely bright room? Can you see anything in a completely dark room? This is just one part and understanding the force, that's what I mean by the Light Side corrupting you, but if you're too steep in it you'll be blinded and misguided and it's ways that it will cause Great Harm to a lot of people, hence why Mundi never learn from his mistake with his daughter.
@@meganparrish807 What if the light happens to be an angler fish?
@@bursegsardaukar
When you talk about metaphysical forces that is highly unlikely. If the Force is keeping everything together it doesn't make sense for it to corrupt people naturally because corruption ultimately leads to everything breaking apart.
The Dark Side is a corruption due to misuse of the Force ergo it is unnatural.
Sidious was the angler fish, my guy.
Add: Furthermore, the Jedi's corruption is not due to the Force but their own mortal shortcomings. They do not understand the Force fully or what it wants if it could want anything, long hours of meditation in order to understand and deepen their relationship with the Force wouldn't be necessary if it actually spoke to them in any meaningful way.
The Jedi's problems were entirely because they were people.
@@AnonymousEnigma19nah you are talking moronism go back to pleddit
Yea yea yea...but what about the droid attack on the Wookies?
I really can't believe that there are Jedi like this
In his defense it seems like he's had so much practice with letting go thar it eventually came naturally. But he still had to let go which show that he still somewhat cared. I don't like him, but I can respect tha level of dedication
I get why they allowed him to have children, but putting him on the council was a mistake. Nobody respects someone who condemns others for something they are doing. Hypocrisy is a universally disliked trait.
Ki-Adi Mundi is underrated. In the 2003 Clone Wars show, when General Grievous arrived to fight 5 Jedi, he focused most of his pressuring attacks on Ki-Adi Mundi.
"The Sith have been extinct for a millennia" "He (Dooku) is a political idealist not a murderer" For a guy with such a big head, he can be wrong about many things...
What the Jedi got wrong is that attachment is good its when you get too attached and constantly affraid of loosing something that your emotions into anger and fear.
“Was Ki Adi Mundi a good or bad Jedi?”
Yes 😂
I’d wager a lot of the hate is misplaced. And as a Jedi master he doesn’t really have the luxury of mourning especially during the clone wars
Just checking in after the acolyte has been released and it only miss him look worse…
This is the second video I encounter completely flaming Ki adi Mundi and I need to defend him because a lot of people simply seem to lack the ability to think from another perspective.
1. His species is a 2 brain species known to be highly rational. Therefor developing a stoic mindset so that emotions dont influence your actions is a very rational approach and practical as it helps with the jedis approach on emotion
People seem to forget that nlt letting yourself be influenced by emotions is not the same as not caring. Ki adi does care, he is just a stoic and doesnt let him influence it which makes him seem cold
He has no ties to his family nor his wifes because he has so many of them and practically cant spend a lot of time with them so obviously he wouldnt be emotionally destroyed as much if smth happens to them.
2. Questioning Ahsoka in light of the evidence considering the fact that hr doesnt know her well is 100% reasonable. Its fking war, everyone can be a traitor
3. Saying that yoda is under dark side influence is a very good suggestion that was partly true due to sidious manipulating yoda.
4. Everyone seems to forget that if the jedi had listened to mundi he would've carried the shit out of them and prevented order 66, he proposed for palpatine to lay down emergency power after grievous death so that if he refuses the jedi can intervene and not just arrest him out of nowhere like windu did. This would've been a politically way smarter move
Mundi gets a lot of undeserved hate. The problem is not necessarily Mundi, it is the system of belief that the jedi order as a whole indoctrinated their members into during this era. Where do you think Mundi learned this behavior?
"Death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not. Miss them do not. Attachment leads to jealously. The shadow of greed, that is.” - Yoda
"The Jedi Code forbids attachments. I Cared for them [his family] but I tried to remain unattached. It was always...difficult." - Mundi
If you want to criticize the jedi of this era you should start with Yoda lol. Love your videos. keep up the good work!
If I wanted to have a master to train me in lightsaber and force abilities, it would honestly be Maul
Why maul I’m not trying to be hateful just curious cause while maul was strong he didn’t use force abilities that often the only thing he really used was telekinesis if I wanted to be a master in lightsaber combat id probably choose plo koon or the battle master of the Jedi order cin drallig
Cin knew all lightsaber forms while plo koon was 300 years old and was one of the best lightsaber duelists on the council and was even rumored to have beaten yoda
I'd prolly go Windu or actually Anakin. His training of Ashoka was hard-core but also saved her ass from order 66 and many other situations.
Or maybe when tough calls had to be made, he just accepted his duty and suffered in silence. And was hated for expecting other to do so.
Has anyone else noticed that in some depictions, Mundi’s eyes somewhat resemble the sickly yellow eyes that Sith like Darth Sidious have?? I’m probably looking too far into it but it seems to me that he’s more in touch with the Darkside than other Jedi
Master Luminara Unduli was the same way. When it came to her padawan, Barris Offee. During a battle to destroy a separatist droid production facility Barris was sent in with Ahsoka Tano. They succeeded in their mission, but was trapped in the rubble. Luminara was willing to accept the death of Barris as “The will of The Force”. Anakin was not willing to give up on Ahsoka.
There was an episode of this battle in The Clone Wars. Luminara was so cold 🥶 about willing to “let go” and blamed Anakin for being too compassionate with his padawan. Perhaps 🤔 this is what led to Barris becoming rogue with The Jedi.
Ki-Adi-Mundi’s men hated him. Especially during the battle of Mygeeto. Many soldiers died needlessly and he seemed very unsympathetic towards them. Though he saved their commanding officer many times, he had a lot of disdain for Ki-Adi-Mundi. When Order 66 was delivered, the clones had no problem enforcing it and violently killed Ki-Adi-Mundi. But if he was considered the “perfect Jedi”, he acted relatively similar to that of a Sith.
Ironic huh? ESPECIALLY when anakin & obi wan searched 4 her & saved her from being infected by that parasitic worm (obi wan was disturbingly curious & wanted to see how the parasite works while anakin KNOWS damn well luminara wanted no part of it)!
I think that was the same arc 2!
Ki adi mundi: wait, so yoda can have good relations with the wookies, but I can’t with my family?
Can he be worse than Luminara Unduli?
I am not going to claim to be a Star Wars researcher but I read a lot of the comments and there is something glaringly obviously missing in all of the top comments I read. Mundi was binary brained. Because we have no clue how this biology worked, could we at least give a small benefit of doubt that it was easy for him to compartmentalize his feelings and emotions? All of the comments I read came from the standpoint of single brain anatomy. Perhaps when he was in battle mode it was easy to be emotion free and cold but in private he felt all of his pain and loss.
We don't know how his species may have used the binary brain and how easy it may have been for him to separate his feelings. I don't feel like it is fair to hate him without knowing how his biology affected his feelings and how he handled that.
To be fair Ki-Adi lived the only way that he knew how to. Who am I to say that he is wrong for doing such?
honestly the jedi are pathetic. it was no attachments that caused there downfall
@persuasivebarrier2419 lol
@persuasivebarrier2419 that's the only thing and yet they were still blinded by it
Careful, the SW fans will start sending the actor death threats now.
Wait, you know his address?
Perhaps the Jedi do need to end- but only if they are replaced with something better...by Luke.
This is one of the reasons why I don’t wanna buy Master Mundi. Because I’m using the Legends version of Luke’s Jedi order and I feel like he would be a bad choice for me to buy
Bullcrap! They'll let me this piece of garbage go "save" his family...but will deny Dooku and not even acknowledge and forget poor Shmi. Doesn't take a Force user to guess Anakins mother remaining in danger and In misery would have a negative impact on Anakin, surly they didn't expect Anakin to just forget about his mother or ateast go back to free her one day, which Anakin said he would. He feels like crap that on the 11 years he never once even thought about going back all to stay loyal and obey the Jedi 😠 sometimes Vaders hatred towards the Jedi is understandable...from a certain point of view lol
The Jedi weren’t perfect, I’d take them over the Sith though.
@@Dragone38CMold republic jedi were better but still not that great neither Jedi or sith were good they both sucked Luke’s Jedi order is the one I would pick and I don’t even know a lot about it as I didn’t learn much about it I just know that Luke allowed attachments and to study all aspects of the force the sequels version of luke was utterly shit and portrayed him as some idiot who didn’t know how to handle his students even mark didn’t see sequel luke as his luke he felt it was more like Jason
@@Dragone38CM I'd rather be evil than hypothetical,the way some Jedi acted like Mundo was just cruel and dark,only Jedi I would've been is to join Revan 😁
It’s all unfair favouritism. They favoured Ki Adi Mundi getting married, being an absentee father, saving his family and being detached. But never gave Anakin any grace 😡😡😡😡😡
@@Dragone38CM I choose, neither, since both organizations are flawed. I would prefer to remain a human being. Since the Force itself is a curse on all force-sensitive.
I learned the truth about the philosophy and ideologies of both Jedi and Sith. We learned that both orders are flawed and cursed under an everlasting destiny. A cycle of war without end, under the control of the force itself.
You see it don't you; it's no different than Avatar: The Last Airbender, Naruto, My Hero Academia and so many other beloved cartoons and anime series. Who are cursed with godlike powers and kill one another for the sake of peace, conquest, control, balance, etc.
Those who don't use said power wisely or abandon all hope or turn to an evil path thinking they could achieve world domination, revolution or destruction of society.
When in reality the answer and lesson was to let go of power or strength. That is not your own and stay a human being. Whether it is the Force, bending, magic, chakra, quirks or superpowers.
But I guess that is the moral flaw within us humans. Shackled and chained by philosophies, beliefs, orders, nations and creeds. And can't let go of power that is not our own.
Can you do a video on all the padawans that Yoda trained and what became of them I think that would be amazing!
Pretty long video for Mundi simply telling Anakin to move on.
Another youtuber has uploaded an anti kid adi Mundi video. I am well pleased by this.
Ki Adi Mundi: Guys, for the 200th time. What about the droid attack on the W-
Clone Troopers: LET'S RATTLE EM BOIS
Alright… but what ab the droid attack on the wookies?
I am unsure if the jedi is based on the Chinese Tao religion but they sure have alot of similarities. Mundi' design is similar to the traditional design of a chinese conservationist/xianren where they have long/large forehead. his belief/Jedi belief is also similar to Tao where detachment to worldly desires & possessions.
He along with Mace Windu, Saesee Tiin, and T'chooka D'oon are some good examples that the Jedi deserved Order 66. Not all of them of course but a good majority did.
He dose not seem like a bad guy especially when the order made his not be attached to his own family
But what about the droid attack on the wookies?
The Dark Woman, I wonder if that is the same Woman from the last mission of Jedi Starfighter, I saw a Character with a Name like that
He truly exposed the flaws in the Jedi code by bringing it to its logical conclusion the Jedi code says there is no emotion so he decided to become a Vulcan from Star Trek who uses cold calculus to decide who lives and who dies
He is not a perfect jedi but an excellent Sith
He would be a perfect replacement for Emperor Veshiate
nah, you need passion for that, dude has nothing and is just empty...i thinkt that is why he is so dogmatic cuz with out his dogma even he would have to face it and realise that there is nothing, this would end the dude
Ki-Adi Mundi's rebuttal: "But what about the Droid Attack on the Wookies?"
Excellently made video! Ki-Adi-Mundi was definitely an a**wipe of a Jedi, acting like Drago from the Rocky series in regard to his family getting killed.
That means Palpy did a good thing having him dead. Too bad Anakin did not get to kill him
@@YamamotoKazuo It was very clear that many of the Jedi were anti-clone, but hid their sentiments. Ki-Adi-Mundi did not.
I feel like mundis "care" or interests in his planet and his family was reallyjist another extent of his narcissism, he caredfor the planet bc thats where HE came from, and for his family bc they came from and were considered an extension of Himself, and for no other reason besides that. He didnt want his planet or family to in anyway cast a bad light on him, and thats the on,y reason he had any interest at all. Ki adi also didnt follow the force, he followed established dogma, for a guy with two brains he was incredibly narrow minded and inflexible.
Honestly he is a good guy and you know he was just doing what he had to do
The council ask him to bear no attachment. He followed orders. He is less a fanatic than just a soldier.
His lack of grief for his dead family really grinds my gears. Grief isn’t just for yourself, it’s also a sign that you cared for the dead in question and that you’ll remember them. Needless to say we call him a sociopath for a reason. Maybe even a full-on psycho.
He did nothing wrong. He said he was sad about their deaths. But he had to get over it. No different then how everyone has too dude. Everyone grief differently. Not everyone going to cry for weeks. Some people become a workaholic & others drink heavy. He became more of a workaholic. His job was more like a religion for him. Everyone's mad because he didn't cry like other people. I didn't cry when my dad or grandpa died. They was sick with cancer. Vomiting up blood, they was better off dead. So I didn't cry at all. Everyone else did; but Grandpa said don't revived him because the pain was too much 🤷🏾♀️ I was more sad seeing him in pain alive then dead... Not feeling pain at all.
Ki-Adi Mundi is the perfect example of what the Jedi would be if the Dark Side was completely stamped out. A detached, emotionally void person with loyalty to nothing but Jedi ideals.
There's something I disagree with on this video and that's saying that Mace Windu was the example of how wrong the Jedi council was, by comparison Mundi is a much more appropriate example as he displays just how dogmatic and ridgid the Jedi had become as whole, while Mace did jump the gun it was Jedi like Krell and Mundi that made the galaxy turn on the Jedi so readily.
I refuse to look at the Jedi through the rose colored glasses that gets included for free.
Damn astromechs have more feelings.
He needs too go back too the Coneheads Universe.
I think generally, it is perfectly acceptable for most Jedi to have certain emotional attachments to close people, such as parents, siblings, a significant other, but the Jedi know through experience that such strong attachments can lead to poor judgment and result in actions that are bad for the Jedi way of life.. with Anakin, they were so weary about him that they went to far in making sure that he would remain on the right path, they were strict and tbh unfair, with all the right intentions.. this made Anakin a bit resentful and showed him that even the best Jedi can be mistaken with their zealous ideas of what makes a Jedi.
IMO, his turn to evil still didn't make sense. Came out of left field, bigly. But this makes sense as an attributing factor.
Weird how people have problems with Mundi but will excuse every terrible thing Anakin did including literally slaughtering children lol
but what about the droid attack on the wookies ???
God everyone is super emotional in the comment area about this issue 😂 everyone grief difficulty. It's fine to cry & not too.
Out of many of the Jedi from the Clone Wars era, it wouldn't have been surprising that if Luke did hear stories about Mundi, he would've been absolutely horrified and disgusted by how he basically did not care about anything. Mace Windu became a symbol to his Jedi Order to outright not get involved with the politics of the government, Mundi would serve as an example of what not to become.
I would've prefer Windu to become my master, he's an example of what a Jedi should strive to be alright.
"The Jedi Code forbids attachments. I cared for them but tried to remain unattached. It was always... difficult." - Ki-Adi-Mundi when talking about his wives and family.
"There is something very touching about them. They look like soldiers; they fight like soldiers; and sometimes they eventalk like soldiers. They have all the finest qualities of the fighting man. But behind that is nothing - no love, no family, no happy memory that comes from having truly lived. When I see one of these men killed, I weep more for him than for any ordinary soldier who has lived a full and normal life." - Ki-Adi-Mundi on the Galactic Marines under his command.
"Greater love has no being than to lay down their life for a friend. Rivi-Anu is now one with the Living Force. It will make me proud to one day join her." - Ki-Adi-Mundi on Jedi knight Rivi-Anu after she sacrificed herself to save Mundi, a number of other Jedi, and their clones.
Ah, yes, a totally emotionless and uncaring Jedi. Mundi absolutely cared about many people, RUclipsrs just seem to think he was a complete sociopath for some idiotic reason.
I find similarities between Ki Ady Mundy and Darth Sidious - both of them doesn't really care about anyone in the galaxy. It's possible that Mundy take some aspects of the dark side, without realizing it.
Mundi is a good *Jedi,* but that does not mean he's a *good* Jedi.
I would want plo koon to be my master
Mundi lowkey the future of the verse
Me and a friend have a running joke about Ki-Adi Mundi as he is the perfect master for Anakin.
the reason he got killed in order 66… He mentioned the droid attack on the wookies
He even viewed people with emotion as “ lesser beings”
later when Luke reforms the order Luke himself says that jedi need attachments as it increases a jedi's power. I'm apathetic of mundi..
But... What about the droid attack on the Wookies?
Master Yoda trained this guy, but when Yoda began to hear the voice of Qui-Gon Jin, Mundi suggested to the council that Yoda was the target of a sith plot and was potentially a threat to the other Jedi and the order itself. I understand the gravity of the situation, but it just seemed odd to me that he jumped to the conclusion so fast.
There's nothing wrong with any of this in my opinion, he was a great jedi and person
The irony is that he WAS a good Jedi. "Good Jedi" is not equal to "good person", for much the same reason that a popular person is not always a good person. For Mundi himself, his lack of concern for his family certainly does not win him any awards for being that good. At least he followed the Jedi way consistently and did not even make exceptions for himself. However, others cared a great deal and still wound up bad for the galaxy. Nearly everyone that turned to the dark side did so in whole or in part for anger how others were treated. There was greed there for sure, but Anakin and Dooku -- just to name a few, originally got frustrated with the council for its lack of concern long before they let greed overtake them. Only a few Sith, like Palpatine, appear to not have had this good-hearted start. Considering the entire Jedi Council cared more for siding with the Galactic Senate rather than combatting crime and slavery... to say nothing about wars here and there.
I think there is something to be said for the fact that Mundi was actually the PERFECT JEDI... but at the same time, a horrible being. 🙃 Even Yoda refused to get involved until it was too late to matter. What does that make Yoda? If you are a Jedi, Yoda seemed to care a lot. But to the rest of the galaxy, Yoda and most of the Jedi turned a blind eye to the pain and suffering around them. Don't get me wrong, it wasn't their fault it happened, but it was their fault it that they ignored it. Back when the Jedi were more likely to get involved to help support peace, it would make them better people. 🙂
I think hatred is very justified. He was cold,distant. Almost psychopathic. He should have look for guidance from other Jedi. He sacrificed his troopers and his family. And his humanity,like you said. This is extreme dogma and riggid. He offered and gave very little. He was bad Jedi,no doubt. May the Force be with you too😊