Should you buy metal dice? (Paladin Dice Review)

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  • Опубликовано: 27 окт 2024

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  • @paladinroleplaying2126
    @paladinroleplaying2126 5 лет назад +515

    Thanks for the review, and for taking so long making all those rolls - we appreciate it!

    • @firestar1056
      @firestar1056 5 лет назад +15

      Imagine stepping on the d4

    • @TheWhoamaters
      @TheWhoamaters 5 лет назад +16

      @@firestar1056 calm down satan

    • @dwainespradling9233
      @dwainespradling9233 5 лет назад +21

      Ironically a d4 does 1d4 damage.

    • @JJR93
      @JJR93 4 года назад

      @@dwainespradling9233 IRL caltrops FTW

  • @matteussilvestre8583
    @matteussilvestre8583 5 лет назад +786

    Imagine stepping on a metal d4

    • @ArcaneForge
      @ArcaneForge  5 лет назад +188

      You'd definitely take more than D4 piercing damage!

    • @virus6765
      @virus6765 5 лет назад +55

      Lego users know nothing compared to d4 users.

    • @samconsumespie1012
      @samconsumespie1012 5 лет назад +39

      So metal dice work effectively as caltrops

    • @samconsumespie1012
      @samconsumespie1012 5 лет назад +6

      My metal dice hurt a little when I hold them

    • @sharksuperiority9736
      @sharksuperiority9736 5 лет назад +2

      M Silvestre ohhhhhhh, I don’t want to

  • @orHekt
    @orHekt 5 лет назад +401

    To be honest 100 rolls is a fairly small sample set especially for a d20.
    Not really judging it is a super boring thing to do. I am just saying the variance you would see in a set off 100 rolls is not really enough to provide stastical evidence of how the dice are weighted.

    • @benjaminbenrachmiel8952
      @benjaminbenrachmiel8952 5 лет назад +53

      That's not entirely correct. We can make a decent statistical analysis, as he provides his full list of data and we are comparing to a known, albeit imaginary, uniformly distributed d20. While the paladin die has a higher average, running a t-test, we can see that with 95% confidence, which is a typical benchmark for amateur investigation, the paladin die doesn't vary statistically significantly from an imaginary uniform die. The p-value I came up with was 0.46. I can link you to the data and analysis if you'd like.

    • @edsiefker1301
      @edsiefker1301 5 лет назад +4

      @@benjaminbenrachmiel8952 p=0.46?

    • @benjaminbenrachmiel8952
      @benjaminbenrachmiel8952 5 лет назад +10

      @@edsiefker1301 Yep, far too high to indicate statistically significant difference.

    • @adameves5970
      @adameves5970 5 лет назад +34

      @@benjaminbenrachmiel8952 What he's saying is that the more possible results a die can give, the more rolls would be needed. A 20 sided die only gives each face an equal chance to get 5 results in 100 rolls, whereas a D6 would have a chance to get 16+ results. Basically, if you did 60 rolls with a D6, you would have to do 200 rolls with a D20 to get a fair amount of data from each. It's based on possible outcomes, not total rolls. By your logic you could do 100 rolls with a D100 and get an accurate read, which is untrue.

    • @jbaidley
      @jbaidley 5 лет назад +17

      @@benjaminbenrachmiel8952 A t-test only tests your mean, it doesn't test the distribution. Also, the t-test assumes normality and this is a uniform distribution.

  • @etymike
    @etymike 5 лет назад +82

    Don't second-guess yourself, Josh!
    "one of my dice" is correct: it describes a single die ("one") from ("of") the plural group ("my dice")

    • @Thalanox
      @Thalanox 5 лет назад +4

      "My favourite dice (singular)" is still wrong, though.

    • @phalspar
      @phalspar 3 года назад

      @@Thalanox exactly it’s **favorite**

    • @ericdpeerik3928
      @ericdpeerik3928 2 года назад

      Never say die 🤔

  • @rodneykelly8768
    @rodneykelly8768 5 лет назад +193

    The die you sawed in half had a "VOID" in the middle, not an air bubble. When hot plastic in a mold, especially a mold with large cavities, cools, it contracts. Because the walls of a cavity cool first, they form a solid structure. The plastic in the center takes longer to cool and will contract toward the walls. This results in an area at the center of the cavity that is as close to a perfect vacuum as you can get on Earth.

    • @holloszaboakos
      @holloszaboakos 5 лет назад +16

      It is a very interesting task to eliminate these kind of vacuums during production. Actually you have to keep the top warm so the vacuum sucks more material in..

    • @gummostump4217
      @gummostump4217 5 лет назад +19

      Cool, that means my big d20 has enough vacuum in it to clean my house.

    • @fenwah1
      @fenwah1 5 лет назад +39

      Slighty pedantic note: While I don't doubt it is at a pretty low pressure, the void in a die is nowhere near the best vacuum on earth... Hot plastic outgasses like crazy, as evidenced by its strong odour, so there will be tons of volatiles in there floating around. Even ignoring the effects of heat during production, the vapour pressure of plastics at room temperature is at best on the order of around 10^-8 Torr. Ultra high vacuum systems such as you might find at a particle accelerator can reach as low as 10^-12 Torr. There is a reason that vacuum chambers are made of specially prepared stainless steel and not plastic.

    • @SeedlingNL
      @SeedlingNL 5 лет назад +2

      You get a better vacuum sticking your head out of the ISS, and it's not even outside the atmosphere :P (It's just really, really thin at that altitude.)

    • @rickharper4533
      @rickharper4533 5 лет назад +2

      SeedlingNL yes, thats everywhere, there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum.

  • @hangarrat
    @hangarrat 5 лет назад +159

    Our DM has battered his wooden table with using metal dice, after a few choice words from his wife he now uses a gaming mat!
    We both use Paladin Dice, they’re awesome.

    • @loka7783
      @loka7783 5 лет назад +2

      I have metal dice (I forget from where) but I find it's easy to avoid damaging the table we game on by simply putting the duo-tang that hold all of my characters and other papers where I am going to roll. Note the particular duo-tang I am using has a solid frame so it doesn't give way some others might. Just my two cents for possibly saving some money rather than buying a gaming mat. :)

    • @mynamejeff4883
      @mynamejeff4883 3 года назад +1

      That is exactly my worry. I am afraid to damage my table so I have yo invest in a mat or some sort of rolling surface before I buy the metal sets my sons want for their game.

  • @Ellanion
    @Ellanion 5 лет назад +38

    A lot of people are yelling in comments about sample size in an unconstructive manner, and since I too reacted, I thought I'd share some numbers.
    On 100 rolls a D6 should roll each number about 17 (16,66...) times with a margin of error of about 5. That means if it rolls a one 22 times and a six 11 times that's still perfectly reasonable. With a D20 the acceptable range becomes huge with just 100 rolls.
    Without boring you with extensive math, I'd conclude that to get a reasonable amateur level confidence that your dice weren't heavily biased (all dice are biased, the goal is just to have it be a low enough level that it doesn't matter) you'd need to roll about 100 times per possible result on the die, and then look at the percentages of each result and decide if they were within an acceptable parameter for you (since, again, all dice are biased, and the odds of actually rolling exactly equal amounts of each face are astronomically low).
    Also, dice as singular is correct in American English. Die as singular is the British version. One's not superior to the other, no need to feel bad.

    • @j2dragon109
      @j2dragon109 5 лет назад +2

      A commenter below ( Samuel Forster ) says the opposite about the whole die/dice debacle.

    • @MK-13337
      @MK-13337 5 лет назад +1

      I would roll them 1000x the number of faces. So 20 000 for the d20. Should be a decent-ish sample for a mathematician like me

    • @lukebrookshire1567
      @lukebrookshire1567 5 лет назад +2

      Ellanion That over simplifies it. (J2Dragon)
      In absolute/literal cases, when referring to an individual die the word will always be die; in looser/nonliteral cases dice (can) refer()s to all of the dice in question, be it zero, one, multiple, or multiples, until a distinction must be or has already been made.

    • @MK-13337
      @MK-13337 5 лет назад +3

      @@lukebrookshire1567
      mice - mouse
      Lice - louse
      Dice - douse
      Makes sense

    • @konayasai
      @konayasai 5 лет назад

      dice (n.)
      plural of die (n.), early 14c., des, dys, plural of dy, altered 14c. to dyse, dyce, and 15c. to dice. "As in pence, the plural s retains its original breath sound, probably because these words were not felt as ordinary plurals, but as collective words" [OED]. Sometimes used as singular 1400-1700. Dice-box "box from which dice are thrown in gaming" is from 1550s.

  • @DrinkGameRepeat
    @DrinkGameRepeat 5 лет назад +58

    Isn't it salt and water? Sugar won't give you the most accurate results.

    • @Alex-yl8dz
      @Alex-yl8dz 5 лет назад +15

      DrinkGameRepeat the idea is that you increase the density of the liquid to be higher than that of the di. Salt is usually used but water can absorb more sugar, so overall the density is increased enough to allow the dice to float and thus to see a bias in the dice.

    • @DrinkGameRepeat
      @DrinkGameRepeat 5 лет назад +3

      @@Alex-yl8dz From personal experience, and according to friends and other D&D blogs, salt has still worked better. Maybe because it gives it more buoyancy? I don't know the specifics of why, other than changing the density, only seen the results of both.

    • @Alex-yl8dz
      @Alex-yl8dz 5 лет назад +4

      DrinkGameRepeat salt may work better, but sugar still works. Salt may make it more buoyant, sugar makes it buoyant all the same

    • @Xalor69
      @Xalor69 5 лет назад +4

      Any soluble compound will work. Sugar is more soluble than salt, so it actually is better in that respect. But since either will allow you to create a solution with density > plastic, then they're actually equivalent from that point of view. Personally, I would use epsom salt, since it's slightly easier to clean up, and isn't sticky.

  • @beanscoped6437
    @beanscoped6437 5 лет назад +66

    3:17 You put the d8 and d12 in the wrong holes. YOU MONSTER

    • @dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668
      @dolphinboi-playmonsterranc9668 5 лет назад +9

      This crime must not go unpunished

    • @KitFox1011
      @KitFox1011 5 лет назад +7

      Roll for initiative!

    • @smithy1578
      @smithy1578 5 лет назад

      We must revolt I’ll be the cleric of the healing domain

    • @arthilas_
      @arthilas_ 5 лет назад

      @@KitFox1011 natural 20! Together with my +5 dex, that makes 25! xD

  • @levi1929
    @levi1929 4 года назад +6

    Hi! Ok, I haven’t seen the video yet but the answer to the question “should I buy metal dice?” is YES!
    Metal dice feel so much better, and the styles are cooler than plastic dice (even stylish chessex dice).
    I’ve gone metal and all other dice feel like flimsy toys to me now.

  • @apocalypticmoth6040
    @apocalypticmoth6040 5 лет назад +27

    Thank you for stating your ethics. I have no doubt in my mind that you are unbiased. Great video as always.

    • @bentosan
      @bentosan 5 лет назад +2

      He received the item without paying, that makes him at least slightly biased, stating the fact he got them for free is required by law. At best you could call the review honest but definitely not unbiased.

    • @ArcaneForge
      @ArcaneForge  5 лет назад +1

      I don't legally have to say how I came by them @@bentosan, but if it helps, I plan to give them away to viewers soon.

    • @bentosan
      @bentosan 5 лет назад +1

      Arcane Forge I used to do blogging (for a US based company) and it was a legal requirement we state when we received items when doing articles that included them. I just assumed you were US based which may be a mistake on my part. Wired has an article on it if you google “FTC TELLS AMATEUR BLOGGERS TO DISCLOSE FREEBIES OR BE FINED”. Stating your association is definitely the morally correct thing to do so I commend you on that.

    • @bentosan
      @bentosan 5 лет назад +1

      As far as giving the item away that’s up to you to decide. I don’t think it completely removes the bias but it certainly doesn’t hurt and I’m sure your audience would appreciate it. Please excuse my matter of fact approach to the topic, I certainly don’t think any less of you for accepting any items for review and wouldn’t think less of you for keeping it to yourself either.

  • @DavidMBebber
    @DavidMBebber 5 лет назад +25

    You can still do the floating test if you can get enough mercury to float the dice in.

  • @hopelesspink7177
    @hopelesspink7177 5 лет назад +14

    The whole video I couldn't stop thinking about stepping on the D4

  • @guamae
    @guamae 5 лет назад +24

    Standard Deviations and Average Values might be more .... enlightening when comparing lots of rolls.
    In any event, nice to see some good-ol' TEDIOUS Maths done to dice!

    • @VulpeculaJoy
      @VulpeculaJoy 5 лет назад

      Aggree

    • @Xalor69
      @Xalor69 5 лет назад

      If you calculate the deviation from the expected average number of rolls (7 would be +2, 3 would be -2, on 100 rolls of a d20, with average expected number of rolls being 5), then graph using a line graph, the results are easier to interpret. Also, I'd suggest you need 400+ rolls so you can see irregularities beyond standard deviation.

  • @TableTopNerdCast
    @TableTopNerdCast 5 лет назад +3

    As a Christmas present for all my players at the Well That Didn't Work Crew Member channel and podcast team, I purchased each a set of metal dice. We found that the dice sound picks up better at the table when we use them, where as before with the standard plastic style dice, we would get questions about our actual game play sessions if we were fudging rolls since people could not hear them!

  • @zetsumeinaito
    @zetsumeinaito 5 лет назад +6

    3 words: Dice Balancing Caliper
    The trick to getting cheap ones, is just get a $2 clamp and mirror polish the flats that hold the Di. Spin the dice on corners, and you'll find out quick if there's a bias. Is it work? yes. Still saves you a solid 50 bucks.

  • @davedujour1
    @davedujour1 5 лет назад +24

    The bar graph is a terrible way to represent this data. A simple line chart, probably with 3 lines for the 3 different type of die, would show the "evenness" of the rolls and compare to each other type of dice. The bars make it difficult to visually compare one value to another.
    Also, the die number "10/20/30/etc." is a d10, not a d100. It doesn't have 100 sides, it's just another d10 to make a percentile roll easier with a "normal" numbering of d10. A d100 looks like a golf ball.

    • @Quandry1
      @Quandry1 5 лет назад +4

      The correct term for that kind of d10 is a percentile die. It just happens to easily double for a regular d10. The two by technicality are different.

    • @adameves5970
      @adameves5970 5 лет назад +1

      @@Quandry1They both have 10 faces. Means they are the same.

    • @MonkeyJedi99
      @MonkeyJedi99 5 лет назад

      In out group we call it a "tens die" or "tens-ten"

    • @lordwindgrace
      @lordwindgrace 5 лет назад

      I would have also liked to see at least some statistics... i.e. averages, standard deviation, etc.

  • @halelloyd
    @halelloyd 5 лет назад +71

    You should do the float test in liquid mercury, if the dice are steel it should float (maybe most metals too? not sure). That would honestly be a great video!

    • @TumluGaming
      @TumluGaming 5 лет назад +11

      Cody's Lab Cooperation coming up? :D

    • @halelloyd
      @halelloyd 5 лет назад +7

      Then Cody should cast a solid gold d20! lol @@TumluGaming

    • @whoaitstiger
      @whoaitstiger 5 лет назад +9

      That would be awesome! Aluminum, zinc, iron, copper, silver and lead will all float in mercury because they have a lower density. Gold has a higher density and will sink, but I don't think I'm going to be buying solid gold dice anytime soon. :D

    • @IrrevMike
      @IrrevMike 5 лет назад +20

      Personally, I'd be worried about inhaling mercury fumes. That stuff's toxic.

    • @whoaitstiger
      @whoaitstiger 5 лет назад +1

      ​@@IrrevMike My dad used to handle it in school as a kid in the 50s, no one knew any better. It's disturbing to think of now!

  • @ashleygillespie-horne6429
    @ashleygillespie-horne6429 5 лет назад +2

    This is pretty cool. I saw Paladin Roleplaying on Amazon by accident, and been perving at their metal sets for a while now.
    I got my first metal set for Christmas, and after enjoying the heft of them I'll never roll plastic again.
    My current set is 24k gold plated which is lovely, but the numbers are *also* gold and therefore not very clear. These Paladin ones in the video seem to have very clear numbering and there's a pristine beauty to them, so I might get a set...

  • @edsiefker1301
    @edsiefker1301 5 лет назад +11

    Metal dice are sharp and heavy. They will leave marks on your table. You will need a rolling tray. Ah, uh, dice rolling tray. ;D
    You could make this long, arduous, boring project into a long, interesting, and fun one if you spent your time automating the project. A cheap camera and OpenCV would have been a lot more fun to play with.

  • @arwo1143
    @arwo1143 5 лет назад +26

    Never EVER slam you hand on a metal d4
    I did it
    It hurts
    It hurts ALOT
    I rammed my copper d4 in the skin between my left hands middle and ring finger
    Much worse than having a cutter blade in the thumb (did that too, also not fun)

    • @cl0udbear
      @cl0udbear 5 лет назад +3

      A plastic one will do that, too. They just tend to have had their edges rounded off in a rock tumbler.

    • @denzelpanther240
      @denzelpanther240 5 лет назад

      dont hurt the alot its a cute creature

    • @smithy1578
      @smithy1578 5 лет назад

      Some mistakes where made

  • @joshuasteel3543
    @joshuasteel3543 5 лет назад +6

    Spectacular video! We sre always eager to see the next vid.

  • @VincentOak
    @VincentOak 5 лет назад +7

    I tested a d20 at work when I was bored as there was nothing to do. It strongly evened out at about 1000 rolls

  • @fenwah1
    @fenwah1 5 лет назад +2

    Advice for doing those dice tests: set up your camera and throw the whole set in at once. Do this a bunch of times, then skip through the footage later and record all the numbers. This is way faster than rolling every dice individually and constantly swapping between rolling and recording data.

  • @GeekzAnonymous
    @GeekzAnonymous 5 лет назад +3

    What's throwing you off is that it's "dice" no matter the number across the pond.
    Even game systems like Games-Workshop for 40k and Warhammer use the term "dice" for a singular die.

  • @voltsoftruthBSbuster
    @voltsoftruthBSbuster 3 года назад +1

    I just purchased a set of titanium dice. The stupid thing is a set is considered one die, so to get 2 you have to purchase 2 sets, which to me would seem that you should get 4 dice. But anyway just wanted to let you know they are probably the best dice I've used, very durable, solid construction but still not very heavy. They each weight 11g. If you ever get a chance give titanium a try. I also have brass dice, and granite dice. The granite are very nice but each time I roll them and bang them into each other I fear ill break a piece. Personally I've never broke one, but have seen people chip the edges, which is a shame cause they loose their stunning looks immediately once they have chips. Thats another benefit of titanium I don't have to worry about chipping, cracking, breaking, and you can heat them up to 2500F and roll them while they are glowing bright red, your game set with all the pieces will ignite and your table might catch on fire but I'm sure it will be stunning to see them burn through everything they land on, assuming you can figure out a method to roll them at that temp.

  • @flumphflumph6021
    @flumphflumph6021 5 лет назад +5

    Yo Arcane Forge . In the Uk it is just Dice, like Sheep. So we kind of think people in the USA are kind of weird for saying Die. So float your boat how ever you want.

    • @j2dragon109
      @j2dragon109 5 лет назад

      Wait, what. A commentator ( Ellanion ) above says the opposite.

    • @konayasai
      @konayasai 5 лет назад

      dice (n.)
      plural of die (n.), early 14c., des, dys, plural of dy, altered 14c. to dyse, dyce, and 15c. to dice. "As in pence, the plural s retains its original breath sound, probably because these words were not felt as ordinary plurals, but as collective words" [OED]. Sometimes used as singular 1400-1700. Dice-box "box from which dice are thrown in gaming" is from 1550s.
      In other words, Samuel is full of it.

  • @thepenguinhouse
    @thepenguinhouse 5 лет назад +2

    Your commitment to data collection is one to be proud of

  • @nathanwhitfield7834
    @nathanwhitfield7834 5 лет назад +1

    An interesting result from my own testing, my hit dice very often tend to roll a 1

  • @HLR4th
    @HLR4th 5 лет назад

    Nice video. I purchased two sets of Paladin dice as Christmas presents. Both recipients were extremely happy and impressed. I gave a dice tray along with one of them, worried about dents in wooden tables. For the satisfying weight and great sound the dice make, dents, or a tray are well worth it! The Paladin Dice were available on Amazon in the US (and on PRIME). My ONLY enhancement request for Paladin would be a set with two D20's, so we can roll advantage in style!

  • @occultnightingale1106
    @occultnightingale1106 5 лет назад +1

    I've been exclusively using metal dice (I got a set for Christmas two years ago) and I've been rather satisfied with the results, in that I have not been noticing a favoritism towards any certain results.
    The only issue is that they kind of beat up whatever I roll them on, and I needed to invest in a less easily-damaged surface.

    • @mortendreier4446
      @mortendreier4446 5 лет назад

      I roll mine on my sheet. Under the sheet I have the folder I have the sheet in. As of yet I have not caused any scratches or damage to the table we sit at.

  • @thespiritdragon
    @thespiritdragon 5 лет назад

    I put the D20s through a Chi-Squared formula (helps seeing if your data is statistically abnormal). The paladin D20 rated at 3.667, Red is 7.333, and the Peacock is 9.4.
    Higher than CV of 30.14 (p=0.05, DF=19) indicates a statistical oddity such as potentially off-balance dice. As such, the Paladin dice are easily the fairest, however, none should be considered off balance by any stretch according to this method.
    Bonus: When you group them into 4 groupings of 1-5, 6-10, 11-15, and 16-20 (p=0.05, df=3, CV = 7.815) the Paladin = 0.44, Red = 6.88, Peacock = 2.84. While none break the CV, the Red dice have the highest value here (while being middle before) while the Paladin continues to be the lowest by far indicating (to me at least) they are VERY well made for balance and fair-rolling.
    For those wondering, I don't own Paladin dice or have any affiliation. I'm just a nerd who has recently been doing tests like this myself and got curious what the math said vs pure observation. Been thinking of getting a metal set, definitely going to look into Paladin dice after this. Also, I fully realize I may have miscounted on a couple of numbers. It shouldn't throw the values off by very much though considering none of them were particularly close to breaking the CV anyway.

  • @thatoneguy2274
    @thatoneguy2274 5 лет назад

    theoretically, you could do the water/sugar (or water/salt) trick with metal dice, using some other liquid. as long as the die floats in the liquid it'll work. so all you have to do is find a liquid that has a higher density. one that comes to mind is mercury, but if you do that, be very careful and clean thoroughly, and check wether the type of metal the dice are made out of doesnt react with mercury beforehand.

  • @matthewenokson4251
    @matthewenokson4251 5 лет назад

    I'm to lazy to do the work but if you wanted to you could follow up with this: A die should add up to a standard number on opposing sides (ex 21 on a D20 or 7 on a D6) and there are fairly standard templates for dice. Arranging data as 1-20 might not show "weightedness" well. If you arranged according to the template it may show more of a trend to the weighted side if there is one. I realized it on the D6 chart when the 1 had higher numbers but the 6 showed standard. If it was weighted to the 1 the 6 should have comparably low numbers but it doesn't. Oh and I found one of my d20s was weighted to the 3 when I did the sugar water test so thanks for showing that!

  • @calebshaffer2283
    @calebshaffer2283 5 лет назад +1

    I have a gold colored D20 that is about the size of a golf ball. I don't roll it on a wooden table, but I threaten my players with it regularly lol. I have a total of 3 sets of metal dice. I love them for all the same reasons you do.

  • @chrisgriffith1573
    @chrisgriffith1573 5 лет назад

    For metal dice, I covered my "die rolling space" with two materials: a smooth 1/8" thick foam which I found from popular kitchen draw covering supplies, and then the well know felt color of my choice.

  • @CMDRFandragon
    @CMDRFandragon Год назад

    I just rolled the d6 from this first set of metal dice I got. They seemed to roll fairly even with a slight tendencey to roll 6.
    In 200 rolls, I got 32 each of 1's, 2's, 4's and 5's. I got 28 4's and 44 6's

  • @RiverSiege
    @RiverSiege 5 лет назад

    I use gravity dice for my games, unlike many other dice they aren't mould poured (the same process that creates uneven plastic ones) but instead CNC cut. The ends are chamfered so they aren't sharp and they're made of lightweight aluminium so they won't wreck your table.

  • @HermenegildGaido
    @HermenegildGaido 5 лет назад

    If you want to know if a value appears more often than it should, use the chi-square test (there are free programs that can help you to calculate it). Looking at chart by own eye
    may be misleading.

  • @mauriciolacruz
    @mauriciolacruz 2 года назад

    I'm a newbie in this world and have noticed the following about the 7 dice set I received:
    1. The opposite sides on the D6, D12 and D20 dice sum the same, as it should:
    D6: (1/6) (2/5) (3/4)
    D12: (1/12) (2/11) (3/10) (4/9) (5/8) (6/7)
    D20: (1/20) (2/19) (3/18) (4/17) (5/16) (6/15) (7/14) (8/13) (9/12) (10/11)
    2. The opposite sides on the D8 and two D10s, however, do not sum the same:
    D8: (1/2) (3/4) (5/6) (7/8)
    D10: (0/1) (2/3) (4/5) (6/7) (8/9)
    D10: (00/90) (10/80) (20/50) (30/40) (60/70)
    And the sequence on these dice neither follow any logic nor match one another, as the order looks scrambled for instance on both D10s. Here below the numbering on these two dice from left to right by hemispheres:
    D10: (0-8-2-6-4) and (3-9-1-5-7)
    D10: (00-40-60-20-80) and (70-30-90-10-50)
    When, to match one another, it should be:
    D10: (0-8-2-6-4) and (3-9-1-5-7)
    D10: (00-80-20-60-40) and (30-90-10-50-70)
    Or:
    D10: (0-4-6-2-8) and (7-3-9-1-5)
    D10: (00-40-60-20-80) and (70-30-90-10-50)
    Or perhaps better (unscrambled):
    D10: (0-2-4-6-8) and (1-3-5-7-9)
    D10: (00-20-40-60-80) and (10-30-50-70-90)
    Maybe other makers do it correctly, but these (Chinese 😖) are the ones I've got.
    3. Both D10s are not numbered starting by "1" (1-10) and (10-100) like all other dice do, but (0-9) and (00-90).
    Yes, I know these dice are mainly used for percentages (%), but still is somewhat weird starting by "0" and "00" instead of by "1" and "10", despite you can assume when you need the "0" is "10" and the "00" is "100".

  • @DnDnBeer
    @DnDnBeer 5 лет назад

    I bought the silver set two months ago. Very nice. I would have liked a set of 11 rather than 7, and at present they're sold out of their d6 set and do not sell single d20s. Hopefully Paladin will soon begin selling single dice so I can collect a matching set of 11. Thanks for the review!

  • @CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb
    @CarlosRodriguez-dd4sb 5 лет назад

    You can use a crayon to fill in the numbers on the peacock dice so they are more visible. If you want test how random the rolls are look up comparison of proportions. You could also compare the means.

  • @EllPro
    @EllPro 5 лет назад

    I got all three sets of MinMax metal dice from Amazon. The sets are only $10 each, they roll perfectly, they feel nice and solid and perform better than a $50 set ever will.

  • @jade_capricorn
    @jade_capricorn 5 лет назад +1

    You're not supposed to store metal dice in a high-friction environment such as a dice bag or a dice vault. Ideally metal dice should be put in snug cases that separate each die such as the case it comes in. If you don't care about scratches or dulling the dice then feel free to ignore this then I suppose.

  • @earthobserver1007
    @earthobserver1007 5 лет назад +6

    Rolls are quicker with metal dice, they don't roll as much, loud as hell though.

  • @supersneakyshrub3975
    @supersneakyshrub3975 5 лет назад

    I appreciate metal dice because they've got more heft for obvious reasons. Also theres nothing more satisfying for a dwarf barb than chucking heavy objects across your table each turn.

  • @rhiannonmacnair6856
    @rhiannonmacnair6856 5 лет назад +7

    He rolled a lot of dice 2,400 to be exact

  • @rubenbanuelos2699
    @rubenbanuelos2699 5 лет назад +1

    If you have several sets of the same plastic die, you can weight them all together to get a better reading.

  • @ricktedder4749
    @ricktedder4749 5 лет назад

    try covering your dice tower with a rubber or high friction material it prevents the dice from sliding and causes them to tumble more but with light plastic dice they stop in the middle

  • @noctairedorvoxin0
    @noctairedorvoxin0 5 лет назад

    Love these videos. Keep up the good work. One critique. Data organization. When comparing the looks and mass of each dice, it's more efficient to group them together. Show all the d20s together. Then all the d12s. Helps people compare differences. Even more important would be how you presented the data. In this case I would group all of the numbers together for each die. What you are looking for is an even distribution for all numbers for each die, to determine how fair it is. Just some ideas.

  • @TheLastSoundNL
    @TheLastSoundNL 5 лет назад

    I would also take note of the opposite result of a roll, with the exception of a d4 as it has none. Like rolling a lot of 1 on a d6 would result in a small number of 6 if it was a bad die. That didn't happen, it was instead the 4 that was low.

  • @MartialNico
    @MartialNico 5 лет назад

    Chi-square tests. The statistical tests you're looking for are Chi-square tests, which test for frequency. You can easily do those yourself in excel, but I'm sure people in the comments here are willing to help.

  • @adamconnor1898
    @adamconnor1898 4 года назад

    There is this thing called "statistics" that could be used to have a much sounder analysis of whether the variation is consistent with random chance.

  • @thebeardedmike
    @thebeardedmike 5 лет назад

    Hey brother, great video! Where is that dice tower from? Looks like just what I’m looking for.

  • @DoubtlessCar0
    @DoubtlessCar0 5 лет назад

    This may be a bit too much effort but I would've found out the metal composition of the dice tested their volume then multiplied the average weight of the metal compound with the volume to find what the weight should be then weigh it to find out if it matches.

  • @danielpierce922
    @danielpierce922 5 лет назад

    Thanks for this! Still can’t believe you rolled each 100 times. That’s a lot of nope! They will scratch up a table, but you can always use a dice roller. On a solid wooden table that’s used for games (like DnD, Pathfinder, Starfinder, etc.), the dents of metal dice gives it a nice character. Of course, I’m talking over a long time. Also, HUGE fan of the multicolored dice set.

  • @Sw-nn6le
    @Sw-nn6le 5 лет назад

    I have a set of metal dice and I really like it. I love the heaft to them and they land with a foreboding THUD. I've noticed that they do not roll much, if at all, once they hit the table. Other than that, this may be my long term set.

    • @MiniHicks
      @MiniHicks 5 лет назад

      yeah, ive noticed with metal dice you need to roll them a lot more in the hand before dropping them than with a plastic dice. although ive found that a metal dice with roll very nicely on neoprene (like a mouse mat) even with a very gentle roll

  • @KingAm0
    @KingAm0 5 лет назад +3

    So...uh, that's not how probability works. For this, you would use the chi square test.

    • @milhousevanhoutan9235
      @milhousevanhoutan9235 5 лет назад

      Or at the very least an average to see of it regresses to the mean. In theory a fair d6 should give a number close to the mean of 3.5 over 100 rolls a d20 10.5 etc

  • @ericpeirce5598
    @ericpeirce5598 5 лет назад

    I used to do this kind of roll test with my dice. His results for the d20 give it a 10.84 average per roll. A true average would be 10.5, so it is not too far off the average for only 100 rolls.

  • @jadedatheist1828
    @jadedatheist1828 4 года назад

    I had some dice I'd purchased way back in the day. One of the d20's rolls about 60%+ 20's or 1's, and 40% of any other 18 sides.

  • @ATMOSK1234
    @ATMOSK1234 5 лет назад

    You could probably still do the fluid test with a ferrofluid solution if the dice are made of aluminum or some light weight alloy.

  • @kharnthebetrayer4867
    @kharnthebetrayer4867 5 лет назад +5

    Really nice experiment, but i would have compared these three dice also to a number generator. This way we could better compare if the unusual peaks are by chance or by failure in production.

    • @ArcaneForge
      @ArcaneForge  5 лет назад +1

      Firstly; Blood for the Blood god!
      Secondly; That would have been an amazing idea! I wish I'd thought of that at the time. I'll make sure to do that if anyone else sends me dice in the future!
      Cheers for the suggestion!

    • @felixbillington6151
      @felixbillington6151 5 лет назад

      Maybe use a chi squared test

  • @grystle3091
    @grystle3091 5 лет назад +1

    A sample size of 100 rolls for a 20 sided die is not very much. Would have loved to see a larger sample to really confirm if there is a bias or not.

  • @steveharrison76
    @steveharrison76 5 лет назад

    My wife has some of their dice sets and she loves them! Personally, I can definitely recommend them as she was chuffed when I got them for her. To be honest I’m probably going to pick some up myself. (I also have that exact same kitchen scale...)

  • @wisperingiron3646
    @wisperingiron3646 5 лет назад

    Pretty nice video.
    Maybe you could do a Chi-squared test to help you interpret the results of these kinds of statistical tests in the future. I'm a bit of math nerd so I think that would be cool.
    It was great that you also took the look of the dies and potential damage to table into consideration.
    Personally I love the look and feel of metal dies, but don't use them without a dice tray, as my linoleum table easily gets marks from the points where the dies hit the table when they first land.

  • @Angus-McFife-2nd
    @Angus-McFife-2nd 5 лет назад

    I have those dice. Mine also have "Poleplay" on the tin, not "roleplay". I rolled the d20 1000 times to see how fair it was. Almost perfectly even. Only numbers mine slightly favoured was the 19, 17 and 1. But that d6 really favours the 5 and 6. Love rolling stats with it in D&D

  • @howardcameron2551
    @howardcameron2551 4 года назад

    I wish you would have done a chi square analysis test, but overall very well done and thank you for your role data. 😃

  • @gunslinger11bravo
    @gunslinger11bravo 5 лет назад +12

    You lost me when you picked the Alliance notebook over the Horde.

    • @ArcaneForge
      @ArcaneForge  5 лет назад +4

      I'm a Horde main personally. The choice was "am I having fun?" (Horde), or "is this going to be a lot of work?" (Alliance) :P

    • @gunslinger11bravo
      @gunslinger11bravo 5 лет назад +1

      @@ArcaneForge that makes perfect sense to me 😁

    • @loganyates2453
      @loganyates2453 5 лет назад

      For the Horde.

  • @ITpanda
    @ITpanda 5 лет назад

    Roll metal dice in Mercury to determine if it is weighted to favor any side

  • @CalculusPhysics
    @CalculusPhysics 5 лет назад +2

    at the beginning you mentioned some people corrected you when you said “Dice” instead of “Die” but actually in Modern English either one is correct

  • @evamonet3015
    @evamonet3015 3 года назад +1

    I just wanna know where to find that glass box he's housing all his dice in🤔🤔

    • @ArcaneForge
      @ArcaneForge  3 года назад

      Haha! I'm glad you like it! I got it years ago from a shop here in the UK called "paperchase" which makes stationary and things like that. They may still make it but they tend to change their stock seasonally. It might be worth looking up terrariums? Maybe a garden centre might have something in the same neighbourhood?

  • @witchBoi_Connor
    @witchBoi_Connor 5 лет назад

    I just prefer the weight of metal dice, mostly because of how light plastic ones are I often feel like I’m holding nothing at all.

  • @kabobawsome
    @kabobawsome 5 лет назад

    Dice is fine singular. As long as you are able yo be understood and aren't hurting anyone, it doesn't matter what the word is.

  • @skelitonking117
    @skelitonking117 5 лет назад

    I mean as long as it’s from a solid mold and the alloy isn’t shit or impure they shouldn’t be biased or weighted unless purposefully made so; it’s not as if they’re at risk of air pockets like resin mold dice are.

  • @dasoler8385
    @dasoler8385 5 лет назад

    your unbiased opinion got me sub for its rarity

  • @flynnmoroney1900
    @flynnmoroney1900 3 года назад

    You should check if the "Class sets" from Random Encounters Dice have problems with balance, I have a set of the Warlock and want to know if the little book imbed is making a difference.

  • @Znoadrien
    @Znoadrien 5 лет назад +5

    That is very... not mathematic... you have to make statistics and compare it to random values with 5% risk...

  • @timeshark8727
    @timeshark8727 5 лет назад +3

    i hate to tell you, but you would need closer to 1000 rolls to get good statistics. especially for thing like d20's

  • @HilltreesHarmony
    @HilltreesHarmony 5 лет назад +2

    My metal d20 weighs 26 grams! Is that too much??? I use a dice tray so it doesn't damage my table but hot damn it seems heavy

    • @HellGod67
      @HellGod67 4 года назад

      just depends on the damn metal contents ofcourse

  • @thomasway0320
    @thomasway0320 Год назад

    Quick question, is it possible to hand carve a wooden dice set? I know it’ll probably be easier to make a fair dice set with tools, but I want to get into wood carving and also DnD, so I want to try and approach these two things at the same time.

  • @emc246
    @emc246 5 лет назад +1

    Can these dice be used by other classes?

  • @troyty007
    @troyty007 5 лет назад

    Awesome video! I especially like the one about the sugar water tests. This should help me weed out the bunch of dice i got for bargain hahaha.
    Hm...I use this for rocks but how about anchoring or gluing a string at one point (with a removable glue of course) and hanging the dice in mid air, then taking a picture and tracing a perfectly straight line from the string to the ground.. Repeat this several times at different points to get the center of mass of the die.
    The trick is making sure they are on the same "plane" on the d20 for example. The could be done by making sure the same number is facing the camera at all times and rotating about that axis. For rocks we do this by dabbing a small bit of white out. No need for dice though as we have the number to guide us.
    Then repeat this at a number perpendicular to the the first one to make sure its even on all axises.
    This should help for metal dice since they dont float o/

  • @phantomaquarist3417
    @phantomaquarist3417 5 лет назад

    The get the peacock color on the metal from reheating it and in doing so it causes the metal to become denser

  • @Parsalin
    @Parsalin 5 лет назад

    take the rolls, and give the number rolled a color from green to red. then put the colors on the die. if one side is rolled more often (the effect expected from weighted dies.) itll show visually. i like anything about dies though +1 for you sir.

  • @IrrevMike
    @IrrevMike 5 лет назад

    Since you already have the data on all the dice, you should do a chi-squared calculation for each die. The result you get for each die should give you an idea about how fair a given die is.

    • @DoctorHaggis
      @DoctorHaggis 5 лет назад

      Came for a chi-squared comment. Left happy.

  • @GameFreak7744
    @GameFreak7744 5 лет назад

    Hm, running the results of the d4 (as it has the best data) through the chi-squared test it has an χ² of 6.48 (assuming I didn't make any mistakes), which is actually edging into cause-for-concern territory as it would be expected to be

  • @MonkeyJedi99
    @MonkeyJedi99 5 лет назад

    The game systems my group has used for 30-ish years uses percentile rolls. I have been using the same two d10 for around 20 or so years.

  • @MisterMagikarp
    @MisterMagikarp 5 лет назад

    Would the test be inconclusive since you did not roll each dice with the same number facing up/etc. when you dropped them into the dice tower each time?

  • @TeacupKitty13
    @TeacupKitty13 5 лет назад

    That subtle jab at the horde.

  • @eriksilva631
    @eriksilva631 5 лет назад +6

    Thats how a DM calls dice, "rolls die".

    • @VoltisArt
      @VoltisArt 3 года назад

      Unless you're playing a game that uses only one shape of dice, the DM or GM usually uses the shorthand for the number of sides per die: "D20" or "dee twenty."

  • @malachigruenhagen2453
    @malachigruenhagen2453 5 лет назад

    It would be nice to see some statistical analysis of the data. It has been a while since I took statistics, but I have to wonder if the sample size was large enough. (My interest in dice is not so much games but random number generation).

  • @anonpers0n
    @anonpers0n 5 лет назад +2

    How about float test in gallium or Mercury?

  • @RobbJones
    @RobbJones 5 лет назад

    Everything floats in mercury. If you can get your hands on enough of it you should be able to do your float test with it. I'd be curious to see how the paladin dice turn out with that test.

  • @HayNay55
    @HayNay55 5 лет назад

    Woah what’s that D20 glass looking container at 2:40 ?? Where can I get that??!? Looks cool :)

  • @Stilgarsan
    @Stilgarsan 5 лет назад

    I remember taking part in tabletop session, where metal dice were forbidden. The reason was, that in a heated argument someone threw his across the table. Really makes you feel like you are playing with grown-ups.

  • @ineffable1129
    @ineffable1129 4 года назад

    My take, metal dice are cooler to show off vs use regularly, they just make great display pieces.

  • @FlaminTubbyToast
    @FlaminTubbyToast 2 года назад +1

    I don't actually mind the use of dice for singular when in conversation.

  • @Runescythe9852
    @Runescythe9852 5 лет назад

    I use metal diehard dice from their gemstone sets and they are very pretty to look at.

  • @fakjbf3129
    @fakjbf3129 5 лет назад

    Oh those graphs are hard to look at. I think a better way to display it would have been a line graph plotting the frequency of each result and then superimposing the three sets of lines over each other. It would drastically cut down on the horizontal length and allow you to just show the entire graph at one time instead of having to scroll to the side.

  • @zososldier
    @zososldier 5 лет назад

    Missed 1 point. Are they billet or cast. If it's billet then the internal structure should be very uniform=fair. If it's cast, it can have air bubbles like plastic=biased.