⚓️ NOMAD - Yacht interior on a budget.

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  • Опубликовано: 26 фев 2018
  • The sound for this video is in stereo. If you are not hearing any sound on this video, or just hearing intro music, try switching your computers sound to mono. My apologies if this is causing you any trouble.
    This is about saving a little money while building drop boards or drop panels for yacht interiors. These tips could be used for just about any aspect of fitting out a yacht interior.
    The material I'm using is referred to as Medium Density Overlay or MDO. My local supplier carries a brand called Duraply.
    My website: www.nomadboatbuilding.com
    I post daily on Instagram: / nomadboatbuilding
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  • @danrutt4254
    @danrutt4254 Год назад +1

    really liked Vedic learned quite a bit

  • @kmonnier
    @kmonnier 5 лет назад +1

    That pattern technique is awesome!

  • @SalingSamantas
    @SalingSamantas 2 года назад

    I watched this About a year ago and stored it in my memory banks, for a future date... Now I'm watching it again and putting it into use on my sailboat project. Thank you again for all your videos, so much to learn here!

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  2 года назад +1

      I'm glad this stuff has been helpful to you. All the best with your projects.

  • @robertjackson7590
    @robertjackson7590 4 года назад

    Thanks for this video, excellent craftsmanship.

  • @kmonnier
    @kmonnier 5 лет назад

    The pattern technique you demonstrate in the video saved my butt I today while I'm installing a closet! Thanks again!

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  5 лет назад

      It saves my butt all the time. Glad it was helpful to you.

  • @sailingkulali
    @sailingkulali 3 года назад +4

    Thanks so much for sharing this type of content! I look forward to applying this on my build!

  • @tamingthedragon5477
    @tamingthedragon5477 5 лет назад +1

    Really useful information. Thank you. I have just bought a 1975 cabin cruiser here in UK and I am just embarking on a fairly comprehensive refit with the help of my 15 year old son. As novices we appreciate your easy style and clear guidance. Subscribed! Making a base for the centre section of a v birth has just gone to top of my list.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  5 лет назад

      Paul Lewis I wish it could have been a little more detailed but the work and the filming are at complete odds with each other and I have to prioritize the work at this point. Glad you found it helpful.

  • @nanoceramics2747
    @nanoceramics2747 Год назад

    I am re doing my whole interior of my boat your video has given me great ideas, great presentation. Thank you!

  • @sdcofer52
    @sdcofer52 2 года назад

    Very helpful. I didn't know about MDO.

  • @Brik-in-the-sticks
    @Brik-in-the-sticks 5 лет назад

    Brilliant. It is so difficult to find a person who can explain what is necessary without being tedious. I've searched everywhere to find boat interior building that is not epoxy. Hopefully you get the support to keep going. I'll pass your link around.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  5 лет назад

      Marc Brik thanks Marc. I would be happy to make more videos on subject but I don't get a ton of interior jobs. Epoxy is incredible stuff but you certainly don't need to use it for everything.

  • @DLBard-bv2nd
    @DLBard-bv2nd Год назад

    Appreciate your sharing your skills with us. Thanks. ⛵

  • @stevekillick6260
    @stevekillick6260 2 года назад

    Thanks very much for the awesome content. Super informative for a guy that will one day build a boat when his wife gets her car out of the garage!

  • @j_j_h221
    @j_j_h221 Год назад

    wow this guy is great. very simple to the point with lots of detail and easy to understand. Thank you

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  Год назад +1

      My wife might argue some of those points but thank you just the same.

    • @j_j_h221
      @j_j_h221 Год назад

      @@Nomadboatbuilding lol must be man talk she doesn't understand.

  • @damianhind7330
    @damianhind7330 Год назад

    Good job on my former neighbour's boat!

  • @northernAT
    @northernAT 6 лет назад +1

    Cool to see you using mdo for this. I've used it for a number of torsion box work benches with an oil /wax (osmol) finish and have been throughouly impressed with its durability. At one point I found a local lumber yard had factory second 2 sided mdo that was cheap. On side would have some minor dents in it that either could be worked around or put on the bad side. Wish I had more of it.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  6 лет назад

      You can actually get panels made of just the paper and resin. Don't recall what it's called or where you can get it but it's pricey stuff. It's apparently really stable, enough that you could make exterior doors with the stuff.

  • @pacervault3350
    @pacervault3350 4 года назад

    I'm going to rebuild/redesign the interior of my 1974 24 foot Coronado Mark IV this winter.Thanks for the great insights and ideas!

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  4 года назад +1

      Michael Jaqua I hope it helps. Thanks for watching.

    • @pacervault3350
      @pacervault3350 4 года назад

      It helps for sure! I am also looking into a new type of "plywood" that is actually made from plastic. That would be an ideal material to build with, assuming it has the strength needed. Mildew and rot resistant, and easy to clean.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  4 года назад +2

      @@pacervault3350 For sure. A lot of interior components don't need a ton of strength either, aside from structural bulkheads of course. The biggest thing to keep in mind is ventilation. Condensation in the nether regions can make a huge mess of all your stuff. I also recommend doing a lot of mockups with doorskin or cardboard to make sure you are getting the best layout and proportions figured out. The Francis Kinney edition of Skene's Elements of Yacht Design has some useful furniture proportions and Howard Chapelle's books Boatbuilding and Yacht Designing and Planning has excellent advice. Best of luck.

    • @pacervault3350
      @pacervault3350 4 года назад

      @@Nomadboatbuilding thanks so much!

  • @RiverbendlongbowsOutdoors
    @RiverbendlongbowsOutdoors 6 лет назад +3

    I just did an oak companion way louvered drop board a couple of weeks ago. My first. Yes we gave yacht ers up in Iowa

    • @quinnrichards5969
      @quinnrichards5969 5 лет назад

      hi everyone ,if anyone else wants to uncover boat plans for sale try BoatPlan.info ? Ive heard some super things about it and my work buddy got amazing results with it.

  • @consideringorthodoxy5495
    @consideringorthodoxy5495 3 года назад +1

    Never thought I would hear “yacht” and “budget” in the same sentence.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  3 года назад +1

      Well they are at polar ends of that sentence. Buy yes, I know what you mean.

  • @RiverbendlongbowsOutdoors
    @RiverbendlongbowsOutdoors 6 лет назад +3

    Very good 👍 I use same techniques in building custom built-in cabinet making. I love mdo.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  6 лет назад

      Ya. I wish the double sided was readily available.

    • @robertmcgovern8850
      @robertmcgovern8850 4 года назад

      @@Nomadboatbuilding mdo in general can be hard to source, and it varies insanely in price depending on the seller. Some box stores have or can get it. Menards in the US Midwest, for example, sells 1/2" Roseburg mdo for $45 but stock is hit/miss. One retail supplier charges 3x that price, nearly the price of Hydrotek BS1088 (for kraft-faced CDX, basically). A wholesale vendor 60 miles away charges $60 and stocks reliably. If you can't find 2s mdo, call a custom sign painting shop. Mdo was created for exterior signage, and sign shops probably have a unit or two.
      I love mdo for boat interiors. It is light, stiff, as flat as veneer core ever is, and takes paint beautifully. It is first choice for a Herreshoff interior.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  4 года назад

      @@robertmcgovern8850 Up here in Canada we don't have quite so many sources for materials I think and at least for me the costs have bee relatively consistent however, it certainly isn't available at the big box stores, just the small contractor suppliers. Yes using it for a paint grade surface is where it really shines. Outshines the marine or cabinet grade stuff too. Now my use of Formica is an interesting detail to consider. It can allow you to use any exterior grade ply that you trust and get a good finish. I would even consider MDX (exterior grade MDO) if the weight isn't an issue. There is a yacht builder in Florida that uses the more flexible post-form formica as a smooth substrate for painting. He uses the formica here, about 1:20 in: ruclips.net/video/DfboLFGLN_o/видео.html. Yacht Shop Creations. Well worth watching for some really good building tricks. Tell Jimbo I said hi.

    • @robertmcgovern8850
      @robertmcgovern8850 4 года назад

      @@Nomadboatbuilding Heh -- I live and refit sailboats in Wyoming! Talk about 'poor access to marine-grade materials.' :) I'm a fan of HPL in its place, as well; its thermal stability becomes an issue tho, as does the tendency of contact cements to release in hot weather or after temperature cycling. We're taking our 30 footer to Baja MX, and it will need to be buttoned up on the hard for hurricane season. Titebond3 holds lammy pretty well, tho clamping is difficult w/out vacuum bag.

  • @matthewpocock4824
    @matthewpocock4824 2 года назад

    Useful tips. Nothing wrong with a biscuit and Fleetwood Mac while working on your boat.

  • @benjaminchong82
    @benjaminchong82 4 года назад

    your video is very inspiring

  • @organicox80
    @organicox80 5 лет назад

    Thank you so much for this. Just what I need.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  5 лет назад

      I'm glad you found it useful. Best of luck on your project.

    • @organicox80
      @organicox80 5 лет назад

      @@Nomadboatbuilding very useful, i have a 48 year old 25' steel yacht and about to redo up for'ed. I have to change the angle of the dangle. The V berth is fine for 2 people laying feet first but I like to sleep with my head up the bow end, BUT its slightly down hill so it feels like blood rushing to my head so i have to raise that end a couple of inches.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  5 лет назад +1

      bible basher I can understand if the boat is out of trim causing that situation but I've never understood why you would ever build berths anything but level. If you go square off your bulkheads it should work out. Bulkheads are pretty much always built plumb to the designed waterline. A very simple solution could be getting new cushions cut to make up the difference in level.

    • @organicox80
      @organicox80 5 лет назад

      @@Nomadboatbuilding Thanks. You have just made me think of something that has never dawned on me; It could be my weight 120 kg weighing down the bow. It is a tiny boat. I think i will just make a wedge shaped mattress and save interfering with welded pipe frame. Last time she was on the land the levels were fine so I'M the culprit.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  5 лет назад

      @@organicox80 HAHAHAHAHAHA - self awareness is a wonderful thing.

  • @davidgriffiths7696
    @davidgriffiths7696 Год назад

    You could put vent holes in the longitudinal ply that traverses the bulk heads as those are not covered by cushions.

  • @klg65
    @klg65 5 лет назад

    Enjoyed your video, thank you. Do you happen to have anything on building cabinet doors?

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  5 лет назад +1

      klg65 xxglad you enjoyed it. I don't have anything on building doors just yet but I have a couple more boat interior jobs to do this year so maybe we'll find an opportunity to do so. I'll keep it in mind.

  • @jameseaton905
    @jameseaton905 4 года назад

    At the end you kind of apologize for the long discussion of material selection but I thought that was fascinating. I have a 1965 Alberg 35, so an interesting combination of fiberglass and wood. My long term project is rebuilding the forward cabin; a previous owner took out the v-berth and I'ld like to restore it so this was very helpful to me. I subscribed.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  4 года назад

      I'm glad you got something useful from that. This has been my top performing video so I should really do some more on this subject.

    • @jameseaton905
      @jameseaton905 4 года назад

      @@Nomadboatbuilding Speaking just for myself, I'd be interested in more videos on deconstructing/constructing boat interiors on old fiberglass boats. Guessing this isn't really your thing, but it is what a lot of us do. For example, as I mentioned, I'm going to reconstruct a vberth. What should be taken into account? This summer I am building a battery box for two batteries, fitting it under a seat. There are a lot of wonderful boat building videos but building a wooden boat from scratch is not what I do all the time; what I do all the time is improve my old fiberglass boat. Just a thought as you envision future projects.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  4 года назад

      I can see how that would have a wide appeal but working on glass boats drives me nuts. I just can’t stand how sloppy they are put together. I rarely work on a glass boat and every time I do I regret taking it on at some point.

    • @jameseaton905
      @jameseaton905 4 года назад

      @@Nomadboatbuilding Lol good point... although I think the Pearson brothers did a fair job on my Alberg 35. Best wishes

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  4 года назад

      I’m sure they did. My issue is that the surfaces are always so unfair. It’s challenging to marry my work to them in a way that I am pleased with. I have the same issue with anything drywalled too.

  • @bobomac8330
    @bobomac8330 Год назад

    Nice vid.
    Any lightweight options to replace these panels, thinking of divinicell, costly but light I think

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  Год назад

      I think your best bet would be to glass over a thinner ply. Just one side is probably fine. The backside to put it tension I would say. Maybe also go to baltic birch for increased stiffness or rotary mahogany or standard fir to control cost. 1/4” mdo is probably available somewhere but certainly not in my area.

    • @bobomac8330
      @bobomac8330 Год назад

      @@Nomadboatbuilding thanks for that.

  • @78denty
    @78denty 4 года назад

    Great video. I just starting doing my boat up and this really helps. But what wood do you use for the frame to sit the mdo on top?

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  4 года назад

      That really depends on what materials are available to you. Around my area, Douglas fir or Alaskan yellow cedar would be good choices but anything that can survive in a marine environment would be fine. Mahogany, pine, ash and oak are other common boatbuilding woods. Interiors are typically fairly dry places except where condensation can be a factor so really just about anything will do the job.

    • @78denty
      @78denty 4 года назад

      Thats great thanks so much for your reply.m, so pine is the cheapest here in Ireland, so will now use that.
      Do you mind me asking if i need to treat it with a varnish before using it?

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  4 года назад

      @@78denty not a bad idea but linseed oil will do as well. Larch might be available to you as well. It's just as good.

  • @Richdudevids
    @Richdudevids 5 лет назад

    hello new to your show .. I am looking in to building my own l live aboard boat,,and have I am on the hunt for good advice, your show if full of heplful dyi thanks for your time in making the show, and thanks for sharing..

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  5 лет назад +2

      richard y. Hey Richard. Welcome aboard. My best advice for building a live-aboard would be to mock up your interior components as much as possible to make sure the proportions and functionality are right. Emphasize ventilation in your storage areas and avoid soft goods from contacting the hull surfaces. Most of all, adapt a minimalist mindset. Nothing ruins a live-aboard experience faster than too much crap.

  • @viktorbrattsti9397
    @viktorbrattsti9397 Год назад

    I have found a dream boat, well built quality. Done exterior but ripped out interior. How hard is it to build a good interior?

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  Год назад +1

      That’s a petty loaded question. The techniques I show in that video will come in handy throughout the project. All I can suggest is to keep things simple and it’s a really good idea to mock up the whole thing in cardboard or doorskin to make sure your ideas will work and fit together. Try to get a look at other boat interiors for ideas. Unfortunately, there aren’t many good books on the subject.

  • @soylentgreen326
    @soylentgreen326 3 года назад

    Cookies 😋🤣

  • @britbrown2025
    @britbrown2025 3 года назад

    Hi, do you remember what boat this was?. I just bought, what I think, is a fairly rare sailing yacht called a Van de Stadt legend and the layout from what I can see looks just the same

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  3 года назад

      It’s a British offshore cruiser. Nicholson I believe. Could be totally wrong though.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  3 года назад

      It’s a British offshore cruiser. Nicholson I believe. Could be totally wrong though.

    • @britbrown2025
      @britbrown2025 3 года назад

      Thank you! I've lived on boats before but this is my first time living on one on my own and I'm going to need all the help I can get from RUclips to make a gloomy old boat looking less gloomy 🙂 I highly appreciate channels like yours.

  • @ontheruntonowhere
    @ontheruntonowhere 3 года назад

    Is there a reason other than aesthetics to add bungs to screwholes? The boards which cover the hollow interior bulkhead next to the companionway in my boat look really nice but I can't remove them without chipping the bungs out, which looks terrible. I suppose after the project I could add new bungs, but I wonder if there's a less permanent way to achieve a similar aesthetic.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  3 года назад

      No, adding bungs is purely aesthetic unless below the waterline on the exterior of your boat. Getting bungs out cleanly is an art in itself. I should do a video on it if the opportunity arrises. In a nutshell though, using a fine sharpish slotted screwdriver, drive into the bung in the centre in line with the grain. now move out board a smidge and do it again, aiming toward the first strike. move a smidge to the other side and do the same. You are tying to break out a small wedge without prying heavily over to the edge of the bung hole. You want to avoid touching those edges. Once you have a little piece broken out you keep working your way outboard on both sides breaking way more. You might need to use a sharp awl to pick away the last bits at the very edge but most should break free cleanly along all the end grain. If the bung is varnished over you can try softening the varnish by carefully dabbing paint stripper just onto the bung with a Q-tip. If you really mess up you could use finishing washers with your screws to hide the mess, or even fender washers with round headed screws. I've even taken the time to patch up messed up screw holes with diamond shaped dutchmen which then become a feature.

    • @ontheruntonowhere
      @ontheruntonowhere 3 года назад

      @@Nomadboatbuilding Thanks for explaining how to remove bungs. Very helpful. I'll try that this weekend. I like the idea of finishing washers. More utilitarian in appearance but much easier to work behind the panels when I need to. Keep up the good work on your channel. A lot of your videos aren't pertinent to my plastic boat but you explain things well and I appreciate the work you put into them.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  3 года назад

      @@ontheruntonowhere Well the thrust of my channel is obviously wooden boats but there are a lot of crossover concepts.

    • @ontheruntonowhere
      @ontheruntonowhere 3 года назад

      @@Nomadboatbuilding There are, please keep doing what you're doing. Great channel. :)

  • @solosailorsv8065
    @solosailorsv8065 4 года назад +1

    Ply can be "petrified" with West System and 404 filler, all sides especially the edges. Fill all voids, pits collect mold etc.
    No paper or cardboard anything on an ocean boat, please. Those are just moisture traps and food for microbes.
    House are built from termite food (cheap woods) and mold substrate (dry wall), not ocean boats.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  4 года назад +1

      SoloSailor sv that paper is infused with phenolic resin. I’ve tested well in fully exposed conditions. It holds up very well and if painted it’s as good if not better than a painted wood veneer face. In this case it has been varnished. I always seal my edges. With removable interior components like this, some voids are not a problem. This plywood product is made from the same materials as marine-grade fir ply but due to the possibility of core voids I don’t specifically recommend it for planking. While you could “petrify” this stuff with epoxy, you drive up the cost in time and materials. What we did here was substantially more durable than what was original to this boat. Mold is best controlled by good cleaning habits and good ventilation.

    • @solosailorsv8065
      @solosailorsv8065 4 года назад

      @@Nomadboatbuilding Good clarification, thank you.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  4 года назад

      SoloSailor sv you’re welcome. You’re concerns and comments were perfectly valid. I’m a real stickler for thinking about long term results. This is an older yacht and the owner lives on a student income so we have to find areas to save costs while achieving reliable solutions.

  • @stevenschapera2888
    @stevenschapera2888 5 месяцев назад

    Companionway drop boards are actually called WASHBOARDS

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  5 месяцев назад

      There are often multiple terms for every part of a boat. I use the term washboards for removable closures in tall bulwarks.

  • @peterkacandes5905
    @peterkacandes5905 4 года назад

    Actually they are called lee cloths because they support you on the lee side of the berth.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  4 года назад

      Thank you, you are quite correct. That's what happens when you spend all your time holed up in a workshop by yourself. You forget the common terms for things. My shipwright mentor referred to all longitudinal wooden members as listing strips, regardless of what purpose they served, none of which were ever the thing that is actually a listing strip, but that's another story.

  • @nickmyers3065
    @nickmyers3065 2 года назад

    Anyone have a good book on sailboat interior construction?

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  2 года назад

      I wish I could recommend on but I don’t feel a really good one has ever been published. "From a Bare Hull" by Maté has been a long time standard. I have always turned to Howard Chapelle's "Boatbuilding" for guidance but it is not fully comprehensive on that subject.

  • @3zan6bel9
    @3zan6bel9 4 года назад

    dropdoor

  • @robertadamson562
    @robertadamson562 2 года назад

    no audio?????

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  2 года назад

      Check your audio settings. People have had this trouble before. I think there is a left/right channel issue with this video. It’s out of my control at this point. Maybe try a mono setting on your device.

  • @TheFlyingPlectrum
    @TheFlyingPlectrum 5 лет назад +1

    Just use marine grade and varnish it!

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  5 лет назад

      Well sure you can do that, but I'm just trying to demonstrate that there are viable alternatives. Not everybody has ready access to marine grade materials and some of those varieties of marine ply are probably not from the most sustainable sources of raw timber.

    • @fishhuntadventure
      @fishhuntadventure 2 года назад

      Marine is the same manufacturing glue and species as good CDX plywood minus the voids. So why not use an alternative smooth product at half the cost!?!

  • @carmelinakatzman1863
    @carmelinakatzman1863 3 года назад +9

    I have checked many woodworking plan sites. I think the instructions from Woodprix are the best.

  • @pierremitham2964
    @pierremitham2964 3 года назад

    some audio would make this a much better video!!!

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  3 года назад

      There’s audio. Better check your settings. Not sure why it wasn’t coming through for you.

    • @pierremitham2964
      @pierremitham2964 3 года назад

      @@Nomadboatbuilding thanks, I did. Any video right before or after this one is fine, but this video I have to read lips!

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  3 года назад

      Weird. I’ve had others make the same comment in the past. I just checked it. It has sound for me. I’ll have to see if this is a known phenomenon.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  3 года назад

      There are a number of videos on youtube that address sound issues. Perhaps one of them will solve your problem. There is more than one place where a mute setting can be engaged and it may depend on the browser you are using as well.

    • @pierremitham2964
      @pierremitham2964 3 года назад

      @@Nomadboatbuilding Thanks I'll take another look but your intro music plays but nothing else... Weird.

  • @edwin-38
    @edwin-38 3 года назад

    No audio lad can’t hear what your saying

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  3 года назад

      That’s very strange. Another person just had the same comment yesterday about this same video. The audio is fine when I check it. Please make sure you haven’t muted the video by accident. There are more than one ways that a video can be muted depending on the browser too.

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  3 года назад

      Are you hearing music?

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  3 года назад

      I did some digging. For some reason I think RUclips delivered this video with the dialogue only on one stereo track that some people aren’t receiving. Switch ing your browser or computer to mono should fix it.

  • @yamato9790
    @yamato9790 2 года назад

    Too boring to watch

    • @Nomadboatbuilding
      @Nomadboatbuilding  2 года назад +2

      It’s not my favourite either oddly it’s also my most watched video. Go figure.

    • @SailingAlbinBallad92
      @SailingAlbinBallad92 Год назад

      It's not boring in the slightest. If you are really interested in this kind of thing you'll like it