*_I really hope you are OK after putting yourself through this hell._* *_You did miss a few, I can't remember their names; they have been removed from my mobile by dev/GW._* *_There could be a "Part 2"? There's a few Warhammer Fantasy games as well, and some other GW IPs. Was there not also a 20K and 30K game?_* *_A friend of mine has collected ALL W40K video games/mobile games/console games and has them now all on 1 PC that never is connected to to the Internet or gets any updates._* *_I forget which game had a built-in self destruct, 1 game he just lost because it terminated on a certain date/time?_* *_Sail The High Seas if you want a complete collection of past W40k games._*
The Hinges on that Laptop is gonna break soon, you just wait. My MSI GE76 Raider's hinges broke today. MSI is facing a Class Action Lawsuit in USA because of their overly tightened hinges that hundreds of people have broken from normal usage. Sad but true. Also: MSI's Thermal Paste is like dried bubble gum: Absolute CRAP! But the over heating issue is easily fixed. Just remove the old crappy Thermal Paste and replace it with Noctua NT-H2 3.5g and it will run like a dream. My new Temps went from "Burning my fingers on the WASD buttons" (yes, for real) - to sitting steady at 38°C when playing heavy games like Borderlands 3 and Cyberpunk 2077. So no more heating issues. Other smaller issues disappeared as well, likely caused by the previous overheating.
I worked at Gamestation when the NGage was released. One kid pre ordered it. I believe it was our one pre order for the whole store for that Cornish pasty looking thing. He was so stoked on release day. So one person in existence did own an NGage
I think people don't realize how many years of development Vermintide 2 has over Darktide. Vermintide 2 was also almost a dead game with a horrible release at some point. I still believe Darktide will get there one day. Or Darktide 2.
@@martind5653 i mean ive not stopped playng it since release. its buggy, has a shitty cash shop but i ignore it. but its also got very compelling gameplay that is actually fun which is rare these days
I remember that thing. Nearly crapped myself seeing Tomb Raider running on that thing in a mall kiosk. Then I actually crapped myself when I saw the price.
As a indie game dev and someone whos life revolves around video games in general yeah i know about every obscure piece of software that can play games that has ever existed lol
I actually remember the N-gage being released. Because it was a phone AND a games console, it fell short as both for most people. I saw a preowned one once in my local games store. As they kept the niche items downstairs (and most people didn't even realise there was a downstairs) not many people knew about the best things that store sold (and that they had an arcade machine that you could play for free).
N-Gage was basically what mobiles are today.. phones that can also play apps/games. The problem of course was it tried to market itself as a handheld console alternative instead of a phone with gaming capabilities. And the technology just wasn't up to par back then so Nokia threaded the line and tried to do something that did both but excelled at neither leading it to be passed on by a lot of folks.
I enjoyed Eternal Crusade, and others did too. There's a fan project working on bringing the game back (same way fans created Return of Reckoning to bring back Warhammer Online). So basically Eternal Crusade without any of the moneygrubbing and greed.
Fatshark absolutely dropped the ball with Darktide. Vermintide 2 was a really fun game and well worth sitting down to play with friends. I had high hopes for Darktide, but I still can't even play it. Even now it just crashes a few minutes after launch every time. Even if it didn't, the 2 hours of gameplay I've gotten out of it were just dry af.
As a 4X fan, I can safely say that Gladius is quite liked by us. Though it is more of a wargame rather than a 4X game. Also you hit the nail on the multiplayer part. I seldom play it single, it is a joy on multi though.
Dave the oddity of a Mechanicus Inqusitor isnt quite that odd - there IS an Ordo Mechanicus in the Inqusition that monitors the Mechanicus so it would make a small bit of sense to have at least a few Tech Priest inqusitors or interrogators !
Dave...why do you do this to yourself? But thank you for taking us down this little history lane. I didn't know that there were so many Warhammer games. But I got to say, it's been...informative. Can't wait for Space Marine 2. The bug models look amazing.
@@TabletopTime please don’t do that. How else will you decompress after a long week of awesome tabletop projects All in all, thank you for the awesome video
Quick note unrelated to the rest of my message: I heavily recommend keeping an eye on Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader! It’s a CRPG in development by Owlcat games, makers of Pathfinder: Kingmaker and Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous which are some of my favourite games and therefore I have very high hopes for RT. Currently it’s got a playtest going on available if you pledge money to it as, like the Pathfinder games, they make a system of getting a bunch of funding from fans and you typically get some pretty need rewards too! I’ve dabbled in the playtest for 9 hours and it seems pretty good, keeping in mind the current development stage. Not gonna go much much further because I know what my attention span is like and it’ll struggle playing the same bits of game again I loved killteam! Me and my father played countless hours together I still find it amusing that it took me until 2017 to realise 40k was a thing, even tho I had played DOW1, 2, space marine and the aforementioned kill team 😅 My fondest memories are definitely killteam (Eternal Crusade being a close second, being the thing that introduced me to a guild that developed my interest into 40k and chased the development of my Soul Drinkers character that you see in use as my pfp today even with the absolution of the guild, still working on him :D) tho, introduced me to the beauty of the heavy bolter that still remains my favourite piece of weaponry
They don't "give away" their IP, however last I checked they were cheap to lease back than. Typical lease for an IP is around $40000-45000. This makes it a prime IP to pick up for a fledgling game studio to pick up with some of the money they got from loans. You'll easily get that $40 or so thousand dollars back, pay back the rest of what they owe GW, pay their workers, and still make a profit.
We used to stock the N-Gage in out store. I played on a demo one. It was actually pretty good for the time. We never sold a single 1 though. Was overpriced for a phone.
I personally do like Gladius. While it's true, that the story is lacking, at least each faction has it's own goals and paired with the random maps, it has somewhat of a replayability. Apart from that, it's one of the few games that still gets supported by the developer (last patch was at the end of last month). Also Boltgun is a fun game which a play on and off for a few hours once a week or so (not the biggest FPS guy, but the combination of artstyle and humor - not taking itself to serious - does something for me). Personally I'd love to see something like a total war game for 40k - apocalypse scale tactical army rts - as that would really fit in the universe. Like a real tyranid swarm or ork horde against regiments worth of guardsmen :D
I'd love a campaign style old school call of duty type game, but imperial guard trench fighting vs Orks or something. Gladius didn't get a bad review, it was a "it is good for the genre if you like 4x but could have been more"
I also had the bug of crashing as soon as you launch Battlefleet Gothic 2 back acouple years ago. I refunded my copy and eventually gave it another try on my pc and it worked. It didn't like my laptop at all
See that mentality is what enables games like Dark Tide to come out. We shouldn't forgive and forget. Darktide was finished and fully released. It just wasn't good enough. Regardless of what happens to the game afterwards they chose to release their game in an unacceptable state. That should not be forgotten or forgiven. Or it leads to more games like Darktide.
@@DoctorEviloply I mean I agree with everything except you saying it was fully released. It isn’t finished. We have a barebones shooter. But Vermintide was the same way. It took years for it to be a full game. Darktide will be the same. I’ll come back when they’ve actually finished it
@@DoctorEviloply I think they're more comparing it to No Man's Sky in that the release was not a game, but the work put into it over time finally made it a playable fun time. Though don't take that as me forgiving Darktide in any way, we can have hope while recognising the issues.
A very nice list. I feel ancient now because I remember a lot of them coming out, but a good list none the less. I am looking forward to when you make the mistake of doing the Warhammer Fantasy video games. Shadow of the Horned Rat here we come!
I agree! Imho, the multiplayer part (with/against human players!) is what makes it shine the most. To me, DOW2 Retribution with the (still updated (bugfixing, new content etc.) and better balanced) Elite Mod is the best that DOW has to offer, and I have played them all, on- and offline. The level of tactical micromanagement, positioning (with cover and shotblockers etc.), the suppression mechanics, destructible environments, unit preservation with veterancy levels and the skillshot-potential with various unit and hero abilities etc., etc. is unmatched, as as I am concerned. I didn't miss the basebuilding at all - it was a breath of fresh air.
Dawn of War was my first exposure to the 40k universe and I didn't realize there was a table top game or the amazingly deep lore at the time. Only recently started painting minis 4 years ago and diving deep in the lore, big fan now all because of a excellent RTS
Hey Dave.....just a quick heads-up on Gothic Armada 2. I had the same issue you did, but I installed the Skalgrim mod from the Steam workshop (adds a ton of ships as well as the Dark Mechanicum), and it works fine now. So, if you're looking to play in your spare time, this might work for you too.
Man, my favorite licensed property is a mixed bag with way too many dirty needles to accidentally grab. Shame about Legacy of Dorn; it is genuinely good and giving more BL books the same treatment would have been a huge boon for dedicated 40k readers. Also, I don't usually comment on sponsors, but the Stealth 14 is a very solid laptop. I sell them at work, and I'd take it over an XPS any day. Things I'd like to see in the 2020's: -DoW 1 Remastered. Take DoW 1, update the graphics, repackage so all of the expansions are in one installer, Bob's your uncle you have my $40 for minimal effort. $45 if you do all of that and remove the Tau. -DoW 2 Remastered. Don't really need to do anything other than make the UI work at 4k+ resolutions and combine expansions. The game still looks exceptional, even a million years later. In fact, you'd have to do so little, it should just be a patch for current owners. -A very open ala Bauldur's Gate CRPG about an undercover Inquisitor stuck on a hive world, balancing survival against their beliefs. Do it in a 2D sprite engine and have Dan Abnett write the story. In fact, call it Dan Abnett's ____________. Bonus if you get to befriend a kind Ogryn. Use pen and paper rules. -A VR game where you play as an AM Techpriest building servitors, like PC Building Simulator, but really gross. -Streumon (Deathwing, Hired Gun dev) given a higher budget and more of a chance. They are extremely talented, just hampered by money. They do good work with what they have, they just need like a AA budget. If you've never played EYE: Divine Cybermancy, good lord that is an amazing first effort and you'll see its DNA in both 40k games they did. -More Slitherine. I REALLY enjoyed Armageddon, like way more than I should have. I think it is a severely underrated game; the video summed it up well: Panzer General but more accessible for a 40k fan. I'd like to see it get a Soul Storm/Retribution treatment with out of mission resource management and grand-strategy elements. Hell, something like this could be multi-world.
Fire warrior is weird because i often think "hey i loved that, ill play it" and then realise that shooting is nonsense, movement is kind of floaty and it has a habit of just not loading in the next objective. On harder difficulties it can softlock you out if the game past the thunderhawk boss fight. If you ran out of ammo that was it. No more ammo so no killing, no chance to get melee on the thunderhawk since it just flies arround strafing you and even if you did have ammo for your pulse rifle it would take way to long to make the game enjoyable past that 15 hours of doing the equivalent of chip damage to a boss. The grind of some final fantasy superbosses are more fun than that.
Darktide sure has some issues, but since the release of this video, we got some missions that follow a narrative (and slowly get more of an overall story in general) and some big updates for basically new classes and more challenges to complete
The 'best' part of the n-gage was that it was terrible at both being a handheld game console and being a phone. It was shaped like a Gameboy Advance, and you didn't talk to the screen side, as you might expect, but the skinny flat top. Using it as a phone was like talking to a taco.
BFG Leviathan was really good. It was a rare actual mobile game in an era of clash of clans or gacha nonsense. I played bfg tabletop as a kid, and it was a 1 to 1 adaptation of the tt rules, except a game took 10 minutes instead of 3 hours. Leviathan made me realize just how great and interesting the tt rules were, but how much speeding it all up and automating measurements and such really improved it. I had it on my phone for years, but no new content ever came out for it, which was a bummer, because it had so few factions.
Squad Command was definitely up there in terms of cool ideas for games. The destruction was on-point, the missions were cool and sometimes you feel like your were space marines holding the last stand at times when big vehicles started rolling on up. Absolutely awesome stuff. I would've preferred a PC sequel instead of the recent Grey Knight game that came out - but that's just me.
Tactical shooter... a la... Doom? Doom... the quintessential arcade/arena/action shooter with 0 (zero) tactical shooter elements (since that was a subgenre that came along much later)?
Honorable mention should be Dark Nexus Arena, Basically 40k but League of Legends. I played it at an Insomnia gaming festival and they gave me two T shirts, still have them even though the game got cancelled before it even began
Battlesector got me back into 40k after 20 years. Great game, but I was confused by what a Primaris marine was so googled it and got sucked back in lol. Regarding Combat Cards, the original physical game from the 1990s used real art too so it was an homage to that. (Jordan Sorcery on RUclips did a great video about it)
Battlefleet Gothic Leviathan I loved it I have no idea why they pulled it so soon. It was basically a literal port of tabletop dice rolls and all. GW needs to bring back BG tabletop already
A couple of missing games, Space Hulk had a couple of very similar spin offs in the early-mid 90's focusing on blood angels and another one for dark angels i think but can't be sure. You mentioned the first dawn of war but nothing on winter assault or dark crusade? there was also a java version of space hulk available for mobiles in the mid 00's (i had it on my Motorola L6) Edit: im an idiot i glossed over the fact that the space hulk games are all there. Good job! 😅
Your video description doesn't say anything about playing only Video or Console games. I was expecting to see the actual tabletop games as well as board games being played.
The thing with Warhammer IP is: you have to give away a lot of your earnings to GW, so few studios that can make a good game will be interested, because their games will most likely sell on their own. That leaves mostly studios that make mediocre games and decide to rely on the IP to sell copies for them.
A missing piece of context: the terms and costs of the IP from Games Workshop. Licencing agreements have drowned many businesses before, not just game studios. Thanks for the deep dive, love your style of analysis and interesting to see all the games over time side by side.
The ork metal slug game would have suited being in arcades in the 90s,. Looks a fun little game. Dakka squadron is really a missed opportunity on pc. It could have been a fun arcade shooter in the style of crimson skies. Space marine 2 could either be the death of 40k games or the rebirth. I'll tell you what gw needs to do though is trying to get larian to make a warhammer role-playing game done in similar fashion to bg3. That could be really fun. Approaching Microsoft and getting them to let iD go wild with a 40k shooter could be fun, even if they just reskinned doom eternal itd be the best 40k shooter we've had.
I feel like Rogue Trader will be pretty great with a few problems as the developer Owlcat Studios made Pathfinder: Kingmaker and Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous and both of those games are great Isometric CRPG games with weak elements like Kingdom Management and Crusade Management and Battles so therefore for me I think Rogue Trader will be a great CRPG game with lots of elements taken from the Tabletop RPG game and a good amount of character classes and options, but it may have weak Space Combat missions that are required for the story.
I think this is the first time I have watched this channel. I must admit that as a retro gamer I only recently played Halo (on an original Xbox hardware, no less) and I cannot agree with the comments about Fire Warrior. In comparing almost anything contemporary to Halo, generally Halo comes off as better. But I know lots of people who thoroughly enjoyed Fire Warrior back then anyway. I accept that Fire Warrior might not be this fellow's thing, but completely dissing it like that damages my respect for him. Still, each to their own. Also, yes, I did here about the N-Gage before this video. I am old enough to remember it being thing.
3:57 I had an N-Gage! it was one of the first smart phones available... plus it was a gaming console. I played an insane amount of Tony Hawk at a disturbingly low frame rate.
I dont think you mentioned it but squad command got a PSP release too. It was pretty good as I recall except there were very specific moves you had to make each turn to win as intended and if you went too far off script the the computer would struggle to beat you so just fudge all rolls to manufacturer challenge. Imagine advance wars but if you go too far off script the mission becomes unwillable.
The worst part of Necromunda: Underhive Wars is that it was the same team behind Mordheim: City of the Damned and that was a good first excursion into that style of game, but had some issues that people had confidence that would be addressed with Necromunda. That didn't happen. The same mistakes were made and nothing was learned from the first game.
Oh oh oh, squad command is actually also on psp which i never knew about till my brother got me a copy randomly about 2 years ago now, held up well on it xD
It's so wonderful to see that there is starting to be more gaming in your channel!🙌 could almost be a separate and new channel! Dave and Jazza, think about this. there are 3.09 billion gamers worldwide. ( alot of new sunscribers) And when you combine art, 3d printing digital art with gaming, you can get an exceptionally good amount of content regarding videos! As a fromsoft/souls gamer, I hope you could have a look at those games as well. But I love you, I look forward to new videos every Friday! You guys are totally raw! Both Jazza Vlog, Jazza Studio, Insert Art and Table top time! Thank you for making my everyday very good! 😊
3:02 I don't think you scored a single hit there. 'Like' for remembering that regicide isn't chess, though you could have included a picture of the regicide board from Tales of the Iron Snakes.
The continous change of the Dawn of War type games is totally confusing. I remember Dawn of war Dark Crusade and Soulstorm and Dawn of war 2 very well, but newer titles seem to be completely different games. 👀
I love the amount of work you guys put into the preparation and content of your videos! This goes for almost every video you release but what also is true for almost every video you release is that the actual video production doesn't hold up to the quality of the content imo. I wish you would spend some more time and love on the editing and presentation to match the wonderful work you do. For example there are often jarring jump cuts, uneven pacing and a lack of solid storytelling with clear introductions and a prominent thread. Some of these concerns are less prominent in this particular video, but I wanted to share my feedback on the channel overall and convey that I would personally much rather see somewhat fewer videos but with higher production quality. Given that Jazza is part of this fantastic crew, I know from his main channel (and some of your videos as well) that the knowledge on how to craft excellent videos is there, so I hope to see an effort put into getting close to matching your potential. Again, the content and personalities are there already, just needs that final touch of quality presentation to bring this channel from great to one of the best on here. Wish you all the best and thanks for listening 😊
Man.. I *really* tried to give DoWIII a fair go... but it was just so soooo terrible. My biggest pet peeve was that units just died far too fast which if this was a single unit style like SC is fine since you could micro around to get the most out of each unit but as a squad everyone just fell like flies since there was no actual way to keep a dying squad member alive longer. The worst part of this was was the fact that on top of the quick time to kill for each unit in a squad the balancing was just wrong... like take the basic units... Space Marine vs Boyz vs Dire Avenger... the Eldar ended up being the "fattest/hard to kill" over all because they came with shields on top of their normal HP.. the Eldar which is supposed to be the least durable of the base races aside from the specialised Striking Scorpions and Fire Dragons.. and with the Orkz hp difference being negligible to a Space Marine and being made up for with more numbers it ends up with a Space Marine Squad being the squishiest out of the 3!
Funny thing, I have played most of these games, except for the first two shooters, the Engage or Nintendo games, the mobile games, card games, and many of the shovel wear games.
Wasn't a big RTS back then. Still bought Dawn of War at full price - along with the expansions. It was THAT good. Although Soulstorm wasn't that good and only works as a base for mods like Unification and Ultimate Apocalypse. It's also nice to see that Streum On made bootleg WH40k game (EYE Divine Cybermancy) only to get the licence to make real WH40k games.
*Me, thinking I'm good becuase I played and finished 30 Star Wars Games* Then there's this legend XD 28* I couldn't figure out Rebel Assault 1 and 2 lol One last thing, I can forgive Fire Warriors graphics, Halo was a beast in the 2000s, it's a bit unfair to compare and Fire Warrior has a similar look to Medal of Honour Rising Sun which came out the same year.
It's not that their IP is cursed, it's that games workshop will whore themselves out to any developer willing to pay them for a license. That's why the overwhelming majority of warhammer games are utter trash.
I was about to type up a comment saying "you missed all these games" when I realized "oh wait... this is just 40k. Man thats a lot of failed 40k games, thats a lot of failed games in general"
so there is a connection between the soundtrack of Boltgun and Space Hulk from 1993 :3 the Soundtrack (listen to Get Out of My Way used for Space Hulk and then listen to Aquilas For Nothing and the Sororitas for Free from Boltguns OST :3
Hm, I’ve scrolled through most of the comments and I didn’t see anyone mentioning one missed game, Dark Nexus Arena. That game existed, right? It wasn’t a fever dream?
squad command was awesome, got it on the psp and it's got a lot of cool features for a smaller game... definitely not ground breaking but well worth playing
I had it on DS when I was too young to know what a tactics game was, so obviously my child brain didn't know what to do. Wish I could go back now and play it knowing what type of game it is, I was still very much impressed even at the time with the way it handled.
Dave well done mate, that was some nostalgic trauma... id say about 3/4s of so. About 15 and 10 years ago I got my hands on Fire warrior and a download of rites of war... finished both.. was so mediocre, but tried to think with rites of war what it was like for 40k fans of the time seeing a burning avatar in 3d animation back then. Go give your carpal tunnel a rest as youll need it now that all youll probably want to do is paint and maybe roll dice... or even a nice walk in the sunshine.... thats no sun!!!... its an exterminatisss atta........🎉.(end transmission)
DW3 campaign is so easy even in the hardest dificulty, the last mission might be the hardest(more annoying to be accurate) due to the Bloodletter spam. I expected better.
Get Your Stealth 14 au.msi.com/Promotion/2023EOFY (spon) and a HUGE thank you to MSI for making this video possible!
Lost interest, I thought this was (TABLE)top time?
*_I really hope you are OK after putting yourself through this hell._*
*_You did miss a few, I can't remember their names; they have been removed from my mobile by dev/GW._*
*_There could be a "Part 2"? There's a few Warhammer Fantasy games as well, and some other GW IPs. Was there not also a 20K and 30K game?_*
*_A friend of mine has collected ALL W40K video games/mobile games/console games and has them now all on 1 PC that never is connected to to the Internet or gets any updates._*
*_I forget which game had a built-in self destruct, 1 game he just lost because it terminated on a certain date/time?_*
*_Sail The High Seas if you want a complete collection of past W40k games._*
The Hinges on that Laptop is gonna break soon, you just wait.
My MSI GE76 Raider's hinges broke today. MSI is facing a Class Action Lawsuit in USA because of their overly tightened hinges that hundreds of people have broken from normal usage. Sad but true.
Also: MSI's Thermal Paste is like dried bubble gum: Absolute CRAP! But the over heating issue is easily fixed. Just remove the old crappy Thermal Paste and replace it with Noctua NT-H2 3.5g and it will run like a dream. My new Temps went from "Burning my fingers on the WASD buttons" (yes, for real) - to sitting steady at 38°C when playing heavy games like Borderlands 3 and Cyberpunk 2077. So no more heating issues. Other smaller issues disappeared as well, likely caused by the previous overheating.
Dawn of War didn't include the Squats...
i have a copy of 40k squad command its a good game
I worked at Gamestation when the NGage was released. One kid pre ordered it. I believe it was our one pre order for the whole store for that Cornish pasty looking thing. He was so stoked on release day. So one person in existence did own an NGage
Next video should be finishing every game completely
Well I now know you only want my suffering. Thanks
@@TabletopTime It is better to die for the Emperor than to live for yourself.
@@TabletopTime dew it
What people wanted out of Darktide was 40k Vermintide 2, what we got was a repetitive, terribly optimized, add-on to a MTX-cash shop
I think people don't realize how many years of development Vermintide 2 has over Darktide. Vermintide 2 was also almost a dead game with a horrible release at some point. I still believe Darktide will get there one day. Or Darktide 2.
@@martind5653 i mean ive not stopped playng it since release. its buggy, has a shitty cash shop but i ignore it. but its also got very compelling gameplay that is actually fun which is rare these days
games good now
I love darktide 🙁
It took me until Respect 20 before I realized there was a MTX shop
”Never heard of N-Gage, have you?”
*Cries in aging Finnish software engineer*
Yeah I knew 2 people who had them in the UK. So DW
Yea I had one as a kid envy of all my friends
Thank you for your service!
I remember that thing. Nearly crapped myself seeing Tomb Raider running on that thing in a mall kiosk. Then I actually crapped myself when I saw the price.
As a indie game dev and someone whos life revolves around video games in general yeah i know about every obscure piece of software that can play games that has ever existed lol
I actually remember the N-gage being released. Because it was a phone AND a games console, it fell short as both for most people. I saw a preowned one once in my local games store. As they kept the niche items downstairs (and most people didn't even realise there was a downstairs) not many people knew about the best things that store sold (and that they had an arcade machine that you could play for free).
So you're saying the nguage is a strange artifact of interest? That makes sense
N-Gage was basically what mobiles are today.. phones that can also play apps/games. The problem of course was it tried to market itself as a handheld console alternative instead of a phone with gaming capabilities. And the technology just wasn't up to par back then so Nokia threaded the line and tried to do something that did both but excelled at neither leading it to be passed on by a lot of folks.
I enjoyed Eternal Crusade, and others did too. There's a fan project working on bringing the game back (same way fans created Return of Reckoning to bring back Warhammer Online). So basically Eternal Crusade without any of the moneygrubbing and greed.
Fatshark absolutely dropped the ball with Darktide. Vermintide 2 was a really fun game and well worth sitting down to play with friends. I had high hopes for Darktide, but I still can't even play it. Even now it just crashes a few minutes after launch every time. Even if it didn't, the 2 hours of gameplay I've gotten out of it were just dry af.
As a 4X fan, I can safely say that Gladius is quite liked by us. Though it is more of a wargame rather than a 4X game. Also you hit the nail on the multiplayer part. I seldom play it single, it is a joy on multi though.
Dave the oddity of a Mechanicus Inqusitor isnt quite that odd - there IS an Ordo Mechanicus in the Inqusition that monitors the Mechanicus so it would make a small bit of sense to have at least a few Tech Priest inqusitors or interrogators !
Final Liberation, Shadow of the Horned Rat and Dark Omen were the glory period of GW Games. (Outside the obvious Dow 1/2)
Dave...why do you do this to yourself?
But thank you for taking us down this little history lane. I didn't know that there were so many Warhammer games. But I got to say, it's been...informative.
Can't wait for Space Marine 2. The bug models look amazing.
I was so optimistic and enthusiastic when I started, two weeks later I never wanted to touch a video game again
@@TabletopTime please don’t do that. How else will you decompress after a long week of awesome tabletop projects
All in all, thank you for the awesome video
Quick note unrelated to the rest of my message: I heavily recommend keeping an eye on Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader! It’s a CRPG in development by Owlcat games, makers of Pathfinder: Kingmaker and Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous which are some of my favourite games and therefore I have very high hopes for RT. Currently it’s got a playtest going on available if you pledge money to it as, like the Pathfinder games, they make a system of getting a bunch of funding from fans and you typically get some pretty need rewards too! I’ve dabbled in the playtest for 9 hours and it seems pretty good, keeping in mind the current development stage. Not gonna go much much further because I know what my attention span is like and it’ll struggle playing the same bits of game again
I loved killteam! Me and my father played countless hours together
I still find it amusing that it took me until 2017 to realise 40k was a thing, even tho I had played DOW1, 2, space marine and the aforementioned kill team 😅
My fondest memories are definitely killteam (Eternal Crusade being a close second, being the thing that introduced me to a guild that developed my interest into 40k and chased the development of my Soul Drinkers character that you see in use as my pfp today even with the absolution of the guild, still working on him :D) tho, introduced me to the beauty of the heavy bolter that still remains my favourite piece of weaponry
Best thing about Freeblade is that they had a contest for best in-game livery. The winner got a GW-painted Knight in their design!
They don't "give away" their IP, however last I checked they were cheap to lease back than. Typical lease for an IP is around $40000-45000. This makes it a prime IP to pick up for a fledgling game studio to pick up with some of the money they got from loans. You'll easily get that $40 or so thousand dollars back, pay back the rest of what they owe GW, pay their workers, and still make a profit.
I loved Deathwatch Tyranids. It had a few freeze problems but overall was fun and consistent.
A fantasy and sigmar follow up video might be worthwhile in a few months time. It will be interesting to see how things compare.
We used to stock the N-Gage in out store. I played on a demo one. It was actually pretty good for the time.
We never sold a single 1 though. Was overpriced for a phone.
I personally do like Gladius. While it's true, that the story is lacking, at least each faction has it's own goals and paired with the random maps, it has somewhat of a replayability. Apart from that, it's one of the few games that still gets supported by the developer (last patch was at the end of last month).
Also Boltgun is a fun game which a play on and off for a few hours once a week or so (not the biggest FPS guy, but the combination of artstyle and humor - not taking itself to serious - does something for me).
Personally I'd love to see something like a total war game for 40k - apocalypse scale tactical army rts - as that would really fit in the universe. Like a real tyranid swarm or ork horde against regiments worth of guardsmen :D
I'd love a campaign style old school call of duty type game, but imperial guard trench fighting vs Orks or something. Gladius didn't get a bad review, it was a "it is good for the genre if you like 4x but could have been more"
I remember the 90s games fondly!
I also had the bug of crashing as soon as you launch Battlefleet Gothic 2 back acouple years ago. I refunded my copy and eventually gave it another try on my pc and it worked. It didn't like my laptop at all
R.I.P. all the studios that died upon the cliffs of Warhammer
Man I am so excited for when Dark Tide is actually finished and fully released
See that mentality is what enables games like Dark Tide to come out. We shouldn't forgive and forget. Darktide was finished and fully released. It just wasn't good enough. Regardless of what happens to the game afterwards they chose to release their game in an unacceptable state. That should not be forgotten or forgiven. Or it leads to more games like Darktide.
@@DoctorEviloply I mean I agree with everything except you saying it was fully released. It isn’t finished. We have a barebones shooter. But Vermintide was the same way. It took years for it to be a full game. Darktide will be the same. I’ll come back when they’ve actually finished it
@@DoctorEviloply I think they're more comparing it to No Man's Sky in that the release was not a game, but the work put into it over time finally made it a playable fun time. Though don't take that as me forgiving Darktide in any way, we can have hope while recognising the issues.
A very nice list. I feel ancient now because I remember a lot of them coming out, but a good list none the less. I am looking forward to when you make the mistake of doing the Warhammer Fantasy video games. Shadow of the Horned Rat here we come!
"Let's go somewhere more comfortable to [play games]" -> Sits down on a couch with the laptop in his lap and mouse on an arm rest?
Are you okay?
Freeblade surprised me, it was actually fun game, even if simple.
Now, will you make fantasy/AoS video?
DoW2 was amazing I wish there were more squad based RTS like this with RPG elements
I agree! Imho, the multiplayer part (with/against human players!) is what makes it shine the most. To me, DOW2 Retribution with the (still updated (bugfixing, new content etc.) and better balanced) Elite Mod is the best that DOW has to offer, and I have played them all, on- and offline. The level of tactical micromanagement, positioning (with cover and shotblockers etc.), the suppression mechanics, destructible environments, unit preservation with veterancy levels and the skillshot-potential with various unit and hero abilities etc., etc. is unmatched, as as I am concerned. I didn't miss the basebuilding at all - it was a breath of fresh air.
Good luck for when you get to Space Wolf. That game is unnecessarily hard.
Dawn of War was my first exposure to the 40k universe and I didn't realize there was a table top game or the amazingly deep lore at the time. Only recently started painting minis 4 years ago and diving deep in the lore, big fan now all because of a excellent RTS
Hey Dave.....just a quick heads-up on Gothic Armada 2. I had the same issue you did, but I installed the Skalgrim mod from the Steam workshop (adds a ton of ships as well as the Dark Mechanicum), and it works fine now. So, if you're looking to play in your spare time, this might work for you too.
I hope both Space Marine 2 and Rogue Trader are great titles!
Rogue looks great, check out Party Elite's playthroughs
Rogue trader ended up being a banger!
Man, my favorite licensed property is a mixed bag with way too many dirty needles to accidentally grab. Shame about Legacy of Dorn; it is genuinely good and giving more BL books the same treatment would have been a huge boon for dedicated 40k readers.
Also, I don't usually comment on sponsors, but the Stealth 14 is a very solid laptop. I sell them at work, and I'd take it over an XPS any day.
Things I'd like to see in the 2020's:
-DoW 1 Remastered. Take DoW 1, update the graphics, repackage so all of the expansions are in one installer, Bob's your uncle you have my $40 for minimal effort. $45 if you do all of that and remove the Tau.
-DoW 2 Remastered. Don't really need to do anything other than make the UI work at 4k+ resolutions and combine expansions. The game still looks exceptional, even a million years later. In fact, you'd have to do so little, it should just be a patch for current owners.
-A very open ala Bauldur's Gate CRPG about an undercover Inquisitor stuck on a hive world, balancing survival against their beliefs. Do it in a 2D sprite engine and have Dan Abnett write the story. In fact, call it Dan Abnett's ____________. Bonus if you get to befriend a kind Ogryn. Use pen and paper rules.
-A VR game where you play as an AM Techpriest building servitors, like PC Building Simulator, but really gross.
-Streumon (Deathwing, Hired Gun dev) given a higher budget and more of a chance. They are extremely talented, just hampered by money. They do good work with what they have, they just need like a AA budget. If you've never played EYE: Divine Cybermancy, good lord that is an amazing first effort and you'll see its DNA in both 40k games they did.
-More Slitherine. I REALLY enjoyed Armageddon, like way more than I should have. I think it is a severely underrated game; the video summed it up well: Panzer General but more accessible for a 40k fan. I'd like to see it get a Soul Storm/Retribution treatment with out of mission resource management and grand-strategy elements. Hell, something like this could be multi-world.
Chaos gate rocked my world as a kid.
Fire warrior is weird because i often think "hey i loved that, ill play it" and then realise that shooting is nonsense, movement is kind of floaty and it has a habit of just not loading in the next objective.
On harder difficulties it can softlock you out if the game past the thunderhawk boss fight. If you ran out of ammo that was it. No more ammo so no killing, no chance to get melee on the thunderhawk since it just flies arround strafing you and even if you did have ammo for your pulse rifle it would take way to long to make the game enjoyable past that 15 hours of doing the equivalent of chip damage to a boss. The grind of some final fantasy superbosses are more fun than that.
Darktide sure has some issues, but since the release of this video, we got some missions that follow a narrative (and slowly get more of an overall story in general) and some big updates for basically new classes and more challenges to complete
i have to be honest. The Story was the best Part of DoW3. Every other thing in it was bad. But the Cutscenes were good and funny
Darktide and Chaos Gate: Deamonhunter are pretty good
The 'best' part of the n-gage was that it was terrible at both being a handheld game console and being a phone. It was shaped like a Gameboy Advance, and you didn't talk to the screen side, as you might expect, but the skinny flat top. Using it as a phone was like talking to a taco.
Tacticus! I share that addiction with you Dave!
BFG Leviathan was really good. It was a rare actual mobile game in an era of clash of clans or gacha nonsense. I played bfg tabletop as a kid, and it was a 1 to 1 adaptation of the tt rules, except a game took 10 minutes instead of 3 hours. Leviathan made me realize just how great and interesting the tt rules were, but how much speeding it all up and automating measurements and such really improved it. I had it on my phone for years, but no new content ever came out for it, which was a bummer, because it had so few factions.
Squad Command was definitely up there in terms of cool ideas for games. The destruction was on-point, the missions were cool and sometimes you feel like your were space marines holding the last stand at times when big vehicles started rolling on up. Absolutely awesome stuff. I would've preferred a PC sequel instead of the recent Grey Knight game that came out - but that's just me.
Rest in piece Dark Millennium Online
Tactical shooter... a la... Doom? Doom... the quintessential arcade/arena/action shooter with 0 (zero) tactical shooter elements (since that was a subgenre that came along much later)?
Warhammer 40,000: Squad Command was also available for the playstation portable.
I kind of want Dave to do a Space Marine II let's play now.
a game that doesn't exist?
@@PongoDaMan A game that'll come out soon.
Honorable mention should be Dark Nexus Arena, Basically 40k but League of Legends. I played it at an Insomnia gaming festival and they gave me two T shirts, still have them even though the game got cancelled before it even began
Rogue Trader, please be good, please be good, PLEASE!
Battlesector got me back into 40k after 20 years. Great game, but I was confused by what a Primaris marine was so googled it and got sucked back in lol. Regarding Combat Cards, the original physical game from the 1990s used real art too so it was an homage to that. (Jordan Sorcery on RUclips did a great video about it)
And now we need the same type of series for Warhammer fantasy/aos games, it might be much shorter?
Battlefleet Gothic Leviathan I loved it I have no idea why they pulled it so soon. It was basically a literal port of tabletop dice rolls and all.
GW needs to bring back BG tabletop already
A couple of missing games, Space Hulk had a couple of very similar spin offs in the early-mid 90's focusing on blood angels and another one for dark angels i think but can't be sure. You mentioned the first dawn of war but nothing on winter assault or dark crusade? there was also a java version of space hulk available for mobiles in the mid 00's (i had it on my Motorola L6)
Edit: im an idiot i glossed over the fact that the space hulk games are all there. Good job! 😅
Your video description doesn't say anything about playing only Video or Console games. I was expecting to see the actual tabletop games as well as board games being played.
OG Chaos Gate will always be my favorite 40k game.
Fantastic. Should have wrapped with a top ten or top five
The thing with Warhammer IP is: you have to give away a lot of your earnings to GW, so few studios that can make a good game will be interested, because their games will most likely sell on their own. That leaves mostly studios that make mediocre games and decide to rely on the IP to sell copies for them.
A missing piece of context: the terms and costs of the IP from Games Workshop. Licencing agreements have drowned many businesses before, not just game studios. Thanks for the deep dive, love your style of analysis and interesting to see all the games over time side by side.
Last year licencing was what made gw actually make a profit. Without the licencing income increase they'd probably have posted a 4-8m loss.
The ork metal slug game would have suited being in arcades in the 90s,. Looks a fun little game.
Dakka squadron is really a missed opportunity on pc. It could have been a fun arcade shooter in the style of crimson skies.
Space marine 2 could either be the death of 40k games or the rebirth.
I'll tell you what gw needs to do though is trying to get larian to make a warhammer role-playing game done in similar fashion to bg3. That could be really fun.
Approaching Microsoft and getting them to let iD go wild with a 40k shooter could be fun, even if they just reskinned doom eternal itd be the best 40k shooter we've had.
I feel like Rogue Trader will be pretty great with a few problems as the developer Owlcat Studios made Pathfinder: Kingmaker and Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous and both of those games are great Isometric CRPG games with weak elements like Kingdom Management and Crusade Management and Battles so therefore for me I think Rogue Trader will be a great CRPG game with lots of elements taken from the Tabletop RPG game and a good amount of character classes and options, but it may have weak Space Combat missions that are required for the story.
I think this is the first time I have watched this channel. I must admit that as a retro gamer I only recently played Halo (on an original Xbox hardware, no less) and I cannot agree with the comments about Fire Warrior. In comparing almost anything contemporary to Halo, generally Halo comes off as better. But I know lots of people who thoroughly enjoyed Fire Warrior back then anyway. I accept that Fire Warrior might not be this fellow's thing, but completely dissing it like that damages my respect for him. Still, each to their own.
Also, yes, I did here about the N-Gage before this video. I am old enough to remember it being thing.
3:57 I had an N-Gage! it was one of the first smart phones available... plus it was a gaming console. I played an insane amount of Tony Hawk at a disturbingly low frame rate.
The mechanicus ost alone is so awesome
Time to jump back on some free blade and once I beat doom, get in to bolt gun, got it!!! :) Great involved vid!!!
I dont think you mentioned it but squad command got a PSP release too. It was pretty good as I recall except there were very specific moves you had to make each turn to win as intended and if you went too far off script the the computer would struggle to beat you so just fudge all rolls to manufacturer challenge. Imagine advance wars but if you go too far off script the mission becomes unwillable.
The worst part of Necromunda: Underhive Wars is that it was the same team behind Mordheim: City of the Damned and that was a good first excursion into that style of game, but had some issues that people had confidence that would be addressed with Necromunda. That didn't happen. The same mistakes were made and nothing was learned from the first game.
Squad Command was also on the PSP
Oh oh oh, squad command is actually also on psp which i never knew about till my brother got me a copy randomly about 2 years ago now, held up well on it xD
It's so wonderful to see that there is starting to be more gaming in your channel!🙌 could almost be a separate and new channel! Dave and Jazza, think about this. there are 3.09 billion gamers worldwide. ( alot of new sunscribers) And when you combine art, 3d printing digital art with gaming, you can get an exceptionally good amount of content regarding videos! As a fromsoft/souls gamer, I hope you could have a look at those games as well. But I love you, I look forward to new videos every Friday! You guys are totally raw! Both Jazza Vlog, Jazza Studio, Insert Art and Table top time! Thank you for making my everyday very good! 😊
Rites of war was done using the Panzer General engine albeit modified IIRC.
3:02 I don't think you scored a single hit there.
'Like' for remembering that regicide isn't chess, though you could have included a picture of the regicide board from Tales of the Iron Snakes.
The continous change of the Dawn of War type games is totally confusing. I remember Dawn of war Dark Crusade and Soulstorm and Dawn of war 2 very well, but newer titles seem to be completely different games. 👀
I love the amount of work you guys put into the preparation and content of your videos! This goes for almost every video you release but what also is true for almost every video you release is that the actual video production doesn't hold up to the quality of the content imo. I wish you would spend some more time and love on the editing and presentation to match the wonderful work you do. For example there are often jarring jump cuts, uneven pacing and a lack of solid storytelling with clear introductions and a prominent thread. Some of these concerns are less prominent in this particular video, but I wanted to share my feedback on the channel overall and convey that I would personally much rather see somewhat fewer videos but with higher production quality. Given that Jazza is part of this fantastic crew, I know from his main channel (and some of your videos as well) that the knowledge on how to craft excellent videos is there, so I hope to see an effort put into getting close to matching your potential. Again, the content and personalities are there already, just needs that final touch of quality presentation to bring this channel from great to one of the best on here.
Wish you all the best and thanks for listening 😊
Thanks for the feedback, this is an area we are aiming to improve
Man.. I *really* tried to give DoWIII a fair go... but it was just so soooo terrible.
My biggest pet peeve was that units just died far too fast which if this was a single unit style like SC is fine since you could micro around to get the most out of each unit but as a squad everyone just fell like flies since there was no actual way to keep a dying squad member alive longer.
The worst part of this was was the fact that on top of the quick time to kill for each unit in a squad the balancing was just wrong... like take the basic units... Space Marine vs Boyz vs Dire Avenger... the Eldar ended up being the "fattest/hard to kill" over all because they came with shields on top of their normal HP.. the Eldar which is supposed to be the least durable of the base races aside from the specialised Striking Scorpions and Fire Dragons.. and with the Orkz hp difference being negligible to a Space Marine and being made up for with more numbers it ends up with a Space Marine Squad being the squishiest out of the 3!
Funny thing, I have played most of these games, except for the first two shooters, the Engage or Nintendo games, the mobile games, card games, and many of the shovel wear games.
Wasn't a big RTS back then. Still bought Dawn of War at full price - along with the expansions. It was THAT good. Although Soulstorm wasn't that good and only works as a base for mods like Unification and Ultimate Apocalypse. It's also nice to see that Streum On made bootleg WH40k game (EYE Divine Cybermancy) only to get the licence to make real WH40k games.
This is probably one of the most hit-and-miss franchises for video games.
It contains some of the best games ever made, and some real poopers.
At least one vintage game was missed: Gorkamorka
Boltgun is so fun, first game I immediately replayed in a while
wow, Dawn of War was the first 40k game i ever heard of. didnt know there were 40k games before it
Rites of War is my all time favourite 40k game!
space crusade was god tier as were chaos gate and the cinematics for final liberation
You missed the Rogue Trader Beta. Quite hard but tons of fun.
*Me, thinking I'm good becuase I played and finished 30 Star Wars Games*
Then there's this legend XD
28* I couldn't figure out Rebel Assault 1 and 2 lol
One last thing, I can forgive Fire Warriors graphics, Halo was a beast in the 2000s, it's a bit unfair to compare and Fire Warrior has a similar look to Medal of Honour Rising Sun which came out the same year.
It's not that their IP is cursed, it's that games workshop will whore themselves out to any developer willing to pay them for a license. That's why the overwhelming majority of warhammer games are utter trash.
I was about to type up a comment saying "you missed all these games" when I realized "oh wait... this is just 40k. Man thats a lot of failed 40k games, thats a lot of failed games in general"
3:55 Wait, you didn't know of it? Didn't own one personally but played a few games on it.
i wish we could get the dark millenium assets (if any even existed) into the hands of the modding community and get an emulated server going
so there is a connection between the soundtrack of Boltgun and Space Hulk from 1993 :3 the Soundtrack (listen to Get Out of My Way used for Space Hulk and then listen to Aquilas For Nothing and the Sororitas for Free from Boltguns OST :3
Hm, I’ve scrolled through most of the comments and I didn’t see anyone mentioning one missed game, Dark Nexus Arena. That game existed, right? It wasn’t a fever dream?
I still love the original chaos gate to this day mannnnnnn
You HAD to flex your espresso set up ! I don't care about your computer, what's your espresso machine ?!
squad command was awesome, got it on the psp and it's got a lot of cool features for a smaller game... definitely not ground breaking but well worth playing
I had it on DS when I was too young to know what a tactics game was, so obviously my child brain didn't know what to do. Wish I could go back now and play it knowing what type of game it is, I was still very much impressed even at the time with the way it handled.
Did you get the cut scenes from Final Liberation to play?
The only way I found was to run it on a Windows 98 Virtual machine.
Dave well done mate, that was some nostalgic trauma... id say about 3/4s of so. About 15 and 10 years ago I got my hands on Fire warrior and a download of rites of war... finished both.. was so mediocre, but tried to think with rites of war what it was like for 40k fans of the time seeing a burning avatar in 3d animation back then.
Go give your carpal tunnel a rest as youll need it now that all youll probably want to do is paint and maybe roll dice... or even a nice walk in the sunshine.... thats no sun!!!... its an exterminatisss atta........🎉.(end transmission)
that's not a coffee, that's a cappuccino, but at least your coffee machine looks good, 7/10
Remember playing Final Liberation back in the day, it was a bit too hard for a kid who didn't know English yet though :p
Weren't they going to make a MMO 40K ages ago? It would of been amazing.. Love Dawn Of War
Dark millinuim. It got canned wayyyy long time ago saddly
@@zinkaghost6490 that’s it I was so hyped for that
Final Liberation needs to be remade with more races available to play.
DW3 campaign is so easy even in the hardest dificulty, the last mission might be the hardest(more annoying to be accurate) due to the Bloodletter spam. I expected better.
Keep an eye out for Warpforged if you like digital card games like Hearthstone and Horus Heresy. The beta was extremely promising
I'm looking forward to Rogue Trader. Owlcat did a great job on their two Pathfinder games. So I anticipate a good game.
The Alpha and Beta have looked good.