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Flight simulation has become a huge part of aviation training over the last 10 years. The trend just keeps accelerating as technology brings us better flight simulators and more realism.
I was a "flight sim baby", having grown up playing simulation games, and even taking it quite serious at times. But over the years I found that I wasn't flying airplanes for real, and was rather spending too much time with the simulators.
Jump ahead several years, I then became a flight instructor and simulation took on an entirely different role. There's plenty of great options out there available for a flight school, but not all of them are certified. At this time it's not my intention to get a certified flight simulator, but I certainly want to make sure that I have something my students can use.
That's where John and his company StayLevelAvionix comes in. While there are a lot of great third party peripherals like yokes, throttle quadrants, GPS devices and so on. His panel brings all of these things into one package, and looks very processional.
You'll see part of the production process of the flight sim panel, in addition to our talking about the setup, how it's useful as a training tool from a CFI's perspective, and more.
Hope you enjoy the video!
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“Nice and stable, it’s not going anywhere right”.
Table nearly breaks off at the legs.
When did he say that?
Freakin' AWESOME job shooting and editing that opening montage covering the production of the panel!
It was your channel and seeing your new set-up that brought me here. Hope your IFR training is going well along with your RV-14 build.
John G - thanks John! All is well in Flight Chops land :)
Awesome job perfect job done you need only to change the table to the soled one.👍
Where did you purchase your throttle quadrant from?
@@drewgraver8511 - Previously owned, but can find them on eBay if looking frequently, around ~$300 or so.
The most critical and important phase of any CAT 1 ILS is the LAST 200 feet. Aircraft have continued at DH on GS, only to land short. Remember, you don't have to have the runway in sight to continue at DH. The callout to yourself at DH with only the approach lights in sight is "continue". Not "land". Did you know there is another "DH" at 100 feet above the TDZE? You need the red terminating or red side row lights in sight to continue. If the airport doesn't have the red lights, you need to have the runway in sight at 100 TDZE.
So...teach yourself to go back and forth between visual outside and the instruments below 200 feet. Outside, inside, outside, inside, etc. This will keep you on glideslope to the runway (notice how you went below GS after DH on your approach? Back and forth to the instruments would have prevented this) and, just as important, you won't have to waste precious seconds transitioning from visual back to the gauges. By going back and forth, your brain is already there. A wind gust blew snow to zero vis when I was below 100 feet on an ILS once, and my missed approach was uneventful because I was already on the gauges.
Use this technique on all of your approaches. Especially at minimums. Circling at minimums is strictly a visual maneuver. But, constantly monitoring your altitude, AS, bank, etc, makes a possibmiss on a circle so much easier. Going IMC and having to reorient back to instruments creates a delay similar to recovering from unusual attitudes. It takes a few seconds.
Just a tip. FWIW..
As an aviation college student, I am extremely envious of your setup...
@floatpool 😳😳
Just happened to see this video. Great job. During lockdown here I continue to train using Skype screen sharing. Great to see distance training and affordable home simulation being promoted. HARDWARE COMPARISON - I use a 60" LED TV and similar gear. Gives the full Cessna 6 pack panel on screen and LIFE SIZE to boot. Except... I invested in a YOKO yoke from Virtual Fly and MFG rudders. My CFI/CFII rated realism at 8+ out of 10, discounted only because no G forces. Can't do better. I also hang a TrackIR 5 send/receive detector on my big screen using dental floss, high enough for zero visual interference in flight. In one lesson, where I became task saturated, caused me to break out in a sweat and I was not breathing. Needed a 15 minute break after landing to recover. I have AirManager on a separate touch screen just at my right side. So I have 2 VOR's / ADF / COM/NAV x 2 / DME and the Knobster device for input. So my AirManager matches the X-Plane C172 very closely. Last thought... get the Desktop Aviation Flap Switch!
I'd love to see a pic of your setup for reference 😎🙏
I love how your biggest complaint is no force feedback on the trim wheel.
That's a beautiful setup! Now do it some justice--throw out that rickety card table and build a nice, solid wood desk/table/frame to mount it on. I would find it very distracting that the table is wobbling as you are using the flight controls (unless you're going for simulated turbulence).
This is such a nice panel it's FRUSTRATING (because I don't have it.) I've spent a lot of time researching what components get you the best bang for the buck and I believe this panel has nailed it in every instance, except 2 minor ones. Minor in cost, but not minor in improvement, that is. So, NOT in the spirit of chasing perfection, because that's a never ending fools errand... BUT... in the interest of creating as realistic experience as possible to flying a real airplane; I believe there are 2 upgrades you could make that would make the most dramatic increase in realism for a smallish cost. CHANGE 1: Replace the Saitek Cessna yoke with the Honeycomb yoke. Every review I've seen suggests that the Honeycomb scores '7' or '8' for realism (compared to the Redbird or Yoko, etc), with a '3' price-point. CHANGE 2: Replace the iPad with the following combination: touchscreen monitor ($200 or less), Knobster ($100ish), and drive the monitor with a laptop running Air Manager ($65). I'll assume you have a laptop available and don't need to buy one. The Air Manager program allows you to integrate the Knobster with XPlane. Unfortunately, there is an iOS version of Air Manager, but it can NOT control the Knobster. the Knobster allows you to have an actual PHYSICAL knob (inner & outer controls, like on a Garmin 530) for literally every single control that has such a button. For example, want to change your heading bug? Tap that control on the screen, but then actually make the change with Knobster. The tactile difference isn't just more accurate, it's more like the real thing so that the coordination between brain, eye, and hand, remain as close to the real thing as possible. Just my 2 cents. Please check those 2 changes out and let me know what you think. For Austin Meyer's (creator of X-Plane) review of the Honeycomb, here's the link....
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The panel looks great. I just built my own simulator to help me through instrument training. I would love to upgrade to one of these panels one day. Great video Chris!
Wow terrific! How much is going to cost everything for complete set up? Please let me know where I can purchase the complete set to set up in the house. Thank you.
Hello sir, thank you for posting this video, nicely done! I know costs are very subjective, but a list of the components you put together for your sim package, with just nominal costs would really help start the planning process for myself, and perhaps others. I think of doing something like this, but then think of the cost in terms of actual flying hours "lost out on" and hesitate to move forward. Looking forward to more videos!
$879 - SLAVX Panel
$399 - RealSimGear 530
$399 - iPad Pro 12.9 (1st Gen)
$299 - Saitek Throttle
$169 - Logitech Yoke
$149 - Logitech Radio Panel
$99 - Logitech Switch Panel
$39 - USB-C Hub
$2,432 (Minus Computer and Monitor/TV)
Hi Chris,
Hope you are well.
Always have appreciated your insights, all the way back from the audio podcast days.
Just a thought, as I’m also a simmer with my PPL in Oz;
How are you doing with the height of your monitor?
You may have found that you get a sore neck after a while.
If so, you may find that if you lower it, you will experience a little more comfort mate.
It seems like you have the room go lower in on the wall behind the panel.
Anyway brother, wishing you and your family well in the Great North, and ongoing growth and success in your business endeavours Chris.
From you namesake in Sydney, Australia,
Chris
SUPER fantastic video!!! We've come a long way baby!!! This looks like a game changer for flight simmers!!! SIMMERS UNITE!!!! Thanks !!! I have been flight simming over thirty years!!! back when everything looked like stick figures or a cartoon!!! And now its like something out the MATRIX MOVIES!!! VERY REALISTIC...THE FUTURE LOOKS GREAT FOR FLIGHT SIMULATION!!
Nice build ...I built my first cockpit(plywood duct tape and glue and pvc pipe)... over 40 years ago I had an Atari II or Comadore 64 (floppy disk).computer Flight Simulator II.....it was funky ...but it helped me to get my pilots licence!!!... I never looked back......
One of the best simulation.
Year 2022,
RC fighter jet toy equipped with head tracker & FPV (first person point of view)
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FPV Precision Aerobatics Demo using Open Source Head Tracker.
Cool setup, Chris. Sims have come a long way, you can flip on the power and actually fly VMC. :-)
Great manufacturing process, and it shows!
Brunner flight controls (electric full force feedback) and VR work the best for me, as I feel the same as in real world flying.
I once worked for a company that wanted to simulate a Lear Jet. They had taken pictures of the inside of a Lear Jet cockpit and reproduced it out of wood with a cut out for each instrument. Then they lined up all the instruments on one large TV screen with the cutouts of wood and you could only see one indicator through its cutout. A cheap way of making a Lear Jet simulator.
I don’t know you guys but that was terrific What you did for John He just laid up he was so happy You guys are a bunch of terrific guys much respect and much love Bronx New York
4am here in Australia...couldn't sleep,.. so somehow ended up on internet flying off an airstrip in Alaska!!!! WOW!!!!
An odd video in ways. Simulation and ALASKA!
It's quite possible to do this for less than a few hundred dollars. There are many tutorials online for building home made sims. Just do a quick search and see for yourself. Flight Sims should be obtainable for the everyday enthusiast. It's already unfair that they make flying unaffordable, the least they could do is allow the average person to experience a simulation of flight.
Hopefully my comment won't be deleted again. Not sure who did it.
Very Nice, now you need a firmly built or constituted table. lol
That is BADASS! Love that panel!
Lol, the panel looks superb and steady, but that wobbling desk?? Maybe not quite so sturdy ;-)
But it might be a perfect simulation of real-world IFR turbulence :)
I worked on flight simulators for the airlines for over 20 years and every day I felt like I was in a real airplane.
James Koralewski ...in the simulator for the airlines was there an option to see the plane from the outside..like chase plane might see?
@@donaldholman9070 Not on passenger jet simulators like Delta or American, but the military simulators had this function.
Hi Quality? It looks better then my training Cessna.
I thought with the "fragile" label on the box, you'd pull out a leg lamp! Great video.
FRA-GEE-LE... Must be Italian!
I want to know what is the apps did you used for the iPad?
Outstanding job. I'm a +- 20 years ''simpilot'', I've seen quite a number of ''home simulator'' tubes, and let me tell you... this one looks awesome. Hope in future Angle of attack videos we'll get us some ''free lessons'' explanation videos. For now 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
By the way. Is it possible to let us know what software and fsim you're using???
Flying Dutchman - Sweet comment, totally accurate too. Details are...Windows 10 64-bit w/ X-Plane 11 and the gauges are run on an iPad Pro using RemoteFlight Cockpit HD. Garmin GNS530 unit is manufactured by RealSimGear and everything integrated with a custom SLAVX panel. Stay Level 🤙
Coppy that. Happy landings.
@@StayLevelAvionix Do you think RealSimGear 530/430 Knobs will hold up?
I agree with Steve from FlightChops. It was a great video. The panel is beautiful. If I can make one suggestion for your yoke, I would add a Leo Bodnar BU0836A into it and route your pitch and roll potentiometers to that board. That will get rid of the dead zone you were fighting. I have an old Saitek yoke that I did that to (I also moved all the buttons over because the original control board kept having problems), and the dead zones went away.
I have a honeycomb setup and use trackIR. That's pretty realistic. The only thing it can't simulate well is wind effects during taxi and felt inputs from control surfaces
The last minutes were amazing!! :D Thanks guys!
Real flying is what it’s all about
Really nice setup. Thanks for the great productions. 👍
What flight simulator is that (e.g. MSFS or X-Plane)? Sorry if it was mentioned and I missed it!
Great looking gear - may I suggest a sturdier platform for it to sit on as that table looks a bit wobbly when you were moving the yoke around - had the same issue myself and makes a difference when you have a solid base
We will see. I'm plenty happy with the simplicity and small footprint of this desk.
Great video. I have a question ... where is the engine instrumentation?
Thanks for response
Panel looks great, I'm just getting back into flight simming after ten years, but I have a bit more disposable income than I used to.
Steve Toyne ...go VR with a good yoke, throttle and pedals and you won’t be disappointed! Much more immersive. :)
@@Iam_Dunn I'd love to try that...
It has become quite costly yes, you need better equipment, but then you will enjoy it even more than before.
Super addition for training!
You should teach to keep a hand on the throttle and the other on the wheel. Sim or real thing it's best to stick to good habits. Even on airliners, one hand on the power and the other on the wheel or control stick. Great training aid.
Awesome videos Chris, I just started watching your channel. I fly out of the Anchorage area, hope to see you around!
Tuesday 22 July, Hope you and your family are doing ok. Prayers going out for your safety.I am thinking about build a simulator. in the near future.
If you make this any more realistic you’re going to have to get seatbelts for your chair.
Airfoil Labs 172sp for x-plane is a very nice trainer for IFR. Does all IFR approaches on Pilotedge. Only has a GNS 430, but most trainers only have 430. If you can do 430 you can do 530. The autopilot in AFL is great compared to others. Realistic KAP 140 and also audio panel B/K something.
Very cool!!! That would be great on nasty days like today! So how much turn key? Less the TV and gaming computer? A list of links would be great!!!
The TV and gaming computer really aren't a bad part of it. The panel itself is pretty straight forward. John Albers from StayLevel can for sure help you out.
Now what I want to see is to combine the real panels with VR immersion. Where you can reach out and manipulate the real panels but feel and see in VR.
Now you need to take it to the next level and integrate pilots edge into your sim
That's the plan. But that's just a simple software installation.
Great video - from content and editing perspectives!
Will you be adding PilotEdge to get your instrument students used to working with the busier ATC comms?
Great setup !!! ... I think you deserve a bigger monitor ...
Aurelio Marsili I deserve a $250 TV.
so, so much popcorn for life
Greetings from Costa Rica what a quality team
Bet you're looking forward for flight simulator 2020 considering buying a York maybe a few other bits
Tv on the wall, have to move it a little bit down. For more realism...
You can't forget even for a moment that it's not real until you've gone the VR route. I can't believe I ever flew on a flat screen.
Chris is super awesome! I'm a long time fan and customer back when he was doing AOA for flight sim and PMDG. I see he's using X-plane in this video. Chris if you read this, what do you think of the A2A simulation products? In my opinion, they are some of the best GA aircraft for P3D. Even the Cessna 172 is amazing. Amazing setup, I just bought a 3rd party semi pro avionics system (project magenta) because I have a B777 fetish. ;) I see you have a real cessna yoke. Do you know what kind of sensors it uses? I have redbird gear and it's better than the plastic stuff but eehhh, it can be flaky.
jtmuzix I switched to XPlane because it’s nice right out of the box. Got really tired of setting up hundreds of GBs of downloads and whatnot. So this is working great. The yoke I have is from Logitech and done in partnership with Cessna.
Definitely a great immersion style of training perhaps 1 on 1 with instructor in a room at FBO etc, but If I might add.... If you are a youtuber this style of sim does not show flight deck instruments up close (other than different external camera views, PITA to edit) which seems to defeat the purpose of youtube training or video training. I feel the same about VR for youtubers as well. It is very hard and almost nauseating to watch VR flight sim training on youtube. Too much head movement. What is your take?
Personally, I am not sure how important "location" of instruments externally is, if you can see them on the screen, These things are mandatory, external GNS430/530 and 1 external nav com2, and external autopilot. Throttles Cessna 182 style. Good rudders, I use TPR thrustmaster (great). I love the trim wheel. How accurate is it with no feel in yoke? Brunner has force feed back yoke $1500. Twisting for frequencies is PITA with mouse or hotkey.
It is a matter of taste I guess. I youtube and you are real world instructor so definitely this is better for you. Good Luck!
Awesome video but I am kinda stuck inside (Quarantine, not sick) and probably going to get creative with some monitors and X-Plane 9 (its what I got) and do some flying.
Awesome job! I wonder how a simulator would works with the Samsung curved TVs? Would you get you a more realistic windshield effect by the curvature of the tv.
I bet it'd work great!
I have a 32 inch curved msi and it is amazing. Definitely recommend a curved monitor for any sim.
Hello Angle of Attack. I'm looking for that frame panel. On the StayLevelAvionix website I couldn't find your panel. Could you pls help?
Alaska flying looks beautiful and way different than Florida haha.
You could say that again!
I listened to your most recent AviatorCast entitled, "A Benchwarmer,s guide..." I wanted to see the resource links that you mentioned. Where can I find them and when do you broadcast live? Haven't been able to find. Absolutely love your podcasts!!
Thanks.
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Hey man. Great video. How do you connect your iPad to be like a monitor for the guages?? And do you think you can use a tablet for this.
It connects with that app real easy on the same network. You have to put a little program on the computer and you’re all set.
@@angleofattack What app (x-plane??) and also what program??
Thanx
RemoteFlight Cockpit HD
Where did you get the Throttle, Prop, Mixture panel?
Envy and Prodigious are the words that came to my mind... What a video, what a fantastic experience... Thanks Chris and thanks John..... This is like tasting a little bit of heaven
JUAN CARLOS SILVA VARGAS - thanks for the comments! Mantente Nivelado Hermano 🤙
Hey Chris this looks amazing! I was just wondering what do you do about engine instruments and RPMs?
And finally...And finally.... The redbird alloy simulator (style) (Google it for picture) of one monitor with flight deck visible (on monitor) with the addition of external RealsimGear 430 0r 530 , external 1 traditional Com2/nav2 and an external autopilot is what I am shooting for as a youtube IFR trainer. I already replaced redbird pedals for Thrustmaster TPR. This would be a youtubers dream simulator or a traveling demo trainer that goes to flight shows. Just a different style than an immersion trainer.
I have portable small footprint Corsair One i160 2080ti/i9 coming in mail. Gave me a nerdwoodie when I first saw it. I will comment here on it's performance. This is what comments are for, right? Get differing viewpoints and styles and choose the one that is right for you and increase subscribers and monetization for AOA. Thanks AOA.
I am a 200+ hour VFR private pilot, i am getting interested in building my own simulator just to practice on. a couple questions, 1, i see you use X flight software. it doesn't seem to support that many small aircraft. what other simulators would you recommend? which are compatible with a DIY setup? how did you incorporate foreflight? i use that myself but want to learn to get better without the added workload of actual flight (or time and money involved with actual flight) money is not a big problem for me. what would be an easy path to a decent panel to build a single engine setup with displays that can show steam or glass avionics?
You can also get vatsim to get some real certified atc.
How much does this whole set up cost?
Cool!
Great job, wonder if those components work with flight sim.
The sim looks cool as hell! I am a bit jealous! Think eventually I am going to need to get my hands on a setup like that.
One thought I have to share about what you said shooting the approach as you were landing: The guy who taught me to fly was a field artillery spotter in WWII, he flew the army's version of the J3, and the Cessna L4, he was one hell of a stick and rudder man and when he died I think he had something like 45,000 hours.
I will also note that he did not have as many landings as he did takeoffs, he put a few planes down the hard way over the years.
From that experience something he always beat into my head was always always always pretending you don't have a lot of runway, even if you do! We would go over to LVM and do touch and go's and at first I was shooting for the end of the runway, then trying to put her down on the number, and finally he had me shooting to set the main gear down on the cross bar of the 4.
His thinking about it was that if you get good at putting the plane down in exactly the spot of your choosing instead of just greasing it in down the runway, when the day comes that you are putting her down somewhere that you had not planned on you will be in control of the aircraft and thus more likely to make your mark and walk away, possibly even saving your aircraft.
Along with this when we were flying, he would constantly quiz me asking where I would put the plane down if we were engine out that second, if I couldn't give him an answer he would make me find several places.
That is my .02 on the subject! Happy flying, that sim is going to be a whole lot of fun!
P.S. and by the way, I cannot wait to see the new FS from Microsoft!
Good points! I like that.
Where did the bit to put in the ipads and instruments
Hi, I just subscribed to the channel. I am a non active Pilot from Dominican Republic and want to start refreshing my instrument rating.
The iPad Pro 12.9 is not available on Amazon. Could be a Samsung Table, Any specs?
Also RealSimGear GNS 530 is not available on Amazon, Any other that could do the job?
Love your videos
Hi there really like the way you have made the simulator set up....would it be possible to make one for ATR 72-600 ???
Oh StayLevelAvionix . Let me check them out...
Would you be willing to share what you have for controls and where you bought your stuff. I want to upgrade my entire set up but dont know where to start. Thanks
I have Microsoft flight simulator 2005. And only a joystick. Thinking about doing some upgrades
Wonderful gauge setting?
What is the program you use for the flight plan? The one on your left on the device (ipad?). And for the instrument panel, what program is it? Excuse my English.
Daedur Heru Arlond - iPad on the left is running ForeFlight and the iPad built into the custom SLAVX Panel is displaying the 6-pack instruments via RemoteFlight Cockpit HD...your English is great 👍
anywhere to plug in your headset to talk to atc?
VR is the only way. Add a 6DOF motion platform and butt kicker.
Why do you mount the main display that high? You will look up to land. That’s not good for immersion I think
What good is any display space behind the panel?
In real life you would look up like that huh?! Makes sense to keep it right where it is.
What are the Height and Width of the yoke hole ?
Beautiful set up great job!
Phenomenal.
Should have gone with the double G-1000 frame - Otherwise - That ish is Super Dope
Brother I think it's time to go up a size with the button ups you'd probably be much more comfortable...
What about the smaller gauges like vac pressure, amps, fuel, EGT?
Been trying to think of a way to do it. Any ideas?
@@angleofattack What about software like Air Manager?
I have very similar setup,but since I started using VR ,all I need is good yoke,trim wheel and rudder pedals...
What do you use as a set up. I want to upgrade to a whole new set up but dont know where to start or look. Controls, software, computer?
Well- to run basic VR like Ocolus Rift or HTC Vive, you need at least NVidia GTX 1070 or better, I7 or better and 16GB RAM .In my opinion,these are minimum PC specs to run VR properly.If you want to use better and more expensive VR ,than PC specs has to go higher.RTX 2080 as minimum.
As an example...I have 1 year old gaming laptop HP Omen 17 with GTX 1070 and I can not run basic Ocolus Rift to the full resolution in Xplane11,but still it is hard to go back to 27" monitor even with TrackIR.
I am using saitek yoke,trim wheel,throttle and rudder pedals.
All that is connected to laptop via two Anker 3.0 USB hubs.
Also -USB 3.0 hubs have to be powered externaly due to high power demand from VR head set ,yoke and other controls....
@@kristijank2780 Thanks. If you were a youtuber doing videos for flight instruction wouldn't VR be too nauseating with too much head movement for viewers?
Add TrackIR so the view will follow your head movement, and PilotEdge for communication with ATC live.
Track IR makes me turn my head and look at monitor out corner of eye, mainly because I am a pirate with patch over one eye. Never did like it much. Screen wobbles with my head too much. Be sure to try it before you buy it. Great product, just didn't work for me and youtube training videos. In one monitor station (mostly mandatory for youtube) I prefer quick look views via hotkeys in X-plane. Same with VR. Some people get sick with VR if FPS too low. I would definitely try VR at trade show first.
so looking forward to the New MS flightsim whoop whoop
Bald Gamer ...Yeahhh, and dammit after 5yrs I FINALLY bought a system that could get over 30fps.. LOL Back to 15fps or 20 if I’m lucky... :)
Question is, will it be marketed as a game or for RW simmers and real approaches etc like X-plane (realistic flight model and aerodynamics) and p3d? Some of the scenery looks very nice, at least in Trailer hype....
Most important question. How much?
What would be the total cost of all the avionics put together on the panel. ?
This is all in the ballpark of $3500 for EVERYTHING.
Way cool I am thinking about setting up a home simulator
I have been looking for something like this but for helicopters. Do you know of any sim panels like this for the R44?
Not that I know of.
if you use auto pilot on a long flight do you gain altitude because it keeps you level or does it constantly push forward on the stick to compensate for the curvature?
It keeps your altitude if you select alt mode. If selected vs mode, you will be able to control the aircrafts pitch with up and down buttons.
👍👍Can you please demonstrate Seldovia 34 Approach in Sim