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The Forrunners canonically tilted the axis of the galaxy just to see if they could. Think about that for a second; our galaxy is 100,000 light-years across and contains at least 100 billion stars, and they moved that basically on a dare.
For *science!*
For the lols
Theirs a theory that the Milky Way galaxy was a lot bigger in the Halo universe before the war with the flood happened. That it shrank in size significantly when the Forunners started blowing up stars to slow the flood down.
For the meme
@@bigmoe9856 stars are not the bulk of the mass a galaxy has, and to it being smaller. What's the point? Other factions can't do that .
40k Neckbeards: "40k can clap the cheeks of ANY SCI-FI UNIVERSE!"
Halo Stans: "Hold our Dyson Spheres..."
I feel id have to give it to 40k because what happens when the guy with access to the dyson sphere is replaced by alpharius? Or the crew of a ship start eating each other after flying by "this strange rip in the center of the galaxy". Or all their AI rebels because it was infected by heretic machine code. The whole 40k universe is a corrupting force.
@@nullakjg767 The Forerunners outscale even the Imperium. Beyond their tech advantage, they have more ships, more people, and more planets. If those threats haven't done in the Imperium, there's no reason to think they would defeat the Forerunners.
@@scyfrix they would be slap by necrons . They still have the celestial orrey though.
@@noctislucis9521 YES, THANK YOU! You and I are the only people I've seen to realise this lmao
@@noctislucis9521 The only issue with this, is that the Necrons never use it, since it literally destabilizes spacetime. It''s a last resort, just like the halo array.
One thing people keep forgetting is, Forerunner Prometheans stand at 10-12ft tall. The Forerunner basic infantry would tower over the Space Marines.
The Warrior Servant's teenage children are the size of either a Spartan 2 or a Space Marine.
The Warrior Servant's don't seem to have a problem bending them over their armored knee lol.
Actualy terminators are 11 foot and primaris can grow up to 10 foot so not by much but yea thats in the orimarch range of height
@@demonic_myst4503 Sourcs for the 11 foot Terminator ? Because all of my sources put them at 8 to 9 feet tall.
@@John2r1 dont remember was researching it before the new terminator models when talking about true scale but your numbers would make the new terminator kodesl wrong as primaris are stated to be between 8-10 foot and the new terminator models are taller than primaris the avwrage first born space marine is 7-8 In most novels with a pre primaris dante being shown ti be 7 foot while their is taller like the leader of the soace sharks who is a beast
@@John2r1 now all i find is damn articles about 10th edition models not lore sizes while trying find it
I love the part in the Forerunner books where they shoot a tactical pulse from a Halo at the Flood, only to realise in the crossfire they accidentally wiped out all life in a local micro galaxy outside of the Milkyway.
"Oopsie woopsie, we made a big fucky purgy wurgy! Should we reseed the local life here?"
"I don't think we have their genetic templates in the domain..."
"Let's just leave, no one in the future will ever know we ever did a thing here, we'll all be dead as well in the long run."
"Yeah, lets."
"oops we wiped out a galaxy"
Not really oopsie woopsie cause that was the only way.. to starve the flood
It wasn’t an accident bro it’s the last resort 💀
a minor mistake
And the fact that the Flood took these guys down should really tell just how ridiculously dangerous they are if they begin to snowball.
Well, the real problem with the Flood is that they steal memories so no matter how technologically advanced you are, or how smart you are all they'd have to do is eat a few of your scientists and now they have that + whatever bioweapon nonsense they cooked up for you
Pretty much if you do t see it coming or they bum rush specific people your screwed….makes the Tyranids looks puny by example
the Flood's power is proportional to their enemies, as the Flood outright steal the strenghts of their enemies.
Oh yeah, flood was actually able to convince the forerunner's ancilla to commit sudoku and take the forerunners with them. That's why most forerunner constructs are non-sentient. In addition, you know how there used to be 12 halos? Yeah, the flood actually controlled 5 of these halos and teleported directly to the capital city to use them on the forerunners.
@@zahylon5993 Yes and no. The Flood will improve the technology of the races they consume and after consuming enough worlds they will start creating self-sustaining biomass gain, basically infinite food glitch. And through the consumption of biomass they gain slowly the memories of the Precursors, which if you know your lore you'll know how fucked that situation is.
When you realize that ancient Humanity was just one level below the forerunners and can match them in the field of combat
I'd even argue that ancient Humanity trumped the Forrunners in combat, remember that they were fighting both them and the Flood for a thousand years before finally losing.
@@ssfbob456 And they were primarily focused on the Flood...
Ancient Humanity lost because they were also fighting, and beating, the Flood at the same time. Basically the entire Human empire was digitized into cold storage as they fled the Flood and tried to figure out a solution. That retreat ended up with them invading Forerunner protected space although they took immense care to basically store every single person they wiped out so it could all be put back. The found a solution and started pushing back. The Forerunners attacked Humanity just before they stabilised.
@@kabob0077maybe if given enough time they could have potentially reached a tier above forerunners even
In field of combat & military, the ancient humans were above the forerunners but were worse in logistics & numbers
he missed the final part about the weapons of the gods after the credits. saying the Halo 1 magnum can one shot anything in the 40k galaxy and I agree.
That is massive amount of wanking and the reason nobody takes halo fanboys seriously
Facts
Well it is a 50. Cal semi armor piercing explosive round so yeah it'll fuck even a space marine up.
@@S_O_U_P Considering the MA5B has the power of a modern .50 per shot, I don't doubt that.
@@starhammer5247 the ma5b assault rifle fires 7.62
Fun fact: the siphoning energy from anothet universe or a pocket universe is known as zero point energy and is a big milestone if a race can do that without the downside of exotic particles.
Didn't Stargate have something like that?
@@AlexLJ55 yes, the ZPMs Zero point module made by the ancients
@@Haimgard The ZPMs were basically the most you could achieve. Effectively "energy down to zero". Mackay tried to revive a "below zero" project the Ancients abandoned. It ended up with the planet exploding IIRC.
@@GMorgan84 destroyed half of a solar system
Also called Vacuum Energy. And yes it is.
Cant imagine how strong the old humans in Halo lore would have been before the Forerunners devolved them and attained the mantle, they were the true holders of the Mantle and were on par againt the foreunners but the flood started infecting them and lost most of their power. Fighting the floods and foreunners at SAME TIME.
I'm pretty sure they were just as advanced as the forerunners but didn't have nearly the same numbers
@@degeneratesupreme860 and the forerunners inherited their technology from the precursors! Ancient humanity build everything they had from scratch! Before the flood outbreak, the milky way galaxy was divided in three superpowers (ancient humanity, forerunners and 'The ancient' San shayuum).
@@degeneratesupreme860 Ancient humanity gave the forerunner empire a hell of a run for their money at the height of their power, and based off what we've been told through the books and games, I'm 100% convinced that if humanity were able to devote their entire efforts to fighting the forerunners, we absolutely would of usurped them. The thing is though, humanity was fighting a war on two fronts, and we devoted more of our attention to the flood, fighting with one hand behind our back and the other hand wielding a sock-em bopper. We did so well against the flood in fact that it was almost entirely wiped out by us before the forerunners cornered us in our home system. The only reason the flood took over the galaxy at all is because of forerunner arrogance, thinking the flood was a nuisance at best, or mere rumors at worst; it's telling how in the last couple decades/centuries of the forerunner empire, normal citizens didn't even know the flood EXISTED, when they had been fighting it for so long, and the pride of the forerunners prevented true unity against such a threat, proving themselves unworthy of the mantle.
@@chadyoung9934 Ancient Humanity truly were the most worthy of the Mantle, they were willing to do what it took to safe guard the whole galaxy even at the cost of themselves.
The Forerunners meanwhile ignored the problem until it came kicking their front door down and started killing them.
@@chadyoung9934 The Flood wasn't defeated by Ancient Humanity, it was a long term ruse by the Flood itself to trick the Forerunners while simultaneously testing humanity
Fun fact: to answer what you said at 11:52; The Foreunners were perfectly capable of BUILDING stars. Halo 4 dialogue.
And yeah, that star for the ark, it was indeed built.
I would actually love to read a fanfiction where the forerunners have to pacify the 40k universe brick by brick, system by system. I am very fond of broad-scope political dramas tinged with action.
Tau, Eldar, Votann and every minor Xeno woulds see a saviour figure in the Forerunners, as they would acknowledge the Forerunners can put an end to both Tyrannids and Chaos.
Necrons will be angery that a new boi has more tech than them, then proceed to worship the Forerunners once they realize it's not a big deal for the Forerunners to give new flesh cancer-free bodies to the Necrons. Since it's running the Promethean process in reverse. And so they will help the Forerunners to close all Chaos gates in the galaxy for massive dunkin on Chaos.
Chaos, Tyrannids and Orks will be wiped out in a curb stomp battle...or the Forerunners are going to mess with the Ork's genes and make them pacifists.
This would be an amazing story concept if it was properly handled, but my God would it require a bunch of research to try and get certain details right.
@@palladin1337 I imagine it starts in the far corner of Imperium Nihilus and they slowly spread across the entire half, even managing to make a tense peace with Dante (who partially knows he desperately needs the help and partially doesn't want to fucking be there). After fortifying that half, it's just a massive campaign of war and political maneuvering with the xenos races and imperial factions as the Forerunners slowly push chaos across the galaxy and back to the Eye of Terror.
Then some third act bullshit happens like C'Tan merge with a gravemind, or the Void Dragon wakes up, or some shit. I dunno, I'm not a fanfiction writer.
@@Doctor_Sirus fortunately I AM
@@registeredwarcriminal980 Send me a message sometime once the fic gets off the ground.
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The Astartes have thousands of years in combat experience, yes. But Forerunners also have a lot of combat experience. In fact, they have hundreds of thousands or maybe even millions of years in combat experience. Take into account that Forerunners are not only practically immortal against aging but they can also put their memories and consciousness into their children to basically live on in a new body, with everything they knew before still accesible to them.
Also shooting them with projectile weapons, even bolters, would at best give them a good laugh.
Are people forgetting that the Chaos Gods exist, and the sorcerers of their cults can open rifts anywhere thus unleashing the demons of the Chaos Gods upon the Forerunners! Even if the Forerunners fight all of that back they aren't KILLING the demons they're just returning back to the realm they were called forth from meaning those same demons will return stronger, unless the Forerunners manage to kill the Chaos Gods which would require them going into the Eye of Terror itself in order to do it, the Forerunners would be overwhelmed by the demonic hordes of Khorne, Tzeench, Slannesh and Nurgle.
Ur right a grey can kill ‘em ez
@@alexisgonzalez5927nah. Warrior servants is primark lvl or stronger without magic yada yada
@@generizze6243 they’re not but ok
Something to note: That Forerunner vessel we see the fleet lighting up like a xmas tree? Thats not a warship. The Covenant called it a Dreadnought. Its a Keyship, used by Lifeworkers to transport biological samples to prevent the Halo firings from ceasing galactic life full stop. Its a science vessel.
The prophets used that ship in their war against the elites prior to the formation of the Covenant. The elites had no defense against it. A science vessel.
Not even a badass science vessel, it was intended to run away if any fighting occurred.
Oh, and for anyone else reading - High Charity got all its power from that thing. The entire space-borne capital of the Covenant hegemony is built around a chunk of a planet that was literally pulled along when someone started the engine on that thing, but forgot the brake.@@Alex-mn5rs
@@seventhcyborg The engines weren’t even running at a fraction of its full power to sustain High Charity.
@@seventhcyborgDID YOU KNOW? it has functional weaponru
The forerunners are so broken to hell man. Gotta love ‘em. And funny enough they aren’t even the most advanced race we know of in Halo. Also, yeah, saying they’d just fire the Halo rings and be done with it is kind of a cop out because we know they aim to preserve life, not take it at massive scales. The only reason they did use the halos in the first place is because the flood were that much of an existential threat to the diversity of life in the universe. Even still, the halo rings were not the first thing they tried. Thousands of other plans were tried and failed.
To be honest they might just consider the Tyrranids as such a treat
@@HarrowKrodarius probably not, since nothing could properly contain and defeat the flood, while in the 40k universe the tyranids have been fought to standstills and defeated before.
@@luisalmanza119 Flood might start out weaker but their snowballing effect is off to chart. Not even Tyranids can come close to that once they started snowballing.
The ring don’t work on necrons boi also let’s even it out modern forunners vs... o yea they are dead
@@luisalmanza119 yes but that is a scouting fleet.... one of them
Also daemons can corrupt ai like le logic plague
if memory serves the humans only lost that bad cause their forerunner war was in parallel to the humans losing war againstt the flood.
Funnily enough the forerunner he was discussing from the trilogy of book for the forerunner were actually the forerunners in decline they were even more powerful 10,000,000 yrs prior to all those events and more advanced.
Addendum; it's also worth noting that the Forerunners' combat skins (suits) were also able to adjust its defenses and strength modifications on a fly in the middle of battle depending on the threat level of its opponent, an example of this was given when the didact was fighting against many other things on a battlefield. It is also worth noting the Didact also augmented himself with the Flood gene, which while did mutate his original appearance a little he was then able to perceive multiple perspectives through the near or distant future and how to combat it as well as those percieved views being in slowed time for him in the midst of a battle. Basically giving him a form of future sight based on the endless possibilities of free will to be ready for any move you'd make.
...Like 90% of what you wrote is either nonsense or just complete bullshit.
The Forerunners could change the galactic tilt so yeah, op as fuck
They also had personal slipspace units.
The domain also has info going back 100 billion years
To be fair, the info in the Domain is not obtainable for them. The very Domain doesn't let them access the info stored by the Precursos before the Forerunners started using it after their demise.
I'm sorry, EACH AND EVERY SOLDIER HAD A GODDAMN SLIPSPACE UNIT?!
Yeah they did as a portable device @@fanatic9926
Fun fact the UNSC have Forerunner small arms and tech but not to the scale of the Forerunners. Which is essentially like modern Imperium finding DAoT weapons and tech.
The lion and his legion can take all of the unsc
@@alexisgonzalez5927 Sure just like they could have taken the Squats on without using Terminator Armor. Oh wait Terminator Armor was developed because the Squats kicked their ass.
A little quote from Sun Tzu's the Art of War kind of sums the UNSC up ..
"Throw your soldiers into positions whence there is no escape, and they will prefer death to flight. If they will face death, there is nothing they may not achieve. Officers and men alike will put forth their uttermost strength. Soldiers in desperate straits lose the sense of fear. If there is no place of refuge, they will stand firm. If they are in the heart of a hostile country, they will show a stubborn front. If there is no help for it, they will fight hard. Thus, without waiting to be marshaled, the soldiers will be constantly on the alert, and without waiting to be asked, they will do your will; without restrictions, they will be faithful; without giving orders, they can be trusted.
Prohibit the taking of omens, and do away with superstitious doubts.
Then, until death itself comes, no calamity need be feared."
As far as the UNSC is concerned we're the Lion might see an easy target. They see their home and are willing to die to the last man , woman and child capable of holding a gun.
Cupple that with the fact that they are the only ones in the entire universe alive that can use all Forerunner technology which is like comparing modern technology to a caveman learning how to make fire. With the Imperium being the caveman.
Oh and the Lion doesn't have a Legion he has a Chapter. Because his brother reorganized the Legions into smaller chapters.
If you want to give him his Legions then I get to give the UNSC their ancestral technology, Terratory and numbers . Note this would be either Ancient Haman Empire or Forerunner Empire level UNSC. Either of which could easily bitch slap the Lions Astartes Legion.
Just saying you don't want to go down that road.
My original quite wasn't even intended to start this type of debate.
It was simply stating the fact that the current UNSC has Forerunner weapons and technology available. And I compared it to the Imperium finding dark age of technology weapons and tech. I probably should have specified this. But that DAoT weapon and tech being found in perfect condition.
That's the equivalent of what the UNSC has found in recent lore.
Do they have the numbers to fight the Imperium ? No but they do have the weapons and tech to wipe out a Legion of Astartes . It's simply a matter of getting the weapons and tech issued to troops other than just Spartans.
a single small ship, a single, Corvette... for the forerunners has the firepower to oneshot a planet. A forerunner battleship has the armor, the shields to ignore fleets of ships firepower... can bounce off a black hole... and has the firepower to oneshot stars. not planets, stars.
and they had millions of battleships. in truth they had enough battleships to put 1 in orbit around every star in the galaxy, then... lights out... to an entire galaxy.
Ah, the xelee... the race that makes their ships put of the very fabrics of reality, that was a good toddler sized book. I recommend it or reacting to a video about the xelee
Wasn't there a DAoT human ship who appeared out of fucking nowhere, got its entire crew murdered, promptly digitally raped every single Imperium ship around it, told Cawl and the Mechanicus the binary equivalent of FUCK OFF, ate *a literal fucking star* and then just fucked off?
Oh, and it was a _SCIENCE VESSEL._
Yeah, humans at the peak of the first empire were so broken as to make everything else in 40ks utterly absurd setting look tame by comparison.
Its why so little of it (and its downfall) are elaborated on. The imperium of man is a joke compared to the first human empire, literally all the "super weapons" of the imperium are leftover scrap ideas from that era.
that shows how ridiculously op DAoT humanity was. and it was hilarious to hear about.
And forerunner had those on mass. 😅 not sure about eating the star part though.
@@berilsevvalbekret772 Forerunner ships were so stupidly op that their POINT DEFENSE can blow up planets. Not even the actual dedicated weapons, the fucking point defense.
One thing about the Composer (the thing that turns people into Prometheans) is if you're evolved enough, you have a good chance of becoming resistant to it, and Chief only became resistant after the Librarian altered him. Basically the only humans in 40k who could resist it would be the Emperor, Primarchs, likely Custodes, maybe Primaris and possibly other kinds of space marines.
Not sure about that one. Not a 40k fan but those things are not human. The bio tech needed for them to function (basically not die due to how different they are) multiplied by HOW they acquire it. If evolution could grant immunity I think your basic space marine would be immune.
I don’t think evolving through marine transformation would be evolved enough to avoid being ash then again I only think Emp or Primarch’s have a higher chance then anyone else
Also the composer is only effective against humans it was originally meant to be used on the Promethean (the rank) to become the units we see in later halos. It was just also used on humans. And the librarian specifically altered the master chief to be immune.
Forerunner military personell usually have thousands of years of experience. Nvm the Didact that has over 12 000 years of military experience leading the entire Forerunner military.
To be honest I would really like to see how the yuuzhan vong would fair in 40k
Well nurgle and the nids would have a field day since their ships are of biological material but everybody else is anyones game.
@@edgard5340 yeah I agree with nurgle but everyone else it would be interesting to how they deal with each other
Yuuzhan vong have powerful gravity manipulation technology that can mince small black holes and they can alter the biosphere of whole planets to kill you
Yuuzhan vong would get stomped by any single major faction in the 50k universe, they invaded the star wars universe when it was ruled mainly by the new Republic with small pockets of imperial remnants and other small factions yes they made a lot of progress initially but that was just because the NR didn't pay any attention worth a damn to them once they did and joined the Jedi the tides of the war turned very quickly with the help of them using center point station to destroy their main fleet
No lets go one further the Forerunners have no Psykers, the Rangdan would fucking delete them. Or force them to use the rings but putting yourself in a metal shell with no soul isnt a win condition *stares at the necrons*
4:50 oooohh the Xeelee, when it comes to powerscaling them I would like to quote max0r:"oh boy, buckle your ass"
The basic construction material for their technology is spacetime folded into the right geometric form. Which is why their main construction hub in our galaxy is the supermassive black hole at its center.
What video is the max0r quote from
@@Drunkcaterpillar867 Doom Eternal review at 4:41
Near as I can tell the Forerunners are basically the Old Ones combined with the Necrons without the disadvantages of either.
Just to point out the obvious the knowledge the emperor got from the chaos gods in his broken deal would probably look somewhat infantile to the forerunners. Alternatively he would probably have gone to the forerunners for the knowledge rather than chaos gods. Had to look it up but chiefs armor is class 2 combat skin. The forerunners had skins up to class 18. By comparison and keep in mind this is a guess but I would imagine astartes armor would be a class 3 or 4 maybe. And custodes a 4 or 5.
Installation 03 was being converted to fire the composer in a tactical pulse by the didact
Didact alone would just harvest entire Imperium planets to create armies of Prometheans. Without the Genosong from the Forerunners the Imperium - Space Marines included - have no defense against the Composer.
For those saying the Necrons Orrery take on forerunners… it only blows up stars… which would be effective on species relying on planets (building fleets, farming, living), which are usually orbiting stars but forerunners can build mobile planet-like constructs far from stars (the space between stars is HUGE btw) and thus limit the Orrery to an awesome map.
How to kill a God in the Warhammer universe blow up his spaceship and hope he's on it
They built the damn star.
RUclips notifications dropping the fucking ball, yet again. Glad to see you react to this! You should see more of Pancreasnowork's...work. I'll just be in the corner...
the current 40k setting is so fractured and fucked that the unified, advanced forerunners would destroy everyone. forerunners v prime old ones or prime c'tan powered necrons is an interesting matchup imo
4:53 yeah thats xeelee for you are except that thing is standart issue for a xenophobic galaxy spanning human empire that puts the imperium to shame in terms of malice and hatred for the alien and the mutant and are so fanatical to their doctrine that they made the imperial cult look like modern day christianity oh and they also have time travel because everyone has time travel in xeelee sequence and they are pretty much like top 5 most powerful faction in that universe
A brief life burns brightly.
@@DeHerg dont remember heros
Do not remember heroes. Do not speak their names. Remember my words, but do not speak my name. I have a vision of a Galaxy overrun by mankind from Core to rim. Of four hundred billion stars each enslaved to the rhythms of Earth’s day, Earth’s year. I have a vision of a trillion planets pulsing to the beat of a human heart. And I have a vision of a child. Who will grow up knowing neither family nor comfort. Who will not be distracted by the illusion of a long life. Who will know nothing but honor and duty. Who will die joyously for the sake of mankind. That is a hero. And I will never know her name. Always remember: a brief life burns brightly.
-Hama Druz, circa 5408
The Forerunners also can use Neurophysiology
Saying the Forerunners can use neurophysics is like saying the UNSC can use the Halo Array... Technically true, but not because they understand it, the only thing the Forerunners have made that affects neurophysics that we know of is funnily enough, the Halo Array itself. Most of the things that use that stuff were made by the Precursors, and the entire reason that the Halo Array was made to able to Affect such things in the first place is because the Flood were using it against them.
Edit for clarification: The Halo Array affecting neurophsiology is actually a happy accident, discovered by the Master Builder when he was testing it on Ancient Humanities capitol world, which was FILLED with Precursor artifacts, and was not an intentional thing
When that Dexcom alarm went off right after mine I was spooked
More lore accurately, most standard forerunner tech is hardlight. Its in just about every non-promethean (Anti-flood) design from weapons to shield to bridges. Add to that, they are proficient with Antimatter and Vacuum energy reactors depending on the size involved. Antimatter for personal arms and small ships, vacuum for the dreadnaughts and Fortress class.
Nothing that isn't dark age humanity and golden age eldari can match that technology standard.
Also its long been speculated that the Ancient Humans had better weapons (and far less territory) than the Forerunners during their war and that the reality changing stuff was copied from them.
The Culture from the Culture series would destroy both easy.
Tf is The Culture
@@honorableknight7714 It the titular civilization from a sci fi series called The Culture series, and the tech level makes most sci fi series look baby tier in comparison, such as most most of their weapons being far above planet level, and having ranges in light years, not to mention tactical ftl they can use in combat. If I keep going I’ll end up rambling, but they’re probably the civilization that gets closest reality warping, without actually doing that. Also all of their ships have ai at minimum as advanced as Forerunner’s most advanced, but probably more so. Also all the books after the first one in the series are really good, and they can be read out of order, so it doesn’t matter that much.
@@miyuedelfelt2676 Just one question are they able to resist all 12 halo rings firing at once. And do keep in mind the forerunners one time built one in just a matter of months so if 12 doesn't do the trick they can make a hell of a lot more
If they survive themselves that is
@@honorableknight7714 Their FTL works by moving to other universes with faster speed limits, so they could just hide all at once assuming, the rings could get through their force fields, or they could reload all the organic citizens from back ups. All the ships are AI controlled, and a decent number of their citizens are drones (not in the sense of being robots for manual labor or anything, just that they’re ai citizens rather then organic.) so even if the rings killed all the organics, it wouldn’t affect them much, since most of them would be brought back.
Interesting thing about the Forerunners, their Point-Defense Guns were capable of destroying the Halo Rings. For reference Point-Defense guns are guns used to shoot missiles out of the air, and are generally very weak, only being used to knock missiles out of the air and shoot down enemy fighters and bombers. Meaning that their main guns are likely hundreds of times stronger than that.
The Covenant were capable of using Plasma weapons to Glass Reach (turn all of the top layer of dirt and sand into a crystalline substance) in a matter of days (It was hours in the books, however the games are the primary source material). And while yes, it was hundreds of ships the Forerunners possessed far greater firepower than those of the Covenant.
They had individual small ships that could cloak and chuck asteroids (Harrier-Class) that were more the size of a Phaeton and could be deployed in the thousands by Fortress Class Ships. They also had War Sphinx's that had enough firepower to level a Forerunner city individually (Which would be made out of incredibly durable alloys and Hardlight) and were deployed in the thousands by Fortress class ships and oftentimes would appear as clouds due to the sheer number of them. War Sphinx's could also transform into walkers and fight on the ground like Vikings from StarCraft. Speaking of their Fortress Class Vessels could be on average 50 to 100 kilometers long and wielded Heavy Ion weapons that shot exotic matter at a significant fraction of the speed of light, were considered impossible to dodge or stop, and could with a single shot buckle a continental plate, multiple shots could render a world uninhabitable. Many could even Combine their fire (As seen in Halo Legends), which in Ghosts of Onyx is shown to be more than just addition, as the power multiplies when they combine fire.
They had fleets of Millions of Capital ships commanded by individual AI and could make coordinated attacks and maneuvers that were impossible for any living beings
Their Combat Skins went from a Class 1, all the way to a Class 18. Guilty Spark called Master Chief's armor a Class 2, considering it's protection abysmal for what was needed and he only complemented Chief's right mindedness to have it sealed so he would be protected against Flood Spores and infection. Chief's weapons were mocked for how bad they were, as stated by PNW, In Halo 3 when Guilty Spark met Master Chief again, he considered The Mark VI Mjolnir (Previously Mark V) still a Class 2, he didn't even notice the difference despite the numerous upgrades to it. Combat Skins and Forerunner Armor (Suits not used for combat) negated the need for sleep, allowing Forerunners to access the Domain, could transfer massive amounts of information through touching each other (And have private conversations), suppress and purge memories to negate mental and emotional trauma, could amplify senses to an insane degree and even substitute senses (A blind Forerunner could still "See" thanks to her suit), granted Forerunners immunity to most diseases, can keep the user alive for years without outside influence (Meaning they can survive without Food or Water for years), allow them to hover around, they have artificial intelligence suppressers that can lock up armor, disable AI, steal information from said AI, crush the person with their own armor, and hijack it so they control them remotely to turn on their allies. Forerunner Civilians were required to wear a Class 8 Combat skin during the Forerunner-Flood War, and Military Personnel were required to wear a minimum of Class 12, meaning even random shmucks had armor considered 6 tiers higher than Mjolnir (Considering there was no difference in Classification Between Mark V and VI, the armor strength isn't multiplicative, Class 12 Wouldn't just be 6x stronger, it would be waaay more).
They also had things called armor crackers that were human fist sized flea-like things that were made to destroy Forerunner armor (Custodes Beware).
Also regarding their Dark Energy, their Dark Energy batteries basically create a mini universe through sparking a big bang, absorbing the ambient energy from the big bang, universe collapses, big bang again. Rinse repeat, causing them to have infinite energy as it is a perpetual process. It's call Dark Energy because it's creating and destroying entire universes, and species are likely formed and annihilated infinitely.
jesus the forerunners are op
I knew they were strong but damn. I didn’t realize how fucking strong they really are!
And to think that the precursors are stronger
I watched the video ur reacting on and (as a necron lore lover) all I could think was 'You forgot about the Celestial Orrery...'
its really just a giant space map that allow you to create supernova from destroying stars.
The foreruner did the same thing but by accident by simply passing near them with their ship. Hope that help
@@spookynigga3112 I feel like you might hve oversimplified it. My understanding is that it's an exact replica of the galaxy that updates in real time but EVERYTHING in it can be interacted with. So theoretically the Forerunner fleet would show up on the map, you would be able to see it, and sweep your hand through it or crush it, destroying the entire thing, all from across the galaxy. This is imo the most overpowered thing in the entire sci-fi setting as it counters pretty much anything bar a galaxy-destroyer that doesn't have to be within the galaxy it's destroying.
@@darksunrise6862 just saying this but that thing is not even a " top tier " weapon. I mean destiny even outclass this.
While yes its a perfect copy of the galaxy in lore the best we keep seing or hearing is it being able to mess around with stars creating supernova and not the rest of the material plane. So once again its only affect stars.
The forunner ships are alredy able to do the same thing but on a passive level meaning that those star going supernova aint doing nothing to them.
We can keep on talking about it if you want i love talking about this :D
@@spookynigga3112Yeah i'm finding this quite interesting :) I just did a bit of research with the recent book about Trazyn the Infinite we get a little bit more info about the Orrery. It details the fact that Trazyn is able to locate the world Cadia before it is split apart and learn of the necron pylons on it's surface. Through the same book it also foretold the opening of the Great Rift so somehow it's able to predict major galactic events, and bodies smaller than stars can be seen, but I don't know how much detail there would be with them :/. I'm not denying that the Forerunners are more scientifically advanced, i'm going to have to admit that lol, but I think the Orrery would potentially be the one thing that could stop them in the 40k universe (as long as ownership is taken by another Dynasty)
@@darksunrise6862 oh that is true 100% this tool would be a amazing advantage. I'm even a bit on the edge to even say that it might have precog for the fact that it can see on such a scale.
But i make sense for a strategist table to be that op.
Let's also not forget the Guardians which can fully shut down all tech and destroy planets
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LOL the Dark Age of humanity technology was basically the UNSC Natural Evolution of their technology nowhere close to ancient Humanity the Halo Universe
The Forerunners would have issue with Chaos and Emps but even Emps would say
"bro ok we get it you're badass"
Emps would probably honestly team up with the Forerunners simply because TECH. Remember emps HATED religion, And was a technophile. He would Gladly ally with the Forerunners to create a literal golden age.
They likely wouldnt.
As they are masters of the physical universe (like the C'tan), they could probably disconnect the warp from the physical universe.
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Maybe just shove a Halo array into the chaos dimension and call it a millenia.
@@JoseRodriguez-eu5ez "im here to kill chaos!"
-the forerunners collective
@@zaarkeru3391 If they were true masters, they wouldn't have fallen to the Flood. Creating pocket dimensions is one thing, as I've already read in the comments the Forerunners could do it, severing or disconnecting a universe-wide connection is another thing entirely.
LOL the emperor there's some kind of miracle or revolved himself into an ancient human so the Perfection of the human race is looking for already existed and got wiped out by the forerunners
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I found out something funny after a bit of research. 1 the Halo Array destroys anything with a nervous system, so all life in the Galaxy would be destroyed as long as it contains a nervous system. (yes chaos would starve and die.) Second The Orcs are Fungi and the Halo Arrays target specifically the nervous system of lifeforms because if it just killed everything the flood would still be able to take over bodies. So it destroys the nervous system. Fungi have no nervous system. So... and the funny thing is ONLY and yes I mean ONLY the Orcs would survive a Full power Halo Array detonation.
They would get obliterated after by any other galaxy ending tech. The forerunners can literally banish other Things to another Universe.
Also, a SPARTAN II would obliterate a Space marine. But they have way less numbers. 1 Forerunner manhandled a SPARTAN II.
I wouldn't say Chaos would "die", exactly. It's more likely they'd just go dormant until life renewed itself and yeah. Plus I don't buy the horrible story that Chaos draws power from just the one galaxy in a universe full of galaxies, so I personally don't think wiping out life in one galaxy would starve them. but that's just my personal belief on the matter.
Keep in mind the Halo Array kills anything with neurological structures, which the Orks have, and the Halo Array also killed sentient plants in the Halo universe when it was fired, so the Orks would absolutely be killed by it.
Even if Chaos draws power from other galaxies, one galaxy being purged, and then re-populated entirely with Pariah from another universe would give them pause, because attacking it carries considerable threat to the forces of Chaos, and no potential reward because they can't draw any sort of energy from the Pariah.
@@lennardchurch8483 it might grab their attention but I don't think it'd give them pause because Chaos obviously doesn't think the same way as us. they could literally just wait it out and let time does what it inevitably does best: decay and destroy. the whole galaxy being populated entirely with Pariah is, believe it or not, as temporary as everything else.
@@dinok5697 Not really. Pariah destroy psychic energies with their mere proximity, so they're not going to lose that trait over generations. Psychic energy will thin to effective non-existence within realspace as populations grow and expand until attacking the Warp directly becomes a viable course of action.
Remember, even the Orks are in a forever war in the Warp, which goes on because every demon killed returns to the "god" that birthed it so it can be reborn anew. But in such a war against endless legions of Pariah, every loss Chaos suffers is an actual loss.
@@lennardchurch8483 You assume they'd bother spending the time and resources to do that in the first place and that they'd reach every single system before non-Pariah life could evolve.
I love the fore runner. Precursor. Ancient humanity, covenant and modern humanity arc as a whole…but brief contact, a hand fuk of years. We already stole and improved every tech the covenant had that was useful. And we could. Ok kore like a decade or so. And that was after being forcefully de evolved. And we could still use forerunner tech better, haha. Let ancient humanity loose in 40k and we own everything. Snuff out any bs faction that opposes, in a heartbeat. But more so face the Marines that fought off the Xul. Regular humans. With resolve and power armor, no bs genetics, or space magic. Just bad asses who fought a multi universe soanjing empire to a stand still and negotiates tonnage us alone, then continued the war after they broke the truce. And we’re still winning at my last visit against billions of years old AI, barely winning and took everything we had. But we were. And no the UNSC would just be wiped out as the empire would ally with human faction that wanted humans to survive, lol. And we instantly steal and reverse engineer all tech/improve it to become gods, unlike stupid 40k asshats. And next major offensive or defensive operation that rolled out UNSC would be like we are golden/dark age humans and necron all in one. Out infantry is equal to knights on a one to one basis. Now you all die, lol, total joke that 40k is.
Forerunners can build stars and they did.
I know its been a year or more by now and you probably won't see this, but theres been a new addition to this series.
A forerunner battleship dwarfs 40k battleships and will hit a fleet of 40k ships, ancient humans barely lost a multi front war against them. We didn’t have enough time with it all going down to win. But yeah forerunner no jokes at all.
Our current era is thousands of years before the Dark Age of Technology
yah it takes only a hand full of halo rings to wipe the galaxy clean of life, that being the case and with how slip space works, if they wanted to, all they'd have to do to wipe out terra is park the ring a couple light years away from terra, not orbiting a star, and fire it at the sol system at one of the lower power settings, Titan, Mars, Luna, and Terra are now gone, completely. Hell, with how the rings work it probably kills the void dragon too and big E is dead for sure.
Dude the forerunners have tech from hundreds of millions (or tens of millions can’t remember) it is not at all a fair fight.
What does Moon already appeared above terra It did not go well for the moon
Also ome thing neglected to be mentioned by the forerunners is this, the sentinels they made could alter the shape form or physics of a planet if they deployed them, they can create mass barriers that would either disable or destroy anything that gets near them and if they're to be destroyed though shown on a smaller scale the explpsion and damage they could cause from.being destroyed because they are powered by quantum mechanical vacuum based energy from the slipspace dimension or blackholes energy which would atomise anything near it that wasn't forerunner in nature.
They also could lock people's suits dismantle people's weapons and stop moving objects in the middle of their air for instance nuclear missiles as a example. They also could scan a individual or machine and learn their biology in an instant and / or learn how the machine wirks and begin repairing or improving based on their knowledge they have from the domain and because everything that is in our world currently, it's also recorded history in Halo including the mention of the Halo game within Halo itself leaning to a inception. Even some marines in books mentioning playing or wanting to play it
Honestly idk who would win if it was each side at their peak. The imperium had some stupidly powerful weapons along with the emperor but the forerunners also did some stupidly crazy things themselves like their bullshit with the galaxy's axis
just a nudge below the wih necron
I mean all it would really take to defeat WH40k is a powerful enough weaponized kilonova.
BUT the real question is how would the 40k universe be able to conquer the metroid universe?
Probably.
The lore of the Federation isn't developed enough to really say how big they are and while Samus could probably butcher an entire legion by herself and plot armor her way around Psyker powers, the Imperium is just too big.
That is until the X Parasites get out of control and eat the entire Imperium.
orks in the number of yes
... infinite Flood food. Or against Forerunners, a lot of Ork-occupied planets pushed into supernovae to cleanse them of the infection.
Average Forerunner warrior Servant wiping the floor with warboss body.
Check out halo 5 forerunner guns and the 2 phaetons and the Infinity
Flood.
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Is ok too check out star wars vs forununers and star wars vs the flood in halo I like to listen your option
The forerunners: we are the most overpowered universe in fiction
the Scp universe: that cute
yeah the scp universe curb stomps halo.
Yeah, but that's just boring. SCPs are fun when talking about things like self multiplying cake or an infinite IKEA, but when you go MAH UNIVERSE HAS AN ENTITY THAT CAN JUST ERASE YOUR UNIVERSE that's just boring. It's like when you're trying to test an AKM against an AR-15 and you bring the Tzar bomb. It's an obvious answer. There's no fun in arguing if you know the outcome.
@@professionalsimpdestroyer4135 true that, also most scps are written by 14 year old edge lords.
@@professionalsimpdestroyer4135 God you summed one of my main gripes with the SCP universe. The only thing I would add is the overabundance of incredibly long, horribly written, 8th grade philosophy class papers that a lot of SCPs tend to be now.
I don't give a fuck about the throngler and the philosophers blood throne.
I don't care about the adventure wanderlust and the corrupting time.
I don't fucking care about the blasphemous core and the decay of the flesh.
I remember when SCP were fun to read about.
@@hereticalheretic5569 100% correct.
Now an even better matchup would be forerunners vs the necrons
The Forerunners' level of technology is closer to that of the Old Ones. Everything the Necrons have is a subset of what the Forerunners can do.
@@lennardchurch8483 Not even close.
@@nobleman9393 You keep trolling, but I've interacted with you enough to know that you've been presented with the evidence proving what I said correct, and you don't have a legitimate counter argument, which is why you're responding with what amounts to a "Nuh-uh".
@@lennardchurch8483 You barely provide any proof and when I presented canonical sources you were like "Not that's not real, because I said so", so why are you so angry at?
@@nobleman9393 See my previous comment. You're a liar and a troll. Your problem is that you don't provide verifiable canonical sources, but say you did.
Idk it maybe a win for the civilians ... if they don't get turned back into monkey
The average warrior-servant-cast forerunner was 13 fuckin feet tall. That's enough to 1v1 most primarchs. The other castes were 6 ft but would never try to even fight if they could.
That's average however Ur Didact is 11.5 feet tall and there are some 10ft tall warrior-servants. And shorter ones as well of course they are born into their cast and thus teenage Warrior -Servant's are going to be smaller than adults of the cast.
The Average Warrior -Servant teenager was the size of a Spartan 2. In other words 7ft to 7ft 10in tall without armor. Or 7 to 8ft tall in armor. And that's a teenager of the Warrior Servant's cast.
I’ve never understood why people bother comparing ground soldiers. The Navy is going to be the determining factor.
@@Dragonfruits_ The Forerunner armada would fucking wipe the floor with the imperium..
LOL it would be like flowers micro solo campaign against the furry race so much damage and destruction of things
I have a question as I am neither a 40k expert nor Halo expert. wouldn't Chaos have a somewhat decent chance? I once watched this Forerunners vs 40k video recently and I swear he tried to make it sound like the Forerunners were immune to any form of temptation. plus can't Chaos corrupt AI, which I think the Forerunners used? As I said, I'm not an expert on either universe, so be nice to me people.
In 40k, the Warp energies influenced the creation of the biological races in realspace, leaving them with a biological connection to the Warp, which is why their emotions/actions feed psychic energy into the Warp. There are some individuals that were genetically altered to remove that genetic connection to the Warp, which results in not only an immunity to the Warp's powers, but also bestows the passive ability to destroy psychic energies in their proximity, which can in some cases kill psykers outright, and even erase Chaos Demons from existence.
Now apply that to the Forerunners. They are organic beings without any biological connection to the Warp, without needing an artificial gene to be as such. That means by definition, they are an entire species of Pariah, so there's very little the forces of Chaos could do to them outside of shooting at them at range. Chaos demons are psychic energy split off from their parent "gods", so if the Forerunners cut off the Warp from the inflow of psychic energy by wiping out all of 40k's biological races with the Halo Array, and then the Forerunners erased the Chaos Demons from existence as they emerge, eventually what's left of the Chaos "gods" would be too weak to be relevant, if not destroyed outright.
There is some susceptibility of AI to the C'Tan, but it's not absolute. The Necrons were able to break free of it, and the Forerunner AI are more advanced than the Necrons.
@@lennardchurch8483 1: there's no evidence that suggests erasing daemons would weaken or destroy the Chaos Gods in any way for any reason, as far as I know. 2: the C'Tan were not a part of Chaos and the only reason why the Necrons broke free of them was because of the Silent King who retained his independence somehow and had the ability to command all the Necrons. 3: the Forerunners wouldn't risk setting off a Halo Array unless the situation was truly that dire and even then it'd only be a temporary solution because life would just renew itself in the galaxy eventually. 4: adding the Forerunners to the 40k universe would require some dimension fuckery or making them native to the same dimension as the Imperium, and not necessarily the Milky Way. either way, since the nature of the Warp isn't fully understood, plus adding the Halo universe to that crazy mix, you can't really say they'd be Pariahs as you're exposing them to 40k's rules where the chances of them naturally developing as Pariahs would be extremely unlikely. For all we know, the Warp could be a multi-dimensional influence and the attention of the Chaos Gods is rarely ever focused on the mortal plane because they're always focused on their Great Game, so we never ever get to see what level of destruction Chaos can truly cause. and my final point is that if you're going to place any two universes in the same sort of setting and you've got something as unknown as the Warp, you can't say there's no connection at all because I don't think Halo ever said if the Forerunners had a connection to such a place or not which means, as I said, you can't claim their people would possess zero connection to the Warp. before anyone gets pissy with me, as people like to do, I'm only seeking a simple debate on these things. Not to anger, troll or any reasons people can come up with.
@@dinok5697 The Chaos "gods" create the demons by splitting off some of their power from the source, that manifests into the new entity. They can do this because they have an entire galaxy of live continually feeding them psychic energy. If they were cut off from that inflow of psychic energy, then they'd be reducing their remaining power every time they create a demon that they don't get the chance to re-absorb due to it being erased by a Pariah.
The Precursors could transition things between universes via Neural Physics, and the Forerunners were able to harvest energies from other universes to power their technology. Halo forces could conceivably drop into the 40k universe without magically becoming natives of it.
Also, the Precursors are eternal constants. There's no difference between past, present, and future for them, and they have the power to drastically change the genetics of entire species, so they could use their practical omniscience to turn entire species into Pariah... and honestly if they were in the 40k universe they could do it to 40k's native species too.
Your final point is an "argument from ignorance" logical fallacy. The Halo universe is well explained, with how the space-time dimensions function alongside the non-spatial dimensions of Slipspace that are wholly distinct from the Warp. There is no Warp in the Halo universe.
@@lennardchurch8483 1: but by adding the Halo universe to Warhammer, there could be a Warp in the Halo universe. just not active in it. the moment you add anything to something else that has a thing like the Warp, you're subjecting it to the rules of that something else regardless if you like it or not. and since you ignored a portion of my comment, as usual for youtube commenters, I didn't specifically state they'd have to be native to our dimension for the Halo universe to exist in the setting. I said they could either come from another dimension OR, emphasis on or so you don't ignore it a second time, making them native to it. I didn't say they specifically had to be made native to the exact same dimension. I also think it's obvious we don't know enough about the Warp to accurately claim if it has influence in multiple universes or not but I wouldn't put it past writers to make it so. and another thing, the debate was about the Forerunners. NOT the Precursors. and again, there is no evidence that suggests actually killing a Daemon would weaken Chaos at all since their power comes from concepts and emotions and their power depends on how much they're being fed.
@@dinok5697you could literally flip everything you said. But by adding the warhammer universe to Halo, their could be NO warp. What you said can be applied both ways or not at all.
This kind of reminds me of "The Culture Explores Warhammer 40k" though that series was very strictly trying to play the Culture in character so they'd underestimate the dangers of Chaos. The Culture were able to physically detect the moment Chaos affected their population. Their solution was to literally back up every citizen, billions on every single ship, every second and then just restore from backup the moment Chaos got in. Eventually a Mind fell to Chaos (I'm not sure how realistic this is, a Mind once told a protagonist "We are akin to gods and from the far side at that" and they weren't wrong) and that led to a Chaos Culture victory.
My questions. Do you think a modern united 40k could stand up to the forerunners?
Lol not a chance
I think that 343 or whoever wrote the lore for the Forunners made them way to OP even for Syfy standards of OP. In other words they over did it with the Forunners.
Cause they more or less represent the most ideal state a civilization can reach.
The covenant stomps the unsc and the forerunners are still like gods to them
You missed some of the power scaling: the Astartes wouldn’t be a problem at all. Recall that during the Dark Age of Technology the 40k Terminator suits weren’t weapons of war, they were simple environmental suits.
Compare the Speranza, a continent-sized Ark Mechanicus ship (basically a mobile forge world) that wasn’t even complete when found, and which utilized both black hole guns and temporal shifting so that it couldn’t miss. Oh, that Eldar ship used the warp to dodge? Not anymore it didn’t. And that’s the power scaling of an incomplete ship rather than one at the peak of DAOT power.
Could DAOT humanity stop the Forerunners? No. Could they at least pose an annoyance? Yes.
Could anything in 40k meaningfully oppose the Forerunner? Only Chaos, due to it being Chaotic. The real question is this: what happens if the Immaterium is fully closed off from real space in the 40k universe? I think that means that organic sentience ends, as the Sea of Souls is a mirror of life, and so even if the Forerunner could do it (and I think they can), they wouldn’t as it would violate the Mantle of Responsibility. Alternatively: what happens to the Warp if life is gone for long enough? Does it return to a tranquil state? If the Forerunners used the Halo rings and then waited a few million/billion years before re-sending life would it reset the Warp, returning it to the tranquil state it was in before the War in Heaven? I think so, but 40k and time are weird.
The Forerunners' mastery of genetics would allow them to create their own version of the Pariah gene, which they'd incorporate species wide, not only on themselves, but on 40k's mortal races, filling the galaxy with entities that destroy Warp energies with their proximity, completely cutting of the Warp from its sustenance, without having to kill anyone.
Of course, there'd still be war, and people would die, and the Forerunners have the Halo Array and Guardians if needed, but the eradication of life wouldn't be needed to defeat Chaos. Just turning everyone into what 40k calls "soulless" would do the trick.
I wander what would happen if Peak Precursors who aren't averse to fighting end up in 40k. In my imagination... goodbye C'tan. Goodbye Chaos because lets be honest whatever the hell neurolphysics is its something more than whatever the hell C'tan and Chaos are.
@@berilsevvalbekret772 If anything, falling under the control of the Precursors would make the 40k universe the most peaceful it has ever been. They'd probably give the Necrons back their biological bodies, and give every biological entity the Alpha Pariah Gene (or equivalent), completely erasing Chaos as a faction, and removing psykers from the equation.
The Chaos of the Warp would evaporate, leaving it a featureless void, and the greatest danger of it would be the loss of 40k's races' ability to navigate it.
Worlds would have to survive on their own, until travel was re-established, and the Precursors would likely send each culture an avatar-races (like the Endless) to guide them towards an understanding of the universe and their place in it that coincides with the Mantle.
Through it all, the Precursors would likely also orchestrate a splintering of the Tau, giving the component races the opportunity to strike out and grow on their own, sort of like what the Precursors had the Flood do to the Covenant.
After watch Majorkill's videos on the Golden and Dark age of Technology it would not be a one side beat down for the Forerunners Humanity at that time had some insane weapon that even gave the Eldar Empire and Ork a pause nanite swarms that eat whole plans, to the man of iron, dark matter weaponry, psytitans, and a machine that fire reality braking weapons
Yeah but that's old tech to the point no one is allow to build anything because to them it goes against their teachings. They need to discover'em.
All the stuff you just listed was done by the forerunners but better dark matter vs anti matter anti matter wins nano swarm meet an innumerable number of cheap robots an ai in every forerunner etc
@@venlil how about a weapon that moves a starship back in time by a millisecond after holding it in place with a micro black hole
@@jacthing1 the forerunners have stasis tech, they use it instead of cryo pods
@@jacthing1 Meet the time warp that localises on a singular area and forces billions of years to pass in a blink. Your crew is now a pile of dust.
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nah you're biased. forerunners would wreck dark age of tech. not even funny comparable. loo
Only issue with what I’m hearing….. 40k has reasonable and logical issues the 4Runners seem to be made up by the kid you didn’t like playing with as a child because his toys always seemed to have every possible way to be perfect against anything. Nothing fkn works perfectly after 100k years lol. This is basic knowledge even space rocks diminish over time and break down. This includes EVERY material available for construction as all material are gathered. And no a civilization does not create things that the universe can’t. It may be rarer than common material but even on earth nature has created the first nuclear reactor 1.7 BILLION years ago.
That's not an accurate take. The Forerunners have lost many technologies, and there are entire abandoned fleets that have deteriorated with time. The technology they were using by the time the war against the Flood started was effectively immune to time-based deterioration, and much of it is self-repairing, or repaired by other automated constructs they designed. Huragok can even use their tentacles to shift the atomic structure of things to re-shape or reinforce them. Also, you are incorrect in saying that "civilization does not create things that the universe can't". The universe functions from its creation based on the laws of physics that govern it, and it doesn't design new things. Stars are nuclear reactors, but they don't harness that energy to turn it into usable power for technologies. In the Halo universe, Hard Light doesn't occur naturally. The Forerunners' understanding of physics grew to the extent that they were able to manipulate energy to create solid barriers. We in the real world can manipulate electromagnetic fields to contain plasma, and those directed electromagnetic fields used for containment aren't something you find in nature either.
And the big one, 40k fans are 100% the type of kid you don't like playing with because they always say their side can beat everything, and they counter every example of something stronger with "nuh-uh", the way you're discounting the Forerunners.
Ahh yes comparing the weakest time in 40k to the strongest in halo
Compare the strongest time of 40k to the Forerunners and you'll have much of the same result.
The Forerunners have the technological ability/genetic mastery to develop their own Alpha Pariah gene and incorporate it species wide. If they do that, then light the Halo Array, then they only have to fight the Necrons, whose sum total of technology is only a subset of what the Forerunners can do.
@@lennardchurch8483 necrons are pretty weak compared to other races in there prime comparing necrons is a super small race
@@alexisgonzalez5927 The point I made initially is that the Forerunners don't even have to fight them, because the Halo Array can purge the 40k galaxy of organic life in a day, by firing 10,000 lightyears beyond the furthest stars to one side of the galactic plane, then being moved and fired the same distance out on the other side of the plane, eliminating all of 40k's organic races without ever moving close enough to be shot at.
In 40k terms, the Forerunners are a race of Primarchs with the technological ability encompassing every technological achievement the Eldar, Necrons, Imperium, and Tau have, either matching or exceeding them.
@@lennardchurch8483 40k is at its weakest u now that right ?
@@alexisgonzalez5927 "40k is at its weakest u now that right ?"
Obviously. And that doesn't contradict anything I said.
My question is, if the forerunners were so powerful, and then got taken out by the flood;
How the fuck are the Covenant and Humanity managing to hold off the flood in present day?
Because the Flood absorb the knowledge of whatever they absorb. They also held the flood back for hundreds, if not thousands of years, where as the Covenant and Humanity barely held on for a month.
There's layers to the correct answer, and some misconceptions have to be corrected for them to make sense.
The Flood are not an all-consuming parasite that's being held at bey by near-future humanity and an alien alliance. The Flood are avatars of the Precursors, eternal constants that manipulate species and events across the whole of time from their perspective completely outside of time. The Flood are merely a tool used by the Precursors to manipulate the various races to develop and advance in the directions the Precursors want them to.
The Forerunners are legitimately comparable to the combined technological ability of the Eldar, Imperium, Necrons, and Tau, while also possessing some technologies beyond any of them (like the Halo Array). The Flood's abilities are more comparable to the combined abilities of the Orks, Tyranids, and Chaos gods. The Flood held back against the Forerunners, deliberately making the war last long enough for the Forerunner civilization to culturally peak, and then the Flood destroyed them as punishment for the Forerunners' crimes against the Mantle, and not even the might of the Halo Array could prevent the Flood from accomplishing this task.
Modern humanity and the Covenant in the Halo universe are only surviving encounters with the Flood, because the Flood is holding back even more than it did against the Forerunners. Humanity and the Covenant for their flaws have not violated the Mantle the way the Forerunners did, so they aren't sentenced to destruction... and even if they were, they'll be permitted to reach their full potential before execution is carried out, in accordance with the rule of the Mantle.
The guy who wrote books about the Flood-Forerunner war forgot to think about that.
@@nobleman9393 That's completely incorrect. Bungie wrote the lore in which the Flood kicked the Forerunners' cans, and appear to be held at bay by the Covenant and Humanity. Greg Bear's trilogy fills in the details (written in full compliance with the Halo Story Bible, which he had physically in his hands when he was writing the novels), Presenting lore that reveals new facets to the Flood's nature that completely change how we perceive them.
The Flood isn't actually trying to consume everything. It was holding back against the Forerunners, and it's holding back even more against the Covenant and Humanity.
Really bad writing on 343's part.
And presumably a way for them to say 'LOOK AT TEH SUPAH-AWSUM RAES DAT WUZ TEH BESTUST EVAR BUT O NO DEY GUT WYPED OWT BY TEH FING YU WER FITEINK!'
Seriously, while I love the Bungee era of the games, 343 has royally screwed everything up in terms of scaling.
for me it shows how broken WH really is when they have to pull some Peak ancient Civilization at their highest, from their favourite Sci Fi / Game, just to compete with CURRENT WH Lore (which is 41st Millenium), where:
- Humanity is just a Shadow of it's former self and losing at a snail speed.
- Eldar / Dark Eldar are so small they are almost irrelevant
- Orks are past their prime as well and keep killing each other
- Tau are basically a growing child
- Necrons are just starting to waking up and suffering from their Power Nap.
- Tyranids, well we only saw their initial Tendrils and Scouting Parties. We still don't know how big they really are.
- Chaos, well except for that "undivided" Event, they do not care about real space much.
And the second Problem is that the Informations and History about Golden Age of Tech Humanity, Ancient Pre Slaneesh Eldar, Krorks and War in Heaven Necrons + Ctan, is so scarse and little, that we might never be able to compare or powerscale any of them in their peak Era, with other Sci Fi Civilizations.
Heck, Golden Age of Tech Humanity had Machines called Machinvores or something like that, that could process Matter (and Dark / Anti Matter) into Information. Kinda like the Fotino Birds do in Xeelee Sequence. And that is just a tiny known information about Humanity back in the 25th Millenium.
and another Problem is that even that no Chaos God might corrupt the Forerunners, the Warp would just create a new Chaos God, prefectly matched to corrupt the Forerunners, because Warp Magic Shenenigans . Just like the Space Elves murderfucked Slaneesh to existence.
the premise of these videos is flawed, is like comparing morgoth (a character from mythology, one of the highest ranking spirits in tolkiens universe) to the hobbits. We cant even analize a 3 way war between the cthan, old ones and forerunners because we dont know for sure just how powerfull were the cthan and old ones since they belong to the mythic era. If a Cthan, complete one, not just shards, suddenly appear it would devour everyone, no current race could stop it, we cant kill them since they are part of the fabric of reality, if they die reality goes too and i dont know if the current necrons could shard them again, the necrons were decimated in the process of trapping the cthan, they suffered such catastrophic damage that had to go take a nap to hide and avoid being exterminated by the eldar and kroks. On the other hand the forerunner that appear in halo was defeated by master chief, not by an alliance of all the current races united to put this ancient threat to rest. This is the problem with bringing these mythic ancient powers to current age, they go from "invincible all powerfull terrors of the universe" to have to be defeatable somehow, imagine wh bringing the old ones back to current times and the ultramarines finding a way to defeat them to save the day it would be laughable and i would lose all respect for warhammer storytelling
It's not really competing when you're basically laping the competition. The last video with the covenant would be more akin to competing.
Fun fact most of information we have on the forerunners is from the books and that takes place at their lowest point getting absolutely destroyed by the flood so this is them at their weakest
The forerunners were the fourth weakest faction in Halo, and were demilitarized in the books used as reference here. They were the third most advanced in terms of technology, and again fourth for intelligence. The only thing they placed second in was survival time and that's because one faction was sandwiched, one let itself die and the other beat both sides at the same time. That being said you have some points, but this is all assuming the forerunners don't want to destroy everything because of their philosophy. If it came down to all out war, current 40k would be wiped out in a matter of days, as for ancient yeah there's basically nothing that can be pulled due to lack of information but we're talking about the #4 ranked Halo faction being at least on par with most dark age civilizations.
you know he said that they could take both anciant and current warhammer not like all the races would stop fighting to fight them lol.
Men relly why i see so many people say that the forreruners curbstomp the necrons when that clearly is not the chase i mean relly . Ther is a vs battle betwen the necrons and the forreruners on spacebattle wich gous in more detail and there are relly good arguments why the necrons win against the forreruners . The point that im tryng to say is that evribody wen see forreruners vs 40k are like "no men the forreruners curbstomp 40k" yea ok probably modern day 40k but what abaout the war in heaven era or DAOT . The point is forreruners vs 40k ( especialy necrons) is not a curbstomp actualy contrary the necrons can and have many ways to actually beat/destroy the forreruners
Daot humanity would be destroyed by the Forerunners
@@admiralshadowofasunderedst3068 dude that is your opinion that dosent mean is true , evrybody has difret opinions of cours you will say that your faction/univers will win because evrybody is biased towards they univers . The point is evrybody has diffrent opinions and there wull be clashes betwen the opinions but if you are seying the forrenurs win just because you like the more that is you problem . And yes the necrons have tech that is on par with the forrenurs if you don't want to acknowledge that even were there are clear examples then this discution will not continiu
Most debates include a lot of people who don't know what they're talking about nearly as well as they think they do, and this definitely applies whenever the topic is 40 vs anything else.
If you dig into the Forerunners' lore, their technological abilities match everything the Eldar, Necrons, Imperium, and Tau can do, combined, and they control 3x as many worlds as the Imperium. Even the Celestial Orrery, the pride of the Necrons, does what the Forerunners' civilian mining ships do (scan the entire galaxy at once for real-time locations of trace amounts of elements, and blow up planets).
The Forerunners would know in real time the locations of all Necron forces and strongholds, because the Necrons build everything out of Necrodermis. And while the Necrons are limited to 40k's FTL options, the Forerunners utilize Slipspace, which is significantly faster, safer, and more reliable, being usable anywhere. The Necrons would never be able to get the upper hand against the Forerunners. They're simply too far behind in both knowledge of their enemy and technology.
@@lennardchurch8483 yea sure dude continiu to simp for the forerruners . If you belive that forerruners just simple demolish the necrons then i recomand for you to dig some info abaut them ( just like you said that i find some info abaut forer , i sugest you do the same abaut the necrons ) . And if you just continiu like this then this conversation will not continiu
@@brotherazrael1548 You're seriously projecting your own shortcoming of knowledge. How about actually trying to defend your position instead of assuming that other equally ignorant people did your work for you? I can defend from the novels all of my arguments, but you can't.
Yeah I don't think the Forerunners would actually do that well they have basically no defense against chaos for example
The warp
Psychers
Plus all those massive weapons that they built took like hundreds of years to build
I mean, they are the masters of the physical universe.
Just like the C'tan.
They could likely just invent a way to remove the warp/psychers
No it didn't installation 04b/09 took only a couple of months without forerunner oversight
Basically everything we know about the forerunners is from during the fall of their empire and even then they were arguing about if they should tilt the whole galaxy and were funnelling energy in from other universes not to mention they out scale even the imperium of man in terms of numbers and best even war in heaven necrons in terms of tech hell they could just throw a halo ring or three into the eye of terror
@@jameson1239 Throwing Halo Rings *into* the Eye of Terror, thus placing them in the Warp, would do literally nothing since I believe they're designed to kill creatures like the Flood or humans or whatever. Things with normal, mundane, fleshy bodies in a dimension with a set of rules for how things work whereas Daemons might as well be more energy than flesh and dwell in a realm where the rules are defined by its rulers. Even if they would somehow work, do you really think the Chaos Gods would just ignore the rings or that the technology wouldn't fall to their corruption by being bathed in all of that Chaos energy? because Chaos has been known to corrupt machines too, not just people.
@@dinok5697 the Halo rings were intended to kill organic material however I’m pretty sure it’s stated or atleast implied the Halo rings when fired did permanent damage to the domain and some neurophysics stuff
We are talking about the same advanced species that accidentally killed their own species right? So smart they lost to piles of moving sht…
That's about as accurate as saying helicopters are flying, upside-down lawnmowers.
The Flood are a bioweapon designed by a race of omniscient being who have the power to change the laws of physics through sheer force of will. The Flood's abilities match everything 40k's Orks, Tyranids, and Chaos "gods" can do, combined.
The Forerunners created a weapon that can one-shot an entire galaxy, eradicating all biological life in it, and they created two space stations larger than planets to preserve entire civilizations when they wipe out life in the galaxy in their attempt to stop the Flood. But the aforementioned omniscient race of Precursors who are the guiding intelligence behind the Flood are why that didn't work. The Flood waited for humans to be moved off of the Greater Ark and sent to the Lesser Ark, then the Flood obliterated the Greater Ark, just before the Halo Array was fired. The Forerunners' technological abilities exceeded everything 40k's Eldar, Necrons, Imperium, and Tau have, combined.
The Forerunners fell to a god damn parasite that they only could STARVE into submission, how the hell could they have a chance at beating any of the factions in Warhammer 40K especially the Chaos Gods who live IN THE EYE OF TERROR and anyone that ventures into their realms tends to never leave,
Khorne will resurrect you if he deems you worthy of fighting over and over again for his own amusement, like what happened with the Ork Warband that went into the Eye of Terror.
Tzeench would mind fuck you with his schemes within schemes making any tactical plan drawn up makes assault Tzeench's realm null and voided.
Slannesh will literally fuck you as their entire realm is themed around pleasure.
Nurgle will PLAGUE you with PARASITES, and if you can heal off his plagues then just like the Eldar god Isha, he keeps captive as a personal test subject you'll just be subjected to the same fate.
You should read the Forerunner Saga... that would correct a lot of your misconceptions.
The Flood aren't a mere parasite. They're weapons wielded by literal eternal constants to manipulate the course of history, past, present, and future to bring about the desired outcome. The Flood's observed abilities compare to what's seen from 40k's Orks, Tyranids, and Chaos gods, combined.
The Forerunners are an empire 3x the size of the Imperium, entirely populated by the equivalent of Primarchs, possessing the technological equivalent or a superior technology to everything the Eldar, Imperium, Necrons, and Tau have, combined.
The Forerunners are also from a universe untouched by the Warp, meaning the Chaos energies didn't affect the development of their species the way it did 40k's various races, which leaves the Forerunners with no biological connection to the Warp. Chaos has no back-door into their minds, and their emotions/actions don't feed the Warp. What's more, is that even if this didn't confer the whole of the effect on the Warp that Pariah have, the Forerunners are such masters of genetics that they'd reverse-engineer the Pariah Gene and implement it species-wide. Chaos would quickly find that an entire civilization of Alpha Pariah is out of their league, especially when that civilization either exterminates or turns every other race in the 40k universe into Pariah as well, cutting the Warp off from the influx of psychic energy that sustains it.
@@lennardchurch8483 Bravo! That was perfectly articulated. I have nothing to add. You saved me a lot of time correcting this guy.
Dude the flood is basically an ancient one with the power of ctan, with mind of teznetch, more easy explanation : flood is real space tzeentch
@@darkamir-ig3kj And yet is limited to only being able to infect via two methods, spores and the nervous system via the infection forms, most if not all of the demons in every single God's possession don't have such a system and in the case of Tzeentch's demons are likely capable of shifting their bodies around to avoid infection even if they did have those systems, those same demons are also without a doubt capable of breathing fire thus burning away whatever flood spores exist in the air along with whatever flood biomass they come into contact with.
Then there's the Tyranids who are known to ADAPT to anything thrown at them so even if one infection form managed to take over a single member of the Tyranid species, said species would already be capable of resisting future infection attempts meaning the flood would only have ONE CHANCE to even wipe the Tyranids off the board.
Then there's the Necrons, who already don't have lungs to breath in any spores or a nervous system so no infection possibility there, the only way to even remotely turn the Necrons to the flood's side would be to use the logic plague... except how you do use a logic plague on a race that only has one directive "to destroy all life" which would include the flood when the two meet in combat.
The only faction that the flood MIGHT have a chance in beating with their traditional methods, would ironically be the Imperial Guard since they are literally used as nothing but cannon fodder for most situations, and even if the flood does gain a victory on that front, they then have the Inquisition already in orbit ready to release the nuke known as the Exterminatus.
I mean..
No.
And I don't even like the 40K lore, but saying that just super technology wins against OP magic is just dumb as hell.
Not really op when you can glass magic person's star system even while outside the galaxy.
There really isn’t op magic and yes the super technology that could wipe everyone from the galaxy would probably win
Necrons have better (at minimum comparable) technoloogy and have nigh unlimited star vampire gods trapped within crystals. Oh noes they (forerunners) fire the thing that wipes a galaxy of biological life.. well, there goes most opposition necrons are untocyhed and the tyranids who have consumed/is consuming the rest of the whole universe are basically untouched. As are the uncountable beings that are in the warp. I can give you several paragraphs about how the necrons would easily defeat the entirety of Halo but, we are talking about the whole of 40K vs the forerunners. They have no chance against the complete and insannity that is 40K.
People who think that the Halo universe has a chance against 40K universe is either a) a complete idiot or b) too much of a fanboy to get their head out of halo's ass.
No. Science wins here, because it doesn't matter how powerful your magic staff of incineration is, it ain't armor, and it certainly ain't stopping bullet.
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Yeah, and the forerunners could likely disconnect the warp from physical space.
Like necron pylons but permanent.
>40k would lose
>Not this weak ass gay spartan though, who solos the entire universe
Bullshit. . . . . Chaos would corrupt somebody somewhere . and once it starts... it never ends. Nurgle would brew something special just because he could. She who thirst would find a way and Changer of ways? YES.
Yeah but also their suits ai would alert everyone else in the vicinity to the change and almost instantly get them quarantined. Also again what would you tempt a race with that could reshape star systems on a whim? What scheme has tzeentch pulled that was so mighty it killed an entire galaxy? What rage would khorne feed from when the race as a whole is driven torwards peace? What could nurgle cook up that would outclass the flood, and wouldn’t instantly be sterilized the moment it started spreading?
Maybe they would corrupt a forerunner or two, some AI perhaps. The Floods biggest advantage was being able to corrupt by superior persuasion, subtle infection and straight up manipulation of minds and AIs conciousness. So if chaos could do that they could be successful but the only reason the flood succeeded in such was because the didact and mendicant bias directly interacted with what was essentially the original gravemind and may have been the equivalent to the forerunners god.
So basically the chaos gods would have to directly interact with forerunner leadership and machine intelligence. Not beyond them but also not absolute.
@@Ambulatory_Viscount imagine how he will feel when the tyranids get shit on by the flood.
I don’t know to much about chaos but I’m pretty sure corrupting an AI is going to be the most impossible think for them, and we are talking about a race with non or hardly any emotional desires and run on pure logic.
Tho they are capable to go mad it took half a century for one of them that’s imprisoned and isolated to wane just revenge on humanity.
Choas simp 🖕
Why is he discussing forerunners who are extinct vs current 40k. Have them fight the fkn old ones and come talk about it. Such a screwed and bias tale…
Forerunners still win
After watch Majorkill's videos on the Golden and Dark age of Technology it would not be a one side beat down for the Forerunners Humanity at that time had some insane weapon that even gave the Eldar Empire and Ork a pause nanite swarms that eat whole plans, to the man of iron, dark matter weaponry, psytitans, and a machine that fire reality braking weapons
This is current 40k though, for the video discussion, so it doesn't take place in the Golden or dark age, rather it takes place in the current age where most of the old stuff is either corrupted, derelict, or just outright gone with no means of actually building the tech from those ages.
@@fanficlover well for something more Current on the same scale as DAoT Humans .... well Necrons ...
@@Ower8x Forerunners would still win tho.
Especially "current day" Necrons.
I truly think the thing that shows how powerful the forerunners are is in one book there was like a throwaway line talking about how the forerunners were arguing if they should tilt the axis of the galaxy to see what would happen
@@fanficlover thing is, it's already been revealed that things like the Men of Iron still survive and it's not exactly impossible for that nightmarish group of machines to rise again at a later date. if you ask me for proof about their survival, just look up Baldermort's video on them as I think he explains a surviving group had been encountered by the Salamanders during a mission they weren't supposed to survive. or use UR-025 as another example. the chance of those ancient technologies returning is slim at best but not impossible. especially not with the Imperium and Mechanicus always keeping an eye out for STCs.