@@oz_jonesthe idea was adapted, the comedy style changed. That's why it was successful and what made it great. Steve Carell was great for doing that because he understands British comedy and knows theres a culture and comedy difference between America and Britain.
The reason why Popper wrote it by himself and had such a deep understanding of the characters was because they were based on his own family and things that happened to him when he was younger.
The whole point of the original is that each family tends to have these hyper-specific customs and inside jokes, so the series had those (Martin taking his shirt off, bobble, shit on it, skill mcgill, etc).. an American remake should've created their own family lore. Having a dad who's in a band isn't specific enough, it has no colour, so to speak.
exactly!! the american version seemed like it was trying to keep things a little more relatable and generic, but the point of the original show is that a lot of it won't be for most people. we're getting a weekly peek at a baffling group of people, and slowly understanding and loving their weirdness.
You'd think after the failed attempts at Peep Show, The Inbetweeners and People Just Do Nothing, Americans would learn that you can't just take a British comedy and expect it to work in the States because of the cultural differences we have. What next, an American adaptation of Derry Girls?
Don't forget only fools and horses (renamed 'kings of van nuys') with John Leguizamo as Del, and Christopher Lloyd as grandad! It never got past a pilot, watch 1 minute of it and you'll see why, think it's up here on youtube.
Why do Americans feel the need to remake British shows where the majority of the charm only works because it’s tied to British culture & customs that just don’t translate to American
I've said it before, and I'll say it again... Americans need to just watch the original UK shows and learn to understand the accents and references... Just as we do with American shows. You're never going to capture and recreate what made the original so good. So, why bother trying?
Part of my own personal lore for Friday Night Dinner is with Simon Birds character being a muscian. I imagine in the shows universe, the Theme, credits and all the transition music is actually stuff he wrote.
The most stark contrast being I can't help but laugh at the relatable absurdity of the Friday Night Dinner clips, whereas I can't help but cringe at the Dinner with the Parents clips. I don't think Americans will ever grasp British comedy and their attempts to replicate it will subsequently always fall flat.
I'm guessing that Popper isn't credited as the creator in the opening credits because the series bared so little in common with the original that he asked for his name to not be used (and one way or another this was in the contract)
I think a lot of these American remakes just have too much money and too many resources thrown into them that they hardly ever live up to the expectation set by the production value
I never heard of the original let alone the remake. A couple of things just popped into my head. I was a huge fan of Coupling, and I know they made a remake, I'm not sure if you've mentioned it yourself. Even though I didn't watch the original either, I can see from the clips that come up that the UK and US versions of Shameless are very different in tone. This was pointed out by another commenter but this seems a very American aspect of American Exceptionalism. There was a scene which was incredibly well-acted and very powerful. When she listed off the accomplishments of her siblings which she had had a hand in, they all had to be the bloody bestest in the state at something. Considering where they continually seemed to be, they when from screw-ups to high achievers. They couldn't simply celebrate being stable or better than yesterday. They HAD to be exceptional. Great channel as always, I and clearly others, feel that you are providing a new perspective on things.
This show was perfect for me and my Nan to watch as I got older because it wasn’t too crude or there wasn’t too much swearing but was still so damn hilarious.
Note: every actor in the UK cast was an accomplished successful comedy actor in their own right before the show, the US show relied on all unknowns except Carol Kane who just didnt have the comedy chops to make the show funny - the UK cast brought themselves and their own comedy skill to each role, the US version , another money grab ripoff, flopped.
I doubt Friday Night Dinner could ever work in the US. They have a larger Jewish comedy scene with an established style. Whereas there isn't one in the UK at least not well known. Friday Night Dinner is not based on it and is in quite stark contrast to Jewish comedy in the USA. Therefore, Friday Night Dinners comedy is so alien to what an American audience would expect or the writers would write which is probably why so little of the show was kept.
I was just thinking that too. There's a very established image of Jewishness in American comedy, with a lot of shared tropes and jokes across the media landscape, while in the UK it's still kind of based around individual Jewish experiences. So a show like Friday Night Dinner, which has comedy based on the kind of hyperspecific in-jokes a family has, would do better in the UK than the USA because the audience here isn't expecting a certain kind of writing.
it's so weird how the grandmother is so much younger as well. americans just have to make everyone better looking and with a stronger ego presence. i love that actress btw but she should have probably played the mother.
1:13 one correction is for British comedy this is entirely normal, to have an original creator or creators who write every episode. Ony Fools and One Foot in the Grave for a single person ones specifically. For American comedy it is unheard-of to have the same writers write all the episodes, it's why they can have so many.
Yeah I was just about to comment this. I don't know if this has become less common, but that's certainly traditionally been the case. Even when there's been duos or teams such as Perry and Croft or the League of Gentlemen, they wrote every episode together rather than individually
Jim as the weirdo next door is a goldmine of comedy with a lot of potential. Americanising the characters doesn't work because of cultural differences. An American version of Jim has to be limited to like you said "A bit of a dick." a creepy, dangerous lunatic or someone that desperately needs some help, which is difficult to ring much mirth out of. It's like how American nerds can be funny, likeable characters but it's difficult to get that from British nerds, which are often very lonely people with a kind of darkness about them.
Sad to see this, I was never a fan of FND but seeing Daniel Thrasher in something that flopped, tis a shame because he's a good actor and funny comedian
Oh no! Daniel Thrasher is in this remake?! I really like his RUclips channel and think he can be really funny. But I guess that's when he's doing his own content, not this rubbish.
I won’t lie, as a longtime fan of Daniel Thrasher’s RUclips channel, I was hoping this show would surpass my expectations and actually be quite good. Sadly, it was exactly as good as I thought it’d be.
Hello - unspecific crew member on this show here! A bit shocked this came across my recommended as I thought no one knew it existed lol. Small fact though - it was all shot in England, with entirely English crew. We all knew. That's all I'll say 😅
Thank you for the comment! I understood it was filmed in England and that makes sense as a lot of the side characters were english actors too. Anything else you can share about the production? Obviously, I know you can't be too specific as to identify yourself, but anything vague would be cool to hear too!
Popper was let down by his agent here. His credit could and should have been alongside the title card had they negotiated better on his behalf. That said, Popper was probably glad it wasn't when it turned out to be a dud.
It definitely helps that in the original, the actors who play the lads feel like they're mates and get along with each other. Rrally great chemistry with each other.
Americans trying to replicate this were doomed to fail. No-one can do Jim like Mark Heap, as demonstrated here. The only American who's weird enough to do something similar that I can think of is Emo Philips.
Why do they even do US remakes of shows like this? I've always wondered. I kinda get it when it's a foreign language show, since some people don't watch things with subtitled (for some reason), but a show where they're speaking the same language, in a country with an extremely similar culture, and that is easily accessible in the US what is the point?
Some americans cant understand british accents or dont find our humour funny. Its mostly just they'd rather watch americans in american shows than try and enjoy shows from other cultures, regardless of if they speak the same language.
Cuz Americans don't like appreciating people other than themselves. They'd rather watch a chappy remake of something that isn't American than actually watch the original.
I disagree that Simon Bird's character in Friday Night Dinner is completely different than his role in The Inbetweeners. I think he's basically exactly the same lol
Americans just don't have the same ability to read between the lines that brits do. It's just a fundimentally less sarcastic place than Britain, I think thats why these american adaptations never go well.
BBC, ITV and Channel 4 are all intertwined in lots of ways. When you look at the production companies of a lot of shows, they are often each owned by or have stakes in companies that make things for other channels. They usually also band together when they license things out to foreign networks and productions.
@@cinewhirl I genuinely didn't know that and feel like it's kind of obvious after thinking about it for a few minutes, but I never would have twigged if you hadn't said it. It's like when watching an American film that's associated with Film4. That always throws me.
You don't get the claustrophobic tinder keg feeling of everyone forced together when you transfer the story from a British semi to an American mini-mansion. Kills it.
I feel that Friday Night Dinner fell off after the second series. It got too silly. Mainly because of the character of Jim. He started off as a smaller side character. He then went on to become the fan favourite which ended up transforming him from being mildly weird and annoying to absolutely bonkers and ridiculous. It impacted the show in a negative way.
Ugh, it all looks so badly lit, almost more like it should be a comedy set in a morgue or something. And while I've only seen the clips you showed here, the family just doesn't feel like a family somehow. (Also, I think you should re-release your polo video with a new thumbnail, it hasn't got the attention it deserved. Get Prince Harry's sad face on there for a start.)
Never wwtchee the orginal or this verison and yhis one looks so bad like one og thoes shity Christmas movies but im pretty sure the younger brother in yhe American one is like a tiktoker or something I definitely saw atlest 1 video of that guy
I wish the US would just leave British shows alone. Every time they remake one of our shows its truly awful.
Office US
@@oz_jonesthe idea was adapted, the comedy style changed. That's why it was successful and what made it great. Steve Carell was great for doing that because he understands British comedy and knows theres a culture and comedy difference between America and Britain.
@@oz_jones That's the only exception and I don't even think of it as a remake, I'd consider them two completly different shows
@@oz_jonesExactly. Office US was terrible but The Office was great.
That's nothing like the UK version @@oz_jones
The reason why Popper wrote it by himself and had such a deep understanding of the characters was because they were based on his own family and things that happened to him when he was younger.
And he also understands comedy and sitcoms because of how he understands character dynamics generally.
The whole point of the original is that each family tends to have these hyper-specific customs and inside jokes, so the series had those (Martin taking his shirt off, bobble, shit on it, skill mcgill, etc).. an American remake should've created their own family lore. Having a dad who's in a band isn't specific enough, it has no colour, so to speak.
exactly!! the american version seemed like it was trying to keep things a little more relatable and generic, but the point of the original show is that a lot of it won't be for most people. we're getting a weekly peek at a baffling group of people, and slowly understanding and loving their weirdness.
agreed
These remakes show how irreplaceable Mark Heap is, especially playing desperately pathetic weirdos in a way which gives them charm and believability.
Mark Heap is always a sign something will be worth watching.
"Who, Brian?
No, he's the weirdo that lives downstairs.
Oh sorry, it IS Brian?
Yeah, come on up."
Pineapple chunks
I really should watch Green Wing.
Spaced is a beautiful show@abegarfield7030
My first thought when seeing this was "why is it lit like a movie? Houses don't look like that".
It looks more Breaking Bad than Peep Show.
@@freddysw even breaking bad had more real-feeling lighting!! this one is lit so evenly and softly, it looks like an advert.
@@freddyswdefinitely not, breaking bad is lit way more realistically than that lol
Wasn't expecting a Daniel Trasher sighting.
Me neither what 😭😭
I just audibly gasped 😭
nothing against daniel and I like his stuff (as a musician) but he is still an american after all and these remakes always feel forced.
You'd think after the failed attempts at Peep Show, The Inbetweeners and People Just Do Nothing, Americans would learn that you can't just take a British comedy and expect it to work in the States because of the cultural differences we have.
What next, an American adaptation of Derry Girls?
The American Red Dwarf was an absolute abomination.
Fortunately it didn't get past the pilot episode.
Americans don't get it, never will, so will continue to keep trying.
You missed the awful attempt to do Gavin and Stacey, Us and Them.
Don't forget only fools and horses (renamed 'kings of van nuys') with John Leguizamo as Del, and Christopher Lloyd as grandad!
It never got past a pilot, watch 1 minute of it and you'll see why, think it's up here on youtube.
@abegarfield7030so glad I’ve never heard of the USA version of red dwarf me and my dad grew up on it
It didn't even cross my mind we never knew Martin's job
I think he's an architect but yeah it's never actually mentioned in Friday Night Dinner
I assumed he’s retired, whatever job he did, but architect sounds right
Paul Ritter’s spinning in his grave at this Yank crap 🤦♂️
Friday Night Dinner, like so many other UK sitcoms, can never have that quintessential British charm replicated in other countries.
The younger brother is Daniel Thrasher on RUclips. I'm surprised to see him in this.
THATS WHY I RECOGNISE HIM!
Yeah, he's funny and talented when he's doing his own thing.
Poor guy needs a new agent ASAP
They did him dirty with this show
Why do Americans feel the need to remake British shows where the majority of the charm only works because it’s tied to British culture & customs that just don’t translate to American
I've said it before, and I'll say it again... Americans need to just watch the original UK shows and learn to understand the accents and references... Just as we do with American shows. You're never going to capture and recreate what made the original so good. So, why bother trying?
100%
If "Americanising" it means even they don't like it, just stick with the original and hope it grows on them.
The only reason Shameless and The Office worked to a point is that they went in their own direction
@@Forestgravy90 Yeah, but for me personally, they still can't match up to the originals though.
Do American companies never learn that remaking British shoes fails 99% of the time, literally the only successful one was the office
Part of my own personal lore for Friday Night Dinner is with Simon Birds character being a muscian. I imagine in the shows universe, the Theme, credits and all the transition music is actually stuff he wrote.
The most stark contrast being I can't help but laugh at the relatable absurdity of the Friday Night Dinner clips, whereas I can't help but cringe at the Dinner with the Parents clips. I don't think Americans will ever grasp British comedy and their attempts to replicate it will subsequently always fall flat.
I'm guessing that Popper isn't credited as the creator in the opening credits because the series bared so little in common with the original that he asked for his name to not be used (and one way or another this was in the contract)
I think a lot of these American remakes just have too much money and too many resources thrown into them that they hardly ever live up to the expectation set by the production value
OH MY GOD IT'S DANIEL THRASHER
I never heard of the original let alone the remake.
A couple of things just popped into my head. I was a huge fan of Coupling, and I know they made a remake, I'm not sure if you've mentioned it yourself.
Even though I didn't watch the original either, I can see from the clips that come up that the UK and US versions of Shameless are very different in tone. This was pointed out by another commenter but this seems a very American aspect of American Exceptionalism. There was a scene which was incredibly well-acted and very powerful. When she listed off the accomplishments of her siblings which she had had a hand in, they all had to be the bloody bestest in the state at something. Considering where they continually seemed to be, they when from screw-ups to high achievers. They couldn't simply celebrate being stable or better than yesterday. They HAD to be exceptional.
Great channel as always, I and clearly others, feel that you are providing a new perspective on things.
It's odd that Coupling has a remake,
considering It's essentially
a British version of Friends
and Friends is a follow-up to
Mad about you.
please watch friday night dinner its absolutely amazing, unlike this complete american garbage
This show was perfect for me and my Nan to watch as I got older because it wasn’t too crude or there wasn’t too much swearing but was still so damn hilarious.
Note: every actor in the UK cast was an accomplished successful comedy actor in their own right before the show, the US show relied on all unknowns except Carol Kane who just didnt have the comedy chops to make the show funny - the UK cast brought themselves and their own comedy skill to each role, the US version , another money grab ripoff, flopped.
Weird to see daniel thrasher in this.
Heĺlo Jackie
I loved both Paul Ritters (Martin) character (shit on it!) and Mark Heaps (Jim)…Wiiiiiilson! 😂😂 Such a shame to lose Paul so early (RIP) 😢
I doubt Friday Night Dinner could ever work in the US. They have a larger Jewish comedy scene with an established style. Whereas there isn't one in the UK at least not well known. Friday Night Dinner is not based on it and is in quite stark contrast to Jewish comedy in the USA. Therefore, Friday Night Dinners comedy is so alien to what an American audience would expect or the writers would write which is probably why so little of the show was kept.
I was just thinking that too. There's a very established image of Jewishness in American comedy, with a lot of shared tropes and jokes across the media landscape, while in the UK it's still kind of based around individual Jewish experiences. So a show like Friday Night Dinner, which has comedy based on the kind of hyperspecific in-jokes a family has, would do better in the UK than the USA because the audience here isn't expecting a certain kind of writing.
Mark Heap is the GOAT in the UK version
Similar thing happened with Utopia
That’s Daniel thrasher 😂😂
I can't believe you completely missed out that Robert Popper is the talent behind the chart-topping 'Little Mouse'!
Hang on. Daniel Thrasher is in this?
it's so weird how the grandmother is so much younger as well. americans just have to make everyone better looking and with a stronger ego presence. i love that actress btw but she should have probably played the mother.
I'm sorry Daniel thrasher?
Uk Jim : hello all Jackie u look nice , US Jim : I’ve lost my pizza
have the US not learnt ANYTHING from all the past mistakes??
This seems to happen a lot with American remakes of great British comedy shows.
Example #14325 of Americans trying to remake British media, and failing horribly
Bloody hell. I didn't even know this was a thing
so sad what happened to the dad in Friday night dinner.
What happened
@SoggyWeetabix he got a brain tumour, and in the documentary, he looks really bad he got super fat it's so sad
@Barnaacle :/
Why do America kept trying to remake British tv shows 😂
1:13 one correction is for British comedy this is entirely normal, to have an original creator or creators who write every episode. Ony Fools and One Foot in the Grave for a single person ones specifically. For American comedy it is unheard-of to have the same writers write all the episodes, it's why they can have so many.
Not the case for soaps like Eastenders though
@EGRAVEN-ge4nj Not a comedy.
Yeah I was just about to comment this. I don't know if this has become less common, but that's certainly traditionally been the case. Even when there's been duos or teams such as Perry and Croft or the League of Gentlemen, they wrote every episode together rather than individually
@@EnchantedEssays it still is for comedy but as the person who replied to me said I was referring to soaps. I just thought it was a neat difference
Jim as the weirdo next door
is a goldmine of comedy
with a lot of potential.
Americanising the characters doesn't work because of cultural differences.
An American version of Jim has to be limited to
like you said "A bit of a dick."
a creepy, dangerous lunatic
or someone that desperately needs some help,
which is difficult to ring much mirth out of.
It's like how American nerds can be funny, likeable characters
but it's difficult to get that from British nerds,
which are often very lonely people with a kind of darkness about them.
Im convinced they dont even watch the original version. They just get a general idea what the show is about and then wing it
Not sure the shirt with his face on is a joke per se. The amount of yanks I’ve seen wearing shirts with their or their mate’s face on is immense
Sad to see this, I was never a fan of FND but seeing Daniel Thrasher in something that flopped, tis a shame because he's a good actor and funny comedian
Oh no! Daniel Thrasher is in this remake?! I really like his RUclips channel and think he can be really funny. But I guess that's when he's doing his own content, not this rubbish.
Why do the US always try and recreate out shit. Inbetweeners, Friday night dinner, Gavin and Stacey and ghosts
honestly🤦♀
Does the kitchen set look really familiar to anybody else? I'm sure I've seen it in a different show but can't quite put my finger on it
I won’t lie, as a longtime fan of Daniel Thrasher’s RUclips channel, I was hoping this show would surpass my expectations and actually be quite good. Sadly, it was exactly as good as I thought it’d be.
Hello - unspecific crew member on this show here! A bit shocked this came across my recommended as I thought no one knew it existed lol.
Small fact though - it was all shot in England, with entirely English crew. We all knew. That's all I'll say 😅
Thank you for the comment! I understood it was filmed in England and that makes sense as a lot of the side characters were english actors too.
Anything else you can share about the production? Obviously, I know you can't be too specific as to identify yourself, but anything vague would be cool to hear too!
Watching the American version is like a really bad fever dream 😂
Popper was let down by his agent here. His credit could and should have been alongside the title card had they negotiated better on his behalf. That said, Popper was probably glad it wasn't when it turned out to be a dud.
Well hey, I got round to watching friday night dinner after seeing this, and I really enjoyed it, so thanks for that!
It definitely helps that in the original, the actors who play the lads feel like they're mates and get along with each other. Rrally great chemistry with each other.
What's the fascination with American remakes of quintessentially British comedy shows? They're invariably rubbish.
I never knew this existed now I wish it didn't
Oh no Daniel thrasher was in the remake
Is that Daniel Thrasher
Forget the USA remake,Jim should of had a spin off show...love that man.😂 brilliant.
Americans trying to replicate this were doomed to fail.
No-one can do Jim like Mark Heap, as demonstrated here.
The only American who's weird enough to do something similar that I can think of is Emo Philips.
Why do they even do US remakes of shows like this? I've always wondered. I kinda get it when it's a foreign language show, since some people don't watch things with subtitled (for some reason), but a show where they're speaking the same language, in a country with an extremely similar culture, and that is easily accessible in the US what is the point?
Some americans cant understand british accents or dont find our humour funny. Its mostly just they'd rather watch americans in american shows than try and enjoy shows from other cultures, regardless of if they speak the same language.
Cuz Americans don't like appreciating people other than themselves. They'd rather watch a chappy remake of something that isn't American than actually watch the original.
Tbf the Nan character seems to be the funniest of the lot (not a high bar) from the clips you’ve shown
This was a shocker, enough said
I wondered how come there were so many Brits in it, and found that it was filmed in Berkshire!
America ruining a British show, suely not
I love being British 🙏🙏
Shalom Jackie
…and the others
I did think it's not the first I've heard of it, and thought I had seen a pilot
never knew daniel thrasher was an actor
I think we should petition Starmer to ban american remakes, have him do something good for once.
You deserve to go viral for this. Keep it up!
Thank you!
I disagree that Simon Bird's character in Friday Night Dinner is completely different than his role in The Inbetweeners. I think he's basically exactly the same lol
Sorry America, but us English have always been the best at comedy.
Americans just can’t do comedy - especially adaptations of British comedies…….. Shameless, the Office…………
Poor Daniel Thrasher, being the one beacon of hope in an otherwise horrific creation
Awful way to misuse one of the great youtubers of our time lmao
Oh no they got Friday Night Dinner too 😭
I really love this show, especially Arthur Meyer's episodes
2:20 holy shit is that Daniel Thrasher?
Like with most things the US touches, they've f*cked it up 😂
Another day, another terrible US remake.
Americans just don't have the same ability to read between the lines that brits do. It's just a fundimentally less sarcastic place than Britain, I think thats why these american adaptations never go well.
US versions of international shows are such good dumpster fires to watch.
Why don't they just buy the original series to show in the US. Remakes never seem to work
Otherwise, good essay. Subscribed
HOLD UP, Is that Daniel Thrasher ? I need to go watch this
It is
It seems like the remake imitated the surface level details of the original but missed the core point.
Could you elaborate on how the BBC was involved with Friday Night Dinner, which was produced for and shown on Channel Four?
BBC, ITV and Channel 4 are all intertwined in lots of ways. When you look at the production companies of a lot of shows, they are often each owned by or have stakes in companies that make things for other channels. They usually also band together when they license things out to foreign networks and productions.
@ sorry, I meant to leave that as a response to another commenter who was accusing the BBC of being antisemitic
@@cinewhirl
I genuinely didn't know that
and feel like it's kind of obvious after thinking about it
for a few minutes,
but I never would have twigged
if you hadn't said it.
It's like when watching an American film
that's associated with Film4.
That always throws me.
You don't get the claustrophobic tinder keg feeling of everyone forced together when you transfer the story from a British semi to an American mini-mansion. Kills it.
No. Don’t say that. Don’t say they made a us version 😢
Can't be any worse.
I suddenly like daniel thrasher a lot less
Whats this obsession with americans and ruining british shows?
8:04 pitzza
I feel that Friday Night Dinner fell off after the second series. It got too silly.
Mainly because of the character of Jim. He started off as a smaller side character.
He then went on to become the fan favourite which ended up transforming him from being mildly weird and annoying to absolutely bonkers and ridiculous.
It impacted the show in a negative way.
Ugh, it all looks so badly lit, almost more like it should be a comedy set in a morgue or something. And while I've only seen the clips you showed here, the family just doesn't feel like a family somehow.
(Also, I think you should re-release your polo video with a new thumbnail, it hasn't got the attention it deserved. Get Prince Harry's sad face on there for a start.)
Haha thanks, maybe I will experiment with a new thumbnail for it this weekend
Never wwtchee the orginal or this verison and yhis one looks so bad like one og thoes shity Christmas movies but im pretty sure the younger brother in yhe American one is like a tiktoker or something I definitely saw atlest 1 video of that guy
OMFG No way :(
Jesus tapdancing Christ 😂🤡
Stop trying to copy our comedy!
How about the British remake of the Swedish TV-series Real Humans?
The mr morrison episode was the first episode i saw and it hooked me so watched it all