Junk Rig Sailmaking - the Mizzen Sail
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- Sailmaking: It's basically some sticks, string and cloth. Don't get too wrapped up in the details. You can do this. There are lots of people willing to help. If they say, "This is a critical part of the boat, you need to get a professional" they are not helping, move on to the next person. Find the "Can Do" people like Betsy that will read all the books and sew for hours. Find the people like Kim and Robin that have done it before you and who will share their experiences. And find a group of friends like Kitty, Jonas, Craig and Andrew that share your passion for building things. Seeker Crew Are Awesome. --Doug
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I dont post much but havent missed an episode in over 2 years but want to say what a pleasure it is to see a man living his dream and working everyday conceiving it, achieving it...and little by little making it happen. I am so so glad you have the well paying job you do to accomplish this monumental project that most (not all) couldn't afford to complete. Many of my dreams have gone unfulfilled because of monetary constraints which is why I take great pleasure in seeing yours come together, even if I presently cant achieve mine...I can watch yours...it couldn't happen to a nicer man IMO. I love working with metal and recently got a Lathe and although my machining videos arent the most popular on my channel, I enjoy the Lathe projects I do more than anything else I post. My dream currently is to be a full time machinist and have a nice shop like the fellow helping you out, that is wonderful he is completing the bolts you need. God Bless all the volunteers who come to help you to achieve your dream. May you and the crew be safe in your travels and thank you for sharing this multi-year project. It has given me inspiration to do things in the shop that a year ago I thought I would never be able to do. A big thanks from me to you Doug :)
All The Best,
Richard
It is becoming just as much fun to watch the people building Seeker as it is to see her being built. Thanks for bringing back the old music, and the weekly fun
The "What did you make today?" t-shirt, I like. I don't make much, but quite frequently repair things, a/c, furnaces, garage door openers, cloth washers, etc.
Seeing the sail raised put a big smile on my face... I can't wait to see it raised on the boat and reflecting in the water.
I really liked how that young guy figured out his own way to restart a stick 👌
I think i pinpointed what i like about these videos so much. Its not about metalworking, sailing, or even boat building. Its that there is such of love for making things, and and optimism and positivity that you just dont see much of nowadays. The montage of projects at the end is great because, some are big, some are small, but each and every one of them took time, effort, and some amount of skill to do. They're all different but what they have in common is they were made by people who love what they do.
Well said. I think that's why I like it so much too.
keep it up, i just cant wait to see you sail by.
Doug, after watching you all these years, it was great to see that sail raise! Great work and keep it up!
wow, I can't believe it... I've been watching your vids for almost 10 years now and it's finally really coming together... *tears up* so proud! thank you so much for sharing this journey with us!
That sail is a thing of beauty Doug... Well done to all involved, a truly awesome job...!!!
This has to be the best on RUclips I rate it # 1, Thank you for all the time you put in to the video's and building a beautiful ship !
Wow awesome sail you wonderful people are magic ,i love your get it done ethic
Yet another excellent exciting video
i know it's been years i've been watching your videos now but it feels just like a few weeks to me ,I get all bit busy and distracted for all month or two
then it toss such a treat catching up ,the rate at which it's all coming together is truly wonderful
Awesome update Doug et al. Thanks for continuing to document the journey and thanks to everyone sending in pictures of your projects-awesome! I've been watching some bee keeping videos lately so the tardis hive was great. Cheers from PEI Canada, Bryan
I'll second what Bryan said, also it seems like a momentous occasion to see the sail raised for the first time. Cheers from Alberta Canada.
Cast Iron girl friends! I call it garage therapy. I get pissed off if i cant build something every few days. Doug and betsy are living the dream.
What an awesome test rig; it was quite a momentous and exciting moment to see that sail raised.
It took forever but I finally remember where I have seen Andrew Quitmeyer before!! I love his shows, right now doing the show Hacking the Wild! Awesome you got to meet him!!
And Craig was a producer on that show. They were both here working on the boat last year too, when they built the gangway.
ruclips.net/user/edit?o=U&video_id=oFDk9TOfUJY
Aye Matee!
Man the ropes
Hard a larbord!
Sheets and tares!!!
Man the capstans!!!
Weigh anchor!
Shorten 'n sail
Come back on those halyards!
Helmsman, keep a close hauled on the starboard tack!
Shivver me timbers!!!
Helm alee!
What ehr ya? Skylarkers on me mizzen deck? Tiz the rod fer ya eh? Or will it be a keel haulin' yer's afta?
Lively Now! Hop to it! Before cap'n. Dougie swings ya from the yard!!!
Now, draw and cut a Dragon Stencil with your cnc setup. Then Spray a white dragon on the sail so it looks like your logos. (A small American flag at the top would also be appropriate)....Bo.
I love what you guys do and show off so many creations at the end!
So nice to come here for a visit.
One of the best videos so far Doug. Really love What did you make. I look forward to seeing them.
You might want to think about using nylon all thread for your deck holes. That is what we used on our support ship for the DSRV (Deep Submergence Rescue Vehicle) when I was in the Navy. there is nothing worst than trying to get out a frozen deck plug. Another suggestion is to invest in a lot of anti size compound.
Shifting gears have you thought about using a dielectric oil on the ROV electronics compartments to keep them from flooding. this was used both on our ROV,s and DSRV.
I was commenting something similar above, but like your solution better... you can buy them cheap and burn or drill them out easier than steel plugs/placeholders
Doug-before I forget AGAIN, I wanted to mention that those stainless tie-straps are great, but if there is any sort of vibration, they WILL eat away at any softer material that they are touching. they will literally shave that PVC away a layer at a time. I could not tell if they are actually touching the sail fabric.
What a day I found you on RUclips and been on it all day :-) Happy Days
"I didn't screw-up the grommets that bad Doug" lol
Great upload ty
super! nice to see the sails coming along
Love the "WORK BOOTS/sandals" Doug...!!! Lol...
Wow to the whole project, but the "yard mast" is really COOL!! Makes the water, just that much closer!!!
Thanks for posting the picture of my lathe and bowl!
Holy Shit, That Warner Swazey Lathe brings back serious memories.. That was one of the first machines I ran as a kid, back in the 70's.. That was a Solid Work Horse.. Amazing !
Wow ! *I WOULD LOVE TO LIVE IN A SHOP LIKE THAT* !! I only have a one car garage, no cars allowed, or fit..
Time to build a shed out back. While those lathes are being replaced by CNC they sell cheap.
You're right, some of those old machines you can get free now a days.. Cuz, the Riggers to move them cost more than the Machine..
Looks great. Really substantial seeing the sail hanging. Damn it looks hot there. We managed to get up to 60 here in Seatown. It was a Regular heatwave.
I liked the closing "what did you make today" segment
that mast went up pretty quickly and what a great shop that guy has, I'm buying myself a mig welder at the end of this month and I'm going to teach myself to weld with the help of RUclips and a couple of forums, this channel has been really inspiring to me, and hopefully I will become a welder/grinder god. in about twenty years time.
Bravo
Steven Hardy thanks bro, I will go take a look
I had a thought about the issue with the sail size and weight making it hard to sew. Instead of moving the sail, move the sewing machine. You could make a set of tracks/rails and put wheels on the sewing machine. Since there are very few curved seams this should work ideal for the long straight seams. The machine is lighter than the sail and much less unruly. The walking foot on a sailrite is probably strong enough to pull the machine along if the friction is low enough on the rails. It is less work for the feet to move the machine than to move the fabric in this case. Think of a camera dolly.
Sail, tarp, and tent makers use both this technique as well as motorized puller attachments that pull the fabric through the machine in a controlled manner. In this situation, a puller would not be as effective because of the shape of the sails and the fact that the machine is portable and not table mounted. A puller hanging off the back would tip it over. With tracks they would only have 2 rails to stash on the boat and 4 wheels on the existing machine case. Could hang the track from the roof of the engine room and stow gear on it....... Very buildable with the materials at hand. The track should be made to work with the 2x2 grid so they can set it up on the deck of the boat and make repairs while underway.
awesome...you showed my plane I built for the last picture...thankyou
Nice work
SV Seeker thankyou...im still watching the video right now...nice work to you...
WELL DONE....It holds true even in Tulsa!
"Beyond All Things Is The Sea"
Seneca
Thanks for the update Doug
You should get the Canopy/Garage from Home depot or Harborfreight. If you get with the side package you can use the side as a tent extension giving you an extra 6 ft canopy on both sides.You have a choice of 10x20, 10x24, 12x24. 12x28
That guy has a nice shop setup.
awe hell yeah just what i needed for my study break
Are those special plastic zip ties? I have used plastic zip ties on a DIY lateen sail and they rotted in the sun after 2 years. I love the photos of the peoples creations at the end. Thumbs up like always!
I found the black ones last the best , white and coloured oneones get brittle and snap from the wind,i used to use elastic rope as a secondary back up
When I had my electrical contracting business, my giveaway pens said "Stolen from Central Mountain Electric because Charlie wouldn't give me one". They were a favorite with counter guys because other electricians would take them.
It'll be interesting to see how the mast fairs during thunderstorms you may have just erected a lightning rod in our yard!
I wonder if bamboo could be used in place of the horizontal aluminum tubes on the sail. The more i learn about bamboo the more it amazes me.
I would suggest carbon fiber. It's readily available in tubes
bamboo is the traditional material ... it works very well.
I agree, bamboo would have more flex then those aluminium pipes. I think that would be beneficial for the performance of the sails.
Sails need a curvature in them so they get the profile of a vertical wing as soon as the wind fills them.
Doug, Good looking sail there! Maybe a touch of oil on the pulley at the top of the mast would be helpful.
Regards,
Eric
If it is as hot there as it is here in Texas I would be in the shop working also.
Suggestion, Possibly frivolous, but what about a temporary shaded platform on the top of the pilot house for a lookout come sunset bar and diving platform?
Love the "What did you build today pictures".
Doug, most parrels have rollers on them to make it easier for them to slide up the mast and prevent wear... you could slice rollers from nylon or hdpe tube?
Chugging right along!
It looks like you're going below flush with deck on those slotted ss threaded placeholders Doug, since they go thru the deck maybe a threaded eyelet or plug on the bottom side of hex nuts ? Many years ago I did something similar for a test stand ( rockets ) and we used grease and hex plugs to keep threads from rusting, problem was that moisture and rust infiltrated from the bottom side anyway where thread was exposed. Another solution is to fill the bottom of plug with wax to limit infiltration...
You might want to make sure the zip tie is cut off smoothly by using a toe nail clipper. It will cut it off smooth enough to not chafe the sail as a normal cut would.
Also, to make a device to press your grommets, use an air cylinder and it would be better than the bolt / nut idea.
That's gonna make a lot of racket up the mast when the sails flog with all of the metal on metal. Any plans on wrapping cordage around the spar where it will contact the mast?
yes
Those look like #5 grommetts -- if so harbour freight has a nylon hammer that works great. I just installed about 120 nickel grommets in my 18oz tarps with seatbelt webbing where the grommets are. Steel or brass hammers don't work worth a crap. I think the impulse is too short upon the strike. The nylon hammer impact force is distributed over a longer period of time and seems to compress the grommetts better.
interesting, i was thinking during the video, "why are they using a dead blow instead of a steel hammer?" never would have thought of it like that
Just an idea but what about adapting a air chisel to set the stainless grommets?
would carbon fiber battens be an option? if not, why? cost, strength, ease of working with...
great series, i've been watching for as long as i can remember!
Russ from Coral Springs, FL, USA
Sure. Lots of things work.
Did you use a metal tube for a mast ? If so did you have any difficulties with it ? The reason I ask I once saw a top mast for a Thames barge made out of one and it bent in half as soon as any pressure was put on it .
beautiful!
my brother good job👍
If you build another of those grommet crimpers maybe try fine threaded bolts. The threads should be a bit stronger. Also make sure you use hardened bolts Gr8 for SAE or 10.8/10.9 for Metric. Just my 2¢
man wish i wasent so far in massachusetts love to come help out
haha I think "Booth sized" is a unit of measurement that Adam would endorse
Yea, for setting grommets, I feared the constant threading under load would wear out those studs pretty quick.
I still strongly recommend a Greenlee knockout hole punch. (shouldn't be hard to find one used at a reasonable cost)
Have a quick look at how it works: ruclips.net/video/wRmDIh9_TvU/видео.htmlm28s
The aluminum tubes will not give enough flex for the sail shape needed to drive the boat forward,and will take a permanent set around the mast- or maybe kink. Suggest a flexible material like fiberglass or wood or both laminated together.
You can do your own research on aerodynamics. C A Marchaj wrote the most definitive books on the subject. Also if you haven't done so, check out youtube channel "Sailing Ming Ming". He converted his sloop into a junk rig, did the sailmaking and fit out for high latitude single handed sailing.
the roof of the pilot house is perfect for solar pannels, art florida
Hey, Sailrite has the new screw down grommet setter in their current catalog with only a little info. However it says only up to #2 spur grommets... It has an acme screw very much like a large C clamp.... Idea ? Osborne makes it.
Regarding your sail.. make sure you don't put a sharp edge against that fabric. I'd turn the PVC pipe around so the pipe radius is against the fabric, not an edge.
Why can't you use batten pockets like every sloop I have ever seen? I know the junk sail battens are large but still? Keep it up... you are making progress! :-)
It's habit now, click play, click like.
You inspire me
Use the stainless zip ties. The other will deteriorate from the sun.
On your rivet setter, use Grade 8 bolts and Grade 5 nuts.
A curiosity friends, I realized that several different people help. Are they volunteers?
All volunteer www.svseeker.com/wp/sv-seeker-2/about-us/map2/
put some teflon roler on your rope that is rubbing again the pole , it gona help getting up and down the pole
Will those pipes on the sail clang on the mast while sailing?
They get wrapped later.
Question: Why not use bamboo for the pipes in the sail? would be lighter, and not damage sail when they come down.
The proper bamboo is not available for a reasonable price in Oklahoma and from the pieces I tested I have not been impressed with the way it ages, splits, and mildews.
Doug, did they make you switch back to stick?
I roll the tails of those stainless ties with a pair of needle nose pliers, keeps them from backing off
you really should use glass fiber reinforced nylon for the sails instead of ABS. ABS is so brittle.
I'm curious as I could possibly be, so I must ask..... is it possible to "heave to" with a junk rig? (I learned to heave to with two sails set at opposite angles )
I think so. We'll find out.
@@SVSeeker Thanks for taking time to respond! I'll be very anxious to hear what you find. I keep trying to figure out how to do it, but I can't see it in my head.....
Why no hydraulic grommet setting tool? seems like the ideal tool for the job.
Pneumatic, and I broke it. ...upgrading to stronger bolts. :)
Surely the Harbor-Fright will sell you a 5 dollar hydraulic jack you can rig up into a grommet press. Seems like the ideal tool for the job, and much quieter!
Cheers from Holland by way of Baltimore by way of God knows where else!
Any reason you where using the stick welder other than convenience in the backyard and practice before that?
We use stick when we have to work on something a long way from the shop or boat. Moving one 40 pound inverter and a 220v cord is all we have to do. No gas hoses, or wire feeders.
That's what I figured. It's a pain just to move a mig welder around a decent sized shop.
hey Doug I want to convert my Gemini catamaran to a junk rig. I have found tons of info on sails, but nothing on , how to refit a unstayed mast. I tried to talk to Gemini , but they politely told be to fuck off. any pointers ?
have you considered using bamboo instead of the steel rounds for sails?
or fibreglass?
Yes. The right kind is not grown in Oklahoma. :)
Yes. Prefer welding over gluing.
the weight aloft and the noise when the pipes hit each other will be deafening. www.bete-fleming.com/rigging.htm#battens
Make the mast a screw drive and raise the sail with ball bearings screw assemblies on the battons.
What would a boat like that cost that was finished?
a few videos ago - he made a video of someone who has a similar boat for sale
Those lathes probably made war materials during WWII...Actually really affordable...Keith Rucker (Vintage Machinery) is up to I think three in total now...he was stating
Yes. That one was built in 1943. Mike paid $1 for it.
How I WISH! Keith was telling me that they are in the $1500~$2500 down in the Georgia area...around me..in the Detroit area? $10K and you need $10K more in parts. Craigslist ads around me show non-functioning delta drill preses from the 50's for $850! I don't get it...same ads show up for months and months without buyers. Tempted to change my search location for Georgia...or even Ohio because even they seem to get better pricing on these things!
Live the dream...I am
yeah, I hate grinder boogies. I've started using Lenox metal max cut off wheels, no aluminum oxide to breathe in
Aaaaaand... watching (actually, listening to) you guys raising that sail is all the convincing I need that the battens on my junk-rigged yacht will *NOT* be made of aluminium!
Thanks!
There is not yet any anti chafe material. : )
@@SVSeeker - fair point.. but I reckon that even with anti-chafe in place, the noise made by those hollow metal battens banging against the hollow metal masts will drive you crazy!
@JAFO I can thing of multiple solutions but I think you'd just find another reason why you are right. : )
where is the little kid that was at the beginning of the build?
My bet is someone or your self will have a cam press for installing the grommet. Better yet, maybe a hydraulic one.
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Wow
I could not agree more with you lead in script.
Best time ever. 5
Magnetic boogers thats a nice gag idea
love boat or fantasy island
You there reading this comment! Have a nice day!
Thank you kind stranger, may you have a nice day too.
Gonun just reading this made me smile. You two have succeeded:)
Keep sending those positive vibes. :)
Gonun thanks, you too
Well just in the name of not having to lift such a heavy package.. what do you think about to use carbon fiber pipe in stead of those metal pipes for the junk sail! I mean. for me the heavy lifting is truly a burden....
You're going to have to buy a lot of mugs for me to afford that.
Well... you and me we have to use the same type of shoes many times and when we can't afford to pay for something we make it... what about making your own carbon tubes.. I did my own a few months back and it wasn't that expensive.. "I used galvanized pipe covered with news print...and cover it with saran wrap... then when the resin cured.. just dip the pipes in water the newspaper softened and I pulled out my carbon fiber pipes out of the ""MOLD""
Just a thought!! I do feel a great deal of good envy for you.. chasing your dream!!
🥰👍🙏👍
What is the sail material please?
Top Gun
Fastest 24 minutes in my life
I think you might wan't to stitch the grommets in.
Let's just see before we spend that 500 hours of work. :)
I'm with you on that. I didn't watch the entire video, is this a test your running on the rig ? Think you have it complete this fall ?
I like steel, and thus steel boats.
Steel is so much easier to work with that fiberglass, and steel is equally strong in any direction - that isn't true for fiberglass.