Why do Logger Boots Have High Heels?
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Working outside on rough terrain can be tough on your feet, which is why logger boots have heels that provide additional support, especially on uneven ground. The heel helps maintain grip, improves your posture, and stops your boot from sinking into the mud.
It’s no surprise that logger boots are the go-to footwear for people working outdoors; if you need your boots to be strong, supportive, and versatile, logger boots are the perfect option. This style of boot has been a favorite of loggers for over a century, and with good reason.
When riding a cantankerous horse in treacherous work, what you DO NOT WANT is your foot to go through the stirrup. Many a dead cowboy has been found hanging by one leg from a stirrup, drug and stomped to death unable to get himself out of the situation. A heel helps keep that from happening. It's not the only reason but it's a huge one.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. You never want your foot "locked" to the stirrup.
I came to say the same thing.
Some of the refineries I've worked in require a heel for gripping their ladder rungs too. But then go look at any framer or roofer standing on a ladder and he will have a wedge or Chuck Taylors on. 🤷♂️
@@misterbulgerroofers have flat shoes as to reduce the potential of the shoe digging into the shingles. In the sun they become hot and because they’re made of asphalt they become very soft and easily become damaged if you’re wearing shoes that are too aggressive. The only exception really being metal roofing.
I gotta say though, while the heel helps with accidentally slipping forward and locking your foot in, you don't want to ride with the arch of your foot. You can get equally stuck if you do that. You want to ride with the ball of your foot.
Logger boots are actually terrible for concrete floors. Loggers are meant for soft terrain like dirt. Boots with foam or some kind of soft cushioning and a more modest heel height are best for concrete floors.
Tell that to the 80 percent of mechanics at my semi truck shop that wear em everyday at work 😂
I agree. but also people will wear what they want.
This. This dude has no idea what hes talking about.
@@luke8222Mechanics don’t walk much or walk quickly on concrete. Construction workers are constantly running around on concrete in commercial buildings and we all agree wedge soles are where it’s at.
I wear wedge sole boot for flat surface work. I was talked into buying Whites Smokejumpers when I was an apprentice. They fit perfectly and worked great for outside work. Inside work, unless you have bad feet, get a light flat sole boot. More than likely, you cannot resole them but, they break in fast and are light. Resole high dollar boosts vs purchase new light boots is negligible compared to break in time vs cost.
Forest Service guy here. I highly highly do not recommend wearing high heel boots on regularly hard flat areas. The raised heel will mess with your back over time.
That being said, these company’s do make flat sole boots with the same high quality leather.
You walking on a lot of concrete in the forest?
@@Atreid3shard and flat doesn't just mean concrete. Hard packed gravel, packed down dirt, even wooden decks
you are correct. heels offer little shock absorption and are terrible for your joints and spine (both M and W) because they concentrate your weight, and therefore stress, in a smaller area. but he is trying to sell boots of course.
@Atreid3s there's a surprising amount of concrete in forests lol. I've happened upon a old town situation where it was mostly rubble and foundations left behind. I'm assuming there's also an inside portion of the job where you report info and have meetings. I've been a park ranger before and a lot of my job was indoors. The worst part about that is that hiking boots were part of the uniform and I loath wearing hiking boots inside. They're made for movement on uneven ground, not standing still on smooth inside floors
Could not agree with you more.
I got zero lift boots and foot aches , cramps went away.
I was a lineman for the phone company, and we used boots with heels for working on ladders or climbing gaffs. Same as the stirrups, they lock right in securely.
Came to say the same
Same. Not in that industry anymore, but it was required that your heel was a minimum of 6in.
@spammanchan4622 😂
100% can confirm. Working on a ladder witih heelless, soft-soled shoes is both uncomfortable and dangerous.
Hell no working on concrete all day with those high heels? Your crazy i had a pair of Nicks loggers got a job being a pipe fitter. Standing all day and walking around in high heel boots is the worst. Now when I was a Flying Lineman they worked great. Every worker on the site asked how I could be in those things. Flat sole/crep is the way to go
Thursday 'logger' boots are not logger boots. That heel is a Cuban stacked heel, not a logger stack.
Also, any leather stacked heel is a terrible choice for concrete work.
Miseducation is not good content, do your research.
@Retrakk The here we deserved
If you’re going to regurgitate info on a topic you googled, at least get it right…
The slant on the back of the heel has nothing to do with locking into stirrups… it’s the high arch and the front surface of the heel.
Also, the tall heel does not absorb shock, the arch of the foot does. Having a large arch support keeps the arch of the foot from bottoming out and causing foot pain.
And foam wedges are best for working on concrete all day…
***Former ATSSA Instructor and Emergency Response TC. Current (3x) internationally certified arborist working in forestry and timber.
Wrong. They are so your climbing gaffs fit
Know it all
@@TheStuckNorris Go back and read what I wrote again…. I clearly stated it’s the high arch and front surface of the heel. The guy in the video was referring to the slant on the back of the heel being for stirrups…
Btw, I am an internationally certified arborist with a logging background.👍🏻
Lmao ok so this guy and everyone else that has anything to do with shoes is wrong
@@daytonearle9120 oh man you’re right, everything on the internet is true!
It helps with walking down hill too because the front of the heel gets caught in the dirt
Traction isn't really the point.. It's better for walking up hill because it simulates being on flat ground even though you're on an incline. Think of the heel as a little ladder for the back of your foot. When you're going down hill, it actually makes it twice as BAD; putting your foot on even more of an incline. Now if it's soft dirt or sand, your heel will sink in and you won't really notice. But if you're walking down steep concrete-- that heel just makes you stand on your toes even MORE like a ballerina.. It's not great. But if you're on a logger hill and staring up hill all day and rigging cables and watching up hill at the winch truck operating and pulling logs uphill, etc. Then that heel really helps you a lot and makes your foot and the inside of the boot actually feel level-- like you're standing on flat ground. The reason logger boots are SO TALL in the heel, is because they work on really steep hills.. So the taller the better in that case.
100% dude! Dig your heels in and run down those hills. They are like little anchors.
~wildland firefighter
I bought some $280 hunting boots that had a unified sole. I wore them around before hunting season and they feel awesome. I live in Idaho and our mountains are steep. I found I was sliding around and struggling walking down hill with a pack. Without a heel the soft hill side were like ski jumps and I took a few tumbles. I will save my new boots for mall crawling and switched back to my old boots until find the money to buy another pair of boots. I am better educated. Also most soles now are designed not to track mud as opposed to having traction.
Logger boots will have your ankles and knees blown out instantly on concrete.
100% anyone who works on concrete all day should be wearing a wedge sole.
Especially with the caulks.
@@ADTheAwesome i wear loggers on concrete pretty often, honey vibrams are the key.
no they don't i wear nicks all day every day no problem,
You forgot about the main reason. Tall heel loggers make is so your gaffs don’t touch the ground when you aren’t on the tree/pole.
It’s nice to be able to take a few steps away from the pole/tree without wearing down or damaging the actual spike on the gaff. Less maintenance required.
They’re meant for tree work so you can hook climbing spurs to them and climb up a tree, they aren’t really meant to be worn outside of that.
Yup I have a pair of loggers for climbing poles, when I'm working out of the bucket I have a different pair
True but also used for traction on the mounting logging plots. I use mine when I'm climbing or not. Walk up a mountain in sloppy mud without.
@@kingsford6540same here… got a pole climbing pair and a bucket pair
I wear wedge soul boots, I'm constantly working from concrete floors and steel mesh catwalks. Really helps my feet and back.
the heel also helps for wearing climbing spurs for topping or rigging
I buy White's boots it's like walking on air and you can tear any terrain up with them
It's so the spikes will stay on the our feet the heel holds the bar from sliding off when you spike in it might help with walking on slopes but you really think that's the only reason you should do some more research before you make a video
The heels also helps with stability walking over branches and logs that may want to roll.
Logger boots have a heel for 3 reasons and 3 reasons only. He mentioned the first for the uphill. Next is the gear we use has to have a lock end this would be the heel keeping our gaffs in place. Lastly even groundsman must wear them at most logging companies for safety, on the downhill or log walking the heel will catch limbs and debris slowing or stopping your descent. Nothing to do with horses in the least.
I wear logger boots. I have a connective tissue disorder and my ankles aren't steady. I wore a couple pairs of Ariat traditional paddock boots, which were tight enough to splint the ankles. I then got the tip that logger boots are *self correcting* for the most common ways weak ankles collapse, and tight enough to help general stability. I bought a pair and have barely worn other shoes in the year since!
Yo! Check out the Timberland's with logger heels. They are popular with folks with hypermobility (hypo-stability).
I cut down trees, I wear high heels, suspendies and a bra
As a real man should
The heel of a riding boot is not meant to lock into the sturups. You instead rest on the ball of the foot, so the heel can act as a stop. This reduces the chances of you from getting your foot caughtand being dragged to death
I'd like to see your take on the build of newrock boots because though they are rather shock and awe they have been very durable in my experience
you can walk straight down the side of steep ass hills with those, they dig in like a mountain goat.
The arched heel and exaggerated stitching rim that holds the leather upper to the sole are used for holding climbing spurs, and they also work well for holding ice cleats.
Research research research . Guessing is sad.
The main and only reason that raised top lip exists today is mostly because of how they are made. Simply put, the machines they use to sew and cut the soles today leaves that portion of it there.
Watch how this style of boot is made. You will then realize yeah it can be sanded down. It's only an homage of the boots from the past really. In addition to the way it looks. You can easily get it shaped how u like nowadays.
These types of boots, when used, The top of the lip will fold down and be one of the first areas of issue in a boot like this today. It's kind of annoying that they still do this.
What top lip you mean the tougue? Or you on about the sole
@Elroy Fish Thank you.
Way to lift people up.
It's people like you that I thank god, the 2nd amendment exists.
@@elroyfish4295 lol, that was actually hilarious 😂
I have worked as a choker setter and timber faller, I've always hated the tall heal. The truth is that is you give men a chance to be two inches taller.... they take it.
Good for tall motorcycles too
the 2 in heart attack for us iron workers lol
Logger boots on concrete are the worst ahahaha
they offer different soles
not with the right soles
"DUFF LAYER" in the woods-those heels are perfect for walking in that -u sink. I wore Whites (so comfortable) for years in the Forest Service
So, context from a history guy, the packer boot as heels go specifically had a high stacked heel. The Wellington was popular from the early to mid 1800s (and also in the trenches of WW1) was a modified hessian boot, both of which had low heels which were designed for horse riding originally! Heels go back even farther than that (how much farther I would have to look but they likely rise around the time of saddled horses) but the packers higher heel was important for farmers and pioneers. I love short form content but the struggle of having the full information takes time and when the origins of heels on boots is not the focus it isn’t going to be deep information on it. All of this information I am sure the creator knows I just want to provide the context for people as well!
It's also required for operating heavy equipment so you don't slip out of ladder rungs
The swept forward heel is purely for riding. Softer contact with stomach of horse…which on hard pull back kick can break skin if sharp.
Is this a parody or serious. Loggers with heel are also for gaffing trees and poles.
Its for ✨FASHION!!!!!✨ they're strutting through the woods on their choppy choppy sawey sawey catwalk gurls
Thank you!
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It's to put your climbing spurs on for tree cutting.
They are only good for when i wear tree spurs i switch when im on the ground
What brand of logger boots were in this video?
Those boots are so bad for your knees, but I’ll give the quality to SOME companies credit for their work and how nice they turn out even months after wear and tear.
What does anti collision toe mean in boots please?
Seems like the comments agree… this guy has never worn work boots. Not in the woods, not in a shop. 🤷🏼♂️
Old boots usually had high heels, even balmorals had high heels 😅
And for those.of us who are 5' 10'' we can claim six feet tall while wearing😃
High healed footware, are terrible for foot anatomy.
They are heavy as hell and feel like walking on blocks!
Rocker soles with blue spring steel is best for concrete.
Have fun going downhill though lmao
Heel is horrible for concrete some other boot dudes say
I wear Ariat powerline boots, love their fit and comfort for a long day.
This has the vibe of someone obsessed with high heels. 🤨 Such a strange thing to consider obsessing over. I work outdoors every day, and gotta tell you…..never think about boots. Don’t even wear them most days. It’s gotta be really cold or muddy to need them, and mine are hiking boots so that they’re light and insanely comfortable. Also, not wearing a corpse that I also have to baby like the living creature it sloughed off of. 🤷🏼♀️ Idk, I guess everyone needs a hobby. Making the boots would be a funner one, imo.
Logger boots are therefore good on concrete floors. Umm ok. I have heard the uphill thing before and I quite frankly do not buy it. It would make them 2x worse on a down hill unless you are traversing ass first. And after a couple years that leather heel stack is packed and there ain't no damn cushion. And the arched heel stack.. I don't know but I think it's just a style and it could equally well be straight. I'd even argue the high heel is partially for saving backs since it technically puts less strain on the hamstring so it allows you to more comfortably squat and bend down. No offence
Spin, spin, spin how about they are made that way,?
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it has more to do with giving your lower back the correct arch it needs and relieving pressure on the lower lumbar discs
Who cares?
because heels where originally designed for men, all the fem stuff all just masc 2nd hand shit even skirts
Yeah, I get that back in the day, they used to ride with the arch of their foot, but just so everyone is clear YOU DO NOT WANT TO DO THAT! YOU WILL GET YOUR FOOT CAUGHT AND COULD BREAK YOUR LEG OR ANKLE IF YOU FALL OFF! Instead, you ride on the ball of your foot.
Favorite boot of the lifted 4x4 "manly man" crowd. Oh, and those cute, fringed flaps over the laces... 😅
Real work boots don't cause back issues.
It's not 1886 anymore. Get you some TEVA soles and a minimal heel, or wedge soles.
Wrong.. they're a terrible option for walking on concrete.. extremely uncomfortable and basically unnecessary nowadays.. but they look awesome yes
Because it fits in the stirrups of their 🦄's better. But more importantly, because it makes lumber jack ass look sexy while cuttin lines way up in the broke back mountains,silly!
Fun fact: The 🚬 🏴☠️ boot, is thought to be the first to "come out" with this style heel. Not only did they love the way it made their booties look delicious,butt it was very practical and enabled a 🚬🏴☠️ to really dig his heels into the sand for good sound footing while sword 🗡 swallowing. Additionally, it made it alot less likely they'd have an oopsie while in the middle of backin that thang all up on some super handsome swashbuckler. In fact, it cut slip,trips and fall accidents during poop deck parties by 80% within the first year they were on the market! It was not uncommon for a 🚬🏴☠️ to hook a heel behind each ear freeing both their hands up to dispatch multiple sailors at the same time in the event they were out numbered.
My guy, leather isn’t shock absorbent 😂😂 DO NO BUY THESE FOR WORKING ALL FAY ON CONCRETE
Texas rancher here.
I have 50 heads of cattle and wrangle horses , I am what is known as a cowboy. Real cowboy. Heels are pointless
Heels on a boot is stupid... don't argue. There's no logic or advantage in functionality. ONLY reason heels are so popular is the same dumb reason women use high heels, sex appeal by looking taller... thats it. That's only it.
Heels are not good for you. Shock absorption? The human body is pretty darn good at that. Yep, I had tons of foot problems in the army, and for years working on concrete floors after the army. Docs were giving me steroid injections in my feet and having me wear orthotic insoles. Nothing helped.
It all went away when I started wearing flat, foot shaped, flexible shoes with minimal cushioning. They allowed my feet to move and function how they're supposed to. It took a week or two for my feet to get used to them and build up the proper muscles. After that soooo many physical problems went away.
I wear Altra brand shoes for work and running, and Xero brand shoes for lifting at the gym.
When I have to wear boots, I still wear my old army boots. For shoveling snow and stuff. But they still suck and I take them off asap. I'm just too cheap to buy a good foot shaped flexible boot since I have to pay out the butt for the shoes already.
Loggers were by far the worst boot I've ever laced up. Absolutely the most uncomfortable, unstable boots I've ever owned. Happily went back to my wedges, now that's comfort for those 12+ hour days. Shove those nightmares where the sun does shine
Why can't you guys speak in complete sentences without all the herky-jerky cutting of the video? Thumbs down for that. Good information, but annoying.
That is a standard work boot. The "Logger boot " is called a Caulk boot. Small spikes on the sole of the boot increases grip while walking on log's. The term "Corkboot" is the term for the boot. Do some more research before making a fool out of yourself. Former Logger here .
the heel on logging boots is specifically for climbing spike stirrups . This is wack ; I've not seen a blatantly incorrect conviction for detailing offered before. The spikes those support are about 21" long & attach to that type of heel specifically; I promise you those do nothing to cushion the heel for impact.
Buy a wedge sole boot if you work on concrete. Don't bother with a logger boot. Nothing against logger style boots, but saying a logger boot's heel helps with shock absorption on concrete is misleading. It's like saying a bicycle is fast so it's a great option for a Formula 1 race. Just because a bike is great compared to walking or works well on uneven terrain, doesn't mean those same properties are beneficial when thrown into an environment bikes weren't designed for (like against racecars). A wedge sole boot works way better for concrete floors. slip resistant, more stability than a logger boot, better for your back, etc. Use the right tool for the job and the right boot for the jobsite.
Negative ghost rider, if you wear these on concrete all day two things will happen 1- your calf muscle will not extend cause g a short muscle growth. 2- you’re goin to have back problems because you’re always leaning forward on a flat surface. And this isn’t an opinion I did this for years and it took a long time to get back to a normal stance
There is so much bad info in this short it's crazy! Boots DO NOT have a sloped heel to "lock into stirrups" for riding horses... that's the last thing you want.. good way to get killed.
Heeled boots aren’t that great on concrete. They put a lot of the pressure on your forefoot when walking on finished concrete. I know this from using a redwing supersole 2.0 which starts to hurt my forefoot after only like 8 hours. On the other hand a wedge sole boot I have only starts to feel uncomfortable after 14.
Thank You. Ikb3rd. This guy missed a very BIG feature in the big heel in logger boots and that’s for the gaff bar to seat and not move. If you’re gonna post content dig a lil deeper and don’t miss the important details.
In modern times, it's a destructive holdover. Narrow toe boxes hurt toes, in time. Walking on a 1" slant down for years places stress on back and knees. Wear loose flat soles, with wide toe space. Barefoot shoes even better. Years of pain dissapears in a few weeks.
PSA: dont stick your feet all the way into stirrups!
Not only does it increase the chance youll get hung up if you fall off the horse,
Its just generally less comfortable than sitting the balls of your feet in which provides more shock absorption
So that last part is a lie… Logger boots will absolutely fuck up your ankles and knees on concrete I wore them for two months in a mill (after having worn loggers for years) and almost immediately switched to wedge soles because of the pain and haven’t looked back since
They may provide shock absorption on hard floors, but they will KILL your back and make your calves feel tired. Soft flat soled boots is what you need for concrete floors.
Love using my packer or loggers boots, comfortable, look good and presentable, locks into ladders, many times I almost sprained my ankle but these boots are just sturdy, and more.
The heels don't lock into stirrups. If you are locking heels in stirrups, you are asking for trouble. Stirrups are worn at the ball joint, never at the heel
Sure Bud, they’re Great for concrete👍.
Yes I would like to buy some stock in Red Wing Boots, please.
I want logger boots. What kind should I get? I cannot afford an expensive pair, I can't afford them at all to be honest. So, I need to figure out like the cheapest ones they sell, that are not of a poor quality.
Bull crap, if it's your first day every boot is going to tear up your feet even if you soak them... Walking up mountains is like a ancient Chinese torture, add fire and cutting line its no bueno, hated it...
Wildland Firefighter here to say getting rid of the logger style boot for a Scarpa style mountaineer boot was the best thing that has happened to the feet of my fellow firefighters. Almost everyone is making the switch except for the old timers who spent the last 20 years breaking in their loggers. Loggers are not great for hiking up to the fire. At all.
The Northwest boot makers are offering softer sole material with lower heel height for working on hard surfaces. Heels when matched properly can shift your foot weight from your heel to the middle of the foot arch. You may have noticed with flat soled shoes and boots that you get heel pain after a long day on concrete and you keep trying to find insoles to cushion your feet which doesn't really work. You need more heel height to shift the weight forward. Too much heel and you lose foot roll and get a clunky hard walking boot that puts pressure on the front on your foot.
I wear loggers on brick/concrete floors for 40 hours a week+, never bothered my back, personally I need insoles on any boot I wear so that obviously helps, to each there own, some people like loggers, some people like hiking boots, some people like the traditional mock toe iron worker boots
As a young horny teenager I figured out long ago that cowboy cut or under cut heels allow you to take your pants off and put them back on without removing your shoes; something Cowboys probably also appreciated went out on the range. If you got your clothes wet you could take your pants off hang them up to dry but leave your shoes on. And of course the pointy toes slide easily into stirrups when you’re mounted on a horse
I live in the Rockies and have destroyed my last pair of $250 boots in a years use. I know I gotta go way up in price for a solid boot I spend days in on steep terrain. What should I be looking for?
Wrong. Parker style boots are NOT for riding. You do not want to lock your heels in the stirrups. Cowboys call that style a walking boot. A riding boot has a straight heel.
No it dosnt your 100% wrong these boots suck on cement this is coming from 23 year carpenter you look like you work at Levi jeans lmao😂
Wow.. you are almost not fully downs... But you are wrong by mmm 3000 years on the stile and just r tarded on the reson, but thecarch in your back lets us know how you got your ideas
Reading these comments reminds me of what I love about Americans.. every one of you are experts on things that mean absolutely nothing.
He’s wrong. Logger boots have such a high heal to accentuate logger’s legs, thighs, and buttocks, and because we all like to feel fancy every once in a while and loggers are no different.
Obviously doesn't know anything about riding horses and using stirrups.
No caulks, no real logger boots... And they are good for loggers, that's it that's why they are call like that...
Had a cobbler reduce the heel when resoling. Fixed the problem of that forward tilt. Walking on concrete is 99 % of what I need.
Lmao. No bro. That shit is ridiculous on a concrete floor. I wore em every day for 10 years while I was in the woods. Now I’m in a warehouse on concrete floors and chose to get new boots about an hour into my first day here.
"Logger" boots should have "hob nails" or steel spikes, often called chaulks.
Anyone got any recommendations for good hiking boots that also dont look like shit. Ive got some lowas and altbergs but looking for a more traditional leather style boot. Im uk based if that helps. Cheers
Actually the heel in mens boots go back much further. In Europe the high society men wore higher heels, much like a womans high heels today, as a sign of wealth.
You never lock your foot in stirrups. If you get bucked your foot will be locked and you can be dragged under the horse. Only your toes go in.
Logger boots are some of the most uncomfortable boots out there. They pitch your foot forward putting most of your weight on the front of your feet. On solid ground your feet get tired and hurt way sooner. Walking up hill is the only time they feel good