Anti-submarine grenade launcher demo onboard Swedish Strike craft HMS Styrbjörn
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- Demo of the SAAB Dynamics ASW-601 antisubmarine grenade launcher, a train and tilt version of the fixed mounted ASW-600 system, designed for littoral and greenwater antisubmarine operations. The video was shot onboard the Kaparen class Fast Attack Craft HMS Styrbjörn in the summer of 1996 outside the Berga / Muskö naval base in the southern Stockholm archipelago.
I always love these vids. The gentle music, the soothing voiceover...as they anounce something diabolical like "that compartment is flooded, the submarine is neutralised." Basically saying "everybody inside just died an horrific water pressure and/or drowning related death."
I own two of these, haven't had a problem with subs in my pond since. Thanks Sweden!
What about your Bass??? 🤣😳😂🇦🇺🇦🇺
@@peterwallace9764 well if the bass were better at anti submarine warfare he wouldn't have had to purchase the grenade launcher
@@UnyieldingSeraph lmao
Sweden out here saving the world
North korea buy this in saab
10 out of 10. Would buy again. Ordered these for my kayaking trips and those pesky bass boats. Did cause a bit of dip when mounted.
Buy for the same reason, but the command center still a mess to assemble itself
I always felt my life was incomplete. There was something missing. I watched this video and I found that it was an anti submarine grenade launcher! Thanks SAAB!
What's missing in people's lives is a heart without Jesus Christ
@@livefree316 r/woooosh
Looks like awesome tool to keep stray cats and Jehovas vitness from my yard.
Where can i buy this? Need it for home defense...
As the Founding Fathers intended.
Seems like a modern version of the old WW 2 "Hedgehog Mortar"
Well theres a joke there to be made but you should know better
Very close.
my first impression, as well
probably because I had watched a video about hedgehog used in WW2 in the last couple days
Its more effective i think. 😆
Same thing but way better
coo, i could do with one of those on my fishing boat - we often have suspicions were being followed by a submarine.
If Saab had this feature on their cars to clear trafficjams they've never had been backrupt. :P
Mee thinks Volvo needs two direct hits thoe.
G Klerk
😂😂😂😂😂
Hope it works better than their cars.
Their cars worked VERY well...they just never charged enough money for them. And with the build quality and strength and safety features..they were their own deterrent against thieves and other such things ;)
Alexis Antonakis Hope one day we will see SAAB cars on the roads. Its were really advanced cars with highest reliability. Their demise is sad fact for many fun’s of SAAB cars.
And it even uses a Commodore Vic 20 to control it. 2:20
Amazing how those old computers still have their uses :)
I'm a little late to the party but... The video is from 1996. That computer was "state of the art" back in the "dark ages" of computing. It's hard to believe that your smartphone today has TEN TIMES the processing power of the NASA Shuttles that flew in the 70s and 80s. It's amazing how far we've come... :D
Am sold , I'll take 4 systems and 60 rounds. My people will contact your people
Nvm jest got to the part of the video where they talk of the ammo , 160 will probably do
The ATF/FBI wants to know your location..
I saw it fiirrrssssttttt
Does it come in pink.??
I'll have some too, but in pink please!
Are you trying to sell me an antisubmarine grenade launcher?
They worked in WWII and on into the 1970's. The Russians still have them.
😂 I think that to
Hedgehog from WW2. Deep water no so good.
Depends, do you have lots of money?
Dan G best I can do is 50 cents
I just love the sound when they are fired!!!
Sweden makes the coolest military weapons and equipments !
This idea is not as obsolete as it is made out to be.
Major navies like the Russian and Indian navy still have a similar type of weapon , the RBU-6000 in their front line warships.
Normally fleet anti-sub ops will be carried out by ASW helicopters, Aircraft and ships with long rage torpedoes and depth-charges.
This may not be the primary anti-sub weapon but is another available capability for quick ,rapid close -up encounters in certain situations against a sub. Just like a close- in- weapon system for missiles and aircraft that have penetrated the outer defense.
The Russian RBU has homing warheads too and it can also be used against incoming torpedoes.
The russian RBU has ten times the range though
And also featuring auto reload system too? This SAAB ASW 601 is not.
@@Mjutami you have a name after a shit rifle
I never understood why these weren't adapted to also fire at land targets like an automatic mortar system. Seems like it would be good for suppressing a ship in close proximity to your ship or supporting a landing of troops, especially with all the small (and more importantly shallow-draft) vessels in Russian service that operate in the litorals.
I could see a small corvette making a high-speed pass at night on a beach and just unleashing either HE or WP mortars on the defenses prior to a landing.
@@swaghauler8334 The key word is "close". These things have a range of about 450 meters which means you need to be practically on top of the enemy to use it. Useful if the enemy is a submarine that's trying to hide by sneaking so close you can't make out where he is, less useful when it's a beach full of angry people shooting back at you. Pretty much every ship these were designed to be installed on would have a 40 mm or 57 mm for supporting landings.
@insas223 This was never *obsolete*, this particular version of the weapon is from the mid-1990s and the reason it wasn't adopted in quantity (and why the predecessor, ASW-600, was "retired"), was that the Swedish navy developed a reputation for chasing seals, otters and whales, rather than Russian submarines. With the pivot to hunting pirates off the coast of Africa instead of possibly mythical submarines in the Stockholm archipelago, the ASW gubbins were removed to save weight. And now they're being added back on because there's once again a potential ASW threat in the home waters.
This is for littoral and green waters. At the time this was filmed torpedoes, and therefore, traditional ASW operations were not as effective in littoral waters. Modern Navies have since researched and developed torpedoes that can operate more effectively in littoral waters. That makes this weapon somewhat obsolete. This weapon reminds me of the Hedgehog from WWII.
I was gonna say, getting within 450 meters of a submarine that's angry already seems... dicey. On a helicopter though, this thing would still trouble a sub.
I saw this thing advertised last week on the Home Shopping Network. I thought it was a put-on, but now I see it's real. I'm ordering a few for my grandkids. Great Christmas presents!
Do they have a smaller version for clearing Asian carp?
Lol
Put an anfo with a stone and a detonator on a gatorade bottle. Our fisherman still did this. Sometimes.
Yup how many do want
@Jacob Zondag look the old nursery rhime "the house that Jack built"
it fits your suggestion, not that I entirely disagree
The movie "Battleship" had a weapon that looked a lot like this!
From the aliens of course.... 😆
@A_n_d_r_ R_o_o_t anything that would actually work in space combat lol. those mortar shells were so slow
@A_n_d_r_ R_o_o_t yeah I usually headcannon them as hastily converted mining equipment. ( I mean those changes looks perfect for blowing up asteroids)
@5GXXXX The irony of this is that Hasbro asked the producers to incorporate as much of the board game BATTLESHIP (which the movie is actually based on) as possible into the movie. The alien weapons are shaped like the pins used in the game.
I think a better idea would have been to keep the shape but have them fly straight like a missile using the "stem" of the weapon as some type of "stand-off detonator while the fatter "body/head" of the pin would be some type of fast propulsion system spinning while spewing some type of thrust effect, and then have them strike the ship, stick in and then explode (like they do in the movie now). Hasbro gets their "pin-looking" missile and the alien weapons look bad-assed flying really fast at the target and sticking in it.
Order now, and you'll get a free toaster!
That explodes!
Like those made in china? 😆
Wow. I really need one of this for my naval defense system.
Fun, an updated version of the Hedgehog, and works the same way.
Some changes needed to make it a viable 21st century system.
Add acoustic sonar heads, an acoustic data link, and an active drum pinger. Each round pings once after entering the water. Each round, pings 4 to 6 times on while descending. Once a hard target is located. Each round turns towards the target, and ignites a short burst water jet.
Homing Hedgehog on steroids.😎
You know the thing about Swedish weapons tech, was that they like to take something from WW2 and give it a modern twist, cu'z that Anti-submarine grenade launcher,was actually the Hedgehog that was also used as for Anti-sub warfare. So, it was actually not a new weapon.
Well I suppose that you can say that it is a slightly improved version of the hedgehog as useful for enclosed areas ie large seaway ,channels and harbours.
Looks like a modern version of the WW2 Hedge Hog system very interesting.
Added to my Amazon wish list.
Sweden, you just keep impressing me! 🇸🇪
Fourth of July will never be boring again!
That sound like I can go and buy one for my lake house 😂
@centurion180ad The system was built as a response to the Soviet/Russian submaribe incursions in Swedish terrotiroal waters in the 80's and 90's. The Baltic sea is by far the most difficult ASW-environment, and no other Navy but the Scandinavian even attempts to detect submarines in an archipelago. As a consequence the detection ranges are very short, sometimes point blank range. Under those conditions, a quicker response system than an ASW-torpedo is necessary as a supplement.
Modern version of the Hedgehog then?
The Saab car in the early '70's was Bernie Sanders and his generations official car in Vermont. Seemed a perfect fit for our very snowy winters and the impassible Spring thaw on the 50 percent of unpaved back roads.
A very good and reliable car, maybe too good.
downside was how much more parts were compared to Japanese and domestic cars, at least three times as much from my observations.
It was called "Hedgehog" and used extensively during WW2.
I've used these, not in actual battle, but I have trained with them and they are the solemn reason why I will never serve in a sub.
I respectfuly suggest you learn a bit more about these weapons. The Hedgehog had a contact pistol and would only explode with a contact hit.. It was supperceded by the Squid and later the Limbo.
A proximity fuse would not need to have a shaped charge as a proximity explosion at very close range would be suficient.
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Wow! Love our technology! Swedish military for life
Hi! Billy Mays here with the saab asw 601!
Right a modern day submarine is really going to get that close for the weapon to be effective.
Awesome system, there a way to program the grenades to be a depth charge? That should make it way more efficient and cost effective if you dont have to deploy all the rounds at once, not criticizing by any means just thinking in terms of efficiency
lol RBU-6000 is already in service for like 70 years =D
Been planning on getting some of these as soon as they go on sale.
Good job Sweden. You have reinvented the Hedgehog.
Did the Hedgehog have the ability to fire a specific pattern? No. The Hedgehog was a glorified depth charge thrower, nothing more. The Hedgehog required the ship be manuvered into position, this system automatically trains onto the target, identifies the best pattern and range, then is fired.
Did you actually listen to the video?
They put a computer chip in it. I guess that makes it an entierly new weapon with no basis on any precious weapons system ever developed.
If the sub got this close to you, you would be sinking and they would be watching.
skoko1945 In extreme littoral warfare, not really. Sinking the subhunter the absolute last resort for a midget submarine surrounded by an ASW task force, since you have then confirmed your presence to every ship around.
The hedgehog fired a specific pattern. Ok, only a single one without changes to the launcher.
The hedgehog could be reloaded in 3 minutes, this thingy in 2.
The hedgehog did not require the ship to be maneuvered into position! I'll explain: Subs can be attacked with depth charges, hedgehogs, gunfire, ramming and homing torpedoes. Of these only gunfire[1] and homing torpedoes[2] do not need the ship very close to the submarine, but work better when they are[3]. So in about all cases a sub hunter would turn straight the sub and approach at maximum speed, to be able to depth charge it to death. Which meant that the hedgehog was already trained towards the target (straight ahead) ...
The only case where you'd need to maneuver your ship with a hedgehog was if the sub was detected at very close ranges, you are not able or willing to launch a torpedo against it and you are also not willing to attack it with depth charges (or not right now).
[1] Only effective for surfaced or just below the surface subs. Also you do want to be close to the sub, hitting more often, forcing it under water (where it's slow and exhausts air and amperes) and being as close to the submerging sub as possible for better tracking.
[2] Mark 24 Mine (aka FIDO) was available from 1943, however it needed to be air delivered at the point where the sub dived, since it was slow and ran only for 10-12 minutes. Using a simple hydrophone array it could not detect if a noise was from a sub or a ship, although it's minimum depth of 12 metres (when it returned back to search mode) prevented it from actually hitting surface vessels.
[3] With homing torpedoes ASROC and helicopter launched torpedoes are typical methods to place the torpedo closer to the sub ... for some reason that seems to work better :-)
Gotta love the dramatic music .
No marine life were harm in the making of this demo
Lol😂😂Nice joke
I am sure happy with the one I purchased !
It's just a more modern version of the Hedgehog's they use during World War II
Hedgehogs put out a spread, detonating simultaneously. This system also puts out a spread, however one or more attach magnetically to the sub's hull, puncturing it. Two possible flaws: non-magnetic hull, and the misses sink to the seafloor, possibly becoming a hazard later, unless a depth fuse causes a self-destruct.
I know I'm a little late. It's a Timed fuse for destruction. They detonate automatically after a few minutes.
hedgehogs dont detonate all at once
Something tells me that average submarine will be able to destroy ship from far greater distance than this system could detect it or attack it.
Something tells me that this weapon system is made for Swedish coastal waters and not open waters where it is almost impossible to find a submarine.
@@jonatanfrigard4784 Ha ha, the submarine would crash if try to get in range of this weapon.
that's nothing new, during WW II British used hedgehog against german subs which was very similar.
Everyone knows that...
sav 223.. I think same..
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Wow, really? These manufacturers are so dumb lol
That's a strange comment. What's _new_ in your eyes? This is a much better system and it's newer. You keep your Hedgehog. Others take this one. Happy?
Also effective against minks swimming offshore. (swedish joke)
@hiimcb
No, the Kaparen class FPB:s are now decomissioned. A successor to the ASW-601 was supposed to be fitted to the Visby class stealth corvettes, but I think those plans were eventually postponed/cancelled. Unfortunately.
LOL saab the only company that makes soccer mom cars and weapons systems XD
The make good jets aswell
Jon Drake You are thinking of Volvo. Saab was all about refined performance cars.
Lmao
GM also does
No, a hedgehog, or any other omnidirectional underwater warhead like a mine or depth charge, does not have to strike the hull to sink the submarine. Search Wikipedia for "depth charge" and read under "underwater explosions" for further explanation. A proximity fuse on a shaped charge, like the ASW-601, would be useless, see more about "shaped charge" on Wikipedia fort further explanation.
Hedgehog does have to strike to submarine to explode as they have contact fuzes, that was one of it's main advantages. If an explosion was detected you knew that you'd hit the enemy sub and if not, there would be no disruption to the sonar, as was caused by depth charges which explode whether or not you have damaged the enemy sub, allowing you to continue tracking the enemy sub.
How effective would this system be against my neighbor's dog pooping on my lawn or girlscouts selling cookies?
Maybe you should use it only if the dog or girlscouts have occupied your swimming pool
I could push them in first.
too little information! do you and your neighbor live on a submarine?
A colonial style two story.
Close enough?
it would probably have to be seaside!
@flexi712 The ASW torpedo have a longer range and a higher payload, but it needs a certain volume of water to operate in. The ASW-600/601 is insensitive to extreme littoral conditions, such as water depth less than 60 meters, rock formations on the sea floor, civilian ships nearby etc. In short, if the sub hunter operates in an area with very short detections ranges, the grenade may be preferable to the torpedo just like a hand grenade may be better in house-to combat than an anti-tank missile.
21st century version of the Hedgehog the Brits developed during WW2
So...... What would prevent the sub from launching torpedoes the second it knows it's spotted?
So how come they couldn't find that Russian sub few Months ago that entered their water.
Because we have a president that kisses our enemies ass and helps them. And our military is being weakened on purpose.
They were blaming Russian sub then they realized it was the herring flock that was making that noise. However, after all they found a long sunken WWI sub there. Immigrants raping their women and even men every day but they are still calling Russians the enemy.
mursal kulmiye It was either one of the new Russian Diesel Electric (Black Hole) Subs or there was no Sub.
Finding a submarine in shallow water is quite difficult. I was an weapons electronics rating and have seen hundreds of sonar exercises. They sit on the bottom in silent mode and wait for the ship to steam away before moving. New submarines have a thick rubber coating which simply swallows your ping and you are left trying passive listening on the hydrophone.
I put one of these units on my fishing boat and I gotta say, nobody is fishing my favorite spots anymore...
rien de nouveau , les anglais utilisaient déjà un système comparable sur les sous marins allemands lors de la seconde guerre !!
that's right, they did!
The only missing defence system left for my room will surely buy for my 14th birthday
Best nerf gun launcher ever.
An excellent weapon that is deadly. efficient and won't leave any unexploded armament in the oceans. The Swedish are doing it right.
Another variation of the Hedgehog, an anti-Submarine technology developed in late WWII.
Do you still sell it. My friend say that his rotation table jammed. He need some replacement for it
Nice. Perfection of the Hedgehog system from WW2.
1:00 Rapid, efficient enough, cost effective and versatile enough.
Military / industrial complex has zero interest in that.
SAAB is one of the defence industry's player though
myms7375 - Saab also builds the air independent submarine ? Another example of efficiency , that the USA will not try .
USA wants huge submarines and aircraft carriers - huge targets -
Saab isn’t responsible for that attitude
@@psychiatry-is-eugenics its depends of what primary customer`s need and requirement(for SAAB`s case,its Swedish Armed Forces).If they want to go big with nuclear subs and have the needs for global deployment to protect her allies and interest,then the defence industry player have to fulfill the requirement.Diesel-electric subs is more quiet compared to the bigger nuclear subs,but they lacked the almost infinite range .The AIP is for the diesel-electric subs to be submerged just a little bit longer than the SSk that were not fitted with one,nuclear subs can stay underwater longer than SSK with AIP.Huge subs mean more torps and missiles in the magazine and some nuclear subs like SSBN Ohio-class can carry nuclear-armed ballistic missile.Sweden on the other hand cannot have access to nuclear weapon and its doctrine is more toward defensive and does not have the global deployment requirement.
An update of WW2 'Hedgehog' system. Depending on the ship, 24 to 48 fired out in front of you. Think they weighed about 64 pounds each but any hit would drill a hole in a sub. 30,000 some German submariners didn't come home.
I remember the hedgehog well, also the squid, over the mast ripple fire, MK 10 I believe?
Fred Evans Yup, update to the hedgehog. Let's bring back the Forrest Shermans.
So Owd, u'r abt @ least 90 now, right? & u'r on YouTubby. Right. Uh-huh~
2:30 Darkness, imprisoning me, All that I see, absolute horror... I can not live, I can not die, Trap in my self......
Lol
Beat me to
HMS Styrbjörn, 1980-2008. Rust in peace!
Philippines need this
You guys would be the _perfect_ customers for this weapons system (given all the shallow water areas around the Philippines). The chaff and IR rounds might come in handy too...
No, only 500 meters can reach below surface. Most modern submarine can submerge up to 30,000 underneath sea water.
Wonder if u can modify this to be an airport firefighting system for on-field airplane crashes. Fill the rounds with fire suppressant rather than explosives. Something to keep fire in check while the fire trucks are en-route.
, I wonder if SAAB will have a turbo version, ha ha.
Very cool.. so if i got it right these grenades only work upon direct contact with the submarine's hull ? wouldn't a proximity fuze increase the hit probability.? even though the damage-per-hit would be minor.
LOL it was called a Hedgehog and the British used it during WWII nothing new here.
Hugh Franklin yeah, but! No guidance and no locking system. Hedgehog was hit or miss, this system builds on that simple system.
Hedgehog was a dumb system
@@shaf3006 did you use it personally?
your opinion was void when you started a sentence with "LOL"
yup...was thinking the same
Probably the most used anti-submarine grenade launcher in switzerland!
So it's a hedgehog
Good luck getting close enough to use it
I think next time we rebuild the skyway bridge we need to add a couple batteries of these fine weapons.
looks like hedgehog....
Sonic?
Modernized hedgehog.
Does the nose-cap have to hit the water at a specific surface-to-handler level? Say if it were dropped off the side of the ship, would the nose cap break off and arm the weapon? Also, if that were to happen, would the round be conducted towards the ship and potentially destroy its own handler?
It's reminds me of the hedgehog, I'll point it out i the comments
*sees comment's section*
Nevermind...
What happens to the rounds that miss? Do they wreck the bottom, remember your in home waters and may not want to destroy all the crab ect.
Hey you want to go fishing. Sure should I bring a fishing pole.. Nah.. I got ya fam..
@swertinge07 you're right in both brown water difficulty and cost. I would think that the grenade launcher plus torpedoes or ASROCs would make a formidable and versatile ASW platform.
Am I watching an ad?
our operators are standing by for your call
Meanwhile reloading takes fucking hours.
It says 2-3 min reload.
Have you tried aganist the Covid 19 , if yes , seems not working very well in sweden
Seems awfully short range to be of much use.
Armory especially for short range use to have....short range.
Its perfect for swedens Coasts, because we have very large archipilagos. Look at google maps how the Waters outside of Stockholm look like for example. Any hostile sub entering it is dead meat.
tysswe1 really? we will see now ;) look at the sub hunt :)
vibraloop I am following it. I am from Stockholm.
tysswe1 The ship carrying this system would have been sunk three hours before it got close enough to use the launcher. This is not hunting U-Boats in WW2, modern systems on subs have ranges measured in the tens or even hundreds of miles.
There's was a similar system, used in WW2. They called them hedgehogs.
Meanwhile a submarine will fire a torpedo way outside that operative radius. Ship gone!
Remember, in an ASW encounter, in addition to on- board sonar, there are usually two helicopters dipping their balls in the water and they tended to keep a sub's head down. Sub drivers tend to fear ASW helicopters more than any other opponent, or so I've been told. It's getting harder and harder to believe what we see in these supposed "documentaries". Even the written combat reports are run through a filter an a BS adding system. Who knows but the guys on the subs themselves. My Dad was an ASW specialist on a P2, an S2 and a P3. He wouldn't tell me anything. "Top Secret" he would say. "Can't tell you."
If they used a proximity fuse on these there is a high likelihood that the shaped charge will do absolutely nothing. It needs to be contact fused so that the shaped charge is guaranteed to do substantial damage, which it will since it will blast straight through the hull and either sink or cause the hull to implode under water pressure. Traditional depth charges would likely rattle the sub very hard but leave the hull intact.
And the bottom of the ocean is now littered with live grenades...
No, they self destruct after a few hours.
+Mats Österholm While this looks to be highly capable in its specialty, it also appears to be an excessively specialized weapon; only really useful as a last ditch weapon in situations where (perhaps due to local conditions seriously degrading all SONAR performance, which would make me wonder why a hostile sub would let itself get trapped there) the small craft and the hostile sub accidentally stumbled across each other at point blank range.
Extreme littoral conditions, such as in the Swedish archipelago, are the hardest conditions in the world to detect submarines with very short detection ranges. It is the ideal place for a small submarine to hide. No other navies other than the Swedish and the Finnish even try to hunt submarines in extreme littoral waters. That's what this weapons is developed for.
Mats Österholm ... and thinking about it some more, because sub drivers don't like to operate in waters where they'e impeded as well, I'm starting to think that the existence of this weapon may lead admirals in charge of submarine deployment to not send them in to those waters; their sensor systems, and thus their mission capabilities, are too impeded to be worth the risk of being sunk by these weapons...
+Jeff Anderson They were primarily designed as a response to Soviet and Russian midget special ops submarines and their mother ships intruding into Swedish territorial waters in the 80's and 90's.
hedgehog ripoff
I wouldn't go that far, Owens. Certainly, it is the offspring of Hedgie, but w/all the improvements in chemistry & technologies, it is far more effective at what it was designed to do-- sink subs hugging our coasts. The producer seemed quite proud of the fact that the pressure wave would kill the entire crew. Guess the govt. really hates any competition in contraband smuggling ops. But that's another documentary....
Its deep charge, shit known and used from year 1913.
Hedgehog maight be most glorified and best know depth charge for english speaker.
But it was not new concept or anything like that.
So what's the firing range? Chances are by the time you're in that range of a sub, your ship is already sunk...
How accurate are these? Looks like no active homing, and will just hit and miss
Can't a submarine attack from miles away these days? This might be ok if you find a sub napping but is it a decent defense against torpedoes?
@centurion180ad ASW-torpedoes fired at a target very close to the launching vessel pose a risk to the own vessel as well as friendly units nearby, while this system does not. In short, the antisubmarine mortar covers the gap where the distance to the target is too short for an ASW-torpedo.
Well, it looks like we just reinvented the Hedgehog system from WW2
I cannot see much difference between this and hedgehog. They both require the morter to strike the hull to detonate. I personally would have been more impressed had the morter been detonated in proximity.rather than contact.