@thegungeonmaster you could also become a monster with that smae thinking, just look at the rich families throughout history and what their money and connections have done to people.
"So, let me get this straight: you're threatening to blackmail and ruin me unless I give you combat missions? Well, in that case, I have this mission here needs doing: 'Operation Certain Death', we call it..."
@@alyzluke801They were assaulting a fortified position with guns you could fire once before needing to bayonet people hand to hand. There is no sneaking up on a fortified battery like they were assaulting, regardless of skin color and they wouldn't have had much say over the battle plans anyway. Also, this isn't a video game. "Natural camouflage at night" lol sure buddy
@@webkid4567You don’t know much about the weapons used in the civil war if you think the majority of the Union was still using muskets they weren’t they were using repeating arms and 6 shot revolvers even colored units by 1862 rifling was also invented by 1863 to use on these newer more accurate arms not to mention the bevy of other weapons like the Lemat revolver the Confederates used that had a 20 gauge shell and 9 rounds of .36 ball please continue doing research you haven’t figured out too much about this if you think that it was in anyway realistic for the 54th to use Muskets as they were being quickly made obsolete at this point and the Union had more trade to make way more money than the south ever could to outfit their military
I thought he looked like a child with a stick on mustache until I read the real life history and it turns out he was 2 years older than the real guy...
In wars if choice, maybe. But a CO of a black (and mostly runaway slaves) solders during the civil war? This was more like Poles trying to hold Warsaw in WW2, you wouldn't need to convince them to fight and keeping them out would be a straight up insult.
When I was in the Marines, we had a terrible battalion commander that trained everyone so hard that just under 50% of the battalion was on light duty. It got so bad that every company commander requested mast up to our regimental commander to explain that they didn’t trust going to combat with our then BC. After some strings being pulled at 1st Marine Division, the BC and Sgt Major were both relieved of duty, pretty much ending both of their careers. So yes, subordinates in the military, with pull from connections or in this fictional case, familial, can get people relieved of duty or the ball rolling from being stonewalled.
@@JohnnyAppleseed-yl6fo You have a massive encyclopedic tool at your fingertips and you couldn't find the answer to this burning question? Huh. Alright.
@@HanginInSF They were set up to die because of this act. Shaw new when he accepted the lead position on the fort that no second wave was going to come. they were set up to die. and nobody has been held accountable for that.
Shaw didnt want to fight because he was a warmonger. Shaw wanted to fight because he knew what his men could do, and they had something to prove. Another great example is the Harlem Hellfighters. A legendary regiment in WW1. The US Army didnt want them fighting due to the fact that at the time of obvious racism and the fact many believed those men couldnt fight as well as their white counterparts. But since theyre were available, able bodied eager to fight young men the French took the regiment, and they cemented their place in history with a few legends. Legends say that the 369th Harlem Hellfighters once held off an entire german division with 30 M1897 trench guns. Legend also says they never lost any ground they took, never lost a man, and were the first allied soldiers to step foot in Germany when they broke through the Hindenburg line
Back when the enemy is clear and the cause is true. You dont get that anymore these days, hard to justify bombing villagers that couldnt even locate America on a map.
I really should sit down and watch this movie. I love Cary Elwes, Mathew Broderick, and Morgan Freeman. I am from Maine. I dont know how I have gone 34 years and not seen it
"im blackmailing you for sending me to the frontline!" "Ok i wont send you to the frontline..." "NO! send me TO THE FRONTLINES, OR I will blackmail you"
Damn he was good in this , and when i first sat down to watch it , i thought .... well , here goes lol ..... and i ate my words , he was great! ... just great .... as were Denzel , and the great Morgan Freeman. .... hell of a movie.
This blackmail attempt would never have worked if Broedrick’s character made any other demand. He wanted glory, and saw the fight in his men. They were set up to fail in their assault; but in the end anybody’s regiment would have been set up for failure. If it wasn’t the 54th; it would have been another unit.
I find it ironic that the same actor that is abusing the war to become profitable is also the Warden is Shawshank that abuses his prisoners and Andy Dufresne to become profitable
Theres alot of familiar faces in this movie. Alot of established actors. Even the guy from twister(The guy who played as tue step dad in liar liar and in twister as the leader of the rival chasers)
The guy who played the General in this scene also played the warden in Shawshank Redemption and generally plays a charachter who's a total prick, Matthew Broderick as Robert Gould Shaw and Cary Elwes as his Lt were excellent choices because they not only look like their real life counterparts, but act like they were said to act in life
'why CERTAINLY, I'll 'allow you to put your troublesome lives into Direct Jeopardy!', just as quickly as i can arrange to guarantee that you won't return!' Genius strategy. You've got him right where you want him, Sir. I think i need some aspirin. Which way to sickbay, corpsman?
modern black folks: "They used the black soldiers as cannon fodder!!!!" 54th regiment: "May we PLEASE be cannon fodder, that way the other soldiers will respect us???" Yes after the shorts popped up I rewatched the movie, yes it is still the best Civil War movie of all time!
Fun fact, this didn't actually happen. Montgomery was known to take loot, but this movie VASTLY exaggerated it. He never allowed his men to shoot at civilians, and never torched houses. He also didn't go on expeditions just for looting.
many of the generals of the North did, the south was burned to the ground and all the infrastructure was destroyed, there was mass starvation because of it
Hopefully, if the young Major was as bright as he sounded, he had a "Deadman's switch" in a final letter to his father, to be opened upon his death. Whether this is a documentable charge, I have no idea; but I imagine the script-writers must've come across this idea from SOMEWHERE....
Decent idea. Problem is ALL the witnesses are gone. For a Deadman switch to work as intended there needs to be collaborating i.e LIVING evidence and testimony to.back up the claims
What a fool! I'd have demanded a cut, rapid promotion, a few medals and to be kept far away from the frontlines. How he reconciled the last two is his affair not mine 😂 Of course all of this is if I was going for a villain/coward playthrough
The actual history may be different, but note that sometime after this the 54th is sne ton a suicidal frontal assault on heavily defended enemy positions. And this guys problem is killed.
The Civil War had less to do with abolishing human bondage and more to do with crop rich South states refusing to pay it's debts to the English crown after the Revolutionary War 70 years early. The Northern Capitalist wanted slaves to be factory workers in their industrial revolution.
Yes I understand. He wants to fight. The problem is they needed to get rid of him so it all whole problem would go away. So what they sent him to do take care of both problems didn't it?
As bad as the villain is, he succeeded in eliminating a problem twice over. Sometimes the best solution, is to let it solve itself. He allowed the colonel to lead his army into warfare, kill himself, then keep all the accumulated loot. Bravo! ..big dummy. 🙄
@@joelewis1776he saying that instead of the general being tried before the war department and the belongings returned to the civilians or to the union government for the war effort, and the Colonel being allowed to fight later, he decided to threaten the general so he could fight sooner and it got him killed and now the general can keep his stolen goods and keep raiding civilians
@@angelfan16 oh I’m no fan of the military lol. the same rationale goes for ISIS, they are arguably much braver than any US soldier. Don’t come after me because you’re lacking in values or beliefs though because that’s kinda sad
YOU CAN WATCH THIS MOVIE "GLORY" (1989), THROUGH OUR WEBSITE IN OUR BIO
Or I can watch it through YT Shorts
@@marksmith7258😂😂😂
One of the few times 'my father will hear of this' was a neccesary action 😂
Malfoy: write that down write that down
life is a team sport, and if you don't take advantage of having a good family, you are a fool.
Damn another one...what is it today? *jots this down*
If only jackie junior couldnuse that line
@thegungeonmaster you could also become a monster with that smae thinking, just look at the rich families throughout history and what their money and connections have done to people.
"So, let me get this straight: you're threatening to blackmail and ruin me unless I give you combat missions? Well, in that case, I have this mission here needs doing: 'Operation Certain Death', we call it..."
😂😂😂
As fcked up as it sounds that is one fool proof zero repercussions way of "killing" 2 birds with one stone(pun intended)
lol!
I read that last part in Norm Macdonald’s voice 😂
@@randallstone1567 You know that operation wad a national tragedy
That slight shake as he's holding the cigar at the end, he rattled him. Excellent acting.
Or he just has shaky hands
But there was none
Shaky hands because he was rattled.
@@reallyhappenings5597exactly
You're reading too much into it
The General is being obtuse.
He's corrupt is what he is
What did you just say to me?
@@thebighurt2495 maybe watch Shawshank Redemption.
As usual 😂😂
2 months in the hole
Watched this in theater when I was like 8 y/o.
Made me cry at the end.
Commands a regiment of soldiers with natural camouflage at night but leads a full frontal assault while making an ungodly amount of sounds.
@@alyzluke801he did well... Get off his 🥜s
😂@@alyzluke801
@@alyzluke801They were assaulting a fortified position with guns you could fire once before needing to bayonet people hand to hand. There is no sneaking up on a fortified battery like they were assaulting, regardless of skin color and they wouldn't have had much say over the battle plans anyway. Also, this isn't a video game. "Natural camouflage at night" lol sure buddy
@@webkid4567You don’t know much about the weapons used in the civil war if you think the majority of the Union was still using muskets they weren’t they were using repeating arms and 6 shot revolvers even colored units by 1862 rifling was also invented by 1863 to use on these newer more accurate arms not to mention the bevy of other weapons like the Lemat revolver the Confederates used that had a 20 gauge shell and 9 rounds of .36 ball please continue doing research you haven’t figured out too much about this if you think that it was in anyway realistic for the 54th to use Muskets as they were being quickly made obsolete at this point and the Union had more trade to make way more money than the south ever could to outfit their military
Matthew was a formidable figure in this.
Everything except his accent.
I thought he looked like a child with a stick on mustache until I read the real life history and it turns out he was 2 years older than the real guy...
Good thing he didn't have a day off..
First time that a general got blackmailed by his officers for them to go to the war instead of away from it since... probably ever.
Exclude Spartans to be just..
In wars if choice, maybe. But a CO of a black (and mostly runaway slaves) solders during the civil war? This was more like Poles trying to hold Warsaw in WW2, you wouldn't need to convince them to fight and keeping them out would be a straight up insult.
Yeah, I guess it went better than Tom Cruise's blackmail attempt in Edge of Tomorrow.
When I was in the Marines, we had a terrible battalion commander that trained everyone so hard that just under 50% of the battalion was on light duty. It got so bad that every company commander requested mast up to our regimental commander to explain that they didn’t trust going to combat with our then BC. After some strings being pulled at 1st Marine Division, the BC and Sgt Major were both relieved of duty, pretty much ending both of their careers.
So yes, subordinates in the military, with pull from connections or in this fictional case, familial, can get people relieved of duty or the ball rolling from being stonewalled.
No, this happens all the time. Actually it's happening in Ukraine right now.
His decendent became a warden od Shawshank
Corruption is in the genes
THAT'S who that is!!!! I knew I'd seen him somewhere, I just couldn't figure it out. Thank you!!!
@@JohnnyAppleseed-yl6fo You have a massive encyclopedic tool at your fingertips and you couldn't find the answer to this burning question? Huh. Alright.
@@JM-db8ezmaybe it’s an old guy you don’t know
Damn, I knew Red was old, but I didn't know he lived from the Civil War till Shawshank!
Makes you wonder if he stood over the guy’s shoulder, watching him write the documents. Letter by letter, word by word.
Back then? Not like he had a computer around to play on. (Yes, kids, phones these days are in fact, just computers.)
@@StrangeTerrorgo to sleep grandpa you've gotta get up early tomorrow
@@Townesvanwaits no he doesn't, he's in a care home, none of this is even real, we're all just part of a day dream he's having..
Reading up on who Shaw was, it wouldn't be surprising lol
This. This is what sealed the fate of the 54th.
Blackmailing a corrupt general.
@@carlbirtles4518into sending you into battle? I mean sounds like an awful idea.
@JackHGUK it does, doesn't it lol
Without this act of bravery they might not all have died.
@@HanginInSF They were set up to die because of this act. Shaw new when he accepted the lead position on the fort that no second wave was going to come. they were set up to die. and nobody has been held accountable for that.
Shaw didnt want to fight because he was a warmonger. Shaw wanted to fight because he knew what his men could do, and they had something to prove. Another great example is the Harlem Hellfighters. A legendary regiment in WW1. The US Army didnt want them fighting due to the fact that at the time of obvious racism and the fact many believed those men couldnt fight as well as their white counterparts. But since theyre were available, able bodied eager to fight young men the French took the regiment, and they cemented their place in history with a few legends. Legends say that the 369th Harlem Hellfighters once held off an entire german division with 30 M1897 trench guns. Legend also says they never lost any ground they took, never lost a man, and were the first allied soldiers to step foot in Germany when they broke through the Hindenburg line
That's an excellent and compelling film.
Yes. I've seen it. Good film.great actors.
After Ferris Beuller and War Games, this was when Matthew Broderick grew up as an actor.
Robin Hood, Ferris Bueller, and Captain Maxwell all in one scene
It's getting stuffy in here, like a bureaucrats office. Maxwell was right.
I don't see Robin Hood, just the Man in Black! 🎉
@@Algaeanthat's not Tommy Lee jones
@@ADogNamedStay The Man in Black, from The Princess Bride :)
The thirst to fight. They were built different.
The enlisted men had things to prove and on formation of the regiment the officers were all hand picked to be abolitionist and combat seasoned
The 54th were fighting to free their brothers and sisters from slavery. That’s a pretty strong motivator.
@@lskulskiThey were fighting to keep themselves and their families free, literally. That's even stronger.
The thirst to fight? Hahahaha!!! Those jigs were the ones fighting! Not broderick!!!
Back when the enemy is clear and the cause is true. You dont get that anymore these days, hard to justify bombing villagers that couldnt even locate America on a map.
Homeboi was going hard in the paint on that harpsichord.
Jesus, the actors even have their facial hair accurate.
...jesus christ...they've even got mustaches....HOW'D THEY DO IT!?!?
@@Townesvanwaits I cannot tell your sarcasm sah.
Without the sarcasm even my history professor said ferris bueller is a spitting image of the general
@@Johnjohn-dt6hw precisely, I wonder how much time it took to grow such mustaches and beards, 10/10 accuracy
Signed his own death warrant
Ah, so he was the little communist sh^t twinkle toed cock sucker down there that Sgt Hartman was looking for.
I liked this movie. I believe Black men are often very good soldiers, and I am glad they are respected more now, as they should be!
They're the same as anyone else. They just needed to be given a chance to prove that.
Colonel Robert Gould Shaw-Aprile
I really should sit down and watch this movie. I love Cary Elwes, Mathew Broderick, and Morgan Freeman. I am from Maine. I dont know how I have gone 34 years and not seen it
You won't regret it.
Denzel Washington's flagship role
It's an amazing movie. Made all the more breathtaking that it's based on actual events.
Because you've been obtuse. 😂
Have you watched it yet? What did you think?
This was a great movie. Wonderful movie.
In hindsight: the moment he signed the 'death warrant' of himself, and the entire regiment...
They won the battle in the next scene
Colonel Montgomery: you're welcome.💀
One of my favorite movies of all time. Might be my favorite ensemble of actors in any movie
"im blackmailing you for sending me to the frontline!"
"Ok i wont send you to the frontline..."
"NO! send me TO THE FRONTLINES, OR I will blackmail you"
They weren't on the front lines. You forage in areas that don't have heavy military activity.
@@joshuawilliams8252 yea, but they didn't want to just raid and pillage, they wanted to be on the front lines and fight.
Such. F’n good movie. So many emotional elements
Damn he was good in this , and when i first sat down to watch it , i thought .... well , here goes lol ..... and i ate my words , he was great! ... just great .... as were Denzel , and the great Morgan Freeman. .... hell of a movie.
Personally, I wouldn't follow the orders of the man whose career I just threatened, might not be coming back from that one...
This blackmail attempt would never have worked if Broedrick’s character made any other demand. He wanted glory, and saw the fight in his men. They were set up to fail in their assault; but in the end anybody’s regiment would have been set up for failure. If it wasn’t the 54th; it would have been another unit.
Captain Benjamin Maxwell of the USS Phoenix!
You tell him, Ferris Buller
The Crazy Thing Is
Corruption Still Goes On
Even Far Worse Than This Now.
Oh that guy played Westly in The Princess Bride I think!
Just rewatched this movie yesterday after RUclips reminded me of it! Sad Shaw never got up that sand bank 😢
Do you want a suicide mission… because that is how you get a suicide mission
'If writen a letter to my father' no words you ever want to hear from a subordinate.
I wonder if somebody would have actually had a harpsichord in their office during this period. The piano had been around for 50 years.
Do you know what song was being played on the harpsichord?
@@CharlesTeatrottertrumpet voluntary by Jeremiah Clark
Not today! Not tomorrow! Now!
Colonel Montgomery is playing the f piano 😅
It's a harpsichord. Sort of like a piano.
@@chriswalker7895beat me by a minute.
I find it ironic that the same actor that is abusing the war to become profitable is also the Warden is Shawshank that abuses his prisoners and Andy Dufresne to become profitable
Theres alot of familiar faces in this movie. Alot of established actors. Even the guy from twister(The guy who played as tue step dad in liar liar and in twister as the leader of the rival chasers)
"4 thousand bales of cotton just up and vanished, like a fart in the wind."
An amazing movie
Sherman did it with Lincolns blessing....
He’s smoking that big blunt
I Love this Movie
“I will not tolerant blasphemy in this prison…” wait wrong movie.
The guy who played the General in this scene also played the warden in Shawshank Redemption and generally plays a charachter who's a total prick, Matthew Broderick as Robert Gould Shaw and Cary Elwes as his Lt were excellent choices because they not only look like their real life counterparts, but act like they were said to act in life
'why CERTAINLY, I'll 'allow you to put your troublesome lives into Direct Jeopardy!', just as quickly as i can arrange to guarantee that you won't return!'
Genius strategy.
You've got him right where you want him, Sir.
I think i need some aspirin.
Which way to sickbay, corpsman?
Great character actor Bob Gunton also known as Samuel Norton: The pious and cruel warden of Shawshank penitentiary of Shawshank Redemption.
Ferris to this in one leap.
I gotta watch this film again🇺🇲💯
Never piss your boss off
And never volunteer for anything
Everyone talking about the warden from Shawshank Redemption and all I see is the train engineer from Greg the Bunny.
That box press cigar looks 👀
Jeremiah clarke the prince of denmark on piano ? Nice
That young officer seems a bit tense, he should take a day off
One served themselves the one served others
This is the Crooked warden in shawshank!!!!
Uugghhhh
Ferris got into a Time Machine went back to the future
Can't believe the General went on to be warden at Shawshank
This certainly won’t backfire. What can he even do? Put us on the front lines?
honestly he wasn't asking much. just to fight and die. fair bargain for silence
An Obtuse General 👍
Omg, that’s the warden from Shawshank Redemption
modern black folks: "They used the black soldiers as cannon fodder!!!!"
54th regiment: "May we PLEASE be cannon fodder, that way the other soldiers will respect us???" Yes after the shorts popped up I rewatched the movie, yes it is still the best Civil War movie of all time!
GLORY FOR GLORY **
I guess Glory is in the RUclips algorithm as of late.
I liked him a lot more a Ferris Bewler 🤷🏻♂️
Okay, okay, I'll watch.
His justice cometh and that right soon
That threat got he and his men killed
Fun fact, this didn't actually happen. Montgomery was known to take loot, but this movie VASTLY exaggerated it. He never allowed his men to shoot at civilians, and never torched houses. He also didn't go on expeditions just for looting.
How do you know? And what about the smuggling? He said something about him or his people looting, not that looting to be his soul objective
many of the generals of the North did, the south was burned to the ground and all the infrastructure was destroyed, there was mass starvation because of it
Also general harker was never Shaws commanding officer.
Major general David hunter was his commanding officer at this time.
Compelling cast for this movie.
Demoted to warden of Shawshank.
I always thought the →(some RUclips title) ment full video but now I know it's usless
I can't take Matthew Broderick seriously. I'm sorry, I just can't.
Same here.
Is that the actor from Princess's Bride?
Yes, Carey Elwes
Hopefully, if the young Major was as bright as he sounded, he had a "Deadman's switch" in a final letter to his father, to be opened upon his death.
Whether this is a documentable charge, I have no idea; but I imagine the script-writers must've come across this idea from SOMEWHERE....
Decent idea. Problem is ALL the witnesses are gone. For a Deadman switch to work as intended there needs to be collaborating i.e LIVING evidence and testimony to.back up the claims
COLONEL Shaw probably did.
And the General might have been charged with war profiteering.
The only reason he didn't get locked up is because he didnt call him obtuse.
And his Grandson became the warden of Shawshank prison.
The way the North works, time after time.
What a fool! I'd have demanded a cut, rapid promotion, a few medals and to be kept far away from the frontlines.
How he reconciled the last two is his affair not mine 😂
Of course all of this is if I was going for a villain/coward playthrough
Dont forget that Matthew Broderick killed 2 women driving on the wrong side of the road in Ireland in the 80s and has never faced justice
The actual history may be different, but note that sometime after this the 54th is sne ton a suicidal frontal assault on heavily defended enemy positions. And this guys problem is killed.
The general is portrayed by Bob Gunton. Most famous as the Warden in Shawshank, dude has a knack for playing scumbags lol.
The general later ran his illicit enterprise at shawshank prison.
Do you know who my father is?
This guy is always the corrupt leader... his time at Shawshank was another example
I guess his accountant's first name is Andy.
Bob Gunton never disappoints when it comes to play real pos characters.
That music made it seem like a parody
The Civil War had less to do with abolishing human bondage and more to do with crop rich South states refusing to pay it's debts to the English crown after the Revolutionary War 70 years early. The Northern Capitalist wanted slaves to be factory workers in their industrial revolution.
To the Victor go all the spoils!!
The general should have learned his lesson in this movie
WHEN!??!
Yes I understand. He wants to fight. The problem is they needed to get rid of him so it all whole problem would go away. So what they sent him to do take care of both problems didn't it?
Wish it was still the War Department and not DoD
As bad as the villain is, he succeeded in eliminating a problem twice over. Sometimes the best solution, is to let it solve itself. He allowed the colonel to lead his army into warfare, kill himself, then keep all the accumulated loot. Bravo! ..big dummy. 🙄
Some people have the guts to die for a cause they believe in. If you’re calling him stupid for that, then you’re just a coward
@@joelewis1776he saying that instead of the general being tried before the war department and the belongings returned to the civilians or to the union government for the war effort, and the Colonel being allowed to fight later, he decided to threaten the general so he could fight sooner and it got him killed and now the general can keep his stolen goods and keep raiding civilians
@@joelewis1776 He writes, in a RUclips comment 😂
Okay, Gravy Seal!
@@joelewis1776
And what have you died for?
@@angelfan16 oh I’m no fan of the military lol. the same rationale goes for ISIS, they are arguably much braver than any US soldier. Don’t come after me because you’re lacking in values or beliefs though because that’s kinda sad