HOW FAST is a HEMI SUPER BEE !! vs HEMI Road Runner, Hurst/Olds, Stage 1, LS6 ! OLD SCHOOL DRAGS !!
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- HOW FAST is a 1968 HEMI Super Bee ??
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A very rare 1968 Hemi Super Bee takes on some potent old school muscle cars which include a 1969 Hurst Olds. 1971 Buick GSX Stage 1; 1971 LS6 Corvette and 1969 Hemi Road Runner (twice).
All of the cars in the video are very rare and desired muscle cars competing in the Pure Stock Drags class. So, how so how does other Detroit muscle stack up against an 1968 Hemi Super Bee powered a Hemi headed 426 Cubic Inch (7 L) motor with dual quads which was conservatively rated at 425 horsepower.
The first car take on the Hemi Super Bee is a 1969 Hurst Olds equipped with Oldsmobile's torque monster 455 cubic inch motor rated at 385 horsepower.
The second car to take on the Hemi Super Bee is a 1971 Buick GSX Stage 1. The GSX is equipped with Buick's torquey 455 cubic inch Stage 1 engine; however, since it is a 1971 it has a lower compression ratio than the 1970 Stage 1 and lost about 45 horsepower - went from 360 HP in 1970 to 315 HP in 1971.
The third car to take on the Hemi Super Bee is a very rare 1971 Chevrolet 454 LS6 Corvette. The LS6 Corvette is 1 of 188 built in 1971 and is equipped with Chevrolet's legendary 454 cubic inch LS6 engine; however, since it is a 1971 it has a lower compression ratio than the LS6 that powered the Chevelle in 1970 and lost about 25 horsepower - went from 450 HP in 1970 to 425 HP in 1971. However, the 1971 LS6 Corvette came from the factory with Aluminum heads whereas the 1970 LS6 Chevelle had iron heads.
The last car to race the Hemi Super Bee is a 1969 Hemi Road Runner which is equipped with the same 426 cubic inch Hemi that powers the Hemi Super Bee. Both cars weigh about the same, and both are rated at 425 horsepower. The Hemi Road Runner takes on the Hemi Super Bee for two races.... so who wins ?
All the cars in the video are competing in the Pure Stock Drags, so modifications are very limited. The only modifications permitted are minor porting, blue printing and minor weight reduction without altering the stock appearance. Camshafts and compression ratio have to be within a small percentage of stock specs. That means stock intake manifold, stock exhaust manifolds and street tires.
So WHO WINs? Watch the video and see what happens.
Comment below - Tell us what you think and which car you'd rather own after watching the video...
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These guys are all driving on bias ply tires instead of slicks, and turning out some great ETs. Hats off to them for being great drivers, and having their cars set up well.
I had a 69 AMX with a 390 t-10 B/W set-up in the 70's. Had headers and an edlebrock intake. Basically stock. It used to eat my dad's super bee and his Plymouth 440. It would leave it out of the hole. My dad had a 'Cuda as well. Mom had a 73 Targa Porsche. Good car times back then. All three mopars were destroyed in a warehouse fire. He bought a new GMC RV with the insurance. I was bummed out.
First mopar i had was a 68 big block coronet.
This car is a dream car for me
Big block is a Chevy term. They had 2 different blocks. If you say big block for a Mopar you don't know cars.
I had had the 318 version of this car back in the day. With slight modifications to the small block.... I had the car running 13 seconds. The car was actually light for its size.
Those Hemi's are consistently kicking ass
Well that's debatable, in the Pure Stock/Not Pure Stock video (excellent video) they were, but I can assure you back in the day, showroom to showroom I made those Hemi's come off the line a couple more hundred RPM...lol....I brought home a few trophies at Suffolk Drag Strip in my 69 Mercury Cyclone 428 CJ (still have the trophies and car, found, bought back, restored)........love those MOPAR's, especially the 68 Cuda......remember Hemi Under Glass, Wild Bill Shrewsberry drove in 65, went on to pursue his own project....if you don't remember, Gloogle/youTube and watch.....
GSX Stage 1 is dead sexy but torque is much lower when compared to the Stage 2. I will assume that is a real GSX as many phonies were duplicated. The Hemi engine in those Dodges are just unreal. The consistency of the raw power from the factory is historic. Excellent vids.
Listening to the hemi I think there are some unseen mods. The owners done some good work and the car hooks..
It’s Dave Dudeks bee. He’s been a name in this game for 20 years. He built a wicked 69 340 dart with cross ram 20 years ago then went to a purple hemi challenger, sold that then built the bee. He’s kinda THE guy to beat.
@@devillockj That makes sense. I could tell on the 1st run that the Super Bee was extremely well set up and dialed in.
I said the same I can clearly hear a little lope plus trapping a 122mph.
DD's got it dialed in plus some serious engine massaging too..
Definitely not a Stock Cam. And Taller Gears, as well.
Love how the hemi was just getting quicker and quicker with each run.
Was probably learning to get out of the hole without losing traction and maybe tuning his light skills as well.
Losing gallons of gas each run LOL, but in all seriousness hemis are pretty great cars. I like small block Mopar to myself and I cry when I see a real Hemi car, but it was a Fun Run 2 watch
As the day wears on and the air gets cooler, that happens. In bracket racing, you get your dial in time during the day when the Sun is hot and the air is thin, then you're racing towards the evening as the air is getting cooler and more dense and your car ends up running a little faster than your dial-in, so you have to watch busting your dial-in but also beating the guy in the other lane. Bracket racing is about as running as consistent as possible
Hey, I could be wrong, but how do ya know these races were actually shown in proper order? Another thing I noticed, was how he ran ever so slightly slower when racing the other Hemi. Watch the entire video again: The featured Hemi ran a fastest pass of: 11.68 against the Corvette. But he ran only an 11.86 and an 11.78 during both races shown against the other Hemi at the END of the video. Granted, they were all 11 second passes ( and very impressive, I might add ), but we have no way of knowing "in what actual order" these races took place. With each pass, less gas in the tank may have helped ET's ( unless he purposely kept the same amount of fuel for each run as close as possible for weight reduction ), but then again, the temperatures & track conditions could get "worse" or "better" throughout the day as well. And just because the video maker stated: "next up" for each race, it doesn't necessarily mean that was the proper order in reality. Only the video maker could tell us that. ????????
lOVE SEEING THOSE CARS STILL ON THE ROAD
Say my man thank you. I was the guy who commented on the last Hemi Super Bee video, "Why don't you run it against something that would give the ELEPHANT a race", the race against the Vette, is more along the lines I was thinking. Glad to see you listen to your viewers. Good job
If it was stock versus stock. Or the same mods on both. The vette would have took the Win for sure.
Those hemi were not even close to stock.
@@hoganlegdrop2409 and that Corvette was definitely nowhere near stock I find that people only say that when they see us Chevy get beat by hemi
@@taylorpinkney7253 the hemi was running 11.6 lololol. And did you hear the the lumpiness of the camshaft? None of the others cars sounded like that.
@@hoganlegdrop2409 no cam work is not allowed in pure stock all of the cars that are running 12 ets or better in this class have all been modified and all have to follow the same rules and guidelines so what is your point
That Super Bee hooks on those Skinny tires “
And a few cranks up on the torsion bars helps too
The "71" Buick is a 72, the rubber rear tail light surrounds, and flat hood chrome trim above the grill give it away. All great cars anyway, I'd be happy with any of them.
Both Mopars had modifications they never ran a 11 second quarter mile from the factory. 13 second at best
That's a fact......13.55 was about it......I ran hundreds of stock hemi powered machines back in the day, My 69-428 Cyclone CJ ran a 13.56 on a good day and it was the only machine I owned back then that stood a chance....and I had many.....
Yea, I was suspicious when it ran against the corvette.
With some tuning, they will go alot quicker than 13's, no other modifications.
@@freedomfirst5420 We/I knew how to tune back in the day, and a quicker than 13's off the showroom floor wasn't gonna happen.....we're talking about a tune in the early 70's, basically a screwdriver and your ear....lol...not your computer analysis/dyno's and such. With no and I mean NO modifications they basically came off the showroom floor full tilt.......from my experiences. Now I can assure you my Original Thunderbolt ran quicker than 13s off the showroom floor......had it now 36 years next month.
13 sec 383
I am musclecar connisuer. Corvettes aren't musclecars. A Hemi is a great race motor, but in it's stock form...it could barley do a burnout on slicks. The 440 would roll a Hemi every day of the week. If you a musclehead like me then you got some sense. Da baddest cars ever made for the masses back in da day was a 68 Hurst Olds and a 70 Buick GS Stage 1 .
That last race dude was late off the line, cost him the race . where's the tie breaker, great video thanks
No wonder Joe Dirt wanted a HEMI
Great comment man
Damn that car was fast. Would like to see it run against that white L88 Corvette you posted the video of about 3 weeks ago.
Agree. That would be great race.
My money on the L88 if it's a true 427
@@sealteam608 I believe it is a real L88. By the way that Corvette was silver not white like I thought. And yes I think the Corvette's lighter weight and better aerodynamics would help it edge out the superbee.
@@sealteam608 There is another video of the L88 against this & it got beat & the Corvette owner was pissed lol . There was even another Buick GS the big dog that ran against this 3 times in a row thinking the Hemi with no cool down time or on a hot lap would loose & it also got beat .
@highbrass308 There was but I think it got taken down if it's a white L88 427 your talking about ? I had watched a couple times & it lost to the Hemi a couple of times & the owner was pissed to a point at the end that he said he should have bought a Hemi . I tried to find it again a while ago but couldn't for some reason so I think it got taken down for some reason which I don't understand unless the Corvette guy made them take it down who knows .
Those Hemi's are no joke
71 GSX is a smog model , should have raced a 70 model
True, but in pure stock class you can go 1.5 points higher in CR which would restore any lost power vs. the 70 since everything else was identical between model years.
@@OxBlitzkriegxO and God knows what other mods they apparently allow in the so-called "Pure Stock" class. These cars are all going way quicker than they did back in the day.
@@OxBlitzkriegxO not so. Distributor changes,carb changes, rocker arm ratio changes, camshaft changes.owned a lot of them ,there are a lot of differences to go along with the mandated low lead fuel.
That Corvette about did a wheelie through first gear. Killer hookup
Back in the 70s with my 64/66/67 GTO's, 67/71- 442s, and even my 69 Mercury Cyclone Cobra Jet 428 (sometimes, that baby would run 13.56) my butt was waxed most of the time with those Hemi's......a red light was about my only hope.....lol....Love the 68 Hemi Cuda
That my friends is one bad ass Mopar!
Great races, But it looked like the Super Bee had some serious weight in the trunk.
What mods have been done to the hemi? No hemi ran 11’s in 1969! Nothing but a 70 Stage 1 & hemi Cuda ran low 13’s. I had a 1970 442 W30 w/ headers and ran high 12’s and nothing beat me back in the early 70’s. So how can this hemi run 11’s?
The class allows mods just not “crazy” shit basically 🙂 you can check the rules online
Nothing beats a HEMI but another HEMI!
That hemi is probably making around 500hp!
It’s way above that!
Im going to say it dyno’d at 850hp, but could’ve been the motor for factory appearing stock tire class
Almost right on Brian......most older model street hemi's were rated at 425 from factory.....but they cheated somewhat with that rating.....sessions on the dyno decades ago put the gross HP rating at about 470 without full exhaust and other engine driven accessories.......but the two you saw are not stock.....not close.... much higher HP ratings on the last two......
Great video,,Love to know the rear end ratios of these cars.
Stock HEMI??? We dyno'd a bone stock one a couple years ago so I'm familiar how they sound.
I seen stock Hemi's put out 495/499. Did you get similar numbers? The channel I saw was Nick's Garage where he ran it off oem ignition and factory carb set up.
I saw a 1970 426 Hemi make 493 horses at 6000 rpm and well over 500 lb/ft torque at 4000 rpm. And the 1970-71 Hemi was a bit milder than the 1966-69 Hemi because of the switch from solid lifters to a more emissions friendly hydraulic cam in 1970. So I wonder what kind of power the 1966-69 Hemi made. Definitely had to be over 500 horses(515-520 maybe more?) at 6000 rpm with the more radical solid cam
Those hemi’s have a lot more mods done to them than required
Dudek basically wrote the rules about 30 years ago. "Pure stock" is a very liberal definition.
@@redrum2204 They all still need to stay in certain guidelines no matter what as far as cam specs what can be done to the heads pistons or what carburetors can be used so they aren't terribly far from stock . Engine blue printing goes a long ways on how much more hp they can make as well as how much better they run compared to coming out of the factory stock & I believe this class allows for engine blue printing to be done plus it helps to know how to set up the suspension on these with these stock sized Red line tires that don't give very good traction . One thing you have to remember though is back in 70 or 71 Bobby Issac set a NASCAR record with a Hemi winged car on the track that was the first ever 201.104 mph that was timed by the officials something never done by any other car manufacturer running in NASCAR back then or since because even the new cars aren't going that fast close but I have yet to see one go 200 mph even today ! Eventually NASCAR started making the Hemi winged cars use only 1 carburetor instead of 2 & other things to slow them down until they got banned all together but Issac decided to go run & set records with the very same car at the Bonneville salt flats but set up to run on the salt & that very same car ran 216.00 + MPH & broke many records one because that winged body back then for an American muscle car used in NASCAR was the most arrow dynamic body out for high speed & Chrysler even took it to the air Force Base to the world's largest wind tunnel to test & make improvements on it plus the fact that the Hemi engine can be built to make astounding HP sets them apart from other cars . The big block Chevrolet can make good HP for sure but I was around in those days at the drag strips & the engine to beat was the Hemi & if you watched any of the nitro fuel guys most were running the Hemi & of course you had the BB Chevrolet guys & Ford guys but none of those engines could make the HP on alcohol or nitro like the Hemi engine can & it's still that way in those classes today being the modern top fuel engine is derived off of the 426 hemi but using all billet solid blocks heads & other custom made parts to withstand the 14,000 HP they supposedly make today .
Pete Loomis and yet the hemi isn’t from Chrysler 😃 and I believe fords were one first cars to really use the idea. Plenty of the others you said can be built and tweaked very easy as well..let’s not forget the l88 corvettes and the zl1 first gens that will outrun nearly any hemi 😁
Good Times!!:):)
Notice how the two quickest cars (mopars) had leaf springs (corvette has a traverse leaf)! This always seems to be a common denominator with all of the quickest cars, i.e. mopars, camaros, nova, mustangs. Coil springs provide a nicer ride, which was the intent for many of the GM cars. And I believe the leaf springs were also an economical thing?
Probably true but those big B bodies got great traction. I know, I used to street race my Coronet 500 every weekend and only lost a couple of times. 383 4 727
Is that hemi 100% stock? Seems like it had a little more lift in the cam...
Of course not, I don't think any of those cars were 100% stock
Of course not, I dont think any of those cars were 100% stock
All of the cars are allowed some small modifications per the Pure Stock rules. It's in the description.
The cam cannot have more than stock lift or duration at 0.050
From the previous owner of a few factory street Hemis, back in the day. Nope not stock. With headers, 4.10 rear and a MOPAR performance purple shaft cam, yes.
Better than “Cars & Zebras” !
Bob Karakashian is driving the other hemi car. He is a stand up guy and doesn't cheat. He would be happy to have any of you nerds inspect that car. It's 100% within the rules as defined by pure stock.
That car has 4.56 gears and hemi cars make right at 500hp at the crank. Interestingly, an A12 Roadrunner would be a great match for these cars as it runs similar times. The 440 was just as fast as the hemi on the street in stock to best stock form.
No way in the world am I saying he cheated......I'm sure he's within the rules in the pure stock class.......but this nerd has had literally a few hundred races back in the day with bone stock Hemi's and one off the showroom floor Hemi I every raced ran a 13.50 at best........I'm 68 now and still have the only car I beat one with.....my 69 Mercury Cyclone 428 CJ......13.56 best ever run.....I'm pretty sure the Hemi rear on most were 3.23s.....That 4.56 makes a huge difference, and not close to pure stock.....now I'm talking showroom stock. To drop 2 seconds a few more modifications were done.....I do not race a pure stock class, we don't even have one (lol)....just do Funday Sunday stuff now in my old 64 Fairlane Thunderbolt I bought from "Daddy Warbucks", Phil Bonner 35 years ago......they say 425hp.......they say, lol....and I lied, it has been two I've beat Hemi's with and still can.......Here, Hemi, Hemi was a vinyl sticker I had made up and put on my back glass years ago......
It's not stock. Bottom line.
So he will let me take his entire engine apart. Right there on the drag strip? I could pull his spark plugs and check compression. I can disassemble his valve train. I can pull out his camshaft? Look at the pistons and crank shaft. Check the tolerance on his manifold. The list goes on and on. I'm sure he doesn't even try and hide the fact that it's not stock.
Hasn't dudeks Plymouth run a 9.8 something ?? A few years ago ??
At like 135mph if I recall. Would need different motor for pure stock class, prob why it’s slowed down
Nice
During that 1st race: WHOA.......that Oldsmobile belched a plume of smoke at the half-way point of the race. Not a huge plume, but you can see the smoke if ya watch closely. That can't be good, lol. I wonder what happened?
I love this video on the drag racing. My only thing with it though is they did not use a 1969 Roadrunner like they said they did. They used a 1968 Roadrunner. I know by the taillights. In a 69 Roadrunner they don't have the blinker like that either. I own a 69 Roadrunner and the one in this video was not one.
Of course, they had to put the lower compression 71 buick up against the hemi to make it look good lol
The HEMI factory numbers were intentionally de-rated. That engine is far more powerful than it appears...
The majority of the muscle cars of that era were underrated. Chrysler rated the 426 Hemi at 425 horsepower but it achieved that at only 5000 rpm. A Hemi would rev up over 7000 rpm and continued to make power almost right up until it's redline. I saw a bone stock 1970 426 Hemi on an engine dyno and it made 493 horsepower at 6000 rpm and well over 500 lb/ft of torque at 4000 rpm I believe. And most people don't realize the 1970-71 426 Hemi was a bit milder than the 1966-69 version because of the switch from solid lifters to a more emissions friendly hydraulic camshaft in 1970.
Creame de la creame!
The GSX in the 70' model had over 500 foot pounds of torque the Hemis had 490
The 426 hemi was underrated at 425 horsepower. That was measured at a lower rpm. On purpose. When reved up all the way (around 6k rpm) it measured 500 horsepower. And that's why they win.
Hemi super bee crushes everything
If you bet on the Hemi you won..
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Those hemi are not stock. Any knowledgeable car fan knows that. Hemi run in the 13s.
Yes Hemis have the speed of an elephant
Dave dudek in a mopar is not a fair race to compare cars. That should probably be noted🤣
Awesome cars ...... However, neither Hemi was even close to running a "stock" setup......... www.chargerforums.com/threads/old-time-muscle-1-4-mile-times.9361/
Is anyone racing totally stock? Lol they all have the same rules
Obviously some interpreted the "rules" differently than others..... LOL
Say what you eill i had a 4:10 dana out 69 440+6 dodge, a 18 sline factory a 440+6 with a tm7 485 comp cam yes slicks i was at the track, mybe 10, (in 84) with that info, it ran a best of 11.38 at 118, wasnt a hemi. May be 200 under but with the roll bar that went hi over the drivers head so with in 150 lbs 11.38 at 118mph oh wait maybe my first pass fown the track in a friends 69 dart, was 13.5s the owner wasnt happy it was nearly 4 tents quicker and people wonder why I drove sticks, but got drafted , ruined that career, hope to put some pieces together and make a video, some got a big block 18 spline who want to make that VIDEO.. dana 60 a must slicks, several cameras, how about it mopar people, lets have fun
Geez Don, might want to have another set of eyes proofread your posts. The struggle is real my friend.
King Bee right there 🐝👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Not stock, heavy mods on that super bee
No heavy mods are allowed in pure stock please read the rules
These are F.A.S.T. cars ( Factory appearance, stock tire ) but you can do anything to them under the engine's exterior. These hemis are closer to 600hp and far away from their original "425" rating. That black 1968 dodge started out as a coronet post car and was restored to look like a real 68 super bee.
The corvette was not an l88
The l88 were only built from 1967-1969 and were only in the 427 ci variant. There was never a 454 l88.
If that vette was an l88 it would have won
An L88 vs a 68 Hemi Dart or Barracuda Super Stock would be a more even matchup than an L88 vs a Street Hemi. The 12.5:1 compression Race Hemi was a whole different animal than the regular production 10.25:1 compression Street Hemi
Jeremy Thompson
Though the L88 was a race engine with a compression of 12.5:1. It not only was very fast in a straight line but in most cases out handle most American made street cars of its time.
How fast is it? Apparently pretty fking fast to get into the 11's in it's "stock" form.
mopar hemi's rule
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Takes a MOPAR to beat a MOPAR
That’s strange, the vette should have won that one. Makes me feel as if the hemi, wasn’t completely stock. As you can tell from the suspension as well. Could have been some tuning.. but I’m suspicious, cause of the vette race.
Neither are completely stock .Read the rulebook.Chevy lovers cry to much
Buick got a bad launch, should have been closer.
Hemispheric heaven !
That’s not a stock Hemi
Mopar all day!!!
What I see is some modified Chrysler’s running stock cars.
All of the cars can do certain small modifications per the class rules. It is stated in the video description.
Well obviously nobody ever put better gas in the car and picked up 20mph in the 1/4🤣
88tcoupe if you’ll listen to the idle of the hemi you’ll notice the LSA and intake centerline have been altered from the stock profile camshaft. Headers and tires are permissible but the fact remains there was some serious cheating going on there with cars that weren’t the fastest in their day but are now🤔.
That super bee stance is horrible
That's how it hooks on bias ply tires.
Himi proven!!!
The super bee will win he heee as they get warmed up there hell to beat
Funny how it always takes the Plastic Generic Motor Crap mullet mobile to keep up to a Mopar
Mullet mobile. WTF?? Laughing my azz off.
MO POWA BABY!!!!