@@GabrielGrechkovik streaking grime by AK interactive, great stuff but definitly recomend watching some tutorails on it first as it is not a standard paint.
In this case I think grime works on some bits of the bust better than others. On the red and bronze of the shoulders it's great, on the beard and human hair it is also great, brings some warmth, but I would've held off on some of the grey armor. Just my opinion, both looked great
I think both leaving it clean and having the streak and grime have their advantages. However if you could find a middle ground between them, I think you will be hitting gold. 👌🏻
I liked the "sketched" version of the bust. Regarding the grime: I would put it on anything but skin and hair. Sometimes it looks as if it mutes everything to much, killing the details even after being pushed back with the cleanup step. And I think it would increase contrast in the mini. Maybe it's only in this bigger scale that it makes a difference though.
This sums up my opinion perfecty. The armour was improved, the shield looked sick. The face and hair... a little faded. Especially after all that effort building up the highlights.
The couple over at Craftworld Studio are amazing at this second technique. Sometimes they end up with more "sketchy" finich, just like you, and other times they basicly finish the miniature as normal and use this skething step for the shadows and undertones. Love it see it done well here too!
I love Streaking Grime and love the end result after griming personally, adds a lovely matte complexion and realism. But I believe for a bust like this preserving the contrast has it's merits too.
Omg, the Ebauche version is incredible! I love the richness of colour on every part of the model, along with the dramatic highlights! It really brings the model to life!
For the streaking grime, I think it works better on miniatures or on certain areas of larger sculpts like that. While it looks great on the metallic parts of the armor, I feel like it took away too much of the contrast in the face and fur, making it all sorta mush together in one blobby shape
I like the streaking grime but I think with the space bears it's a classic case of less is more and there was just too much on the bust and it lost too much of the contrast.
We want more variety for the chapter! More interpretations of other unit types! So far you've only done lightning claw guys, spread out into the other specializations!!! Tanks, aircraft, heavy weapon specialists, honor guard! I want to see them all!
These goddamn space bear videos are killing me. I'm envious. The models the lore, everything about them is amazing. I want to play against your army Jazza! I play Eldar and blood angels.
I think they need the grime *BUT* some chipping and other weathering effects are needed to really sell the look rather than it just looking more brown.
For the first one, the streaking adds depth, but should not feel all over. The second one is just amazing and feels like craftworld studios style of painting which is such an amazing look. As for the heavy metal look, you might want to check out infernalbrush, who is a former heavy metal team painter showing some of their recipes and techniques.
that second one looks sooooooo good! omg this changed my mind about mini painting I already thought it was awesome but now he created like an impresionistic style of mini painting, so awesome
Here is the issue I have with Jazza's streaking grim usage. Yes it helps in a lot of ways, however you need to go back and touch up the highlights an maybe even some elements of the mid tone areas especially on a bust. The other bust by Murray simply needs more shadowing and shading to reach that next level of looking realistic but paraid looking clean armor. But in the end all three look great and both of you should be very proud of your work!
I think somewhere in the middle of clean and grimy would be PERFECT. Like I love the contrast and the golds on the clean but i love the colour cohesion and, well, griminess of the grimy one.
I think I would prefer selective placement of the streak and grime, perhaps just the armour with the skin and hair left clean and bright for a contrast. I do prefer the brighter colouring of the clean version, but personally may have muted the red a little bit. But very cool bust and paint job, I need to get that stl when I get my printer back. And the second sketch method result is super cool, love how that turned out. Would like to see more videos with that approach.
I absolutely love the last one, but they all look great. these videos make me want to buy a few kits and practice, even started to have ideas for a custom army my self
I like the ebauche method for the same reason: basecoating is boring. But after an erratic wetblend over the whole model I like to use washes to bring out the shadows and finish with some highlights to tame the result a little. Not too much though, I like my minis dark and gloomy.
clean here > grimy, there's definitely a slippery slope with weathering, easy to go too far, easy to not keep it within the scale of the model. variations of weathering help as well, looks like this just got a wash of agrax earthshade - check out michael rinaldi's work!
Streak and grime is a really good way to bring colors into a specific tone, but I can't lie and say I'm not a huge sucker for well-placed colors and poppy details. I tend to paint brighter and more spritly in my pallette. My favorite "cheat" is using brighter but less saturated off-colors for highlights and the same but darker for shadows. So for a mini with primarily red tones, I might shade or gradient with purples, and hit the top bits with oranges. But in a pinch, if you've got a bunch of grungy big bear men, or a horde of skeletons, streak and grime is absolutely the way to go to get a set of great looking game pieces.
loved the gradients in the last one, has a more arty/original feeling. But Great job guys, hope this Murray lasts and that you don't have to order another xD
Murray's second bust looks sick; it's like impressionism meets models. I'm totally gonna try doing something like that with some copper armor and weaponry patina on my High Elves.
As much as I like the nice, bright colours of the "clean" look...my brain always comes back to these warriors are in the middle of a war...and dirty, or I guess the more grim dark look is what I tend to like in Warhammer at the moment! But, other models I would still totally go bright and shiny...just depends on the setting! Anyways, love the job done on both busts...and I found the second a very interesting approach...don't know if I would have ever thought to paint a model in that manner!
i like both, to me the difference is the first one is kind of a character card look where everything is colour-true and fresh off the production line, the second one is how you would see that character in action
Great to see you back Jazza, hope your young one is well. Murray OMG your an awesome artist. Jazza its time to give Murray a night out of the cupboard.
Will there be any Murray painting tutorials? Well done Murray, I prefer for lack of better term or correct spelling of the French method. What Murray said!! I like the artistic approach as it lets the model or bust look more than a toy/action figure. Great job on both, just prefer the Murray method!!
Clean look is better in this example. In particular on the hair. That being said, it works well on other models such as standard space marines with closed helmets and standard minis. The streak and grime has just made the bust look like it has been in a sandstorm - total opposite of the Space Bear homelands.
I LOVE the detailed version, very, well... detailed The sketched version though. So dramatic! Awesome! Murray has some stones on him to pull that off. Good work sir!
The bright side of streaking grime is you can still go back and remove most of it, even now. The first clean look is much better but a happy compromise would be removing most especially on all the flat panels to get some colour back. It would still look grim dark but where it is meant to while bringing back some pop
I usually prefer a grimier look, but I have to say the clean version looked more appealing. just feel like it took out too much dimension from the skin and hair, but I liked how it looked on the shield and metal areas. The Ébauche method looked amazing. The outcome is something really unique.
Excellent bust paintjob and really cool chapter. However you can see in the finished result that Streaking Grime needs really high contrast before applying it. Even more than usual. But I am also a Grimeoholic!
I love Murray's sketch approach to the bust, it gives it so much drama and actually feels more realistic. (I'm sorry jazza the streak and grime is too much, it's boom arm obsession V2.)
I do like the steak and grime, but I think it can easily go overboard if you’re not careful, but it’s nice to see that crispy clean look sometimes. Both look great!
the grime is a two-edged sword. it looks really good for the metallics, though the shield should have been cleaned a tiny bit more, especially on the spikes, but it adds depth to details like the bionics on the arm and the chains around the shield. i prefer the hair and fur as it was without the grime, it looked more reflektive and lively without the darkening
I think it's really important to consider YOUR end-goals for a miniature. A lot of the more "artistic" miniature painters I see popularized on RUclips tend to make minis that have only a single light source illuminating them, similar to the Ebauche bust which has a bright, warm light source to the bottom right of the front of it. The issue is that on an army, you are often times seeing the miniatures from multiple directions. This situation is where in my opinion the 'Eavy Metal style really shines, as it makes it so that your army looks good on the tabletop regardless of the angle it is to the viewer.
The "clean" version is great if you want it to look like it came right out of a comic book or video game; the "grimed" version looks more realistic, like someone you might encounter in the real world. There are advantages to both, and the aesthetic works for different people.
The grime obsession can sometimes be a bit much but it's magic with the space bears. You started black but it reads more dark brown with the streak grime and that's alot better in my honest opinion.
For me? Grim everything - i finished my MCFalane Sororitas and Grim her completly.. i love this style and it added so much live to the mini. I looks more like the figure was out in the environment and if you want you could easly polish out the highlights again with some paper.
I think you need to pick and choose your battles with the streaking grime. You definitely go a little overboard, but having it just in the metallic recesses and some of the lower parts of the model is always a good look, as well as any machinery that gets a lot of use, but not much repair.
Sketched look for sure :) refreshing take on painting things up. Very nice to see colors being used in another way. Feels good. I will for sure try this out on my minis. Could work nicely with oils i guess. Concerning the grime: imo maybe a bit less on hair and face and play a bit more with the amount you leave on in certain points. Cheers for nice vid :) ;)
I think that the streaking grime is great in its own way but not everything needs it, having a clean look with the colours popping looks great. both have good uses, maybe trying to be a bit more selective about where the streaking grime is going on bigger things might make them look better; having the bust all grimy looks alright but having some cleaner spots on it in select spots would look good.
the heavy metal aka clean look is in my opinion great for mini's and you captian/commander for the boardgame where your mini's have a contrast to the dulled out colors of most terrain (grey green brown) But the èbauche method is real cool for busts and when you want to make statue terrain pieces, again this is my opinion and yours may vary that's why the world is interesting and filled with art :)
I personally prefer the Grimey bear, the other one looks to clean for my tastes believe it or not. plus, it really ties all the colours together without losing too much contrast.
Definitely prefer the clean look the colour contrast is great. That being said I do like the way streak and grime can really bring an army together
i also agree here but i do believe that maybe limit the grime if one wants it on the bust
@@gatornrl1556 yeah I feel the bust really shined with sharp clean colours
🐻Jazz’a needs to get bear miniatures and use the fenrir wolves rules 🐻
Does he say what he uses to create the grimey version? I'd love to try some! :)
@@GabrielGrechkovik streaking grime by AK interactive, great stuff but definitly recomend watching some tutorails on it first as it is not a standard paint.
Personally, I think the clean version looks better as a bust. As for actual miniatures, I would prefer the grimed version.
In this case I think grime works on some bits of the bust better than others. On the red and bronze of the shoulders it's great, on the beard and human hair it is also great, brings some warmth, but I would've held off on some of the grey armor. Just my opinion, both looked great
Tbh, the snow would clean them. Without the grime looks better.
Spoken like someone who has never experienced a winter in the American Midwest...
@@andrewamann2821 I have...
I think both leaving it clean and having the streak and grime have their advantages. However if you could find a middle ground between them, I think you will be hitting gold. 👌🏻
The power of the grim is limiting yourself. It looks amazing when a model isn't just dunked in the solution.
I liked the "sketched" version of the bust.
Regarding the grime: I would put it on anything but skin and hair. Sometimes it looks as if it mutes everything to much, killing the details even after being pushed back with the cleanup step. And I think it would increase contrast in the mini. Maybe it's only in this bigger scale that it makes a difference though.
This sums up my opinion perfecty. The armour was improved, the shield looked sick. The face and hair... a little faded. Especially after all that effort building up the highlights.
The second painting method is very similar to CraftWorld Studio, they do a very interesting under painting to establish tones and lighting
It's not 'underpainting'.
@@WardenOfTerra someone didn't study well in school did they
You've gotta know when to hold em, man. You can't just grime everything up
The couple over at Craftworld Studio are amazing at this second technique. Sometimes they end up with more "sketchy" finich, just like you, and other times they basicly finish the miniature as normal and use this skething step for the shadows and undertones. Love it see it done well here too!
I love Streaking Grime and love the end result after griming personally, adds a lovely matte complexion and realism.
But I believe for a bust like this preserving the contrast has it's merits too.
Omg, the Ebauche version is incredible! I love the richness of colour on every part of the model, along with the dramatic highlights! It really brings the model to life!
For the streaking grime, I think it works better on miniatures or on certain areas of larger sculpts like that. While it looks great on the metallic parts of the armor, I feel like it took away too much of the contrast in the face and fur, making it all sorta mush together in one blobby shape
I like the streaking grime but I think with the space bears it's a classic case of less is more and there was just too much on the bust and it lost too much of the contrast.
We want more variety for the chapter! More interpretations of other unit types! So far you've only done lightning claw guys, spread out into the other specializations!!! Tanks, aircraft, heavy weapon specialists, honor guard! I want to see them all!
Bikes with bear motives would be dope! A Librarian, Chaplain and a Apothecary are AWESOME options too!
I like the clean version more than the grimed one!
Wow, that ébauche method is fantastic! Definitely appeals to me with my inability to be perfectly neat and "paint within the lines". Magnifique!
These goddamn space bear videos are killing me. I'm envious. The models the lore, everything about them is amazing. I want to play against your army Jazza! I play Eldar and blood angels.
They have both come out amazing! I think a happy medium between clean and grime would be the winner.
I think they need the grime *BUT* some chipping and other weathering effects are needed to really sell the look rather than it just looking more brown.
For the first one, the streaking adds depth, but should not feel all over. The second one is just amazing and feels like craftworld studios style of painting which is such an amazing look.
As for the heavy metal look, you might want to check out infernalbrush, who is a former heavy metal team painter showing some of their recipes and techniques.
that second one looks sooooooo good! omg this changed my mind about mini painting I already thought it was awesome but now he created like an impresionistic style of mini painting, so awesome
Oh wow, Ebauche is honestly a totally new way for me to think about painting minis, i really want to try that now
Go check the channel of Squidmar, the video named "GOD TIER ways to use COLORS - With Craftworld". It’s a similar approach.
I think somewhere in the middle between clean and your grime would be the sweet spot.
Here is the issue I have with Jazza's streaking grim usage. Yes it helps in a lot of ways, however you need to go back and touch up the highlights an maybe even some elements of the mid tone areas especially on a bust.
The other bust by Murray simply needs more shadowing and shading to reach that next level of looking realistic but paraid looking clean armor.
But in the end all three look great and both of you should be very proud of your work!
I love the sketchy version. Really nice to see something new that I haven’t seen before
I think somewhere in the middle of clean and grimy would be PERFECT. Like I love the contrast and the golds on the clean but i love the colour cohesion and, well, griminess of the grimy one.
I'm vibing the painterly method. That colour grading and shifting is awesome. Very cool
Jazza's gonna try streak n' grime on ébauche, no doubt.
I think I would prefer selective placement of the streak and grime, perhaps just the armour with the skin and hair left clean and bright for a contrast. I do prefer the brighter colouring of the clean version, but personally may have muted the red a little bit. But very cool bust and paint job, I need to get that stl when I get my printer back.
And the second sketch method result is super cool, love how that turned out. Would like to see more videos with that approach.
I just started printing my bust yesterday! planning on painting it over the weekend
So I have a space wolf army and holy crap this is sick. Jazza u r seriously the best my dude
I absolutely love the last one, but they all look great. these videos make me want to buy a few kits and practice, even started to have ideas for a custom army my self
I like the ebauche method for the same reason: basecoating is boring. But after an erratic wetblend over the whole model I like to use washes to bring out the shadows and finish with some highlights to tame the result a little. Not too much though, I like my minis dark and gloomy.
clean here > grimy, there's definitely a slippery slope with weathering, easy to go too far, easy to not keep it within the scale of the model. variations of weathering help as well, looks like this just got a wash of agrax earthshade - check out michael rinaldi's work!
Streak and grime is a really good way to bring colors into a specific tone, but I can't lie and say I'm not a huge sucker for well-placed colors and poppy details. I tend to paint brighter and more spritly in my pallette.
My favorite "cheat" is using brighter but less saturated off-colors for highlights and the same but darker for shadows. So for a mini with primarily red tones, I might shade or gradient with purples, and hit the top bits with oranges.
But in a pinch, if you've got a bunch of grungy big bear men, or a horde of skeletons, streak and grime is absolutely the way to go to get a set of great looking game pieces.
Whoa! That Murray Method bust looks fantastic. Having said that, the clean and grimy busts look pretty amazing too.
You dont have to put streaking grime on everything, maybe just certain patches
Murray’s method looks more Grim Dark than the standard method even with the streak and grime
Will there be a version of the bust available that has the Native American head rather than the big beardy one?
loved the gradients in the last one, has a more arty/original feeling. But Great job guys, hope this Murray lasts and that you don't have to order another xD
I love the ebauche look! I'd like to learn more about what makes Ebauche minis tho.
Honestly, yeah. I would be really fascinated with his process and find how it went from underpaint to rich colors
I think that the left is nicer. The grimy one lacks that pop factor.
That was pretty incredible. I could not for the life of me envision how that second bust was going to come together, but good lord!
You should do a marathon charity live stream where everyone speed paints as much of their pile of shame as possible!
Murray's second bust looks sick; it's like impressionism meets models. I'm totally gonna try doing something like that with some copper armor and weaponry patina on my High Elves.
I really love the second one he did
I definitely am gonna try that on the next bust I paint
As much as I like the nice, bright colours of the "clean" look...my brain always comes back to these warriors are in the middle of a war...and dirty, or I guess the more grim dark look is what I tend to like in Warhammer at the moment! But, other models I would still totally go bright and shiny...just depends on the setting!
Anyways, love the job done on both busts...and I found the second a very interesting approach...don't know if I would have ever thought to paint a model in that manner!
OMG that hot water tip is life changing!!
I'd love to see you all doing your own kitbashed and custom kill teams and armies! For both 40k or AoS! I'd be so cool!
i like both, to me the difference is the first one is kind of a character card look where everything is colour-true and fresh off the production line, the second one is how you would see that character in action
Great to see you back Jazza, hope your young one is well. Murray OMG your an awesome artist. Jazza its time to give Murray a night out of the cupboard.
Man, I love this chapter. And would be absolutlly sick if you could create a custom Dreadnought for the chapter. That would be amazing
Will there be any Murray painting tutorials? Well done Murray, I prefer for lack of better term or correct spelling of the French method. What Murray said!! I like the artistic approach as it lets the model or bust look more than a toy/action figure. Great job on both, just prefer the Murray method!!
Clean look is better in this example. In particular on the hair. That being said, it works well on other models such as standard space marines with closed helmets and standard minis.
The streak and grime has just made the bust look like it has been in a sandstorm - total opposite of the Space Bear homelands.
I prefer the clean version. On busts clean. On tabletop models streak and grime.
I LOVE the detailed version, very, well... detailed
The sketched version though. So dramatic! Awesome! Murray has some stones on him to pull that off. Good work sir!
Wow the second one is crazy good given some great tips n tricks thank you
I think that murrys approach worked really well for the shield and armour and and adds a lot of depth but I prefer the clean look for the faces.
I think a combination of the two methods could produce some stunning results.
The bright side of streaking grime is you can still go back and remove most of it, even now. The first clean look is much better but a happy compromise would be removing most especially on all the flat panels to get some colour back.
It would still look grim dark but where it is meant to while bringing back some pop
I usually prefer a grimier look, but I have to say the clean version looked more appealing. just feel like it took out too much dimension from the skin and hair, but I liked how it looked on the shield and metal areas. The Ébauche method looked amazing. The outcome is something really unique.
Excellent bust paintjob and really cool chapter. However you can see in the finished result that Streaking Grime needs really high contrast before applying it. Even more than usual. But I am also a Grimeoholic!
streaking grime is awesome but you gotta go back in and add a bit more pop after doing your enamels.
Would love to see a video looking at how to go about the ebauche method in more detail please.
I love Murray's sketch approach to the bust, it gives it so much drama and actually feels more realistic.
(I'm sorry jazza the streak and grime is too much, it's boom arm obsession V2.)
Seeing side by side i like it without the streaking grime but i think thats just me liking how the colors pop
I do like the steak and grime, but I think it can easily go overboard if you’re not careful, but it’s nice to see that crispy clean look sometimes. Both look great!
the grime is a two-edged sword. it looks really good for the metallics, though the shield should have been cleaned a tiny bit more, especially on the spikes, but it adds depth to details like the bionics on the arm and the chains around the shield. i prefer the hair and fur as it was without the grime, it looked more reflektive and lively without the darkening
What were the busts printed on, at what layer height? PS - I don't think he needed any streaking grime in this case.
I think it's really important to consider YOUR end-goals for a miniature. A lot of the more "artistic" miniature painters I see popularized on RUclips tend to make minis that have only a single light source illuminating them, similar to the Ebauche bust which has a bright, warm light source to the bottom right of the front of it. The issue is that on an army, you are often times seeing the miniatures from multiple directions. This situation is where in my opinion the 'Eavy Metal style really shines, as it makes it so that your army looks good on the tabletop regardless of the angle it is to the viewer.
The "clean" version is great if you want it to look like it came right out of a comic book or video game; the "grimed" version looks more realistic, like someone you might encounter in the real world. There are advantages to both, and the aesthetic works for different people.
The grime obsession can sometimes be a bit much but it's magic with the space bears. You started black but it reads more dark brown with the streak grime and that's alot better in my honest opinion.
I really like the ébauche painting style, it's something I haven't seen before, I enjoy the originality (but I'm French so maybe I'm biased lol)
The grime look made the model muddy. The crisper clean version was much more enjoyable and interesting to look at.
The second one is incredible
ebouche method is so cool in my eyes really stands out to me
"One super niche, very Khorne-y and fun dumb thing" Well now I need to know what chaos space bears might look like
If it’s brown, lie down...
If it’s black, fight back...
If it’s white, goodnight...
If it's chaos? You will not Prevail...
That Ebauche paint is siiiick. Like, knockout good.
Clean looks much better in this case. I often like the streaking grime more, but this time it fell short.
I would apply the grime over certain elements like the claws and the sheild. But I wouldn't completely coat the bust though. Still love the style!
I love streaking grime too, I always want everything looking old and battered. I think on this bust I just would have been a lot more sparing.
For me? Grim everything - i finished my MCFalane Sororitas and Grim her completly.. i love this style and it added so much live to the mini. I looks more like the figure was out in the environment and if you want you could easly polish out the highlights again with some paper.
I love the artsy one! The grime is cool but maybe bump up the contrast so it still pops!
Like both of them but i feel like the grime one would benefit a lot from having some snow addet to it
The clean speaks to me more
I think you need to pick and choose your battles with the streaking grime. You definitely go a little overboard, but having it just in the metallic recesses and some of the lower parts of the model is always a good look, as well as any machinery that gets a lot of use, but not much repair.
Sketched look for sure :) refreshing take on painting things up. Very nice to see colors being used in another way. Feels good. I will for sure try this out on my minis. Could work nicely with oils i guess. Concerning the grime: imo maybe a bit less on hair and face and play a bit more with the amount you leave on in certain points. Cheers for nice vid :) ;)
I see space bears, I click.
Also, they definitely spend their free time planning dad jokes and just wait for opportunities to use them.
I like them both.
I think that the streaking grime is great in its own way but not everything needs it, having a clean look with the colours popping looks great. both have good uses, maybe trying to be a bit more selective about where the streaking grime is going on bigger things might make them look better; having the bust all grimy looks alright but having some cleaner spots on it in select spots would look good.
I love streaking grime, mostly because ive watched your videos about it, so i painted almost 2500 points of deathwatch with streaking grime 🔥
I keep thinking about doing a retheming of the bears to be more of focused on polar bears with shifted coloration there
will the busts head change to be more the native american styled heads we saw in the last video? or stay the more viking look?
the heavy metal aka clean look is in my opinion great for mini's and you captian/commander for the boardgame where your mini's have a contrast to the dulled out colors of most terrain (grey green brown) But the èbauche method is real cool for busts and when you want to make statue terrain pieces, again this is my opinion and yours may vary that's why the world is interesting and filled with art :)
I'm just waiting for Space Bear specific units, maybe vehicles or something rad like that! Loving all of this regardless!
The grime looks good on the armor but less so on the face. I think you need a mix of grime and no grime. Looks great either way!
I’d love to see a more in depth video on the second bust. It just looks amazing
I personally prefer the Grimey bear, the other one looks to clean for my tastes believe it or not.
plus, it really ties all the colours together without losing too much contrast.
Any plans for more Space Bear stuff? I'd love to make a whole army of those lovely blokes.