Fun fact about that improvised cardboard flooring, that was made out of the traders' boxes without their knowledge, so not only did they have to carry their stuff a quarter of a mile to the site, a bunch of them had nothing to carry their stuff back in because the festival staff had stolen and destroyed their boxes.
The emphasis on mobility aid access from commenters on this is super touching. As a wheelchair user it makes me happy to see the number of people rallying behind that point.
Yeah absolutely. Last time I went to an event like this they looked at my cane at checkin and basically said I should go home because their event wasn't for people like me (did not offer my money back). I still managed, but what the fuck. People like us are so much of an afterthought that they only realize ON THE DAY WHEN WE ARE DIRECTLY INFRONT OF THEM. It's insane
i watched videos from craft youtubers when the event happened, from what i gather the fiber arts community has lots of disabled members so its not entirely a shock that many attendees were looking at what sort of accommodations were set up for their disabled peers, there are longer videos on the disaster from people who are familiar with the community and event that are very interesting
there's a huge community of disabled fiber artists (myself included!) since it's such a low-intensity hobby, so if an event for fiber artists isn't accessible it gets a LOT of attention in our space lol
this is truly unsurprising btw, because a massive chunk of the crafting community is disabled themselves. she likely kept at least 30% of the attendees from having an accessible event, at the LOW end
The last time I went to a convention I ended up with awful fibromyalgia pain in my feet and legs because my dumb ass wore secondhand cosplay boots with no tread on a slippery convention hall floor. I cannot *imagine* trying to navigate a crowded event situated on a muddy hill. What a nightmare.
i hate to word it like this but as a person apart of the “yarn community” 😭😭😭 the organizers themselves should have been aware that these handmade crafts will be destroyed by the weather. honestly needs to be inside. someone with no care or consideration made this event
and they similarly should know how important accessibility is at an event like this! a major part of the... 'yarn community' are disabled/elderly because of the type of hobby it is. why they didn't cater for that is beyond me!
As long as the transactions cleared and their insurance covered rain they don't care. I'm curious to know how they figured their claim, if the individual vendors were supposed to handle the event re: their own business/homeowner insurance and which carriers actually paid claims, this whole thing is an enormous test of the "craft circuit" insurance writers and the way they handle disasters like this.... And I wonder about a class-action suit, this was absolutely avoidable, even right up to the gate. "So sorry, we have to send you home. It's not safe today. We will email you all before midnight, but we have to clear out so we can get dry and figure out how to fix this. We're so sorry, we will do everything we can as soon as possible to let everyone know what's going on. OK, thanks, bye!" "Hi, So sorry, we have to send you home, it's not safe today....."
Definitely does, when you’re coped up at home arts and crafts is really nice. It’s good exercise for your hands too !! Feels good to make something, and it’s usable! Can also be a source of income. Also knitting and crocheting can be extremely time consuming… You know who has a lot of time usually.. Us disabled folk. Don’t have places to go to to take up time
@@honeybee2525 my little autistic hands (ft dysrhythmia) struggle with this but I know so many folks who have limited use of other limbs or are otherwise stuck in bed a lot that love it
@@honeybee2525 yeah, whenever im overwhelmed from all the sensory stuff and my hands feel like they need to get to work, i usually just draw or crochet. im autistic so most of my things usually have something to do with my special interests haha
@@felixt808 I do jewelry making!! I love the feel of pliers in my hands and I can make bracelets based on my fav characters :3 im audhd so my adhd fixations r usually on crafts or activities and the autism fixations are on characters and animals!!!
My sister is really into knitting so I was excited to call her up and talk to her about this and she said that this is such old news and she's surprised anybody's talking about it. You made me look lame in front of my knitting obsessed sister...
lol that’s so funny 😂 it is kinda old news cause the buzz was all happening in the, like, week after it happened and then no one talked about it for ages
It's sad because the Sheep & Wool Festival in Rhinebeck NY is highly successful and has been around for a long time. I have great memories of going there as a kid. It's clear that they were trying to take advantage of the popularity of Sheep & Wool, and I hope this shit show doesn't hurt Sheep & Wool's reputation by association.
There are a few other very successful and well run yarn festivals adjacent to Rhinebeck started by indi yarn dyers who couldn’t get a booth at Rhinebeck. Everyone who was at this festival or who is in the community of people who would know about this festival knows it wasn’t affiliated with Rinebeck. We still hold Rhinebeck in the highest esteem!
Hell, even my hometown in TN had two separate annual yarn events that go pretty well. One indoors, and one indoor/outdoor where they’d have like certain panels and such outside but the actual booths were inside old cabins
THANK YOU for explicitly pointing out the inaccessibility of the situation! And esp pointing out that it's bad enough if you're able-bodied -- I think a lot of ppl straight up forget about mobility aid users, and when they are considered, they aren't considered *enough* or are not asked what might be needed to make the event accessible. Anyways, thanks for being cool and evil!
I got a couple of bad herniated discs putting huge pressure on some nerve ends . This makes me struggle walking, carrying stuff, I need benches to rest on and the chronic pain is horrible. I’m on strong pain killers and still struggle to walk. (I’m having surgery this fall). I’ve lived like this for 1,5 year and it’s opened my eyes SOOOO MUCH when it comes to accessibility etc. My closest grocery store got renovated and suddenly the cat food is behind a damn concrete pillar which I can’t reach anymore because of pain and lack of mobility. This is just a tiny detail but I notice all the details now. I can’t believe people in 2024 still don’t recognize different needs and still don’t make stuff accesible for everyone. I mean just shut up and take my money right?! Don’t they want my disabled dollars? Lol. I have HUGE respect for everyone living with a disability, they’re the most badass people on this planet. ❤ Edit: I’m not a native English speaker so let me know if ‘disabled’ is the wrong term to use! ❤
Yeah my grandma needs a chair now, and I was shocked by how poorly designed most things are! Once I had to push my grandma to a disabled entrance that was only accessible through a large stretch of chunky gravel. She was in pain crossing it, and an independent wheelchair user would likely have got stuck.
disabled isnt a dirty word! youre using the right word :) damn though, sorry about the stuff you're going through. best luck for fall! really hope your surgery goes well!
long queues, swamp like conditions, poor organisation and rain, you can't get anymore festival like if you tried. All it seems to be missing is the most disgusting toilets you've ever seen.
The swamp like conditions is actually something that's normal for the area. I'm surprised these organizers didn't already know this was a huge possibility
emma in the moment covered this story in depth if you're interested, but iirc there were issues with the bathrooms too. there weren't enough, they were hard to find, and the lines were super long. i think it was mostly, if not all, porta potties too 😭
Evil Pinely summer crime list - pirating anime - stealing from big grocery stores - wearing a mask in public (yes that is becoming illegal where I live) - 2 counts of arson
Re banning masks- I’m so glad, for once, that I live in a forest fire state and sometimes you can see chunks in the air so even magas with asthma wear masks occasionally.
Geekgirlcon is my absolute favorite convention of all time. Ive been going every year for over a decade. It was founded in response to the gamer bro culture that was prevalent in most cons in the 2010 era of cons. Its focus is on elevating minority voices in geek spaces. Its relatively low key wnd ive allways enjoyed it and will sing it praises for hours
this isnt a convention but i went to an onion festival this weekend. i dont like onions but i got a grilled cheese sandwich and there was a stand with frogs and snakes (not for buying) and another guy who taught people about invasive lilypads (also not for buying). onion festivals are perhaps pretty cool and id recommend them maybe
As a rabid knitter and also lover of watching dumpster fire festivals unfold, I distinctly remember this. It was the "Fyre Fest" of knitting. The "Fyber Fest" if you will.
for evil pinely summer my wisdom teeth grew in perfectly just to TRIGGER the WOKE LEFT who had to have theirs TAKEN OUT because they can't handle FACTS and LOGIC and WISDOM!!
I’m not super experienced with conventions but *Lightbox Expo* in Pasadena CA has been really fun to attend!! It’s a convention for those involved in the animation industry and has the best artist alley I’ve ever seen!! You get a mix of every corner of the animation world from RUclipsrs and Instagram celebs to industry veterans to students, major studios, schools and recruiters. I’m actually tabling this year and super nervous. Never done anything like this before and the standard is damn high! This year it’ll be from 25-27 October and I can’t wait! Amanda from Swell actually went last year if anyone wants a video about the event. Seriously, if you want affordable art from some of the most skilled artists out there, you should check this one out :)
As a wheelchair user, this sounds like a nightmare. I hate that so many things are inaccessible to us. And this seems like something I would enjoy wandering around
The Bristol Renaissance Fair is a yearly event that never disappoints. There's a whip master, falconer, and other great events. The worst convention I went to was Star Wars Celebration 3. The line for merch was 8 hours long and since I'm a nerd I needed the exclusive Darth Vader action figure that had exclusive phrases from James Earl Jones. But other than that. Most conventions I go to now like the Midwest Gaming Classic in Milwaukee are well run and it's a great time.
I have a lot of experience with tabletop game conventions/events, and I've been to some pretty fun/well run ones on that front! Also some great zine fests/small press-focused art events. LA Zine Fest, Seattle Zine Fest, and Short Run Comix and Art Expo are all events I'd strongly recommend to a friend. Seattle Zine Fest is new this year, I tabled at it and made more than I'd ever made at a zine fest before. There were *zero* tabling fees for vendors, high quality masks were required, air purifiers were running, and there were staff circulating regularly with masks and ice water to make sure vendors and attendees were comfy and hydrated. Made it feel a lot more safe and accessible, and there was great communication about event logistics from the organizers as well.
(Sorry this is long & a bit personal… 😭😭😭) I’ve been watching your videos semi-regularly for a while now. And I also knit, so this video really piqued my interest!! This is quite personal, but I’m also physically disabled. So I really appreciated how you brought up how inaccessible this con was, for its disabled attendees! ❤️ One of the reasons I love knitting as much as I do, is because it’s such an accessible hobby! (And unfortunately, the world is usually quite inaccessible to me. So that makes me appreciate that about it even more!) This is even more personal (talking about my specific physical problems…) but, I have quite severe balance issues. (And I also have epilepsy...) So I legit have to use a walker whenever I go to a public place of any kind!!! 😭😭 ^But the thing is, I’m young. And my legs still “work.” And I guess I also don’t really “look disabled” (if you took away my walker at least…😭) either. (Or whatever “looking disabled” means, anyway…💀💀) ^And because of that, able-bodied people, (especially the ones around my age, in my experience…) often overestimate my abilities. They’ll assume I’m exaggerating. (or even sometimes that I’m “faking it” altogether!) And obviously, that’s very hurtful to hear! TL;DR Knitting’s there for me when the world isn’t. And I just really appreciated the compassion you showed throughout this video towards disabled people! ❤ (Even if you didn’t talk about it thaaat much) Because sadly, many able-bodied people don’t talk about/ listen to our struggles at all.
A festival I love attending is the BiAnnual fiddle festival at Barberville. It’s an old pioneer settlement in the middle of Florida. Super cool history, authentic folk music, crafts, and some vendors as well. I always have such a great time when I go.
I work a whole convention circuit and there's quite a few great cons. My favorite is MAGfest. It's East Coast so you might not be able to get out to it but it's Music Art and Games and there's a great vendor space, security is good, staff is helpful and nice, the congoers are great. It's got card games and rpgs and a huge room of arcade machines brought by collectors to be played for free by everyone. There's LAN games and games projected onto walls. There's concerts to attend and musicians set up throughout the halls just jamming. There's a great artist's alley. There's a bunch of cool cosplay, you get everything from video game characters to anime to tv shows. It's basically just a fun con for nerdy people and the hotel/con center is huge and has plenty of room. Even when it's crowded I've never felt unsafe. So if I can recommend just one con to you, it's MAGfest. Happens in January!
If you're in Toronto, I recommend the Toronto Comic Arts Festival - it's a huge comic con featuring only independent comic artists and it's been FREE to attend since it began. Its run by a guy who owns a legendary local comic store and it takes place inside a reference library
I did not have you covering this on my bingo card but as a huge fibre arts lover and artist I’m excited that you are, it was wildly bad and hi still think about it even though it’s been awhile!
the Houston quilt festival has been great all the times I've been. They have all sorts of vendors and displays, you can sign up for classes for different crafts or lessons, they do a lot more than just quilting stuff. I'm not a quilter and haven't personally signed up for any classes, but just walking through all the booths and seeing what it has to offer is a really fun experience. It's super big too, like I spent multiple days walking through it and still didn't see everything. It's all indoors and air conditioned too, definitely recommend
Are you in Houston right now? If so, I hope you’re ok. We still have no power or internet, but fortunately have a generator and my husband turns on his hotspot now and then so I can watch RUclips. A tree took out some of the lines coming to our house and neighbors’ house. It’s gonna take a long time for them to get to us to manually fix it. 😢
@@MegCazalet I’m not in Houston, luckily my family’s all got power and we’re doing well! Thanks for checking, I hope things get sorted out over there and your family gets power back soon!
I've said this before the last time I watched a video about this, the lack of disability access at a yarn event is especially appalling. Crafting of any kind, but especially yarnwork, is really popular with the elderly and people who have disabilities, especially those that affect mobility, because it's very accessible. It's appalling that any event won't take this into consideration, but especially one that has a predominantly huge fanbase with the kind of people who would need it.
I love anime conventions theyre super fun but also there is almost always drama. I think its impossible for a con to not have drama just given how many ppl are usually involved
The Dice Tower Retreat is a blast when it comes to events. Like 5 days of constant board gaming with 200ish other like minded folks. Library of over 1k board games and the organizers (from the Dice Tower youtube channel) are super nice. They do bigger cons and a cruise too but I've only been to the retreat, which I like the smaller size of. Would love it if Amanda from swell entertainment showed up to a DT event lol
Amanda reference!!! I've only been to a few different conventions, but usually they're chill. Comic Con's gotten a lot better over the years. A lot of the anime cons are shitshows, not the convention itself but the drama fallout of what happens at them 😒 I've heard renfaires are fun. Other than that the small local conventions are usually run pretty well, even if they're boring.
Definitely try an oddities convention. Super cool stuff with super cool people! Nicest people I’ve interacted with by far at any event like that, plus everyone you talk to has a neat story
I've been to one convention and it was awesome. Monster Mania Con (I specifically went to the one in New Jersey, but they have them all over). If you're a horror fan I recommend it. The only thing is that both from my event as well as other ones I've heard about- it is kind of common for guests to cancel due to filming and stuff. I'm sure this happens with other cons that have actor-type guests, but it seems like it happens a little extra often there, so buyer beware ig. They do try to replace them with other people, sometimes from the same movie if they can, so I'd say as long as you're planning on seeing like multiple actors and won't be too upset if 1 or 2 aren't there it's good. I had a great time, but like I said, be aware that shit can happen.
I recommend all Makerfaires throughout the country normally they work with local libraries And maker associations. They are so much fun and are nonprofits that work towards teaching children and adults stem, they’ve gotta be my fav cons
The accessibility aspect is _huge_ because one, it should always be a priority, and two, the fiber art/crafting community in particular includes a ton of folks with mobility issues and chronic conditions. This is supposed to be the thing that anybody can participate in. Also I forgot about the stupid podcast tent thing. (No hate to the podcasters themselves, of course.)
As a person with a small business, especially with my co-owner having mobility issues, this shit is my NIGHTMARE!!!! Also, to put into perspective how insane that table fee is for what they got, the most expensive rate I've seen (locally, so YMMV) is ~$450 USD for an indoor 10x10 space. What a mess. I hope the people who put on the festival are able to learn from their mistakes and re-compensate the vendors because it sounds like it has potential to be a good event
This was such niche drama at the time. The closest relation i have to the event is that my wife crochets sometimes. But i followed this drama, at the time it happened, like it was breaking world news 😂😂. Wild. Love that you're bringing it back up because it really was ridiculous.
3:14 "approximately two - no 3 staff" if it's approximately two then the clarification of 3 isn't needed, let alone that you can't have approximately two, because approx. would indicate there is a possibility of one which would question are they might be worried they are seeing double.
It’s like DashCon but for people who knit professionally. Except we can at least laugh at how bad DashCon was a decade later. I don’t think people are gonna look back at this and laugh
i actually kind of think this is worse than dashcon, since this wasn't w&f's first year in operation, so they should've known and done better than this, whereas dashcon was put on by users of the site who had zero experience holding a convention (some of whom were literal teenagers)
Fybre fest drama is honestly just so good always… if you want more, this person “made in the moment” has a really good video on their second channel going through the whole entire process of how this went down
I like going to AWP :) it’s a convention for writers, editors, and publishers. Last time I went, I sat in on panels about Latinx poetry, writers with disabilities, writing and music, comics and graphic novels, and those are the ones that stood out to me the most. They also have a GIANT book fair with publishing houses all over the world!
I've only had experience vending at local pride festivals and that's always been great aside from the extreme heat since it happens in June and I live in Texas. I want to try having a booth at some larger conventions and other events but it can be hard to find them sometimes and to know if it will be a good investment. From a visitor standpoint I definitely recommend checking out smaller local events. It seems like a lot of them get worse as they get bigger but I'm not sure.
I've been organising cons and larps and helped at few film festivals, and I love watching videos about failed events, just to feel a bit better about my failures, because mine are very minor. To organise an event, you either need very detailed plan and highly capable people with years of experience, or you need money to hire those people and solve things by throwing money at the problem. I don't know about US, but in Scandinavia con organisers talk to each other and share knowledge on what has worked and what didn't. There has been a clear culture clash when Worldcon has been in Europe, since the US way of organising cons is a bit.... chaotic, so I'm not surprised by the failures.
You asked about cons and festivals and such that aren't disasters - learning about this and seeing retrospectives on Dashcon lately has been making me feel really grateful/relieved that the local Pride Month event I've been helping to organize for a couple years now has been going as well as it has. It's a much smaller deal and it isn't perfect, but we get more interest every year and improve on our planning and accessibility each time we do it. I'm proud of how much care and effort we put in - and the result that is we consistently get comments from attendees saying how much better they like our little event than the bigger, more corporate competing pride event. 🤭
There are great conventions for bakers such as Cookie Con and So Flo cake and candy expo. Another on the east cost is Jersey Shore Cake and Cookie convention. These all are tailored to a range of interest baking levels, beginners, home bakers and professionals. Regardless of your interests, cool things to see in the vendor hall and then there are always competition cakes and cookies and cool stuff to look at. The good conventions know what their attendees are interested to do and see and take their feedback.
Good conventions: PAX Unplugged and Gencon (board gaming conventions) I’ve only been to each of them once, but they were very fun and well-organized. I’ve also heard good things about Tekko (anime).
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Fun fact about that improvised cardboard flooring, that was made out of the traders' boxes without their knowledge, so not only did they have to carry their stuff a quarter of a mile to the site, a bunch of them had nothing to carry their stuff back in because the festival staff had stolen and destroyed their boxes.
WOW lmao that is such a mess
omg that’s so shitty, i’d be pissed
I would have insisted they moved merchandise for me or gave me new boxes
God I’d be so mad 😭😭😭
@@abcdeisthekey lol based on what the organisation of the event sounded like, im not sure whom exactly you would be "insisting" too.
The emphasis on mobility aid access from commenters on this is super touching. As a wheelchair user it makes me happy to see the number of people rallying behind that point.
Yeah absolutely. Last time I went to an event like this they looked at my cane at checkin and basically said I should go home because their event wasn't for people like me (did not offer my money back). I still managed, but what the fuck. People like us are so much of an afterthought that they only realize ON THE DAY WHEN WE ARE DIRECTLY INFRONT OF THEM. It's insane
i watched videos from craft youtubers when the event happened, from what i gather the fiber arts community has lots of disabled members so its not entirely a shock that many attendees were looking at what sort of accommodations were set up for their disabled peers, there are longer videos on the disaster from people who are familiar with the community and event that are very interesting
there's a huge community of disabled fiber artists (myself included!) since it's such a low-intensity hobby, so if an event for fiber artists isn't accessible it gets a LOT of attention in our space lol
this is truly unsurprising btw, because a massive chunk of the crafting community is disabled themselves. she likely kept at least 30% of the attendees from having an accessible event, at the LOW end
The last time I went to a convention I ended up with awful fibromyalgia pain in my feet and legs because my dumb ass wore secondhand cosplay boots with no tread on a slippery convention hall floor. I cannot *imagine* trying to navigate a crowded event situated on a muddy hill. What a nightmare.
i hate to word it like this but as a person apart of the “yarn community” 😭😭😭 the organizers themselves should have been aware that these handmade crafts will be destroyed by the weather. honestly needs to be inside. someone with no care or consideration made this event
Oh. They 100% did know. They just didn't care much.
ya, the person who organized this pocketed the money for her failing shop so she could move location or something
and they similarly should know how important accessibility is at an event like this! a major part of the... 'yarn community' are disabled/elderly because of the type of hobby it is. why they didn't cater for that is beyond me!
As long as the transactions cleared and their insurance covered rain they don't care. I'm curious to know how they figured their claim, if the individual vendors were supposed to handle the event re: their own business/homeowner insurance and which carriers actually paid claims, this whole thing is an enormous test of the "craft circuit" insurance writers and the way they handle disasters like this....
And I wonder about a class-action suit, this was absolutely avoidable, even right up to the gate.
"So sorry, we have to send you home. It's not safe today. We will email you all before midnight, but we have to clear out so we can get dry and figure out how to fix this. We're so sorry, we will do everything we can as soon as possible to let everyone know what's going on. OK, thanks, bye!"
"Hi, So sorry, we have to send you home, it's not safe today....."
@@eleanorboggs3308 It goes back to the part of the comment you're replying to where they said the organizers didn't care. That's how this happens.
i think the fiber arts community attracts a lot of disabled folks so while it should ALWAYS be a priority, it REALLY should've been considered
Fiber arts 😍
Definitely does, when you’re coped up at home arts and crafts is really nice. It’s good exercise for your hands too !! Feels good to make something, and it’s usable! Can also be a source of income. Also knitting and crocheting can be extremely time consuming… You know who has a lot of time usually.. Us disabled folk. Don’t have places to go to to take up time
@@honeybee2525 my little autistic hands (ft dysrhythmia) struggle with this but I know so many folks who have limited use of other limbs or are otherwise stuck in bed a lot that love it
@@honeybee2525 yeah, whenever im overwhelmed from all the sensory stuff and my hands feel like they need to get to work, i usually just draw or crochet. im autistic so most of my things usually have something to do with my special interests haha
@@felixt808 I do jewelry making!! I love the feel of pliers in my hands and I can make bracelets based on my fav characters :3 im audhd so my adhd fixations r usually on crafts or activities and the autism fixations are on characters and animals!!!
My sister is really into knitting so I was excited to call her up and talk to her about this and she said that this is such old news and she's surprised anybody's talking about it.
You made me look lame in front of my knitting obsessed sister...
Hey look on the bright side, you showed interest in her hobby 😂
Try Emma in the Moment to get timely craft drama (including a deep dive on this)
@@victoria1247 thank you! I subbed
@@victoria1247 i wholeheartedly endorse Emma in the moment. Great channel.
lol that’s so funny 😂 it is kinda old news cause the buzz was all happening in the, like, week after it happened and then no one talked about it for ages
them writing out “two-- no 3” might be the funniest thing i’ve seen today
The stutter and the change of spelling keeps getting me 😭
YESSSS a non craft RUclipsr speaking about my corner of the internet 😂😂
Have you watched the made in the moment video on this? So fun
It's sad because the Sheep & Wool Festival in Rhinebeck NY is highly successful and has been around for a long time. I have great memories of going there as a kid. It's clear that they were trying to take advantage of the popularity of Sheep & Wool, and I hope this shit show doesn't hurt Sheep & Wool's reputation by association.
There are a few other very successful and well run yarn festivals adjacent to Rhinebeck started by indi yarn dyers who couldn’t get a booth at Rhinebeck. Everyone who was at this festival or who is in the community of people who would know about this festival knows it wasn’t affiliated with Rinebeck. We still hold Rhinebeck in the highest esteem!
Hell, even my hometown in TN had two separate annual yarn events that go pretty well. One indoors, and one indoor/outdoor where they’d have like certain panels and such outside but the actual booths were inside old cabins
I’m so excited to go to Rhinebeck this year! I only live about 2ish hours away :)
forget brat summer, its evil pinely summer
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@@is.a.bell.a8700 HAHAGAHA
Brat summer?
@@sheepgrass500 Charlie xcx
No it's hölmö tyttö kesä
I recommend the Wooly Worm Festival in North Carolina. People race cute fluffy caterpillars on strings
If I lived closer! My daughter loves those things. She's 17, lol.
That sounds like a blast tbh!
Omfg that sounds so fun
Pinely and Made in the Moment crossover when???
no fr bc that would hit so hard
+1
I just watched their video on the subject 2 days ago and did a double take to see if it was reading Pinely’s title correctly, lol.
I WAS JUST THINKING THIS
Yes, please! I follow both, and I think their humour would be a great fit
THANK YOU for explicitly pointing out the inaccessibility of the situation! And esp pointing out that it's bad enough if you're able-bodied -- I think a lot of ppl straight up forget about mobility aid users, and when they are considered, they aren't considered *enough* or are not asked what might be needed to make the event accessible. Anyways, thanks for being cool and evil!
I got a couple of bad herniated discs putting huge pressure on some nerve ends . This makes me struggle walking, carrying stuff, I need benches to rest on and the chronic pain is horrible. I’m on strong pain killers and still struggle to walk. (I’m having surgery this fall). I’ve lived like this for 1,5 year and it’s opened my eyes SOOOO MUCH when it comes to accessibility etc. My closest grocery store got renovated and suddenly the cat food is behind a damn concrete pillar which I can’t reach anymore because of pain and lack of mobility. This is just a tiny detail but I notice all the details now. I can’t believe people in 2024 still don’t recognize different needs and still don’t make stuff accesible for everyone. I mean just shut up and take my money right?! Don’t they want my disabled dollars? Lol. I have HUGE respect for everyone living with a disability, they’re the most badass people on this planet. ❤
Edit: I’m not a native English speaker so let me know if ‘disabled’ is the wrong term to use! ❤
Yeah my grandma needs a chair now, and I was shocked by how poorly designed most things are!
Once I had to push my grandma to a disabled entrance that was only accessible through a large stretch of chunky gravel. She was in pain crossing it, and an independent wheelchair user would likely have got stuck.
disabled isnt a dirty word! youre using the right word :) damn though, sorry about the stuff you're going through. best luck for fall! really hope your surgery goes well!
@@felixt808 thank you for info and thank you for your kindness! ✨🫶🏼
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long queues, swamp like conditions, poor organisation and rain, you can't get anymore festival like if you tried. All it seems to be missing is the most disgusting toilets you've ever seen.
The swamp like conditions is actually something that's normal for the area. I'm surprised these organizers didn't already know this was a huge possibility
Specifically those porta-potties that manage to gather a concerning amount of pine needles in them
emma in the moment covered this story in depth if you're interested, but iirc there were issues with the bathrooms too. there weren't enough, they were hard to find, and the lines were super long. i think it was mostly, if not all, porta potties too 😭
Oh yeah like a few people were stuck vomiting outside in corners from the bathroom issues...@@harusaurus
literally the perfect video to knit to😭 thanks pinely
oh my goodness. this is evil pinely. how did i not realize. just a glimpse into my dark and twisted mind…heh
exactly what i was thinking hahahaa😭
I don't get what the difference is. I mean now I know he has at least two channels but ...?
@@abcdeisthekeycan’t believe you mistook them for each other. one is good and one is evil, duh, they couldn’t be more different
Please tell me you know about the channel Emma in the Moment- they’re the perfect crafting drama channel to work to
We need a crossover between Evil Pinely and Swell Enterteinment. Not just Pinely, but Evil Pinely
i would LOVE a cross over between pinely and evil pinely tbh, would go so hard
oh my god YESS
I would pay for that
Swell Pinely Summer
Evil Pinely summer crime list
- pirating anime
- stealing from big grocery stores
- wearing a mask in public (yes that is becoming illegal where I live)
- 2 counts of arson
Damn that's crazy about it being illegal to wear a mask
add vandalism
@@DazzleQuality no. Don’t want to say which state it is for my own privacy but it is not Florida.
Re banning masks- I’m so glad, for once, that I live in a forest fire state and sometimes you can see chunks in the air so even magas with asthma wear masks occasionally.
what do you mean becoming illegal 😭 that’s wild
Also recommend Emma in the Moment’s deep dive on this festival if you want more deets
Yeah! That was a great video. It was my gateway into the yarn community in general, and Emma's fantastic content in particular. ^^b
Geekgirlcon is my absolute favorite convention of all time. Ive been going every year for over a decade. It was founded in response to the gamer bro culture that was prevalent in most cons in the 2010 era of cons. Its focus is on elevating minority voices in geek spaces. Its relatively low key wnd ive allways enjoyed it and will sing it praises for hours
'Today we're gonna be talking about something that didn't actually happen' - PENCILGATE PTSD
As a follower of both knitting and pinely (benign and otherwise) this is a crossover I never saw coming but am loving!
this isnt a convention but i went to an onion festival this weekend. i dont like onions but i got a grilled cheese sandwich and there was a stand with frogs and snakes (not for buying) and another guy who taught people about invasive lilypads (also not for buying). onion festivals are perhaps pretty cool and id recommend them maybe
😂 That still sounds pretty fun. 😂
As a rabid knitter and also lover of watching dumpster fire festivals unfold, I distinctly remember this. It was the "Fyre Fest" of knitting. The "Fyber Fest" if you will.
For evil pinely summer I have been napping as some guy stole my wisdom teeth, presumably also to celebrate evil pinely summer.
Coincidence? i thiNK NOT
for evil pinely summer my wisdom teeth grew in perfectly just to TRIGGER the WOKE LEFT who had to have theirs TAKEN OUT because they can't handle FACTS and LOGIC and WISDOM!!
I did not expect you to cover this knitting festival but its interesting to see a non crafters take
Ah yes, good ol' FybreFest. Its wild to see Evil Pinely cover it lol.
I’m not super experienced with conventions but *Lightbox Expo* in Pasadena CA has been really fun to attend!!
It’s a convention for those involved in the animation industry and has the best artist alley I’ve ever seen!! You get a mix of every corner of the animation world from RUclipsrs and Instagram celebs to industry veterans to students, major studios, schools and recruiters. I’m actually tabling this year and super nervous. Never done anything like this before and the standard is damn high! This year it’ll be from 25-27 October and I can’t wait!
Amanda from Swell actually went last year if anyone wants a video about the event.
Seriously, if you want affordable art from some of the most skilled artists out there, you should check this one out :)
As a wheelchair user, this sounds like a nightmare. I hate that so many things are inaccessible to us. And this seems like something I would enjoy wandering around
"shrek festival" sounds amazing lmao
its a thing in illinois im p sure
Crocheting to this, committing high treason
loooove TL Yarn Crafts, watching you paint-draw out her descriptions is my favorite part of this video, you are a treasure and so is your imagination
LETS GOOO IVE BEEN REWATCHING ALL EVIL PINELY VIDS TILL NOW
Happy Disability Pride month Everyone!! :D
The Bristol Renaissance Fair is a yearly event that never disappoints. There's a whip master, falconer, and other great events.
The worst convention I went to was Star Wars Celebration 3. The line for merch was 8 hours long and since I'm a nerd I needed the exclusive Darth Vader action figure that had exclusive phrases from James Earl Jones.
But other than that. Most conventions I go to now like the Midwest Gaming Classic in Milwaukee are well run and it's a great time.
SO MANY of us in the fibre art community are disabled. the fact that they didn’t consider the physical accessibility is so disheartening.
I have a lot of experience with tabletop game conventions/events, and I've been to some pretty fun/well run ones on that front! Also some great zine fests/small press-focused art events. LA Zine Fest, Seattle Zine Fest, and Short Run Comix and Art Expo are all events I'd strongly recommend to a friend.
Seattle Zine Fest is new this year, I tabled at it and made more than I'd ever made at a zine fest before. There were *zero* tabling fees for vendors, high quality masks were required, air purifiers were running, and there were staff circulating regularly with masks and ice water to make sure vendors and attendees were comfy and hydrated. Made it feel a lot more safe and accessible, and there was great communication about event logistics from the organizers as well.
Emma in The Moment has a really good in depth video about this whole ordeal there's so much more to it under the surface
There's actually so much juicy drama in the crochet and knitting community! You wouldn't think it would have much but it totally does lol
(Sorry this is long & a bit personal… 😭😭😭)
I’ve been watching your videos semi-regularly for a while now. And I also knit, so this video really piqued my interest!!
This is quite personal, but I’m also physically disabled. So I really appreciated how you brought up how inaccessible this con was, for its disabled attendees! ❤️
One of the reasons I love knitting as much as I do, is because it’s such an accessible hobby! (And unfortunately, the world is usually quite inaccessible to me. So that makes me appreciate that about it even more!)
This is even more personal (talking about my specific physical problems…) but, I have quite severe balance issues. (And I also have epilepsy...)
So I legit have to use a walker whenever I go to a public place of any kind!!! 😭😭
^But the thing is, I’m young. And my legs still “work.” And I guess I also don’t really “look disabled” (if you took away my walker at least…😭) either. (Or whatever “looking disabled” means, anyway…💀💀)
^And because of that, able-bodied people, (especially the ones around my age, in my experience…) often overestimate my abilities.
They’ll assume I’m exaggerating. (or even sometimes that I’m “faking it” altogether!)
And obviously, that’s very hurtful to hear!
TL;DR
Knitting’s there for me when the world isn’t.
And I just really appreciated the compassion you showed throughout this video towards disabled people! ❤ (Even if you didn’t talk about it thaaat much)
Because sadly, many able-bodied people don’t talk about/ listen to our struggles at all.
*Edited to fix typos and add more clarity
A festival I love attending is the BiAnnual fiddle festival at Barberville. It’s an old pioneer settlement in the middle of Florida. Super cool history, authentic folk music, crafts, and some vendors as well. I always have such a great time when I go.
I work a whole convention circuit and there's quite a few great cons. My favorite is MAGfest. It's East Coast so you might not be able to get out to it but it's Music Art and Games and there's a great vendor space, security is good, staff is helpful and nice, the congoers are great. It's got card games and rpgs and a huge room of arcade machines brought by collectors to be played for free by everyone. There's LAN games and games projected onto walls. There's concerts to attend and musicians set up throughout the halls just jamming. There's a great artist's alley. There's a bunch of cool cosplay, you get everything from video game characters to anime to tv shows. It's basically just a fun con for nerdy people and the hotel/con center is huge and has plenty of room. Even when it's crowded I've never felt unsafe. So if I can recommend just one con to you, it's MAGfest. Happens in January!
If you're in Toronto, I recommend the Toronto Comic Arts Festival - it's a huge comic con featuring only independent comic artists and it's been FREE to attend since it began. Its run by a guy who owns a legendary local comic store and it takes place inside a reference library
I did not have you covering this on my bingo card but as a huge fibre arts lover and artist I’m excited that you are, it was wildly bad and hi still think about it even though it’s been awhile!
Love that you’re covering this! I had a close friend and knitting podcaster who was there and it was a nightmare
the Houston quilt festival has been great all the times I've been. They have all sorts of vendors and displays, you can sign up for classes for different crafts or lessons, they do a lot more than just quilting stuff. I'm not a quilter and haven't personally signed up for any classes, but just walking through all the booths and seeing what it has to offer is a really fun experience. It's super big too, like I spent multiple days walking through it and still didn't see everything. It's all indoors and air conditioned too, definitely recommend
Are you in Houston right now? If so, I hope you’re ok. We still have no power or internet, but fortunately have a generator and my husband turns on his hotspot now and then so I can watch RUclips. A tree took out some of the lines coming to our house and neighbors’ house. It’s gonna take a long time for them to get to us to manually fix it. 😢
@@MegCazalet I’m not in Houston, luckily my family’s all got power and we’re doing well! Thanks for checking, I hope things get sorted out over there and your family gets power back soon!
I've said this before the last time I watched a video about this, the lack of disability access at a yarn event is especially appalling. Crafting of any kind, but especially yarnwork, is really popular with the elderly and people who have disabilities, especially those that affect mobility, because it's very accessible. It's appalling that any event won't take this into consideration, but especially one that has a predominantly huge fanbase with the kind of people who would need it.
Fallen Down playing in the background at the end picked me up and tossed me back to middle school 😭👍
have i already watched the long-ass video that made in the moment made on this? yes. did I watch this anyway? also yes
You have to point out that if wool, yarn and other textile venders are stuck in the rain, they are fu cked!
for evil pinely summer i’m getting an education and not being scared to call out of my job for being sick!!
omg i was just listening to this as background while working and i heard my girl toni and i got so excited, she’s a celebrity in the craft community
I love you Mr Pinely please don't die 😢
im so dehydrated and burnt I feel like beef jerky, thank you so much for this life changing motivation mr. evil pinely sir
dude you can't just say sh-t like "EVIL PINELY SUMMER" & deprive us of merch with that on it.
So EEEeeeeEEEEeeeevil are thee, Evil Pinely!
Lol. I'd been wondering when you would mention Amanda(swell ent.) Evil Pinely, the casanova of super women youtubers.
The Wooly Worm festival is a certified hit every year!
You could almost say the knitting community is pretty “knotted up” about this! 😅😅😅
I love anime conventions theyre super fun but also there is almost always drama. I think its impossible for a con to not have drama just given how many ppl are usually involved
The title got me. Excited for this
The Dice Tower Retreat is a blast when it comes to events. Like 5 days of constant board gaming with 200ish other like minded folks. Library of over 1k board games and the organizers (from the Dice Tower youtube channel) are super nice. They do bigger cons and a cruise too but I've only been to the retreat, which I like the smaller size of.
Would love it if Amanda from swell entertainment showed up to a DT event lol
Evil Pinely out here stealing this summer…stealing hearts
Why didn't they name the event "Woolstock" ¿‽
I love how you find the most random ass topics ❤😂
Amanda reference!!! I've only been to a few different conventions, but usually they're chill. Comic Con's gotten a lot better over the years. A lot of the anime cons are shitshows, not the convention itself but the drama fallout of what happens at them 😒 I've heard renfaires are fun. Other than that the small local conventions are usually run pretty well, even if they're boring.
enjoyed the cuphead music in the bg of your vid
Definitely try an oddities convention. Super cool stuff with super cool people! Nicest people I’ve interacted with by far at any event like that, plus everyone you talk to has a neat story
There one in Ventura I was gonna go there but my brother works a lot
5:45 the shitshow before the shitstorm 😂
I've been to one convention and it was awesome. Monster Mania Con (I specifically went to the one in New Jersey, but they have them all over). If you're a horror fan I recommend it. The only thing is that both from my event as well as other ones I've heard about- it is kind of common for guests to cancel due to filming and stuff. I'm sure this happens with other cons that have actor-type guests, but it seems like it happens a little extra often there, so buyer beware ig. They do try to replace them with other people, sometimes from the same movie if they can, so I'd say as long as you're planning on seeing like multiple actors and won't be too upset if 1 or 2 aren't there it's good.
I had a great time, but like I said, be aware that shit can happen.
I recommend all Makerfaires throughout the country normally they work with local libraries And maker associations. They are so much fun and are nonprofits that work towards teaching children and adults stem, they’ve gotta be my fav cons
Accessibility should be a human right, we are lied to all the time about it on top of knowing most places don't accommodate us!
The accessibility aspect is _huge_ because one, it should always be a priority, and two, the fiber art/crafting community in particular includes a ton of folks with mobility issues and chronic conditions. This is supposed to be the thing that anybody can participate in.
Also I forgot about the stupid podcast tent thing. (No hate to the podcasters themselves, of course.)
Usually local little farmers markets or other events, like a concert or pride has good vending, love it
anthrocon is epic. definitely go there
I'm knitting while watching this right now. This is awesome
Too Many Games was a really good time, I went to it June 29th this year!! NY Comic Con used to be fun but I haven't gone since before the pandemic
evil pinely be doing crime with how good he's lookin'
As a person with a small business, especially with my co-owner having mobility issues, this shit is my NIGHTMARE!!!! Also, to put into perspective how insane that table fee is for what they got, the most expensive rate I've seen (locally, so YMMV) is ~$450 USD for an indoor 10x10 space. What a mess. I hope the people who put on the festival are able to learn from their mistakes and re-compensate the vendors because it sounds like it has potential to be a good event
This was such niche drama at the time. The closest relation i have to the event is that my wife crochets sometimes. But i followed this drama, at the time it happened, like it was breaking world news 😂😂. Wild. Love that you're bringing it back up because it really was ridiculous.
3:14 "approximately two - no 3 staff" if it's approximately two then the clarification of 3 isn't needed, let alone that you can't have approximately two, because approx. would indicate there is a possibility of one which would question are they might be worried they are seeing double.
It’s like DashCon but for people who knit professionally. Except we can at least laugh at how bad DashCon was a decade later. I don’t think people are gonna look back at this and laugh
i actually kind of think this is worse than dashcon, since this wasn't w&f's first year in operation, so they should've known and done better than this, whereas dashcon was put on by users of the site who had zero experience holding a convention (some of whom were literal teenagers)
not to objectify evil pinely but can we talk about how good he looks on the thumbnail ?
Respectfully, he looks very handsome indeed
TUNES IN THE PARK is the best and only festival i have ever been to, so i recommend that one
Fybre fest drama is honestly just so good always… if you want more, this person “made in the moment” has a really good video on their second channel going through the whole entire process of how this went down
I like going to AWP :) it’s a convention for writers, editors, and publishers. Last time I went, I sat in on panels about Latinx poetry, writers with disabilities, writing and music, comics and graphic novels, and those are the ones that stood out to me the most. They also have a GIANT book fair with publishing houses all over the world!
I've only had experience vending at local pride festivals and that's always been great aside from the extreme heat since it happens in June and I live in Texas. I want to try having a booth at some larger conventions and other events but it can be hard to find them sometimes and to know if it will be a good investment.
From a visitor standpoint I definitely recommend checking out smaller local events. It seems like a lot of them get worse as they get bigger but I'm not sure.
THE SURF ROCK GOES CRAZY
I've been organising cons and larps and helped at few film festivals, and I love watching videos about failed events, just to feel a bit better about my failures, because mine are very minor. To organise an event, you either need very detailed plan and highly capable people with years of experience, or you need money to hire those people and solve things by throwing money at the problem. I don't know about US, but in Scandinavia con organisers talk to each other and share knowledge on what has worked and what didn't. There has been a clear culture clash when Worldcon has been in Europe, since the US way of organising cons is a bit.... chaotic, so I'm not surprised by the failures.
Who knew there was a knitting fandom?
Karens lol
Yarn drama coming to the main stream???? Love this for us fiber artist s🥰
That was...quite a yarn 🧶
This was HUGE in the knitting community at the time, Made in the moment has a great deep dive video about it
You asked about cons and festivals and such that aren't disasters - learning about this and seeing retrospectives on Dashcon lately has been making me feel really grateful/relieved that the local Pride Month event I've been helping to organize for a couple years now has been going as well as it has. It's a much smaller deal and it isn't perfect, but we get more interest every year and improve on our planning and accessibility each time we do it. I'm proud of how much care and effort we put in - and the result that is we consistently get comments from attendees saying how much better they like our little event than the bigger, more corporate competing pride event. 🤭
This story has all the tea: crafting, terrible management, and bad weather
Love watching other creators talk about the FiberFest
this evil pinely summer can i steal... your heart?
This drama literally got me into knitting last year.
Emma in the moment has a great video about this as well!
There are great conventions for bakers such as Cookie Con and So Flo cake and candy expo. Another on the east cost is Jersey Shore Cake and Cookie convention. These all are tailored to a range of interest baking levels, beginners, home bakers and professionals. Regardless of your interests, cool things to see in the vendor hall and then there are always competition cakes and cookies and cool stuff to look at. The good conventions know what their attendees are interested to do and see and take their feedback.
Good conventions: PAX Unplugged and Gencon (board gaming conventions) I’ve only been to each of them once, but they were very fun and well-organized. I’ve also heard good things about Tekko (anime).