The New Culture Wars | Glenn Loury & Meghan Daum [The Glenn Show]
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- Опубликовано: 21 окт 2024
- What’s new about the culture wars? 1:06
Meghan: “White women are the new white men” 10:08
Reacting vs. responding 16:56
Meghan: Gen Xers had the advantage of second-wave feminist childhoods 22:36
Meghan’s controversial essay on “toxic femininity” 27:18
The different kinds of power men and women have 36:49
The case for and against pussy hats 55:31
Glenn Loury (Watson Institute for International and Public Affairs, Brown University) and Meghan Daum (meghandaum.com)
Recorded November 28, 2019
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There is nobody on the ol' RUclips that is better at representing arguments that he might not even agree with than Glenn. I wish I had that skill. So jealous!
Yep. Any smart person could argue anyside of an issue.
billy Bob - The word “could” does all the work in your comment. Very few intelligent people “do”....hence the problem.
Does anyone play devil's advocate better than Glenn? Even if you think he agrees with the overall thesis of his guest, he does a really good job of critiquing their positions just to see how they respond. It's the best.
Jason Richard I love it.
More like "Exorcist's apprentice." How did Uncle Ruckus not say "The power of white compels you" during the Boondocks exorcism? Twitter will need an ocean of Holy $#!T water. I'm glad john paid attention.
Couldn't be a more accurate observation! Glenn is the 'steal man' master, ie, he routinely presents an opposing side even better than that side's best advocate! It's down right scary! A man whose mind has mastered all sides of a debate, and that's the absolute truth!
Glenn saying "pussy" is like Picasso painting a stick figure.
Great interview.....but wow.....for two people who are dedicated to open dialog, it was so sad to see all the times Glenn had to say, "I'm afraid to say anything about women," and Meghan had to say, "I'm afraid to say anything about race." This really illustrates the problem we have today where your ideas are judged first by your intersectional category.
So true! And I love listening to these two.
That's the sign of our times. They are both being extremely smart by giving that disclaimer, because they don't want to deal with the inevitable backlash by the mob with pitchforks. I've never heard of either of these two, but they are both impressive and fascinating.
I’m a conservative Gen Xer. I probably differ or disagree with Megan on a couple issues, but I really have come to be a big admirer of her and her work. ‘The Problem with Everything’ was one of the best, most accurate books I’ve ever read. A must read for Gen Xers especially. 👍
I'm the same age as Meghan and her accounting of her childhood and second wave feminism is entirely my experience as well.
Strong praise to Glenn. Truly an upper level conversation. Right time, right minds, right subject. Two geniuses at work.
I love that this conversation, and this book, exist. If we aren't allowed to talk about this in public, at least we can on the internet. It keeps these issues alive and well instead of allowing them to be buried. Thanks for going there! I don't see how we work through any of these controversial issues if we're not allowed to discuss things.
That's a 7 level bookshelf. He must have one of those sliding library ladders to reach the top shelf.
What an intellectual badass. I view books as trophies. 🥇
Yet another smart and stimulating conversation that Glen brings to the public arena! And what an impressive participant Meghan is.
Professor Loury, for a man of such terrible learning you are most bewildered.
"Believe all women" is really code for "Push out certain men from the tribe," regardless of a charge of sexual assault. I noticed when Keith Ellison's girlfriend complained about him assaulting her, "believe all women" went out the window.
The sleeping bag scenario shows that men may be inconvenienced by a female visitor, but not threatened. Meanwhile, a woman usually will feel threatened by a physically larger male when the roles are reversed. (I agree with the feminists when they say that men and women should be regarded as intellectually equivalent, but not physically. And this is most clearly visualized in the sleeping bag scenario)
@@MrWeaverwa Of course, there are always bigger guys to worry about, too, and giant women!
Thank you Meghan Daum for speaking truth to power. i definitely want to read your next book.
I WANT to have those conversations.......I initiate those conversations and have 3 friends who will engage......and have lost many more....but it doesn't stop me due to the importance
@ I am so sorry to hear that.
@@enshrinehd
Sometimes you have to lose to win
I always thought that the Harvey Weinstein case should have been looked at as a Hollywood problem. Instead, it was inflated and conflated into the Me Too movement. I try to look at things from a perspective of personal responsibility. (It's not like I haven't played the victim myself, and I've learned from it) The public supports Hollywood by giving it attention and dollars. We can see with our own two eyes how bad the system is for women, just by the way the actresses look, all cut and botoxed, hair dyed and ironed flat. I don't identify with that world and I'm surprised average people do. I have never been harassed on the job, nor do I know anyone who has. But if I had, I am well aware of the laws that exist to protect people from this, and I would have used them. The Left are the ones who create these laws, and yet they keep complaining that the system is rigged. HUH???
I think of the book "Hate Inc" by Matt Tiabii. I didn't read it but I know what it's about. Kids are taught to point at the other major party as bad guys. They are taught to cancel those who might be watching "the other cable channel". I actually took a "cultural minorities studies" kind of class. It might have been 'African American studies". But the teacher did not have much luck trying to get us to have a big Kum baya multi cultural experience. She was very disappointed and she was kind of shaming us for not "expanding our experiences" or whatever. I'm of the opinion that the identity politics is an elitist project and it also happens to get good viewership on TV but is basically something that is manufactured and regurgitated distraction and pacification and melodrama. I think that the media and the public discourse is so irresponsible and so debased that kids aren't equipped to really be prepared for the onslaught of hate and hostility and belligerence and bad faith. So a kid might vote for Trump not because he or she is informed but they are caught in a class war that has no interest in their well being or their situation. So they might be voting for Trump just because they love and believe their Dad and the only time they have family time is when they watch TV and Dad only watches FOX news and he uses it like a drug to let the steam off after work. Or not voting for Trump is like disobedience to their family or even their faith in some cases. I think kids of all classes, social strata and academic, are being totally TOTALLY left hanging. Just because most people are left hanging, but some of us are doing alright, so our kids should be fine, but if they were on their own, they would be screwed. One of the most enlightening classes I ever took is a class in the film school about the history of television.
If one sent their daughter to college knowing that 20% of college females were raped, I believe they would be guilty of at least criminal neglect .
Yay! I don't have to keep binging old videos anymore. So much fun!
Lamenting the death of discussion with zealots and radicals is a waste of time. Forget the olive branch, pick up the flamethrower 🔥
I think we've spent the past 50 years going in a big circle to return to 1970.
By far the sanest lefty I've seen.
To think that that Tony Award winning song could be considered hate speech today just drives me insane. That song is right on.
I love how your smart questions led her to her own contradictions. You can’t say “don’t be hyperbolic” and follow it with hyperbole. She doesn’t seem like a deep thinker. There’s been better criticisms of MeToo and its philosophy than this.
Women who are abused as children are often observed to speak in more childlike voices around the age they were abused. Perhaps that effect is part of why abuse victims continue to attract abusers.
What are your thoughts on "Swifties Grab Back"?
twitter.com/chylerswift/status/1165094299878514688?lang=en
She’s wicked smart and so damn cute. Her smile is contagious.
Thank you Genn, as always. Any chance you could have a discussion with Caroline Criado Perez about her really interesting book Invisible Women? I'd love to hear your critique and her response.
Love me some Glen, what a joy
Ya, if the new generation is about not asking questions, we need some intergenerational dialog! That's not a matter of being an old fuddy duddy who just needs to relax, that's about preventing future social disaster!
If someone wants to pursue sexual relationships with another, without first developing the level of trust that comes with a relationship based on a significant amount of time and love, then this impractical urge to make it contract-based is going to be the natural result. Fact is, sex puts the individual into a very vulnerable position (both physically and emotionally); and if one decides to engage in the practice with people they neither know very well or love to the degree that one is willing to commit for a lifetime, then they should accept the high risk of personal damage and pain that necessarily comes with that. If you make yourself so vulnerable to someone whom you neither know, let alone love, it's a roll of the dice as to whether or not you come out of the experience at the same level of wellbeing you had going into the experience.
For the last 10 years or so the trend is to separate us into a hierarchy of victim-hood groups. I feel the left especial likes to divide us up and try to put as many as they can in groups that are victims. If you want to accrue more power, champion as many victims as possible,
But the truth is we are all individuals.
This victim game is a silly game because there are too many variables for Victors vs Victims like your - age, common sense, luck, medical health, social abilities, who brought you up, teachers, traumas, who are your best friends, environment, your size, IQ, color, attractiveness, gender, how hard you are willing to work, smell factor, neighborhood, social media, how you dress, addiction gene, agree-ability, charisma, duel parent family, competitiveness, country...
You only listed 26 variables. Could you elaborate?
Re. the purity moralizing used to be on the Right - I remember that, but It's been 20 years since I've seen that. Dana Carvey used to do this routine on SNL called "the church lady" that parodied it.
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daum has little original to say
Glen for President 2020! I bet he’s read most of those books. Donald Trump has about as many photos of himself in his office as Glen has books. Think about that.
Proposed controversial book title: "The Rule of Daum" (I hope someone speaks Luxembourgish)
Rule of thumb. In German, you say "Daumen".
Good conversation, as usual. Thank you. If you don't mind a constructive criticism: The sound quality could use improvement. I'm not sure what it is, but the voices, some more than others, on your channel, sound harsh, a bit hard to listen to. Here Meghan's does and I've noticed it with some others too. I don't think it's them. I think it has to do with the sound equipment. Deeper voices are a bit better. You sound better. John McWhorter sounds fine.
Badass is a 70s trope
29:10 ish - people will NEVER treat a man's claims the same as a woman's
Glenn, Please do some research regarding those gender related statistics, such as the 1 in 5 slogan. The statistics are every bit as misrepresented and distorted as those regarding race. As always, to understand what is going on requires accurate numbers.
Good to see Glenn and Meghan together. They're good conversation partners and it's evident that they appreciate each other's work. Looking forward to reading her book.
I really, really think you would have a great conversation with Sargon of Akkad here on the Glenn show; if you could possibly arrange it. A lot of people would probably object, but I have a feeling you would agree with a great deal more than you disagree, with perhaps finding some real insight in there.
I used to follow him, but he’s become kind of a dick. Maybe it’s because I’m a woman and wasn’t supposed to be following him. lol He and many of his subscribers seem to believe that once a woman’s past her “expiration date”, she’s essentially worthless. I really don’t understand why they care so much about women’s life choices.