I am a YEC. I think it's the correct interpretation but I don't think old earth creationist are unsaved. I just let people come to there own conclusions on these things
Most of ancient Israel was illiterate, which is why they went to synagogue to have the scriptures read. In the early Christian church, the scriptures were printed in Hebrew, Greek, or Latin. That was part of the point of Luther's reformation, which was translating the NT so the common man could read it. However, it takes the Holy Spirit to interpret properly, and I believe it's always beneficial to read the scriptures together with other believers. That was always the intention of the church, going back to Paul.
IF! this is true, then why is it, that you have to be an ordained pastor, to baptize anyone into the Adventist church, because they are afraid you don't understand their! beliefs.
@@joonhouse if you have a Bible you will find it. But promises to support a particular church via tithes and offerings isn’t included and neither is believing in a particular end time prophet
20:16 this is the very reason why i left the SDA church pastoral ministry, because i cannot in all honesty and in good conscience agree with, let alone preach and teach SDA Fundamental Belief 24 and 18 (investigative judgment and EGW). These doctrines of theirs is not just another (cursed) gospel, but it undermines the finished and sufficient work of Jesus on the cross to save us from our sins and be reconciled with God. The sad thing is, when i raised this concerns to the Ministerial Secretary (pastor of pastors), all he said to me was "they're the (theological) battlegrounds" without so much an explanation. When i further explained that these 2 doctrines actually affects the other 26 doctrines in one way or another. I got told that i shouldn't view the doctrines like a house of cards, but like a living natural organism. I retorted and said that that's a bad analogy, the weeds in garden, viruses and bacterias that causes diseases are living and natural organisms, yet we try to eradicate them. There are so many serious problems with the SDA system (at least from what i have witnessed in my neck of the woods) in terms of what passes nowadays as an ordained minister. They'll deny it, but for them, the standard proof that you are "qualified" to be a minister is if you have a consistent number of baptisms each year and not your ability to exegete competently and to teach and preach the word of God as accurately as you can with the help of the Holy Spirit. If you don't meet the "quota," you'll then get questioned. Even after ordination, their pastors gets questioned by the administrators if they're not producing the "numbers." Myles (and Walter Rea before him) rightly called the SDA ministers as "salesmen" because they are actually more closer to MLM salesmen and recruiters rather than honest and competent expositors of God's word. The lemon of a product that these "salesmen" and "salesladies" sell are a false gospel and a false Jesus who not only doubted his own ressurection, but also does not know the people whom he supposedly saved that he needed to do an investigative judgment. Very sad really.😢
By that baptism or convert targets reasons, SDA is classified as thief faith organization for they thieves members of other denominations. Also they thieves students from their schools and were paid to be baptized to achieve the pastor target. Afterwards, all of those students graduate from SDA schools and continuing their previous Christian believe. It is SDA natural customs in Indonesia.
I admire your courage and your honesty. I recently had a conversation with an SDA minister in Battle Creek, MI at the Adventist Historic center. He asked if I were SDA, and I replied that I wasn’t. He asked why. I explained that, with the Investigative Judgement, one had to show why one merited/deserved to enter heaven - and that ran counter to grace. I added that if I had to “qualify” for heaven, then Jesus’ atoning death on the cross was … “Diminished”, (he finished my statement.) He got it.
Like Myles, I don't have a beef against individual SDA folks, in fact I have a lot of dear family and friends whom I love who are still SDA to this day. But I love my Lord Jesus and I will not twist and disfigure the gospel just so I can have a steady paycheck. It wasn't easy losing the means of my livelihood. I rather sleep with a rumbling stomach but with a clear conscience knowing in my heart I'm not leading people to believe a false Jesus and a false gospel. Thanks again to Myles for his courage and perseverance calling out the SDAs false gospel. By the grace of God, the fellowship of our Lord Jesus and the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit, keep up the good work dude.
My first disagree: 1 John 2:27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him. This verse is what led me to study for myself and put aside all extra biblical material and led me out of the SDA church. Men are fallible, the Holy Spirit is not.
I’m glad I’m not the only one catches that. SDAs will cite the Bible and then give an Ellen White quote. They also read themselves into the Bible as if it’s all about them.
Come on, Sola, get with it. You need Ellen White's writings to understand the plain teachings of the Bible because her teachings are... even plainer! Therefore, you need the REALLY plain teachings of the profit to tell you what the plain Word means. Her writings are so plain, you need the lesser light to teach you about the greater light, you know, like needing a flashlight to show somebody where the sun is. In fact, Ellen's words are so plain that she taught the shut door doctrine, then didn't. She said you could eat meat, then not. She said fashion was of the devil, then came up with their own weird "pant dress" thingy. She said God hates disobedient children, then changed her mind and said He loves all the little children. I mean, how much plainer do we have to make things around here? 🤣
Of course he has a point. His point is that he has a point to make about making a point so that he can make a point about there being a point to make a point about. Or something like that. Adventist theology and consistency is kind of like that. I'm just having a little fun.
Very sad. I have heard many very good Hebrew scholars discussing the Torah. Simply reading it in the KJV does not do it justice, and so much is lost by linguistic and historical ignorance. We are not all experts. But we can and should listen to them
Did you know, Ellen White wrote that Lucifer was once a co-partner with God, and Son of God was a co-worker with God? Co-partner (Lucifer)has a greater say in the business than a co-worker?
The creation of the world is a bad example. Evolution would teach that death came before sin. That is a clear contradiction of Scripture. A direct reading of the account would not lead anyone to believe in an ancient earth or in evolution. Whether the earth is 6,000- 10,000 years old, ok debate. Whether it is a few thousand or millions of years old, then you have heresy.
October 22, 1851. On another occasion she also said she was given the day and hour when Jesus would come in vision, then conveniently when asked later on she said she forgot. She allegedly remembers all the most insignificant little details of everything else, but the biggest detail she forgets. And then later on she answers differently saying it was in the language of heaven, and that's why she couldn't understand 🙄 what was it? Did she forget or not understand?
@@yaderguerrero-s8z all the dates she co-signed by way of “vision” claiming they were correct because God confirmed them…allegedly. But we know, SDAs don’t think this is date setting even though she literally co-signed the dates through vision lol
She did not originate the doctrines, the men would come up with the doctrines, she said she understood nothing of it, then would be taken into vision and she would be shown what the correct way of thinking was. There's a whole paragraph where she explains exactly how this all went.
A lot of finger pointing and agreeing on the finger pointing where is the Love of God (agape, unconditional love) for people and the truth? I'm asking? Tell me please.
The love of God is not at odds with “rejoicing in truth”. God’s love ≠ glossing over issues. It’s actually biblically loving to call out error as instructed in scripture.
It is a biblical teaching to call out those who teach falsely, in Corinthians it says there needs be division amongst you sow we know is approved of God, so you listen then you agree with the one is scriptural.
Only the holy Spirit can reveal (interpret ) what is written in the Bible. And the facts are that most of those who the holy Spirit reveal truth to are not people with worldly knowledge eg John the Baptist, many other apostles etc
Christians should regularly read scripture. Acts 17:11, John 5:39. IMO also study the words and context of scripture and concordance and commentaries by Christian scholars in different Christian denominations
Many complain against Seventh-day Adventist teaching yet they find the same teachings in their Bible. Yet, they don't call God a false prophet, a heretic, a Pagan, a crazy person, etc. Where is the Holy Spirit that give to man Agape love, peace, joy, patience, etc?
Delaine, whenever SDA errors are proclaimed, many SDAs make excuses about the perceived lack of love on the part of the rebukers. But God will not accept that excuse for those of us who want to continue in error-SDAs, JWs, Mormons (not all but many), and nominal Christians.
"No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it." ~ Hebrews 12 : 11
SDA here Did he not just prove EGW was right? @ 12:30 he says..."But if I lose confidence in the writings of Ellen White, specifically the testimonies for the SDA church, I'll drift away from Bible truth. And the Bible says this where again?" As a former SDA has he drifted away from Bible truths with his views here on things like the "new creation". ? And as for his question at the end... "And the Bible says this where again?" Yes the Bible makes it clear that prophecy in the last days is needed. "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God." Ephesians 4:11-13 "Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he." Proverbs 29:18 "Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." 1Thess 5:20-21 So as SDA's I believe we follow the Bible and the "Bible only" when we "despise not prophesyings" and accept the teachings of EGW. Q.Can one be saved without believing in her? A. Absolutely, and she explains this herself. Please prayerfully consider these verses.
"As a former SDA has he drifted away from Bible truths with his views here on things like the "new creation". ?" Uhh, no, because the new creation is biblical. You're assuming it isn't which leads you to this conclusion. You're begging the question by assuming the thing that's in contention is actually correct. This is from your OWN scholarship on the new creation: “As mentioned before, “reconciliation” is presented in the New Testament in 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. Here God “has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation” (v. 18), or “committed to us the word of reconciliation” (v. 19). Such a word not only proclaims that “God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself” (v. 19) when He “made him who had no sin [to be] a sin [offering] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (v. 21 NIV margin, cf. Isa 53:10), but it also announces that this act of God has inaugurated “a new creation,” one in which those who are in Christ have already entered (v. 17), but that will not be fully realized until the eschaton (Rev 21:1). This is the final effect of the atoning work, which involves a process described in the Bible with sanctuary language.”-Aecio Cairus, The Substitutionary Atonement, pg. 6 Your own scholarship recognizing the new creation being biblical and uses the exact same texts I and others point to for support. Yet you claim it isn't biblical. Got it.
Last days? WORD TO THE LITTLE FLOCK EDITION 1847 pg 14 Soon we heard the voice of God like many waters who gave us the day and the hour of Jesus coming. Mathew 24 36 NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR OF CHRIST RETURN. TELL ME WAS GOOD OLD ELLEN A FALSE PROPHET ACCORDING TO THE ABOVE? U NEED TO WAKE UP
@@charnelallan7159You asked... "TELL ME WAS GOOD OLD ELLEN A FALSE PROPHET ACCORDING TO THE ABOVE? U NEED TO WAKE UP" Not at all, because she made it clear that she could not recall the day or hour after she came out of vision... " "I have not the slightest knowledge as to the time spoken by the voice of God. I heard the hour proclaimed, but had no remembrance of that hour after I came out of vision." Manuscript Releases, vol. 16 [Nos. 1186-1235] Furthermore upon awakening she never tried to proclaim that day. She is also on record to have repeatedly stressed that after 1844 there will be no more date setting.
@@answeringadventismA response for those unaware here. you said "Your own scholarship recognizing the new creation being biblical..." I recognize its Biblical also, which is why I said plainly "his views" on things like the new creation. Even your followers here knows exaclty what I'm talking about. Your other video titled.... *The Secret Sabbath Shift: Aligning Worship Days* footnoted *The Adventist Church fails to see the new creation inauguration and it's impact upon the sabbath.* That Sabbath Shift is totally unbiblical and Aecio Cairus never mentions this concept.
I am so grateful that God delivered me out of the SDA church. You abstain from the moderate use of bacon , theatre attendance, and many other EGW condemned lifestyle decisions in vain.
Gen 1:1 KJV In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Gen 2:4 KJV These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, GENERATIONS OF THE HEAVENS AND EARTH IS THIS TALKING ABOUT THE PLANET OR PEOPLE?
@@petergouvignon8048 It's referring to both planets and people. More specifically, it's talking about the whole universe, the earth, and the people on it.
@@discipleacademy Gen 2:4 KJV These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and heavens It's only people who have generations Deu 31:30 ISV So Moses spoke the words of this song-to the very end-in front of the entire assembly of Israel. Deu 32:1-2 ISV 1 Hear, heavens, and I will speak! Listen, earth, to the words of my mouth! 2 May my instructions descend like rain and may my words flow like dew, as light rain upon the grass, and as showers upon new plants. Is God talking to the planet or the nation of Israel? Isa 1:2 ISV Listen, you heavens, and let the earth pay attention, because the LORD has spoken: “I reared children and brought them to adulthood, but then they rebelled against me. Again he is talking to the nation of Israel! And describes them as heavens and earth Mat 5:18 ISV because I tell all of you with certainty that until heaven and earth disappear, not one letter or one stroke of a letter will disappear from the Law until everything has been accomplished. Has the Mosaic covenant law ended? AD70 that system was finished! Rev 21:1 ISV Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, because the first heaven and the first earth had disappeared, and the sea was gone. Old went in 70AD and the new was established the Church we are in the new heavens and earth!
SDA IS OCCULT NOTHING LIKE TO NOT BELIEVING IN THE TRUTH ABOUT LORD JESUS AND WITH EGW THEY ARE ACCURSED WITH TWO GOSPELS IF YOU LOOSE YOUR WAY WITH THE BIBLE YOU WILL BE LOST IN THE BLACKNESS FOLLOWING LORD JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO YOUR BEAUTIFUL SAVIOUR LOVE YOUR LORD JESUS WITH KEEP HIS WORDS TRUE Amen 🙏
I am a YEC. I think it's the correct interpretation but I don't think old earth creationist are unsaved. I just let people come to there own conclusions on these things
Most of ancient Israel was illiterate, which is why they went to synagogue to have the scriptures read. In the early Christian church, the scriptures were printed in Hebrew, Greek, or Latin. That was part of the point of Luther's reformation, which was translating the NT so the common man could read it. However, it takes the Holy Spirit to interpret properly, and I believe it's always beneficial to read the scriptures together with other believers. That was always the intention of the church, going back to Paul.
IF! this is true, then why is it, that you have to be an ordained pastor, to baptize anyone into the Adventist church, because they are afraid you don't understand their! beliefs.
My cousin got hounded out of sda ministry because he followed the Biblical teachings on baptism
@@davidblowe9096 Not surprised.
@@davidblowe9096 "Biblical teachings on baptism"?
@@davidblowe9096 what is the biblical teachings of baptism?
@@joonhouse if you have a Bible you will find it.
But promises to support a particular church via tithes and offerings isn’t included and neither is believing in a particular end time prophet
20:16 this is the very reason why i left the SDA church pastoral ministry, because i cannot in all honesty and in good conscience agree with, let alone preach and teach SDA Fundamental Belief 24 and 18 (investigative judgment and EGW). These doctrines of theirs is not just another (cursed) gospel, but it undermines the finished and sufficient work of Jesus on the cross to save us from our sins and be reconciled with God. The sad thing is, when i raised this concerns to the Ministerial Secretary (pastor of pastors), all he said to me was "they're the (theological) battlegrounds" without so much an explanation. When i further explained that these 2 doctrines actually affects the other 26 doctrines in one way or another. I got told that i shouldn't view the doctrines like a house of cards, but like a living natural organism. I retorted and said that that's a bad analogy, the weeds in garden, viruses and bacterias that causes diseases are living and natural organisms, yet we try to eradicate them.
There are so many serious problems with the SDA system (at least from what i have witnessed in my neck of the woods) in terms of what passes nowadays as an ordained minister. They'll deny it, but for them, the standard proof that you are "qualified" to be a minister is if you have a consistent number of baptisms each year and not your ability to exegete competently and to teach and preach the word of God as accurately as you can with the help of the Holy Spirit. If you don't meet the "quota," you'll then get questioned. Even after ordination, their pastors gets questioned by the administrators if they're not producing the "numbers."
Myles (and Walter Rea before him) rightly called the SDA ministers as "salesmen" because they are actually more closer to MLM salesmen and recruiters rather than honest and competent expositors of God's word. The lemon of a product that these "salesmen" and "salesladies" sell are a false gospel and a false Jesus who not only doubted his own ressurection, but also does not know the people whom he supposedly saved that he needed to do an investigative judgment. Very sad really.😢
By that baptism or convert targets reasons, SDA is classified as thief faith organization for they thieves members of other denominations. Also they thieves students from their schools and were paid to be baptized to achieve the pastor target. Afterwards, all of those students graduate from SDA schools and continuing their previous Christian believe. It is SDA natural customs in Indonesia.
I was sda for 42 years. The HS showed me Acts 17:11, encouraging me to study Scripture without egw's writings. Liberating.
I admire your courage and your honesty. I recently had a conversation with an SDA minister in Battle Creek, MI at the Adventist Historic center. He asked if I were SDA, and I replied that I wasn’t. He asked why. I explained that, with the Investigative Judgement, one had to show why one merited/deserved to enter heaven - and that ran counter to grace. I added that if I had to “qualify” for heaven, then Jesus’ atoning death on the cross was …
“Diminished”, (he finished my statement.) He got it.
Like Myles, I don't have a beef against individual SDA folks, in fact I have a lot of dear family and friends whom I love who are still SDA to this day. But I love my Lord Jesus and I will not twist and disfigure the gospel just so I can have a steady paycheck. It wasn't easy losing the means of my livelihood. I rather sleep with a rumbling stomach but with a clear conscience knowing in my heart I'm not leading people to believe a false Jesus and a false gospel. Thanks again to Myles for his courage and perseverance calling out the SDAs false gospel. By the grace of God, the fellowship of our Lord Jesus and the abiding presence of the Holy Spirit, keep up the good work dude.
My first disagree:
1 John 2:27
But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you will abide in Him.
This verse is what led me to study for myself and put aside all extra biblical material and led me out of the SDA church. Men are fallible, the Holy Spirit is not.
He says the bible is clear then quotes patriarchs and peophets......🤦♂️
@@SolaScriptura21 this tends to be a running track record we have seen from multiple SDA pastors and leaders
@@answeringadventism the pastor I grew up with always quoted EGW in every sermon.
I’m glad I’m not the only one catches that. SDAs will cite the Bible and then give an Ellen White quote. They also read themselves into the Bible as if it’s all about them.
Come on, Sola, get with it. You need Ellen White's writings to understand the plain teachings of the Bible because her teachings are... even plainer! Therefore, you need the REALLY plain teachings of the profit to tell you what the plain Word means. Her writings are so plain, you need the lesser light to teach you about the greater light, you know, like needing a flashlight to show somebody where the sun is.
In fact, Ellen's words are so plain that she taught the shut door doctrine, then didn't. She said you could eat meat, then not. She said fashion was of the devil, then came up with their own weird "pant dress" thingy. She said God hates disobedient children, then changed her mind and said He loves all the little children.
I mean, how much plainer do we have to make things around here?
🤣
@@deus_vult8111 sometimes they quote egw as if they r quoting scripture.
This is excellent! I suggest that you develop a full and detailed exposition of this Adventist fallacy.
Does he have a point?
Of course he has a point. His point is that he has a point to make about making a point so that he can make a point about there being a point to make a point about.
Or something like that. Adventist theology and consistency is kind of like that.
I'm just having a little fun.
Very sad. I have heard many very good Hebrew scholars discussing the Torah. Simply reading it in the KJV does not do it justice, and so much is lost by linguistic and historical ignorance. We are not all experts. But we can and should listen to them
11:59 "God and Satan never work in copartnership"
*Cough - insert Ivor the scapegoat preacher 😅
Did you know, Ellen White wrote that Lucifer was once a co-partner with God, and Son of God was a co-worker with God?
Co-partner (Lucifer)has a greater say in the business than a co-worker?
She also said, Satan occupied holy place vacated by Jesus in 1844 and is operating his business from there😮😂😂😂 This is partnership with Jesus 😂
The creation of the world is a bad example. Evolution would teach that death came before sin. That is a clear contradiction of Scripture. A direct reading of the account would not lead anyone to believe in an ancient earth or in evolution. Whether the earth is 6,000- 10,000 years old, ok debate. Whether it is a few thousand or millions of years old, then you have heresy.
Very true.
what date did elen white set ?
October 22, 1851. On another occasion she also said she was given the day and hour when Jesus would come in vision, then conveniently when asked later on she said she forgot. She allegedly remembers all the most insignificant little details of everything else, but the biggest detail she forgets. And then later on she answers differently saying it was in the language of heaven, and that's why she couldn't understand 🙄 what was it? Did she forget or not understand?
@@yaderguerrero-s8z all the dates she co-signed by way of “vision” claiming they were correct because God confirmed them…allegedly.
But we know, SDAs don’t think this is date setting even though she literally co-signed the dates through vision lol
@@coachdanferreirayou can say whatever you want. Where are the references?
@@coachdanferreira coach, Ellen White never set a date. You are mistaken.
@@FraeDen Myles answered it perfectly in his comment here.
Oh dear….Weimar….
what doctrines were made up by elen white that adventist believe today ?
She did not originate the doctrines, the men would come up with the doctrines, she said she understood nothing of it, then would be taken into vision and she would be shown what the correct way of thinking was. There's a whole paragraph where she explains exactly how this all went.
None. Read it for yourselves and check it with your Bible. Be a Berean.
A lot of finger pointing and agreeing on the finger pointing where is the Love of God (agape, unconditional love) for people and the truth? I'm asking? Tell me please.
The love of God is not at odds with “rejoicing in truth”. God’s love ≠ glossing over issues. It’s actually biblically loving to call out error as instructed in scripture.
@@_thevinylflower Amen!
It is a biblical teaching to call out those who teach falsely, in Corinthians it says there needs be division amongst you sow we know is approved of God, so you listen then you agree with the one is scriptural.
Only the holy Spirit can reveal (interpret ) what is written in the Bible.
And the facts are that most of those who the holy Spirit reveal truth to are not people with worldly knowledge eg John the Baptist, many other apostles etc
Christians should regularly read scripture. Acts 17:11, John 5:39.
IMO also study the words and context of scripture and concordance and commentaries by Christian scholars in different Christian denominations
E G WHITE says that there is more truth to be learnt from the Bible
hi
Many complain against Seventh-day Adventist teaching yet they find the same teachings in their Bible. Yet, they don't call God a false prophet, a heretic, a Pagan, a crazy person, etc. Where is the Holy Spirit that give to man Agape love, peace, joy, patience, etc?
Delaine, whenever SDA errors are proclaimed, many SDAs make excuses about the perceived lack of love on the part of the rebukers. But God will not accept that excuse for those of us who want to continue in error-SDAs, JWs, Mormons (not all but many), and nominal Christians.
"No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it."
~ Hebrews 12 : 11
SDA here
Did he not just prove EGW was right?
@ 12:30 he says..."But if I lose confidence in the writings of Ellen White, specifically the testimonies for the SDA church, I'll drift away from Bible truth. And the Bible says this where again?"
As a former SDA has he drifted away from Bible truths with his views here on things like the "new creation". ?
And as for his question at the end... "And the Bible says this where again?"
Yes the Bible makes it clear that prophecy in the last days is needed.
"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God."
Ephesians 4:11-13
"Where there is no vision, the people perish: but he that keepeth the law, happy is he." Proverbs 29:18
"Despise not prophesyings. Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." 1Thess 5:20-21
So as SDA's I believe we follow the Bible and the "Bible only" when we "despise not prophesyings" and accept the teachings of EGW.
Q.Can one be saved without believing in her?
A. Absolutely, and she explains this herself.
Please prayerfully consider these verses.
"As a former SDA has he drifted away from Bible truths with his views here on things like the "new creation". ?"
Uhh, no, because the new creation is biblical. You're assuming it isn't which leads you to this conclusion. You're begging the question by assuming the thing that's in contention is actually correct.
This is from your OWN scholarship on the new creation:
“As mentioned before, “reconciliation” is presented in the New Testament in 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. Here God “has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation” (v. 18), or “committed to us the word of reconciliation” (v. 19). Such a word not only proclaims that “God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself” (v. 19) when He “made him who had no sin [to be] a sin [offering] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God” (v. 21 NIV margin, cf. Isa 53:10), but it also announces that this act of God has inaugurated “a new creation,” one in which those who are in Christ have already entered (v. 17), but that will not be fully realized until the eschaton (Rev 21:1). This is the final effect of the atoning work, which involves a process described in the Bible with sanctuary language.”-Aecio Cairus, The Substitutionary Atonement, pg. 6
Your own scholarship recognizing the new creation being biblical and uses the exact same texts I and others point to for support. Yet you claim it isn't biblical. Got it.
Last days? WORD TO THE LITTLE FLOCK EDITION 1847 pg 14
Soon we heard the voice of God like many waters who gave us the day and the hour of Jesus coming.
Mathew 24 36
NO ONE KNOWS THE DAY NOR THE HOUR OF CHRIST RETURN.
TELL ME WAS GOOD OLD ELLEN A FALSE PROPHET ACCORDING TO THE ABOVE? U NEED TO WAKE UP
@@charnelallan7159You asked... "TELL ME WAS GOOD OLD ELLEN A FALSE PROPHET ACCORDING TO THE ABOVE? U NEED TO WAKE UP"
Not at all, because she made it clear that she could not recall the day or hour after she came out of vision...
"
"I have not the slightest knowledge as to the time spoken by the voice of God. I heard the hour proclaimed, but had no remembrance of that hour after I came out of vision."
Manuscript Releases, vol. 16 [Nos. 1186-1235]
Furthermore upon awakening she never tried to proclaim that day. She is also on record to have repeatedly stressed that after 1844 there will be no more date setting.
@@answeringadventismA response for those unaware here.
you said "Your own scholarship recognizing the new creation being biblical..."
I recognize its Biblical also, which is why I said plainly "his views" on things like the new creation. Even your followers here knows exaclty what I'm talking about. Your other video titled....
*The Secret Sabbath Shift: Aligning Worship Days*
footnoted
*The Adventist Church fails to see the new creation inauguration and it's impact upon the sabbath.*
That Sabbath Shift is totally unbiblical and Aecio Cairus never mentions this concept.
I am so grateful that God delivered me out of the SDA church.
You abstain from the moderate use of bacon , theatre attendance, and many other EGW condemned lifestyle decisions in vain.
Gen 1:1 KJV In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 2:4 KJV These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
GENERATIONS OF THE HEAVENS AND EARTH IS THIS TALKING ABOUT THE PLANET OR PEOPLE?
Yes.
@@discipleacademy "yes" plannet or people?
@@petergouvignon8048
It's referring to both planets and people. More specifically, it's talking about the whole universe, the earth, and the people on it.
@@discipleacademy Gen 2:4 KJV These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and heavens
It's only people who have generations
Deu 31:30 ISV So Moses spoke the words of this song-to the very end-in front of the entire assembly of Israel.
Deu 32:1-2 ISV 1 Hear, heavens, and I will speak! Listen, earth, to the words of my mouth! 2 May my instructions descend like rain and may my words flow like dew, as light rain upon the grass, and as showers upon new plants.
Is God talking to the planet or the nation of Israel?
Isa 1:2 ISV Listen, you heavens, and let the earth pay attention, because the LORD has spoken: “I reared children and brought them to adulthood, but then they rebelled against me.
Again he is talking to the nation of Israel!
And describes them as heavens and earth
Mat 5:18 ISV because I tell all of you with certainty that until heaven and earth disappear, not one letter or one stroke of a letter will disappear from the Law until everything has been accomplished.
Has the Mosaic covenant law ended?
AD70 that system was finished!
Rev 21:1 ISV Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, because the first heaven and the first earth had disappeared, and the sea was gone.
Old went in 70AD and the new was established the Church we are in the new heavens and earth!
Generations simply means history.
It refers to Genesis 1:1 and what follows.
SDA IS OCCULT NOTHING LIKE TO NOT BELIEVING IN THE TRUTH ABOUT LORD JESUS AND WITH EGW THEY ARE ACCURSED WITH TWO GOSPELS IF YOU LOOSE YOUR WAY WITH THE BIBLE YOU WILL BE LOST IN THE BLACKNESS FOLLOWING LORD JESUS IS THE ONLY WAY TO YOUR BEAUTIFUL SAVIOUR LOVE YOUR LORD JESUS WITH KEEP HIS WORDS TRUE Amen 🙏