I still see some people in the fanbase not really being satisfyed with the way ash ended his journey. So I sponatniously decided to make this video right here since many fans stopped watching the anime after Pokemon XYZ and if you take a closer look....you could consider it the end of the Pokeon anime^^ What are YOUR thoughts on this video? =O TELL ME! SEE YOU GUYS IN THE COMMENTS & HAVE A NICE DAY! =)
Pokemon XYZ ending and episodes and every other Pokemon before XYZ are my favorites. The new ones not so much, but I still watched the rest. It's sad that Pokemon has ended, but it was a blast for the most part!
@@siddhantroy7096 It's the blind ones who praise the XY anime to high heaven. Everybody else knows that XYZ is the only decent part of the XY anime, and how much of a mess the first 48 episodes of the XY anime as well as "Kalos Quest" are.
Also keep in mind that before Ash/Satoshi went to Kalos he had his Charizard return to Oak’s Lab (permanently) and also the picture of all his Pokémon which feels like a true end but BW leads into XY so yeah
XYZ is probably my favorite ending in the anime its just feels so heartwarming especially because its my childhood but i did like the mpm ending though, I think it was good
@@PokemonRangerBoy12 true but it has to be done at some point. It could be a side event and the movie is solely focused on Ash becoming a pokémon master, and nothing says "pokémon master" more than befriending and catching arceus, also his Pikachu is long overdue for a bond phenomenom *(or in my case a new "mithical" worthy form)* i always imagined that his Pikachu would get a power that allows it to deal damage with his thunderbolt specificaly to any pokémon type. Like a master form or something a it's granted by arceus. In a desperate attempt to save ash and his pokémon from the main villain and his goons, imagine all the villains he encountered so far joining forces to take over the world and get their revenge on ash. But team magma and aqua are double agents since they withnessed what happens when they tamper with powers they can't handle. . . Then again i imagine too much but, if THIS happens imma buy all 2gen versions of all 2regional pokémon games after sword and shield.🤣🤣🤣 I mean it tho. If His Pikachu gets two abilities like Calirex *(static and omni thunder or something)* and a new form with stats compared to mega mewtwo y, that would be AMAZING.
I honestly just thought XYZ felt like a conclusion compared to the rest because it felt like the story the studio wanted to tell was very self-contained. They wanted it to be a personal journey of a group of friends rather than a narrative with a bigger picture. That's why it never had any older characters or Pokemon returning or ties to the previous series. It was it's own little show.
I will always see XYZ as the official ending because just by the art style you can tell they were slowly aging Ash up and they never said he was 10 anymore we just assumed that but in Journeys they said he was 10 again which just doesn't feel right cause there is no way he has traveled to 6 regions was was still 10 for journeys
XYZ IS the true ending of Ash. It feels like the writers planned to cut the budget of the anime series after XYZ, so as a result, they wanted to make the XY/XYZ seasons great one last time before sinking low. But it just doesn’t make sense. If you wanted to garner more people to watch the anime and KEEP the same people for future seasons, then why the sudden quality drop? It would’ve been better if they kept the style or if the style never existed in the first place. It’s a huge disappointment and so confusing.
@@thunderblade9251 In some cases, fan-service isn’t a good thing, but I agree with how there should’ve at least been a reunion with Ash’s companions in the finale since the writers already brought them back and ruined their characters. I would prefer all or nothing: either they don’t bring them back and respect the original send-offs OR they do bring them back, but they don’t ruin the characters and are part of a reunion for the finale
i left after xyz got over.. i will never forget that day.. i was watching the final episode in live in youtube.. once the FIN came i was so emotional.. within few seconds.. they dropped that sun&mom promo... it never felt so many emotions like that.. wtf.. it was horror...
I liked Pokemon XYZ ending and episodes better than this one. Don't get me wrong I liked the ending and episodes of this one, but Pokemon XYZ and the ones before it will always be my favorite. It's sad that Pokemon has ended I will miss Ash and Pikachu, along with everyone else.
A galar journey with an art style similar to xyz would’ve been so epic 😢 I have nothing to say for Gen 7..it’s too different so I’ll accept everything they changed. But Gen 8 was done so dirty, and the Pokémon anime in general. Even the masters 8 battles weren’t as creative, fast paced, and epic as xyz
If the ending was directly after XYZ and still in the art style, in my opinion that would've made it more emotional because it was the peak in every category. In addition, if they made the new anime in the Sun and Moon story then maybe it'd polish better than actual Sun and Moon. Then afterwards when Journeys would come, Ash would've been reintroduced, covering the region to region aspect it should've been while keeping the integrity of Ash and everyone else.
Preach dude! That or finally letting the boy grow up! I have two different barebones concepts regarding a second-generation where Ash and Serena's kid or kids would go on an adventure of their own. 1) Possibly twins (one male, one female) who are both participating in the gym challenge and embody their parents' styles. The male could be all about strategy and putting on a show, while the female twin is pretty much a tomboy that tries to brute-force her way to victory. It would give the potential of each of them losing a gym battle all because they were too rigid in their methods, forcing them to learn from one another to succeed in the rematch. And maybe they don't even know that their father is a Champion due to him keeping a rather low profile or him and Serena doing their best to hide it from them (a sense of humility but also to protect them). They could even end up encountering the children of Ash's other travel companions like May or Dawn. The whole thing could've been a world-spanning league challenge where they would have to battle the newest region's gyms first, before battling against a collection of gym leaders from across the many regions (sort of like an All-Star Challenge) 2) The anime centered around a new protagonist and their friends, eventually bringing in Ash and Serena's kid into the squad with them hiding who their parents are.
@@LittleAl016 What makes you say that? Serena was the only one who actually made a move on him and gave him an indication of a confession at the end of the Kalos saga. If anything though, I think we can at least agree Iris would be least likely, given neither have any signs of attraction at all. I can see why in regards to Misty, May, and Dawn at least, since I'm pretty sure he's been shown to at least blush at people asking if they were a couple (I think. I haven't watched the Hoenn or Sinnoh series in a hot minute so I don't know for sure, but I know it was the case with Misty).
@@legobrick1356 Because Ash isn't interested in Serena in any way. During the XY anime, he never shows the same kind of affection towards Serena that she does towards him. And despite all of the affection Serena shows towards Ash, the "Ash" that Serena feels the most strongly towards isn't a person, but rather a figment of her imagination. (TV Tropes calls this phenomenon "Loving A Shadow".) Plus, when they reunited in Journeys, they barely interacted with each other, let alone had a single romantic moment together, with Ash even ignoring her at first. This can be seen as a tacit admission from the showrunners themselves that "AmourShipping", which is so ironically named by those who don't understand the concept of "amour", never really clicked with the target audience. And, let's be honest here, the whole thing about Serena having met Ash before at Oak's summer camp is a weak justification for her having a crush on Ash due to the utter lack of mention of or reference to Serena in literally everything that preceded the XY anime, and is a clear-cut case of "tell, don't show" due to the viewer not having any reason to believe that Ash and Serena work well together, or, in the case of the fact that seeing Ash on TV made her leave home, believe that Serena knows Ash from somewhere, because of the sheer lack of textual support for it.
@@LittleAl016 You make a good argument. In any case, no matter if it was Misty, May, Dawn, or Serena; I still think the ideas of mine before would've been interesting still (and still probably preferred by the fandom). Having two people in the main group going through the gym challenge at the same time would shake things up still. The second of my scenarios though is looking much more appealing as a whole though, as something like that would make for an epic reveal later on. Having the primary protagonist meeting the yet-to-reveal child of Ash and then dropping that bombshell later on would've been cool.
@@PokemonRangerBoy12 I liked s&m more than journeys. Even though they changed the art style and the traditional adventure stuff, it was still enjoyable with the comedy and the story.
I’d say ending it with XY would have worked perfectly if ash had just won the league. Also maybe ending it with SM would have been better too because ash had finally won a league and it was the closest we got to a true family series.
I would go with XY as the perfect ending of Ash Ketchum, if they made him defeat Alain and win the Kalos League, challenge the Elite 4 and the champion Diantha and make him and Serena end up being an official future couple. To be honest, Amourshipping is definitely canon. And if XY was the ending of Ash's story, then the Pokémon company will have a new protagonist for Sun & Moon and Sword & Shield who will be one of Ash's and Serena's children or a brand new character.
@@DragonNinja20 Not according to Journeys, wherein there's a tacit admission that "AmourShipping" never really clicked with anyone in the target audience.
I must say that XY was by far my favourite as it had Clemont the underrated and Squishy the demon, my personal two favourite characters. I don't know what I think about Journeys but really I find it hard to enjoy the episodes because korrina got too much attention and Ash never visits his old friends when he goes to a different region. I don't think XY is the end but I sure wish won the flipping league.
Pokémon XYZ was a bit more mature in tone , it was really epic . Ash , Serena and Clemont looked like 16. The theme was a remake of the OG song . The amourshipping was epic . I really miss the series ❤
It seems illogical to me to assume that the end of pokemon was at the end of xy/xyz since for better or worse Ash's journey in alola and galarian is canon just like his journey through kalos, hoenn or sinnoh even if not everyone liked it
I agree with what you said. XYZ and before had a sense of progression which made it felt there was growth and something new to see which is how it felt in the games, new areas to explore and giving that sense of adventure. SM and JN felt very one and done when it came to new locations and felt messy. I can agree it fine to experiment, but SM & JN changed too much too fast
@@LittleAl016 nah people love advanced, xy, dp and sun and moon to an extent more than Kanto, misty and brock are the most overrated characters and I'm a brock fan
You know how the first episode of the original series opened with ash watching a match b/w Bruno and a trainer on tv in his bedroom? Well I want the first episode of pokemon Horizons to open with Liko watching a video of the battle b/w ash and Leon on her laptop
Man just seeing the end of XYZ still makes me emotional 😢 it really was the end of the anime I grew up. At least I ca appreciate SM and how they tried to do some new stuff so therefore I could never hate SM. But journeys truly changed the anime for the worst and I can easily say that I hate journeys will all my heart.
For me, XYZ might as well have been the ending. The change in art style and format afterwards just never really resonated with me, and in XYZ Ash finally got the respect he deserved as a Trainer anyway. He was at his best there. And of course, the "and to our own way" ending was stupidly beautiful.
Journeys might have gave ash the win and end of his journey, but never the chills of excitement that XYZ used to give. Still miss the series to this day. I cannot stop myself from comparing the journeys to the xy series and tbh, whenever I do that, I feel nothing but disappointment. What a shame :(
I lost interest in Pokemon when they turned Pokemon into a complete kids show I don't hate sm,even tho it's the kids show I mentioned above,it's my 3rd fav season of Pokemon But that's cuz I only watched the canon, important episodes,I didn't watch anything I felt unnecessary Which was a lot But I legit lost interest in jn, because I watched everything And I realised how childish it is And how much they don't care about their older viewers Xy felt like an actual Anime Journeys felt like I was wasting my time☠️
@@kannan07 Yes it was. It has been since Johto, despite Shudo wanting the Pokémon Anime to appeal to a wider audience, not just kids. It's actually XY that tried (and thankfully failed) to turn the Pokémon Anime into something that it's not, alienating kids from it altogether, causing showrunners to course-correct with SM.
Pokémon xy and xyz will forever be my favourite anime all time and also why I stopped watching after Gen 6. This is something that will always be in my heart ❤️
I totally agree! XYZ really felt was the real ending of Ash his character. His XY character was literally build up from all his experience in the past 5 regions. The change to SM didnt make any sense and recently they also admitted that they changed Ash's character because he didnt acted like a normal 10 year old. Which also meant that they really made Ash a different character in terms of personality. A shame cause they should have made a new protagonist in my opinion then. Cause Ash was never that not even in OG. Also in AG and DP he became more and more mature compared to when he started. To watch SM then is so weird to me. A shame they made that change cause SM as a stand alone series is good but not as a continuation of Ash.
There was no "build-up" from his experience in the past 5 regions until SM. Also, Ash in SM is considerably closer to his original OS iteration than Ash in XY is. Especially since Ash was a Gary Stu in XY.
@@LittleAl016 What is a Gary Stu lmao. And yes there was. XY Ash was developed very well in BW and in DP he was also more mature. Sun and Moon had nothing to do and didnt had any build-up before lol. And if you think SM was like OG then SM should have been after OG then. And still in OG he was more brutal with his jokes then SM. And stil had had his mature moments like punching Mewtwo. Only thing that comes close to SM is JN's. That is a proper continuation cause that was actually build-up by Olivia that he should try to travel the world.
@@KevRMA2000 A Gary Stu is a male character without flaws. Also, XY Ash didn't develop. And DP Ash, like XY Ash, wasn't "mature", but rather an example of an immature person's idea of what maturity is like. And you're assuming that the Pokémon Anime is a continuous saga centered around Ash. This was never the case, despite every pretense of being one. It's a collection of different self-contained stories per generation that are not intended to be watched by the same audience. This is why SM Ash, the 2nd best version of Ash, follows XY Ash, the worst version of Ash, instead of OS Ash, the best version of Ash. Also, Ash trying to punch Mewtwo isn't a "mature" moment. And the fact that you think it is only shows that you have a juvenile understanding of what maturity actually is.
@@LittleAl016I only know Mary Sue but apparently yours is the male version which I didnt know this existed. And no he wasnt even that cause he lost some battles and didnt win everyting. Also he did develop otherwise he wouldn't be the person he was going to be at the end lmao. You have never seen XY that's very obvious. Also XY Ash wasnt only mature but also had his funny and dumb moments. And no SM is not the 2nd best version. It's literally what Roy is in the Horizons Series. But with him the execution works well cause he is that from the very beginning. Not SM Ash who had nothing from his counterparts. But yeah what would a XY hater know who is commenting in all the reactions. Looks rather stupid.
@@KevRMA2000He was the same person towards the end of every season that he was in the beginning. This is because his personality was reset every single time a new generation came out. The only versions of Ash you literally cannot make that claim about are OS Ash, SM Ash, and Journeys Ash. And again. XY Ash wasn't "mature"; he was the immature person's idea of what maturity is like. And yes, SM Ash is the second best version of Ash, since he's not a blank slate for manchildren to project themselves onto, and he returns to how Takeshi Shudo envisioned Ash. Also, you're projecting XY Ash onto SM Ash. And trying to correct wrongful assertions doesn't in any way make me a "hater".
I think it’s an interesting question to tackle. I think that from a structural standpoint yeah XY was an endpoint. But I feel like at least for me a Sun and Moon’s different direction invigorated a sense of excitement for me, as it was something new. Sure it took some time to get used to, but eventually I learned to really appreciate it and now sun and moon is my favorite series. Journeys is a different story, but I feel like no matter what a person’s viewpoint is we can all appreciate what the anime meant for us and we can always look back on it.
At least one of them like Bea who was build up as this huge obsticale for ash.... Until the beat her. But I guess in their eyes Leon was enough for Gen 8 representation
It is not the end of Ash's story, it was the end of his aspiration to be a pokemon master, not today or tomorrow, but one day we will see Ash and all his friends achieving their dreams, not today or tomorrow. but if one day and until then we don't lose faith
I would prefer if SM was where Ash's adventure had ended... however the ending to Journeys was fine. I wasn't a big fan of XYZ so I wouldn't really like for it to be the end point to Ash's journey.
@@TheFirstDragonbornMiraak only thing i hated about hsow are sarena and satoshi gekkoga other then that plot was better then games and also team flare and gyms better then games
The only reason I stopped at XYZ is because I was spoiled on the fact Ash loses the league when he was basically at his peak, he had the type advantage and everything so it only made me mad salty cuz I thought we would finally make it. Then Sun and Moon as well as Journeys he won the entire thing so why couldn't he win XYZ too? Not like he would've ended his journey there cuz he still wanted to be a Pokémon master.
Even though he didn’t won the Kalos League in the end he still saved the world along with his friends and rivals that he made. Honestly, I feel bad for you because you missed one of the best villain arcs in anime. Plus Alain’s Charizard was way more experience than Ash’s Greninja. Even with the type advantage Alain’s Mega Charizard X loses its weakness to Water attacks.
They could've just continued Ash's journey of exploring the new regions after Alola and maintain CONTINUITY. But NOPE! Yup, still pissed about the retirement of Ash, even though it was unsatisfying and completely unnecessary...
It was more satisfying than anything else the periphery audience could come up with. And not only was it completely necessary, it was 6 generations overdue.
The Sun and Moon was just for a vacation so it was Orange Islands again... but the journey of Ash wasnt just to follow the rule of the games... not entirely... so the new direction was to grow up Ash not just let him be just a good trainer but a good person and in consequence a respectable adult. So I guess that those ending seasons was to show us that Ash wasn't ready to move on so the journey(s) epilogue were made to do just that...show to kids the meaning of growth and responsibilities... but that is just my opinion.
Nah. It was 100% telling us that we need to let Ash go. Letting Ash go was the expectation that the showrunners had of us the moment they decided to keep him around after Orange Islands. And they wanted us to let Ash go so that they can focus on an entirely new generation of child viewers, as was the expectation of shows like the Pokémon Anime. Unfortunately, the rise of social media revealed that a sizable and most notably VOCAL portion of the total audience, which is a minority compared to the target audience (as evidenced by the ratings the entire XY anime actually got) despite its size, was still far too attached to Ash and his journey despite Ash's journey having no planned endpoint and despite Ash increasingly overstaying his own welcome with each new generation he's around. They clung to him as both their surrogate and their wish fulfillment, and this is why the backlash and subsequently SM and Journeys happened. "How DARE you make Ash accessible to younger viewers when that's not what we've come to expect from him! How DARE that Ash still lose and make mistakes when he should be past that by now! How DARE some b****** emasculate Ash by teasing him and calling him a kid!" That's the attitude that the showrunners, especially the newer ones that were brought onboard during SM, most likely came to despise. Especially since it limits their creative freedom in regards to what they want to do with Ash. So they ended up retiring him. The mindset was that if these fans, such as the one who made this video, could truly never grow up and leave Ash behind as they did, then the only way to stop their complaining was for Ash to grow up and leave THEM behind, clearing the way for a new main character for a new generation of viewers that is unburdened by expectations of decades-old fans. Which is also why the last ten episodes of Journeys exists, to ease those fans into fully accepting Ash's departure. But given that there's still a backlash against Ash leaving, and that those same fans wanted the Pokémon Anime to end on a note of battling and testosterone-fueled power fantasies, I'm not surprised that the showrunners did what they did.
XY had the best art style, yes, and the most badass ash probably, but he didn't achieve anything really. He didn't even get to beat Alain once. So, it could not be the end of the anime. And after greninja evolved, it became the Ash-greninja show, which was cool back then but if you think of it, many other interesting things were left behind because of it. Personally, no series can top DP in terms of pretty much everything.
@@anthonybrito2610 B&W actually ended up exceeding the hype all the way until Decalore Adventures. And ultimately ended up objectively mattering far more in the grand scheme of things than XY did. Given that Ash-Greninja got retconned, Serena showed no romantic feelings towards Ash in Journeys, and that Ash's journey ended on a note of friendship, exploration, and childlike wonder, instead of battling.
Man comparatively even the sun and moon despite its artstyle had won my heart. The character's building up was not that bad. I would have not minded if the anime had ended there either. But honestly the ending of xyz was what you could call perfect.
Yeah, I've kinda been thinking this for a while now. XYZ was the ending we accepted, and Journeys was kind of a constant struggle of falling for nostalgia baiting, getting frustrated, then getting baited all over again.
Well, the ending of XYZ, for me, knowing what came after, that was the end of the anime. Because they totally abandoned the whole concept of doing something as a franchise ongoing for years after that. They did this kind of 20th movie reboot, they choose a totally different vibe and concept in all departments for Alola, that felt at no point connected to anything, next we have Journey... My point is, from gen 1 until end of XYZ, every saga, every cycle, felt like something connected. even with the goodbyes, the brand new start, they still managed to introduce a new saga respecting the previous one, by writing some kind of transitional departure. But when Alola started, it was really pure non-sense. When they decided to abandon the "continuity" with the movies, it was the end for me. Nothing post XYZ (including all i saw before, even Unys), was related. It was just use of characters, with no vibe, no spirit. Change of pace, change of background, it was always a thing existing between sagas. The first big change was basically gen 3 (gen 1-2 anime were basically one thing). But even so, we had a concept, something respected trough years of cycles. And again, for me, a movie included inside the current anime was really something i loved. It was promoted trough the anime, it was ongoing during the anime, it was here as something relevant to the current generation... Even when it was movies like Ranger (9th film), basically side story. It was still the crew, the region... And... The change, so sudden, post XYZ, for what reason? They totally broke it. As an anime, for me, it totally lost its way post XYZ, but not because i considerate it as the most accomplished saga, but because after that, they just didn't care anymore, thinking how to propose something with the background and memories they have. Post XYZ, the anime was basically "TABULA RASA". If they intended to let Ash go anyway, for me, they should have develop a bit the situation post XYZ, like saying Ash will continue, some time skip or else, and at this point, re-start with the new project with Riko, and maybe propose a little cameo with Ash a bit more mature at some point during the new anime. Because Ash, as a protagonist i followed trough 6 gen, literally disappeared post XYZ. He was maybe here, but he was a shadow, like a fan-use. At no point in Alola or Journey, i had this feeling i got from 20 years (whatever my age, this has nothing to do with nostalgia), the feeling i follow the adventures of Ash in his quest to be Pokemon Master. Alola was maybe a good "new vibe", but they really shouldn't have done that this way post XYZ. It felt like a totally other show, and as a franchise ongoing trough so long, you had to respect the concept. It felt like Teen Titans GO beside Teen Titans. Maybe same characters, but at no point you can considerate that's the same anime (cartoon). I think Alola or Journey were never part of something i followed for so long with the same perspective: this is the anime about Pokemon, about Ash. When you change so much the surroundings, you can't call it the same thing anymore. It's like if you run a bakery, then suddenly, you sell basically sushis, but you keep the name. You're maybe the same behind the desk, but you clearly don't own the same store anymore. For me, this is what pokemon anime is: gen 1 until end of gen 6 -> the bakery you know, with changes, growth, maybe new products, but still bread, maybe new location, but still same store, evolving, or not, but at least recognizable as a brand. everything post gen 6 -> you just kept the name, and maybe the idea you sell food. But definitely not bread. I understand people could love Alola or Journey, but as a follower since gen 1, i NEVER would considerate the anime was still "Pokemon". They "used" pokemons and Ash whatsoever, but at no point, that was "Pokemon", in the sense of the anime i followed trough 20 years. I don't say this was not an anime about pokemons, but they killed the "idea", the spirit, the concept. Not because of a change of tone or background or else, but because they just didn't cared anymore, they just wanted to re-launch it, but keep the characters. That's also maybe because of that i'm hyped about a fresh new start with Riko and the new anime. If you don't intent to let Ash grow up or have some time skip or propose a situation post win (like what is AFTER winning, how do you become Master in the anime), or if you don't intent to continue the cycle re-start new region, better do other things with new protagonists. I would have prefer Ash continuing, but it couldn't continue forever. I wouldn't mind some new cycles, but they cornered Ash at some point, by letting him lose in Kalos. I think the best move would have been to make him win Kalos, and there, they could have develop further instead of repeat cycles. Or propose something like "apprentice Master", something you can develop as a new saga. Alola or Journey, not sagas, just a way to pass time. At no point in both series, i had the feeling "Ash does something here", but just "Ash was here". After all, the whole concept of Alola, the trials, the Z-moves, that was literally irrelevant for the finality. And Journey, well, rank bullshit, going everywhere doing "things", to end with a tournament fan-service, where all opponent just pop up and quit... Some battles were great, but who would remember Leon? What does it mean for Ash, to defeat Leon? I had more goosebumps when Ash won the Orange League, which was FILLER SAGA ^^. They proposed "some" good battles in Journey tournament, i don't deny that. But for what? Of course you would watch a battle with Cynthia, or Lance... They're freakin' legend ^^. That doesn't mean it was good for the saga itself. At this point, just propose OVA, with the tournament. Everything in Journey was basically outside of this tournament, which was the finality. Even major moments like defeating Roy or Drasna were totally irrelevant for the finality, because in the end, Leon was participating ALL the matches. When you have a N1 to defeat, it doesn't make sense to include him in a tournament in every match, he must be the final opponent, the final boss, not part of the tournament. And in Alola, the league was so messy, this battle royal concept, for a league? Really? At no point it felt like the saga was relevant because of that, because... If you just has to go the day it starts, this is like not going to school all year, and just going for the final exam. No badges needed, not schedule... A big mess. To be fair, i felt nothing when Ash won Alola league. Because... He did nothing in Alola. The z-moves were basically the nuke button for everything, when all sagas established Ash isn't the average trainer, he has his own way. Z-moves in the saga, that's just like: "so, when i use it to win". Anyway, goodbye everyone, that was nice to follow this channel. Good continuation.
I believe that most of the anipoke fans became acquainted with the idea of traveling on a journey as a part of the anime itself whereas with Sun & Moon and Journeys, it became a slice of life type of anime which we are not used to at all. Most of us didn't accept it at all and refused to see change to a character who loves Pokemon battles. But here's the thing, the direction change made us also question again, Ash's whole dream:- What does it mean to be a Pokemon Master? Battles? Sure, action packed is very good and people have had a lot of bias towards it attracting a battle-crazed crowd of fans. But the last episode of Aim to be Pokemon Master sums this dream up perfectly and tried to encapsulate all this change from XY&Z onwards:- "I wanna be friends with all Pokemon."
@@LittleAl016 You say what experience? Being blind after 5 regions or what. Says enough you only think SM meant something lmao. Keep being delusional buddy...
@@KevRMA2000 It's not just me that thinks that SM meant something. It's literally everyone who worked on the Pokémon Anime that isn't a hack, it's the target audience who, BTW, SM won back (let's face it, nobody among the target audience liked how Ash was in XY), and it's literally anyone who's watching the Pokémon Anime that has actual common sense, rationality, and maturity.
I think that Pokemon Sun and Moon series is the most different pokemon anime of the series and I think that Sun and moon is one of the best series together XY and Diamond and Pearl. Journeys series is an anime with many bad thing but also with some good thing and It has a potential wasted. I like the last episode of journeys and the last episode of Ash and Pikachu is very nostalgic and beautiful and I liked the finale even if they could put a last scene with Ash and Serena and the two that talk about the kiss. Pokemonrangerboy12 are cool.
@@LittleAl016 if xyz is the end then no he isnt, but that's OK. look at what he's done, one would say he is more than being a master. ( I say this considering that XYZ is the true ending.) It was never a competition it was a journey.
My head Canon is as follows XYZ has Ash win the kalos league The newly crown champ takes an alolan vacation(sun & moon) Leading to his understanding the true scope of the pokemon master goal We then get journeys following Goh while Ash is along for the ride to Realize his goal in the background (instead of the special) There would also more focus on Galar Before liko & Horizons give us the clean break from him This way he gets to slowly leave the series over time as it focuses on new talent
You can’t just do that, make up your own ending. Even if the actual ending doesn’t satisfy you, it is still the canon ending the authors wanted. XYZ was definitely not the end of the pokemon Ash anime. Or else if you can do that, I’ll just say that IMO the anime ended in Johto after Misty left. Hoenn just like Alola was also a drastic change of pace and the point where the anime really god bad and formulaic.
@@damriyeauhayes8660 No. The anime actually got worse after Misty left. And the only female characters who you could say for certain got development are May, Iris, and Lillie.
@@damriyeauhayes8660 By "the fans", you mean the periphery audience, who don't often know what they talking about. Granted, May's one of the best characters, and was a breath of fresh air, especially since she was introduced after a point where Misty, while an amazing character, had overstayed her welcome. But her series is rather so-so, with the strongest part of it coming being Battle Frontier. Dawn, on the other hand, is a victim of starting out promising, but then later on having her character arc wrap up too early and getting flanderized to the point where she ends up as some hybrid of "May 2.0" and female Ash. She doesn't get a proper resolution until Journeys. And her own series is just, ugh... Serena just sucks, and her series is just as bad as DP, with XYZ being the only decent part of it.
Hoenn wasnt that big of a change. There were still so many continuation from Ash in the OG. Only big change is that he didnt continue to use his older Pokemon that's all. OG-DP was truly a continuation for Ash. After that it became inconsistent with BW, XY, SM and JN's...
Of course the XY fans are still complaining about everything post Kalos 🤦🏻♂️ I won’t defend Journeys, cuz everything that wasn’t tied to Alola or Sinnoh was trash. But the Alola anime was a gem and way better than the XY fans think. Especially everything to do with Lillie and Gladion, they handled that amazingly.
Complaining? He literally said everything with a reason. It's a fact that after XY that Ash his character became inconsistent. There wasnt any development in XY for what he was in SM. In BW there was literally a transition made when he met Alexa, that he was determined to do well in Kalos.
@@KevRMA2000Ash was a character who got reset every season after Johto, and continued getting reset until SM ended. Inconsistency in Ash's character has always been a thing before XY. And prior to SM, development just wasn't anything that stuck to him.
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@@guilhermeteodosio40 If you did, you wouldn't have been so petulant during the time when BW was airing. You wouldn't have been petulant when Iris, one of the best heroines to grace AniPoké, was part of the main cast. And you wouldn't have been petulant when Ash's characterization made a return to form in SM.
With sun and moon, I REALLY tried but it got so filler oriented that I stopped until just before ash got into the league, where I heard that it got better and I have to say: some episodes in sun and moon absolutely nail the atmosphere of being a family and being unified as a group. Journeys was actually the same deal except I could watch it more because I had high hopes: early journeys was good and when we got some hype episodes like the dragonite catch, I was hopeful especially seeing that intro for the second season. I think once the darkest day arc ended, and we hit the third season, things really started going downhill and well, overall journeys was just mid. it sucks that ash didn’t leave the anime during his peak in XYZ.
@@LittleAl016 that may be true for sun and moon, but journeys had a lot of episodes that went absolutely nowhere, especially in the third season. It’s just my opinion tho
I totally agree with you in almost all the points . Yes after gen 6 or xyz series for some reason Ash never felt like the main character to me but I really don't like gen 8 for some reason it's all about this and that , non important characters and matters related to them 😫 after xyz series pokemon did experiment many things and us still experimenting 😂 but if Ash leaves pokemon I'll leave too I know it's of no concern if I stopped watching the anime to anyone but I might not be the one Ash leaving the pokemon is a end of an unforgettable Era over the years my sole reason for watching anime is Ash
I think While Aim to be a Pokemon. Master was the actual Ending for The pokemon anime ad. ash’s Journey but The Ending of XYZ was the ending of an Erra of the Anime and of the anime we knew.
DP ending should have been the true ending...bcz defeating paul and proving him wrong and seeing ash winning and infernape achieving his dream, and the thing that ash put his hand over an abandoned pokemon chimchar and then helped him to be the strongest, this is what sounds like being A TRUE POKEMON MASTER, and then ash should have won the league , if tobais had no legendaries just non legendary pokemons.....DP ENDING IS ANOTHER BEST ENDING or THE BEST ENDING
The Journeys ending (both the specials and the series) wasn't at all satisfying. Unless he has a reason to come back, having an open-ended reason is a bad kind of ending for me.
Even though after XY, the anime took a slightly less serious note, Sun Moon will forever be my favorite due to what it stands for, but especially how it handled the story after the mistake of not having Ash win the XY league and then managed to make the best scenario possible out of it.
The real ending of the continuation of Ash's character arc is actually Diamond & Pearl (gen4). Starting from BW, the style/character set rebooted every generations that you could technically consider there are different Ashes in parallel universes.
yeah, i agree that DP ending should have been the true ending...bcz defeating paul and proving him wrong and seeing ash winning and infernape achieving his dream, and the thing that ash put his hand over an abandoned pokemon chimchar and then helped him to be the strongest, this is what sounds like being A TRUE POKEMON MASTER, and then ash should have won the league , if tobais had no legendaries just non legendary pokemons.....DP ENDING IS ANOTHER BEST ENDING or THE BEST ENDING
If XY came directly after Diamond and Pearl then there wouldn’t be any continuity issues, but because Black and White came in between them it kind of ruined it.
@@advenco344 XY is a good trial for Pokemon anime series, some new styles and new possibilities were explored, as well as unprecedented found. But as to the character continuation, the XY version Ash is relatively more adult than any previous generation (which is positive, I think),. But, all new trials in XY were rolled back again in the follow-on; just said there were already legacies of these characters. So it's not bad to end Ash' 25 years journey and start a new one with brand new characters and settings.
@@picardtseng I like xy because ash's character and other characters were grounded and realistic, for my personal taste ash was realistic and I actually related to him never did in other seasons but yes ash should have left during sinnoh you could also argue advanced gen
I'm actually going through a full Pokémon marathon. Watching every single episode of Pokémon, but for some reason none of the Gen 3 episodes are available on Amazon Prime. 😭😭 Which countries are they available in?
I really liked this video and it is an interest topic to discuss especially since the ending of ash was underwhelming. Honestly I really have to applaud for this video. Your thoughts were well articulated and what I personally appreciate about your channel in general is that you get to the point without dragging it for the purpose of ad revenue and the videos that are longer than 8 minutes are like that for a reason. I sometimes do not agree with some of your takes but I do appreciate the thoughts and efforts you put into your video.
Maybe not official but for me the anime ending was the ending of XY. I dont mean the SM or Journeys anime is bad or something, but for me these both series felt like an different anime compared to Original Series to XY. What i miss the most in newer series is adventure and discovery of the region of current gen. We just had handfull episodes of galar what made me sad... i really hope in new anime we just don't see just the kanto region and more paldea pls. Sorry to say this i'm really sick of kanto since journeys.
Ash was never meant to be the main protagonist for the Pokémon Anime forever. My only gripe with his departure is that it happened way too late. But at the same time, better late than never.
@@sarov7658 No he didn't. He was in fact the worst part of each Pokémon Anime iteration between Hoenn and SuMo. XYZ wasn't enough to save the rest of XY, as it only ended up getting good too late. BW was carried by its solid writing, its structure, and its characters not named "Ash", and DP just sucked. Also, you don't know that Horizons will flor or not.
I mean when compared to x and y this ending was satisfying where the aim to be a Pokémon master is sorta a ending to the very first episode of the early Pokémon I choose you
If only Ash won the Kalos league, THEN this would be a true ending. But because Ash lost the anime had to continue for one last adventure until they decided to make him win the league because the anime was pretty much dying at that point and Ash winning the Alola league was what brought the anime back to life.
Well, they should have made Ash to win the Kalos League as his first League victory and ending his story chapter in XY by defeating the Kalos Elite 4 and the champion Diantha, becoming the new Kalos champion and ending up being with Serena as an official future couple.
it's more the other way round: They made Ash lose the Kalos League because they wanted to continue his story... which doesn't make much sense, but at this point things not making sense is the norm for the series ^^
@@luard8047 the reason they made ash win alola league because fans were really angry when he lost in kalos league. But tbh that was the league he deserved to win the most
@@aganbraganca4156 Hmm, I'd actually say he'd have deserved Sinnoh more. For all the series showed is, he would have won if they hadn'' cheated in Tobias, while Alain was a strong enough trainer to genuinely defeat Ash even at his peak. But even if that was the reason for his victory in Alola, it's not a good one; the only good reason is if he developed enough to win a league at that point, which was not the case. And as a vivid S&M opponent, even I would have said the victory in Alola would have been fine since the Trainer-level in Alola was pretty low, so Ash got lucky that time - but they jumped directly from winning a league to being called champion, which is bs even if technically correct.
Honestly, I thought it was very lame, especially with the lame ass spin-off show (really didn’t do anything meaningful with neither companions or his Pokemon). Atleast I am finally done with Pokemon, would say I enjoyed it till the end, but that would be a filthy lie
I quite honest here if I say that I have to agree with you. The "special" was really done poorly & ino it could have done so much more, like e.g. Returns of other characters. But somehow cilan is the only one who always ends up returning in specials xD
I'm not really bothered with the ending^^ tbh I'm quite excited for the new cast. But I saw some people not really being happy with the ending and they preferred the xyz ending more so.... I think it really makes for an interesting topic of discussion :D
forgot about the theme songs, XYZ's first theme was just the very first season's theme (1st min/verse). just known by the theme it is clear to say that XYZ was meant to be Pokémon's true ending as to concluding with the start. ruclips.net/video/dV0HeXgbHqU/видео.html XY theme ruclips.net/video/6xKWiCMKKJg/видео.html original
Except that's not the reason why XY went with the very first season's theme. The reason is literally the same as why Power Rangers Samurai and Power Rangers Megaforce went with "Go Go, Power Rangers" as their theme songs: Nostalgia pandering and a false impression that those seasons would be just as good as the series was in its first seasons.
Honestly the quality of the anime declined massively after XYZ ended. I hated Ash’s designs in both SM & JN. I felt the Ash in both SM & JN is an imposter.
3:15 Well 1 the Alola Region has no Gym Badges And 2 due to the fact that Ash is a regional Champion as of Journeys, it wouldn’t really be fair to challenge the Galar League would it?
@@LittleAl016 they why was there a ranking on the official anipoke account when ash was leaving for people to reply there favorite pokemon anime and xy as number 1
@@damriyeauhayes8660 That should tell you that the majority of respondents weren't Japanese, nor were they within the age group of Pokémon Anime's target audience.
Ash not leave prove "next time, a new beginning" Ash travelling with Friede, Roy and Liko. Pokémon starters: Ash to Quaxly Liko to Sprigatito Roy to Fuecoco Friede to Never Team Rocket's Pokémon Not captured •Meowth James •Capsakid •Flamigo Jessie •Wobbufflet •Tarountula Ash challenge the titans, gyms and team star boss Titans - Ash & Roy Gyms - Ash Only Ash Team Star Boss - Charlotte(liko) & Friede. Ash's Pikachu + Captain Pikachu = Double PIKA!!!
Best would be either sun and moon ending or diamond and pearl. Sun and moon cause he became a champion and for diamond and pearl it was defeating his most important rival.
DP was the best series overall And SM we saw Ash having the closest thing to a dad, which was great, and defeating him. But most people here are just bitter amourshippers
And, you know - Departing from the fact that Ash Ketchum and Pikachu’s story will end on such an imperfect Saga like Journeys, and remembering goodbye with Greninja, I feel like Tetsuo Yajima with this episode in view of the missed perfect moment and the coming changes with SM, tells us a useful lesson: Sometimes the best way out of the situation is just to just take and leave
Xyz was where I stopped watching and for me it’s where the anime finished. I Kind of see sun and moon and journeys as a split timeline even though I know it’s not just makes sense in my head. I mean xyz this guy looks at least 14-15 where as in s and m looks about 8. And the end to our own way quote. I think this was the anime team saying this is our end now it’s the corporate ending they want. Maybe I’m looking to much into this but for me that message was coded. I don’t blame them for how the rest turned out I blame the higher ups
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I still see some people in the fanbase not really being satisfyed with the way ash ended his journey. So I sponatniously decided to make this video right here since many fans stopped watching the anime after Pokemon XYZ and if you take a closer look....you could consider it the end of the Pokeon anime^^
What are YOUR thoughts on this video? =O TELL ME!
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I stopped watching the anime when sun and moon happened because the sun and moon sucked
Pokemon XYZ ending and episodes and every other Pokemon before XYZ are my favorites. The new ones not so much, but I still watched the rest. It's sad that Pokemon has ended, but it was a blast for the most part!
YES. XY and XYZ was True Real Ending. It is indeed: End of Story
Pokemon XYZ sure deserves a wonderful ending like that and that is the best season of pokemon!
Just no.
XY was the peak of the anime. Nothing will change my mind.
True! and Facts!
Overrated.... Only some simp shippers can think so...
@Poke Verse only blind people who think it's filled with amourshippers cannot appreciate it.
@@pokeverse5496 Facts.
@@siddhantroy7096 It's the blind ones who praise the XY anime to high heaven. Everybody else knows that XYZ is the only decent part of the XY anime, and how much of a mess the first 48 episodes of the XY anime as well as "Kalos Quest" are.
Also keep in mind that before Ash/Satoshi went to Kalos he had his Charizard return to Oak’s Lab (permanently) and also the picture of all his Pokémon which feels like a true end but BW leads into XY so yeah
XYZ seemed like the final chapter to end what BW wanted to finish with an older looking Ash
Heard that the voice actor for professor oak in the anime for the Japanese release
"End to our own way" - Pokemon XYZ ❤
I love that saying and that was heartfelt!
Actually that says “AND to our own way”
@@aureliamastergoomba1278 someone is salty
Ooh its Glimmer! 🙌
@@damriyeauhayes8660 shut up pipsqueak
XYZ is probably my favorite ending in the anime its just feels so heartwarming especially because its my childhood but i did like the mpm ending though, I think it was good
I'll say it again, Ash deserves a "naruto the last" style movie
No no need
Don't wanna see another shit like boruto
That would be so cool! But would they really do a time skip and a love story conclusion with Ash?
@@PokemonRangerBoy12 Nah, I don't think so. Pokemon has been converted to a kid's show imo. They probably won't be showing that stuff, now.
Yes. We need Ash saving Serena from someone
@@PokemonRangerBoy12 true but it has to be done at some point. It could be a side event and the movie is solely focused on Ash becoming a pokémon master, and nothing says "pokémon master" more than befriending and catching arceus, also his Pikachu is long overdue for a bond phenomenom *(or in my case a new "mithical" worthy form)* i always imagined that his Pikachu would get a power that allows it to deal damage with his thunderbolt specificaly to any pokémon type. Like a master form or something a it's granted by arceus. In a desperate attempt to save ash and his pokémon from the main villain and his goons, imagine all the villains he encountered so far joining forces to take over the world and get their revenge on ash. But team magma and aqua are double agents since they withnessed what happens when they tamper with powers they can't handle. . . Then again i imagine too much but, if THIS happens imma buy all 2gen versions of all 2regional pokémon games after sword and shield.🤣🤣🤣
I mean it tho.
If His Pikachu gets two abilities like Calirex *(static and omni thunder or something)* and a new form with stats compared to mega mewtwo y, that would be AMAZING.
Pokemon XYZ Was Really Beautiful.
Yes and f people who say xyz is overrated😡😭
@@theunpredictableone5379 as a xyz fan it is overrated but I don't give a damn it made me love pokemon again
@@theunpredictableone5379 it's actually not it's was Pokémon at its peak
@@aganbraganca4156 Nice joke.
@@damriyeauhayes8660It’s overrated for a reason.
I honestly just thought XYZ felt like a conclusion compared to the rest because it felt like the story the studio wanted to tell was very self-contained. They wanted it to be a personal journey of a group of friends rather than a narrative with a bigger picture. That's why it never had any older characters or Pokemon returning or ties to the previous series. It was it's own little show.
Yeah i’v hesrd
I will always see XYZ as the official ending because just by the art style you can tell they were slowly aging Ash up and they never said he was 10 anymore we just assumed that but in Journeys they said he was 10 again which just doesn't feel right cause there is no way he has traveled to 6 regions was was still 10 for journeys
XYZ IS the true ending of Ash. It feels like the writers planned to cut the budget of the anime series after XYZ, so as a result, they wanted to make the XY/XYZ seasons great one last time before sinking low. But it just doesn’t make sense. If you wanted to garner more people to watch the anime and KEEP the same people for future seasons, then why the sudden quality drop? It would’ve been better if they kept the style or if the style never existed in the first place. It’s a huge disappointment and so confusing.
@@nazomius7033 or bring back characters people want
@@thunderblade9251 In some cases, fan-service isn’t a good thing, but I agree with how there should’ve at least been a reunion with Ash’s companions in the finale since the writers already brought them back and ruined their characters. I would prefer all or nothing: either they don’t bring them back and respect the original send-offs OR they do bring them back, but they don’t ruin the characters and are part of a reunion for the finale
@@nazomius7033 There was a bump up in quality after XYZ, not a drop.
@@LittleAl016 Animation-wise? No. Storywise? Maybe
i left after xyz got over.. i will never forget that day.. i was watching the final episode in live in youtube.. once the FIN came i was so emotional.. within few seconds.. they dropped that sun&mom promo... it never felt so many emotions like that.. wtf.. it was horror...
I liked Pokemon XYZ ending and episodes better than this one. Don't get me wrong I liked the ending and episodes of this one, but Pokemon XYZ and the ones before it will always be my favorite. It's sad that Pokemon has ended I will miss Ash and Pikachu, along with everyone else.
A galar journey with an art style similar to xyz would’ve been so epic 😢 I have nothing to say for Gen 7..it’s too different so I’ll accept everything they changed. But Gen 8 was done so dirty, and the Pokémon anime in general. Even the masters 8 battles weren’t as creative, fast paced, and epic as xyz
If the ending was directly after XYZ and still in the art style, in my opinion that would've made it more emotional because it was the peak in every category. In addition, if they made the new anime in the Sun and Moon story then maybe it'd polish better than actual Sun and Moon. Then afterwards when Journeys would come, Ash would've been reintroduced, covering the region to region aspect it should've been while keeping the integrity of Ash and everyone else.
Preach dude! That or finally letting the boy grow up! I have two different barebones concepts regarding a second-generation where Ash and Serena's kid or kids would go on an adventure of their own.
1) Possibly twins (one male, one female) who are both participating in the gym challenge and embody their parents' styles. The male could be all about strategy and putting on a show, while the female twin is pretty much a tomboy that tries to brute-force her way to victory. It would give the potential of each of them losing a gym battle all because they were too rigid in their methods, forcing them to learn from one another to succeed in the rematch. And maybe they don't even know that their father is a Champion due to him keeping a rather low profile or him and Serena doing their best to hide it from them (a sense of humility but also to protect them). They could even end up encountering the children of Ash's other travel companions like May or Dawn. The whole thing could've been a world-spanning league challenge where they would have to battle the newest region's gyms first, before battling against a collection of gym leaders from across the many regions (sort of like an All-Star Challenge)
2) The anime centered around a new protagonist and their friends, eventually bringing in Ash and Serena's kid into the squad with them hiding who their parents are.
@@legobrick1356 If Ash were to ever end up with anyone, Serena's the least likely option.
@@LittleAl016 What makes you say that? Serena was the only one who actually made a move on him and gave him an indication of a confession at the end of the Kalos saga. If anything though, I think we can at least agree Iris would be least likely, given neither have any signs of attraction at all. I can see why in regards to Misty, May, and Dawn at least, since I'm pretty sure he's been shown to at least blush at people asking if they were a couple (I think. I haven't watched the Hoenn or Sinnoh series in a hot minute so I don't know for sure, but I know it was the case with Misty).
@@legobrick1356 Because Ash isn't interested in Serena in any way. During the XY anime, he never shows the same kind of affection towards Serena that she does towards him. And despite all of the affection Serena shows towards Ash, the "Ash" that Serena feels the most strongly towards isn't a person, but rather a figment of her imagination. (TV Tropes calls this phenomenon "Loving A Shadow".)
Plus, when they reunited in Journeys, they barely interacted with each other, let alone had a single romantic moment together, with Ash even ignoring her at first. This can be seen as a tacit admission from the showrunners themselves that "AmourShipping", which is so ironically named by those who don't understand the concept of "amour", never really clicked with the target audience. And, let's be honest here, the whole thing about Serena having met Ash before at Oak's summer camp is a weak justification for her having a crush on Ash due to the utter lack of mention of or reference to Serena in literally everything that preceded the XY anime, and is a clear-cut case of "tell, don't show" due to the viewer not having any reason to believe that Ash and Serena work well together, or, in the case of the fact that seeing Ash on TV made her leave home, believe that Serena knows Ash from somewhere, because of the sheer lack of textual support for it.
@@LittleAl016 You make a good argument. In any case, no matter if it was Misty, May, Dawn, or Serena; I still think the ideas of mine before would've been interesting still (and still probably preferred by the fandom). Having two people in the main group going through the gym challenge at the same time would shake things up still.
The second of my scenarios though is looking much more appealing as a whole though, as something like that would make for an epic reveal later on. Having the primary protagonist meeting the yet-to-reveal child of Ash and then dropping that bombshell later on would've been cool.
Pokemon went out with a bang one last time in xy and xyz , I just wish the anime still had the heart it used to from back then
I think there was at least a Lil bit of heart in sm... But journeys didn't have any of that :/
@@PokemonRangerBoy12 I may not like sun and moon much but I can respect it for going a different route, journeys I don't have any for
@@PokemonRangerBoy12 I liked s&m more than journeys. Even though they changed the art style and the traditional adventure stuff, it was still enjoyable with the comedy and the story.
@@PokemonRangerBoy12 Journeys had more heart in it than AG, DP, and XY combined.
@@LittleAl016Well that’s just your opinion, man.
I’d say ending it with XY would have worked perfectly if ash had just won the league. Also maybe ending it with SM would have been better too because ash had finally won a league and it was the closest we got to a true family series.
I would go with XY as the perfect ending of Ash Ketchum, if they made him defeat Alain and win the Kalos League, challenge the Elite 4 and the champion Diantha and make him and Serena end up being an official future couple. To be honest, Amourshipping is definitely canon. And if XY was the ending of Ash's story, then the Pokémon company will have a new protagonist for Sun & Moon and Sword & Shield who will be one of Ash's and Serena's children or a brand new character.
@@DragonNinja20 Not according to Journeys, wherein there's a tacit admission that "AmourShipping" never really clicked with anyone in the target audience.
@@LittleAl016Omg! Just Shut up! No one cares what you think!
I must say that XY was by far my favourite as it had Clemont the underrated and Squishy the demon, my personal two favourite characters. I don't know what I think about Journeys but really I find it hard to enjoy the episodes because korrina got too much attention and Ash never visits his old friends when he goes to a different region. I don't think XY is the end but I sure wish won the flipping league.
Question how would you feel if advanced gen was the end of ash's journey. People always mention sinnoh and kalos
@@damriyeauhayes8660 what's the advanced gen? Sos on my part.
@@ImyIsStillHere the hoenn saga
@@damriyeauhayes8660 oh thx, I'm actually thinking of watching that because May and Max look like interesting characters
@@ImyIsStillHere have a great watch on it its great season it set the ground work for diamond and pearl and xy in my opinion
I feel very dumb asking but what did they mean by saying "And to our own way"? Was it a reference to "go find your own journey" or something?
It just means "the end" really.
Pokémon XYZ was a bit more mature in tone , it was really epic . Ash , Serena and Clemont looked like 16. The theme was a remake of the OG song . The amourshipping was epic . I really miss the series ❤
Clemont is 15/16 but yh the others looked over ten.
"AmourShipping" wasn't "epic". It was a travesty.
@@LittleAl016 wtflip how r u everywhere sir?
They didn’t look that old.
@@animedude8712 they still all look ten. Clemont is a very short fifteen year old though
It seems illogical to me to assume that the end of pokemon was at the end of xy/xyz since for better or worse Ash's journey in alola and galarian is canon just like his journey through kalos, hoenn or sinnoh even if not everyone liked it
I agree with what you said. XYZ and before had a sense of progression which made it felt there was growth and something new to see which is how it felt in the games, new areas to explore and giving that sense of adventure. SM and JN felt very one and done when it came to new locations and felt messy. I can agree it fine to experiment, but SM & JN changed too much too fast
You have that backwards.
You know what? Imma rewatch the entire XY and XYZ anime
Don't bro
Yes because it's the best one, I'm currently re watching it too.
@@ImyIsStillHere No. The best one is the Kanto anime.
@@LittleAl016 nah people love advanced, xy, dp and sun and moon to an extent more than Kanto, misty and brock are the most overrated characters and I'm a brock fan
@@LittleAl016 genwunner !
You know how the first episode of the original series opened with ash watching a match b/w Bruno and a trainer on tv in his bedroom? Well I want the first episode of pokemon Horizons to open with Liko watching a video of the battle b/w ash and Leon on her laptop
Tbh that would be such a cool way to introduce her into the franchise! :D
or maybe a battle of adult ash ( MONARCH ) defending the title of WORLD CHAMPION and using Pikachu
@@MohdShadab-qk9ho As much as I would love that to happen, I don't think it will at this point.
Ending was alright but XY XYZ had the best one for Ash.
What about sun and moon and diamond and pearl?
@@nafimahbub74 Those were really good. Sun and Moon I put down but DP goes first before Alola Saga.
@@michaelaburns734 were they better endings than XYZ?
@@nafimahbub74 xyz ending was so emotional
@@aganbraganca4156 For the wrong reasons.
Ash and Serena forever ❤
Good, I want none of that icky diodeshipping because Ash gets Serena and Clemont should honestly get with Shauna as Lilia sucks and is wierd.
@@ImyIsStillHere Ash doesn't "get" Serena at all. He has no interest in her.
Amourshipping, contest shipping, brock x holly and lazerblade shipping are my favorite shippings
@@LittleAl016 yes cause ash is super dense. Idc who ash ends up with, my point is NO FLIPPING DIODESHIPPING IT'S EVIL.
@@ImyIsStillHere How is DiodeShipping "evil"?
Man just seeing the end of XYZ still makes me emotional 😢 it really was the end of the anime I grew up. At least I ca appreciate SM and how they tried to do some new stuff so therefore I could never hate SM.
But journeys truly changed the anime for the worst and I can easily say that I hate journeys will all my heart.
I drop journeys after goh capture suicune
Yep jn is the worst
@@Ash_Edits45 JN has more heart put into it than AG, DP, and XY combined.
Journeys actually changed the anime for the better.
@@LittleAl016most people had mixed opinions on journeys so far horizons was a change
For me, XYZ might as well have been the ending. The change in art style and format afterwards just never really resonated with me, and in XYZ Ash finally got the respect he deserved as a Trainer anyway. He was at his best there. And of course, the "and to our own way" ending was stupidly beautiful.
I feel like they really wanted to end everything on XY,
but TPC said “Nope, not done yet. We can still squeeze more money outta this!!”
They actually didn't want to end everything on XY. They wanted it to end far earlier.
Journeys might have gave ash the win and end of his journey, but never the chills of excitement that XYZ used to give. Still miss the series to this day. I cannot stop myself from comparing the journeys to the xy series and tbh, whenever I do that, I feel nothing but disappointment. What a shame :(
Disappointment because Journeys was everything you wanted XY to be?
@@LittleAl016 Quite the opposite
@@siddhantroy7096 XYZ wasn't that good, dude.
@@LittleAl016 For a lot of people it was lol. Little XY hater commenting everywhere lmao...
@@KevRMA2000 That "lot of people" is a vocal minority. And I'm not a "hater", I'm a critic. Big difference.
I lost interest in Pokemon when they turned Pokemon into a complete kids show
I don't hate sm,even tho it's the kids show I mentioned above,it's my 3rd fav season of Pokemon
But that's cuz I only watched the canon, important episodes,I didn't watch anything I felt unnecessary
Which was a lot
But I legit lost interest in jn, because I watched everything
And I realised how childish it is
And how much they don't care about their older viewers
Xy felt like an actual Anime
Journeys felt like I was wasting my time☠️
Wow the kid show turned into a kid sbow????
@@666Mandom I said a "complete kids show"
It was never this childish till sun and moon
@@kannan07 Yes it was. It has been since Johto, despite Shudo wanting the Pokémon Anime to appeal to a wider audience, not just kids. It's actually XY that tried (and thankfully failed) to turn the Pokémon Anime into something that it's not, alienating kids from it altogether, causing showrunners to course-correct with SM.
Oh boy
Pokémon xy and xyz will forever be my favourite anime all time and also why I stopped watching after Gen 6. This is something that will always be in my heart ❤️
Personally I think SM should be the ending of the anime because they basically have the best ending
I totally agree! XYZ really felt was the real ending of Ash his character. His XY character was literally build up from all his experience in the past 5 regions. The change to SM didnt make any sense and recently they also admitted that they changed Ash's character because he didnt acted like a normal 10 year old. Which also meant that they really made Ash a different character in terms of personality. A shame cause they should have made a new protagonist in my opinion then. Cause Ash was never that not even in OG. Also in AG and DP he became more and more mature compared to when he started. To watch SM then is so weird to me. A shame they made that change cause SM as a stand alone series is good but not as a continuation of Ash.
There was no "build-up" from his experience in the past 5 regions until SM. Also, Ash in SM is considerably closer to his original OS iteration than Ash in XY is. Especially since Ash was a Gary Stu in XY.
@@LittleAl016 What is a Gary Stu lmao. And yes there was. XY Ash was developed very well in BW and in DP he was also more mature. Sun and Moon had nothing to do and didnt had any build-up before lol. And if you think SM was like OG then SM should have been after OG then. And still in OG he was more brutal with his jokes then SM. And stil had had his mature moments like punching Mewtwo. Only thing that comes close to SM is JN's. That is a proper continuation cause that was actually build-up by Olivia that he should try to travel the world.
@@KevRMA2000 A Gary Stu is a male character without flaws. Also, XY Ash didn't develop. And DP Ash, like XY Ash, wasn't "mature", but rather an example of an immature person's idea of what maturity is like. And you're assuming that the Pokémon Anime is a continuous saga centered around Ash. This was never the case, despite every pretense of being one. It's a collection of different self-contained stories per generation that are not intended to be watched by the same audience. This is why SM Ash, the 2nd best version of Ash, follows XY Ash, the worst version of Ash, instead of OS Ash, the best version of Ash.
Also, Ash trying to punch Mewtwo isn't a "mature" moment. And the fact that you think it is only shows that you have a juvenile understanding of what maturity actually is.
@@LittleAl016I only know Mary Sue but apparently yours is the male version which I didnt know this existed. And no he wasnt even that cause he lost some battles and didnt win everyting. Also he did develop otherwise he wouldn't be the person he was going to be at the end lmao. You have never seen XY that's very obvious. Also XY Ash wasnt only mature but also had his funny and dumb moments. And no SM is not the 2nd best version. It's literally what Roy is in the Horizons Series. But with him the execution works well cause he is that from the very beginning. Not SM Ash who had nothing from his counterparts. But yeah what would a XY hater know who is commenting in all the reactions. Looks rather stupid.
@@KevRMA2000He was the same person towards the end of every season that he was in the beginning. This is because his personality was reset every single time a new generation came out. The only versions of Ash you literally cannot make that claim about are OS Ash, SM Ash, and Journeys Ash. And again. XY Ash wasn't "mature"; he was the immature person's idea of what maturity is like. And yes, SM Ash is the second best version of Ash, since he's not a blank slate for manchildren to project themselves onto, and he returns to how Takeshi Shudo envisioned Ash. Also, you're projecting XY Ash onto SM Ash. And trying to correct wrongful assertions doesn't in any way make me a "hater".
I think it’s an interesting question to tackle. I think that from a structural standpoint yeah XY was an endpoint. But I feel like at least for me a Sun and Moon’s different direction invigorated a sense of excitement for me, as it was something new. Sure it took some time to get used to, but eventually I learned to really appreciate it and now sun and moon is my favorite series. Journeys is a different story, but I feel like no matter what a person’s viewpoint is we can all appreciate what the anime meant for us and we can always look back on it.
There was nothing to suggest that XY was "an endpoint".
@@LittleAl016 Were you born this lame? Or did you take lessons?
@@Alzilla09 That's a question you should be directing towards yourself.
XY was the true ending
I beloved this since Alain lost to Leon
Galar gym leaders should’ve been in the world championships
At least one of them like Bea who was build up as this huge obsticale for ash.... Until the beat her. But I guess in their eyes Leon was enough for Gen 8 representation
It is not the end of Ash's story, it was the end of his aspiration to be a pokemon master, not today or tomorrow, but one day we will see Ash and all his friends achieving their dreams, not today or tomorrow. but if one day and until then we don't lose faith
There Is a big Easter egg in pokemon xyz 48th episode say in last to be continue❤
I would prefer if SM was where Ash's adventure had ended... however the ending to Journeys was fine.
I wasn't a big fan of XYZ so I wouldn't really like for it to be the end point to Ash's journey.
why xyz hase best story and was more darker
@@PK_HH That's your opinion. After going through the entire series, XY/XYZ was the point where things got dull for me.
@@TheFirstDragonbornMiraak only thing i hated about hsow are sarena and satoshi gekkoga other then that plot was better then games and also team flare and gyms better then games
@@PK_HH I honestly prefer the XY game over the anime.
@@TheFirstDragonbornMiraak i honestly hate games villaians were bad gym leaders didnt have megas
The only reason I stopped at XYZ is because I was spoiled on the fact Ash loses the league when he was basically at his peak, he had the type advantage and everything so it only made me mad salty cuz I thought we would finally make it. Then Sun and Moon as well as Journeys he won the entire thing so why couldn't he win XYZ too? Not like he would've ended his journey there cuz he still wanted to be a Pokémon master.
He was at his lowest in XYZ, not his "peak". His peak came in SM.
@Pilot Guy It's not "bait".
@@LittleAl016 Let me know when they find out what’s wrong with you.
Even though he didn’t won the Kalos League in the end he still saved the world along with his friends and rivals that he made. Honestly, I feel bad for you because you missed one of the best villain arcs in anime. Plus Alain’s Charizard was way more experience than Ash’s Greninja. Even with the type advantage Alain’s Mega Charizard X loses its weakness to Water attacks.
they did that because they were gonna change his whole face design gland they did that too in journeys
The direction of the anime had a lot more heart behind it in XY
haha no
Haha yes.
XY meant very little in the grand scheme of things. So no.
It has good animation ig
U guys Dissing XY!? I am not a happy bunny.
They could've just continued Ash's journey of exploring the new regions after Alola and maintain CONTINUITY. But NOPE!
Yup, still pissed about the retirement of Ash, even though it was unsatisfying and completely unnecessary...
It was more satisfying than anything else the periphery audience could come up with. And not only was it completely necessary, it was 6 generations overdue.
One thing I have thought about is how the sun and moon characters doesn’t show up in the ending of the movie ”I choose you” But everyone else did
Aka the armourshippers ending?
Huh?
It was never going to go anywhere.
bruh nessa melony gordie and milo never appear in journeys
😢😢😢❤
The Sun and Moon was just for a vacation so it was Orange Islands again... but the journey of Ash wasnt just to follow the rule of the games... not entirely... so the new direction was to grow up Ash not just let him be just a good trainer but a good person and in consequence a respectable adult.
So I guess that those ending seasons was to show us that Ash wasn't ready to move on so the journey(s) epilogue were made to do just that...show to kids the meaning of growth and responsibilities... but that is just my opinion.
Nah. It was 100% telling us that we need to let Ash go. Letting Ash go was the expectation that the showrunners had of us the moment they decided to keep him around after Orange Islands. And they wanted us to let Ash go so that they can focus on an entirely new generation of child viewers, as was the expectation of shows like the Pokémon Anime.
Unfortunately, the rise of social media revealed that a sizable and most notably VOCAL portion of the total audience, which is a minority compared to the target audience (as evidenced by the ratings the entire XY anime actually got) despite its size, was still far too attached to Ash and his journey despite Ash's journey having no planned endpoint and despite Ash increasingly overstaying his own welcome with each new generation he's around. They clung to him as both their surrogate and their wish fulfillment, and this is why the backlash and subsequently SM and Journeys happened.
"How DARE you make Ash accessible to younger viewers when that's not what we've come to expect from him! How DARE that Ash still lose and make mistakes when he should be past that by now! How DARE some b****** emasculate Ash by teasing him and calling him a kid!" That's the attitude that the showrunners, especially the newer ones that were brought onboard during SM, most likely came to despise. Especially since it limits their creative freedom in regards to what they want to do with Ash. So they ended up retiring him.
The mindset was that if these fans, such as the one who made this video, could truly never grow up and leave Ash behind as they did, then the only way to stop their complaining was for Ash to grow up and leave THEM behind, clearing the way for a new main character for a new generation of viewers that is unburdened by expectations of decades-old fans. Which is also why the last ten episodes of Journeys exists, to ease those fans into fully accepting Ash's departure. But given that there's still a backlash against Ash leaving, and that those same fans wanted the Pokémon Anime to end on a note of battling and testosterone-fueled power fantasies, I'm not surprised that the showrunners did what they did.
XY had the best art style, yes, and the most badass ash probably, but he didn't achieve anything really. He didn't even get to beat Alain once. So, it could not be the end of the anime. And after greninja evolved, it became the Ash-greninja show, which was cool back then but if you think of it, many other interesting things were left behind because of it.
Personally, no series can top DP in terms of pretty much everything.
Faxx, D&P achieved a lot of things if only B&W lived up to the hype tho
@@anthonybrito2610 B&W actually ended up exceeding the hype all the way until Decalore Adventures. And ultimately ended up objectively mattering far more in the grand scheme of things than XY did. Given that Ash-Greninja got retconned, Serena showed no romantic feelings towards Ash in Journeys, and that Ash's journey ended on a note of friendship, exploration, and childlike wonder, instead of battling.
Man comparatively even the sun and moon despite its artstyle had won my heart. The character's building up was not that bad. I would have not minded if the anime had ended there either. But honestly the ending of xyz was what you could call perfect.
Yeah, I've kinda been thinking this for a while now. XYZ was the ending we accepted, and Journeys was kind of a constant struggle of falling for nostalgia baiting, getting frustrated, then getting baited all over again.
You have that backwards.
Heard about that many times
Well, the ending of XYZ, for me, knowing what came after, that was the end of the anime.
Because they totally abandoned the whole concept of doing something as a franchise ongoing for years after that.
They did this kind of 20th movie reboot, they choose a totally different vibe and concept in all departments for Alola, that felt at no point connected to anything, next we have Journey...
My point is, from gen 1 until end of XYZ, every saga, every cycle, felt like something connected. even with the goodbyes, the brand new start, they still managed to introduce a new saga respecting the previous one, by writing some kind of transitional departure.
But when Alola started, it was really pure non-sense.
When they decided to abandon the "continuity" with the movies, it was the end for me. Nothing post XYZ (including all i saw before, even Unys), was related. It was just use of characters, with no vibe, no spirit.
Change of pace, change of background, it was always a thing existing between sagas. The first big change was basically gen 3 (gen 1-2 anime were basically one thing). But even so, we had a concept, something respected trough years of cycles.
And again, for me, a movie included inside the current anime was really something i loved. It was promoted trough the anime, it was ongoing during the anime, it was here as something relevant to the current generation...
Even when it was movies like Ranger (9th film), basically side story. It was still the crew, the region...
And... The change, so sudden, post XYZ, for what reason? They totally broke it.
As an anime, for me, it totally lost its way post XYZ, but not because i considerate it as the most accomplished saga, but because after that, they just didn't care anymore, thinking how to propose something with the background and memories they have.
Post XYZ, the anime was basically "TABULA RASA".
If they intended to let Ash go anyway, for me, they should have develop a bit the situation post XYZ, like saying Ash will continue, some time skip or else, and at this point, re-start with the new project with Riko, and maybe propose a little cameo with Ash a bit more mature at some point during the new anime.
Because Ash, as a protagonist i followed trough 6 gen, literally disappeared post XYZ. He was maybe here, but he was a shadow, like a fan-use.
At no point in Alola or Journey, i had this feeling i got from 20 years (whatever my age, this has nothing to do with nostalgia), the feeling i follow the adventures of Ash in his quest to be Pokemon Master.
Alola was maybe a good "new vibe", but they really shouldn't have done that this way post XYZ. It felt like a totally other show, and as a franchise ongoing trough so long, you had to respect the concept. It felt like Teen Titans GO beside Teen Titans. Maybe same characters, but at no point you can considerate that's the same anime (cartoon).
I think Alola or Journey were never part of something i followed for so long with the same perspective: this is the anime about Pokemon, about Ash. When you change so much the surroundings, you can't call it the same thing anymore.
It's like if you run a bakery, then suddenly, you sell basically sushis, but you keep the name. You're maybe the same behind the desk, but you clearly don't own the same store anymore.
For me, this is what pokemon anime is:
gen 1 until end of gen 6 -> the bakery you know, with changes, growth, maybe new products, but still bread, maybe new location, but still same store, evolving, or not, but at least recognizable as a brand.
everything post gen 6 -> you just kept the name, and maybe the idea you sell food. But definitely not bread.
I understand people could love Alola or Journey, but as a follower since gen 1, i NEVER would considerate the anime was still "Pokemon". They "used" pokemons and Ash whatsoever, but at no point, that was "Pokemon", in the sense of the anime i followed trough 20 years.
I don't say this was not an anime about pokemons, but they killed the "idea", the spirit, the concept. Not because of a change of tone or background or else, but because they just didn't cared anymore, they just wanted to re-launch it, but keep the characters.
That's also maybe because of that i'm hyped about a fresh new start with Riko and the new anime. If you don't intent to let Ash grow up or have some time skip or propose a situation post win (like what is AFTER winning, how do you become Master in the anime), or if you don't intent to continue the cycle re-start new region, better do other things with new protagonists.
I would have prefer Ash continuing, but it couldn't continue forever. I wouldn't mind some new cycles, but they cornered Ash at some point, by letting him lose in Kalos. I think the best move would have been to make him win Kalos, and there, they could have develop further instead of repeat cycles. Or propose something like "apprentice Master", something you can develop as a new saga.
Alola or Journey, not sagas, just a way to pass time. At no point in both series, i had the feeling "Ash does something here", but just "Ash was here". After all, the whole concept of Alola, the trials, the Z-moves, that was literally irrelevant for the finality. And Journey, well, rank bullshit, going everywhere doing "things", to end with a tournament fan-service, where all opponent just pop up and quit...
Some battles were great, but who would remember Leon? What does it mean for Ash, to defeat Leon? I had more goosebumps when Ash won the Orange League, which was FILLER SAGA ^^.
They proposed "some" good battles in Journey tournament, i don't deny that. But for what? Of course you would watch a battle with Cynthia, or Lance... They're freakin' legend ^^. That doesn't mean it was good for the saga itself. At this point, just propose OVA, with the tournament.
Everything in Journey was basically outside of this tournament, which was the finality. Even major moments like defeating Roy or Drasna were totally irrelevant for the finality, because in the end, Leon was participating ALL the matches.
When you have a N1 to defeat, it doesn't make sense to include him in a tournament in every match, he must be the final opponent, the final boss, not part of the tournament.
And in Alola, the league was so messy, this battle royal concept, for a league? Really? At no point it felt like the saga was relevant because of that, because... If you just has to go the day it starts, this is like not going to school all year, and just going for the final exam. No badges needed, not schedule... A big mess.
To be fair, i felt nothing when Ash won Alola league. Because... He did nothing in Alola. The z-moves were basically the nuke button for everything, when all sagas established Ash isn't the average trainer, he has his own way. Z-moves in the saga, that's just like: "so, when i use it to win".
Anyway, goodbye everyone, that was nice to follow this channel. Good continuation.
I agree it's the last time i loved the anime personally
He did far more in Alola than in XY.
@@LittleAl016 You miss the point
@@mang4260 No. I don't.
@@LittleAl016 Must be nice to never use your brain.
I believe that most of the anipoke fans became acquainted with the idea of traveling on a journey as a part of the anime itself whereas with Sun & Moon and Journeys, it became a slice of life type of anime which we are not used to at all. Most of us didn't accept it at all and refused to see change to a character who loves Pokemon battles. But here's the thing, the direction change made us also question again, Ash's whole dream:- What does it mean to be a Pokemon Master? Battles? Sure, action packed is very good and people have had a lot of bias towards it attracting a battle-crazed crowd of fans. But the last episode of Aim to be Pokemon Master sums this dream up perfectly and tried to encapsulate all this change from XY&Z onwards:- "I wanna be friends with all Pokemon."
xyz was the only pokemon ending that made me cry
Sun and moon broke my heart
Because it actually brought heart back into the Pokémon Anime?
@@LittleAl016 Because it had nothing to do with Ash his past experience. They even admitted it...
@@KevRMA2000 What "experience"? Character development is literally something that never stuck to Ash until SM.
@@LittleAl016 You say what experience? Being blind after 5 regions or what. Says enough you only think SM meant something lmao. Keep being delusional buddy...
@@KevRMA2000 It's not just me that thinks that SM meant something. It's literally everyone who worked on the Pokémon Anime that isn't a hack, it's the target audience who, BTW, SM won back (let's face it, nobody among the target audience liked how Ash was in XY), and it's literally anyone who's watching the Pokémon Anime that has actual common sense, rationality, and maturity.
I think that Pokemon Sun and Moon series is the most different pokemon anime of the series and I think that Sun and moon is one of the best series together XY and Diamond and Pearl. Journeys series is an anime with many bad thing but also with some good thing and It has a potential wasted. I like the last episode of journeys and the last episode of Ash and Pikachu is very nostalgic and beautiful and I liked the finale even if they could put a last scene with Ash and Serena and the two that talk about the kiss. Pokemonrangerboy12 are cool.
I've said it to this day XYZ is the true ending of Pokemon we just never became a Pokemon Master sometimes it doesn't work out like that in life
Ash did become a Pokémon Master, though.
@@LittleAl016 if xyz is the end then no he isnt, but that's OK. look at what he's done, one would say he is more than being a master. ( I say this considering that XYZ is the true ending.) It was never a competition it was a journey.
@@wicked396 XYZ was never intended to be the end of his journey.
My head Canon is as follows
XYZ has Ash win the kalos league
The newly crown champ takes an alolan vacation(sun & moon)
Leading to his understanding the true scope of the pokemon master goal
We then get journeys following Goh while
Ash is along for the ride to Realize his goal in the background (instead of the special)
There would also more focus on Galar
Before liko & Horizons give us the clean break from him
This way he gets to slowly leave the series over time as it focuses on new talent
Appare il padre di Ash della y x Z su questa serie magari
I stopped watching after diamond and pearl. No pikachu and buneary, no me
At least you weren't subjected to that trainwreck.
Nah, SM felt like the true ending, not XYZ.
You can’t just do that, make up your own ending. Even if the actual ending doesn’t satisfy you, it is still the canon ending the authors wanted. XYZ was definitely not the end of the pokemon Ash anime.
Or else if you can do that, I’ll just say that IMO the anime ended in Johto after Misty left. Hoenn just like Alola was also a drastic change of pace and the point where the anime really god bad and formulaic.
Anime got better after she left female characters got development
@@damriyeauhayes8660 No. The anime actually got worse after Misty left. And the only female characters who you could say for certain got development are May, Iris, and Lillie.
@@LittleAl016 not what the fans say they love serena, may and dawn then misty
@@damriyeauhayes8660 By "the fans", you mean the periphery audience, who don't often know what they talking about. Granted, May's one of the best characters, and was a breath of fresh air, especially since she was introduced after a point where Misty, while an amazing character, had overstayed her welcome. But her series is rather so-so, with the strongest part of it coming being Battle Frontier.
Dawn, on the other hand, is a victim of starting out promising, but then later on having her character arc wrap up too early and getting flanderized to the point where she ends up as some hybrid of "May 2.0" and female Ash. She doesn't get a proper resolution until Journeys. And her own series is just, ugh... Serena just sucks, and her series is just as bad as DP, with XYZ being the only decent part of it.
Hoenn wasnt that big of a change. There were still so many continuation from Ash in the OG. Only big change is that he didnt continue to use his older Pokemon that's all. OG-DP was truly a continuation for Ash. After that it became inconsistent with BW, XY, SM and JN's...
Of course the XY fans are still complaining about everything post Kalos 🤦🏻♂️
I won’t defend Journeys, cuz everything that wasn’t tied to Alola or Sinnoh was trash. But the Alola anime was a gem and way better than the XY fans think. Especially everything to do with Lillie and Gladion, they handled that amazingly.
Sinnoh was trash, though. Same with XY.
Journeys, on the other hand, wasn't. Nor was BW, aside from Decalore Adventures.
Complaining? He literally said everything with a reason. It's a fact that after XY that Ash his character became inconsistent. There wasnt any development in XY for what he was in SM. In BW there was literally a transition made when he met Alexa, that he was determined to do well in Kalos.
@@KevRMA2000Ash was a character who got reset every season after Johto, and continued getting reset until SM ended. Inconsistency in Ash's character has always been a thing before XY. And prior to SM, development just wasn't anything that stuck to him.
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The XYZ was in another level, it was spoken in the same breath as other action anime like Naruto and Bleach
Fair
By people who were largely ignored by the showrunners, and for good reason.
@@LittleAl016 why? Cus we loved the show and wanted it to be good?
@@guilhermeteodosio40 If you did, you wouldn't have been so petulant during the time when BW was airing. You wouldn't have been petulant when Iris, one of the best heroines to grace AniPoké, was part of the main cast. And you wouldn't have been petulant when Ash's characterization made a return to form in SM.
@@LittleAl016 strawman
With sun and moon, I REALLY tried but it got so filler oriented that I stopped until just before ash got into the league, where I heard that it got better and I have to say: some episodes in sun and moon absolutely nail the atmosphere of being a family and being unified as a group.
Journeys was actually the same deal except I could watch it more because I had high hopes: early journeys was good and when we got some hype episodes like the dragonite catch, I was hopeful especially seeing that intro for the second season. I think once the darkest day arc ended, and we hit the third season, things really started going downhill and well, overall journeys was just mid.
it sucks that ash didn’t leave the anime during his peak in XYZ.
Sun and Moon isn't "filler oriented" at all. Nor is Journeys.
@@LittleAl016 that may be true for sun and moon, but journeys had a lot of episodes that went absolutely nowhere, especially in the third season. It’s just my opinion tho
@@kkrider276 ignore him he is just spaming comments
@@kkrider276 You're describing XY and DP, not Journeys. Also, it was SM that was Ash's peak. XYZ was actually Ash at his lowest.
@@damriyeauhayes8660 You don't know what "spamming" means.
I totally agree with you in almost all the points . Yes after gen 6 or xyz series for some reason Ash never felt like the main character to me but I really don't like gen 8 for some reason it's all about this and that , non important characters and matters related to them 😫 after xyz series pokemon did experiment many things and us still experimenting 😂 but if Ash leaves pokemon I'll leave too I know it's of no concern if I stopped watching the anime to anyone but I might not be the one Ash leaving the pokemon is a end of an unforgettable Era over the years my sole reason for watching anime is Ash
He wasn't supposed to be the main character for this long to begin with. He should be been retired after Johto ended.
I think While Aim to be a Pokemon. Master was the actual Ending for The pokemon anime ad. ash’s Journey but The Ending of XYZ was the ending of an Erra of the Anime and of the anime we knew.
DP ending should have been the true ending...bcz defeating paul and proving him wrong and seeing ash winning and infernape achieving his dream, and the thing that ash put his hand over an abandoned pokemon chimchar and then helped him to be the strongest, this is what sounds like being A TRUE POKEMON MASTER, and then ash should have won the league , if tobais had no legendaries just non legendary pokemons.....DP ENDING IS ANOTHER BEST ENDING or THE BEST ENDING
That's false being pokemon master is not to be the strongest even if it was That's lame, but yes it should have ended in sinnoh
I do agree DP had the best setup in ending Pokémon. Thou, I don’t think Ash was trying to prove Paul wrong.
Why Serena did not appear in Aim to be a Pokémon Master to reunite with Ash in the end of the episode?
Writes sucking Kanto as usual
Because she is not and never was important to Ash.
I mean ash doesn’t meet all his friends
The Journeys ending (both the specials and the series) wasn't at all satisfying. Unless he has a reason to come back, having an open-ended reason is a bad kind of ending for me.
It was more satisfying than anything else that the periphery audience can come up with.
It wasnt even an ending tbh.....
Yes it was.
Even though after XY, the anime took a slightly less serious note, Sun Moon will forever be my favorite due to what it stands for, but especially how it handled the story after the mistake of not having Ash win the XY league and then managed to make the best scenario possible out of it.
I really appreciate your points, but that thumbnail irks me (sry for that!)
The real ending of the continuation of Ash's character arc is actually Diamond & Pearl (gen4). Starting from BW, the style/character set rebooted every generations that you could technically consider there are different Ashes in parallel universes.
yeah, i agree that DP ending should have been the true ending...bcz defeating paul and proving him wrong and seeing ash winning and infernape achieving his dream, and the thing that ash put his hand over an abandoned pokemon chimchar and then helped him to be the strongest, this is what sounds like being A TRUE POKEMON MASTER, and then ash should have won the league , if tobais had no legendaries just non legendary pokemons.....DP ENDING IS ANOTHER BEST ENDING or THE BEST ENDING
If XY came directly after Diamond and Pearl then there wouldn’t be any continuity issues, but because Black and White came in between them it kind of ruined it.
@@advenco344 XY is a good trial for Pokemon anime series, some new styles and new possibilities were explored, as well as unprecedented found. But as to the character continuation, the XY version Ash is relatively more adult than any previous generation (which is positive, I think),. But, all new trials in XY were rolled back again in the follow-on; just said there were already legacies of these characters. So it's not bad to end Ash' 25 years journey and start a new one with brand new characters and settings.
@@picardtseng I like xy because ash's character and other characters were grounded and realistic, for my personal taste ash was realistic and I actually related to him never did in other seasons but yes ash should have left during sinnoh you could also argue advanced gen
@@damriyeauhayes8660 Sorry. But Ash's character and other characters in XY were ANYTHING BUT "grounded and realistic".
I'm actually going through a full Pokémon marathon. Watching every single episode of Pokémon, but for some reason none of the Gen 3 episodes are available on Amazon Prime. 😭😭 Which countries are they available in?
I love advanced gen so much
I only know that the first batch of Gen 3 Episodes should return to Pokemon TV in August.
@@ivanzoneBR24 August?! I can't wait that long.
That’s gonna be longer than an One Piece marathon lol
I really liked this video and it is an interest topic to discuss especially since the ending of ash was underwhelming.
Honestly I really have to applaud for this video. Your thoughts were well articulated and what I personally appreciate about your channel in general is that you get to the point without dragging it for the purpose of ad revenue and the videos that are longer than 8 minutes are like that for a reason.
I sometimes do not agree with some of your takes but I do appreciate the thoughts and efforts you put into your video.
Maybe not official but for me the anime ending was the ending of XY. I dont mean the SM or Journeys anime is bad or something, but for me these both series felt like an different anime compared to Original Series to XY. What i miss the most in newer series is adventure and discovery of the region of current gen. We just had handfull episodes of galar what made me sad... i really hope in new anime we just don't see just the kanto region and more paldea pls. Sorry to say this i'm really sick of kanto since journeys.
XYZ definitely felt like a better ending. Would love for them to do one last movie for ash.
It should be a sun and moon movie.
Yeah I know
I long for era of Ash Ketchum and his Pikachu 😢😢😢😢😢😢 this is very happiness memories how I remember❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Ash was never meant to be the main protagonist for the Pokémon Anime forever. My only gripe with his departure is that it happened way too late. But at the same time, better late than never.
@@LittleAl016 nope Ash carried the mediocre shii now the upcoming series wil flop horrible
@@sarov7658 No he didn't. He was in fact the worst part of each Pokémon Anime iteration between Hoenn and SuMo. XYZ wasn't enough to save the rest of XY, as it only ended up getting good too late. BW was carried by its solid writing, its structure, and its characters not named "Ash", and DP just sucked.
Also, you don't know that Horizons will flor or not.
Alles was man im letzter Zeit von dir hört ist immer nur Hass gegen den Anime 😢
Lass Ash gehen und freue dich auf den neuen Anime 😮
I don't think he hates it he is sad ash left
I mean when compared to x and y this ending was satisfying where the aim to be a Pokémon master is sorta a ending to the very first episode of the early Pokémon I choose you
If only Ash won the Kalos league, THEN this would be a true ending. But because Ash lost the anime had to continue for one last adventure until they decided to make him win the league because the anime was pretty much dying at that point and Ash winning the Alola league was what brought the anime back to life.
Well, they should have made Ash to win the Kalos League as his first League victory and ending his story chapter in XY by defeating the Kalos Elite 4 and the champion Diantha, becoming the new Kalos champion and ending up being with Serena as an official future couple.
it's more the other way round: They made Ash lose the Kalos League because they wanted to continue his story... which doesn't make much sense, but at this point things not making sense is the norm for the series ^^
@@DragonNinja20 I agree 👍
@@luard8047 the reason they made ash win alola league because fans were really angry when he lost in kalos league. But tbh that was the league he deserved to win the most
@@aganbraganca4156 Hmm, I'd actually say he'd have deserved Sinnoh more. For all the series showed is, he would have won if they hadn'' cheated in Tobias, while Alain was a strong enough trainer to genuinely defeat Ash even at his peak.
But even if that was the reason for his victory in Alola, it's not a good one; the only good reason is if he developed enough to win a league at that point, which was not the case.
And as a vivid S&M opponent, even I would have said the victory in Alola would have been fine since the Trainer-level in Alola was pretty low, so Ash got lucky that time - but they jumped directly from winning a league to being called champion, which is bs even if technically correct.
Honestly, I thought it was very lame, especially with the lame ass spin-off show (really didn’t do anything meaningful with neither companions or his Pokemon). Atleast I am finally done with Pokemon, would say I enjoyed it till the end, but that would be a filthy lie
I feel the same I kept watching cause I felt like I had to
I quite honest here if I say that I have to agree with you. The "special" was really done poorly & ino it could have done so much more, like e.g. Returns of other characters.
But somehow cilan is the only one who always ends up returning in specials xD
Keep coping. Sun and Moon and Journeys were never spin-offs. Otherwise, Ash would've never came back to Alola or even remember anything about it.
@@ElectroBlastLuigi where is Mario
@@damriyeauhayes8660 Probably went out "to get milk" years ago after constantly hearing this kind of brainlet ^^
I also always believed the anime truly ended in xyz
I don't want it to end
Which is literally why Ash is being retired.
Coping well with the end of the Ashnime I see, Long. (This isn't meant as an insult.)
I'm not really bothered with the ending^^ tbh I'm quite excited for the new cast. But I saw some people not really being happy with the ending and they preferred the xyz ending more so.... I think it really makes for an interesting topic of discussion :D
Even pokemon journeys ending flet better than these 11 episodes
Those 11 episodes ARE Pokémon Journeys' ending.
In the past seasons, Ash used to have a starter Pokemon. But in Pokemon Journeys, He didn't even catch any of the starter Pokemon.
How funny would it be if ash came back for the gen 10 animie that would be hilarious
forgot about the theme songs, XYZ's first theme was just the very first season's theme (1st min/verse). just known by the theme it is clear to say that XYZ was meant to be Pokémon's true ending as to concluding with the start.
ruclips.net/video/dV0HeXgbHqU/видео.html
XY theme
ruclips.net/video/6xKWiCMKKJg/видео.html
original
Except that's not the reason why XY went with the very first season's theme. The reason is literally the same as why Power Rangers Samurai and Power Rangers Megaforce went with "Go Go, Power Rangers" as their theme songs: Nostalgia pandering and a false impression that those seasons would be just as good as the series was in its first seasons.
Honestly the quality of the anime declined massively after XYZ ended. I hated Ash’s designs in both SM & JN. I felt the Ash in both SM & JN is an imposter.
L take, bruh. The Pokémon Anime triumphantly returned to form after XYZ ended. And it was XY Ash that's the imposter.
Heard this take a lot and I’m not surprised
Your back
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Well 1 the Alola Region has no Gym Badges
And 2 due to the fact that Ash is a regional Champion as of Journeys, it wouldn’t really be fair to challenge the Galar League would it?
At least the games don’t drastically change like the anime does.
If Ash had gotten a proper send-off earlier, the anime could have been as good as the games.
no one can beat xy and xyz
XY and XYZ had been beat before it was even put into production.
@@LittleAl016in terms of hype kinda but most didn’t like where it ended
Lol ranger you matched my opinion XYZ is the best i hate how some people just hate serena for that scence but i like serena for that scence
We in the west say dumb stuff but Japan is based and I respect that
@@damriyeauhayes8660 XY didn't click with the Japanese audience.
@@LittleAl016 they why was there a ranking on the official anipoke account when ash was leaving for people to reply there favorite pokemon anime and xy as number 1
@@LittleAl016 Reportedly, Pokemon XY had lower viewership than yo kai watch in Japan 😏
@@damriyeauhayes8660 That should tell you that the majority of respondents weren't Japanese, nor were they within the age group of Pokémon Anime's target audience.
Ash not leave prove "next time, a new beginning"
Ash travelling with Friede, Roy and Liko.
Pokémon starters:
Ash to Quaxly
Liko to Sprigatito
Roy to Fuecoco
Friede to Never
Team Rocket's Pokémon
Not captured
•Meowth
James
•Capsakid
•Flamigo
Jessie
•Wobbufflet
•Tarountula
Ash challenge the titans, gyms and team star boss
Titans - Ash & Roy
Gyms - Ash Only Ash
Team Star Boss - Charlotte(liko) & Friede.
Ash's Pikachu + Captain Pikachu = Double PIKA!!!
real
Best would be either sun and moon ending or diamond and pearl. Sun and moon cause he became a champion and for diamond and pearl it was defeating his most important rival.
DP was the best series overall
And SM we saw Ash having the closest thing to a dad, which was great, and defeating him.
But most people here are just bitter amourshippers
@@rociocabral5279 DP was just as bad as XY.
And, you know - Departing from the fact that Ash Ketchum and Pikachu’s story will end on such an imperfect Saga like Journeys, and remembering goodbye with Greninja, I feel like Tetsuo Yajima with this episode in view of the missed perfect moment and the coming changes with SM, tells us a useful lesson: Sometimes the best way out of the situation is just to just take and leave
Xyz was where I stopped watching and for me it’s where the anime finished. I Kind of see sun and moon and journeys as a split timeline even though I know it’s not just makes sense in my head. I mean xyz this guy looks at least 14-15 where as in s and m looks about 8. And the end to our own way quote. I think this was the anime team saying this is our end now it’s the corporate ending they want. Maybe I’m looking to much into this but for me that message was coded. I don’t blame them for how the rest turned out I blame the higher ups
Nah. Ash looked his own age in SM. It's XY that's the split timeline.