The Burning Platform: Lay of the Land
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Mighti Jamie and the EFF’s Ntokozo Hlonyana join this week’s show to discuss the EFF’s 10-year anniversary. What are the party’s plans for the country, should they be successful in the next election? Plus their stance on EWC, nationalisation and more.
NB: Unfortunately the internet went down for a few minutes during the show, and some of the discussion was not recorded - apologies for the frustration!
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Im a Zulu from Kzn, my family own land embumbulu for years, our forefathers graves are here, our livestock is here our vegetables are here. When a family memeber wants to settle down and build a house, they speak to the uncles, the uncles will give you permission to build your house. When we die, we will be buried here amongst our forefathers. Hell will freeze before anyone takes away our land. Kuyoqhuma sanhlavana ezinye ziyofeketha, akho mhlaba wobaba omkhulu ozothathwa la badakiwe laba.
Absolutely! Julius wants it though for himself!
That land is under the Ngonyama trust my guy but it is also yours in the sense that you can do all of the things you have mentioned & nobody can take that land away from you & your descendants will also be there. That is exactly what the EFF wants for the whole country, you & your family are already participating in what we want. We are going to expand what you have in KZN to the whole country.
@@caesar3909The EFF said they want every South African to have equal amounts of land. That's 0.9 hectares for the population we have in SA right now. If the Ngonyama land is more than that, they will still lose their land. The average South African is NOT going to accept this treatment bra.
It's also Indian's lost thier land in KZN currently family members buried In Guateng that land already in uses Indian's owners from 1820 past it on to children grandchildren so on.....
I absolutely despise the colour Red....so glad that you expose these poepols on your platform.
DEVILS FAVOURITE COLOUR IS ALSO RED
That red is going to remind you of those black people who you killed
@@lilianviljoen8922 Just like black is the devils favourite colour
@@lilianviljoen8922 2023
Do you know what we call a metaphor
@@motlalepulamohale380 Your previous message explains exactly the answer that you looking for..
Poor lady. She is clueless
Gareth you should have allowed her to explain the EFF'S madness.
What is madness wena?
We see you.
Expropriation = fancy word for theft.
Phumi for president - explain it to me like a first time voter.... excellent questioning strategy
Expropriation without compensation will be an economiv disaster. Every private farmer, miner, housebuilder etc. Any industry that requires land will be decimated and likely refuse to do business in ZA and relocate if they have the means.
No farmer is going to manage a highly complex farm that requires long work hours and expensive inputs to have it all taken from them. Be them black or white. You then do not have farmers making a surplus upon which everyone that isn't a farmer depends upon. Eating isn't optional.
Why does the left constantly attack farmers. From "Liquidating the Kulaks" in Russia, to destroying farm equipment in Mao's China, to Zimbabwe kicking off the white farmers... who relocated to Namibia (I think I may have the country wrong) and now export their food to the failing Zimbabwe.
Every urbanised or "advanced" country requires productive farmers. Eating isn't optional.
The EFF arguments are simply nonsensical.
Why do you bother to listen ????
@@truth-Hurts375 I listen because I need to hear all arguments. By your comment, you only listen to what you want to hear, not a very smart outlook on life.
@@thomasgosling5155 As a black male in SA I admire julius Malema s brain but he moves can be divisive sometimes it not only in the comments even on the street it clouds judgement @ohmylort
I don't like the EFF, but Gareth never allowed her to explain things.
@@Tinker8531 Only because what she was saying was lacking any factual context and simply didn’t make any reasonable sense.
In my view land expropriation without compensation means that the all land is transferred to the state then the state will destribute it appropriately and equitably for the purposes of building residences, farming, industrialization, schooling, sports etc. The way this is done is through the state being the custodian of the land. No persons property(house, farm, business) will be taken away from anyone except that the state is at the center of what should happen on the land.
So i stay 10 years on land, build a house of 1 million, then after 10 years I get a job in another province...what happens, do i lose everything and accept the smaller land with a tin shack in the other province becuase government says thats the only land they have for me? Where does the next generation get land from or must they toyi-toyi to be given your land?....its a stupid idea and cannot work!
Yes and all this state power worked wonderfully well in other countries right? Wrong. Read history
@@Greg65 so tell how do black people get land we buy it becouse we don't money but you white people are in an advantage because of apartheid so it can't remain like that
You puke proven unworkable communism
Lunacy
Do people actually think Julius will share the land and mines wealth after he takes it over 😂😂😂
Expropriation of land in Zimbabwe is a perfect example of how “well” it works.
What you guys never talk about is the sanctions that were imposed on Zim, Venezuela etc, hence why they their economies have suffered its not because you expropriation lead to the downfall.
If we are being honest, the land act was a form of expropriation of land without compensation as well, a bunch of white people displaced millions of black SAn from their land but Apartheid SA did not fall into the same fate, that's because the world turned a blind eye and continued to trade with SA.
So it's that simple we expropriate and lucky for us we now have an alternative in BRICS.
Don't worry Chantal , yours and my future, our children's future is safe in the hands of the EFF.
@@siyabongamazibuko7368 believe that at your own peril… I’m not here to convince you otherwise. Good luck
Stop making a complete idiot of yourself....do you ever bother to listen how the EFF want to distribute land...I personally know a farmer who own 13farms and he is a batchelor aged 80....my neibor got one farm of 40 000ha ...also a batchelor...he is so rich he dont farm on it....and I know many many rich farmers...one of my family members has got two 19 000ha farms next to each other and that is only a small part of their farmimg enterprise....while millions live in sub human conditions....something has to be done....and yes...White folkes did got land for free...my own forfathers got some of that land and ended up sticking rich...the people that moan abot this are NOT farmers...its no brainers who sit in their ivory towers wishing the problem away....
@@siyabongamazibuko7368 The sanctions were because of the land expropriation without compensation it's against International law. Google it lnternation law and human rights.
If you break international laws, you will face economy sanctions. No you are wrong SA faced really heavy sanctions because of Apartheid. You should learn about that. No ones was allowed to invest in SA, SA's gold and dollars were taking away. Huge amount of companies withdrew from SA. they also banned imports. SA then made the Krugerrand to try and get around this. You should learn your history.
BRICS is falling apart.
China has been hit by massive floods and a housing crisis.
Russia is trying so hard to say a float. Blocking people from withdrawing money, blocking people from leaving. They have arrested a lot of their work force.
Indian is going amazing.
Brazil is doing better but that have so many issues.
@@siyabongamazibuko7368 Just so you know all the counrties that did this ended up recalling it. Zim ended up paying all the White farms a total of $3.8 Bil and is now giving white boar farms free land. After that thing have really improved by 200%.
Just so you know white people only have like 22% of land according to the 2021/2022 land reform audit. Most are commercial farms or game reserves.
Just so you know if the EFF win or join the ANC White people will steal Cape Town and make it a new countries.
I love the fact that you guys had discutions about hard questions and it stayed civilized. Thanks ladies and gents!!! I'm starting to understand allot more about this land issues. I now understand better. It would have been nice if the EFF lady could explain it better.
The Government does OWN large tracts of Land and continues to acquire more as well as all the former HOMELANDS territories are Black owned (huge tracts) further the Black middleclass owns urban properties plus Township individual properties are also given Titledeeds. How do you go back to the 1800's, when Tribes attacked each other for land, when treaties were made with Settlers, the Afrikaners helped some Tribes settle scores with others and were GIVEN land by local Kings, the British made War here in several territories too...that same land has been Developed & sold several times. The population was only 3 million in total and today it is 60 million, soon it might be 120 million people???
Gareth, Socialism is doomed to fail - most of us know that, but please, let the poor lady and Jamie finish their arguments 🤦 you kept butting in
I am not a socialist but I do think there are problems with land ownership in South Africa.
There is lots of vacant land. Everyone in Eastern Cape always so proud to let us know how much free land they have.
@@sadecallumSince when is the Eastern Cape South Africa ????
Socialism has failed 😂😂😂 please define socialism maybe I don't know it help me
Most Alex ppl comes from rural land/areas , so they not really interested on land cos they r there for work means live there not permanent
Gareth, you speak so much sense. This guy has no idea what he is talking about. What nonsense
So what are the eff's party manifesto & principles?
Thanks for asking. First of all, we want the land. Second of all, we want the mines. Third of all, we want the banks.
Cool, thanks for that clarity.
Most land is owned by government in SA
Wow this podcast is amazing! Now I have something else to listen to apart from Sam Harris and David Ansara.
The EFF was really misrepresented here🙈 This lady cannot explain anything and they're really dragging her 😅
True that hey, I was really disappointed in her, the brother even tried to help out coz he saw how they were dragging and trying to embarrass her. I guess this serves as a clear example why Juju is always emphasizing on the importance of having, learned and well trained public representatives. Coz it's easy to mesmerize the masses in confusion if there is no clear articulation of the relevant policies that the EFF holds.
Doesn't Julius live in Santon?
I'm so MAD!
Why did the EFF select her to represent us, she did so poorly.
It's shocking how you can still support the EFF when they constantly get exposed
@IDKY313 this is by far the worst interview I've seen from an EFF member, however I do understand just because you're in politics it doesn't mean you ,yourself are able to articulate the vision and mission on the movement even though you may understand it.
Also I think language was a barrier. I support the EFF because they are truly the voice of the voiceless, the most impoverished and most intelligent bunch of leaders we have in SA as a collective.
@@siyabongamazibuko7368 Well that's simply not true because if they were the most intelligent politicians they would know their policies will not work in fact it will make everybody poor.
These are some reasons why it will never work.
1. Socialism sounds too good. It’s almost impossible to argue against free education, free healthcare, free entertainment, equality and respect. Specially when these speeches are targeted to the low, tradionally opressed (and sadly, mostly uneducated) masses. This trait is far too dangerous, for people can too easily feel they are on “the right side of history”. Their conviction will drive them to great lenghts
2. We are not born equal and thats the hard truth. Some people are brighter, some are not. Some are richer and some are poorer. Forcibly trying to close these gaps leads very quickly to resentment. Hate grows too easily, and social classes are inmediately confronted. Socialism, by the way, feeds on this conflict to sustain it’s rhetoric. The need of an enemy.
3.Socialism is, in reality, State-Capitalism. There is one great evil to any economy: monopoly. And one great saviour: free-market competition. Socialist Regimes claim that by gradually seizing part (or all) the means of production from the private sectors, they will guarantee access to all. Yet, all they do is increase their power and establish a Monopoly where only the State produces goods. The State becomes both a player and a referee. This can too easily lead to corruption, abuse and incompetence.
4. People do not see beyond their own noses. “Low prices, high salaries, beautiful speeches…what’s not to like? Let us ignore those experts predicting the failure of our state, and advocating for free market. They are likely financed by Capitalist Elite trying to destroy us, anyways.” Certainly, the masses only see what’s in front of them: cheap prices and a charismatic leader so thr votes just keep rolling in
Hi Siya, are you maybe able to assist her by explaining, in the most simplest way possible, how does the EFF plan to execute their land expropriation policy ?
When they say the land without compensation they mean the land that is not used or owned by people that are not even here in South Africa, people's Houses will not be taken
Everyday people understand land as a home or place to build a home, but no one will agree to the state owing the land. PEOPLE want property rights.
D more she explains d more she contradicts herself
Damn it Gareth, Stop interrupting.!
She is right about the Eff shining the spotlight on issues. I have never known about most of these issues until the EFF. I might not agree on their prescriptions, but she definitely brought them to the forefront.
The eff backtracked nicely on the "ANC alignment" EFF and ANC are joined at the hip. EFF are merely hoping the ANC break a hip.
You guys kept interrupting her. Please let her finish explaning then ask questions.
Please Bring Sinawo Tambo next time, I would really really love to see something 🤞🏿🤞🏿
The only solution is to completely revolutionise the education system. That will change inequality, and wealth for all. Then you can work hard, buy a house, buy a farm and own it!
She mentions a state hospital and how its a failure, and then they want all farms to be government run as well 😂😂😂
Show us 1 state farm that produces food ? Just 1...
But the apartheid government managed the state institutions well. They were of Good quality, what makes you think a new government cannot?
@@mgcinajezile4689the state of government enterprises makes me think that.
@@carelienventer1960 if it was done before it can be done Again. The idea of giving power to the state
So jamie sits with the rest of his louche gauloise smoking chums and has now ascertained that his poll is superior to a statistical sample…. Jamie ‘no one is smart but me’ keep it going!!
Stalinist russia? The eff are closer in outlook to Pol Pot
Without Malema and Shivambu the EFF is doomed
😂😂Ohhh really!!!!!!!!!!!
@@zithuleleshandu5384 uyimamele leinterview? if to you that was a stellar performance then you and her 🤞🏾
Really
Agree- her explanation was not fruitful
The government (ANC) owns alot of land but they choose to rent it out (privately and illegally) or sell it to foreign counties, before helping out rsa citizens.
People will work because the manufacturing will be encouraged and the tender system will be cancelled so that people can have permanent jobs
Phumi pulls no punches
YOU WILL GET NOTHING...DONT BE FOOLED..
The fact that JM as ANC youth league leader - when dismissed - took his fillowers with him.
Ill say this old Gareth… i saw the eff beret and the vacupus fizog of Jamie and nearly gave this a skip! Im so glad that I didnt! The eff and their bearded shill have been so very nicely exposed!!
When Ntokozo opens her mouth the average IQ in a room immediately halves
Until Jamie open his mouth
Phumi- the only level headed person asking the appropriate questions. Gareth, I share your passion and you are correct but please give the people a chance to talk.
EFF- all land but not Gareths house😅 nevertheless left me confused on her explanation -contradictive
This Ntokozo lady was drowning… was there nobody to help her from her party???
She's embarrassing me those are simple questions
They asking stupid questions and i am sure
The eff should do detailed research on how the singaporian state custodianship of land works. She would have been able to give better answers and explanations after doing that work.😅😅..
And the people will be taught how to farm because right now they leave the rural areas to the urban because no one is teaching them
EFF supporters pls give us 1 example where Communism/Socialism has worked?
China and Singapore
China and Russia opened their economies long ago to private investors. Singapore is not communist. This nonsense does not work
They should take the E out of their party name. No clue about Economics. They can even change the name to the WTF.. instead of EFF.
@@Therealnetworkpodcast Perhaps the second part, yes. Though I'm sure one can easily detect the tongue in cheek tone to it.
The EFF have nice individuals, but in a group they can themselves come across as extreme. And when one looks at the Tweets by their members, some of them ARE actually very extreme. So talking about extremities... Anyway..
I am from Alex and i get angry when someone makes example of Alex. Most ppl living in Alex are immigrants from different provinces and they do have land in their homeland. EFF its just a comedy Central nje.
Land is capital that can be used to generate more capital. Personally, I could think of nothing worse than having to generate capital out of land. I would be completely useless at it and so would over 90% of the country's population. I'd rather generate capital that is compatible with my skillset. I was watching an interview with Julius who disagreed with the capitalist notion that people are generally selfish. Even if I grant him that MOST people are not selfish, it takes only a handful of selfish people at the top to ruin everything for everyone. This is the mistake that communist countries make over and over.
I could've killed these questions. They should call me next time.
i could not watch this more than 20min. coz our lady cannot explain 3 simple policies...
Ntokozo they we're pushing but hoped you learned my sister
Guys ask question and give her chance to reso😊
But the spot ligtht didn't shine from the PAC
Cuba 2.0
Look, I found value in terms of at the very least understanding more or less what the EFF is about. The youth deserves a future. Many young people look up to the EFF. Also, having said that, I don't get the feeling of "it is not about us, it is about being in service of others". Capitalism is not perfect but socialist economies governments control production, distribution and prices. There are two types of socialism (democratic and communism), if the EFF have Marxist-Leninist intentions then you are look at communism. Period. Like I said, capitalism is not perfect but it is by far the better. You want to fix SA? Then right now, given the priorities of the EFF according to this interview/discussion is not suited. That is my opinion, that is my right, that is the beauty of 'freedom of speech' you have the right to disagree (or agree) but if the past serves as a predicate then I will receive hate. To my haters, take note, you have the right to disagree... in terms of discrimination, slander, hate-speech you have no right.
You got the wrong EFF member that can not articulate herself.....
True that hey, I was really disappointed in her, the brother even tried to help out coz he saw how they were dragging and trying to embarrass her. I guess this serves as a clear example why Juju is always emphasizing on the importance of having, learned and well trained public representatives. Coz it's easy to mesmerize the masses in confusion if there is no clear articulation of the relevant policies that the EFF holds.
Isn't it funny how the people who know the least about Socialism want to know the least about Socialism...
1. Let's talk private property
Private property should be defined with in the context of Marx, Engel and Orwell.
2. Expropriation of Land
Is called abolition of Private property.
3. Nationalization of Banks: speaks to the Nationalization of the reserve Bank and Changing its mandate from its current position to a pro Worker mandate.
1. Private property includes all members of state are the State because they make up the state.
The State made of the People democratically and government who interests are its citizens above Capital.
Let's state it categorically clear:
That as is the state is aligned to Capital and not its people because if owe the bank they can put you out of your house...
How many people have been Chucked out of the daily? I don't see that in RDP housing...?
So to address the exploitation of our state property, being its people resources and wealth... How do we insure this by the abolition of Private property meaning we renegotiate our position... The land which Capital will be on will be charged appropriately... So we define clearly who is Capital:
State citizens are funded buy state... Like Toyota etc...
So we fund state projects... Car manufacturing, inter state property trading meaning we allow the State to enter into free market with itself...
Building African Economy...
2. Expropriation of Land is the Abolition of private property:
2.1 So like now all state resources will be equality distributed: meaning the rural areas are will be funded to start funding African products to export...
2.2 Farms which have made millions have made it on the backs of black people... And even today they still live like slaves... Their chlild of a Farm worker has no dignity even when their parents made million of them....
Expropriation of Land in this case addresses 2.2 1. Exploitation of the of state private property by Capital (so human resources are state property).
So the state makes sure that No state property can be exploited by Capital in their own land
2.2.2 the state would determine lease contracts and wage of the farm workers. So where capital no longer wants to do business the state can make sure that there are no mass retrenchments.
I could go in and on....
call me on your show to properly explain Socialism
I think if she would have spoken in her home language i think we would understand better.because obviously the EFF is that stupid to compromise land value the isnt about your house but means of production
🙈the next Zimbabwe!!!
Garrerth can you learn to let a person finish to explain,then you ask the questions
Every single one of us needs to encourage people to register and vote! 👏
We not struggling you just act like you smart
This woman could not represent the EFF well.
Guys this lady is not sure of what is talking about
This lady has no clue what she's talking about
The banks I agree with the eff we need to own our own resources like Arab countries with their oil and all the greed must fall we have a blueprints like Gaddafi Libya don't listen to those who criticize the ideology
The problem is that you think if something is owned by the state it is automatically yours which is untrue. Malema's govt can own banks and mines but you will remain poor. Do proper research about this nonsense called communism.
this page just pushes propaganda and Gareth isn't wheeling to listen.
Go ahead...Keep wishing the problem away !!!!
Malema forever baba