Me: "I need a new bike" Jeff: "Equipment is only needed once your training is on point and you can't lose more weight" Me: *260lbs* "Damnit Jeff... I wanted a new bike"
I joined a practice race last week on a fixie. I was half surprised I was allowed to join. It was actually easy to hang in the front all race but the finish line was on a descent so I lost in the sprint... :(
I’ve been binging on your videos a lot. It brings back a lot of memories. I was Cat 4 in 2010 about to cat up when I crashed in a crit and broke the crap out of my collarbone. I lost the love of the bike, not to mention the medical deductible for next to no care (it was all diagnosis and some pain meds), since then, I rarely ride, but you’re getting me thinking about getting back into it. Thanks. I wish I did some of the same stuff to my collar bone that you had done.
Physcology makes such a huge difference and is tangible.... you could of spent the off season busting your hole... but slapping on your brand new wheels or even your new colour coordinated sunnies and then you feel bullet proof!!! Training is the base... emotion adds the plus
I love bikes! I love talking bikes! Yes, I picked up a bike tool kit and found that I needed almost everything in it at some point. And, Jeff's power curve is insane. Over 750w for 1-minute is massive.
I have never been interested in bike racing until now and your channel has been an absolute gem. Your race analysis is not only elite but the way in which you break down situations and strategies and even etiquette really motivate me to get into the sport. Me being a results guy first then looks has made this new journey a little daunting but still exciting. I am now more confident in picking up a couple hundred-dollar bike to get into a training program like the one you referred to. I am excited to see future content and I am excited for the day I send you my first race footage to hear your analysis. This video shed a lot of light on what my focus is going to be when getting into the sport. Thank you.
If you want full on bike geekary, and a new component day, then its TT bikes all the way! There are so many little things to upgrade that make a actual quantifiable difference, Like even getting a new silly big 60 thooth chainring feels bloody awesome.
enve is good. zipps are ehh. shimano is ehh. bontrager is actually really good 2 year warranty on the carbon even if you crash them. lifetime for manufacture defects. and the 108 rapid drive hub is top notch
on cheap ebay carbon wheels, i paid $525 for 60mm clinchers and have well over 40,000 miles and ridden plenty of gravel on road tires only had to change cassette bodies a couple of times. i guess i've been lucky...
@@mark-1234 60 mm deep 23mm wide bought them before the wider 25s existed. dont know the brand of rim. rim brake, no special brake track novatec hubs seller is not around anymore. they have been pretty bombproof, look terrible with the clear coat coming off but that's from my abuse...
Jeff, I was riding 2011 Specialized Secteur r105 10 speed. After a restructure in my life, I, in July 2022, had the opportunity to buy an SL7 Expert with ulterga 12 speed d2i. I was looking to order a bike for spring 2023 at the time. Wow, the step up was amazing. I reckon a 10% lift in performance in terms of the time delta on the same ride just weeks apart. The SL7 is far too much bike for me, but I love it. My point, I think, is to buy the best you can afford, and perhaps save a little longer to achieve a bigger upgrade, as you will only upgrade again further down the line, meaning I got to the SL7 without 2 bikes in-between. Simplist model, I know, but I also know my cycling will grow into the SL7. Great work on the channel. All the best in 2023.
@@conman1395 - Well under. I think I only paid $130 for my Mavic Elite rear (1240 grams), and my Oval 327 is an ounce lighter and in the same price range and includes bladed spokes. I like the Ovals but the Shimano HG freehub that comes with it doesn't fare well with water and dirt. I've locked up two of them in a two year period.
My equipment Journey (all bought new from my measly savings): 1973 Caloi Racer - yellow; 1978 Puch - silver: 1987 Cannondale SR1000 - blue (Shimano Sante!!); 1992 DeRosa Primato - white (with switch to Campy Record); 1997 DeRosa Planet - two tone blue; 2010 Cervelo R3; 2013 CAAD 10; 2016 Bianchi Infinito CV. Still ride the CAAD10 when in the US, only with Campy 12 speed now and WTO wheels - great bike.
Just finished the video. Im 42 and just started Oct of 2020. Got a base allez 2015 model (I bought it bnew, it was an old new stock). Hopefully will go full carbon next year after I lose more weight and can start racing.
21:57, I was always amazed how loud a crit crash can be, and never got used to them. I "retired" after two crashes, one broken helmet, and a couple cat 5 wins lol. I really enjoy your videos.
Completely agree with getting a power meter over a good bike... bought a $1000 bike and equipped it with a $650 Garmin Vector 3 pedal based power meter and a $450 Wahoo head unit, and trained very well with it, before saving up and splashing out on a carbon bike
I've owned a replica Pinarello F10 with 88mm deep section chinese wheels. It was scary not because of the reliability issue, but because it performs so well. If you're planning on building one just be sure you're really knowledgeable in building bikes or just have a good mechanic.
Back on the bike 2011 £300 full aluminium 8 spd unbranded microshift 2013 10 spd 105 Aluminium frame/carbon fork… 2016 Same as above better bike CUBE… 2018 - Full Carbon 105 another Cube 2021 TCR 105 and Disc 2022 Propel Rival Etap added to the TCR and upgraded TCR to 50mm and one piece carbon cockpit… The amount of people I see go top end off the bat is madness, start low , see if you actually enjoy and have confidence riding roads firstly…
@@neelsahay5227 I think you'll be fine with Yoeleo, big company, good quality control, UCI approved.........I've Been Racing crits and road running wheels from lightcarbon.com for 2 years now, still good to go. I'm very mechanically inclined but definitely no engineer but they seem built very well in comparison to other name brands and i've ridden them hard. I also just recently purchased a set of gravel wheels from Winspace and I'm extremely happy with them. I think its only a roll of the dice if your purchasing on amazon/ebay/aliexpress etc. I'll continue to purchase economically. Neither set was over $800. If people wanna spend 2-3k+ on wheelsets then hey, cool!
@@sureshot1109 I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. Jeff touches on this in the vid as well. Imo the only unfortunate part of the story is the quality control on the high end, although miles better than unbranded Chinese products, is still often pretty shoddy. I think the best rule of thumb regarding carbon is to stick with companies that have complete control over their manufacturing process (Giant, Time, Look, Yoeleo).
Over 3,500 miles on my Yoeleo wheels 60/60. Love em. One key thing was to get the aluminum brake track instead of the carbon to avoid delamination problems. Less sexy, more weight but no worries!
Got a pair of Farsports Federer DT 240 exp ratchet. Work flawlessly over last 1-2k miles and mounted tubeless GP5K with a track pump. Shipped to SF in 3 weeks. Highly recommend the wheels. They were $1k so not “cheap” but at 1200 grams with the 240 ratchet the equivalent name brand would be in the $2-3k range. You can save money on the exp ratchet (DT 350’s are just fine) but I wanted to try out. For reference I weigh 68kg with 320ish FTP, 1.3k max power and ride 150-200 miles a week in the Bay Area (which they perform well on hills and negligible crosswind issues for 35mm deep). Outside of them collapsing mid ride I’ve always just considered the build being basically free at these prices so you can always take the hubs and DT spokes to an ENVE rim if all else fails. BTW Jeff sign me up for the next couch to crit. I’m a clean slate with no race experience, ready to do some Cat5 salutes!
Bike dork in the house 🙋🏻♂️ I did too started on a 2017 TCR, then got Aeoulus Pro 5 and a power meter. Now I upgraded to a 2021 Cervelo S3 killer machine. Interesting to see similar bike paths !!!
after 4 years on a used 400€ alloy bike, last fall I bought the new canyon aeroad (kind of regret it now with the seattube troubles, even though mine seems fine)
@@thodarktimes1814 because due to the wether I only road it once. But hey it felt super awesome. And I hope that the rubber cap that they will send you in march will fix the problems
Just ordered a set of Chinese carbon directly from China using taobao.com(it's like Amazon/eBay in China) where you can actually message the guy at the factory to customize any option you want for the wheel(rim depth, finishing, spoke, and hub brand). The wheelset costs me 1500CNY(250ish USD). 45mm 25c, power way hub. The seller also offers DT 350 hub for another 2000CNY. Can't wait to try them out. I might do an unboxing video about it.
There are Chinese carbon wheels and Chinese carbon wheels, these days there are Chinese Brands starting to break through, brands like farsports and lightbicycle. These brands have built a good reputation and are respected by a lot of the big forums. The other Chinese carbon wheels are the no name nock of ebay AliExpress wheels these are made to simply make money with very cheap carbon and hubs
Winspace makes some decent Chinese wheels, worth looking at. Personally, I buy Campagnolo rim brake wheels. Campy wheels are Significantly less expensive than Zipps, but same high quality standards.
Jeff, did Logan upgrade his groupset from claris to ultegra, or did he simply put the ultegra crankset with power meter on the bike with the rest drivetrain being claris?
Hey norcal Thank you for this. I just realized that cycling is just always there and I am gonna focus on my career to become an engineer to buy stuffs. I am currentyl using a 1979 trek road bike and heavy aluminum wheels. At 30 we can perform like that or closer. Thank you
Fond memories of sharing 2 of your bikes. I rode the same BH Ultralight from ~2014 to 2016, then the felt f1 from 2016 to a month ago. That felt especially is a great frame, provided you ride in aggressive position due to the crazily short (pro) headtube.
Light Bicycle buys their carbon hoops overseas but assembles them in the US/Canada. You can get DT Swiss and other name brand hubs with good quality spokes and nipples... My carbon set with DT350s was $800.
The problem here is local races are very less. Its all big races like the states and nationals and everyone is one super stoked equipment😢. But I did make the decision of power meter over bike/wheels last year and I do not regret
Chinese carbon - I have disc break lightbicycle rims on DT Swiss hubs! hopefully they work long term. Fortunately I shouldn't have the same issues you did for both of your wheels :)
Yes you are correct the high $$ wheel companies such as Zipp, Enve, etc.. have marketing dollars due to the success by the attested product that proves itself.The majority of money has gone into Research, development and production From a SRAM person I was told wheels are a 4 year stage develop to production. Budget wheels from Scott/ Trek/ Specialized are good but the are budget for a reason. Im on 3 years with no wheel trues or retape on my SES 5.6 wheels, running GP5000TL, Corsa Speeds 2.0 & 700x25 66-90PSL And now SES tires. Tubeless set up They carrying speeds on high-end wheels is night and day compared to the budget wheels
Hey, don't be too mean to alu bikes! I got a CAAD13 last year and have racked up a load of 6hr+ big days on it. If you can't afford a full carbon bike, a carbon seat post alone can do wonders for your butt! Loving this series btw.
32:07 Measure your heart rate instead of your power output. Train according to your heart rate. For beginners this is most important. Learn to keep up sprinting speeds regardless of heart rate fluctuations for race-drafting purposes later when you have spent a couple years building up a proper aerobic base.
@@NorCalCycling as a 45 yr old beginner , why no? I'm trying to decide what to buy next- heart rate watch/strap or power meter/bike computer- or do you have other advice? I have Strava, and my phone right now. Cheers! Love the vids!
@@charlesjungclaus HR is subject to change (fatigue, sleep, stress, etc..), power is not. Power is unquestionably the better (the best?) training tool.
@@NorCalCycling thanks! So power meter before heart rate. Power meter or smart indoor trainer first? I only have (maybe) enough money for one or the other as I want wheel off trainer.
Although this is an older question, of course buy a power meter over an indoor trainer. Indoor training sucks. But if you need to train indoor you can still use your power meter on your bike with a cheap indoor trainer.
Not just marketing but R&D the research and development that goes into the development of the product by the name brand people is generally much higher than the no-name carbon.
Or the R&D that goes into building the wheels. They're designing and developing them from close to scratch where Chinese/third party stuff is often just copied from what exists so they're not having to put $$ into R&D. That's also part of the reason they're cheap you don't need to recoup the R&D cost.
Personal experience: I've seen a lot of USED high end bikes in lower cats (I've asked other racers) because of eBay and craigslist (my 2014 Venge included). The money I saved in purchase I put into better parts, etc. and I'm just as light and fast (against my peers, not upper cats) as some of the more expensive new stuff. In my area (the east coast), if you are starting triathlons, you'll get a crazy deal on the number of TT bikes available, most only raced once or twice. A lot of disposable 'new hobby, quickly lost interest' income in my area. lol
Love that the saved legs or lack there of for quite a few years, aligns with the minute changes needed later in your progress! Question is will "young Jeff" shave his legs day 1??? lol
Anyone else pick up the new ‘22 Allez Sprint?… it’s a phenomenal bike. Just took mine out for its maiden 20 miler… wheels suck… but the rest of the build is just great.
@@NorCalCycling I think this would be an interesting topic to explore in a future video. Based on my personal observations, good cyclists almost always start having results right away. It seems every pro tells a story of winning his/her first race, and every cat 1/2 seems to have jumped to at least a cat 3 within his/her first year of racing. Would be interesting to profile different riders progression, and I'd be interested if you could find any stories of riders winning p/1/2 races after multiple years of being a cat 3/4/5.
@@prototoast It’s not strange that the most gifted riders in the world were good starting out. If you have no talent and have to spend years of training to advance from cat 5 to 4, you’ll never be good. Research shows that after 4 years of structured training, you’ve reached 99% of your endurance potential. Just look at Roglic.
Generally the first stage that people go to is a several thousand dollar bike to go faster. Instead if you spend a few hundred dollars on top quality tyres you'll gain a few kmh. Changing from shallow aluminium training wheels to 50-80mm carbon rims will add more kmh than pretty near any frame will. The frame is the most expensive part to buy you some extra speed.
The GP Force + Attack are $AUD126 and 10.0W and 11.6W for the pair. The GP5000 TL at $80 each and 8.3W are also under $200 for the pair and a potentially greater saving than a couple of k on an "aero" frame.
I have seen your video, it is very useful, there are lots of bikes. Roadbikes, of course, the prices are very expensive. You can only see in your video, I hope your video, your channel, remains successful, Amazing, very good
fwiw i have zipp firecrests and yeoleo and they are both fantastic (both disc brake, the Yeoleos have DT swiss 350 hubs). i looked into the company a lot before buying them. i think i like the Ys more because i paid less.
Chinese carbon wheels are great these days. They've really improved in the last 5 years. Just stay away from the unbraded cheapo stuff and get Farsports, Lun, Light Bicycle, Elite, Yeoleo etc wheels.
I just put some money down on a BMC ALR disc 2, $2300 msrp. They gave me 3 months to pay it off on lay-away plan. Do you think it’s worth the money to spend another 1000 to get into a carbon frame? I am a beginner too. I will be looking into doing the program you mentioned here. I would like to get into some crits. Really enjoy your racing vids. Back to bikes, i considered trek and specialized but deliveries in my size are march 2022 or later. Giant and BMC are the two brands that have a little better availability at my LBS’s. If i can get my hands on an entry level Giant TCR, i might go for that instead. It’s about $2700.
I was going to try to race on a local track, then I went on a bike path and averaged 11 miles an hour and realized I didn't know how to turn.... 90 degree corners on the streets teach you nothing. Can't go on track with other people and put them in danger. Straight line efforts are fine, I can sprint over 30 mph most of the time, turns, not possible, don't understand.
Hey, what do you recommend for a guy who is in great shape who just turned 62 years old been riding all my life. Thank you 🙏 Peace Out ✌️ my equipment is Trek emonda SL6 2018 with rim breaks chain ring just changed to a 52 teeth rear cassette is stock, 23mm wide wheels 110 psi Thank you 🙏 Peace Out ✌️
I enjoy all your videos and this is one of my fav! How was it going from rim to disc brakes? I'm a frugal non competitive cyclist and always wondered if it's worth going disc for my next bike :)
I noticed you switched from Vittoria Rubino Pro to Continental GP 4000. I did the same and I'm wondering what was your reason, sponsorship or simply preference?
lol, some foreshadowing maybe... 23:30 talks about teammates riding tubeless, and not adopting due to being used to tubes, then goes on to say he's a late adopter of a power meter.
"No fan no improvement". I doubt it. You can be doing a few watts but if your hr is high, it's because you are working hard, and then your body will adapt the same as when you are putting out high watts
@@NorCalCycling trainer road just put out a video on heat training 3 hours prior to you posting this video to you tube. I think what they do say there on that video that high end interval work should be done with the big fan. So, I think you are correct in saying that trying to get the high intensity work in, you need to be cool to hit the high intensity, high power output. However the statement you make on your video , I forget how you said it " if you don't have a fan you are not getting anything out of it" that, is quite an INCORRECT statement. Go watch trainer roads heat training video published today and you will see that doing sweetspot or zone 2 ( on a 5 zone system) will improve fitness performance in both hot and cold conditions. It's called heat training. Perhaps the scientist they interview is completely off base and his experiment flawed. However, I think it is more likely that the statement you make here in your video is not correct. Let me know what you think after viewing that tr video.
@@hebrews11vs5 if you're adapting to heat, then sure take the fans away and do a low intensity low duration ride, just don't expect any performance improvement. You made no mention of heat adaption in your original post and said "..your body will adapt the same as when you are putting out high watts" which is incorrect. Just want to make sure you're not making the same mistake I once did and equating high heart rate with performance improvements, so you can optimize your training.
@@NorCalCycling a few time stamps like 16 minutes, 30 to 33 and somewhere in the 1:12:00to 1:13 :00 range are interesting. " for some athletes heat training yields performance benefit " made on trainer road heat training video from today,at 32:38 by the guy they interviewed. Regarding your concern, people with only hr and no pwr meter, they will struggle to train effectively. Perhaps you were training on hr only back in the day? And yeah, these days, it's a bit of a mistake not to be training with a power meter. Thanks for this series here, I am enjoying watching these episodes.
hey jeff i don't know if you still read comments but i see you also have screws in your collarbone, i crashed last week and had a similar surgery and i wanna know if i can keep the screws and the plate in my body or if they will take it off? my doctor refuses to answer this question. TIA.
So what you're telling me is I CAN race with my fuji team rc from like 2013? Are you offering any other trainings like this one? I'd love any info if you are.
Me: "I need a new bike"
Jeff: "Equipment is only needed once your training is on point and you can't lose more weight"
Me: *260lbs* "Damnit Jeff... I wanted a new bike"
Message received...contesting my next crit on a single speed fixie
Red hook crit
I'm borrowing me mums city bike complete with carry basket for the aero gains.
redhook time
I joined a practice race last week on a fixie. I was half surprised I was allowed to join. It was actually easy to hang in the front all race but the finish line was on a descent so I lost in the sprint... :(
I’ve been binging on your videos a lot. It brings back a lot of memories. I was Cat 4 in 2010 about to cat up when I crashed in a crit and broke the crap out of my collarbone. I lost the love of the bike, not to mention the medical deductible for next to no care (it was all diagnosis and some pain meds), since then, I rarely ride, but you’re getting me thinking about getting back into it. Thanks.
I wish I did some of the same stuff to my collar bone that you had done.
"You're chasing a team mate, probably" LMAO
Physcology makes such a huge difference and is tangible.... you could of spent the off season busting your hole... but slapping on your brand new wheels or even your new colour coordinated sunnies and then you feel bullet proof!!!
Training is the base... emotion adds the plus
I love bikes! I love talking bikes! Yes, I picked up a bike tool kit and found that I needed almost everything in it at some point. And, Jeff's power curve is insane. Over 750w for 1-minute is massive.
I have never been interested in bike racing until now and your channel has been an absolute gem. Your race analysis is not only elite but the way in which you break down situations and strategies and even etiquette really motivate me to get into the sport. Me being a results guy first then looks has made this new journey a little daunting but still exciting. I am now more confident in picking up a couple hundred-dollar bike to get into a training program like the one you referred to. I am excited to see future content and I am excited for the day I send you my first race footage to hear your analysis. This video shed a lot of light on what my focus is going to be when getting into the sport. Thank you.
If you want full on bike geekary, and a new component day, then its TT bikes all the way! There are so many little things to upgrade that make a actual quantifiable difference, Like even getting a new silly big 60 thooth chainring feels bloody awesome.
He said name brand wheels and went straight to bontrager, skipping over the glory of shimano, zipp and enve.
enve is good. zipps are ehh. shimano is ehh. bontrager is actually really good 2 year warranty on the carbon even if you crash them. lifetime for manufacture defects. and the 108 rapid drive hub is top notch
Amazing vid, love to see the progression and the takeaway message. Powermeter and training is essential
on cheap ebay carbon wheels, i paid $525 for 60mm clinchers and have well over 40,000 miles and ridden plenty of gravel on road tires only had to change cassette bodies a couple of times. i guess i've been lucky...
Brand/model? Rim/disc?
@@mark-1234 60 mm deep 23mm wide bought them before the wider 25s existed. dont know the brand of rim. rim brake, no special brake track novatec hubs seller is not around anymore. they have been pretty bombproof, look terrible with the clear coat coming off but that's from my abuse...
Jeff, I was riding 2011 Specialized Secteur r105 10 speed. After a restructure in my life, I, in July 2022, had the opportunity to buy an SL7 Expert with ulterga 12 speed d2i. I was looking to order a bike for spring 2023 at the time. Wow, the step up was amazing. I reckon a 10% lift in performance in terms of the time delta on the same ride just weeks apart. The SL7 is far too much bike for me, but I love it. My point, I think, is to buy the best you can afford, and perhaps save a little longer to achieve a bigger upgrade, as you will only upgrade again further down the line, meaning I got to the SL7 without 2 bikes in-between. Simplist model, I know, but I also know my cycling will grow into the SL7.
Great work on the channel. All the best in 2023.
Logan just get Hunt aluminum rims for your Allez. Very light with good hubs and only ~1420 grams. Also tubeless if you want
Mavics and Ovals are lighter than that.
Pfftt, Kinlin XR200 wheels, 1260g (weight limit 135 lbs though).
@@mark-1234 for under $500?
@@conman1395 - Well under. I think I only paid $130 for my Mavic Elite rear (1240 grams), and my Oval 327 is an ounce lighter and in the same price range and includes bladed spokes.
I like the Ovals but the Shimano HG freehub that comes with it doesn't fare well with water and dirt. I've locked up two of them in a two year period.
@@mark-1234 holy shit, wow
My equipment Journey (all bought new from my measly savings): 1973 Caloi Racer - yellow; 1978 Puch - silver: 1987 Cannondale SR1000 - blue (Shimano Sante!!); 1992 DeRosa Primato - white (with switch to Campy Record); 1997 DeRosa Planet - two tone blue; 2010 Cervelo R3; 2013 CAAD 10; 2016 Bianchi Infinito CV.
Still ride the CAAD10 when in the US, only with Campy 12 speed now and WTO wheels - great bike.
I do my maintenance in my living room. 🥲
Just finished the video. Im 42 and just started Oct of 2020. Got a base allez 2015 model (I bought it bnew, it was an old new stock). Hopefully will go full carbon next year after I lose more weight and can start racing.
21:57, I was always amazed how loud a crit crash can be, and never got used to them. I "retired" after two crashes, one broken helmet, and a couple cat 5 wins lol. I really enjoy your videos.
Completely agree with getting a power meter over a good bike... bought a $1000 bike and equipped it with a $650 Garmin Vector 3 pedal based power meter and a $450 Wahoo head unit, and trained very well with it, before saving up and splashing out on a carbon bike
I've owned a replica Pinarello F10 with 88mm deep section chinese wheels. It was scary not because of the reliability issue, but because it performs so well. If you're planning on building one just be sure you're really knowledgeable in building bikes or just have a good mechanic.
Would you mind sharing the links to your purchase? Also, what did you use for the groupsets? 😊
14:57 what are these things on your Legs? I heard Animals had hair on their Legs, but cyclists?
Back on the bike 2011 £300 full aluminium 8 spd unbranded microshift
2013 10 spd 105 Aluminium frame/carbon fork…
2016 Same as above better bike CUBE…
2018 - Full Carbon 105 another Cube
2021 TCR 105 and Disc
2022 Propel Rival Etap added to the TCR and upgraded TCR to 50mm and one piece carbon cockpit…
The amount of people I see go top end off the bat is madness, start low , see if you actually enjoy and have confidence riding roads firstly…
Jeff!!! I started on the EXACT same Fuji!!! Brand new it was $1250 in 2008... listed at 19.9 lbs!!!
Cool, I’m gonna start racing on a steel bike
I'm 500 miles on my Yoeleo wheels...very happy.
I have my fingers crossed for you!
trust Yoeleo whole lot more than Zipp, ill tell ya that fosho.
For what its worth Im not exactly an "armchair" carbon engineer either.
@@neelsahay5227 I think you'll be fine with Yoeleo, big company, good quality control, UCI approved.........I've Been Racing crits and road running wheels from lightcarbon.com for 2 years now, still good to go. I'm very mechanically inclined but definitely no engineer but they seem built very well in comparison to other name brands and i've ridden them hard. I also just recently purchased a set of gravel wheels from Winspace and I'm extremely happy with them. I think its only a roll of the dice if your purchasing on amazon/ebay/aliexpress etc. I'll continue to purchase economically. Neither set was over $800. If people wanna spend 2-3k+ on wheelsets then hey, cool!
@@sureshot1109 I agree with this statement wholeheartedly. Jeff touches on this in the vid as well.
Imo the only unfortunate part of the story is the quality control on the high end, although miles better than unbranded Chinese products, is still often pretty shoddy.
I think the best rule of thumb regarding carbon is to stick with companies that have complete control over their manufacturing process (Giant, Time, Look, Yoeleo).
Over 3,500 miles on my Yoeleo wheels 60/60. Love em. One key thing was to get the aluminum brake track instead of the carbon to avoid delamination problems. Less sexy, more weight but no worries!
Got a pair of Farsports Federer DT 240 exp ratchet. Work flawlessly over last 1-2k miles and mounted tubeless GP5K with a track pump. Shipped to SF in 3 weeks. Highly recommend the wheels. They were $1k so not “cheap” but at 1200 grams with the 240 ratchet the equivalent name brand would be in the $2-3k range. You can save money on the exp ratchet (DT 350’s are just fine) but I wanted to try out. For reference I weigh 68kg with 320ish FTP, 1.3k max power and ride 150-200 miles a week in the Bay Area (which they perform well on hills and negligible crosswind issues for 35mm deep). Outside of them collapsing mid ride I’ve always just considered the build being basically free at these prices so you can always take the hubs and DT spokes to an ENVE rim if all else fails. BTW Jeff sign me up for the next couch to crit. I’m a clean slate with no race experience, ready to do some Cat5 salutes!
Bike dork in the house 🙋🏻♂️ I did too started on a 2017 TCR, then got Aeoulus Pro 5 and a power meter. Now I upgraded to a 2021 Cervelo S3 killer machine. Interesting to see similar bike paths !!!
I have that same Fuji Roubaix bike. Never thought I'd see it on here haha. It is a fantastic bike!
Just won my first crit race with the Fuji last weekend. I couldn't have imagined that my first race would result in a win!
after 4 years on a used 400€ alloy bike, last fall I bought the new canyon aeroad (kind of regret it now with the seattube troubles, even though mine seems fine)
ruclips.net/video/Hp8IBAQYggE/видео.html make sure you do youre warranty claim dude
You regret buying a bike because of a problem you don’t have?
@@thodarktimes1814 because due to the wether I only road it once. But hey it felt super awesome. And I hope that the rubber cap that they will send you in march will fix the problems
@@mincehogan9508 already did as I live in Germany it was super easy to contact support
I got an FR sometime after seeing the video. I love it.
Just ordered a set of Chinese carbon directly from China using taobao.com(it's like Amazon/eBay in China) where you can actually message the guy at the factory to customize any option you want for the wheel(rim depth, finishing, spoke, and hub brand). The wheelset costs me 1500CNY(250ish USD). 45mm 25c, power way hub. The seller also offers DT 350 hub for another 2000CNY. Can't wait to try them out. I might do an unboxing video about it.
There are Chinese carbon wheels and Chinese carbon wheels, these days there are Chinese Brands starting to break through, brands like farsports and lightbicycle. These brands have built a good reputation and are respected by a lot of the big forums.
The other Chinese carbon wheels are the no name nock of ebay AliExpress wheels these are made to simply make money with very cheap carbon and hubs
And Winspace, :)
I'd love to see smaller/cheaper brands take down the big boys. But eventually they also grow and just replace the big boys 🤣.
Got a pair of carbon LB wheels for my road and gravel bike. Have no complaints so far (only owned for 6 months).
Awesome journey!
Love the history!
Wish more cycling channels would do something like this.
Winspace makes some decent Chinese wheels, worth looking at. Personally, I buy Campagnolo rim brake wheels. Campy wheels are Significantly less expensive than Zipps, but same high quality standards.
Jeff, did Logan upgrade his groupset from claris to ultegra, or did he simply put the ultegra crankset with power meter on the bike with the rest drivetrain being claris?
Just the crank
Love seeing the difference in cassette size and tire size over the past 10 yrs.
Hey norcal Thank you for this. I just realized that cycling is just always there and I am gonna focus on my career to become an engineer to buy stuffs. I am currentyl using a 1979 trek road bike and heavy aluminum wheels. At 30 we can perform like that or closer. Thank you
Fond memories of sharing 2 of your bikes.
I rode the same BH Ultralight from ~2014 to 2016, then the felt f1 from 2016 to a month ago.
That felt especially is a great frame, provided you ride in aggressive position due to the crazily short (pro) headtube.
talk about your recent experience on disc brakes, too? (noticed you had rim brakes on most of those)...
Jeff, are you going to address Dylan Johnson's critique of TR or stay away from that uncomfortable topic? 😉
Why would he need to?
What is tr?
@@craigg9742 I didn’t say he needed to, it was a simple question that apparently at least 23 people support. 🤫
@@anjaymitalskiff4938 TrainerRoad
@@jonmeals The question itself implies that he should. Who cares what one coach thinks of TR plans? You're up to 27 likes now.
Yoeleo, Winspace, LightCarbon, FarSports...
Winspace 💯🤟🏽
For sure. Winspace make a great carbon wheel set and support the product post sales
Light Bicycle buys their carbon hoops overseas but assembles them in the US/Canada. You can get DT Swiss and other name brand hubs with good quality spokes and nipples... My carbon set with DT350s was $800.
Lightcarbon was good enough to handle phil gaimon's watts..
Funny that nearly al brand name carbon wheels are made in China by carbon contractors...
The problem here is local races are very less. Its all big races like the states and nationals and everyone is one super stoked equipment😢. But I did make the decision of power meter over bike/wheels last year and I do not regret
Logan is such a chill dude, love the series
as a mountain biker, I can say, light bicycle brand china carbon wheels are quality. rode the hell out of a pair for years...
Awesome video. Thanks for sharing. I'm closing tabs about new wheels and back to TrainerRoad LOL.....
Chinese carbon - I have disc break lightbicycle rims on DT Swiss hubs! hopefully they work long term. Fortunately I shouldn't have the same issues you did for both of your wheels :)
Yes you are correct the high $$ wheel companies such as Zipp, Enve, etc.. have marketing dollars due to the success by the attested product that proves itself.The majority of money has gone into Research, development and production
From a SRAM person I was told wheels are a 4 year stage develop to production.
Budget wheels from Scott/ Trek/ Specialized are good but the are budget for a reason.
Im on 3 years with no wheel trues or retape on my SES 5.6 wheels, running GP5000TL, Corsa Speeds 2.0 & 700x25 66-90PSL
And now SES tires. Tubeless set up
They carrying speeds on high-end wheels is night and day compared to the budget wheels
Hey, don't be too mean to alu bikes! I got a CAAD13 last year and have racked up a load of 6hr+ big days on it. If you can't afford a full carbon bike, a carbon seat post alone can do wonders for your butt! Loving this series btw.
I love new gear!! great motivation
YES!!! Love Couch to Crit
Curious to know what you think about Dylan Johnson's video critic of TR plans?
32:07
Measure your heart rate instead of your power output. Train according to your heart rate. For beginners this is most important.
Learn to keep up sprinting speeds regardless of heart rate fluctuations for race-drafting purposes later when you have spent a couple years building up a proper aerobic base.
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@@NorCalCycling as a 45 yr old beginner , why no? I'm trying to decide what to buy next- heart rate watch/strap or power meter/bike computer- or do you have other advice? I have Strava, and my phone right now. Cheers! Love the vids!
@@charlesjungclaus HR is subject to change (fatigue, sleep, stress, etc..), power is not. Power is unquestionably the better (the best?) training tool.
@@NorCalCycling thanks! So power meter before heart rate. Power meter or smart indoor trainer first? I only have (maybe) enough money for one or the other as I want wheel off trainer.
Although this is an older question, of course buy a power meter over an indoor trainer. Indoor training sucks. But if you need to train indoor you can still use your power meter on your bike with a cheap indoor trainer.
Hi Jeff - What do you do for full time career?
I would guess something in tech
@@adaml5473 Hes a geologist.
@@geraldtone5914 when did he say that?
He crashed his bike this year. I think it was in the first video he did about it.
damn no mention of the chain tramp stamp on your ankle socks 🤣
loving the series
Not just marketing but R&D the research and development that goes into the development of the product by the name brand people is generally much higher than the no-name carbon.
Or the R&D that goes into building the wheels. They're designing and developing them from close to scratch where Chinese/third party stuff is often just copied from what exists so they're not having to put $$ into R&D. That's also part of the reason they're cheap you don't need to recoup the R&D cost.
More please! Feed me!
I love these. Thanks!
The first Fuji you had is the one I'm currently riding lol
I went from cat6 to cat0 on a bmx bike.
Not one photo of you riding no hands, but we did see haynes ankle socks. lol
So, a powermeter makes a big difference in training. Does it become more useful with powermeter & bike computer combined?
Yes of course. You need to be able to see your power when riding...
you basically have to have some form of bike computer with a power meter so you can read the wattage in real time.
Do you think more people are now riding more expensive bikes in the lower cats than back then?
Personal experience: I've seen a lot of USED high end bikes in lower cats (I've asked other racers) because of eBay and craigslist (my 2014 Venge included). The money I saved in purchase I put into better parts, etc. and I'm just as light and fast (against my peers, not upper cats) as some of the more expensive new stuff. In my area (the east coast), if you are starting triathlons, you'll get a crazy deal on the number of TT bikes available, most only raced once or twice. A lot of disposable 'new hobby, quickly lost interest' income in my area. lol
Yeah TT bikes are insanely available in as new condition for some reason?? Maybe they borrow them out and then sell them on as factory outlet bikes?.
A third thing you can do with the FTP is to type in a higher FTP. Just adjust up and then test at the regular time.
Love that the saved legs or lack there of for quite a few years, aligns with the minute changes needed later in your progress!
Question is will "young Jeff" shave his legs day 1??? lol
Anyone else pick up the new ‘22 Allez Sprint?… it’s a phenomenal bike. Just took mine out for its maiden 20 miler… wheels suck… but the rest of the build is just great.
Started last year with giant contend 1 2018 and now cube agree c62 arrive thomorrow
Looked happiest in first picture
Dang cat 2 in a year. You basically started in cat 2 based on fitness. What was your background?
A bad cross country runner. I also did group riding, skills clinics and practice races before getting into any sanctioned races.
@@NorCalCycling I think this would be an interesting topic to explore in a future video. Based on my personal observations, good cyclists almost always start having results right away. It seems every pro tells a story of winning his/her first race, and every cat 1/2 seems to have jumped to at least a cat 3 within his/her first year of racing. Would be interesting to profile different riders progression, and I'd be interested if you could find any stories of riders winning p/1/2 races after multiple years of being a cat 3/4/5.
@@prototoast It’s not strange that the most gifted riders in the world were good starting out. If you have no talent and have to spend years of training to advance from cat 5 to 4, you’ll never be good. Research shows that after 4 years of structured training, you’ve reached 99% of your endurance potential. Just look at Roglic.
I do XC racing and I watched whole video 😂
14:59 rocking the weed socks!
i got the same fuji for my brother. i might even use the same bike for mike tam im like right next to it
Generally the first stage that people go to is a several thousand dollar bike to go faster. Instead if you spend a few hundred dollars on top quality tyres you'll gain a few kmh. Changing from shallow aluminium training wheels to 50-80mm carbon rims will add more kmh than pretty near any frame will. The frame is the most expensive part to buy you some extra speed.
A few hundred dollars on tyres? Conti GP Attack tyres have some of the lowest rolling resistance and can be purchased for around £30 each.
The GP Force + Attack are $AUD126 and 10.0W and 11.6W for the pair.
The GP5000 TL at $80 each and 8.3W are also under $200 for the pair and a potentially greater saving than a couple of k on an "aero" frame.
@@Alan_Hans__ I strongly agree that tyres are an excellent and cost effective place to start.
Shout out mikes bikes. Great service and accommodations. If ur in the Bay Area wassup who wants to ride MTB?
I have seen your video, it is very useful, there are lots of bikes. Roadbikes, of course, the prices are very expensive. You can only see in your video, I hope your video, your channel, remains successful, Amazing, very good
Hey Jeff,
what sort of training were you doing in 2018 where the power meter made a huge difference. Any outdoor training recommendations?
I have reached my final form, a Masters rider! #SL7nursinghomeedition
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fwiw i have zipp firecrests and yeoleo and they are both fantastic (both disc brake, the Yeoleos have DT swiss 350 hubs). i looked into the company a lot before buying them. i think i like the Ys more because i paid less.
Dude zipp 303s or enve foundation 45 best bang for your buck....unless you don't want TL...good luck to Logan
Knowing what you know now, after your first bike, what would you buy knowing you were going to full commit and had a 10k budget.
Chinese carbon wheels are great these days. They've really improved in the last 5 years. Just stay away from the unbraded cheapo stuff and get Farsports, Lun, Light Bicycle, Elite, Yeoleo etc wheels.
I've owned over 60 pairs of wheels. Most top end. Winspace Hyper 38 the best so far. Better than my Millies.
I just put some money down on a BMC ALR disc 2, $2300 msrp. They gave me 3 months to pay it off on lay-away plan. Do you think it’s worth the money to spend another 1000 to get into a carbon frame?
I am a beginner too. I will be looking into doing the program you mentioned here. I would like to get into some crits. Really enjoy your racing vids.
Back to bikes, i considered trek and specialized but deliveries in my size are march 2022 or later. Giant and BMC are the two brands that have a little better availability at my LBS’s. If i can get my hands on an entry level Giant TCR, i might go for that instead. It’s about $2700.
Haaaaa!!! What the fuck is that water bottle holder?! 23:01
I was going to try to race on a local track, then I went on a bike path and averaged 11 miles an hour and realized I didn't know how to turn.... 90 degree corners on the streets teach you nothing.
Can't go on track with other people and put them in danger. Straight line efforts are fine, I can sprint over 30 mph most of the time, turns, not possible, don't understand.
What kind of Chinese carbons? Quite a few Chinese brands are gaining great reputation (winspace, Yoeleo, farsports, etc)
Should have gone with favero assioma pedals
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Hey, what do you recommend for a guy who is in great shape who just turned 62 years old been riding all my life.
Thank you 🙏 Peace Out ✌️ my equipment is Trek emonda SL6 2018 with rim breaks chain ring just changed to a 52 teeth rear cassette is stock, 23mm wide wheels 110 psi
Thank you 🙏 Peace Out ✌️
I just became a bionic man over the summer after being run down on my bike! Titanium bros for life!! lol
I enjoy all your videos and this is one of my fav! How was it going from rim to disc brakes? I'm a frugal non competitive cyclist and always wondered if it's worth going disc for my next bike :)
If you have a choice get disc, rim is good too but I prefer disc for a number of reasons
I noticed you switched from Vittoria Rubino Pro to Continental GP 4000. I did the same and I'm wondering what was your reason, sponsorship or simply preference?
I still wear ankle socks (always) and probably always will.
lol, some foreshadowing maybe... 23:30 talks about teammates riding tubeless, and not adopting due to being used to tubes, then goes on to say he's a late adopter of a power meter.
Performance bike is still around??
"No fan no improvement". I doubt it. You can be doing a few watts but if your hr is high, it's because you are working hard, and then your body will adapt the same as when you are putting out high watts
Incorrect
@@NorCalCycling trainer road just put out a video on heat training 3 hours prior to you posting this video to you tube. I think what they do say there on that video that high end interval work should be done with the big fan. So, I think you are correct in saying that trying to get the high intensity work in, you need to be cool to hit the high intensity, high power output. However the statement you make on your video , I forget how you said it " if you don't have a fan you are not getting anything out of it" that, is quite an INCORRECT statement. Go watch trainer roads heat training video published today and you will see that doing sweetspot or zone 2 ( on a 5 zone system) will improve fitness performance in both hot and cold conditions. It's called heat training. Perhaps the scientist they interview is completely off base and his experiment flawed. However, I think it is more likely that the statement you make here in your video is not correct. Let me know what you think after viewing that tr video.
@@hebrews11vs5 if you're adapting to heat, then sure take the fans away and do a low intensity low duration ride, just don't expect any performance improvement. You made no mention of heat adaption in your original post and said "..your body will adapt the same as when you are putting out high watts" which is incorrect. Just want to make sure you're not making the same mistake I once did and equating high heart rate with performance improvements, so you can optimize your training.
@@NorCalCycling a few time stamps like 16 minutes, 30 to 33 and somewhere in the 1:12:00to 1:13 :00 range are interesting. " for some athletes heat training yields performance benefit " made on trainer road heat training video from today,at 32:38 by the guy they interviewed. Regarding your concern, people with only hr and no pwr meter, they will struggle to train effectively. Perhaps you were training on hr only back in the day? And yeah, these days, it's a bit of a mistake not to be training with a power meter. Thanks for this series here, I am enjoying watching these episodes.
hell ye
that was quick
hey jeff i don't know if you still read comments but i see you also have screws in your collarbone, i crashed last week and had a similar surgery and i wanna know if i can keep the screws and the plate in my body or if they will take it off? my doctor refuses to answer this question. TIA.
21:40 you look like kitboga in this picture
no its someone else I cant place it its that commanding nose(no hate I have one too)
So what you're telling me is I CAN race with my fuji team rc from like 2013? Are you offering any other trainings like this one? I'd love any info if you are.