I met a student of Sum Nung (Sifu Cheng) in Gwangzhou back in 2010 (a friend was studying with him at the time), that told me basically the same thing about Yuen Kay San and Yip Man.
Thank for your dedication to the art. I've watched your history of Wing Chun from many lineages and many practicioner within one lineage. I think the main problem of Wing Chun history is lack of written documentarion, especially prior to Ip Man generation. We can trace Ip Man and co more easily especially since the westener start to learn wing chun after Bruce Lee's success. I suggest we shall start a new journey e.g. as Wong Sheun Leung was said actively fight in beimo, we shall more active in mma, kick boxing and/or sanda therefore the technique can be actively explored and updated like Muay Thai or BJJ. We can't change the past but we can always make the future.
@@mikael1680 That all changed with the release of the secret note as documented by Law Tiu Wen in the 1800s now we have all the documentation we need and it’s accepted approved and recognised by the intangible cultural heritage department of the Foshan museum
@@SifuSergioChannel Thank for the effort Shifu, may you can provide an in-depth analysis both it in your book and future video therefore we can know for sure where's the source of the water we are drinking.
Thanks for this video, I can tell you that my Chi Sao changed for the better after learning the Sum Nung version so much so that I can actually fight people in Chi Sao so it's not just a drill.
Isn't the thuth that during 50 60 and 70's the communication and interactions between Hong Kong and mainland China were strictly restricted? So how Sung Num can send letter or even go to hk?
got much sense, I believe and spread this truth to my students, this also show us that Yip Man don't got easy for spreading and making his own way, but a fact is that Yip Man students close some kung fu schools by beimo , some of the stories is that Yip Man never lose hard to believe but I don't think he seek fights but dont decline challenges at all if the letter was send it would be on hands of Yip Man Clans . cheers from Mexico Sifu Sergio
Your videos is a master class your knowledge is priceless to wing chun as well as history of kung fu I apologise to Sifu Sergio for the incorrect fact ofWSL And DP comment
If the letter was sent to IpMan. Shouldnt IpMan got it? why they make a copy? Either it was never sent or they wrote it after. Please answer. Thanks 🙏🏼
He Can't because it is False. He can not read cantonese nor does he know Sum Nungs hand writing! Why would Ip Man have given the letters to a Grandstudent (Cheng) or even entertain a threat from a student of a friend (Yuen Kay San) who was 30 years younger than himself? He would have destroyed them.
@@gwohsau6571 Cheng Kwong got the letter probably from his Sifu Lok Yiu, or Cheng Kwong got the letter from somewhere else and it never got send? I have no idea, as now in Foshan some are saying that Sun Nung went to HK personally to talk to Ip Man warn him or challenge him, anyway regarding the letter my wife chinese was present and I always had translators anyway by my side when taking lessons from certain Sifu’s because of the language problem. But again no worries my wife speaks and writes perfect Chinese and speak Cantonese, Manderin and Fujian dialect. That these letters existed is now confirmed from various sources you can believe it or not it’s not my issue
@@DAOVETV I have no idea I just know my Sifu Cheng Kwong showed me a copy of that letter nothing more nothing less, it got translated for me and that was it. Now in Foshan years later I heard that it was true and Sum Nung did write a letter maybe Ip man Never recieved it maybe it did not get send? I have no idea as some said that Sum Nung went to HK personally in the end to talk with Ip Man so why send the letter? Maybe my Sifu got the letter somewhere in Foshan I really don’t know and cant ask him anymore.
@sifusergio I understand thanks for answering. I think it is easy to make up a story 60 years later when no one can really tell the truth because everybody involved has passed away. But what we do know is that Leung Ting had modified a picture with Ipman (that is true). LT really made that up and there is still people alive who can confirm it. You also know this, right Sifu Sergio? I dont mean to disrespect you but fakeness is usually used in WC or VT to gain popularity or attention. Regards 😊
@sifusergiochannel I understand, thanks for answering. I think it is easy to make up a story 60 years later when no one can really tell the truth because everybody involved has passed away. But what we do know is that Leung Ting had modified a picture with Ipman (that is true). LT really made that up and there is still people alive who can confirm it. You also know this, right Sifu Sergio? I dont mean to disrespect you but as you know usually people make things up in WC or VT just to gain popularity or attention. Regards 😊
Very interesting information. I think we all have had lessons made from words and motttos, which did not mature until years or decades later when we finally have a chi sau partner able to get there with us. It is in the very nature of the three form system of Leung Ting that the verbal story taught with a form to a beginner will mature with them, and the form will continue to teach them. So it is hard to place "who taught who" on a timeline in a rigid fashion. For example: Leung Bik lived with Yip Man while he was attending High School. He was old and died, and in this interview it is suggested it is impossible that Yip Man learned "anything." Well he surely was given advice, and could have been told what to try and do when he returned home. He found it too! Later, after teaching so many people in his life, whatever Yip Man was teaching as his own craft in the 1960's, his "mix of styles," it became something new.
With all due respect to Leung Sifu, this is nothing more than a case of confirmation bias and can hardly be considered "The Truth". A grand student putting for regurgitated lineage favoring stories is hardly something new and stories from people WHO PERSONALLY KNEW the men in question (such as Kwok fu and Fok Chiu) to name just a couple demonstrate the opposite.
@@gwohsau6571 Kwok Fu system nowedays although very effective turned into a hybrid of several systems. The letters and the rest said here is a fact and I saw those letters myself. This is the truth, of course you are entitled to your own biased opinion as I know very well who you are 😉. Fok Chiu is indeed a prime example of a lineage based on San SIk that proves many of my previous videos. A video on that will be made also in the future. Ps you should ask Sim Sifu just how much Gwok Whai Zhaam altered his Wing Chun in the last decades and let him proof it to you.
@@SifuSergioChannel I'm sorry but nothing you just mentioned is relevant to the claims stated in the video. You completely avoid the fact of the "Three Hero's" training at the place of Ng Cheung so and the effect of his instruction on the individuals in question, Hence the initial similarities prior to the development of personal expression. Sorry, but Kwok wai jaam altering what his father taught , as many sifu do, does not change the fact that he (Kwok fu) knew and trained under Ip man in the presence of Yuen Kay san and did Chi sau with him!!! The information provided by Kwok fu in regards to their relations is just as credible and Leung Sifu, more so if you consider he actually KNEW the people involved personally! In addition, Fok Chiu personally KNEW those involved and has stated verbally and in writing who learned from who, and this contradicts Leung Sifu's comments. Offering the information you are offering in the video in nice, but it is nothing more than another Lineage story you chose to believe due to your own confirmation bias and not a "Fact" or something that one could consider True. Naturally you are entitled to believe who you wish as well, BUT if your going to trumpet to the public certain tales as "Fact" don't be surprised by contrary opinions.😉
@@gwohsau6571 Dear …. there is so much you don’t know and I don’t mind it’s your karma, Kwok Fu was a rude man and not an honest one as some of the interviews conducted with him can show you 😉 Ng Chung So is a separate story and I will make videos about him in the future. You are missing a very important part of the whole story, something you can’t see as you are ignorant of some important Facts and looking often at the wrong family tree. Anyways keep believing in what you believe I could not care less. Ps I am well aware of Fok Chiu and what he says I was there when the photo shoot for roots of Wing Chun was held in Leung Tings kwoon with him on the Nathan Road more then 23 years ago. If only you where a bit more open minded and not stuck in your own business venture and would have met up a few years ago things would have been much more clear to you. Maybe you should start comparing the complete Yuen Kay San Kuen Kuit with the secret note (make sure you have the complete version) and then maybe just maybe you would start to slowly realise something. Fact is the Chan Wha Sun lineage did not have Siu Nim Tau, Chum Kiu and Biu Tze and we have collected enough proof for that over the last decades. Ironically I believed the same as you in the past and even argued with my Sifu Cheng Kwong about it around 2004 as I did not want to believe it. But he was right when he told me that when he was there they absolutely did not have Siu Nim Tau, Chum Kiu and Biu Tze. And now we have several other sources who confirmed the same and who where there in the 1980’s Etc. Btw this was my last answer to you as I blocked you for a reason on every other social media platform.
@@alanorr9898 After all that this guy did over the years to me and Yuri and other friends no, much worse then what we went through way way beyond that. Otherwise I do agree with you
Yuen Chai WAN’s knowledge of Wing Chun Kuen is indeed more complete then Ip Man’s but we need to look at the right teachings for example Sifu Chan Hing Kwan and not many of the Vietnamese lineages which are already mixed with other Systems
@@SifuSergioChannel u are absolutely right. I was teaching in school of Tran Van Phung students. And it's amazing system, the core, without mixes I believe.
you should have a documentary film made about the history, everyone in the wing chun world would be delighted and happy, there must be some sponsors who would help you. a greeting from Denmark which also originates from the old days in EWTO at the beginning of the 90s🙏👌😊
@@nicovinther2003 It’s an idea and maybe something I will pursue in the future, thanks for the feedback. Ps Read the Third edition of my book if you are interested in Wing Chun’s history
Thank you, i waiting for final edition of your book. I'm have hate and love thing for Wing Chun.(Mostly hate). But now i can restart my wing chun journey again. I gave up that style almost decade ago.
Sifu Sergio, can you make a video on the differences between the Yuen Kay San system taught in Foshan and the Yuen Chai Wan system taught in Vietnam? They both look very different to me, but are supposed to have come from the same source.
@@graham1958 Yuen Chai wan in Vietnam taught only Siu Nim Tau and some animal systems. Maybe he just did not know the chum kiu and Biu Tze as the Yuen Chai Wan lineage now teaching in China under Chan Hing kwan has their Chum Kiu and Biu Tze from Yuen Kay San and only the Siu Nim Tau from Yuen Chai Wan at least that’s the info I have
There is a video on U tube the different lineages doing Biu Tze there all different same techniques applied differently . I'm learning from a different lineage after 30 year break the Houn Sao is technically the same but applied differently they have a different approach to attack. There was a block Yip Man knew didn't use so didn't teach until it cost a fight he then taught and it's important block for people like me because I'm tall
I am writing to you to express my sincere gratitude for your courageous and scholarly contribution to the history of Wing Chun. Your research and dedication to uncovering the truth, beyond the official Chinese government narrative, are truly admirable. Your work reminds us that the pursuit of truth and historical accuracy are fundamental to understanding our past and present. Your commitment to integrity and objectivity is an example to us all. Thank you for: - Challenging the official narrative with evidence and rigor. - Revealing new perspectives and unknown sources. - Enriching our understanding of Wing Chun and its history. Your research is a tribute to the masters and practitioners who have preserved this martial art throughout the centuries. Your legacy will inspire future generations. I appreciate your courage and determination.
Where in the timeline does Moy Yat fit in with Leung Ting. Had he left to NYC while LT was still an indoor student? Why do the forms look somewhat different between Moy Yat and Leung Ting? I know LT was YM's last indoor student. Had he made revisions?
@@Daniel-z5k6e Leung Ting was said to be Yip Man's "last "indoor student. What does that mean? Also if Moy Yat left after YM's death why does his WC look quite different (forms and all) to Leung Ting's?
@@SifuSergioChannel I’m sure when Sifu Sergio interviewed Dave Pettersen he made the comment if I miss heard I appreciate the gravity of the mistake and will retract it I my self followed Ip man lineage styles move on so do techniques otherwise we become stagnant Ip Man what was right wing chun is a technical art form especially later on the system
@@SifuSergioChannel also my lineage is Ip Man and proud 40 years ago my teacher said wing chun had to families one from Single Broad Sword and the other Butterfly Swords I just carried on training ???
I saw one of the letters around 2004 in the medical practice of my Sifu Cheng Kwong who unfortunately passed away and many of his belongings just thrown away by his daughter unfortunately
Yip Man needed money so taught kung fu he altered for his needs ,he told he couldn’t teach from a linage that he wasn’t taught (kung fu marketing )this is why iPhone man linage is missing he probably didn’t want to upset Yeuk San who was his teacher and friend
Some guy challenging yipman, Hey isnt this the plot of IPman 3?!? You gotta be kidding me! Didnt know that it had a precedent.... Yuen Kay Shan group really have this in their history?
The practioner is always more important then the system itself, there has been a fight of a famous Ip Man student with A Chow Gar representative in Hong Kong, insiders in Hong Kong know the truth about that encounter but it’s not for me to go into that as will create again unnecessary politics
Let put the records straight. Different lineage of Wing Chun do have different versions of Sil Nim Tao, Chum Kil and Bil Jee. They also have different Chi Sao platforms. If we all care to spend some time to look at Sil Nim Tao, Chum Kil and Bil Jee forms practiced by Chan Wah Soon's clan - we'd also see different versions of the three forms. I do believe that both GM Ip Man and GM YKS were closed friends and they exchanged what they had learned and made Wing Chun better. Why do we all believe records by one clan, talks or stories of Sifu's from later generations about those grand masters who already passed, and couldn't tell the true stories. I do believe that both GM Ip Man and GM Yuen Kay San were good friends, exchanged their versions of Wing Chun, and made the arts better. My honor go to both great Sifus, and never believe their later generations' stories.
@@thaiwingchun nowedays with the Acceptance of the Secret note as recorded by Law Tiu Wen in 1890’s accepted by the Intangible cultural heritage department of the Foshan Museum 4 years after being submitted there is no question anymore to which version of the Siu Nim Tau, Chum Kiu and Biu Tze is the first and original one. People can jump High and low but the facts are clear. Please see the other videos on Snake Crane Wing Chun on this channel and then things will be more clear to you. For even more details read the 3th edition of my book “The history of Wing Chun&The six core elements”
My sifu Felix Leong told me Yuen Kay Shan was Ip Man’s blood uncle and Ip Man did something really bad that is not said, that’s why he was cast out of the family and got no money from Yuen Kay Shan when he went to Hong Kong.
I don't understand this claim. Not looking to argue; I'm looking to discuss. Two points. 1) The claim that Ip Man looked to Yuen Kay Shan for money when going to HK. 2) The claim YKS is Ip Man's blood uncle (biological uncle). On 1: Ip Man was the 3rd child of 4, born into a wealthy family. Ip Man's own father was a wealthy merchant. Why would Ip Man need to look to uncle Yuen Kay Shan for money? I'm talking about Ip Man's younger years. At age 16, he moved to HK & attended St Stephen's College (secondary school). Financially Ip Man's own father would have paid Ip Man's living expenses in HK. No need to rely on some uncle. Ip Man eventually returned to Foshan at age 24, and worked as local police officer for the KMT government. What Ip Man did during WW2 (China-Japan war) is not very clear. After that war ended, Ip Man worked as captain of a local police squad. Fast forward to 1949. CCP took over Mainland China. KMT retreated to Taiwan. Ip Man, his wife, and their elder daughter left Foshan and went to HK. (Why didn't they bring the 3 younger children, I have no idea. Ip Chun was age 25 at that time, and attending university in Foshan.) When Ip Man's wife and the daughter returned to Foshan to retrieve their ID cards in 1951 (why would they forget to bring such important documents on the first trip, beats me), is when the China/HK border shut down. So the mother and daughter were now stuck in Foshan. My point is: Whether you're talking about the first visit to HK as teenager, or the 2nd (permanent) visit in his adulthood, why would Ip Man be reaching out to some uncle for money? On 2: Ip Man's father is Ip Oi-dor. (Family name "Ip") Ip Man's mother is Ng Shui (Ng, or in Mandarin "Wu", is the family name) Blood uncle with a "YUEN" Kay Shan?? How? Uncle on the father side (Ip) or mother side (Ng)? Makes no sense. Again, simply looking to discuss. The facts & timelines don't match up.
@@Wing.Chun.Melbourne Yes and no on the jail claim. Not so much “he would be put into jail”. But for sure any sense of a “career” would be at an end, had he stayed in Foshan. Reason: he worked for the KMT as local policeman. For those who are familiar with Chinese history in the 1940’s period, me saying he “worked for KMT” and “KMT retreated to Taiwan”, should be enough info on what that means. Lots of KMT-related folks that didn’t manage to retreat. Neither to Taiwan, nor to HK. They weren’t put into jail by CCP. There wouldn’t be enough jail space. And this anyway isn’t the point. Goes back to my question: What you mean by “he did something bad and got thrown out by the family” / “got no money from blood uncle”. Both claims are still unsubstantiated. Let’s not change the topic on how CCP would have treated him had he stayed in Foshan. There was no criminal law that would land him into jail/prison. And he wasn’t really a KMT political cadre either, so no political persecution by CCP either (had he stayed in Foshan).
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I met a student of Sum Nung (Sifu Cheng) in Gwangzhou back in 2010 (a friend was studying with him at the time), that told me basically the same thing about Yuen Kay San and Yip Man.
@@DFWHomeMovieMatinee-de4ev Yep as its the truth
Gracias por compartir esto. Es un gran trabajo. Saludos Sifu Sergio Iadarola.
@@wailofoshan You are welcome
thank you for all that you do!
You are very welcome
The truth shall set us powerful and free !
@@nerolowell2320 Yes and even in a minority of one the truth is still the truth
Thank for your dedication to the art. I've watched your history of Wing Chun from many lineages and many practicioner within one lineage. I think the main problem of Wing Chun history is lack of written documentarion, especially prior to Ip Man generation. We can trace Ip Man and co more easily especially since the westener start to learn wing chun after Bruce Lee's success. I suggest we shall start a new journey e.g. as Wong Sheun Leung was said actively fight in beimo, we shall more active in mma, kick boxing and/or sanda therefore the technique can be actively explored and updated like Muay Thai or BJJ. We can't change the past but we can always make the future.
@@mikael1680 That all changed with the release of the secret note as documented by Law Tiu Wen in the 1800s now we have all the documentation we need and it’s accepted approved and recognised by the intangible cultural heritage department of the Foshan museum
@@SifuSergioChannel Thank for the effort Shifu, may you can provide an in-depth analysis both it in your book and future video therefore we can know for sure where's the source of the water we are drinking.
I applaud Sifu Sergio for his dedication to Wing Chun.
Thank you appreciate it
Thanks for this video, I can tell you that my Chi Sao changed for the better after learning the Sum Nung version so much so that I can actually fight people in Chi Sao so it's not just a drill.
Isn't the thuth that during 50 60 and 70's the communication and interactions between Hong Kong and mainland China were strictly restricted? So how Sung Num can send letter or even go to hk?
Good point
IF it were that restricted, then how com Ip Chun was able to move to Hong Kong then?
got much sense, I believe and spread this truth to my students, this also show us that Yip Man don't got easy for spreading and making his own way, but a fact is that Yip Man students close some kung fu schools by beimo , some of the stories is that Yip Man never lose hard to believe but I don't think he seek fights but dont decline challenges at all if the letter was send it would be on hands of Yip Man Clans .
cheers from Mexico Sifu Sergio
Your videos is a master class your knowledge is priceless to wing chun as well as history of kung fu I apologise to Sifu Sergio for the incorrect fact ofWSL And DP comment
If the letter was sent to IpMan. Shouldnt IpMan got it? why they make a copy? Either it was never sent or they wrote it after. Please answer. Thanks 🙏🏼
He Can't because it is False. He can not read cantonese nor does he know Sum Nungs hand writing! Why would Ip Man have given the letters to a Grandstudent (Cheng) or even entertain a threat from a student of a friend (Yuen Kay San) who was 30 years younger than himself? He would have destroyed them.
@@gwohsau6571 Cheng Kwong got the letter probably from his Sifu Lok Yiu, or Cheng Kwong got the letter from somewhere else and it never got send? I have no idea, as now in Foshan some are saying that Sun Nung went to HK personally to talk to Ip Man warn him or challenge him, anyway regarding the letter my wife chinese was present and I always had translators anyway by my side when taking lessons from certain Sifu’s because of the language problem. But again no worries my wife speaks and writes perfect Chinese and speak Cantonese, Manderin and Fujian dialect. That these letters existed is now confirmed from various sources you can believe it or not it’s not my issue
@@DAOVETV I have no idea I just know my Sifu Cheng Kwong showed me a copy of that letter nothing more nothing less, it got translated for me and that was it. Now in Foshan years later I heard that it was true and Sum Nung did write a letter maybe Ip man Never recieved it maybe it did not get send? I have no idea as some said that Sum Nung went to HK personally in the end to talk with Ip Man so why send the letter? Maybe my Sifu got the letter somewhere in Foshan I really don’t know and cant ask him anymore.
@sifusergio I understand thanks for answering. I think it is easy to make up a story 60 years later when no one can really tell the truth because everybody involved has passed away. But what we do know is that Leung Ting had modified a picture with Ipman (that is true). LT really made that up and there is still people alive who can confirm it. You also know this, right Sifu Sergio? I dont mean to disrespect you but fakeness is usually used in WC or VT to gain popularity or attention. Regards 😊
@sifusergiochannel I understand, thanks for answering. I think it is easy to make up a story 60 years later when no one can really tell the truth because everybody involved has passed away. But what we do know is that Leung Ting had modified a picture with Ipman (that is true). LT really made that up and there is still people alive who can confirm it. You also know this, right Sifu Sergio? I dont mean to disrespect you but as you know usually people make things up in WC or VT just to gain popularity or attention. Regards 😊
Very interesting information. I think we all have had lessons made from words and motttos, which did not mature until years or decades later when we finally have a chi sau partner able to get there with us. It is in the very nature of the three form system of Leung Ting that the verbal story taught with a form to a beginner will mature with them, and the form will continue to teach them. So it is hard to place "who taught who" on a timeline in a rigid fashion. For example: Leung Bik lived with Yip Man while he was attending High School. He was old and died, and in this interview it is suggested it is impossible that Yip Man learned "anything." Well he surely was given advice, and could have been told what to try and do when he returned home. He found it too! Later, after teaching so many people in his life, whatever Yip Man was teaching as his own craft in the 1960's, his "mix of styles," it became something new.
@@DrTzeus Trust me Ip Man never ever studied under Leung Bik, see my video on Leung Bik on this channel
"Politics"! Things that can turn Martial arts into quasi religions! I respect you work and I believe what you say is true.
@@OldJong Thank you
@@SifuSergioChannel You are welcome! 🙂
With all due respect to Leung Sifu, this is nothing more than a case of confirmation bias and can hardly be considered "The Truth". A grand student putting for regurgitated lineage favoring stories is hardly something new and stories from people WHO PERSONALLY KNEW the men in question (such as Kwok fu and Fok Chiu) to name just a couple demonstrate the opposite.
@@gwohsau6571 Kwok Fu system nowedays although very effective turned into a hybrid of several systems. The letters and the rest said here is a fact and I saw those letters myself. This is the truth, of course you are entitled to your own biased opinion as I know very well who you are 😉. Fok Chiu is indeed a prime example of a lineage based on San SIk that proves many of my previous videos. A video on that will be made also in the future. Ps you should ask Sim Sifu just how much Gwok Whai Zhaam altered his Wing Chun in the last decades and let him proof it to you.
@@SifuSergioChannel I'm sorry but nothing you just mentioned is relevant to the claims stated in the video. You completely avoid the fact of the "Three Hero's" training at the place of Ng Cheung so and the effect of his instruction on the individuals in question, Hence the initial similarities prior to the development of personal expression. Sorry, but Kwok wai jaam altering what his father taught , as many sifu do, does not change the fact that he (Kwok fu) knew and trained under Ip man in the presence of Yuen Kay san and did Chi sau with him!!! The information provided by Kwok fu in regards to their relations is just as credible and Leung Sifu, more so if you consider he actually KNEW the people involved personally! In addition, Fok Chiu personally KNEW those involved and has stated verbally and in writing who learned from who, and this contradicts Leung Sifu's comments. Offering the information you are offering in the video in nice, but it is nothing more than another Lineage story you chose to believe due to your own confirmation bias and not a "Fact" or something that one could consider True. Naturally you are entitled to believe who you wish as well, BUT if your going to trumpet to the public certain tales as "Fact" don't be surprised by contrary opinions.😉
@@gwohsau6571 Dear …. there is so much you don’t know and I don’t mind it’s your karma, Kwok Fu was a rude man and not an honest one as some of the interviews conducted with him can show you 😉 Ng Chung So is a separate story and I will make videos about him in the future. You are missing a very important part of the whole story, something you can’t see as you are ignorant of some important Facts and looking often at the wrong family tree. Anyways keep believing in what you believe I could not care less. Ps I am well aware of Fok Chiu and what he says I was there when the photo shoot for roots of Wing Chun was held in Leung Tings kwoon with him on the Nathan Road more then 23 years ago. If only you where a bit more open minded and not stuck in your own business venture and would have met up a few years ago things would have been much more clear to you. Maybe you should start comparing the complete Yuen Kay San Kuen Kuit with the secret note (make sure you have the complete version) and then maybe just maybe you would start to slowly realise something. Fact is the Chan Wha Sun lineage did not have Siu Nim Tau, Chum Kiu and Biu Tze and we have collected enough proof for that over the last decades. Ironically I believed the same as you in the past and even argued with my Sifu Cheng Kwong about it around 2004 as I did not want to believe it. But he was right when he told me that when he was there they absolutely did not have Siu Nim Tau, Chum Kiu and Biu Tze. And now we have several other sources who confirmed the same and who where there in the 1980’s Etc. Btw this was my last answer to you as I blocked you for a reason on every other social media platform.
@@SifuSergioChannelshould we not have open debates rather than block people?
@@alanorr9898 After all that this guy did over the years to me and Yuri and other friends no, much worse then what we went through way way beyond that. Otherwise I do agree with you
That sounds reasonable. Thank you!
Very interesting! Is the book available in the USA?
The depth of knowledge we got after Yuen Chai Wan is not even comparable to what Ip Man wing Chun has.
Yuen Chai WAN’s knowledge of Wing Chun Kuen is indeed more complete then Ip Man’s but we need to look at the right teachings for example Sifu Chan Hing Kwan and not many of the Vietnamese lineages which are already mixed with other Systems
@@SifuSergioChannel u are absolutely right. I was teaching in school of Tran Van Phung students. And it's amazing system, the core, without mixes I believe.
you should have a documentary film made about the history, everyone in the wing chun world would be delighted and happy, there must be some sponsors who would help you. a greeting from Denmark which also originates from the old days in EWTO at the beginning of the 90s🙏👌😊
@@nicovinther2003 It’s an idea and maybe something I will pursue in the future, thanks for the feedback. Ps Read the Third edition of my book if you are interested in Wing Chun’s history
Thank you, i waiting for final edition of your book. I'm have hate and love thing for Wing Chun.(Mostly hate). But now i can restart my wing chun journey again. I gave up that style almost decade ago.
@@nelsonng7209 The Final edition is out you can order it, or you mean you already ordered it and waiting for it?
@@SifuSergioChannel is Third edition are Final edition?
@@nelsonng7209 Yeah I will not add any historical info anymore if I print the 4th edition
Sifu Sergio, can you make a video on the differences between the Yuen Kay San system taught in Foshan and the Yuen Chai Wan system taught in Vietnam?
They both look very different to me, but are supposed to have come from the same source.
@@graham1958 Yuen Chai wan in Vietnam taught only Siu Nim Tau and some animal systems. Maybe he just did not know the chum kiu and Biu Tze as the Yuen Chai Wan lineage now teaching in China under Chan Hing kwan has their Chum Kiu and Biu Tze from Yuen Kay San and only the Siu Nim Tau from Yuen Chai Wan at least that’s the info I have
@@SifuSergioChannel, thank you for the clarification.
There is a video on U tube the different lineages doing Biu Tze there all different same techniques applied differently . I'm learning from a different lineage after 30 year break the Houn Sao is technically the same but applied differently they have a different approach to attack. There was a block Yip Man knew didn't use so didn't teach until it cost a fight he then taught and it's important block for people like me because I'm tall
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Your work reminds us that the pursuit of truth and historical accuracy are fundamental to understanding our past and present. Your commitment to integrity and objectivity is an example to us all.
Thank you for:
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Sifu Sergio come posso avere il tuo ultimo libro tradotto in italiano ?
@@Antonio-Lee It’s not yet out in Italian but will be in some months from now
@@SifuSergioChannel Thank you Sifu
So many thanks and respect to you Sifu Sergio
@@phathal2577 You are welcome thank you for the support
A good video!
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Where in the timeline does Moy Yat fit in with Leung Ting. Had he left to NYC while LT was still an indoor student? Why do the forms look somewhat different between Moy Yat and Leung Ting? I know LT was YM's last indoor student. Had he made revisions?
Moy Yat came to New York after Ip Man's passing
@@Daniel-z5k6e Leung Ting was said to be Yip Man's "last "indoor student. What does that mean? Also if Moy Yat left after YM's death why does his WC look quite different (forms and all) to Leung Ting's?
Respects.
Yeh for the dollar also Dave Pettersons Sifu questioned Ip man when he was performing Yueken San 1st form
@@surrinderkundola you mean WSL? From who did you hear that
@@SifuSergioChannel I’m sure when Sifu Sergio interviewed Dave Pettersen he made the comment if I miss heard I appreciate the gravity of the mistake and will retract it I my self followed Ip man lineage styles move on so do techniques otherwise we become stagnant Ip Man what was right wing chun is a technical art form especially later on the system
@@SifuSergioChannel also my lineage is Ip Man and proud 40 years ago my teacher said wing chun had to families one from Single Broad Sword and the other Butterfly Swords I just carried on training ???
Did wing chun have a long form in stead of 3 forms
@@surrinderkundola I think it was Sifu Cliff Au Yeung who mentioned that in his interview with Sifu Sergio
Where is this letter Sum Nung? It needs to be Authenticated or they will just remain stories. Please follow up!
I saw one of the letters around 2004 in the medical practice of my Sifu Cheng Kwong who unfortunately passed away and many of his belongings just thrown away by his daughter unfortunately
So what is taught in the Chan Wah Shun lineage?
@@Andy-ud1gd Nowadays a curriculum of forms from their own lineage plus the forms of Wing Chun Kuen Siu Nim Tau, Chum Kiu and Biu Tze etc
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I wonder how these forms look like. Did you ever do a video on them?
Yip Man needed money so taught kung fu he altered for his needs ,he told he couldn’t teach from a linage that he wasn’t taught (kung fu marketing )this is why iPhone man linage is missing he probably didn’t want to upset Yeuk San who was his teacher and friend
Some guy challenging yipman, Hey isnt this the plot of IPman 3?!? You gotta be kidding me! Didnt know that it had a precedent.... Yuen Kay Shan group really have this in their history?
Why did Ip Man change his style did he get into a dispute with Yuen Kay San
do you know of any stories of fights between Wing Chun and southern praying mantis?
The practioner is always more important then the system itself, there has been a fight of a famous Ip Man student with A Chow Gar representative in Hong Kong, insiders in Hong Kong know the truth about that encounter but it’s not for me to go into that as will create again unnecessary politics
@@SifuSergioChannel thanks Sergio
Ip Man didn’t learn wing chun from Leung Bik who did he learn it from
@@surrinderkundola Chan Wha Sun, Ng Chung So and Chan Yiu Min but lots from Yuen Kay San
Let put the records straight. Different lineage of Wing Chun do have different versions of Sil Nim Tao, Chum Kil and Bil Jee. They also have different Chi Sao platforms. If we all care to spend some time to look at Sil Nim Tao, Chum Kil and Bil Jee forms practiced by Chan Wah Soon's clan - we'd also see different versions of the three forms. I do believe that both GM Ip Man and GM YKS were closed friends and they exchanged what they had learned and made Wing Chun better. Why do we all believe records by one clan, talks or stories of Sifu's from later generations about those grand masters who already passed, and couldn't tell the true stories. I do believe that both GM Ip Man and GM Yuen Kay San were good friends, exchanged their versions of Wing Chun, and made the arts better. My honor go to both great Sifus, and never believe their later generations' stories.
@@thaiwingchun nowedays with the Acceptance of the Secret note as recorded by Law Tiu Wen in 1890’s accepted by the Intangible cultural heritage department of the Foshan Museum 4 years after being submitted there is no question anymore to which version of the Siu Nim Tau, Chum Kiu and Biu Tze is the first and original one. People can jump High and low but the facts are clear. Please see the other videos on Snake Crane Wing Chun on this channel and then things will be more clear to you. For even more details read the 3th edition of my book “The history of Wing Chun&The six core elements”
Who cares! Unless you want to be a historian 😂
In Chinese martial arts, lineage is everything. Otherwise, you are getting an imitation.
My sifu Felix Leong told me Yuen Kay Shan was Ip Man’s blood uncle and Ip Man did something really bad that is not said, that’s why he was cast out of the family and got no money from Yuen Kay Shan when he went to Hong Kong.
I don't understand this claim. Not looking to argue; I'm looking to discuss.
Two points.
1) The claim that Ip Man looked to Yuen Kay Shan for money when going to HK.
2) The claim YKS is Ip Man's blood uncle (biological uncle).
On 1:
Ip Man was the 3rd child of 4, born into a wealthy family. Ip Man's own father was a wealthy merchant. Why would Ip Man need to look to uncle Yuen Kay Shan for money? I'm talking about Ip Man's younger years. At age 16, he moved to HK & attended St Stephen's College (secondary school). Financially Ip Man's own father would have paid Ip Man's living expenses in HK. No need to rely on some uncle.
Ip Man eventually returned to Foshan at age 24, and worked as local police officer for the KMT government. What Ip Man did during WW2 (China-Japan war) is not very clear. After that war ended, Ip Man worked as captain of a local police squad.
Fast forward to 1949. CCP took over Mainland China. KMT retreated to Taiwan. Ip Man, his wife, and their elder daughter left Foshan and went to HK. (Why didn't they bring the 3 younger children, I have no idea. Ip Chun was age 25 at that time, and attending university in Foshan.) When Ip Man's wife and the daughter returned to Foshan to retrieve their ID cards in 1951 (why would they forget to bring such important documents on the first trip, beats me), is when the China/HK border shut down. So the mother and daughter were now stuck in Foshan.
My point is: Whether you're talking about the first visit to HK as teenager, or the 2nd (permanent) visit in his adulthood, why would Ip Man be reaching out to some uncle for money?
On 2:
Ip Man's father is Ip Oi-dor. (Family name "Ip")
Ip Man's mother is Ng Shui (Ng, or in Mandarin "Wu", is the family name)
Blood uncle with a "YUEN" Kay Shan?? How? Uncle on the father side (Ip) or mother side (Ng)? Makes no sense.
Again, simply looking to discuss. The facts & timelines don't match up.
@ I was told Ip Man was going to be put in jail if he didn’t flee mainland as for the blood uncle theory I will check back with Sifu Felix
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Yes and no on the jail claim.
Not so much “he would be put into jail”.
But for sure any sense of a “career” would be at an end, had he stayed in Foshan.
Reason: he worked for the KMT as local policeman.
For those who are familiar with Chinese history in the 1940’s period, me saying he “worked for KMT” and “KMT retreated to Taiwan”, should be enough info on what that means.
Lots of KMT-related folks that didn’t manage to retreat.
Neither to Taiwan, nor to HK.
They weren’t put into jail by CCP. There wouldn’t be enough jail space.
And this anyway isn’t the point.
Goes back to my question:
What you mean by “he did something bad and got thrown out by the family” / “got no money from blood uncle”.
Both claims are still unsubstantiated.
Let’s not change the topic on how CCP would have treated him had he stayed in Foshan.
There was no criminal law that would land him into jail/prison.
And he wasn’t really a KMT political cadre either, so no political persecution by CCP either (had he stayed in Foshan).
@@reallifeengineer7214 I will ask my Sifu about this thanks
Contrnt tevreden ik meld gewoon ok ga niet stoppen met chain puch en vecht allern met chainpunch dr bokser zegt dan aha nu weet ik hoe ik je ga aanpakken u mag piblikelijk bekend maken maar dat kost 1 miljoen immers ern vliegtich busnessclss naar madeire kost gewoon geld ben te oud voor toerstrn klasse ik heb ern buik ooeratie gehad dat bekent raskt irmand mijn buik aan dieect chain punch pak mee is wel andrrs echter wil ook uitschakelen
Ip Man was there for the dollar
Nope not really, Ip Man was a honourable man he just in his mind probably did not have a choice I will make a video about that at a later date