The Fall Of The Van Der Linde Gang - Micah & Dutch's Relationship
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- The fall of the infamous dutch van der linde gang thanks to the complicated and shifting allegiance between Dutch Van Der Linde and Micah Bell.
chapters:
0:00 - Intro
1:18 - Dutch Master of Manipulation
27:33 - Did Killing Micah Backfire?
38:34 - Did Cornwall & Bronte have to die?
1:00:35 - Did Arthur tro to infect MIcah?
1:16:30 - Why Did Dutch Shoot Micah?
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Hot take maybe but this story didn’t need a rat at all and Micah being made into an obvious scapegoat detracts from Dutch’s characterization in RDR1 where John is pretty clear the gang’s demise was on Dutch losing it and not any outside influences
well true but the whole point is micah getting in dutchs head and really kicking off his insanity and making it way worse, u def right tho
I agree with this statement. I personally think Micah was a rat, but I don't think a rat was necessarily the cause of the downfall. He just sped up the inevitable. I think the gang would have fallen either way, but Micah definitely helped.
This isn't a hot take, arthur straights up says this in chapter 6.
Yeah Arthur said dutch was never the man they believed he was and he was always crazy.
@@Sketchy_2 no I mean the story would be better had he been right. Micah being the rat felt like a cop out to the theme of both games that the west was tamed and civilization was catching up to the straglers
The 1st speech Dutch gave soon after reaching shelter during the blizzard, I knew he was sketchy with the "stay with me" part manipulative talk coming from someone guilty of something
Man I love your videos because of 2 reasons:
1. Red Dead Redemption
2. Really long so I can do some chores or other work and just listen to a nice subject
I go to sleep to them haha
Same. Truck driving, I need long videos
I always love when I’m listening to someone and they speak clearly and concise. I listen to videos like this all day.
I ALREADY KNOW THIS A W VID
Thanks, but its really more a chill video. Got some new long ones on the way though👀!
Your content is unreal bro, no filler or bad humour just purely informative, great analysis
i'm a college student and for some reason, watching/listening to videos like these has been the sole reason I'm actually completing any work lmao
You have a great voice and your script is intelligent and increasing all the time. I don't even like video games. But I loved this game.
Hey, thank you. That's incredibly flattering to hear
A comment i made on Reddit somewhat recently on my thoughts when it comes to Dutch.
Dutch wanted more money and chaos, and his ego didn't let him stop
This is copy and pasted from a discussion I had with another user here’s how I view Dutch.
Dutch is the best character of red dead in my opinion and people saying he was this narcissistic psychopath since the start is just simply not true there are a lot of factors to whey he turned darker and darker.
First off Dutch was always bad as he was a criminal since he was 15 but always had a moral code this videogame slowly shows us how this moral code gets eventually deteriorated. The first thing that makes Dutch go darker is the pressure he has on himself people are starting to doubt him which has never happened in the gangs history.
So he becomes desperate to get a major victory to win back the trust some of the gang members have lost so he starts trying to win money to escape to paradise but the failures that transpire hoseas, Sean’s, and Lenny’s death he thinks were all practically his fault so he tries everything he can for that never to happen again and this includes shattering his code.
This is first shown in Guarma when he kills the old woman because she was in his way this shows us that his code of “no unnecessary killing” is now gone but he did this to save Javier faster meaning that his code of “leave no one behind” is still In tact. In my personal opinion I think that Dutch just wanted to go to a country in peace but go back to the USA with a new gang he doesn’t care about and continue fighting for a anarchistic paradise and he would’ve continued on fighting until that worldview was implanted on the USA the bad thing Is Dutch doesn’t even know how to do this
But back to why Dutch became more evil as time passed by now we’re on chapter 6 now Dutch shattering his entire code in this chapter was in my opinion MOSTLY because of Micah and nobody else, Micah preyed on Dutch’s trust issues about John and straight up told him that he was a traitor to Dutch, Micah also preyed on Dutch wanting survival for his gang telling him that doing impulsive, vengeful, and destructive acts is the only way for survival, Micah does all of this because it benefits him as he wants to be the most powerful member and the one who makes the most money he wants Dutch to be completely trust him so he needs to get rid of people like John and Arthur to get that position, And Micah manipulated Dutch so well that he believed him he ditched his entire code for survival in paradise he leaves Abigail behind to save his own skin as saving Abigail would be too risky again Micah manipulated him into doing this decision.
But he actually saw Micah for who he was and avenged Arthur if it was just to kill Micah because he betrayed hi he would have taken the money. So this is how I view Dutch sorry for the long comment
I can't believe you don't have nore views. I really like your videos man.
Feels Criminal to be this Early
WAIT THIS WAS UPLOADED AN HOUR AGO HOLY MOLY
Love these vids
Awesome thank you! Will play this as i make dinner
No one talks about this, but I think Dutch suffered from syphilis we also see his woman is a little nuts as well. There are people who can live with syphilis, but one thing is very true about it and that’s madness follows.
MY BOY IVE GOT A PLAN NEED THE MONEY NEED THE TIME NEED THE LOYALYT
The long form videos are it , I know they're harder and long to make but longer is always better
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I'm addicted to rdr2 😅❤
Howdy, how about a video about Evelyn Miller’s studyings/writings, their bases and influences on Dutch and etc.?
we early for this one
I don't think Dutch shooting Micah had anything to do with Arthur, or at least very little. When John asks Dutch's reason for being there, the simple "Same as you, I guess'" tells the audience he was always planning to kill Micah, not actually conjoin their gangs, but considering who Dutch is at this point, I feel it was more about eliminating an obvious threat of a man who built up his own gang in under a decade than getting vengeance on him for something not technically done against Dutch, who was leading a hunting party against John and Arthur in the final moments of Beaver Hollow. If he was ever intent on aligning with Micah, at the very least those plans were shot down the moment Micah had no more gang to align with, aka when John, Sadie, and Charles showed up. Personally, I think Dutch always planned to kill Micah, only he'd probably though something out years in advance, and when our gang showed up, he chose to act swiftly rather than stupidly. He knew neither John, Sadie, or Charles actually held ill will or contempt towards him, even if they abandoned their blind faith. They held no threat to his power, and Micah did. So he saw to it that threat never gained traction.
Edit: just to add a little bit more theory, I stopped believing the whole "Micah is a rat" thing by my third playthrough of the game. I just don't think it'd be possible for anyone of Micah's - stature, let's say - to even be capable of manipulating Dutch. Dutch is a fully-grown adult male narcissist. No one can convince him of something he doesn't already want to believe.
What if Cornwall accepted dutch's deal
Beaver hollow is better terrain than the swamps. Swamps would be the met humid
Thanks,
Micah telling John to join them at the end was JARRING. I guess it's just him being a rat because it's obvious he and Dutch didn't want him
They would've let John join but in the same way Micah tried to kill the skinny guy he would've done the same to John.
Just an act so he can kill him like a rat
While riding anywhere on the trail, you can often come upon the same blind man again and again, and I hold a theory that he is the Strange Man for Arthur, but on one encounter he says something along the lines of "Beware of your father, for he is seduced by the one with the forked tongue" (Dutch being led astray by Micah)
Micah told Dutch all these lies of fortune and success, while the rest of the gang (excluding Bill, Karen, Javier) tried to be realistic.
You might awell remove the “I don’t often make these part cuz you kinda do lol
Its only 6. Lol but fair enough 😂
@@CynicGTA just you wait it’ll be a series soon lol
What the hell is all this
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Whys the intro dutch voices so odd?
Part of the editing from the original video. That introduction was made to mimic an old style type of film
@@CynicGTA oh nice i thought my phone was glitching