Carry On is not really a prog song but a gateway drug for an excellent prog-leaning band; kinda like good quality Americanized ethnic food---tasty enough, filling, and broadly accessible, with hints of greater experiences awaiting the adventurer who digs deeper. I will add that listening to Carry On on phones or at less than head-banging volume from some good chest-thump-capable speakers is like eating fries without salt.
An old classic. Heard too many times but I clicked on you anyway. Now you got me thinking about food. Hope yall go back to that Pink Floyd restaurant sometime. They serve great Dogs, Pigs, and Sheep! Each one is a full coarse meal😎
Nostalgia overpowers objectivity on this one, guys. It was a big rock radio hit back in the mid 70s and continues to be a staple of classic rock radio. The riff is killer and the guitars overall are good. And I really like the change up at the end of the tune. Score 5.0 with a great big bong hit.
Prog to me is a 5 course meal. Some people prefer the McDonald's of music (pop) but I want something with substance. I have MANY suggestions for prog if your interested including things off the beaten path.
Very true, I'll definitely agree. Balance is key. I love steak and sushi, which are high quality and rich foods, but I couldn't eat that everyday lol. A well-balanced meal with occasional cheat days is best ;) -JP
Kansas. The hardest working, and one of the most accessible prog rock groups there ever was. Good times! This would likely be their most popular song. One of my fav's for sure. Try "Magnum Opus" for a Kansas song with more "mass" behind it!
Although both Genesis and King Crimson are two of my all time favorite bands, I came to realize one day: I'm not really a fan of progressive rock. I remember Peter Gabriel defining how Genesis started doing progressive rock by saying how record companies would pick apart their songs and say: This part sounds like rock, this part sounds folky, and this part sounds like a hymn; and you've got them all mixed together and you can't do that. You've got to separate them. In short, Gabriel was defining the genre as one that was totally open; had no boundaries. These days, however, if you ask a fan what progressive rock is they'd probably tell you that it has to be epic with shifting time signatures and self-indulgent solos, etc. To me, however, those are boundaries. Since country was brought up I'd like to point you in the direction of one of my favorite singer songwriters bar genre: Tom T. Hall. I'd try either 'Ballad to 40 Dollars' or 'Homecoming' for starters. Cheers!
Very interesting about how the record companies would dissect their music; I think their strength is combining all these sounds and making them sound cohesive and not forced.
Camel - Lady Fantasy (I'll keep relentlessly requesting it) Kansas - Miracles Out Of Nowhere Gravy Train - Staircase To The Day Boston - A Man I'll Never Be Beggars Opera - Silver Peacock Blue Oyster Cult - Astronomy Curved Air - Metamorphosis Deep Purple - Anthem Frank Zappa - Peaches En Regalia The Alan Parsons Project - Ammonia Avenue
I wonder about some things: How many people have known this song prior to Supernatural? How many of those people have actually listened to the full version prior to Supernatural? How many of those people have enjoyed that version? How many of those people do now think that the full version sounds "wrong" and overlong? How many of those people do now hate Supernatural for ruining a song they once liked? Am I one of those people?
this is a top rock song for me. most consider one of the best rick songs of all time. and most people lover the vocals. i dont call this prog rock although it is unique.
Long time staple on classic rock radio when I was growing up. I always loved the structure and power of it. 4.2 However, I never looked further into Kansas besides the hits. And the hits are great. I'm a sucker for Dust in the Wind. I think that's their best. Very simple and gorgeous. Make Manny listen to that one.
I think you guys should listen to "The Lamia" by Genesis. It's a beautiful song that's not super long and the entire thing is consistent, nothing really takes you out of the music
Gentle Giant is the epitome of progressive rock. They mix many musical genres into something so unique. Have a listen to the song "in a glass house" for starters
I thoroughly enjoyed the food analogy! this is considered a classic but I have to admit the length and the solos could be a bit off-putting the first time around, however it's his voice, lyrics, and the overall feel of it that brings it to a 4 for me. I have Supernatural to thank for that though 😂 Panic! at the Disco actually covered this song at one of their shows and BLEW me away! I could post a link if you'd be interested in checking that out; really missed you guys and thank you for all your hard work, I have a lot of catching up to do 😊
It just takes some time and patience. Manny will learn one day, he's still so young. And I do not talk about this song now. I think that if there are genres that one does not like (a little more complicated genres than list music that is) it is not because of the genres, it is because the untrained ear of the listener. It took me decades to learn to appreciate the genres once were not for my liking. But I did and so can anyone if only one is ready to challenge oneself from time to time. Which you are doing at the moment. And that's good. In progressive rock the best part is that it is not genre bound. It can have all the best parts from other genres. And that is why I love it, among many other genres.
These are almost impossible not to like: ruclips.net/video/9x6YclsLHN0/видео.html And not all progrock songs are long. But the album as a whole in the key to the soul of progressive rock really. ruclips.net/video/d-2mD7CD4G0/видео.html
I was completely on the side of MP for a very long time, and still am to extent, older progressive rock is very hit or miss for me, but I do love this song by Kansas. Imo the Progressive Jazz Fusion acts we have today are a lot more interesting and enjoyable overall than these older acts though, I would like to suggest Scale the Summit - Soria Moria. Little backstory, I get into prog in 2015 with the album Juggernaut by Periphery, it was heavy, melodic, and progressive. I could never get into the older stylings of prog. But now when appreciating older stylings a little more I still believe that modern prog far exceeds older stylings in every conceivable way, (other suggestions), persefone, invent animate, erra, shadow of intent, show MP some Plini, ne obliviscaris, slice the cake, rolo tomassi, fallujah, the ocean collective, protest the hero
Thanks Tundra! My prog journey was Dream Theater-Opeth-Symphony X as the main three, and I branched from there. I love Plini and PTH; not a huge fan of Slice the Cake or Erra though tbh. Maybe I should revisit them. -JP
My favorite band is a prog rock band. Not many people know it.. they are "Coheed and Cambria" and I'd recommend listening to "no world for tomorrow".. but they have so many songs, I'd recommend. You would earn a permanent fan if you go give it an open minded listen.
@@jpmp1201 Do a reaction please.. pick a song that you haven't heard.. there's probably still a ton you haven't listened to yet.. the CaC community is shorted on reactors .. there's only a few songs really reacted to on all of RUclips.. we have like ten people that have done the same two songs.. and if you ask me most CaC fans don't wanna hear Welcome Home any more lol we have listened to it 1000 times already
Not many people know C&C these days? Tried multiple times to listen to newer C&C. But I have this thing where I tell myself I have to start over with the first album, because it's been a long time ever since and it's a concept album series (or it used to be). So, I listen to the first two, maybe three albums...and then I get sick of Claudio Sanchez. That's why I can't get past the third album...
@@jpmp1201 do your self that favor and don't listen lol listen to a song called "the hard sell" it's great.. I think we would get a great reaction from that
If Manny wants instrumental, you guys should definitely check out the Dixie Dregs (at some point, they shortened that to just the Dregs). All HOT instrumentalists - they met at, I believe, the University of Miami music program - and mostly just smokin', vocal-less, hard driving jazz/progressive rock....with, yes, a little dixie thrown in now and then. I'd recommend Assembly Line from the album Industry Standard as a more or less perfect jumping off point.
Valid point Manny had in the beginning. Throughout my life I use to hate certain music that I love now. For example I couldn't stand reggaeton or country or sometimes even hip hop and now I can get jiggy with it lol. It's just part of life lol
I get burned out with this song. It’s played too much. I prefer Miracles Out of Nowhere, which Manny would hate .. it would be rotten shark or soggy salad or something. Idk, i don’t fully get his analogies lol 🤣🤣
Like whisky, coffee or craft beer, progressive rock is an acquired taste. Once you get that admittedly strong taste, nothing else compares. Try Spock’s Beard’s ‘The Doorway’ or ‘The Ghosts of Autumn ‘. Smooth, heady, wonderful aroma. Slimmer but bolder (copyrights to me):)
I'm with Manny on this one. In one bite, this song is great--but it is easy to get too much. I would rate it as a classic rock tune; still, I have to admit that I turn the radio station when it comes on because I don't like to hear it too much. I can appreciate it for what it is but I just don't need to hear it all that often.
Manny does not seem to generally like progressive rock and I understand that. There is an English progressive band called Marillion I would suggest you listen to Neverland from the album Marbles
John Sta thanks for the suggestion. I’m open to explore, there was a time country left a bad Taste in my mouth, now I love so much of it. Send me suggestions any time, I’m ready!
Biggest hits aren't always the best tracks! Classic progressive rock is more creative and has more imagination than mainstream rock! From the lyrics to the vocals and the music! But I still love everything old from radio songs to rock music! From Peter Paul and Mary to Ozzy era Black Sabbath!
This song is not Prog. Yes. This band Kansas, was a Prog band but the songs that made it to radio were not Prog. They were Rock. ELP. That’s Prog. Early Kansas and deep cuts off Song For America or Masque.... Prog. Underrated band.
I'm tired. Prog restaurants. I thought you were talking literally at first😂 ....and there is NO Prog band better than Genesis! Just my completely unbiased opinion. (SUPPER'S READY REACTION) Subliminal message.
Oh of course; DT was the first band I ever got pulled into and introduced me to progressive metal. We've done some songs here and on my other channel. -JP
TL;DR: I'm with Manny. Long version: OK, I'm gonna get contentious here... *braces for a wall of people telling me how wrong I am.* Firstly, everything below is entirely my opinion. You dear reader are more than welcome to disagree. Prog, whilst it's good in places (Genesis Firth of Fifth being a classic example which you've already looked at), is mostly the Fisher Price of classic music, written mostly by committee, and a pale imitation of the original. I can (and do) enjoy work like Rick Wakeman's Six Wives suite, or Genesis Behind the Lines/Firth of Fifth/Duke's Travels,Los Endos and so on, but... 90% of prog is the compositional equivalent of Steve Vai - technically impressive, but not something most people are going to want to listen to. It lacks a finesse and elegance, compared to music that does multiple movements, changes in key, time signature and so on really well. For some direct contrasts, let's consider: * Trans-Siberian Orchestra - Mozart, against the Rene Jacobs recording of the Overture to the Marriage of Figaro in Koln - the original makes TSO's sound like the rock equivalent of My First Lullaby's classical music * Yes - Roundabout, against Wagner's Tannhäuser Overture, both have substantial changes in mood, tempo, and timbre, depending on what instruments are playing, and yet for all that Roundabout is a great song, Tannhäuser blows it away * 2112 - Rush, against Holst's Planets Suite conducted by Sir Simon Rattle with the Berliner Phil. 2112 is a solid 7 part, 20 minutes of prog at its best. But nothing in it gets close to the rage of Mars, the delicacy and majesty of Jupiter, or the quiet ethereality of Neptune. We don't even have to go classic either. Something like Clapton's Layla, whilst not generally considered prog, has two distinct movements, two different keys repeatedly used in the first movement (Dm for choruses, C#m for verses), two whacking great solos, at completely different tempos... So by most definitions it should count, but it's not generally lumped in, as Clapton isn't considered a prog guy, and it flows too well between all the different elements. Bat Out of Hell isn't either, despite being almost ten minutes with three or four movements depending how you cut it, with various changes in tempo across the movements. Ghost Love Score by Nightwish should count too given the multi-movement structure and different time signatures, but it gets lumped in with symphonic gothic metal. Don't get me wrong, Nightwish have written a lot of cheese too, but GLS is pretty solid. I think where prog falls down compared to either classical music, or modern music which (in my opinion) does the same things better, is that the music that does it best doesn't feel like it's trying to be clever. It's just trying to be good, and the shifts in dynamics, time sigs, keys, and different movements is used to build something great, not simply to add complexity.
Damn... Damn you Pete, you're making me pull out a dictionary just to read this post LOL and then take a star trek journey to visit the planets. I liked the rage when I got to the red planet, I took a spin around the big planet 3 times because I liked it so damn much and found the blue ball cold and boring. I guess since I started this journey, I may as well visit the other planets in our solar system and see if there're other hidden gems. Not to mention all the work I still have to do researching all the references you just dropped on us. No, No I'm not complaining LOL. All kidding aside, I wouldn't mind a few more references when it comes to classical music. On occasion I 'll put on classical that inspires me. I'm a novice and know like zero about classical music. I do love the sound of the cello, I find the sound of the instrument hypnotizing, and when you get a great melody like Bach cello Suite 1 it's just like candy to me. Oddly enough, the classical arrangements I like the most come from movie soundtracks. The one from Crimson Tide by Hans Zimmer comes to mind. The arrangement just inspires me, and I like that the song makes a reference to "Eternal Father, Strong to Save" hymn. By the way, I agree with the S. Vai statement about listening to technically proficient guitar player. I once went to see Joe Satriani play. I had been playing guitar for about 4 years at the time. I was like man this is fuk'n amazing with what I was witnessing on stage. By the 5 or 6 song, I got bored and left. It just got boring pretty quick watching him zip around the fretboard. There wasn't much else going on with his show. I also agree with your statement about bands trying to be too clever.
@@JeromeDukes glad to give you something a little different. Also, if you really want your mind blown by a cellist, listen to Isserlis' version of Elgar's Cello Concerto with the LSO. Sheer brilliance.
@@petewatson-wailes10 Hey Pete, I got a chance to listen to the Elgar Cello Concerto. There were some parts where I enjoyed the melodies. I enjoyed it overall and I would say if was a good listen not a great listen for me. One thing that surprised me was the sound of his cello. I wasn't getting that bassy droning sound. I was wondering are there different variations of the cello? Just like the Sax, where you have variations like tenor and alto. I found his cello sounded a lot higher then what I expected. Anyway thanks for the suggestion, appreciate it.
Okay guys, I've watched a few videos... My question to Manny, what songs/bands DO you like? I mean, my wife says I'm a "music snob", but I'm not sure that I hold a candle to you're level of pickiness. 😉😂
Rarely does a good prog song grab you upon first listen...especially if you’re not a fan of the genre in the first place. Most prog songs take numerous listens to really “get”.
I love prog but you might want to avoid Tull, Van Der Graaf Generator and Gentle Giant. I love them but if prog doesn’t do it for you, it’s best you avoid them.
Love love love Kansas, the American Genesis. Having said that, hard to rate this song ...over saturation. Have seen them three times in concert. Stopped listening after first 4 albums, they got too religious for me. That was my fly in the soup. Masque is my favorite album.
Hey guys, love your content! I think you should review Frownland by Captain Beefheart, it'll make for some very interesting reactions. I recommend that you do some research into the song/album before listening though!
ANY genre of music has examples of so-so music or music that doesn't resonate exactly with you. Heavy metal is not flawless. Anyone could find a Band-Aid in your favorite music. But there is not a nail in your food, you just don't like the flavor. There is a big difference between something prepared uncleanly or professionally and something that is just not to your taste. Unless you are talking about something that is badly mixed or produced, the metaphor is useless.
Manny is anti-prog, but let's be honest, in any genre of music, there is a fair amount of mediocrity. Prog, being difficult to play, might even have a higher amount of mediocrity than other genres. Still, the high points are amazing: Yes, Genesis, Rush, Crimson, Porcupine Tree have all made excellent records.
@@Umiflow I can't predict what you will/won't like (I thought you'd have loved Cinema Show), but if you want more Genesis, I suggest Behind the Lines, Heathaze, Squonk, Me and Sarah Jane, and Just a Job To Do. I also wonder if you might enjoy Pink Floyd songs such as Wish You Were Here, Sorrow or Not Now John. Last suggestion: Yes South Side of the Sky.
This is not a great example of a prog song. For me this is more straight forward as both of you did mention. I sorta get Manny's point because even for me some extreme prog songs can be hit or miss. Sometime the path/direction a song can take may not always sit well with your ears. You can like the musicianship or melodies in some parts of the song but all of sudden the song takes an unrelated path and you're like "Why". In some occasions the transitions can be rude and contrasting. It would seem, Manny is saying "I like the song to fit into a nice neat box, if i'm surprised, it better be a pleasant surprise". Also note, this platform is not always fair to the artist or the listener. Most songs, especially complex compositions need more then one listen to understand the artist intentions and to draw a conclusion. However, I don't think Manny is justified in his assumptions. He states he like Genisis thus far as the only prog band that he'll listen to on his own time. I'd have to go and see but I believe some the of those Genisis songs reactions were straight forwards songs, like Rush's The Pass and Tom Sawyer. To me, I can't see how Manny can form an opinion of a band/genre based on a handful of song. I can rhyme of a ton of songs from bands like Rush, Yes, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Supertramp, Styx, Boston that lean commercial, which I know he'll like. Justin try reaction to these song, Roundabout by Yes, Digital Man by Rush, Foreplay/Long Time by Boston. These song don't fit into the commercially neat box Manny likes but I think he still may like them. By the way great reaction from the two of you, I enjoyed it.
Thanks Dukes! One of those songs you've mentioned will be out...probably at the end of next week actually, lol. Besides that, it is hard to gather your thoughts and have somewhat-informed opinions on songs, especially when they've longer and take time to take in. Honestly thats the main reason I/we haven't done any 20+ songs (yet); theres just too much to take in for one listen. I'm sure we will eventually, but I like to hear those kinds of songs over and over before I can have a somewhat accurate opinion. On the same hand, for me that makes this especially hard because if I don't personally like a song, I like to hear more immediately to get a wider scope of their work. Unfortunately I often have to hold back to have a fresh view for the channel(s). Ah well, I'll just go back and listen to The Forest some more :D
"People want to hear this right?" ... ah....wellllll.... not so much Manny. And I think you're dropping nails in the food. And clearly Manny doesn't get prog rock if he thinks every band does the same thing. Because that is totally bull.
Prog rock isn't a burger joint, it's a 5 star menu. Just because a certain entree doesn't entice you, is no reason to stop reading.
You compare Prog rock to reading a menu?
Yes, Yes They did.
"The road so far..." I just have to ask : ANY SUPERNATURAL FANS HERE?
"Show me one better than Genesis!" lol...…..Don't bother looking...I've spent a lifetime looking and have not found one!
Carry On is not really a prog song but a gateway drug for an excellent prog-leaning band; kinda like good quality Americanized ethnic food---tasty enough, filling, and broadly accessible, with hints of greater experiences awaiting the adventurer who digs deeper. I will add that listening to Carry On on phones or at less than head-banging volume from some good chest-thump-capable speakers is like eating fries without salt.
An old classic. Heard too many times but I clicked on you anyway. Now you got me thinking about food.
Hope yall go back to that Pink Floyd restaurant sometime. They serve great Dogs, Pigs, and Sheep! Each one is a full coarse meal😎
Haha, they don't serve a meal, they serve an experience!
This channel is a Denny's: in a pinch it will get you fed, but you won't tell anyone about it.
Lol! Come on, at least bump us to IHOP-status.
-JP
@@jpmp1201 I'm just bustin', I appreciate you guys are critical listeners and have a good repore with each other. Have fun at it!
@@slipstreammonkey Thanks Scott, appreciate that :D
Nostalgia overpowers objectivity on this one, guys. It was a big rock radio hit back in the mid 70s and continues to be a staple of classic rock radio. The riff is killer and the guitars overall are good. And I really like the change up at the end of the tune. Score 5.0 with a great big bong hit.
My man.
Wow! Back when I could hear the lyrics. Excellent harmony.
Use that music to bring world peace.
Prog to me is a 5 course meal. Some people prefer the McDonald's of music (pop) but I want something with substance. I have MANY suggestions for prog if your interested including things off the beaten path.
Yeah? What you got man?
@@DDChorror LOL, great analogy.
Very true, I'll definitely agree. Balance is key. I love steak and sushi, which are high quality and rich foods, but I couldn't eat that everyday lol. A well-balanced meal with occasional cheat days is best ;)
-JP
Kansas. The hardest working, and one of the most accessible prog rock groups there ever was. Good times!
This would likely be their most popular song. One of my fav's for sure.
Try "Magnum Opus" for a Kansas song with more "mass" behind it!
Tightest band I have ever seen in a live setting.
Prog Rock is not a genre, it's a collection thereof. Each band is very different, even from album to album.
Although both Genesis and King Crimson are two of my all time favorite bands, I came to realize one day: I'm not really a fan of progressive rock.
I remember Peter Gabriel defining how Genesis started doing progressive rock by saying how record companies would pick apart their songs and say: This part sounds like rock, this part sounds folky, and this part sounds like a hymn; and you've got them all mixed together and you can't do that. You've got to separate them.
In short, Gabriel was defining the genre as one that was totally open; had no boundaries. These days, however, if you ask a fan what progressive rock is they'd probably tell you that it has to be epic with shifting time signatures and self-indulgent solos, etc. To me, however, those are boundaries.
Since country was brought up I'd like to point you in the direction of one of my favorite singer songwriters bar genre: Tom T. Hall. I'd try either 'Ballad to 40 Dollars' or 'Homecoming' for starters. Cheers!
Very interesting about how the record companies would dissect their music; I think their strength is combining all these sounds and making them sound cohesive and not forced.
@@jpmp1201 Thanks. Totally serious about Tom T. Hall, too -- a forgotten country music gem!
Camel - Lady Fantasy (I'll keep relentlessly requesting it)
Kansas - Miracles Out Of Nowhere
Gravy Train - Staircase To The Day
Boston - A Man I'll Never Be
Beggars Opera - Silver Peacock
Blue Oyster Cult - Astronomy
Curved Air - Metamorphosis
Deep Purple - Anthem
Frank Zappa - Peaches En Regalia
The Alan Parsons Project - Ammonia Avenue
I wonder about some things: How many people have known this song prior to Supernatural? How many of those people have actually listened to the full version prior to Supernatural? How many of those people have enjoyed that version? How many of those people do now think that the full version sounds "wrong" and overlong? How many of those people do now hate Supernatural for ruining a song they once liked? Am I one of those people?
this is a top rock song for me. most consider one of the best rick songs of all time. and most people lover the vocals. i dont call this prog rock although it is unique.
Long time staple on classic rock radio when I was growing up. I always loved the structure and power of it. 4.2 However, I never looked further into Kansas besides the hits. And the hits are great. I'm a sucker for Dust in the Wind. I think that's their best. Very simple and gorgeous. Make Manny listen to that one.
One of the songs of my life. So easily 5.0!
I think you guys should listen to "The Lamia" by Genesis. It's a beautiful song that's not super long and the entire thing is consistent, nothing really takes you out of the music
Good call!
Appreciate the suggestion!
Good shout Archie.
I second this rec. Great Hackett solo at the end. Magical poetic lyrics (Silent Sorrows in empty boats).
@@jpmp1201 It's just one song within a 90 min concept album. Best heard in context (i.e. listen to the whole album).
Gentle Giant is the epitome of progressive rock. They mix many musical genres into something so unique. Have a listen to the song "in a glass house" for starters
I thoroughly enjoyed the food analogy! this is considered a classic but I have to admit the length and the solos could be a bit off-putting the first time around, however it's his voice, lyrics, and the overall feel of it that brings it to a 4 for me. I have Supernatural to thank for that though 😂 Panic! at the Disco actually covered this song at one of their shows and BLEW me away! I could post a link if you'd be interested in checking that out; really missed you guys and thank you for all your hard work, I have a lot of catching up to do 😊
Milica Matović thanks for watching! Yes send us a link! Brendon Urie has a phenomenal voice.
@@Umiflow I concur ruclips.net/video/SwzdMMDKMd8/видео.html
There are progressive rock restaurants WOW I didn't know
Okay... Enough fooling around.... Grand Funk Railroad! If you want to get down, play "Inside looking out" Live version! You will not be sorry!
It just takes some time and patience. Manny will learn one day, he's still so young. And I do not talk about this song now.
I think that if there are genres that one does not like (a little more complicated genres than list music that is) it is not because of the genres, it is because the untrained ear of the listener. It took me decades to learn to appreciate the genres once were not for my liking. But I did and so can anyone if only one is ready to challenge oneself from time to time. Which you are doing at the moment. And that's good.
In progressive rock the best part is that it is not genre bound. It can have all the best parts from other genres. And that is why I love it, among many other genres.
jj981293486 I definitely am open to growing into the genre! Send me suggestions any time :)
These are almost impossible not to like:
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And not all progrock songs are long. But the album as a whole in the key to the soul of progressive rock really.
ruclips.net/video/d-2mD7CD4G0/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/gNA-6JqKsVQ/видео.html
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My favorite song from Kansas has always been "Closet Chronicles". This one of course has become a classic in the last years because of Supernatural.
I was completely on the side of MP for a very long time, and still am to extent, older progressive rock is very hit or miss for me, but I do love this song by Kansas.
Imo the Progressive Jazz Fusion acts we have today are a lot more interesting and enjoyable overall than these older acts though, I would like to suggest Scale the Summit - Soria Moria.
Little backstory, I get into prog in 2015 with the album Juggernaut by Periphery, it was heavy, melodic, and progressive. I could never get into the older stylings of prog. But now when appreciating older stylings a little more I still believe that modern prog far exceeds older stylings in every conceivable way, (other suggestions), persefone, invent animate, erra, shadow of intent, show MP some Plini, ne obliviscaris, slice the cake, rolo tomassi, fallujah, the ocean collective, protest the hero
Thanks Tundra! My prog journey was Dream Theater-Opeth-Symphony X as the main three, and I branched from there. I love Plini and PTH; not a huge fan of Slice the Cake or Erra though tbh. Maybe I should revisit them.
-JP
My favorite band is a prog rock band. Not many people know it.. they are "Coheed and Cambria" and I'd recommend listening to "no world for tomorrow".. but they have so many songs, I'd recommend. You would earn a permanent fan if you go give it an open minded listen.
Thanks Tom! We're both pretty familiar with CaC.
-JP
@@jpmp1201 Do a reaction please.. pick a song that you haven't heard.. there's probably still a ton you haven't listened to yet.. the CaC community is shorted on reactors .. there's only a few songs really reacted to on all of RUclips.. we have like ten people that have done the same two songs.. and if you ask me most CaC fans don't wanna hear Welcome Home any more lol we have listened to it 1000 times already
Not many people know C&C these days? Tried multiple times to listen to newer C&C. But I have this thing where I tell myself I have to start over with the first album, because it's been a long time ever since and it's a concept album series (or it used to be). So, I listen to the first two, maybe three albums...and then I get sick of Claudio Sanchez. That's why I can't get past the third album...
@@kingtomthebomb1639 Haha, I never listened to anything from (I think it was called Black Rainbow?)
-JP
@@jpmp1201 do your self that favor and don't listen lol listen to a song called "the hard sell" it's great.. I think we would get a great reaction from that
Progressive rock is the highst Form of music ever made, of course not everithing
You could argue that about most genres🙃
Just found your channel....absolutely love it!
Ty James🙃
Carry on with the food metaphors, son.
Lol
If Manny wants instrumental, you guys should definitely check out the Dixie Dregs (at some point, they shortened that to just the Dregs). All HOT instrumentalists - they met at, I believe, the University of Miami music program - and mostly just smokin', vocal-less, hard driving jazz/progressive rock....with, yes, a little dixie thrown in now and then. I'd recommend Assembly Line from the album Industry Standard as a more or less perfect jumping off point.
It's a perfect song.
Prog rock is genre you must listen a couple of times to enjoy.
"Show me one better than Genesis"
Starless - King Crimson
Rinky Dink speaks some truth. Starless is da bomb.
Nope, Firth of Fifth for example is better. Nothing KC has done matches that.
Love to revisit KC sometime, but Copyright dissuades me lol.
@@jpmp1201 Yeah true. They've relaxed a bit since their music is on spotify now
@@jj981293486 hahaha dont think so. King crimson is the shit, live and on records
.... it's no wonder I don't visit this site very often
This song will alway mean Sam and Dean tooling down country roads in Baby, bickering with each other to me.
YESSSSSS. I also love how much Kansas has embraced the show and found a home within the legions of new fans.
Well done lads. Keep up the engaging work.
Jim Bricker 😬✌🏻
Valid point Manny had in the beginning.
Throughout my life I use to hate certain music that I love now. For example I couldn't stand reggaeton or country or sometimes even hip hop and now I can get jiggy with it lol. It's just part of life lol
Very much so; part of growing up and maturing/changing tastes.
Good luck. Best wishes always.
I get burned out with this song. It’s played too much. I prefer Miracles Out of Nowhere, which Manny would hate .. it would be rotten shark or soggy salad or something. Idk, i don’t fully get his analogies lol 🤣🤣
Rotten shark, now that sounds hilarious :D Thanks Michael!
JPMP 😉
Like whisky, coffee or craft beer, progressive rock is an acquired taste. Once you get that admittedly strong taste, nothing else compares. Try Spock’s Beard’s ‘The Doorway’ or ‘The Ghosts of Autumn ‘. Smooth, heady, wonderful aroma. Slimmer but bolder (copyrights to me):)
You may be very right with that whisky/beer taste thing, I'm still trying in that regard lol.
Emerson, Lake & Palmer. N'uff said.
Great Song Great Reaction Thank You
Thank YOU
I'm with Manny on this one. In one bite, this song is great--but it is easy to get too much. I would rate it as a classic rock tune; still, I have to admit that I turn the radio station when it comes on because I don't like to hear it too much. I can appreciate it for what it is but I just don't need to hear it all that often.
Manny needs to cook at home more.
Humming by Turnover, it's a really chill song.
To stoke the flames of Prog Rock, I'd love to hear you guys listen to some Yes. Either Roundabout or Owner of a Lonely Heart.
Thanks Ghostly!
For the love of prog, can you please do anything by porcupine tree/Steven Wilson? Anything.
I think Luminol by steven wilson might be the restaurant Manny keeps coming back to :)
This song (not really progressive) has been an AOR staple for 40+ years.
Manny does not seem to generally like progressive rock and I understand that. There is an English progressive band called Marillion I would suggest you listen to Neverland from the album Marbles
John Sta thanks for the suggestion. I’m open to explore, there was a time country left a bad Taste in my mouth, now I love so much of it. Send me suggestions any time, I’m ready!
Thanks John!
Marillion is fantastic! Very influenced by Genesis, too.
We need to better understand Manny's association of music with food. This isn't the first time food has been brought up in discussions. :-)
Food is the only thing that comforts my soul lol
Great reactions keep it up.
Terry Lehto thanks !!
Biggest hits aren't always the best tracks! Classic progressive rock is more creative and has more imagination than mainstream rock! From the lyrics to the vocals and the music! But I still love everything old from radio songs to rock music! From Peter Paul and Mary to Ozzy era Black Sabbath!
Very very true!
This song is not Prog. Yes. This band Kansas, was a Prog band but the songs that made it to radio were not Prog. They were Rock.
ELP. That’s Prog. Early Kansas and deep cuts off Song For America or Masque.... Prog. Underrated band.
Who cares about comparing it to a food joint! The song is a classic rock song!!
Somebody must be hungry. They keep talking about food. Hmmm..... interesting
Element Eighty - Flatline
The Neighbourhood - Prey
If you just eat Mc Donals of course you will find this masterpiece a 3.
Supernatural fan here
I'm tired. Prog restaurants. I thought you were talking literally at first😂
....and there is NO Prog band better than Genesis! Just my completely unbiased opinion. (SUPPER'S READY REACTION) Subliminal message.
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you guys should check out IQ I think you will be surprised.
Will you consider some Dream Theater? If you want to react to their quintessential song it's Pull me Under, if not maybe try The Spirit Carries On
Oh of course; DT was the first band I ever got pulled into and introduced me to progressive metal. We've done some songs here and on my other channel.
-JP
Listen to either Free or Made???? By Maverick in the album Big Red
TL;DR: I'm with Manny. Long version:
OK, I'm gonna get contentious here... *braces for a wall of people telling me how wrong I am.* Firstly, everything below is entirely my opinion. You dear reader are more than welcome to disagree.
Prog, whilst it's good in places (Genesis Firth of Fifth being a classic example which you've already looked at), is mostly the Fisher Price of classic music, written mostly by committee, and a pale imitation of the original.
I can (and do) enjoy work like Rick Wakeman's Six Wives suite, or Genesis Behind the Lines/Firth of Fifth/Duke's Travels,Los Endos and so on, but... 90% of prog is the compositional equivalent of Steve Vai - technically impressive, but not something most people are going to want to listen to. It lacks a finesse and elegance, compared to music that does multiple movements, changes in key, time signature and so on really well. For some direct contrasts, let's consider:
* Trans-Siberian Orchestra - Mozart, against the Rene Jacobs recording of the Overture to the Marriage of Figaro in Koln - the original makes TSO's sound like the rock equivalent of My First Lullaby's classical music
* Yes - Roundabout, against Wagner's Tannhäuser Overture, both have substantial changes in mood, tempo, and timbre, depending on what instruments are playing, and yet for all that Roundabout is a great song, Tannhäuser blows it away
* 2112 - Rush, against Holst's Planets Suite conducted by Sir Simon Rattle
with the Berliner Phil. 2112 is a solid 7 part, 20 minutes of prog at its best. But nothing in it gets close to the rage of Mars, the delicacy and majesty of Jupiter, or the quiet ethereality of Neptune.
We don't even have to go classic either. Something like Clapton's Layla, whilst not generally considered prog, has two distinct movements, two different keys repeatedly used in the first movement (Dm for choruses, C#m for verses), two whacking great solos, at completely different tempos... So by most definitions it should count, but it's not generally lumped in, as Clapton isn't considered a prog guy, and it flows too well between all the different elements. Bat Out of Hell isn't either, despite being almost ten minutes with three or four movements depending how you cut it, with various changes in tempo across the movements. Ghost Love Score by Nightwish should count too given the multi-movement structure and different time signatures, but it gets lumped in with symphonic gothic metal. Don't get me wrong, Nightwish have written a lot of cheese too, but GLS is pretty solid.
I think where prog falls down compared to either classical music, or modern music which (in my opinion) does the same things better, is that the music that does it best doesn't feel like it's trying to be clever. It's just trying to be good, and the shifts in dynamics, time sigs, keys, and different movements is used to build something great, not simply to add complexity.
Damn... Damn you Pete, you're making me pull out a dictionary just to read this post LOL and then take a star trek journey to visit the planets. I liked the rage when I got to the red planet, I took a spin around the big planet 3 times because I liked it so damn much and found the blue ball cold and boring. I guess since I started this journey, I may as well visit the other planets in our solar system and see if there're other hidden gems. Not to mention all the work I still have to do researching all the references you just dropped on us. No, No I'm not complaining LOL.
All kidding aside, I wouldn't mind a few more references when it comes to classical music. On occasion I 'll put on classical that inspires me. I'm a novice and know like zero about classical music. I do love the sound of the cello, I find the sound of the instrument hypnotizing, and when you get a great melody like Bach cello Suite 1 it's just like candy to me. Oddly enough, the classical arrangements I like the most come from movie soundtracks. The one from Crimson Tide by Hans Zimmer comes to mind. The arrangement just inspires me, and I like that the song makes a reference to "Eternal Father, Strong to Save" hymn.
By the way, I agree with the S. Vai statement about listening to technically proficient guitar player. I once went to see Joe Satriani play. I had been playing guitar for about 4 years at the time. I was like man this is fuk'n amazing with what I was witnessing on stage. By the 5 or 6 song, I got bored and left. It just got boring pretty quick watching him zip around the fretboard. There wasn't much else going on with his show. I also agree with your statement about bands trying to be too clever.
@@JeromeDukes glad to give you something a little different. Also, if you really want your mind blown by a cellist, listen to Isserlis' version of Elgar's Cello Concerto with the LSO. Sheer brilliance.
I don't have much to say, but I read your comment and love the comparisons. Thanks Pete.
-JP
@@petewatson-wailes10 Hey Pete, I got a chance to listen to the Elgar Cello Concerto. There were some parts where I enjoyed the melodies. I enjoyed it overall and I would say if was a good listen not a great listen for me. One thing that surprised me was the sound of his cello. I wasn't getting that bassy droning sound. I was wondering are there different variations of the cello? Just like the Sax, where you have variations like tenor and alto. I found his cello sounded a lot higher then what I expected. Anyway thanks for the suggestion, appreciate it.
@@JeromeDukesnope, just depends on how it's played. Cellos are all the same in terms of their voicing.
Okay guys, I've watched a few videos... My question to Manny, what songs/bands DO you like? I mean, my wife says I'm a "music snob", but I'm not sure that I hold a candle to you're level of pickiness. 😉😂
It’s not pickiness, it’s a lack of understanding of music and being multifaceted in experience across genres.
Yeah more prog rock!
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- Ok. ... Yes. ... Yes. ... I have it.
- Hang on, I have the brain of a woman and have a compulsion to say more unnecessary words
Lol!
Rarely does a good prog song grab you upon first listen...especially if you’re not a fan of the genre in the first place. Most prog songs take numerous listens to really “get”.
Good ol' blue collar Murican prog. Overplayed to death, but still better than Styx.
I love prog but you might want to avoid Tull, Van Der Graaf Generator and Gentle Giant. I love them but if prog doesn’t do it for you, it’s best you avoid them.
Love love love Kansas, the American Genesis. Having said that, hard to rate this song ...over saturation. Have seen them three times in concert. Stopped listening after first 4 albums, they got too religious for me. That was my fly in the soup. Masque is my favorite album.
Ya know, people usually suck at analogies, but I thought both were quite apt.
Thanks Dami!
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Hey guys, love your content! I think you should review Frownland by Captain Beefheart, it'll make for some very interesting reactions. I recommend that you do some research into the song/album before listening though!
Thank you Samir!
RUSH
If you don't like the genre of music then why are you reacting to it? It just sounds silly to me.
Country was like that at one point, but now we both enjoy it. Progressive rock has already shown us the same, we're just looking for more ;)
The expanding of horizons.
masquerading as a man with a reason...lyric is enough for a top slot
For an unforgettable seven-course meal at a Michelin restaurant, react to "The Camera Eye" by Rush - absolutely DELICIOUS, and VERY satisfying. 😎🎶🍝🍮🍷🎼
nomnomnom
-JP
I recommend you Camel's Nimrodel
Your commenters are way too nice. Honesty is definitely a good thing, but too often Manny makes me feel insulted.
Now do Progressive Yacht Rock!
Any particular suggestions?
@@jpmp1201 I was making that up of course. But ,maybe, you could progressive pop in that category, maybe Alan Parsons Project, Supertramp or ELO.
ANY genre of music has examples of so-so music or music that doesn't resonate exactly with you. Heavy metal is not flawless. Anyone could find a Band-Aid in your favorite music. But there is not a nail in your food, you just don't like the flavor. There is a big difference between something prepared uncleanly or professionally and something that is just not to your taste. Unless you are talking about something that is badly mixed or produced, the metaphor is useless.
Sorry but there isn't anything better than Genesis. Though I would say Yes can be just as good
Manny is anti-prog, but let's be honest, in any genre of music, there is a fair amount of mediocrity. Prog, being difficult to play, might even have a higher amount of mediocrity than other genres. Still, the high points are amazing: Yes, Genesis, Rush, Crimson, Porcupine Tree have all made excellent records.
RhythmCloud I definitely want to be pro-prog, perhaps I’ll discover some more gems on this channel, genesis, yes so good
@@Umiflow I can't predict what you will/won't like (I thought you'd have loved Cinema Show), but if you want more Genesis, I suggest Behind the Lines, Heathaze, Squonk, Me and Sarah Jane, and Just a Job To Do. I also wonder if you might enjoy Pink Floyd songs such as Wish You Were Here, Sorrow or Not Now John. Last suggestion: Yes South Side of the Sky.
Why so boomy and muddy?? Like bits of broken glass in my pasta....
I really don’t consider kansas progressive rock. It’s plain old rock n roll...
Too many analogies!
This is not a great example of a prog song. For me this is more straight forward as both of you did mention. I sorta get Manny's point because even for me some extreme prog songs can be hit or miss. Sometime the path/direction a song can take may not always sit well with your ears. You can like the musicianship or melodies in some parts of the song but all of sudden the song takes an unrelated path and you're like "Why". In some occasions the transitions can be rude and contrasting. It would seem, Manny is saying "I like the song to fit into a nice neat box, if i'm surprised, it better be a pleasant surprise". Also note, this platform is not always fair to the artist or the listener. Most songs, especially complex compositions need more then one listen to understand the artist intentions and to draw a conclusion. However, I don't think Manny is justified in his assumptions. He states he like Genisis thus far as the only prog band that he'll listen to on his own time. I'd have to go and see but I believe some the of those Genisis songs reactions were straight forwards songs, like Rush's The Pass and Tom Sawyer. To me, I can't see how Manny can form an opinion of a band/genre based on a handful of song. I can rhyme of a ton of songs from bands like Rush, Yes, Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Supertramp, Styx, Boston that lean commercial, which I know he'll like.
Justin try reaction to these song, Roundabout by Yes, Digital Man by Rush, Foreplay/Long Time by Boston. These song don't fit into the commercially neat box Manny likes but I think he still may like them.
By the way great reaction from the two of you, I enjoyed it.
Thanks Dukes! One of those songs you've mentioned will be out...probably at the end of next week actually, lol.
Besides that, it is hard to gather your thoughts and have somewhat-informed opinions on songs, especially when they've longer and take time to take in. Honestly thats the main reason I/we haven't done any 20+ songs (yet); theres just too much to take in for one listen. I'm sure we will eventually, but I like to hear those kinds of songs over and over before I can have a somewhat accurate opinion. On the same hand, for me that makes this especially hard because if I don't personally like a song, I like to hear more immediately to get a wider scope of their work. Unfortunately I often have to hold back to have a fresh view for the channel(s).
Ah well, I'll just go back and listen to The Forest some more :D
"People want to hear this right?" ... ah....wellllll.... not so much Manny.
And I think you're dropping nails in the food.
And clearly Manny doesn't get prog rock if he thinks every band does the same thing. Because that is totally bull.
Are you obsessed with food? Getting old.
sils lol dude, really? Who isn’t obsessed with food.
Manny Peralta not me. Other things much more important to think and care about,
@@panda9144 lol
Bland and generic.
Show me better than Genesis? Stardust we are/ by the flower Kings! But that‘s just one example, because i really dont like Genesis.