Small Affordable Watch Brand To DETHRONE High End Independents ? WATCH OUT!
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- Small Affordable Watch Brand To DETHRONE High End Independents ? WATCH OUT!
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In regard to your comment on the CW Bel Canto and the regular MB&F line, I agree.
However, imo a more equal comparison can be made in terms of price point, quality, & innovation with MB&F's special M.A.D. editions compared to the Bel Canto.
I love my Bel Canto, ive also got a limited edition wave dial on order. I cant wait to get that!
Love the epi, Fed. Thanks for the info!
I have a Bel Canto, lovely watch, value for money. Downsides being the company was not ready for the success of this watch and between delayed deliveries and poor messaging/follow up from management it feels like a one and done with the brand for me. Bonus point, the feeling you get when winding it is very pedestrian. On to Moser, I completely agree. I added a Heritage Dual Time to my collection, a well conceived and executed on piece. Now my favorite watch owned. Their management is beyond top tier.
They have all the skills and are not afraid to create. My only concern is they may be moving too quickly into focusing on the six figure product. I would prefer they build their customer base with $15K to $25K offerings.
Actually Fed, the Bel Canto does share some things with MB&F and the question is a legitimate one: The dial of the Bel Canto is made by Positive Coating and the entire chiming mechanism on it is finished by Chronode. And yes, they are the same companies that supply and work on the MB&F Legacy machines. I think Andrew, when he was at Watchfinder made a video on this and I think Christopher Ward told him not to make that public. But he did.😅
I’ve had the Bel Canto and the MAD 1 - similar pricing. The Bel Canto is leagues ahead of the MAD 1 in terms of complexity and some of the finishing.
@@justingalore123 not surprised, but we have to remember the MAD series is a side project of Max's, so they're not equivalent to the MB&Fs of course. But yeah, for similar price, the Bel Canto is far superior.
the Bel Canto is the one CW that caught my attention and is a very nice watch. The likes of MB&F, Moser, Hautlence, Czapek, Arnold & Son, Laurent Ferrier, Lange are the big daddies at the top.
I have been looking forward to this for days
Well said on all of these
I have the bel canto blue low number, and when I first got it, I thought, "Mmm but you start to appreciate the light weight and that look the more you have it .
I have a Dato. I totally cherish it.
The Lange 'Triple Split' would be my choice. Have a gander at _that_ movement!
Hi Fed, I’m passing through Miami airport for a long layover and would love a great seafood meal somewhere.
Any suggestions?
Moser - absolutely agree sir!
Hey Fed. Have you considered updating your intro clip? Something more 4k plus! Love the channel!
Hey Fed, what quality would you say the Tag Heuer time-only Carrera is coming in at? I like the look of that watch, but years ago the quality was not there. I have an Aqua Terra (previous gen). Is the Carrera equally to that in polish/brushing?
Also, what is the best luxury Quartz watch out there right now for men? I am keen on Quartz right now, but I want to maintain quality. Is Grand Seiko it (for me)?
I'm starting to really come around to Moser. I didn't really understand what made them so special but as I learn more, they're as cool as MBandF, as beautiful as any high end handmade watch, and their messaging is subversive and very much self-aware. What other watch brand tag line would be "Very rare."? Cheeky. When and if funds ever become free enough to go there, they will be very high on the list.
I agree and for me is like another FP Journe
Whoa hold on there champ. I love Moser but their movements are completely machine-finished. Comparing them to MB&F is apples to oranges.
I have a Bel Canto on order but it keeps getting delayed. I was supposed to get it by the end of this month, and now they're saying September.
Nice show man, I like them and your opinion. Yeah I d like the bell canto by CW which is affordable for homeboys like me 😅
5296 is a gorgeous PP. You are very lucky Federico. Wear in good health
Ahh Moser. Gorgeous. The VantaBlack! Seriously considered a pre-owned fumé green Pioneer and ultimately acknowledged it was just too big on my wrist. But the quality and finish and color was superior.
Fully agree on your comments about AL&S and Moser. Also think Saxonia (especially moon phase) is underrated amongst AL&S collection, similar fit and finish to their higher ranked pieces with beautiful, reliable movement as well as overall proportions.
I hear a lot of complaints recently especially from the US and Asia about quality probs with ALS
I have around 100k in my watch collection. Christopher Ward has spent the most time on my wrist in the last two years. If you removed price and went in blind, it’s going to be your favorite.
Good video
A quirky mechanical arrangement display does not make automatically high end horology. Otherwise the overcomplicated chinese watches should be on top of the list. Take the Sugess Tourbillon for example. Much much complex than any other watch in that price range. It does make a bigger step in high horology than any Bel Canto.
Bare with me, I love the Bel Canto and sooner or later it'll be in my collection, but it has to be clear the difference between real high end watchmaking and making the purchaser feel to have bought one but it's just an off the shelf modified movement.
The Bel Canto is on the red line ready to jump on the other side, but not yet.
A gorgeous watch for the price, but it's more high end a chinese tourbillon.
IMHO.
Minerva 16.29 is the most beautiful movement under $100K in my humble opinion.
Christopher Ward makes a decent watch for a good price. But, only decent. I have a CW 300 Trident Pro. It is gorgeous and the fit and finish is nice. But, the SW200 movement doesn't hold a candle to the SW200 movement in my Tudor 1926. The Tudor winds so much smoother, keeps better time, the reserve lasts longer even though they are rated the same. I like my CW and don't regret the purchase, but I won't purchase another one.
Your tutor 1926 has an eta movement with a 38 hour power reserve? Eer the selita is an exact same as the the eta EXACTLY.
If you wined them both to the max and put them down they should have the more or less same power in them. And the cw can be regulated if you want better running watch, cost you fifty quid
@@Andy-ys8sjor even DIY regulation, quite a few do because they enjoy tinkering. Makes one wonder how a double blind “wind off” would feel?
@@thompsonterry4804 agreed mate, me thinks matey boy is suffering brand blindness ha
Handled a Bel Canto recently and was underwhelmed, the use of Ti made it feel cheap and unbalanced
I received one recently and was disappointed with the feel of the bracelet, titanium does nothing for watches
Agreed… has asked CW about their use of TI but get no response.
please look at those watches in microscope. So curious how they are done in details.
CW bel canto v MB&F what Toyota's 2000GT was to Ferrari. Nobody compared them at the time. Now the 200gt is a million dollar icon.
Bel canto will highly priced in years to come once it becomes scarcer. The aesthetic design of the exposed movement module is insane moment of accidental genius.
they keep producing bel canto's so i doubt the price will go up beyond inflation. watches arent investments.
@bosco1603 agreed. Should have been limited... although against their horology democratisation values I guess.
Of course watches aren't investments lol.
Still could not be bothered with CW. Most of their watches and mind numbingly boring. If I want something in the same price range but mad and unique I will look at Corum for example
Comparing Corum with Christopher Ward is such an odd comparison. Christopher Ward makes high value-per-dollar modern sportswatches and look a lot less boring (lightcatcher case looks great, lots of fun models like the c60 sapphire, c65 worldtimer, or aquatine) than many of their competitors in the same price range (e.g. Mido, Tissot, Hamilton). Corum is a more expensive brand that doesn't serve the same niche, and they produce a lot of heinously ugly models alongside their very few hits
Corum should sets above all those crappy entry level Swiss even omega. Read well as corum is fantastic value for now. Unique and very niche. There movements they use f. Piaget
@@biggiebeil5118 still doesn't change the fact that they're not in the same price range, don't fulfill the same roles, and are ugly as sin
I'd rather have a AliExpress moonswatch than be caught dead wearing a corum
I bought the CW1 Moonphase because the Moser was unattainable for me
I am thinkin about the same model. What is your experience wearing it like?
I am thinkin about the same model. What is your experience wearing it like?
@@dannysimenauer5745 I enjoy wearing it and its very comfortable. I get compliments the lume
I am under the impression that Rolex’s latest rev movement was breaking down in about two and a half years. I also was told that the Rolex factory has a 18 month backlog for servicing. Am I misunderstanding the situation?
Cmon man Rolex makes the best watches in the world and can do no wrong? Did you see the new GMT with the black/grey bezel?! Totally revolutionary!
@@JackoWillMakeLives-loveu😂😂😂
I bought a cw watch: it felt like it was filled with sand, I returned it. And their lack of cooperation in returning it was so bad I'll never buy a cw ever again.
what do mean it felt like it was filled with sand?
Yeah what the heck does “… it felt like it was filled with sand…” even mean ? Clearly a watch isn’t filled with sand
You might be getting a watch mixed up with an hour glass
Filled with sand could mean rough sloppy mechanical feel winding and setting the watch. I have some high-end watches, and while you can see the finishing in pictures, there is no sense of how the watch feels mechanically, which I only found out by actually buying high-end watches. Looks like reviews don't talk about that. To me the mechanical feel greatly enhances or detracts from a watch.
I heard it as “gritty” when winding, which I have experienced myself on occasion and is a big bummer.
none of the watches available are under $500 and half of them are unavailable.
So they put an extra wheel in the mechanism to chime once an hour and i’m going to pay 4 grand for it? Not. I do think the twelve is nice but i want steel with the sw300 cosc, i don’t like the grey metal of titanium, so it’s still a no.
You just might want to read up on the component mechanics of a jump-hour movement; you’ll sound less ill-informed when voicing an opinion. :D
Your argument is convoluted. You say a watch is super reliable but not as reliable as a watch with fewer complications . To me the simpler more reliable watch is the more reliable watch
I just can't get with first and last name brand's. They remind me of fashion brand's like Tommy Hilfiger
So, if it were Christopher & Ward, much like VC once was Vacheron and Constantin or Patek AND Philippe, CW would pass the “name” test? Like what you like, but hearing your objection sounds silly to my ears.
A comparison between Christopher Ward and MB&F is a nonsense. CW is a wonderful mass product. MB&F is a product of art and science at completely different level.
Well, they do share suppliers and dial manufacturers.
@alectang1614 True, but that's the beginning and end of the comparison - MB&F is, indeed, in another universe.
@@dblh84 yes, they are, there's no doubt about that. But does it not intrigue you to know that the dials are made by the same companies? And the intricate chiming parts are also finished by the same companies. Yet one costs 100 times less?
"I forgot to set the time on the watch". "Who wears a watch to tell the time? That's what your phone is for!"
This kind of product is a great example of why the Swiss Made label is a scam. This watch and this brands collection doesn't deserve the “Swissness” designation with so many components made in China. Such practices harm reputable Swiss brands that go above and beyond the minimum requirements for the Swiss Made label. I wonder why so many brands still stick to that mention. What amazes me even more is that the Federation of the Swiss Watch Industry doesn’t seem to care to protect truly Swiss made watches from this kind of brands…
Most Swiss brands source from China including high-end and if you think differently you are delusional
"Swiss made" for watches is the same myth as Swiss chocolate - there are no cocoa trees in Switzerland. Most brands source from China anyways, including high-end.
Blah blah blah
😂 how much did Lange paid you to say that 😂
Personally, Omega, Rolex and Tudor are far more reliable than any German brands.
You get what you pay for. I wouldnt touch some of these cheap brands
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