Modern society's absolute obsession with short term pleasure and mistaking it for happiness is catastrophic to the psyche of a human. Moving from being somewhat a disciplinary society to an entirely achievement society has us chasing pleasure like it's the end all be all. In addition, Neo-liberal capitalism has in essence managed to turn almost everything normally associated with pleasure into a profit driven business, including food, dating, romantic love, sex, etc. under the myth of "free market", which isn't free by anymeans.
I studied for many years to become an engineer. My first job paid well but required extreme suffering, some days I worked 24 hours. I once worked 34 days in a row. Oddly the money I received did not make me happy, I felt worse than ever. Having what we need and having control over our time is worth much more, I'm glad I'm free.
@@David-eu1ms Exactly. Carrot on the stick; you're always chasin', but you'll never be able to rest until d34th arrives. And never forget that EVERYONE gets replaced. Everyone. GL replaced himself with KK, Walt Disney had to give things to Eisner, Rodenberry's legacy is Paramount's now, and Cameron had to hand over "The Terminator" (etc.).
@@edeliteedelite1961 Chasing happiness will allow you to experience higher highs but also comes with lower lows. I like roller coasters but I wouldn't want to ride one everyday
Human touch, hugs, is something I think about as part of my connection with my fellow humans and is very important to my happiness. That's why dogs are very important to lonely people. They give you the connection of Love, touch, playful connection, positive communication and visual pleasure for the senses. You can get it from a human and you can get it from a dog! Music, dancing, movement or exercise, being in the moment being in touch with your inner self, being out in nature you can see the sun the trees the hotness or the coldness of the weather all are inexpensive or free pleasures.
@@Einzelgänger Meh, I'm very very lonely, but I dont like dogs for that. I want to be left alone. I prefer cats for this very reason, and I do not like when my cats wants attention badly. :D I want the attention on myself
@@Einzelgänger Meh, I'm very very lonely, but I dont like dogs for that. I want to be left alone. I prefer cats for this very reason, and I do not like when my cats wants attention badly. :D I want the attention on myself
I like Epicurus' focus on a rational approach to accepting minor pain (discomfort) today for a greater pleasure tomorrow. This type of decision making can lead to a life that maximizes pleasure while minimizing discomfort and annoyance. I hope this is a good description of Epicurean philosophy, it may just be my interpretation.
i agree but its so hard to find the middle, i ate cake yesterday, but today there is a sale on indian food i have been wanting to try for a long time, oh today i want to eat some fall cookies with a psl, tomorrow my bf made morning pancakes. to which one should i have said no?
“There is only one inborn error, and that is the notion that we exist in order to be happy... So long as we persist in this inborn error... the world seems to us full of contradictions. For at every step, in things great and small, we are bound to experience that the world and life are certainly not arranged for the purpose of maintaining a happy existence... hence the countenances of almost all elderly persons wear the expression of what is called disappointment” -Arthur Schopenhauer
I recently been turning my life around, stopped paying every week and just been focused on what makes me truly happy. Museums, gym, going out to eat by myself, movie theater, and reading at home. No longer chasing the high life or women in toxic places like bars
It really comes down to individual personality type. If youre inclined towards addiction you have to manage your pleasurable activities carefully or just abstain. Abstaining can be easier sometimes. Then there are the puritan types who are addicted to abstinence which can lead to other problems, sometimes really serious. Its all about balance.
Avoiding pain does not necessarily equal pleasure, but sometimes it's equals more pain, also I think pain is a better and stronger motivation to move forward than pleasure.
I've been skipping your videos (I stopped to see your videos.) because I took a break from philosophy and enjoyed life, but from now on I am returning to my existence, my life, my wisdom and my philosophical side. Your recent videos are gonna be watched by me😁👍🏻.
Truth is: We're all hedonists. It's just that what our brains have associated with pleasure and pain differs. Even the religious are hedonists, when one considers their dream of eternal heavenly life equals infinite pleasure.
Neither asceticism, nor hedonism is the answer. It's obvious from the lived experience, that the only meaningful pleasure is the one that's earned. What can be better than having a cold beer at the end of the hard physical work day? Or a party with friends after delaying it because you had to study? The answer is always in the golden center. One or the other side will never satisfy.
Spiritual healing, opening enrergy channels, awakning kundlini, breathing exercises, meditation is true ultimate bodily pleasure! Cars, villas, girls, partys r not necessary and secondary pleasures! Life long journey without any illness is ultimate pleasue hedonism!!!
Like many ideas today, hedonism has been distilled to mean the opposite, or at least highly altered, from its original. Great video, really made me think
Ultimately, Hedonism only advocates for the most pleasurable actions and those of which that are most immediately gratifying or validating. Other pholosophies and beliefs, those of which are most righteous and morally sound, advocate for both suffering and glory. This is becasue to strive in pains and suffering there comes learning and a gratification of triuphance that is deserved and fufilled in the greatest sense. Also, there is the willingness to accept the great things of life, such a love, true beauty, and reverence of life. Yet Hedonics care not for challenge and suffering, utterly disregarding the process of maturity, caring not for widsom, and denying the humility of self.
I am stoic and many people around me are hedonists, it's great to look from their perspective too, to better understand them. I believe pleasure should not be at the cost of others (suffering of others), that's why it is bad, not because we can get caught and need to suffer bad consequences, it is the main limitation of hedonism, otherwise, there is nothing wrong in getting pleasure.
But aren’t you also being hedonistic by becoming a stoic , as hedonism is the search of pleasure and happiness but then being a stoic is also part of that pleasure u seek from not seeking pleasure? U cannot be one without the other. The amount you receive depends on your actions because being stoic is your desire to not feel pain as pain comes with pleasure. So if u seek lack of pleasure you are also seeking the lack of pain which in turns gives u pleasure .
@@houseofdelics I think as stoic I am not choosing to take pleasure not to get pleasure but focus on purpose, because that's right thing to do according to me. I belive for me my freedom is more important than any pleasure, so I don't give in to impulses and pleasure, I think difference between hedonism and stoicism is but obvious. Also stoic don't afraid of pain, they embrace it, as it is necessary to grow
Food, Shelter, Rest, Friendship. To shelter one might add clothes, but that is sort of a form of shelter and not all lives demand it. I would expand rest to a rest-work-play continuum. They can all be pleasurable, plus work and play can be indistinguishable and both can be conducive to relaxation which is at least related to rest.
😮I'm going to say I see this in American society especially. Food "producers" "make" addictive components in "products". I for one, am weaning myself off and see how MY addictive desires fade away.😊😊
Its great that you have covered Hedonism as well, its been years since I developed interest in this philosophy. Also make more videos on this, do cover it from different perspectives as well like Hedonism & the modern world etc
Moderation, soon enough, you don't want any of it. They all come with consequences. Try to control the consequences. Good luck, and remember, don't be a jerk.
When things get too complicated for me as a human, I desire to be an animal. Food and shelter. And then I get the food and realize I am human because I derive great pleasure from it as opposed to simple sustenance. I am not a full time practitioner of hedonism but I do buy into its validity.
Personally I do believe that a bit of hedonism and pleasure can't really harm yourself or anyone cause a life completely devoid of simple pleasures (like appreciating the beauty of nature) or having fun is no better a life with not enough seriousness, but modern society especially in the west is way too hooked up on hedonism & short-term pleasures especially as a means of coping with it's toxic work-culture and global despair over a lack of purpose in their own lives. I mean this to say as that no creature on this planet is nor should be biologically wired to always be happy or seeking pleasure and humans are no different, the need for survival and to be cautious of one's surroundings always comes first and that's why one's need for work & play need to find harmony.
A bit of pleasure is necessary. But I think we need to avoid conflating a little pleasure and a "little" hedonism, because hedonism is prioritizing pleasure in every decision, so hedonism is always unfulfilling long-term.
I believe we should categorize the necessary and unecessary type of pleasure (according to Epicurious). Focusing on inner engineering and utilse our inherent resource wisely and adequately would be better option.
Oh my god! I have been saying to people for my whole life about seeing external things and was always using the color example like this video did! No one ever understood what I am talking about and now I hear the exact same example for the first time in my life! This universe really is a madness and chaotic and coincidences do not exist!
I grew up as a preacher’s child in a strict household environment. Everything was considered sinful and that is partly why I developed mental health problems. Everyone needs a healthy balance of pleasure and self discipline. We forget that God created pleasures like sex, food, music, laughter, fun, etc. But the Bible also tells us that there is a time and place for everything. Healthy balance is key
Our pleasure drive isn't really concerned about our happiness, but rather it's responding to our metabolic functions. Whenever our basal metabolic rate and flexibility are optimal, we feel pleasure as a result. This is even ture whenever we look at an optimal morning routines will optimize our dopamine reserve. However this requires us to first work for our dopamine through vigorous and intense exercise, not the other way around through hedonistic overindulgence.
I had to leave my excellent paying but soul sucking job. I couldn't continue by sacrificing my mental and physical health. I never strived for too much ambitious desires but simple pleasures of eating, sleeping and reading
Epicurean Hedonism is the solution for that :). Epicurus excluded sex from the recommended pleasures as he didn't view it as a necessary pleasure for happiness.
Hedonism... the thing you forget about one second after you put it into practice. I have consumed alcohol, made love and ate good food, but now it is as if I had never ever had those things ( except that I`m alive since I ate the food ... but still, could have been less tasty and still I would have been alive). Off all the things to do, having fun seems the least fun over all... it all goes away AND makes you feel drained afterwards.
I’m more inclined with living an easy pleasurable life, however pleasure can lead people to greed, lust and gluttony which are the most despicable characteristics. Greedy people praise hard work as a virtue and virtuous people work for them to death. The only hard work in life should ever be put towards your health and well being, not for enriching companies. Pleasure and work in moderation
Yes, addiction has many aspects and forms! I am older nowadays. I have been exposed to many aspects of perceptions and prejudices in the circus of facades where truthfulness is unwelcome until denial as a cure becomes impossible! The artfulness of GAMES psychological psychopathic narcissistic manipulating abuses on many levels never-ending! Prayers for generations past, present, and future!
Hedonists sill live in the contemporany philoposhy mainly as a theory of well being, a theory about what is nom instrumentaly goog for a person, live (and importante) hedonists alive are Roger Crisp, Fred Feldman and David Katz.
Simple, If the pleasure is detrimental to one's survival or future then it is bad. For example, back then, killing a lot of animals or plants for pleasure is acceptable but we have learned it is detrimental to humans and we humans have outlawed most of this activity. Alternatively, too much of a good thing also detrimental like too much eating, sleeping
Love Epicureanism. It is by far the way for me. Providing for my own desires is far more satisfying and true than relying on an imaginary being to rescue me. Now if I can just get to a Diogenes level of minimalism.
Just take anyone, regardless of cultural background, gender or upbringing, who constantly goes from pleasure to pleasure, be it sex, new followers on social media, consumerist travel, fancy brunches, money, and you'll if you look past the surface that they're deeply unhappy and they're only trying to numb their feelings of emptiness and meaninglessness just as someone who tries to postpone a hangover by continuing to drink. Confront the pain of emptiness now before it catches up to you further down the line - you'll be glad you did. As human beings we all have a degree of emptiness built in, it's what keeps us striving for deeper meaning and healthier values and relationships in life, be it with possessions, other people, and with ourselves.
I think we are in dire need of disambiguation between fun, pleasure, addiction, evil, and recreation as rest and enrichment. See 5 people all playing slot machines in the casino. Even as they pull the levers simultaneously, they are all doing 5 different things. The first is amusing himself with some spare change leftover from the day, the second is desperately chasing diminishing endorphin hits, the third is trying to win big with money made from selling his food stamps, the fourth is enjoying his weekly gambling budget knowing its never coming back, and the fifth is playing slots for the first time in his life, enjoying experiencing a culture new to him not common in his home town.
If pleasure is the highest goal. Then we need to define what is most pleasurable. What is the best experience? What is the pinacle of being and experiencing ? The maximum capacity of being present in the moment, merging in to the moment, dissolving your self perception. Union with god is the highest pleasure.
God is unique , the one before duality. Positive experience and negative experience are dual concepts. The tranquility, serenity, nirvana, peace is unique with no opposite. There is only the distraction of it in positive and negative experience.
It takes courage to be nobody, to fade into the shadows; whilst letting those unaware souls chase the carrot on the stick; knowing it's a matter of fate if they ever stop chasing it.
Suppose we put this theory to practice and after having weeks of partying and debauchery we find ourselves shaking our fists at reality for having to produce in order to consume. This philosophy can only work for those that have high time preference or the means that are required to facilitate such a lifestyle. It may have worked to the degree that it did in some very small polis of like-minded hedonists, good luck to all who may decide to travel this path.
Happyness is fleeting and satisfaction lasting. We might die tomorrow so should seek some happiness today. But we will probably still be alive in a decade and would be unhappy and unsatisfied if we had focused on happiness for the past 3650 days
To live is to come to this realm to create and experience the physical world. But with the pleasures comes the pain. If we want extreme pleasure we will suffer extreme suffering. It all has to balance itself out. How much pain u can take will lead to how much pleasure you receive. But even after we do this and we die and go back to the other realms we get bored of those realms and we decide to come back to the physical world again and so a never ending cycle until we become One again and once we do then it starts all over. It really gets kinda boring if u think about it. It’s fun for a moment but then gets boring again endless cycles of all existence.
I agree with how the vain desires are naturally bad. they cannot be satisfied and you will always need more. but the natural neseccary desires fall into the minamilist point of view. its all we need in life. food, water, shelter, friends
The best forms of Pleasure comes from pain. Intense exercise creates endorphins. Vulnerability in relationships create unconditional love, acceptance and security. Reading is more satisfying than mindfulness television.
Drugs and alcohol are dangerous pleasures. We all know that. Food, sex and parties can also lead us into dangerous and harmful situations. Greed. Money. Finding the middle ground is not easy.
Hedonism = addiction. Can be fun in the beginning and it’s hard to see the harm until the addiction takes over. Drug addictions, sex addiction, whatever. It all reduces human enrichment.
Hedonism is not addiction. What is generally meant when referring to hedonism tends to LEAD to addiction. But the Epicurean kind (and maybe others) when done right is maybe one of the best guards AGAINST addiction.
Since you mention Ring of Gyges what could explain more than the writings of Sir JRR Tolkien Lord of the Rings as it portrayed the Hedonism very effectively.
Oh no... off course if you just persue your hedonistics desires without planing you can´t constroy a normal adult life, but is not what hedonism implies.
Modern society's absolute obsession with short term pleasure and mistaking it for happiness is catastrophic to the psyche of a human. Moving from being somewhat a disciplinary society to an entirely achievement society has us chasing pleasure like it's the end all be all. In addition, Neo-liberal capitalism has in essence managed to turn almost everything normally associated with pleasure into a profit driven business, including food, dating, romantic love, sex, etc. under the myth of "free market", which isn't free by anymeans.
I agree with you
Facts.
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Yup, money seems to change motives in ways that are confusing to the self within, sometimes willingly other times unaware.
Top comment for sure
I studied for many years to become an engineer. My first job paid well but required extreme suffering, some days I worked 24 hours. I once worked 34 days in a row. Oddly the money I received did not make me happy, I felt worse than ever. Having what we need and having control over our time is worth much more, I'm glad I'm free.
What did you end up doing
I couldn't agree more.. time is wealth, if one knows how to spend it well :) I wish more people could experience this
If you're infinitely wealthy, you can do whatever you wish with your time. Be rich. That way, you win--at everything, too. ;)
When I was working full time, somehow I just barely managed to get by.
@@David-eu1ms Exactly. Carrot on the stick; you're always chasin', but you'll never be able to rest until d34th arrives. And never forget that EVERYONE gets replaced. Everyone. GL replaced himself with KK, Walt Disney had to give things to Eisner, Rodenberry's legacy is Paramount's now, and Cameron had to hand over "The Terminator" (etc.).
Maintaining a low baseline for contentment is what I strive for, simple pleasures
Yep, my approach as well.
Sounds like the Epicurean path, wouldn't you say?
Why?
@@edeliteedelite1961 Chasing happiness will allow you to experience higher highs but also comes with lower lows. I like roller coasters but I wouldn't want to ride one everyday
@@rogerm3708 I do.
Human touch, hugs, is something I think about as part of my connection with my fellow humans and is very important to my happiness. That's why dogs are very important to lonely people. They give you the connection of Love, touch, playful connection, positive communication and visual pleasure for the senses. You can get it from a human and you can get it from a dog!
Music, dancing, movement or exercise, being in the moment being in touch with your inner self, being out in nature you can see the sun the trees the hotness or the coldness of the weather all are inexpensive or free pleasures.
Agreed about dogs. And they're always happy to see you.
@@Einzelgänger Meh, I'm very very lonely, but I dont like dogs for that. I want to be left alone. I prefer cats for this very reason, and I do not like when my cats wants attention badly. :D I want the attention on myself
@@Einzelgänger Meh, I'm very very lonely, but I dont like dogs for that. I want to be left alone. I prefer cats for this very reason, and I do not like when my cats wants attention badly. :D I want the attention on myself
@@svenstefansson4022 So you feel lonely, but you want to be left alone. Isn't that contradictory?
@@the_notorious_bas I want to be left alone because majority of humanity are semi intelligent apes
I like Epicurus' focus on a rational approach to accepting minor pain (discomfort) today for a greater pleasure tomorrow. This type of decision making can lead to a life that maximizes pleasure while minimizing discomfort and annoyance. I hope this is a good description of Epicurean philosophy, it may just be my interpretation.
Balance. It's amusing we still try to classify things as black or white. Truth is always in between.
“Truth is always in between” is in itself a black and white statement xD
I disagree.
Would the middle path of Buddhism qualify? How about moderate hedonism advocated by Epicurus?
i agree but its so hard to find the middle, i ate cake yesterday, but today there is a sale on indian food i have been wanting to try for a long time, oh today i want to eat some fall cookies with a psl, tomorrow my bf made morning pancakes. to which one should i have said no?
"Truth is always in between" god told you this personally or it's just a sentence that sounds deep and profound and true?
“There is only one inborn error, and that is the notion that we exist in order to be happy... So long as we persist in this inborn error... the world seems to us full of contradictions. For at every step, in things great and small, we are bound to experience that the world and life are certainly not arranged for the purpose of maintaining a happy existence... hence the countenances of almost all elderly persons wear the expression of what is called disappointment”
-Arthur Schopenhauer
He was literally disappoint.
I recently been turning my life around, stopped paying every week and just been focused on what makes me truly happy. Museums, gym, going out to eat by myself, movie theater, and reading at home. No longer chasing the high life or women in toxic places like bars
It really comes down to individual personality type. If youre inclined towards addiction you have to manage your pleasurable activities carefully or just abstain. Abstaining can be easier sometimes. Then there are the puritan types who are addicted to abstinence which can lead to other problems, sometimes really serious. Its all about balance.
Puritans are "addicted" to the virtue signalling of purity
everyone thinks they are not the “weak” addictied type 😂
No such thing as addiction to abstinence in my opinion, it is blissful to deny your lower aspects’ desires to become enlightened and liberated
Thanks for still making these.
Loved the deep dive here! Your videos are always inspiring and thought provoking. Keep it up 😊
Thank you! I enjoy these deep dives the most, so I'll publish more.
Avoiding pain does not necessarily equal pleasure, but sometimes it's equals more pain, also I think pain is a better and stronger motivation to move forward than pleasure.
God doesn’t want us to feel pain the world is full of love ❤️ choose love
This is my favorite philosophy channel
I've been skipping your videos (I stopped to see your videos.) because I took a break from philosophy and enjoyed life, but from now on I am returning to my existence, my life, my wisdom and my philosophical side. Your recent videos are gonna be watched by me😁👍🏻.
Truth is: We're all hedonists. It's just that what our brains have associated with pleasure and pain differs.
Even the religious are hedonists, when one considers their dream of eternal heavenly life equals infinite pleasure.
Absolutely. It just depends on whether we choose destructive Hedonism or constructive Hedonism.
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@@jadedpaladin6685 Nonsense. Hedonism implies overindulgence (of sensory pleaures). "constructive hedonism" is oxymoron. .
@Candor - your statement is nonsense. Result of failure to properly understand meaning of hedonism.
@@now591 Project your own ignorance some more like half the uneducated comments on this video. Define hedonism and I'll tell you why you're wrong
Neither asceticism, nor hedonism is the answer. It's obvious from the lived experience, that the only meaningful pleasure is the one that's earned. What can be better than having a cold beer at the end of the hard physical work day? Or a party with friends after delaying it because you had to study? The answer is always in the golden center. One or the other side will never satisfy.
Lao Tzu winks
There's no such thing as 'the answer'.
@@the_notorious_bas universal? no. Personal? definitely
@@anon9689 I hear you, but even on a personal level this 'answer' can change over time.
I think you both have good points
Softcore Hedonism is good. It means that you enjoy the simple things in life.
Spiritual healing, opening enrergy channels, awakning kundlini, breathing exercises, meditation is true ultimate bodily pleasure! Cars, villas, girls, partys r not necessary and secondary pleasures! Life long journey without any illness is ultimate pleasue hedonism!!!
This is very common today. As time goes, most people become more convinced that pleasure is the only sensible thing worth of pursuing
We can only hope it becomes more and more common until it destroys civilization and then the homo sapiens.
Pleasure is fleeting, there are no ends in pleasure only seeking
Neither is there an end in the universe. Pleasure and lust is why you exist in the first place
if you go ham on hedonism you end up like diddy
😂😂😂😂
Good one
Diddyinsm
Like many ideas today, hedonism has been distilled to mean the opposite, or at least highly altered, from its original. Great video, really made me think
Ultimately, Hedonism only advocates for the most pleasurable actions and those of which that are most immediately gratifying or validating. Other pholosophies and beliefs, those of which are most righteous and morally sound, advocate for both suffering and glory. This is becasue to strive in pains and suffering there comes learning and a gratification of triuphance that is deserved and fufilled in the greatest sense. Also, there is the willingness to accept the great things of life, such a love, true beauty, and reverence of life. Yet Hedonics care not for challenge and suffering, utterly disregarding the process of maturity, caring not for widsom, and denying the humility of self.
I am stoic and many people around me are hedonists, it's great to look from their perspective too, to better understand them.
I believe pleasure should not be at the cost of others (suffering of others), that's why it is bad, not because we can get caught and need to suffer bad consequences, it is the main limitation of hedonism, otherwise, there is nothing wrong in getting pleasure.
But aren’t you also being hedonistic by becoming a stoic , as hedonism is the search of pleasure and happiness but then being a stoic is also part of that pleasure u seek from not seeking pleasure? U cannot be one without the other. The amount you receive depends on your actions because being stoic is your desire to not feel pain as pain comes with pleasure. So if u seek lack of pleasure you are also seeking the lack of pain which in turns gives u pleasure .
@@houseofdelics I think as stoic I am not choosing to take pleasure not to get pleasure but focus on purpose, because that's right thing to do according to me. I belive for me my freedom is more important than any pleasure, so I don't give in to impulses and pleasure, I think difference between hedonism and stoicism is but obvious.
Also stoic don't afraid of pain, they embrace it, as it is necessary to grow
Food, Shelter, Rest, Friendship. To shelter one might add clothes, but that is sort of a form of shelter and not all lives demand it. I would expand rest to a rest-work-play continuum. They can all be pleasurable, plus work and play can be indistinguishable and both can be conducive to relaxation which is at least related to rest.
Enzelganger please do more videos on the 7 deadly sins. Love your work.
😮I'm going to say I see this in American society especially. Food "producers" "make" addictive components in "products". I for one, am weaning myself off and see how MY addictive desires fade away.😊😊
Its great that you have covered Hedonism as well, its been years since I developed interest in this philosophy.
Also make more videos on this, do cover it from different perspectives as well like Hedonism & the modern world etc
Moderation, soon enough, you don't want any of it. They all come with consequences. Try to control the consequences. Good luck, and remember, don't be a jerk.
As always into the point! ❤ Geweldig
@Einzelgänger you helped me a lot during the pandemic, thank you.
All this depends on your childhood. Great video 👍
9:42 Have had this thought many times in my life
"When you explore pleasure to its ultimate limit, the only thing you can get a kick out of is pain."
Alan Watts.
When things get too complicated for me as a human, I desire to be an animal. Food and shelter. And then I get the food and realize I am human because I derive great pleasure from it as opposed to simple sustenance. I am not a full time practitioner of hedonism but I do buy into its validity.
Personally I do believe that a bit of hedonism and pleasure can't really harm yourself or anyone cause a life completely devoid of simple pleasures (like appreciating the beauty of nature) or having fun is no better a life with not enough seriousness, but modern society especially in the west is way too hooked up on hedonism & short-term pleasures especially as a means of coping with it's toxic work-culture and global despair over a lack of purpose in their own lives. I mean this to say as that no creature on this planet is nor should be biologically wired to always be happy or seeking pleasure and humans are no different, the need for survival and to be cautious of one's surroundings always comes first and that's why one's need for work & play need to find harmony.
Pleasures that give quick dopamine hits without any effort are the problem. Not pleasure itself.
A bit of pleasure is necessary. But I think we need to avoid conflating a little pleasure and a "little" hedonism, because hedonism is prioritizing pleasure in every decision, so hedonism is always unfulfilling long-term.
I believe we should categorize the necessary and unecessary type of pleasure (according to Epicurious).
Focusing on inner engineering and utilse our inherent resource wisely and adequately would be better option.
Oh my god! I have been saying to people for my whole life about seeing external things and was always using the color example like this video did! No one ever understood what I am talking about and now I hear the exact same example for the first time in my life! This universe really is a madness and chaotic and coincidences do not exist!
Where do you get these amazing historic pictures/art? I 💓 them so much!
I grew up as a preacher’s child in a strict household environment. Everything was considered sinful and that is partly why I developed mental health problems. Everyone needs a healthy balance of pleasure and self discipline. We forget that God created pleasures like sex, food, music, laughter, fun, etc. But the Bible also tells us that there is a time and place for everything. Healthy balance is key
Worship God "not out of duty, but out of delight" ... that makes SO much sense!
Our pleasure drive isn't really concerned about our happiness, but rather it's responding to our metabolic functions. Whenever our basal metabolic rate and flexibility are optimal, we feel pleasure as a result. This is even ture whenever we look at an optimal morning routines will optimize our dopamine reserve. However this requires us to first work for our dopamine through vigorous and intense exercise, not the other way around through hedonistic overindulgence.
Hedonism can also be just staying home and chasing pleasure on the computer, whether that be video games or watching movies 24/7
I had to leave my excellent paying but soul sucking job. I couldn't continue by sacrificing my mental and physical health. I never strived for too much ambitious desires but simple pleasures of eating, sleeping and reading
This really gives a different perspective. Thanks.
Only Stoicism can destroy Hedonism.😊❤
what is the need?
Stoicism is too practical and grounded in my opinion. I prefer Neoplatonism
Interesting video, a lot for me to think about.
It’s a great philosophy, problem is most of us can’t get any sex regularly so it doesn’t work 😂
Epicurean Hedonism is the solution for that :). Epicurus excluded sex from the recommended pleasures as he didn't view it as a necessary pleasure for happiness.
@@Einzelgänger That's not a "solution", it's just an opinion based on self-deception.
@@Einzelgänger why friendship is necessery but not sex?
@@joaovcitor4133 It's the other way around.
Epicur was coping hard 😅
There’s no rules to life. Live as you please, just don’t hurt others.
“do not hurt others” is a rule
@@bimrebeats No, it’s a recommendation
This is the biggest bullshit men ever said
@@mohamadeliwa8526 explain
sounds like social media and youtube.
I'm getting the book you suggested. Love your content!
That is a very nice thumbnail
Thanks!! :)
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Hedonism... the thing you forget about one second after you put it into practice.
I have consumed alcohol, made love and ate good food, but now it is as if I had never ever had those things ( except that I`m alive since I ate the food ... but still, could have been less tasty and still I would have been alive). Off all the things to do, having fun seems the least fun over all... it all goes away AND makes you feel drained afterwards.
You clearly haven't done molly
@@joao3547 What does it matter to you? And do you even know me ? Are you just guessing to feel better? go away
I agree, material pleasures deaden the soul. That’s why I choose abstinence
Everyone longs to seek Pleasure and Joy.
True. If you seek a life devoid of earthly pleasures, you seek the prideful pleasure of good self esteem and a possibility of pleasures in paradise.
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I’m more inclined with living an easy pleasurable life, however pleasure can lead people to greed, lust and gluttony which are the most despicable characteristics.
Greedy people praise hard work as a virtue and virtuous people work for them to death.
The only hard work in life should ever be put towards your health and well being, not for enriching companies.
Pleasure and work in moderation
Yes, addiction has many aspects and forms! I am older nowadays. I have been exposed to many aspects of perceptions and prejudices in the circus of facades where truthfulness is unwelcome until denial as a cure becomes impossible! The artfulness of GAMES psychological psychopathic narcissistic manipulating abuses on many levels never-ending! Prayers for generations past, present, and future!
I hope you can make a video about addictions as well
Hedonists sill live in the contemporany philoposhy mainly as a theory of well being, a theory about what is nom instrumentaly goog for a person, live (and importante) hedonists alive are Roger Crisp, Fred Feldman and David Katz.
Simple, If the pleasure is detrimental to one's survival or future then it is bad. For example, back then, killing a lot of animals or plants for pleasure is acceptable but we have learned it is detrimental to humans and we humans have outlawed most of this activity.
Alternatively, too much of a good thing also detrimental like too much eating, sleeping
My Trinity for this physical world is mind body and fun in equal balance
From a Jungian perspective, I propose that Hedonists are mainly extraverted sensors and the people that they influence.
Yup - they have no inner life and so they are always looking for external stimuli to 'entertain' them, superficial and banal people.
pleasure helps you suffer less.
Love Epicureanism. It is by far the way for me. Providing for my own desires is far more satisfying and true than relying on an imaginary being to rescue me. Now if I can just get to a Diogenes level of minimalism.
THE WORLD NEEDS MORE HEDONISTS
Thank you for posting!
Great video 👍
Just take anyone, regardless of cultural background, gender or upbringing, who constantly goes from pleasure to pleasure, be it sex, new followers on social media, consumerist travel, fancy brunches, money, and you'll if you look past the surface that they're deeply unhappy and they're only trying to numb their feelings of emptiness and meaninglessness just as someone who tries to postpone a hangover by continuing to drink.
Confront the pain of emptiness now before it catches up to you further down the line - you'll be glad you did. As human beings we all have a degree of emptiness built in, it's what keeps us striving for deeper meaning and healthier values and relationships in life, be it with possessions, other people, and with ourselves.
I think we are in dire need of disambiguation between fun, pleasure, addiction, evil, and recreation as rest and enrichment.
See 5 people all playing slot machines in the casino. Even as they pull the levers simultaneously, they are all doing 5 different things. The first is amusing himself with some spare change leftover from the day, the second is desperately chasing diminishing endorphin hits, the third is trying to win big with money made from selling his food stamps, the fourth is enjoying his weekly gambling budget knowing its never coming back, and the fifth is playing slots for the first time in his life, enjoying experiencing a culture new to him not common in his home town.
If pleasure is the highest goal. Then we need to define what is most pleasurable.
What is the best experience? What is the pinacle of being and experiencing ?
The maximum capacity of being present in the moment, merging in to the moment, dissolving your self perception.
Union with god is the highest pleasure.
God is unique , the one before duality.
Positive experience and negative experience are dual concepts.
The tranquility, serenity, nirvana, peace is unique with no opposite. There is only the distraction of it in positive and negative experience.
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I have found eudaimonism the thing that brings me the most happiness in life
It takes courage to be nobody, to fade into the shadows; whilst letting those unaware souls chase the carrot on the stick; knowing it's a matter of fate if they ever stop chasing it.
Your videos are always a shining example of what quality content should look like. Thank you for your hard work and dedication!🟢👺🔷
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Suppose we put this theory to practice and after having weeks of partying and debauchery we find ourselves shaking our fists at reality for having to produce in order to consume. This philosophy can only work for those that have high time preference or the means that are required to facilitate such a lifestyle. It may have worked to the degree that it did in some very small polis of like-minded hedonists, good luck to all who may decide to travel this path.
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I play a video game that just released an update called “the lotus eaters” lol
Happyness is fleeting and satisfaction lasting. We might die tomorrow so should seek some happiness today. But we will probably still be alive in a decade and would be unhappy and unsatisfied if we had focused on happiness for the past 3650 days
Seems like the main philosophy of alphabet community
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To live is to come to this realm to create and experience the physical world. But with the pleasures comes the pain. If we want extreme pleasure we will suffer extreme suffering. It all has to balance itself out. How much pain u can take will lead to how much pleasure you receive. But even after we do this and we die and go back to the other realms we get bored of those realms and we decide to come back to the physical world again and so a never ending cycle until we become One again and once we do then it starts all over. It really gets kinda boring if u think about it. It’s fun for a moment but then gets boring again endless cycles of all existence.
Informative as always.
Interesting concept... to entwined with systemic drama and dogma! Kiss!
I agree with how the vain desires are naturally bad. they cannot be satisfied and you will always need more. but the natural neseccary desires fall into the minamilist point of view. its all we need in life. food, water, shelter, friends
No shawnshank analysis video? No Longer Human analysis?!
The best forms of Pleasure comes from pain. Intense exercise creates endorphins. Vulnerability in relationships create unconditional love, acceptance and security. Reading is more satisfying than mindfulness television.
The results of something can be a way to gauge its value. The results in this modern world are plain to see.
It is pleasure to watch your video❤
10:43 Those dogs were real scary tho
this video’s take really clicks with some of the things I've been reading in unveiling your hidden potential by bruce thornwood
Drugs and alcohol are dangerous pleasures. We all know that. Food, sex and parties can also lead us into dangerous and harmful situations. Greed. Money. Finding the middle ground is not easy.
Finding the middle ground of pleasure let's you live a long, dull, pointless life in civilization and not much more.
Wow, amazing video, thank you
Hedonism = addiction. Can be fun in the beginning and it’s hard to see the harm until the addiction takes over. Drug addictions, sex addiction, whatever. It all reduces human enrichment.
Hedonism is not addiction. What is generally meant when referring to hedonism tends to LEAD to addiction. But the Epicurean kind (and maybe others) when done right is maybe one of the best guards AGAINST addiction.
@@urganodevotatonI see your point and insight. Going through the pain and loss of addiction has brought me to a place of gratefulness.
Since you mention Ring of Gyges what could explain more than the writings of Sir JRR Tolkien Lord of the Rings as it portrayed the Hedonism very effectively.
The most natural philosophy developed as a child but something that cant be sustained in adulthood
Oh no... off course if you just persue your hedonistics desires without planing you can´t constroy a normal adult life, but is not what hedonism implies.
And what "philosophy" is that?
Thanks a lot for your work!
What are the pictures at 12:15 and 12:24?