The constitution is fine, it is parents who have refused to take responsibility over their children. You cant blame the law, foreigners, government, Politicians, police all the time.
@@jameskillu9171The constitution is not fine it protects criminals and prolonges the deliverance of justice we have murderers making bail for R600 and gang leaders walking the streets because their Court dates are set months & years after their crimes.
The government has recently passed a law that empowers girls from 12 to terminate pregnancy without even consulting parents. This is an indirect courage to engage in sexual activities
Obviously, a 12 year old is not going to walk in a clinic and ask for abortion. They won't even understand they are pregnant or even what is going on her body.
Statutory rape is only "statutory" when it gains media traction in South Africa. The sad reality is this is only one of hundreds if not thousands of cases in our society. South African law is just as enabling because why is the consent right so low to begin with? This boy most probably went on this "after 12 is lunch" sick mentality.
Society shouldn't be blamed but blame all this too much (rights) that are abused by these kids. When you reprimand a child as an adult, they will tell you where to get off and its societal norm to remain silent and mind your own business.
I think u meant reprimand not ridicule. Because ridiculing a child you're pulling her down, breaking down their spirits. When reprimanding is when you guide them putting them in line.
@Blessed_for_life_2023 thanks for correcting my error, indeed English was twisted, there must have been some loadshedding on my typing..... Sometimes English rebels.
Well done to the analysts. Their responses were not fuelled by mere rhetoric but they took time to think and provide deep interpretations. This is what modern age news requires 🤝🏿
Dont forget the "50 year olds" that sleep with 15 year old's. We have old man casually dating teenagers...I am surprised there's never been a noise about that..
There's something seriously wrong with our justice system. We fail to prosecute rapists and molesters of all ages, even murderers. Yet we want to prosecute a 17year old who was under the impression that they are dating. Shouldn't we be looking into the issue of children wanting to do adult things before they're even mature enough to comprehend what they are doing? Shouldn't we look into these households?
@@sigamaanthony5550 Let’s say they do this while parents are at work. The day a child is pregnant parents to should question their daughter and if the person who has impregnated their child is older than her, they must go open a case🤷🏾♀️ if they don’t then they’re the part of the problem.
This is a true picture you painted DrJiyane . We are living in a sick society the society which is guided by ills created which so called colonized education which itself not educating its citizens. So we are trying to forced moral standards in a moral decayed society. We have a big problem on our hands as a nation and unless we approach it and face it hands on then we are doomed as a society and we need to challenge our own existence. Thank you both of you Dr Jiyane and Mr Zikalala, but we are all in a big challenge of ourselves as a nation and as a country
Blaming "colonizers" for bad behaviour and moral decay??????? I don't see pregnancies amongst white kids. How does "colonizers" become the problem? This is a "culture" issue. Parents (both) are responsible for what happens to their kids. Start with cellphones and TV - what are your kids watching!!!!!!!
Some of us (community members) have open community projects that try to prevent and cure early child problems through early intervention. But social development fails to support us with funding to run this program from the grassroots level.
Its ignorance and lack of vigilance. My mom made sure she checked. I remember this time I had used less pads for the month so I didnt ask for extras that month and the next month my mom called me and asked me. How can your child hide her pregnancy under your roof?
How does The Parents not know She is Pregnant at 8 months? Society did not let Her down. Her Parents let Her down. Its Sad that Parents just do not Care. Parents should also be Charged. She barely started Menstruating and then Pregnant. We had Biology in School and we were Teached how The Human Body Works. They Obviously did not just have Sex once. In The Old Days Welfare went to Families and checked up on Children,today it is NON Existant.
I believe they had it once. He probably said they should try it and she fell for it. A female can get pregnant from 1 sexual intercourse, I started menstruation at 9. We don't know if she has parents and I doubt she has a present dad but if she does they let her down 💯 Are you South African? What do you mean by "in the old days welfare went to families..." Like during Apartheid, I don't believe it happened in the black community.
The day the government approved the right to consent of termination of pregnancy from 12years…. Who did they think is impregnating 12years olds?? It’s very rare to find a 12years old being impregnated by another 12years old, that’s if iyenzeka at all. This comment does not include rape victims….
This is more lack of parental care issue and the rights without responsibilities that the government is advocating for. Remember the Enyobeni Tavern case where ±23 kids died? Those were 13/14 year old whose parents acknowledged that they (kids) usually go out to groove regularly.
Nooo the government not the parents thats them they gave these children a freedom if you discipline your child you are a abuser you can go to jail the fault is the useless democracy
The law for children of SA is embarrassing as a parent you don't have a say cause he or she can go to the police station and you will be arrested for correcting or giving your child instruction. They also have phones watching everything. Our kids they need prayers they are out of hands since they've rights.
Wow! South Africa is an amazing place! What a ridiculous thought! We fail to teach our children then send them to jail. The people rip the state of billions of rands and go scot free. Why is it strange that a man falls in love with a woman 5yrs his junior What a mad country we live in
The parents didn't report to the authorities,they're also to blame. Please start the proceedings by the time judgement is handed down the boy will be 18yrs
Zikalala always expert. Well explained obligation. Like if you disclose HIV status as Healthcare worker to other health care worker. You have not undermined the confidentiality. Uyasha nkunzi
Arresting the boy will cause more problems. Now you have a child raising a child, plus a new child being raised without a father. On top of that, you have young man starting his life with a criminal record.
@@KNathi1 Prerequisite means you can make a baby as an unemployed person, so yes you can become a father without a salary. But employment is a REQUIREMENT as a father, how will he buy nappies and other things to raise the child? there's a difference between a father and a sperm donor lol
The ANC government was sleeping for 30 years please please apply the laws of the country all must be arrested n prosecuted even both sides adult there too many grants
Na whole load off bull, patents didnt know your 12 year old child is pregnant you tell me you cant see her body changing so much never!!! They wanna pass the buck on this guy now...they definitely were boyfriend n girlfriend the parents need to be prosecuted here first...im not saying the boy is innocent his a creep she is still a baby herself but she needs to talk now
Guys it's a situation of to 2 under age kids why do we judge this kids while we gave this kids to much rights our government is the one to be blame. Maybe a boy was sexually abused too and learned to have sex or other way round so let's not define unpleasant point of fingers. Remember at east cape 4000 under age kids have kids what are you saying about that
@thulaniradebe9610 - EXACTLY! And government encourages this by handing out baby grants - paying kids to breed what they can't possibly raise. But we had welfare checking door to door and teachers had to report all issues. Now - nothing. Free to do as they please and no reporting by schools and zero punishment for bad parents. "Freedom" without consequences is a recipe for disaster.
This is not going anywhere cause a school gal goes to school pregnant and the mother will be involve when she's in Labour, the teacher will call the gal's mother but the boy is relaxing and his parent. How many teenage pregnancy that went un attended. Remember the mother who was hosting baby shower for her daughter where you involve as a government no, why now in this issue of 12year old mxm
This case does not need anyone to be arrested. Both parents will have to go for counselling and be guided... As long as there is proof that the boy did not force the girl to have sexual intercourse.
How did he get to be in a relationship with a 11years child?? She gave birth at 12years meaning she got pregnant while she was 11years old. What do you mean there’s no need for anyone to be arrested??
@sinazom9010 , I understand the age difference between them. So arresting the boy how is it going to save the situation or make it better? There is now a baby here that will need to be taken care of. The boy needs to understand that he is now a father and he must go to work instead of being arrested.
Carrying on about a result instead of focussing on why this happens. Birth control and education but that is a no-no in the culture. Look at the circumstances of these 2 instead of so much talking but rather what led to it.
I remember a friend of mine her cousin got pregnant at 12 by a 30 something year old man and he never went to prison. And the 12 year olds mom blamed my friend and her sisters
A 17 year old is in grade 12 or 11 what the hell is a grown man doing with a child that's in grade 6 or 5 if she failed yeses if you as a man can't see how easy it is to persuade a young girl, than my guy hai...
@@JustforfridayysNowadays 17 yr olds are in grade 10. Anyways, from experience with female kids within our own family.. these kids are so naughty and stubborn that it is very hard to blame js older male teens or even the parents. So many challenges in tryin to make ends meet for your kids that some things can be missed or sometimes u wonder how will u even look after the new baby.
Assuming she has parents who are literate and even has parents at all and not raised by a grandmother Such issues tend to arise from difficult family situations , where children raise themselves.
Stop. If she gave birth at 12 years, she could have been 11 years old when impregnated. He was way older than her and manipulated a very young child. You and those who liked your post need to go learn about cognitive levels of children at their development phases.
What tf must the kid do? Sit at home and not go to school so she can fall behind? 😂Stupid question, of course she should go to school and take what comes with it, they'll be strong.
Pregnant girls should NOT BE ALLOWED AT SCHOOL!!! Kids think it's "cool" to be pregnant and it encourages more breeding. They must BOTH be suspended until the child is born. So they lose one year. It will teach them and others that life has consequences. It is BECAUSE of this lack of any consequences that we are in this situation in the first place. 😡
Nonsense, same as there is a difference intellectually between a 12 year old and a 7 years old, there is a intellectual difference between 12 and 17 years.
Are you mad? A 12 year year old knows nothing about informed consent. Her brain is not that development to even comprehend the true consequences of sexual activity. The poor child was manipulated and taken advantage of
I was foolish when I was 17. This is not a grown man. I thank God I never anything this stupid... We need counseling for that 12 year old and the 17 year old, then we can look at punishment after.
At 17years you’re doing grade 10 what are you doing dating a 12years old child still in primary?? As foolish as you were did you date children from primary??
This is not going anywhere cause a school gal goes to school pregnant and the mother will be involve when she's in Labour, the teacher will call the gal's mother but the boy is relaxing and his parent. How many teenage pregnancy that went un attended. Remember the mother who was hosting baby shower for her daughter
The government is the one to blame ,w can't parent our children in a gud way, if u try to raise yo voice against wrong them ( children) they interfere and say u abuse them ,😢😢
Doesn’t matter what the child says, it’s the responsibility of the adults to protect children. Wena eyakho ingane uyayibuka iyenze ama decisions a wrong just because that’s what they want? No you don’t, you step in as a parent/adult who knows better. Think of this case like that, the child might be “ok” with it ngoba ebuka ngamehlo engane, but it doesn’t change the fact that she was raped and the perpetrator must be held responsible.
😔😢😭Trans-cultural communication, A. in ancient days it was not a stigma e.g. the Christmas story in December. B. Social development must work with traditional leaders and the church, the SASSA grant is not prize award. C. Virginity is a swear word for this pop culture today Parents have absolved themselves of their responsibilities because the same parents are still also young parents and the biggest problem is if agencies like a church become distant and are irrelevant with the day to day issues, no longer preaching sex before marriage is a sin. A young girl and young boy must be empowered, be educated and not disadvantaged. In West Africa in their culture they are married this young and it's a bigger problem for them they have no solutions to and this resulting into more bigger socioeconomic problems. 🇿🇦The government said they will give right to abort, give condoms in school and educate on different ways of sex like masturbation because the parents and the church are silent.
It takes two to tango. You can't blame the boy when the girl was willing. Now you want him in jail but not her??? This isn't rape - this is bad parents!
If this boy goes to jail.. How will he be a father to this baby, who will provide for this child? Once again we as tax payers will support this child. No this boy and girl needs to find a JOB to provide for their baby. Jail will only harm this boy, he will not learn any good. They need also counseling. Jail is not the answer. Until we have the full story from both sides, than you all can commence, but now, we can only pray for them aswell for this Anc with the Bella law. With this law, more kids will become parents. Parents have no say about their kids. So think again next time when you vote. All who votes for Anc is to blame here. May GOD Almighty bless South Africa. Shalom
Why must the parents or guardians be arrested? It makes no sense, these kids do what they want, no parent teaches their kids to have sex at the age of 12. Umfundisi uzaka isigebengu, wht should the parents be arrested for the actions of the child. Involving the cops will make things worse, some things need the community and the families to deal with them secretly. The 17 year old is also still a child and needs a chance and counseling. No one should be arrested, there is no rape here but two kids did something wrong and the community should help them both.
Unfortunately the very thing that made me stay away from sex (sometimes it has opposite effects)is the sexual abuse by my own father ,girl child , you are on your own
im not taking sides, but being impartial... why is the 17 year old assumed to be guilty over the possibility of him being violated? The court of public opinion has already found him guilty and not looking at all circumstances. But anyways...
In most cases families know and hide these things. They are complicit, this is not right. What is happening to our children, we are doomed as a nation. We should protect our children. Pedophiles are all over our society. Uncles are complicit in this things sometimes. We educate our children to elders, but not any elder and the police. Because some elders can't be trust, they like to sweep things under the carpet.
Mxm Zikalala analysis is baseless, their should get someone... This guy very bias on Senzo Meyiwa court case, is charging turn suddenly, we need analysis that are consistent with the legal system.
I want to know if it was the other way around would we be having this discussion, LAW IN SA IS A JOKE . Lets me guess the 12 year is raised by a single mother
16 is the consenting age legally. What was a 17 year old boy doing with a 12 year old?(probably 11 when she was impregnated)The parents need to be held accountable and so should the boy.
@conceretejungle1150 you missed the part where I said 16 is the legal consenting age...it was illegal, and the boy is going to 18 this year...let's not twist the concepts of boy and girl (which are just gender labels) to suit your own narrative. I'm simply based it on the law.
We have matrics dating grade 8's in high school... Whats the difference between a 13yr old and a 18yr old dating?? If they are both minor's then i don't see why one of them needs to be punished.
The entire South African constitution really needs to be revised and laws should be made stricter throughout. This country is in the pits.
The constitution is fine, it is parents who have refused to take responsibility over their children. You cant blame the law, foreigners, government, Politicians, police all the time.
@@jameskillu9171The constitution is not fine it protects criminals and prolonges the deliverance of justice we have murderers making bail for R600 and gang leaders walking the streets because their Court dates are set months & years after their crimes.
The government has recently passed a law that empowers girls from 12 to terminate pregnancy without even consulting parents. This is an indirect courage to engage in sexual activities
Totally agree with you on this
Educate children about sex from a young age, so they understand what it is about, when they being exploited and the consequences.
Obviously, a 12 year old is not going to walk in a clinic and ask for abortion.
They won't even understand they are pregnant or even what is going on her body.
This is shocking.
Yes but must not be impregnated by an elder
Statutory rape is only "statutory" when it gains media traction in South Africa. The sad reality is this is only one of hundreds if not thousands of cases in our society. South African law is just as enabling because why is the consent right so low to begin with? This boy most probably went on this "after 12 is lunch" sick mentality.
😂😂 I know it's a serious situation but that "after 12..." cracked me up. I've never heard of that.
Society shouldn't be blamed but blame all this too much (rights) that are abused by these kids. When you reprimand a child as an adult, they will tell you where to get off and its societal norm to remain silent and mind your own business.
I think u meant reprimand not ridicule. Because ridiculing a child you're pulling her down, breaking down their spirits. When reprimanding is when you guide them putting them in line.
@Blessed_for_life_2023 thanks for correcting my error, indeed English was twisted, there must have been some loadshedding on my typing..... Sometimes English rebels.
@@ayanda-v9q sure. I thought it was an honest mistake because the tone of your message meant exactly what I thought u meant 🌹
Well done to the analysts. Their responses were not fuelled by mere rhetoric but they took time to think and provide deep interpretations. This is what modern age news requires 🤝🏿
Dont forget the "50 year olds" that sleep with 15 year old's. We have old man casually dating teenagers...I am surprised there's never been a noise about that..
Their parents are allowing it. Government doesn’t stay with y’all’s children🤷🏾♀️
This is a nice gesture to make an example of a 17 year old boy. What about all the cadres who has done the same and was swept under the carpet ?
How can a child be pregnant and the parents say or see nothing?
And not go to the police the moment they found out she was pregnant
Moral decay indeed! Incest might be a case here and that's why family kept it down. Parents need a legal reminder or get arrested😮
This breaks my heart. I hope and pray the parents and family members that knew as well as the 17 year old boy are arrested held accountable.
The boy he's also under age
There's something seriously wrong with our justice system. We fail to prosecute rapists and molesters of all ages, even murderers. Yet we want to prosecute a 17year old who was under the impression that they are dating. Shouldn't we be looking into the issue of children wanting to do adult things before they're even mature enough to comprehend what they are doing? Shouldn't we look into these households?
💯
What a mad country we live in
They even fail to address the issue of drugs fed to our kids,they always look for soft targets
Set an Example,so Communities can be aware Government is serious about the Law.
Government serious about the law,a definate big no
What law? For them to steal
CHILDREN RAISING CHILDREN. PARENTS HAVE TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE .
What would they do in this matter? Because you’d find kids doing this without their knowledge🤷🏾♂️
@sigamaanthony5550 AS A PARENT WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR CHILDREN.
@@sigamaanthony5550 Let’s say they do this while parents are at work. The day a child is pregnant parents to should question their daughter and if the person who has impregnated their child is older than her, they must go open a case🤷🏾♀️ if they don’t then they’re the part of the problem.
@sigamaanthony5550 AS PARENTS WE NEED TO TEACH OUR KIDS ABOUT THE BIRDS AND THE BEES.
This is a true picture you painted DrJiyane . We are living in a sick society the society which is guided by ills created which so called colonized education which itself not educating its citizens.
So we are trying to forced moral standards in a moral decayed society.
We have a big problem on our hands as a nation and unless we approach it and face it hands on then we are doomed as a society and we need to challenge our own existence. Thank you both of you Dr Jiyane and Mr Zikalala, but we are all in a big challenge of ourselves as a nation and as a country
Blaming "colonizers" for bad behaviour and moral decay??????? I don't see pregnancies amongst white kids. How does "colonizers" become the problem? This is a "culture" issue. Parents (both) are responsible for what happens to their kids. Start with cellphones and TV - what are your kids watching!!!!!!!
We stand with the constitutional court.... Anever there must be action done towards this boy....
Don't teach them about sex teach them about God and responsibilities
🔊🔊🔊 Please
Yes, delusion and ignorance will save us all.
The same God who allows our kids to be raped by so called pastors
@@Anya-b5s😂😂
Some of us (community members) have open community projects that try to prevent and cure early child problems through early intervention. But social development fails to support us with funding to run this program from the grassroots level.
Its ignorance and lack of vigilance. My mom made sure she checked. I remember this time I had used less pads for the month so I didnt ask for extras that month and the next month my mom called me and asked me. How can your child hide her pregnancy under your roof?
Parents have been disarmed by the law
How does The Parents not know She is Pregnant at 8 months? Society did not let Her down. Her Parents let Her down. Its Sad that Parents just do not Care. Parents should also be Charged. She barely started Menstruating and then Pregnant. We had Biology in School and we were Teached how The Human Body Works. They Obviously did not just have Sex once. In The Old Days Welfare went to Families and checked up on Children,today it is NON Existant.
I believe they had it once. He probably said they should try it and she fell for it. A female can get pregnant from 1 sexual intercourse, I started menstruation at 9.
We don't know if she has parents and I doubt she has a present dad but if she does they let her down 💯
Are you South African? What do you mean by "in the old days welfare went to families..." Like during Apartheid, I don't believe it happened in the black community.
He must be prosecuted ✊
So must she!!! Both are responsible!
The day the government approved the right to consent of termination of pregnancy from 12years…. Who did they think is impregnating 12years olds?? It’s very rare to find a 12years old being impregnated by another 12years old, that’s if iyenzeka at all.
This comment does not include rape victims….
True ..
This is more lack of parental care issue and the rights without responsibilities that the government is advocating for.
Remember the Enyobeni Tavern case where ±23 kids died? Those were 13/14 year old whose parents acknowledged that they (kids) usually go out to groove regularly.
The parents must be held accountable and be named and shamed
Nooo the government not the parents thats them they gave these children a freedom if you discipline your child you are a abuser you can go to jail the fault is the useless democracy
The law for children of SA is embarrassing as a parent you don't have a say cause he or she can go to the police station and you will be arrested for correcting or giving your child instruction. They also have phones watching everything. Our kids they need prayers they are out of hands since they've rights.
Ubuthuphethu lento oyikhulumayo
Wow! South Africa is an amazing place! What a ridiculous thought! We fail to teach our children then send them to jail. The people rip the state of billions of rands and go scot free.
Why is it strange that a man falls in love with a woman 5yrs his junior
What a mad country we live in
Cliout chasers
The parents didn't report to the authorities,they're also to blame. Please start the proceedings by the time judgement is handed down the boy will be 18yrs
What about the girls teachers? Didn't they notice that she's pregnant? Wow
What difference does it make? Were they going to unpregnate her? The problem is the 17 year old raping a child
Why this one, why now? Every father of any girl underage must be charged, all of them.
Zikalala always expert. Well explained obligation. Like if you disclose HIV status as Healthcare worker to other health care worker. You have not undermined the confidentiality. Uyasha nkunzi
Arresting the boy will cause more problems. Now you have a child raising a child, plus a new child being raised without a father. On top of that, you have young man starting his life with a criminal record.
He won't be a father even if he is not in jail, he is unemployed.
@DanceChallenge_ShowUsYoSkills Employment is not a prerequisite for fatherhood unfortunately.
@@KNathi1 Prerequisite means you can make a baby as an unemployed person, so yes you can become a father without a salary. But employment is a REQUIREMENT as a father, how will he buy nappies and other things to raise the child? there's a difference between a father and a sperm donor lol
The ANC government was sleeping for 30 years please please apply the laws of the country all must be arrested n prosecuted even both sides adult there too many grants
Na whole load off bull, patents didnt know your 12 year old child is pregnant you tell me you cant see her body changing so much never!!! They wanna pass the buck on this guy now...they definitely were boyfriend n girlfriend the parents need to be prosecuted here first...im not saying the boy is innocent his a creep she is still a baby herself but she needs to talk now
Guys it's a situation of to 2 under age kids why do we judge this kids while we gave this kids to much rights our government is the one to be blame. Maybe a boy was sexually abused too and learned to have sex or other way round so let's not define unpleasant point of fingers. Remember at east cape 4000 under age kids have kids what are you saying about that
@thulaniradebe9610 - EXACTLY! And government encourages this by handing out baby grants - paying kids to breed what they can't possibly raise. But we had welfare checking door to door and teachers had to report all issues. Now - nothing. Free to do as they please and no reporting by schools and zero punishment for bad parents. "Freedom" without consequences is a recipe for disaster.
This is not going anywhere cause a school gal goes to school pregnant and the mother will be involve when she's in Labour, the teacher will call the gal's mother but the boy is relaxing and his parent. How many teenage pregnancy that went un attended. Remember the mother who was hosting baby shower for her daughter where you involve as a government no, why now in this issue of 12year old mxm
In KZN its zoeloe land specially in the poor eareas this is common
They are both minors right?
One is above 16 which is the age of consent / allowed to have s3x and not get in trouble with the law. The other is below that age
This case does not need anyone to be arrested. Both parents will have to go for counselling and be guided... As long as there is proof that the boy did not force the girl to have sexual intercourse.
How did he get to be in a relationship with a 11years child?? She gave birth at 12years meaning she got pregnant while she was 11years old. What do you mean there’s no need for anyone to be arrested??
@sinazom9010 , I understand the age difference between them. So arresting the boy how is it going to save the situation or make it better? There is now a baby here that will need to be taken care of.
The boy needs to understand that he is now a father and he must go to work instead of being arrested.
Carrying on about a result instead of focussing on why this happens. Birth control and education but that is a no-no in the culture. Look at the circumstances of these 2 instead of so much talking but rather what led to it.
Deliberate sexual education and the legal implications of engaging in sexual activities must be emphasised at schools and awareness campaigns.
I remember a friend of mine her cousin got pregnant at 12 by a 30 something year old man and he never went to prison. And the 12 year olds mom blamed my friend and her sisters
But a 17 yr old boy is also under age. So two people under legal age consented to sex.
There is a big age difference between 12 and 17 years. Most 17 years would not go anywhere near a 12 year old.
A 17 year old is in grade 12 or 11 what the hell is a grown man doing with a child that's in grade 6 or 5 if she failed yeses if you as a man can't see how easy it is to persuade a young girl, than my guy hai...
So if I'm 18 years and sleep with 17 years it's called stagetary rape and if if I'm 59 and sleep with someone who is 18 years is called what
No ways r u putting a 22 year old and a 17 year old on the same level. No way
@@JustforfridayysNowadays 17 yr olds are in grade 10.
Anyways, from experience with female kids within our own family.. these kids are so naughty and stubborn that it is very hard to blame js older male teens or even the parents.
So many challenges in tryin to make ends meet for your kids that some things can be missed or sometimes u wonder how will u even look after the new baby.
Assuming she has parents who are literate and even has parents at all and not raised by a grandmother
Such issues tend to arise from difficult family situations , where children raise themselves.
True
This girl is just as Guilty,!!!! Not only the father of the child.
How can you hold a 12yr old liable,as her reasoning capacity is so underdeveloped and could be taken much advantage
@PhumezaTolo I have seen 12 year old girls that act and look like an 18 year old.drinking,smoking and the way they dress.!!!!
Stop. If she gave birth at 12 years, she could have been 11 years old when impregnated. He was way older than her and manipulated a very young child. You and those who liked your post need to go learn about cognitive levels of children at their development phases.
Guilty of what? Being taken advantage of by an older person??
@@PhumezaToloSame as a 16 year old boy
What tf must the kid do? Sit at home and not go to school so she can fall behind? 😂Stupid question, of course she should go to school and take what comes with it, they'll be strong.
Pregnant girls should NOT BE ALLOWED AT SCHOOL!!! Kids think it's "cool" to be pregnant and it encourages more breeding. They must BOTH be suspended until the child is born. So they lose one year. It will teach them and others that life has consequences. It is BECAUSE of this lack of any consequences that we are in this situation in the first place. 😡
Both of this Kids are Guilty.. And I believe that they was a consent
Nonsense, same as there is a difference intellectually between a 12 year old and a 7 years old, there is a intellectual difference between 12 and 17 years.
Are you mad? A 12 year year old knows nothing about informed consent. Her brain is not that development to even comprehend the true consequences of sexual activity. The poor child was manipulated and taken advantage of
@@Tinker8531rubbish indeed. These are the people who rape children you see them by their stupid comments
Brain? What schools did you go to? Please use your internet well.
@@Abundantli
@@Tinker8531 Grade 10's regularly date grade 8's in high school... What's the difference between 12 & 13???
sad, our society
It takes everyone to report, including education
I was foolish when I was 17. This is not a grown man. I thank God I never anything this stupid... We need counseling for that 12 year old and the 17 year old, then we can look at punishment after.
At 17years you’re doing grade 10 what are you doing dating a 12years old child still in primary?? As foolish as you were did you date children from primary??
@@sinazom9010 Grade 10's regularly date grade 8's in high school... What's the difference between 12 & 13???
This is not going anywhere cause a school gal goes to school pregnant and the mother will be involve when she's in Labour, the teacher will call the gal's mother but the boy is relaxing and his parent. How many teenage pregnancy that went un attended. Remember the mother who was hosting baby shower for her daughter
There's no issue here , both are children who are misguided. There's no point or benefit in punishing the boy .
12 year old is doing grade 8 and a 17 year old is doing grade 11?😪
12 yr old is in Grd 7, than some 17yr olds are in Grd 10 or Grd 11.
12 year old is grade 7 and 17 year old can be grade 12 ,I was in grade 12 at seventeen my son just turned 17in December and he is going to grade 12
@@Mr.unkoun True that, well some kids are 17yrs ke Grd 11, 18 ko Grd: 12... Like Both my Girls will be 18 in Grd:12...
The government is the one to blame ,w can't parent our children in a gud way, if u try to raise yo voice against wrong them ( children) they interfere and say u abuse them ,😢😢
😂😂😂 you wait and see when the 12 year old says why nicharge umuntu wami? Besijola and sex imnandi kabi sizoyikhulisa ingane yethu
Nje
Absolutely agree
Doesn’t matter what the child says, it’s the responsibility of the adults to protect children. Wena eyakho ingane uyayibuka iyenze ama decisions a wrong just because that’s what they want? No you don’t, you step in as a parent/adult who knows better. Think of this case like that, the child might be “ok” with it ngoba ebuka ngamehlo engane, but it doesn’t change the fact that she was raped and the perpetrator must be held responsible.
She remains a child and needs to be protected
@@rebirthed4674I would like to believe that your child is not a 2k. Read the book of Mark 13 vs 12 it is a sign of end times.
😔😢😭Trans-cultural communication,
A. in ancient days it was not a stigma e.g. the Christmas story in December.
B. Social development must work with traditional leaders and the church, the SASSA grant is not prize award.
C. Virginity is a swear word for this pop culture today
Parents have absolved themselves of their responsibilities because the same parents are still also young parents and the biggest problem is if agencies like a church become distant and are irrelevant with the day to day issues, no longer preaching sex before marriage is a sin.
A young girl and young boy must be empowered, be educated and not disadvantaged.
In West Africa in their culture they are married this young and it's a bigger problem for them they have no solutions to and this resulting into more bigger socioeconomic problems.
🇿🇦The government said they will give right to abort, give condoms in school and educate on different ways of sex like masturbation because the parents and the church are silent.
Let the boy go to jail he's turning 18 this year manipulating a child because you are afraid of your peers is a disgusting act.
It takes two to tango. You can't blame the boy when the girl was willing. Now you want him in jail but not her??? This isn't rape - this is bad parents!
The boy must be arrested. This is definitely stautory rape. He must go straight to jail!
If this boy goes to jail.. How will he be a father to this baby, who will provide for this child? Once again we as tax payers will support this child. No this boy and girl needs to find a JOB to provide for their baby. Jail will only harm this boy, he will not learn any good. They need also counseling. Jail is not the answer. Until we have the full story from both sides, than you all can commence, but now, we can only pray for them aswell for this Anc with the Bella law. With this law, more kids will become parents. Parents have no say about their kids.
So think again next time when you vote. All who votes for Anc is to blame here.
May GOD Almighty bless South Africa. Shalom
@@joe-annkleinhans106he was not going to provide for his kid anyway ,he is a kid himself
Why must the parents or guardians be arrested? It makes no sense, these kids do what they want, no parent teaches their kids to have sex at the age of 12. Umfundisi uzaka isigebengu, wht should the parents be arrested for the actions of the child. Involving the cops will make things worse, some things need the community and the families to deal with them secretly. The 17 year old is also still a child and needs a chance and counseling. No one should be arrested, there is no rape here but two kids did something wrong and the community should help them both.
Unfortunately the very thing that made me stay away from sex (sometimes it has opposite effects)is the sexual abuse by my own father ,girl child , you are on your own
im not taking sides, but being impartial... why is the 17 year old assumed to be guilty over the possibility of him being violated? The court of public opinion has already found him guilty and not looking at all circumstances. But anyways...
Ba satlo utlwa ke bella bill ya cupcake 😢
In most cases families know and hide these things. They are complicit, this is not right. What is happening to our children, we are doomed as a nation. We should protect our children. Pedophiles are all over our society. Uncles are complicit in this things sometimes. We educate our children to elders, but not any elder and the police. Because some elders can't be trust, they like to sweep things under the carpet.
Mxm Zikalala analysis is baseless, their should get someone... This guy very bias on Senzo Meyiwa court case, is charging turn suddenly, we need analysis that are consistent with the legal system.
Teenage pregnancy is encouraged by the society and media. Teenagers want to be featured Moja-Love programs like Teenage pregnancy and Isencane lengane
I want to know if it was the other way around would we be having this discussion, LAW IN SA IS A JOKE . Lets me guess the 12 year is raised by a single mother
The 17 year old will a victim of an always clout chasing givernmrnt
ish... the thumbnails
The parents must be charged first remember this happened between minors😮
16 is the consenting age legally. What was a 17 year old boy doing with a 12 year old?(probably 11 when she was impregnated)The parents need to be held accountable and so should the boy.
@khanyi8512 you said it the boy . meaning a minor a child
@conceretejungle1150 you missed the part where I said 16 is the legal consenting age...it was illegal, and the boy is going to 18 this year...let's not twist the concepts of boy and girl (which are just gender labels) to suit your own narrative. I'm simply based it on the law.
17 and 12 is a huge age gap. 17 year olds have no reason to even look at 13 year old kids in that way
@@khanyi8512 try telling that to a minor
We have matrics dating grade 8's in high school... Whats the difference between a 13yr old and a 18yr old dating??
If they are both minor's then i don't see why one of them needs to be punished.
After 12 is lunch!!!
You should be on a watch list.
Uyagula wena.
Your statement can land you in deep waters if you not careful,maybe you are a perpetrator yourself you need to be visited
Repent and turn to God
After 12 is Funeral 😮
Ngathi Nabo o minister laba belala nezingane..lezi abazi dlwengulayo..ngempela lo zikalala uzo zenza ngcono kuyaqala yini ukumitha ko 12 years
Mbalula wamithisa ingane encane namanje usasiphethe..makuthanda nina niyawyshintsha umthetho rubbish