What I find funnier is that while Mikey's Nunchucks had to go... Leo and Raph were allowed to keep the Swords and Sais that actually cut and stab things. Heck, Nunchucks were just a pair of short sticks tied together, yet Donnie, who had a big, LONG stick for a weapon, wasn't censored either. Does everyone just hate Mikey, or what?!
@@MetroXLR I vaguely recall that it was because of potential for imitation. Children didn't usually have access to swords, so they wouldn't be copying them, but they may well have access to sticks they could use to hit each other with.
It's nice to see someone do a full deep dive into the paranoia caused by Thatcher. The Hillsborough disaster was so prevalent and sickening that Liverpool and the rest of the North still hold massive resentment to the police force to this day. The 97th death happened a few decades after the disaster, and that led leaders to campaign for the Hillsborough law. So thank you for handling the Hillsborough disaster in such a respectful way, Eddie.
The Sun is full of mindless sensationalist crap anyway. Not worth the paper it's printed on. A newspaper with pro-thatcher sentiments would obviously not be too well recieved in the North, even today. She was a good politician, but had some awful views and thoughts.
@@leftysheppey Exactly. She was an awful politician, especially with her attitude to the North. The Miner's Strikes paint that picture very well. She also deregulated buses everywhere outside of London, and only now are Liverpool and Manchester undoing that.
"I actually don't need to see, visually, what I know is in that film" What a completely normal thing to think, censoring content based on a name and description. Screw context
It’s happening now in Florida. The governor is complaining about a class called “Death, Hell, and Capitalism.” A course about Dante Alighieri and Medieval Italy 🤦🏻♀️ but of course he didn’t read the syllabus
The sad thing is that moral panic is still a thing today. It's not just the Ninja Turt-- Uh, I mean... Hero Turtles... But it's also happened with other shows before like SpongeBob (notably when the Parents Television Council went full butthurt mode over the "Sailor Mouth" episode). If some idiot politician or moral guardian has a beef with me over my work, I'd say that it's their problem and not mine, and then tell them to shut the fuck up.
It’s especially stupid the controversy about the Sailor Mouth episode since it was saying cursing is bad. Think about that. Parents, who tend to bitch and moan about cursing, got mad at a show that said it was bad to do. 🤦
In the mid 90s a drain down my street got blocked and the local fire crew come out to help clear it. It turned out to be a pizza box and one of the fireman said to me “those bloody turtles need to put their rubbish in the bin!“ I’ve never forgotten that as I was Turtle mad at the time. 😆
"One of the things about the turtles is that they’re all supposed to be relatable to the point where you feel as if you’ve got a little bit of every one of them in your personality. That’s why they’re so cool, is because you can see little bits of yourself in all of them." - Master Splinter
what I found funny about Mary Whitehouse was that some shows like Doctor Who found her complaints to be quite good as it gave the show more attention. One show in particular The Goodies tried to piss Whitehouse off by basing an entire episode on her, because to her, The Goodies was a clean show that didn't do anything risqué.
@@zarrg5611 yeah, they tried numerous tactics to get her upset with them until they did the Saturday Night Fever episode where Tim wore some pants with a picture of a carrot on the front. 😂
@@menkomonty ah yes, the Tim dancing with underwear that has a carrot on the front while "Staying Alive" is playing scene. 🤣 ....and then he puts on pants that are too tight and ends up with a high-pitched voice that goes deep when Bill zipped his fly down. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is a cautionary tale, and a reminder that trying to appeal to moral crusaders is ultimately a fruitless effort. Sadly, people still haven't learned this lesson.
And sadly people as a whole never will. As evident by our history with the Salem Witch Trials, the Crusades, ritual sacrifices to appease temperamental gods, anti-anything groups who target violence and demand the world live as they do, and so on…
ill say this much, this video made revise my things to do vacation list, so if I ever visit the UK, instead of finding a public restroom ill visit Whitehouses grave and give a good "appeal" for the hatred and Xenophobia her crusade on purity caused.
Mary Whitehouse is one of those people who you really can't believe existed until you read about her. Imagine what she'd think of modern video games or modern movies!
Headlines i imagine must happen in UK Ice Cream Mania leads to 12 dead and 134 injured in Creaming gone wrong. Scourge of driveby rubberbanding caused by unlicensed toddlers given unchecked access to big wheels. Game of Hide and Seek goes horribly wrong; 3 children starved to death, is hide and seek a gateway to death for your children!? Miracle father survived patty cake incident! Out of control infant wudnt stop slappin the poor man while trying to recreate a scene she saw on tv at daycare
By the way, Pigs by Pink Floyd was partially written about Mary Whitehouse, making fun of her for wanting to ban (amongst other things), the movie Lisztomania, an absurdist masterpiece that featured such delightful scenes as the titular 19th century composer riding gigantic phallic objects, and legendary keyboardist Rick Wakeman as a viking pissing on a fireplace.
I hate how they changed Mikeys nunchucks. The whole point is that each of their weapons have deeper meaning in something they need to learn. The difficult to use nunchucks were giving to him to teach him to stay focused as the most talented, but goofiest and most scatterbrained turtle.
TMNT teaches to not judge a book by its cover, do good & do no evil, bad guys don’t win, and there are mutants living in NYC sewers. I don’t see this as a moral panic as an American. These strong messages are a good lesson for a child to grow up with and for Godsakes it is only a fictional TV show.
You can’t really judge the Brits too harshly on this. America had its own string of nonsense paranoia like blaming Elvis’s gyrating for stuff, blaming Marilyn Manson and the Matrix for Columbine, blaming the game Dungeons and Dragons for turning kids crazy, the “Satanic panic” of the 1980s that is so ludicrous I encourage everyone to look it up, and almost anything we slap the word -gate at the end of.
@@TalentCaldwell Yeah exactly! Americans are guilty of that too. Those were great examples with the Matrix & Marilyn Manson for causing Columbine, Heavy Metal being ‘satanic’ leading to someone’s suicide / the evil of society, Elvis, etc. Honestly you hit it on the head. However the reason why I mentioned I was from America was NOT to hate on the Brits. I love British culture, especially their musical entertainment(The Kinks for example) It was to showcase my opinion based on where I grew up, honestly it was most likely a stupid thing to type since at the end of the day we are all people. Sorry if I came across that way, thank you for your perspective. 🙏🏻
This was something I learnt quite recently! A coworker said "Leonardo, Donatello, Michelangelo and Raphael - oh, I guess you're a bit too young to know them right?" I told them it was the Ninja turtles and he laughed and said it was the Hero Turtles for him growing up! I had no idea :o
It amuses me how I am in fact old enough to have seen the Turtles in their original "hero" incarnation... and yet unlike the guy in your story who seemingly grew up and did other things with his life, I am perfectly aware of how TMNT has never really gone away but has maintained a place in pop culture through several reboots. I somehow feel like the guy in your story is living a better life than I am.
I've lived in the UK my whole life and never watched TMNT as it didn't interest me, but I think my brothers watched it sometimes and it was obviously very well known so I was definitely aware of it, but I had absolutely no idea that the name was changed here. I've never once heard someone refer to it as Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles. :/
I think it depends on the version, the original was renamed but most later incarnations went back to Ninja. I'm from the UK as well and grew up with the 2003 version which went back to Ninja.
I can actually feel the psychological effects left over from the video nasty days. It freaked my dad out to such an extent that he blamed my night terrors on the TV I was watching. Now I have a certain amount of anxiety passed on to me whenever my kids watch something slightly unsettling. Thanks Mary
@@esmeecampbell7396 I said night terrors not nightmares. It's caused by overheating. It's very common in young children. It's illogical also to subscribe blame to something without proof.
@@esmeecampbell7396 ok why don't you prove that my night terrors were caused by the TV I watched as a child while I wait till you come up with absolutely no evidence whatsoever.
As a British TMNT and Power Rangers fan kid in the 90s, I am SO glad that my parents were always so cool about not buying into moral panics about any fiction I watched- they just respected that I wasn't dumb enough to get any bad influence from anything I watched. To the point where, as a tiny little kid, whenever I was left in the bath by myself, to make sure that I was safe while she was off doing other things, my Mum would occasionally shout out through the house "Turtle!", to which I would have to yell back: "Power!" in response so she knew I was safe in the water. She'd always come running upstairs to check on me if I didn't hear her. I always felt safe and involved. Good times.
Massive retcon, very annoying, literally nothing really happened with any of it. It did, it just wasn't good. Maybe there'll be something in October, but I expect not.
12:31 GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET
They came here to save the NES. No, seriously, IIRC the TMNT actually helped NES sales in the UK because there was pretty much no game crash over here so the ZX Spectrum and the Master System dominated 80s British gaming, so the NES Ninja Turtles game helped Nintendo sell a few more consoles over here. (18/11/2023 edit:That Surfshark bit sure hits different now with the Online Safety Bill)
It is bizarre hearing UK conservatives going on about free speech and cancel culture these days when it was literally them who heavily advocated for censorship and were constantly passing damning blame onto the entertainment industry way back in the 70s and 80s. It's only free speech to them if it's something they agree with I guess :') excellent video!
Yes , I'm surprised also that it is now the progressive left who are the puritan censors. When I was growing up it was the conservative right who wanted to censor , language, video games, music. Where now its thr progressive left who have incredibly dogmatic rules on what is acceptable for a comedian to say. Imagine how unwelcome Christopher Hitchens, Bill Hicks and George Carlin would be in the modern left. They would be astonished at this turn of events. The self censorship that goes on in the workplace, at university, in entertainment is staggering and all comes from the left. It's really quite something.
These people were right ! Here in France TMNT was not censored and so every kids were killing each others with Katana during recess. i'm one of the only survivors of my school.
Thankfully by the time the TMNT 2003 series started. The turtles were actually allowed to be ninjas and the title stayed the same. Which I find especially funny since that series went dark in some places.
Honestly, comming from latinoamerica I will always be interested in these topics, for the sheer contrast in tolerance for violence even around that time. UK with TMNT: Ninja is to violent of a word, use hero instead LatinA with OG Dragonball: There is a scene were the protagonist uses his attack to shoot himself THROUGH the big bad? Thats f*-king awsome! The kids will love it!
5:58 «Mankind knew they couldn’t change society, so instead of reflecting on themselves, they blamed the beasts. But they found beauty in the lives of beasts, and couldn’t lie to themselves about it.» - Guilty Gear Strive: Smell of the Game
As a proud Liverpudlian, I cannot overstate how thankful I am for your mention of the Hillsborough disaster. You were 100 percent respectful and factual about what happened, which means an awful lot. Similarly, thank you for standing up for trans rights at the end there. We're the current conservative scape goat and it's always nice to see people with a platform standing up to them.
What's most disappointing is to see the BBC itself engage in the trans panic (but they're totally independent of the government you guys, not like Channel 4 which needs to be privatised to -get bought out by- compete with Netflix and Amazon) and that there are gender critical _Labour_ MPs.
@@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234 "P.O.V: You grew up with no father" ...because he's one of the 96, taken from him by police mismanagement when sports fans were the conservative scapegoat? Or is people being crushed to death in a football stadium funny to you?
The only thing i could find from the UK is one dude had some type of japanese sword, someone broke into his house, the homw owner told him to leave, and the assailent WALKED INTO THE SWORD KILLING HIMSELF. So the only person to die from a 'Ninja Weapon' literally was so intoxicated, he didnt realise it would kill him. The only person to actually use such a weapon to kill someone, was half self defense, half happenstance.
Man, I had no idea that a simple and seemingly ridiculous name change for the Ninja Turtles had its roots in moral panics over the content in Movies and Television, and British politics regarding that.
i have slight memory of the turtlemania panic and definitely the ongoing VIOLENCE IN KIDS MEDIA panic, but god that salonella panic hits me so hard because THAT has left long-term issues with me i will never get over. raw egg is poison and i cannot get past that
I had a girl friend at the time from a family my mom used to babysit for, whose moms was from the UK. Which was great, because a lot of American media reached the continent through Britain. By the time the Turtles became a hot commodity here, the merch was already starting to go on sale in the UK, and this woman didn't buy into the moral panic enough to refrain from getting me the occasional gift from across the pond. I did end up calling them Hero Turtles for most of my childhood though.
And this is why the laws around banned weapons in the UK make zero logical sense. It's completely legal for an adult to buy a massive sword, a machete, or a battle axe. But ninja throwing stars, hand & foot spikes, and spikes on a chain are illegal. As if any of those have ever been the weapon of choice for actual criminals 🤣 The majority of knife crime is committed by very basic cheap knives such as kitchen knives, but because of the panic, it's the ninja weapons that are illegal.
If the UK thought that the Ninja Turtles were too "violent", imagine the hysteria that Dragon Ball Z could've caused if the moral panic was still around at that time.
The really strange thing that your video didn’t touch on was how the Hero Turtles edit affected all of the Europe. I mean, it would make sense: the UK is a big market, but they have weird broadcasting regulations, whatever. But the British edit hit most of the European market for some reason. Notably, in Ireland, the show was broadcast before the UK (for some strange reason, Ireland was the first in Europe to broadcast new episodes for most of the show’s original run) and the first season ran, unedited and as they were originally broadcast, under the Ninja Turtles name there. Cut to the following season, and Ireland (like most of Europe) is broadcasting the show under the Hero Turtles banner with all of the British edits. So bizarre.
Sometimes, it feels so weird how easy it is to generate a moral panic. All you need is at least _one_ person going around asking "but what about the children???" and suddenly everyone panics
Plus, British had a valid reasons to place each rating systems in movies. I don’t think they need to censor things. Because of artistic freedom. While it depend’s on everyone’s mental health if they can handle the movies or not. If they can’t handle movies like that. They might have to ignore it.
5:19 It's neither 'adults' nor 'dogs'. He said 'dolts'. Now, I'm not saying this guy is completely right, but the danger posed by stupid people should not be underestimated.
It blows my mind adults thought people where actually running around throwing shurikens as apposed to carrying something more easier to use like literally any other stabbing tool. Where exactly were kids even going to obtain this ninja weaponry to begin?・_・
Thanks for this information! I'm from Belgium, and we also had that change from `Ninja' to 'Hero' Turtles; growing up in the eighties/early nineties, I figured there was some kind of difference in franchises between the two - kind of like 'Ghostbusters' and 'The Real Ghostbusters' - but turns out they were pretty much the same thing except for the censorship. Christ on a bike, these gosh-darn puritans... With all of the demonetization and bans on RUclips and social media nowadays, as well as the rise of right-wing populism pretty much everywhere in the world, I really feel like it's making a very annoying comeback. Just recently, I went through my Facebook timeline, and wanted to repost a DailyMotion music video I'd shared twelve years ago ('You Are the One' by Adanowsky and Devendra Banhart, fyi - lovely song). It featured some very mild nudity, and it was allowed on Facebook back then - but now it not only got taken down immediately; I also received an extremely unfriendly warning to get banned if I ever tried something like that again - like a proverbial slap on the fingers. Honestly, I thought that rude reaction was far more 'offensive' than anything I wanted to share. Back to the Middle Ages, I guess...
The ninja hysteria has a lot in common with the satanic-panic. To this day there's still a lot of places with weird and bizarre "anti-ninja" laws. Shuriken's, are still banned in Washington state and British Columbia IIRC.
If it will make you feel better: - the NES game known in America as Bad Dudes and Japan as Dragon Ninja was released over here as Bad Dudes vs. Dragon Ninja - despite the NES Ninja Gaiden games being renamed Shadow Warriors, the Game Gear and Master System iterations retained the Ninja Gaiden name - we later saw the swirly logo on Channel 4’s 100 Greatest Cartoons, in which the Turtles are 1 position higher than SpongeBob!
after watching this im glad i was born in the early 2000's. my siblings keep asking me if i know what things like a floppy disk or a Walkman is, but that thats barrable considering how things like this happened. edit: didn't see the last bit, holy fuck i forgot society is still terrible.
England: We can’t allow TMNT to be here in our beloved country. Also England: Full English is totally ok to have over here and ok to exist as well. Me: Gotta love the consistency and logic there.
If i ever hear someone say "but think of the children" when talking about censoring a movie they think is bad but isn't I'll say "I don't give a fuck about the children they can burn in hell for all i care"
@@ProjektTaku I'm mostly talking about anyone useing "but think of the children" as an excuse to something people are over reacting to and dosn't need censorship
It's still crazy to me that The Sun is still so popular. It's fucking horrible how those people have a platform to talk so much shit to people of the public, there's so many newspapers that are better and aren't biased as shit bruh
So is anybody else going to acknowledge the fact that *1984,* of all years, is the year that age ratings were implemented in movies allowing for more freedom of expression for film makers?
is classic thing of "something popular with the kids is the cause of something bad in society". also the "Tea time brutality for tots" really got me a laugh for sound unitentionally funny
There is a arcade place in the Isle of Wite that still has a running Hero Turtle arcade cabinet. Though not sure if it's still there or not it's kinda interesting to see that in recent times.
There's a long history of it, going right back to the Victorian panic over 'penny dreadfuls' - short stories made available through cheap printing, awash with stories of crime and violence that many feared would inspire the lower classes to imitation. Britain has always been rather good at moral panic.
Wow just for her to publicly admit to have NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN a “video nasty” and how “[they] didn’t need to see the content of the film” to KNOW the content of it is SO ignorant
You get that a lot in crusader campaigns. A common method is to use a mailing list: The organising group identifies something they think should be censored or banned, they write a letter that goes out in bulk to all their members, the members all sign the letter and forward it on to the appropriate government agency. The agency gets flooded with thousands of letters from angry parents, and none of them ever need to dirty themselves looking at the offending material.
Honestly most of the animated iterations of the Ninja Turtles were introduced in the last 10 years, because of the amount of SDCC shorts in 2016. And then there’s Batman vs TMNT as a bonus!
@@TheArceusftw they’re up on Nick’s RUclips! Search TMNT SDCC shorts. Some VAs overlap but there’s also a short with a team that most closely resembles Batman vs TMNT’s in terms of voice cast and specific assignments.
My Biology textbook is about 25 years old and has a picture of a biologist wearing a shirt that says Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles. I didn't know about this whole thing, so I assumed it was a bootleg.
I told my nephews (9 and 11) about this and they burst out laughing hysterically. I told them the parent and Christian groups back then were complete morons who ruined good shows with their interference.
As a side note, when the 2003 cartoon series came about, it kept its title and the turtles were allowed to be ninjas. I'm curious, what changed the UK at that point in time?
I think there had just been enough distance and time from the original "controversy" . That and politicians were probably stoking panicking about something else.
Yea... 18:05 is indeed the only legit concern about films with animal chars... If theyre somethin cheap that a parent can buy then chances are the parent will do such and not bother to figure out the best care for such; esp bcuz certain unnamed big chain pet stores only care about sellin pets and not housin them in survivable conditions after sellin them >.> If anythin they see the customer that kills their own pet thru lack of knowledge as a likely repeat customer.
The funniest thing about Texas Chainsaw Massacre being a video nasty is that the film shows almost no blood or gore for most of the film because it was aiming for an American PG originally.
- Oh no! They sent a ninja assassin to get me!
- You got it wrong, I'm actually a Hero Assassin
- Oh, thank goodness
*Muffled noises of hero violence*
Man that's sounds much worse wish this was skit in robo chicken or any show comedic show.
😂lol
wouldn't that mean that the assassins are probably more justified in assassinating you? I mean if their heroes ods are you are probably a villain.
1:01
Best hero joke of 1987
"video nasties" is literally the most british thing i have ever heard
The Damned have a pretty good song about it.
@@chaos.corner pigs 3 different ones is about mary whitehouse
was about to comment the same thing.
Not just British, it is an Old White English Lady term.
I find the censorship of nunchucks hilarious since they’re terribly ineffective weapons in real life
Classic.
It’s like trying to cut down a tree with a wet tissue
What I find funnier is that while Mikey's Nunchucks had to go...
Leo and Raph were allowed to keep the Swords and Sais that actually cut and stab things.
Heck, Nunchucks were just a pair of short sticks tied together,
yet Donnie, who had a big, LONG stick for a weapon, wasn't censored either.
Does everyone just hate Mikey, or what?!
Yeah it's basically a club that is 50% likely to hit you over the guy you're trying to bonk
@@MetroXLR I vaguely recall that it was because of potential for imitation. Children didn't usually have access to swords, so they wouldn't be copying them, but they may well have access to sticks they could use to hit each other with.
so in short, british people hate ninjas because of morbius
Yep. Damn morbius.... I am going to drink my tea and eat my crumpets
We also had a "sus law"...
@@donutdome we did?
morb
And they implemented the sus law because of it... British people are something.
It's nice to see someone do a full deep dive into the paranoia caused by Thatcher. The Hillsborough disaster was so prevalent and sickening that Liverpool and the rest of the North still hold massive resentment to the police force to this day. The 97th death happened a few decades after the disaster, and that led leaders to campaign for the Hillsborough law.
So thank you for handling the Hillsborough disaster in such a respectful way, Eddie.
That disaster is also why Liverpool and The North in general; HATES and I mean HATES,the Sun newspaper.
The Sun is full of mindless sensationalist crap anyway. Not worth the paper it's printed on.
A newspaper with pro-thatcher sentiments would obviously not be too well recieved in the North, even today. She was a good politician, but had some awful views and thoughts.
@@leftysheppey Exactly. She was an awful politician, especially with her attitude to the North. The Miner's Strikes paint that picture very well.
She also deregulated buses everywhere outside of London, and only now are Liverpool and Manchester undoing that.
@@PelinalDidNothingWrong Chester resident here, after the way the sun reported that, i have never picked up or read a single bit from the sun
@sbakerj07 And he also didn't shy away from how immoral the Sun were for reporting it in the way that they did.
"I actually don't need to see, visually, what I know is in that film"
What a completely normal thing to think, censoring content based on a name and description. Screw context
It’s happening now in Florida. The governor is complaining about a class called “Death, Hell, and Capitalism.” A course about Dante Alighieri and Medieval Italy 🤦🏻♀️ but of course he didn’t read the syllabus
@@MiraArrrto think that dunce is trying to get presidential powers
it's just what christians do, 90% of them haven't read the bible, but they apparently still know what it's about
@@MiraArrrI mean, why did they give it that name in the first place?
@@eeveeofalltrades4780
It's a pretty accurate description of Dante's relationship with Medieval Italy.
The sad thing is that moral panic is still a thing today. It's not just the Ninja Turt-- Uh, I mean... Hero Turtles... But it's also happened with other shows before like SpongeBob (notably when the Parents Television Council went full butthurt mode over the "Sailor Mouth" episode).
If some idiot politician or moral guardian has a beef with me over my work, I'd say that it's their problem and not mine, and then tell them to shut the fuck up.
It’s especially stupid the controversy about the Sailor Mouth episode since it was saying cursing is bad. Think about that. Parents, who tend to bitch and moan about cursing, got mad at a show that said it was bad to do. 🤦
@@jesusrox4u Is that even in the original Japanese dub?
@@BriceInkling138 What do you mean?
@@jesusrox4u I think their referring to the japanese dub of spongebob (or atleast one that I know of)
@@SparkyCas Oh, I’m not sure how the reception was for it since I didn’t know there was a dub of the episode.
Who would’ve guessed the British were so terrified of freaking Ninjas.
We are terrified of strange things
@@WTFJ0RDAN teenage mutant hired assassin turtles
Innate fear since the Battle of Singapore.
A fear of something that existed Hundreds of years ago
I wonder what they think of Psylocke!
In the mid 90s a drain down my street got blocked and the local fire crew come out to help clear it. It turned out to be a pizza box and one of the fireman said to me “those bloody turtles need to put their rubbish in the bin!“ I’ve never forgotten that as I was Turtle mad at the time. 😆
That's hilarious, thank you.
"One of the things about the turtles is that they’re all supposed to be relatable to the point where you feel as if you’ve got a little bit of every one of them in your personality.
That’s why they’re so cool, is because you can see little bits of yourself in all of them." - Master Splinter
deep...
@@ProjektTaku it may be deep but I peed
he never said that
@@hunterholly9781 wow...that's deep and personal.
@@ProjektTaku peed and lanosrep
what I found funny about Mary Whitehouse was that some shows like Doctor Who found her complaints to be quite good as it gave the show more attention. One show in particular The Goodies tried to piss Whitehouse off by basing an entire episode on her, because to her, The Goodies was a clean show that didn't do anything risqué.
The Goodies did that because she actually liked them, and they were not so keen on that prospect.
@@zarrg5611 yeah, they tried numerous tactics to get her upset with them until they did the Saturday Night Fever episode where Tim wore some pants with a picture of a carrot on the front. 😂
@@menkomonty lol.
You know what they say; There's no such thing as bad publicity.
@@menkomonty ah yes, the Tim dancing with underwear that has a carrot on the front while "Staying Alive" is playing scene. 🤣
....and then he puts on pants that are too tight and ends up with a high-pitched voice that goes deep when Bill zipped his fly down. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is a cautionary tale, and a reminder that trying to appeal to moral crusaders is ultimately a fruitless effort. Sadly, people still haven't learned this lesson.
And sadly people as a whole never will. As evident by our history with the Salem Witch Trials, the Crusades, ritual sacrifices to appease temperamental gods, anti-anything groups who target violence and demand the world live as they do, and so on…
ill say this much, this video made revise my things to do vacation list, so if I ever visit the UK, instead of finding a public restroom ill visit Whitehouses grave and give a good "appeal" for the hatred and Xenophobia her crusade on purity caused.
Give them an inch, they’ll take a mile and also legislate to criminalise telling kids that trans people exist.
@@Gojiro7 Dont forget to bring some sausage links to use as if theyre nunchucks
@@SylviaRustyFae it's now on the list
I learned so much in this one! Great video, dude! 👍
Hey rebecca
Didn't expect to see one of my favorite youtubers here
woah it's rebecca!
Hello my geeks and peeps, explainers and enterainer. My little (i dunno how to spell)s, Rebecca here.
Did not expect Rebecca to be here
Mary Whitehouse is one of those people who you really can't believe existed until you read about her. Imagine what she'd think of modern video games or modern movies!
deadpool would give her a heart attack.
But imagine if she saw the boys or invincible!
@@ProjektTaku I'd love to see her reaction to GTA or Doom
@@PelinalDidNothingWrong imagine her seeing mortal combat...
People like her still exist, luckily most of society just ignore those type of people now
She's like a walking embodiment of the Karen caricature, by god!
So basically, anything kids like is dangerous and everything bad can be blamed on them
*me on my way to cancel saturday and sunday*
Anything *EXCEPT* what their parents decide is good and moral for them, *apparently*
Headlines i imagine must happen in UK
Ice Cream Mania leads to 12 dead and 134 injured in Creaming gone wrong.
Scourge of driveby rubberbanding caused by unlicensed toddlers given unchecked access to big wheels.
Game of Hide and Seek goes horribly wrong; 3 children starved to death, is hide and seek a gateway to death for your children!?
Miracle father survived patty cake incident! Out of control infant wudnt stop slappin the poor man while trying to recreate a scene she saw on tv at daycare
Yep! better air a public message about that in 2024!
@@SylviaRustyFae can confirm, just read those articles.
I appreciate the restraint edd has for not making an among us joke when mentioning sus and instead calling it out as a racist policy
He knows we all did that for him.
I do not have such restraint.
lol sus
By the way, Pigs by Pink Floyd was partially written about Mary Whitehouse, making fun of her for wanting to ban (amongst other things), the movie Lisztomania, an absurdist masterpiece that featured such delightful scenes as the titular 19th century composer riding gigantic phallic objects, and legendary keyboardist Rick Wakeman as a viking pissing on a fireplace.
"Hey you, Whitehouse! / Ha ha! Charade you are!"
I hate how they changed Mikeys nunchucks. The whole point is that each of their weapons have deeper meaning in something they need to learn. The difficult to use nunchucks were giving to him to teach him to stay focused as the most talented, but goofiest and most scatterbrained turtle.
As a non-British person but also a Doctor Who fan, "why would the British panic over turtles?"
Mary Whitehouse.
Ah, say no more.
Yeah, I was thinking the same damn thing
It always ties back to that old spinster
Why would you watch Doctor Who💀
TMNT teaches to not judge a book by its cover, do good & do no evil, bad guys don’t win, and there are mutants living in NYC sewers.
I don’t see this as a moral panic as an American. These strong messages are a good lesson for a child to grow up with and for Godsakes it is only a fictional TV show.
Don't forget that it also teaches us turtles can survive eating solely pizza
@@max_punch
True 🤣
can confirm, brits feel the same way.
You can’t really judge the Brits too harshly on this. America had its own string of nonsense paranoia like blaming Elvis’s gyrating for stuff, blaming Marilyn Manson and the Matrix for Columbine, blaming the game Dungeons and Dragons for turning kids crazy, the “Satanic panic” of the 1980s that is so ludicrous I encourage everyone to look it up, and almost anything we slap the word -gate at the end of.
@@TalentCaldwell
Yeah exactly! Americans are guilty of that too. Those were great examples with the Matrix & Marilyn Manson for causing Columbine, Heavy Metal being ‘satanic’ leading to someone’s suicide / the evil of society, Elvis, etc. Honestly you hit it on the head.
However the reason why I mentioned I was from America was NOT to hate on the Brits. I love British culture, especially their musical entertainment(The Kinks for example) It was to showcase my opinion based on where I grew up, honestly it was most likely a stupid thing to type since at the end of the day we are all people. Sorry if I came across that way, thank you for your perspective. 🙏🏻
This was something I learnt quite recently! A coworker said "Leonardo, Donatello, Michelangelo and Raphael - oh, I guess you're a bit too young to know them right?"
I told them it was the Ninja turtles and he laughed and said it was the Hero Turtles for him growing up! I had no idea :o
It amuses me how I am in fact old enough to have seen the Turtles in their original "hero" incarnation... and yet unlike the guy in your story who seemingly grew up and did other things with his life, I am perfectly aware of how TMNT has never really gone away but has maintained a place in pop culture through several reboots.
I somehow feel like the guy in your story is living a better life than I am.
@@goranisacson2502He can't be living a better life than you, you know about the Ninja turtles
I've lived in the UK my whole life and never watched TMNT as it didn't interest me, but I think my brothers watched it sometimes and it was obviously very well known so I was definitely aware of it, but I had absolutely no idea that the name was changed here. I've never once heard someone refer to it as Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles. :/
I think it depends on the version, the original was renamed but most later incarnations went back to Ninja. I'm from the UK as well and grew up with the 2003 version which went back to Ninja.
@@Reptilicus. Ah right that's probably what happened then. Hard to even think of them with any other name lol
same.
Yeah, your age may be a factor. I'm 40 and it was hero turtles when I was a kid.
@@andrewbeecroft6509 Yeah I'm 24 so I guess it went back to being Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles by the time I was aware of them 🙃
I can actually feel the psychological effects left over from the video nasty days. It freaked my dad out to such an extent that he blamed my night terrors on the TV I was watching. Now I have a certain amount of anxiety passed on to me whenever my kids watch something slightly unsettling. Thanks Mary
I bet your night terrors were actually about your dad
We had a similar moral panic about video games in the 2000s, I learned from that that my parents are full of shit. Valuable life lesson.
@@esmeecampbell7396 I said night terrors not nightmares. It's caused by overheating. It's very common in young children. It's illogical also to subscribe blame to something without proof.
@@esmeecampbell7396 ok why don't you prove that my night terrors were caused by the TV I watched as a child while I wait till you come up with absolutely no evidence whatsoever.
@@willd6215, and they never responded
As a British TMNT and Power Rangers fan kid in the 90s, I am SO glad that my parents were always so cool about not buying into moral panics about any fiction I watched- they just respected that I wasn't dumb enough to get any bad influence from anything I watched. To the point where, as a tiny little kid, whenever I was left in the bath by myself, to make sure that I was safe while she was off doing other things, my Mum would occasionally shout out through the house "Turtle!", to which I would have to yell back: "Power!" in response so she knew I was safe in the water. She'd always come running upstairs to check on me if I didn't hear her. I always felt safe and involved. Good times.
“Oi mate, you got a loicence for those nunchucks?!”
on a side note, Eddie doesn't realise the absolute can of worms The Brain of Morbius opened in the Doctor Who community recently.
I shan't ruin his ignorance for in this case, it is peace. And it was a recent episode that opened the worms, they just slithered back there.
What happen?
Massive retcon, very annoying, literally nothing really happened with any of it. It did, it just wasn't good. Maybe there'll be something in October, but I expect not.
A can of Whorms then?
@@shytendeakatamanoir9740 I am so annoyed I didn't think of that first. Such a good joke.
Aww poo, I was literally half way through writing a script about this exact same topic too! :(
Collab!
@@wolframbloomer5887 I've been a voice in a previous video :)
Aw sorry bud!
@@eddache Teach me to sit on my arse with scripts :P But I'll have to have a chat with some other animation related ones I've got in the pipeline!!!
I'm down!
12:31 GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET OUT OF MY HEAD GET
The sus
@@antoniopenna8677law
These videos are so well researched and you really just *get* the cultural background to these things - well done good man
They came here to save the NES.
No, seriously, IIRC the TMNT actually helped NES sales in the UK because there was pretty much no game crash over here so the ZX Spectrum and the Master System dominated 80s British gaming, so the NES Ninja Turtles game helped Nintendo sell a few more consoles over here.
(18/11/2023 edit:That Surfshark bit sure hits different now with the Online Safety Bill)
It is bizarre hearing UK conservatives going on about free speech and cancel culture these days when it was literally them who heavily advocated for censorship and were constantly passing damning blame onto the entertainment industry way back in the 70s and 80s. It's only free speech to them if it's something they agree with I guess :') excellent video!
In America, both sides have very heavy censorship, so it’s just funny to see each side talk about free speech
They're not the only side of the political spectrum that has a tendency to only care about the free speech they agree with, unfortunately.
@@troodon1096Okay there Mr. Enlighten Centrist.
Yes , I'm surprised also that it is now the progressive left who are the puritan censors. When I was growing up it was the conservative right who wanted to censor , language, video games, music. Where now its thr progressive left who have incredibly dogmatic rules on what is acceptable for a comedian to say. Imagine how unwelcome Christopher Hitchens, Bill Hicks and George Carlin would be in the modern left. They would be astonished at this turn of events. The self censorship that goes on in the workplace, at university, in entertainment is staggering and all comes from the left. It's really quite something.
These people were right !
Here in France TMNT was not censored and so every kids were killing each others with Katana during recess.
i'm one of the only survivors of my school.
Thankfully by the time the TMNT 2003 series started. The turtles were actually allowed to be ninjas and the title stayed the same. Which I find especially funny since that series went dark in some places.
They hardly felt like ninjas in the 1987 version anyway. I thought Heroes fit this series more. 😂
Honestly, comming from latinoamerica I will always be interested in these topics, for the sheer contrast in tolerance for violence even around that time.
UK with TMNT: Ninja is to violent of a word, use hero instead
LatinA with OG Dragonball: There is a scene were the protagonist uses his attack to shoot himself THROUGH the big bad? Thats f*-king awsome! The kids will love it!
We rule
5:58 «Mankind knew they couldn’t change society, so instead of reflecting on themselves, they blamed the beasts. But they found beauty in the lives of beasts, and couldn’t lie to themselves about it.» - Guilty Gear Strive: Smell of the Game
I applaud you for making all the chapter titles singable to the tmnt theme song 👍
Bruce Lee vs Margaret Thatcher to the tune of the theme is my favorite
As a proud Liverpudlian, I cannot overstate how thankful I am for your mention of the Hillsborough disaster. You were 100 percent respectful and factual about what happened, which means an awful lot.
Similarly, thank you for standing up for trans rights at the end there. We're the current conservative scape goat and it's always nice to see people with a platform standing up to them.
What's most disappointing is to see the BBC itself engage in the trans panic (but they're totally independent of the government you guys, not like Channel 4 which needs to be privatised to -get bought out by- compete with Netflix and Amazon) and that there are gender critical _Labour_ MPs.
@@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234 you are so epic omg, can i have your autograph?
@@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234 "P.O.V: You grew up with no father"
...because he's one of the 96, taken from him by police mismanagement when sports fans were the conservative scapegoat?
Or is people being crushed to death in a football stadium funny to you?
@@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234 What is your problem, man?
@@subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234 -🤓
The only thing i could find from the UK is one dude had some type of japanese sword, someone broke into his house, the homw owner told him to leave, and the assailent WALKED INTO THE SWORD KILLING HIMSELF. So the only person to die from a 'Ninja Weapon' literally was so intoxicated, he didnt realise it would kill him. The only person to actually use such a weapon to kill someone, was half self defense, half happenstance.
Man, I had no idea that a simple and seemingly ridiculous name change for the Ninja Turtles had its roots in moral panics over the content in Movies and Television, and British politics regarding that.
i have slight memory of the turtlemania panic and definitely the ongoing VIOLENCE IN KIDS MEDIA panic, but god that salonella panic hits me so hard because THAT has left long-term issues with me i will never get over. raw egg is poison and i cannot get past that
See also the Mad Cow Disease scare.
I mean it's a good thing you won't eat raw eggs because they are bad for you, and do taste horrible
@@nickrustyson8124 Yeah. Unless if you are eating pastured ones from Japan and never got any salmonella.
I had a girl friend at the time from a family my mom used to babysit for, whose moms was from the UK. Which was great, because a lot of American media reached the continent through Britain. By the time the Turtles became a hot commodity here, the merch was already starting to go on sale in the UK, and this woman didn't buy into the moral panic enough to refrain from getting me the occasional gift from across the pond. I did end up calling them Hero Turtles for most of my childhood though.
And this is why the laws around banned weapons in the UK make zero logical sense. It's completely legal for an adult to buy a massive sword, a machete, or a battle axe. But ninja throwing stars, hand & foot spikes, and spikes on a chain are illegal. As if any of those have ever been the weapon of choice for actual criminals 🤣 The majority of knife crime is committed by very basic cheap knives such as kitchen knives, but because of the panic, it's the ninja weapons that are illegal.
Ban the kitchen knives and unban the ninja weapons, now everyone's trying to cut their steak with a shuriken.
If the UK thought that the Ninja Turtles were too "violent", imagine the hysteria that Dragon Ball Z could've caused if the moral panic was still around at that time.
The fact that the ad read was enjoyable to watch speaks volumes to your quality as a content creator. Looking forward to the next one :)
Cant spell nunchucks without “none”
It’s insane how the UK had this moral panic for films but if you look at the age rating for Watership Down… it’s for ALL AGES.
The really strange thing that your video didn’t touch on was how the Hero Turtles edit affected all of the Europe.
I mean, it would make sense: the UK is a big market, but they have weird broadcasting regulations, whatever. But the British edit hit most of the European market for some reason.
Notably, in Ireland, the show was broadcast before the UK (for some strange reason, Ireland was the first in Europe to broadcast new episodes for most of the show’s original run) and the first season ran, unedited and as they were originally broadcast, under the Ninja Turtles name there.
Cut to the following season, and Ireland (like most of Europe) is broadcasting the show under the Hero Turtles banner with all of the British edits. So bizarre.
Sometimes, it feels so weird how easy it is to generate a moral panic. All you need is at least _one_ person going around asking "but what about the children???" and suddenly everyone panics
Plus, British had a valid reasons to place each rating systems in movies. I don’t think they need to censor things. Because of artistic freedom. While it depend’s on everyone’s mental health if they can handle the movies or not. If they can’t handle movies like that. They might have to ignore it.
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Eddache
The based king 👑
Moral panics are the fucking worst. It's clear scapegoating for political points, yet it works because the general masses aren't that bright.
Margaret Thatcher: *hates football hooligans*
Games Workshop: *names the leader of the faction based on football hooligans after her*
Ok that's actually really funny
5:19 It's neither 'adults' nor 'dogs'. He said 'dolts'. Now, I'm not saying this guy is completely right, but the danger posed by stupid people should not be underestimated.
13:15 it is honestly sickening how The Sun was so quick to put the blame of Hillsborough on the victims despite the police being responsible for it.
This is hands down the best commercial integration of a VPN I've had the pleasure of seeing. And I've seen hundreds.
It blows my mind adults thought people where actually running around throwing shurikens as apposed to carrying something more easier to use like literally any other stabbing tool. Where exactly were kids even going to obtain this ninja weaponry to begin?・_・
“Fun” fact, the song Electric Avenue by Eddie Grant is about the as mentioned Brixton Riots.
I remember first seeing the TMHT renaming on TV. Thought it was a new season thing growing up.
Thanks for this information! I'm from Belgium, and we also had that change from `Ninja' to 'Hero' Turtles; growing up in the eighties/early nineties, I figured there was some kind of difference in franchises between the two - kind of like 'Ghostbusters' and 'The Real Ghostbusters' - but turns out they were pretty much the same thing except for the censorship.
Christ on a bike, these gosh-darn puritans... With all of the demonetization and bans on RUclips and social media nowadays, as well as the rise of right-wing populism pretty much everywhere in the world, I really feel like it's making a very annoying comeback.
Just recently, I went through my Facebook timeline, and wanted to repost a DailyMotion music video I'd shared twelve years ago ('You Are the One' by Adanowsky and Devendra Banhart, fyi - lovely song). It featured some very mild nudity, and it was allowed on Facebook back then - but now it not only got taken down immediately; I also received an extremely unfriendly warning to get banned if I ever tried something like that again - like a proverbial slap on the fingers. Honestly, I thought that rude reaction was far more 'offensive' than anything I wanted to share. Back to the Middle Ages, I guess...
RUclips deleted a joke comment I made about Britan being wimpy...wow, never thought they are so fragile they can't handle a weak insult.
The respectful manner taken for the Hillsborough Disaster explanation cannot be unsold. Thank you Eddie.
The ninja hysteria has a lot in common with the satanic-panic.
To this day there's still a lot of places with weird and bizarre "anti-ninja" laws. Shuriken's, are still banned in Washington state and British Columbia IIRC.
"I wouldn't let them at any age" wow does that guy have control issues...
If it will make you feel better:
- the NES game known in America as Bad Dudes and Japan as Dragon Ninja was released over here as Bad Dudes vs. Dragon Ninja
- despite the NES Ninja Gaiden games being renamed Shadow Warriors, the Game Gear and Master System iterations retained the Ninja Gaiden name
- we later saw the swirly logo on Channel 4’s 100 Greatest Cartoons, in which the Turtles are 1 position higher than SpongeBob!
That is the best sponsorship ever that advises not to get the product.
after watching this im glad i was born in the early 2000's. my siblings keep asking me if i know what things like a floppy disk or a Walkman is, but that thats barrable considering how things like this happened.
edit: didn't see the last bit, holy fuck i forgot society is still terrible.
So the word Ninja was..... too violent? What about guns in Disney cartoons?
The dogs guy straight up admitted to biased research lol
England: We can’t allow TMNT to be here in our beloved country.
Also England: Full English is totally ok to have over here and ok to exist as well.
Me: Gotta love the consistency and logic there.
If i ever hear someone say "but think of the children" when talking about censoring a movie they think is bad but isn't I'll say "I don't give a fuck about the children they can burn in hell for all i care"
@@The_Blue_Otaku wow, chill mate. I mean your not wrong, but still, your kinda wrong.
tbh, most brits actually like the TMNT and don't have a problem with it.
@@ProjektTaku That’s cool
@@ProjektTaku I'm mostly talking about anyone useing "but think of the children" as an excuse to something people are over reacting to and dosn't need censorship
It's still crazy to me that The Sun is still so popular. It's fucking horrible how those people have a platform to talk so much shit to people of the public, there's so many newspapers that are better and aren't biased as shit bruh
Immensely disappointed the segment “Bruce Lee vs. Margaret Thatcher” didn’t involve a kung-fu fight in the afterlife.
No doubt, considering Bruce Lee didn't go to Hell
Imagine the panic if Naruto aired in the 80s and was shown on British TV
“Movies don’t create psychos. Movies make Psychos more creative!”
William Loomis
So is anybody else going to acknowledge the fact that *1984,* of all years, is the year that age ratings were implemented in movies allowing for more freedom of expression for film makers?
is classic thing of "something popular with the kids is the cause of something bad in society". also the "Tea time brutality for tots" really got me a laugh for sound unitentionally funny
"I believe they even affect dogs as well"-wait what?🤔
Damn ninja dogs!
12:31 I can't believe there was a law in the UK called the "sus" law.
I lost it at “That wasn’t very Cowabunga of you.” 🤣🤣
As soon as you said "Mary Whitehouse" I felt stupid. I should have known she'd be involved.
There is a arcade place in the Isle of Wite that still has a running Hero Turtle arcade cabinet. Though not sure if it's still there or not it's kinda interesting to see that in recent times.
18:39 That sewer worker looks like he's dressing up as one of the Turtles! Talk about a mixed message.
The "Video Nasties" sound likes what happened in the 1960s to comic books and the panic from the parents and politicians
No in the 1960s that was ending, it actually happened in the late 1940s
There's a long history of it, going right back to the Victorian panic over 'penny dreadfuls' - short stories made available through cheap printing, awash with stories of crime and violence that many feared would inspire the lower classes to imitation. Britain has always been rather good at moral panic.
Protecting children is such a common excuse for disallowing people to view or do things you don't like. I'm sick of it. :(
12:26 the name of that law certainly aged.
As an American, it fills me with relief to see someone else acting stupid for once.
Wow just for her to publicly admit to have NEVER ACTUALLY SEEN a “video nasty” and how “[they] didn’t need to see the content of the film” to KNOW the content of it is SO ignorant
You get that a lot in crusader campaigns. A common method is to use a mailing list: The organising group identifies something they think should be censored or banned, they write a letter that goes out in bulk to all their members, the members all sign the letter and forward it on to the appropriate government agency. The agency gets flooded with thousands of letters from angry parents, and none of them ever need to dirty themselves looking at the offending material.
Honestly most of the animated iterations of the Ninja Turtles were introduced in the last 10 years, because of the amount of SDCC shorts in 2016. And then there’s Batman vs TMNT as a bonus!
I did not know about the Comic Con shorts.
@@TheArceusftw they’re up on Nick’s RUclips! Search TMNT SDCC shorts. Some VAs overlap but there’s also a short with a team that most closely resembles Batman vs TMNT’s in terms of voice cast and specific assignments.
older generation thinking movies are making kids violent due the content in them? sounds a bit familiar doesn't it
My Biology textbook is about 25 years old and has a picture of a biologist wearing a shirt that says Teenage Mutant Hero Turtles. I didn't know about this whole thing, so I assumed it was a bootleg.
We keep trying to get back to this mythical time when children were innocent and well-behaved. When exactly was that?
In their heads
Feels like late 80s and early 90s parents are like the parents from south park
I told my nephews (9 and 11) about this and they burst out laughing hysterically. I told them the parent and Christian groups back then were complete morons who ruined good shows with their interference.
They still are 😂😂
@@meatypatte7125 I know, that's why I advice them about the idiot censorship going on in the world.
So they have "Herogo: Masters of Spinjitzu" and they're catchphrase is "Hero-Go!"
How dare Lego show that Immoral Cartoon about Ninjas.
"BECOME AN GAY??" is my favorite part of the whole video
16:28 All I can think of is that one clip where they cut it short so it sounds like "Dude, I could be gay"
As a side note, when the 2003 cartoon series came about, it kept its title and the turtles were allowed to be ninjas. I'm curious, what changed the UK at that point in time?
I think there had just been enough distance and time from the original "controversy" . That and politicians were probably stoking panicking about something else.
15:58 Saving this time stamp because his reaction to the logo is so funny
Yea... 18:05 is indeed the only legit concern about films with animal chars...
If theyre somethin cheap that a parent can buy then chances are the parent will do such and not bother to figure out the best care for such; esp bcuz certain unnamed big chain pet stores only care about sellin pets and not housin them in survivable conditions after sellin them >.> If anythin they see the customer that kills their own pet thru lack of knowledge as a likely repeat customer.
The funniest thing about Texas Chainsaw Massacre being a video nasty is that the film shows almost no blood or gore for most of the film because it was aiming for an American PG originally.
Wow Ed mentions something called "Sus Law" and doesn't make a single reference to Among Us.
Not sure if I'm disappointed or proud.
I don't know man I found that pretty sus
12:31 happens
My brain: don’t say it, don’t say it, don’t say it!
Me: Amogus