This is not the first time at 14:38 when Richard says that Pioneer was fair at the beginning. Oko and Field of the dead were there for the first 2 months, then there was only a month before Theros brought Inverter of Truth/Oracle, Heliod/Ballista, and Breach decks. Those weren't banned for another 7 months, then it was another 7 months for them to ban Teferi, Uro, Wilderness Rec, Balustrade Spy, and Undercity informer. That's like a year and a half at the beginnning for Pioneer to be a graveyard of combo decks before they straightened out the format.
The only reason we must listen to Richard is because he's the owner of Goldfish, bad takes after bad takes after bad takes after bad takes after bad takes..
Richard: plans to use Insult, Bolt Screaming Nemesis to combo kill through One Ring preventing damage. Also Richard: forgetting that One Ring prevents opponent being targeted.
What I wanted them to do was "Allright we are here to answer a few backed up fishmails and then say something like... Do you think Hogaak is going to be a problem this summer!?!" Just to meme.
About that mono-red Leyline: I see it as another Tibalt's Trickery situation. Deck might even have low win rate in Bo3, but it's superfast and easy to pilot. And in Bo1 it's a nightmare. So, people just spam it to win/lose on turn 3-4 and "GG, go next". It gets you a ton of wins-per-minute, so your unga-bunga-brain is very happy, and it farms you a ton of value, which is very good in Arena economy. And people were ALREADY doing it with normal mono-red, and deck was ALREADY strong... and now they got insane Leyline power-up. So, yes, I can see it being banned, for the same reason as Tibalt's Trickery.
Magic is not about incremental card advantage any more, it is about making your game-ending haymaker plays while denying your opponents' theirs. That's just what FIRE/commander design hath wrought.
Ah, I'm glad I'm not the only one who hears the word "electrolytes" and thinks of Brawndo The Thirst Mutilator. (And oh god that video is 16 years old aaaa)
Crim on Commander: The name of the game is time equity, the shorter the games, the better Crim on Pioneer: Drawing because you're playing the control mirror? Sign me up 😂😂😂
I said it back then, I'll say it again: Phoenix is a great standard bearer for the power level of a format, even with Treasure Cruise. It usually is interactive and comparably fair in how it plays out, it can be disrupted reasonably easily from it's main plan, and it requires knowledge and skill to play well. You can have some cards around like Treasure Cruise (or One Ring in Modern, although that is too ubiquitous due to color) that enable you to do *more* of what you're doing, but not immediately win or end up super far ahead because of it.
zevin who played the selesnya deck often plays at my lgs. he is just a really really player and i sm not surprised he pulled off a top 8, even with a totally fair hate-bear style coco pile! i did i triple take when i heard you mention his name. congrats zevin!
When they talked about how everything is just a "mid-rangy pile + some sort of scam" it reminded me of a video by Eternal Durdles how every legacy deck that wants to be successful nowadays need a certain percentage of "free wins". I guess it applies to Pioneer too :D
I respect crim so much for his outlook on the game when you guys touched on standard mono red. I absolutely despise playing the red leyline decks even with plenty of options for cheap removal, it just completely destroys so many decks... You can't keep any hand without turn 1 interaction available as you don't know what you're up against, you can't have tapped mana early... It's just a complete mess that forces certain deck building choices unless you want to risk losing on your opponents turn 2. And mind you there's no other turn 2 lose the game deck to consider building against so it's really just not healthy for the format imo.
Even if Leyline Red doesn't end up with an excessive win percentage, they've made bans in other formats for reasons of warping the format. Monastery Swiftspear ate a ban out of Pauper because mono-red there was more-or-less compelling players to dedicate half their sideboard or more to "ways to stop mono-red". At the moment you are (at best) taking a big gamble by building a deck without 1-mana removal in it; taplands are unplayable on turn 1 if they opponent has a mountain out with a Scamp or Heartfire Hero out; even when on the play you need to make your mulligan decisions based around "what if they drop leyline".
I bet, the same people who threw a tantrum for losing their gamble money on the bans are the same people who are now gambling on the (yet) banned cards. Man-children never learn. :D
I think once Wizards gets into its Biorythm we'll see a bunch of unbans in a Flash. These unbans might cause some Upheaval and I know a few players are having a Recurring Nightmare about some of the scarier cards. I think everything will be fine and the format will Balance out. Just sit back and Channel some good vibes.
The never ending "standard discussion" that amounts to "Just play 80% cheap removal and hope for the best!" is such a crummy solution for an entire format...
The power nine is only valuable if enough people want to buy them. Eventually the old school players who see that as nostalgic will die off, will the new players who's core memories of the game revolve around the current crop of chase cards still care about cards that weren't playable for 30 years before they played? I don't think that it will ever completely fade away, but I can't see how the value wont drop eventually.
11:46 new is fear if missing out and marvin i think fear of missing out is very solida s its a discard outlet for tree and a very solid threat on its own
I'm surprised Seth keeps saying he would never have believed Tree of Perdition would be in a tournament winning deck. Isn't this kind of thing very common? We just had a broken combo deck with Shuko and Outrider en Kor, we have other combo decks playing Parhellion II, Hidden Strings, Young Wolf, Codex Shredder etc. Bad cards are part of combo decks all the time.
Armageddon never left my decks. Ravages of War getting a reprint in Fallout was one of my favourite mtg moments. The card isn't an issue if you know how to use it - create board presence, have wins on the board, cast.
Commander dictating the prices of cards is both the best and worst thing for enjoyers of real magic. Armageddon and primetime spiking in value for literally no reason has my blood boiling for some reason though
One mana bounce like Into the Floodmaw is very underrated in Standard right now. It dunks on both Leyline and Abhorrent Oculus, two of the breakouts of Duskmourne.
Actually an Alpha Near Mint graded Black Lotus was sold this year for 3 million usd, leaving behind The One Ring by a huge margin. Officially Black Lotus IS themost expensive magic card :)
Ian Robb plays MTG as well as Pokemon? For those wondering, he is the guy who got DQ'd at Pokemon Worlds this year for making a certain gesture at his opponent in the top 8.
People do interact with black lotus in modern mtg because it's so highly referenced in cards and culture. Jeweled Lotus, Lotus Field, Lotus Bloom and such all keep the legend alive. Similar with Mox. Time Walk is shorthand for skipping someone's turn as a very generically powerful thing to do in any board game. But I do very rarely ever think about time vault.
I want to believe that tier 4 will include cards that require counter spells or other forms of Stack interaction. If that is the case, biorhythm and Coalition Victory should be easy to unban
I actually started playing some arena to draft and played standard to farm some gold and it is actually so much fun. I have seen like 10 decks that I was "wow, what, this is so cool" 😮
Standard is absolutely fantastic rn i do agree with the leyline of resonance take that seth has it feels way too fast for Standard and not a very fun play pattern
Crash is relative. 1st edition Charizard was worth a little more at the end of 2020 than it's worth today. Considering inflation it has actually gone down in value slowly. I think the same thing will happen with the power nine if you look forward 5 years.
I agree with Crim on Leyline. It's a fun card and if it's banned, aggro will be fine. If there has to be a ban, I'd prefer WotC to ban something less interesting
I hope for the best healthy choice for commander ban list according to a clean format for playing at cons/magic fest type events. For my personal play groups and if you play against me then please play cardboard. Anything goes, and if it creates a one sided game then at least I am with friends whom I love and I can ask to choose a different deck next game. But yes, when you play magic you should play any cardboard legal and if that is MLD then sweet!
Having played with and against mono red Leyline aggro, I don’t think it’s a huge problem because it can be pretty brittle. The worst version though is leyline rot priest.
37:20 The Leyline is so fragile, Seth. Yes, they have nut draws, but they also have so many nonfunctional hands. I only play Bo3, where it is there from time to time. But it is not oppressive at all. And if you hate losing to it, UW Enchanties beats it up a ton.
I mean we kinda interact with black lotus. With cards like lotus field, lotus petal, jeweled lotus, gilded lotus, etc. They are all just call backs and keep black lotus in the public’s mind.
Difference between charizard and black lotus is huge, like everybody collected pokemon cards as a kid, nobody played, everybody played magic as a kid, nobody had a lotus. It still had a mystique and appeal to early players but I think the rise of power is done, I mean the 50 year old wealthy people who buy them will age out and there isn't a new group of people looking to pick them up, difference between charizard and lotus is lotus was a play piece and charizard was always a collectible and the same thing will happen to Charizard eventually but it's got a longer shelf life than Lotus because of the new wave of young pokemon collectors, that got into through influencers specifically hyping up that card and that just doesn't exist in magic.
@@TheEvolver311 It won't be a flex, the price will fall, demand will fall, that's my point, it's only that specific generation that's interested in it, like the other guy said, he thinks he'd still be interested in owning one at 80 but the generation after him won't have the same interest in it. It's not the amount of people that would like one that creates demand, it's the amount of people that want one at a certain price and demand is going to sharply decline within the next couple decades
Protection means cannot be: Blocked by Targeted by Damaged by Enchanted by If you stop the prevent damage bit, you can kill through it. The same even applies to say Teferi’s Protection… if you poison/commander damage them to death.
Why stop at White Lotus. They can do all colors. Red Lotus for 3 red mana and so on. The black one could be called blackest Lotus or something so it is distinct from the actual black lotus
When Red Leyline wins on turn 2, it really feels like we haven't played a game of Magic. I'd like to see it go and can't imagine 3 years of it hanging around! Red still got a DSK upgrade with Turn Inside Out and has plenty of turn 3 win combos.
I think Pioneer is good but I dont know how good standard is. I dont see many standard events fireing and I live in an urban area. It feels like Commander the Gathering is the only format that exists in paper anymore. Both Limited formats are the worst they've ever been and it's always been my favorite way to play.
Standard has never been "popular" it was heavily played because it was the format with the most competitive support from WotC. We have Pioneer, Modern and Standard events every weekend at my lgs but Standard is still mostly try hards looking for the prize
I'm sorry, but NO ONE who actually plays Pioneer regularly for longer than 2 weeks, thought that Phoenix would be a problem, because EVERYONE in that position knew the reason for phoenix rise. Rakdos had a 2 card combo that rekt control - The End. It's just super annoying when ppl doomsay stuff they have only surface level knowledge about. I believe when Seth talks about Modern or Commander...but Pioneer? Heck no. And I called it back on the ban-list video too... I mean...the question is: Why would ANYONE believe that Phoenix will be problematic, when it wasn't one before the Sorin Rakdos deck was the most played version? It really bothers me, because people parrot this stuff.
What do you know Izzet Phoenix is again only the 3rd best deck if that possibly 4th like i said when the last bannings happened and everyone acted like some how it wouldn't be BRx dominated still😊
Pretty confused by Crim's opinion on the leyline deck. Saying he thinks it is maybe fine when he then goes on to say he has been playing a deck that is strictly designed to hard counter it but that deck then also LOSES TO EVERY OTHER DECK. Kind of a weird take on the situation and makes me lose any credibility for that opinion. Having said that I do agree it may not necessarily need a ban in bo3 but in no world should it exist a minute longer in bo1 and every day that passes is just another failure by the wotc testing department as far as I'm concerned. Bo1 games are already heavily dictated by the first coin flip of who is on the play and then if you don't have a hand with 1 mana interaction you might have already lost without even knowing it yet.
Bo1 always favors extremely narrow strategies. Either all out aggro or super controlling anti-aggro or if we are in a dark timeline a fast enough combo deck.
This podcast hypes how great the current slate of constructed formats are, from standard through to Modern. And yet we're just as worried about WoTC and RC merging? I know that's not the point of this video, but it feels so weird to hear glowing reviews of wizard-run formats and then on the next video hear hyperbole about WoTC has ruined formats they manage
There have been a lot of podcasts over the past few years about how bad most/all of the format were. I'm happy that formats are in a good place at the moment (minus Modern, at least for me), but the concern for Commander comes more from how Wizards has managed formats for the past decade rather than how the are right this minute.
Its unfair because the interaction is actually so terrible. Its becoming my least favourite format when it used to be my favourite because you can't just play a fun midrange game of magic.
When a deck is good it's unfair to Richard. When a deck is some random midrange, it's bad and dies to removal and is unplayable. His opinions are literally the same regardless of the deck and it's absolutely insufferable. The incarnation deck is pretty fair and you can roll it over with side board stuff. You can't win any argument with someone who has immovable opinions. "What fair decks are still winning tournaments?! Oh but it has these cards so it's unfair" 😂😂😂
Tree of Perdition winning a large event a decade after release is one of the best underdog stories a card can have
This is not the first time at 14:38 when Richard says that Pioneer was fair at the beginning. Oko and Field of the dead were there for the first 2 months, then there was only a month before Theros brought Inverter of Truth/Oracle, Heliod/Ballista, and Breach decks. Those weren't banned for another 7 months, then it was another 7 months for them to ban Teferi, Uro, Wilderness Rec, Balustrade Spy, and Undercity informer. That's like a year and a half at the beginnning for Pioneer to be a graveyard of combo decks before they straightened out the format.
Richard, being wrong? No way.
The only reason we must listen to Richard is because he's the owner of Goldfish, bad takes after bad takes after bad takes after bad takes after bad takes..
Oko filed and uro are all fair cards in fair decks. Teferi is also a fair card.
None of them really keep up with Pioneer it's why no one corrected Richard.
oko is good dont get me wrong but it kinda seems like you dont understand what they mean by "fair".
Richard: plans to use Insult, Bolt Screaming Nemesis to combo kill through One Ring preventing damage.
Also Richard: forgetting that One Ring prevents opponent being targeted.
classic richard L
THEY ACTUALLY DO FISHMAIL, OMG
Wow, *spoilers*
They should just do a bonus episode of all the best fish mail as and end of year special
@@JonReid01 this
Please make content with these decklists!
I love how excited you guys are about these pioneer decks they all sound very fun
What I wanted them to do was "Allright we are here to answer a few backed up fishmails and then say something like... Do you think Hogaak is going to be a problem this summer!?!" Just to meme.
About that mono-red Leyline: I see it as another Tibalt's Trickery situation. Deck might even have low win rate in Bo3, but it's superfast and easy to pilot. And in Bo1 it's a nightmare. So, people just spam it to win/lose on turn 3-4 and "GG, go next". It gets you a ton of wins-per-minute, so your unga-bunga-brain is very happy, and it farms you a ton of value, which is very good in Arena economy. And people were ALREADY doing it with normal mono-red, and deck was ALREADY strong... and now they got insane Leyline power-up. So, yes, I can see it being banned, for the same reason as Tibalt's Trickery.
Magic is not about incremental card advantage any more, it is about making your game-ending haymaker plays while denying your opponents' theirs. That's just what FIRE/commander design hath wrought.
Aka the yugioh problem is getting closer and closer
@@Shimatzu95I was about to say this sounds just like modern Yu-Gi-Oh. Which I can enjoy but would certainly alienate a lot of MTG veterans…
This is why Limited is the Way
@@DeusIzanagi on that note pauper is on the rise and, hopefully, pauper edh might follow.
@@N7Crow modern yugioh i why i quit yugioh, hopefully magic has a few more years in it till it gets to that point.
It's just such a cool format (Pioneer) and it's nice to see that there's something other than Commander.
It’s got electrolytes. It’s what plants crave!
Ah, I'm glad I'm not the only one who hears the word "electrolytes" and thinks of Brawndo The Thirst Mutilator.
(And oh god that video is 16 years old aaaa)
Crim on Commander: The name of the game is time equity, the shorter the games, the better
Crim on Pioneer: Drawing because you're playing the control mirror? Sign me up
😂😂😂
I said it back then, I'll say it again: Phoenix is a great standard bearer for the power level of a format, even with Treasure Cruise. It usually is interactive and comparably fair in how it plays out, it can be disrupted reasonably easily from it's main plan, and it requires knowledge and skill to play well. You can have some cards around like Treasure Cruise (or One Ring in Modern, although that is too ubiquitous due to color) that enable you to do *more* of what you're doing, but not immediately win or end up super far ahead because of it.
zevin who played the selesnya deck often plays at my lgs. he is just a really really player and i sm not surprised he pulled off a top 8, even with a totally fair hate-bear style coco pile! i did i triple take when i heard you mention his name. congrats zevin!
sorry for all the typos. tl;dr- zevin is a really good player
Pioneer looked great at the tournament.
When they talked about how everything is just a "mid-rangy pile + some sort of scam" it reminded me of a video by Eternal Durdles how every legacy deck that wants to be successful nowadays need a certain percentage of "free wins". I guess it applies to Pioneer too :D
I’m loving the Modern, Pioneer, and Standard content! Thanks 🙏🏻
I respect crim so much for his outlook on the game when you guys touched on standard mono red. I absolutely despise playing the red leyline decks even with plenty of options for cheap removal, it just completely destroys so many decks... You can't keep any hand without turn 1 interaction available as you don't know what you're up against, you can't have tapped mana early... It's just a complete mess that forces certain deck building choices unless you want to risk losing on your opponents turn 2. And mind you there's no other turn 2 lose the game deck to consider building against so it's really just not healthy for the format imo.
Agreed. Historically wizatds has banned red cards to slow down format. ramunap ruins and ferocidon come to mind.
Even if Leyline Red doesn't end up with an excessive win percentage, they've made bans in other formats for reasons of warping the format. Monastery Swiftspear ate a ban out of Pauper because mono-red there was more-or-less compelling players to dedicate half their sideboard or more to "ways to stop mono-red".
At the moment you are (at best) taking a big gamble by building a deck without 1-mana removal in it; taplands are unplayable on turn 1 if they opponent has a mountain out with a Scamp or Heartfire Hero out; even when on the play you need to make your mulligan decisions based around "what if they drop leyline".
Has Richard posted his deck list for the Red/Kavu deck? I’m really interested
these kinds of events are part of the essence of what MTG is.
Crim is the funniest troll of all time. Queuing up before bed and lunch to lock red players in 🤣
I bet, the same people who threw a tantrum for losing their gamble money on the bans are the same people who are now gambling on the (yet) banned cards.
Man-children never learn. :D
32:13 we need a list of Richard's deck
Love Crim and his Criminal Actions against Red Aggro. This is said as someone who plays red aggro XD
I think once Wizards gets into its Biorythm we'll see a bunch of unbans in a Flash. These unbans might cause some Upheaval and I know a few players are having a Recurring Nightmare about some of the scarier cards. I think everything will be fine and the format will Balance out. Just sit back and Channel some good vibes.
We might have to say Farewell to some friends that Slip Out the Back, but that's the Price of Progress.
Iona salt of emeria,
Prophet of whose turn is it,
and Coaliton oracle.
The never ending "standard discussion" that amounts to "Just play 80% cheap removal and hope for the best!" is such a crummy solution for an entire format...
The power nine is only valuable if enough people want to buy them. Eventually the old school players who see that as nostalgic will die off, will the new players who's core memories of the game revolve around the current crop of chase cards still care about cards that weren't playable for 30 years before they played? I don't think that it will ever completely fade away, but I can't see how the value wont drop eventually.
Darksteel Citadel in the Armageddon meta “Come at me bro”
49:12 cataclysm 🎉 wildfire 🎉 humility. ❤ gg green bois
57:05 I actually think a Black Lotus sale surpassed the One Ring again, at around 3 million dollars. It was like a PSA 9.5 Alpha Lotus iirc
What about Faded Lotus 0 to add (3) generic mana?
Didn't Lotus sold for 3 million or something more than the Post Ring?
Is there a list for Richards brew anywhere? Insult// injury is one of my favorite magic cards and I would love a build with it that works in modern.
11:46 new is fear if missing out and marvin
i think fear of missing out is very solida s its a discard outlet for tree and a very solid threat on its own
I play armageddon all the time in 8-9 lobbies and it's a blast, really just ends games quickly and is good against simic nonsense
I'm surprised Seth keeps saying he would never have believed Tree of Perdition would be in a tournament winning deck. Isn't this kind of thing very common? We just had a broken combo deck with Shuko and Outrider en Kor, we have other combo decks playing Parhellion II, Hidden Strings, Young Wolf, Codex Shredder etc. Bad cards are part of combo decks all the time.
Yeah Pioneer! I love this format
Armageddon never left my decks. Ravages of War getting a reprint in Fallout was one of my favourite mtg moments. The card isn't an issue if you know how to use it - create board presence, have wins on the board, cast.
Commander dictating the prices of cards is both the best and worst thing for enjoyers of real magic. Armageddon and primetime spiking in value for literally no reason has my blood boiling for some reason though
1:00:03 The 1 of 1 Luffy, King of the Pirates card. Exclusively in Japanese full art textless foil.
Can you please do a bonus episode of all the best fish mail from the year as and end of year special treat?
Damn I might have to give explorer a go... in six months... once I have enough wildcards to build a deck.
One mana bounce like Into the Floodmaw is very underrated in Standard right now. It dunks on both Leyline and Abhorrent Oculus, two of the breakouts of Duskmourne.
Actually an Alpha Near Mint graded Black Lotus was sold this year for 3 million usd, leaving behind The One Ring by a huge margin. Officially Black Lotus IS themost expensive magic card :)
As a timeless player, the tournament has me eyeing explorer. I’ll have to give Phoenix a try
Ian Robb plays MTG as well as Pokemon? For those wondering, he is the guy who got DQ'd at Pokemon Worlds this year for making a certain gesture at his opponent in the top 8.
Lightning Axe might be decent for the Screaming Nemesis deck, discard to turn on delirium for unholy heat and 5 damage to the nemesis
Richard should run overlord of the hauntwoods! Best way to get domain
People do interact with black lotus in modern mtg because it's so highly referenced in cards and culture. Jeweled Lotus, Lotus Field, Lotus Bloom and such all keep the legend alive. Similar with Mox.
Time Walk is shorthand for skipping someone's turn as a very generically powerful thing to do in any board game.
But I do very rarely ever think about time vault.
I want to believe that tier 4 will include cards that require counter spells or other forms of Stack interaction. If that is the case, biorhythm and Coalition Victory should be easy to unban
that tournament was pretty good
I actually started playing some arena to draft and played standard to farm some gold and it is actually so much fun. I have seen like 10 decks that I was "wow, what, this is so cool" 😮
So how many $20+ cards did it have? Most decks are tourney level if you can stick an agathas cauldron in it.
I always thought when crim said he is hunting red itsca metaphorical thing.
Checking the time your prey is most active? He was NOT joking.😅
Honestly, considering that Prime Time is legal in Historic Brawl, I wouldn’t be surprised if they made him legal in Commander.
Armageddon is valid, its been in the game longer than me 😂
Welp, gonna build that Pioneer Ninjas list now 🥷
I'm holding out hope we get more ninjas in standard. Maybe as soon as foundations?
A black lotus recently sold for $3 million dollars making it the most expensive magic card ever sold, even beating the one of one ring.
the current pioneer meta since the banning has managed to pull me back into playing the format, it's finally feeling like a real format.
Standard is absolutely fantastic rn i do agree with the leyline of resonance take that seth has it feels way too fast for Standard and not a very fun play pattern
Crim i really need tgis decklist please^^
Anyone else notice the new pay wall on arena?
Goldfish Rules Committee tiering top EDH cards when?
fomo was probably huge for the plan b backup plan
They'd at least try to balance white lotus by only allowing you to activate it if an opponent controls more lands than you.
We only win once.... but it's two hours of winning... once.
Crash is relative. 1st edition Charizard was worth a little more at the end of 2020 than it's worth today. Considering inflation it has actually gone down in value slowly. I think the same thing will happen with the power nine if you look forward 5 years.
I agree with Crim on Leyline. It's a fun card and if it's banned, aggro will be fine. If there has to be a ban, I'd prefer WotC to ban something less interesting
Black lotus is the highest selling card again at 3 mil
I hope for the best healthy choice for commander ban list according to a clean format for playing at cons/magic fest type events. For my personal play groups and if you play against me then please play cardboard. Anything goes, and if it creates a one sided game then at least I am with friends whom I love and I can ask to choose a different deck next game. But yes, when you play magic you should play any cardboard legal and if that is MLD then sweet!
I can’t play Armageddon? 🥺
If I can play my dockside 😊
@@JonReid01 Only one of those two are banned…
Having played with and against mono red Leyline aggro, I don’t think it’s a huge problem because it can be pretty brittle. The worst version though is leyline rot priest.
I think its crazy that atraxa still hasn't been banned anywhere given how its the premier cheat into play creature in multiple formats at this point.
Because there will always be a premiere cheat into play creature it's a pointless ban outside of Standard
Props to Crim when it comes to trolling this guy is Lebron James. The GOAT.
If you don’t want to play against Armageddon then don’t build a level 4 deck. I guess I agree with that reasoning 🤔
37:20 The Leyline is so fragile, Seth. Yes, they have nut draws, but they also have so many nonfunctional hands. I only play Bo3, where it is there from time to time. But it is not oppressive at all. And if you hate losing to it, UW Enchanties beats it up a ton.
I mean we kinda interact with black lotus. With cards like lotus field, lotus petal, jeweled lotus, gilded lotus, etc. They are all just call backs and keep black lotus in the public’s mind.
Difference between charizard and black lotus is huge, like everybody collected pokemon cards as a kid, nobody played, everybody played magic as a kid, nobody had a lotus. It still had a mystique and appeal to early players but I think the rise of power is done, I mean the 50 year old wealthy people who buy them will age out and there isn't a new group of people looking to pick them up, difference between charizard and lotus is lotus was a play piece and charizard was always a collectible and the same thing will happen to Charizard eventually but it's got a longer shelf life than Lotus because of the new wave of young pokemon collectors, that got into through influencers specifically hyping up that card and that just doesn't exist in magic.
If I have to wait until I’m 80 to pick up a lotus I’ll wait. I’d love to have a real one
Some 25 year old not wealthy enough yet person will buy it if only as a flex to other players
@@TheEvolver311 It won't be a flex, the price will fall, demand will fall, that's my point, it's only that specific generation that's interested in it, like the other guy said, he thinks he'd still be interested in owning one at 80 but the generation after him won't have the same interest in it. It's not the amount of people that would like one that creates demand, it's the amount of people that want one at a certain price and demand is going to sharply decline within the next couple decades
Tree of Perdition...perhaps I treated you too harshly
How do you deal damage through a one ring? I’m confused
Insult:
Damage can't be prevented this turn. If a source you control would deal damage this turn, it deals double that damage instead.
Protection means cannot be:
Blocked by
Targeted by
Damaged by
Enchanted by
If you stop the prevent damage bit, you can kill through it. The same even applies to say Teferi’s Protection… if you poison/commander damage them to death.
@@OhSarcasticOne but you can’t target the player, can you?
Why stop at White Lotus. They can do all colors. Red Lotus for 3 red mana and so on. The black one could be called blackest Lotus or something so it is distinct from the actual black lotus
When Red Leyline wins on turn 2, it really feels like we haven't played a game of Magic. I'd like to see it go and can't imagine 3 years of it hanging around! Red still got a DSK upgrade with Turn Inside Out and has plenty of turn 3 win combos.
I think Post Melone buying the one ring was a paid marketing Act 😢
My decks run light LD no matter what 😂
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There is nothing wrong with Armageddon... hot take I guess
I think Pioneer is good but I dont know how good standard is. I dont see many standard events fireing and I live in an urban area. It feels like Commander the Gathering is the only format that exists in paper anymore. Both Limited formats are the worst they've ever been and it's always been my favorite way to play.
Standard has never been "popular" it was heavily played because it was the format with the most competitive support from WotC.
We have Pioneer, Modern and Standard events every weekend at my lgs but Standard is still mostly try hards looking for the prize
I'm sorry, but NO ONE who actually plays Pioneer regularly for longer than 2 weeks, thought that Phoenix would be a problem, because EVERYONE in that position knew the reason for phoenix rise. Rakdos had a 2 card combo that rekt control - The End.
It's just super annoying when ppl doomsay stuff they have only surface level knowledge about. I believe when Seth talks about Modern or Commander...but Pioneer? Heck no.
And I called it back on the ban-list video too...
I mean...the question is: Why would ANYONE believe that Phoenix will be problematic, when it wasn't one before the Sorin Rakdos deck was the most played version?
It really bothers me, because people parrot this stuff.
57:25 sorry but as long as bl is as expensive as it is I'll never buy one
What do you know Izzet Phoenix is again only the 3rd best deck if that possibly 4th like i said when the last bannings happened and everyone acted like some how it wouldn't be BRx dominated still😊
Tournament results are not the meta.😂
Pretty confused by Crim's opinion on the leyline deck. Saying he thinks it is maybe fine when he then goes on to say he has been playing a deck that is strictly designed to hard counter it but that deck then also LOSES TO EVERY OTHER DECK. Kind of a weird take on the situation and makes me lose any credibility for that opinion.
Having said that I do agree it may not necessarily need a ban in bo3 but in no world should it exist a minute longer in bo1 and every day that passes is just another failure by the wotc testing department as far as I'm concerned. Bo1 games are already heavily dictated by the first coin flip of who is on the play and then if you don't have a hand with 1 mana interaction you might have already lost without even knowing it yet.
Bo1 always favors extremely narrow strategies. Either all out aggro or super controlling anti-aggro or if we are in a dark timeline a fast enough combo deck.
This podcast hypes how great the current slate of constructed formats are, from standard through to Modern. And yet we're just as worried about WoTC and RC merging? I know that's not the point of this video, but it feels so weird to hear glowing reviews of wizard-run formats and then on the next video hear hyperbole about WoTC has ruined formats they manage
There have been a lot of podcasts over the past few years about how bad most/all of the format were. I'm happy that formats are in a good place at the moment (minus Modern, at least for me), but the concern for Commander comes more from how Wizards has managed formats for the past decade rather than how the are right this minute.
Fish mail like Lindsey Buckingham is always getting cut for time.
There is no such thing as FNM modern. Modern hasn't fired in month because no one wants to play it.
A month? Try a year
Now our LGS has Dragonball on Friday's with lots of players, and 4/6 guys for Modern, sometimes even less than that....
Its unfair because the interaction is actually so terrible.
Its becoming my least favourite format when it used to be my favourite because you can't just play a fun midrange game of magic.
Pioneer hasn't been a mud-range fair deck format ever.
Unban Griselbrand!
Unban PrimeTime and Griselbrand
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When a deck is good it's unfair to Richard. When a deck is some random midrange, it's bad and dies to removal and is unplayable.
His opinions are literally the same regardless of the deck and it's absolutely insufferable. The incarnation deck is pretty fair and you can roll it over with side board stuff. You can't win any argument with someone who has immovable opinions.
"What fair decks are still winning tournaments?! Oh but it has these cards so it's unfair" 😂😂😂
Which of the top 8 pioneer decks was fair in your opinion?
I think you are misunderstanding what they mean by "fair". They just mean a deck that doesn't win by cheating mana, or assembling a combo.
@@rjswonson find me a deck that doesn't do this that isn't all vanilla creatures. Synergy is how you win in construction.
@@JonReid01 I don't think any of them are unfair.
@@OtakuTiki
Most of them are combo decks