Beyond Power Voltra I Review: Home Gym Future Tech…Today!
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
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0:00 - Beyond Power Voltra I Review: Home Gym Future Tech…Today!
0:10 - How the Voltra I Works
2:10 - Overview
2:53 - Hardware and Beyond Power's Philosophy
4:10 - The benefits of a Direct-Drive Motor
5:34 - User Interface and the Companion App
6:52 - Potential Damage Concerns
8:09 - Demonstrating The "Attachment Slam" Issue
9:05 - The Use-Replaceable Battery
10:02 - The Replaceable "Strong as Steel" Cable
11:14 - Regular ol' Carabiners 🙌
11:52 - Fit and Finish & the Voltra's Thoughtful Design
12:24 - Software and Different Resistance Modes
15:28 - If One is Good, Two Must be Better. Right...?
16:30 - Overview of Mount Quality and Pricing
18:23 - 1st Party Cable Attachments
19:32 - Pricing and Value (Buckle Up...)
20:41 - Coop's Recommendation and Alternatives to Consider
24:00 - Coop Illustrates the MULTITUDE of Different Uses
28:38 - Thoughts on Price and Hopes for the Future
29:49 - Is Guided Training Available?
30:23 - Final Thoughts
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5 year warranty and I will buy it. 12month just shows that they got no confidence in their product.
Yes and no. Rep only warranties the Ares for 1 year. Granted repairing an ares or Athena is dirt cheap. I do agree with you though this is a more complicated product and a $2K paper weight if it breaks. Also the $400 propriatary battery is insane maintenance.
@trollzone1 I don't think that a 'mechanical' gear such as REP Ares is a right comparison - I mean the thing that can possibly breaks are the pulleys, the cable or stuff like that - even after warranty you could fix it by your self with basic, available tools. Now, Voltra 1 is a high-tec electronic device... if it breaks after warranty - your done, this thing is just a brick, a paperweight.
@@Jacob_Ryfen you literally said the same thing I did…all I was saying was it’s not necessary a sign a manufacturer isn’t confident in their product. Nearly all treadmills have a 1 yr warranty they’re probably copying the terms that are common in the industry.
@@trollzone1Oh, sorry I misunderstood - my bad!
@Jacob_Ryfen it turns into a dedicated grip trainer at that point 😂
Nothing in the fitness industry over 1,000 dollars should have less than a 5 year warranty
Hey guys, big ups to Coop for checking us out. We understand the concern about the one-year warranty so we'll try to address that. Our decision is based on the portable design of VOLTRA, which means it's likely to be used in a variety of places and potentially on the road, increasing the potential for wear and tear. This warranty is in place to prevent mishandling and ensure product integrity. However, we plan to implement:
- Extended maintenance care for replacement parts at low cost (unlimited cable replacement in certain period for example).
- An extended warranty at a fair cost.
- Standalone, replaceable parts for those who opt out of care plan (battery and cable replacements are up, but price is TBC).
We'll also add our batteries are solid, we anticipate at least 3-5 years of battery life, this is definitely not something that needs replacing annually. This is designed for high performance facilities!
Cheers guys and hope that helps.
Free to the reviewer, too expensive for the followers.
I don't know if this is already possible but: Can the device be used while in charge? If yes, can it draw power directly from the AC outlet plug instead from the battery when plugged in? the reason I ask is some people may have this device in a set place and not be moved around so much, so drawing directly from the power plug can help the battery last longer.
Can you elaborate on the "plan to"s? Like how far out are these plans to be implemented? And would they be retroactive--could I buy a unit now, and then buy some extended warranty or care plan later when you roll it out?
This looks great but there is no way in hell I would buy this with a 12mo warranty. And everyone assumes that you will actually honor claims and be able to replace these smoothly for customers because I'd be surprised to find out if it is very repairable internally. I'd be looking at maybe a 12mo unlimited, 36 mo prorated and a 60 mo extended warranty option at a minimum
I'd love to see two steel knobs to dial weight and modes. Looks amazing to implement
I think this definitely has a place in the future of home gyms, especially small spaces. I forsee Gen2 offering more resistance options but until the price comes down I think it'll be on the fringe of home gym use.
That price and the warranty 😂
Better hope the eccentric movement doesn’t glitch when doing those neck movements 😵😵
lol
they can make a clear hard plastic flip cover to the screen area for a quick fix on protecting the screen. flip up the screen set your weight flip the screen back down.
(Long comment, sorry folks) With respect to all commenting this price is too high, until you actually use this in practice, you have no idea how extraordinarily good it is. I’ve had one for three days and as Coop stated, it’s literally hospital grade form, fit, finish and function. This level of engineering and intelligent design at the bit/byte/bolt level is something I’ve very, very rarely experienced in a consumer product and NEVER in a first generation model. Every little detail, down to something as simple as their sliding rail mounting bracket is, from a design and engineering perspective, brilliantly done and overbuilt but deceptively simple to use (belying the intellectual horsepower required to design something clearly complex in function that can be used on different racks and yet so robust and simple in operation). The Voltra has 75lbs more resistance than my Rogue CT-1 Cable Tower (that I previously loved until I used the Voltra) but the CT-1 cost $3500 shipped, unloadable only via forklift and is now a 700lb 108” unintelligent immovable monolith in my garage. The Voltra has multiple very legitimate and useful resistance modes many of which just can’t be recreated with a traditional cable stack (weight stack, bands, dynamic resistance, an assistance feature, chains, eccentric overload, tbd as Beyond Power expands this). It is incredibly smart both on screen and in its app and yet (very hard to do) also VERY easy and intuitive to use on both and does all of this in something the size of a loaf of bread that weighs 13lbs. This level of portability, the unique resistance profiles and its intelligence enables replacement in my home gym of a lot more than my cable stack (or if I had two) a functional trainer but it is vastly superior in feel and functionally to both. For comparison: The Rogue FT-1 is $6500, weighs 1600lbs, has two 250 lb 2:1 stacks (or 125lb per side), is 90”x47”x107.5”, doesn’t actually give you a functionally tall trainer because the massive double pulley trolley hangs down very low and also ships only via freight and requires your own forklift to get off the truck. The Rep Ares is a rack add on (not for tall lifters with only a 93” option), has a 310 lb upgraded 2:1 stack (or 155lbs of resistance per stack) and starts at $3099. The Rep Arcadia starts at $2319 and is a FT with an upgraded 2:1 stack of 220lbs each (or 110lbs per stack) and the Rep FT-5000 has 2:1 224 lb stacks (or 122 lbs each) for $2499. None of these can practically also serve as a lat pulldown tower or a cable row machine as they’re too short and the single stack resistance of all of these is too low for most. If you add the cost of a single stack and/or a FT and a lat tower and a cable row machine, it’s going to be a lot more than $5K for two Voltras and mounts and none will have the impossible to replicate on dumb cable stacks, resistance profiles, an intelligent GUI and app again all in the size of a loaf of bread (x2 if you have two) that you can mount anywhere on your rack or garage gym. Beyond replacing a FT, cable stack, lat tower and cable machine, I think we’re just looking at the tip of the iceberg for what this Voltra can legitimately replace as I’ve been playing around with mounting on the low rail of my Monster rack and it turns into a vertical path calf raise either seated or standing (with feet on the rail) that feels as good as any machine I’ve used. Using that same bottom rack rail mounting point and standing on opposite sides of the rail, it serves as a perfectly vertical path belt squat (using a dip belt) and 200lbs of vertical resistance feels VERY hard, like the Squatmax MD (except I don’t have to straddle a 45lb plate) and if I had two, would be more resistance than I’d ever need. As far as the warranty concerns, I completely understand them and these were my concerns too as a cable stack is going to be hard to wear out and relatively easy to repair but I also understand Beyond Power’s recent statement about how to fairly warranty something like this that is so portable, so capable and yet will be subjected, as overbuilt as it is, to extreme user environments and conditions. I can say my experience with the company (I have no affiliation) has been extraordinarily good in a couple of exchanges I’ve had (super responsive, WAY above and beyond on everything). I can also say that a product with this much R&D and testing, a company who designed something this spectacularly good, this over-engineered, this beautifully built and designed with user replaceable components in mind from the ground up is just not going to skimp on customer support and or in standing behind their product. They need to sell boxes, lots of them and their support of this first gen is going to be critical to company viability so there can be second, third gen etc. There are a lot of great home gym companies doing exciting things. Beyond Power has done something uniquely special here though with (clearly) a big budget and a very smart, very talented team that really knows this space by creating a product in the Voltra I that I really didn’t think would be possible. This isn’t hype, this thing is really this good in practical use. It seems like a product from 10-15 years in the future or a tool to be used by NASA on a Mars expedition. In my opinion, the Voltra, after just a few days, is multiple levels above, from a function, performance, usefulness and space saving perspective, than anything else I’ve ever used.
Prices starting at 2.990 Euros in Europe, which is around 3.200 USD. Probably i have to wait for the copy from China 🤣
Wait... did I see they also want $500 for a single wall mounted upright?! Super cool tech but they seem like they gouge on every part possible. $350 for a travel case, $40 for a single cheap D handle... when keppi rips off the tech ill give it a shot
yeah shit is annoying
Haha..keppi get at it
As Flossy Carter would say, "the price is too god damn high"
Very cool! Happy to hear it doesn't need a subscription by default.
Yet…
Would love to see a video where you create and show the versatility of what you were describing: the ultimate, clean, space efficient gym where budget isn’t the issue but space is at a premium (say a 10 x 11 room).
This is a great idea!!
Shogun Flex is basically a rebranded Unitree Pump …. They are identical
The price is obviously high but not without providing the value. Its better than a full cable machine in every way and comparable in price.
Can you do a follow-up a year from this review? They just released some updates to Voltra that look interesting. It would be nice to get a sense of how things compare after a year's worth of updates.
no need to worry about the cable we use the same thing just larger at my job every day, synthetic slings can lift an absurd amount of weight. Ive cut them with an exacto knife before, even with a fresh blade they are VERY hard to cut through
there is an early adopter on youtube with a frayed cable after 6 months.
@@turdrhinofiend frayed and ripped are very different though , fraying could be a problem but you could probably just take a lighter to bad spots on the cord
I ordered this based on your review. I have a small apartment with attached garage and I’m building my home gym in it - space is a premium and I was sold on the compact size and the eccentric function. I ordered this April 17, arrived April 29. So far I LOVE IT!!!! I got the adaptive mount and basic handle with it. I have a Rogue Monster Lite power rack I bought in March - it fits great. I also ordered the Rep tricep rope at the same time - it works great with it. I’ve got a leg attachment in the mail. I’m about to order the bar mount and carbon bar, wish I would have gotten them at the same time. I’m super excited about it, even if the color is terrible.
200lbs max is enough?
Can you program drop sets? I.e. can the unit automatically change the resistance after a predetermined number of reps.
Thank you for your thorough review. Just ordered a Voltra I with platform, adjustable rack mount and bar mount.
You left out the feature about being able to slack the cord to a different starting point which I think is one of the best features
He mentioned more in depth features in the unboxing
@@explosev6513 I watched both, he didn’t really cover that feature at all.
@@explosev6513 not really. Since this was in depth review he should have covered the pros of it here.
He mentioned it when he showed the neck training helmet in use
It is super cool, but the price is just a straight up no go. You can get a full functional trainer for just 1 of those.. and to use one of those, you need a rack.. you can get a speediance for one of those..
It looks awesome and such, but the price is just absolutely insane and the warranty being 12 months... something sketchy about that.
Yes, Rep T 5000 and bench is a better option and save a bunch of money
Well done Coop. Always enjoy your reviews. Love from middle earth New Zealand .
This looks amazing. I have been researching home equipment mostly needing to get weights and this seems more realistic to have in a small apartment. Now I need to win a small lottery and I’m set!
I went to the gym for the first time ever in December 2023. I went for 2 hours, 2 days. I never got to use the machine I thought I wanted and while trying to work out my only my legs I got a killer upper body workout moving plates on and off and on and off. When I finally got into a leg machine I did not fit in it properly and did not get to use it.
On the second day I almost witnessed a hate crime in the washroom and after my friend I went with told me he was going to move to another city for work I have not gone since.
In 2021 I got 4 unofficial world records riding my exercise bike and have needed to also be lifting to progress but cannot fit into a gym or its schedule. This really seems like the answer I have been looking for. Thank you for showing me this.
Great review. I like the videos of the workouts showing some of the ideas for using it!
Use it to replace the weight stack on a REP Athena/Ares. You could have the same setup as the Athena, but with a 4 post rack. The adjustable handle on the front of the rack would be away from the LCD screen, minimizing the chances of cracking the screen. You also would save the cost of the additional uprights and crossmembers which would make the cost of that setup cheaper and you don’t need to worry about the cost of shipping 200-300 lb weight stacks. Also, the installation process on the rack becomes much easier and could be done in minutes vs hours.
If you could also use that same system and attach it to lever arms it would be tremendous as well. It would make it far easier to move them up and down the rack as you something lighter like the mutant metal handles instead of the giant steel handle with attached weight horns.
this
Imagine a setup where you can attach it to a harness or a belt and do calisthenic workouts. Push-ups, pull ups, bent over rows, etc and just make everything assisted or weighted as the user's level changes.
I really want a pair to serve as a functional trainer in a small space but I need 4 things first:
1. Color options (black please)
2. Screen protection (maybe a flip cover)
3. Sync mode
4. Better warranty
5. (Bonus) get that price down
Agreed
On the price drop have you seen any for sale on 2nd hand markets ?
Great product. I’d definitely love one, especially for the portability factor. I think the reason they don’t include the mount is because people would obviously have their preferences and so if they have to keep swapping the default mount out for others anyway, why not just have it as a separate purchase. That being said, the cost is already high and adding more onto the package makes it even more prohibitive for more people. As the price comes down, this will become a great piece of training equipment that I can see a lot of people using.
I want two. I'd use two bar attachments on an olympic bar to supplement the few plates i'd have on hand. That way I wouldn't be limited to the 200lb per side and still don't have to move around plates between sets.
The 1 year warranty is definitely a bummer. I'll be waiting a few years to see how these things hold up to regular use. This would be a great video idea for Coop.
You seem like a primed sucker, bet you give in within a month or 2
Love the production value man
Just constructed my home gym, so first off, thanks Coop! I would love to get the Power Voltra, it would fit perfectly in my basement gym, ceiling only go to 79 inches, and with limited space, so many, if not all functional trainers just won't fit. This would be perfect but I can't justify 2.1-2.2k with just a one year warranty. I'll wait for gen 2 or 3 and see where the price point is then.
A guy did a review on this piece. Check his review out on RUclips, he tells the absolute truth of how the system works and it's condition when used consistently.
He said he trained 3-4 times a week with it and the cables only made it 5 months before they started to fray, shred. He shows the frayed cable and I would not trust the cable he showed.
He did not tell how to handle the situation as he had not reached out to the company yet to see how they were gonna fix it so buyer beware.
Honestly though for $5400 or more to your door for 2 of these units, one for each arm, imagine what you could buy for your gym with that kind of money.
Entirely too expensive for the average home gym guy/girl.
That's how much I paid for my rogue rhino, my rogue rack, and like 6 plates. You can get a whole ass gym for that price. You could even get a rack and full set of weight stack cable machines for less than I paid for the rack and rhino, and those are high end prices. You can get a whole gym with machines if you go with the chinese companies and all those options will pretty much last your entire life. The pricing makes no sense.
That’s some good info.
More people should read this
@@btam83
Thnkx, I just think people should have access to as much info out there when thinking about spending this kind of money.
I love Coop but we know he gets free stuff and to keep that train rolling he can't afford to be 100% honest.
Not just him almost all reviewers are like that.
We know how the game is played.
I spoke with Gluck about reviewing this product and he said he is not reviewing it because Beyond Power told him they would send him the unit but he would have to send it back and they also would not give him an affiliate link or sponsor the video. When he asked why they said they dont send out free stuff and reviewers are buying it to review so he asked around and found out that was not true and we both know Coop did not buy this piece but he has been around the longest and has the highest following. When I saw that frayed cord I thought everyone should know this.
Take Care
Coop, you need to look into unitree's products, the pump and the upcoming max. 155 pounds of resistance.
Just ordered based on your review. The feedback on the utility of one versus two sold me. 15-20 day delivery. The portability is going to be huge for me. This upgrades my work AND home gym. May find a way to incorporate this into RV travel as well.
Mount it to the front square tube landing gear of my fifth wheel.
How's it going? Thinking about buying this to make the ultimate "smallest gym with the highest quality pieces" that Coop alluded to.
Would be really nice if they also had modular motors so that you buy the outer shell and choose your motor. Also great for switching out a damaged/broken one in the future.
You can adjust the cables starting position, that would protect it from the cable snapping back into it
I love your videos and this seems awesome. Do you think this is better for eccentric training va a flywheel?
Nice review coop this is a cool 😎 gym equipment
Very cool that you can vary concentric and eccentric resistance. Also wild to see that thing shoot back. I like the carabiner aspect as I would be so annoyed to invest this much and then not be able to use attachments I already have
This with the isolator would be cool to see
It's actually an ideal piece of "smart gym" equipment; it's in addition to rather than instead of, but $2500 is a lot to pay for accessory work. It will not replace free weights any time soon.
10 year motor claim but 1 year warranty hmmm. At this price for equipment thats battery alone cost 400 to replace is kinda wild
I rather have it plug into the wall instead of relying on a battery. One more thing to worry about charging...
I was reading a review from someone who says it does work plugged in while charging. But also read from someone else that it doesn’t. So…
My thoughts exactly. I don't want to have to recharge my gym equipment.
The most tempted I have ever been to drop this kind of $$$ on weight stuff. The big plus for me (Coop skipped over) was that this really goes up in 1lb increments; and with the damping and eccentric variables, seems pretty unlimited on use.
To me, the major use case is small muscle work. Think about face pulls, being able to progress in 1lb increments. Or side/rear laterals--how many stacks do you see where you are basically stuck, can't make the next jump without breaking form, but you are "stale" at your current load? Pressdowns, curls with extra eccentric. Core work.
If I get this, it will be for delts, rotator cuff, and arm work
Well said. Most people are morons and think they need to be doing compound lifts with big weights with cable machines. No. That is not what cables are designed for. You bench with a barbell, you deadlift with a barbell, you row with a barbell / dumbbells... you do smaller, lighter-weight accessory movements with cables. 200lbs. is completely fine for this device.
Man putting your head in that harness and trusting that thing in that position is so sketch, so much length left on that cable. I have a Vitruvian, so I'm familiar with the software aspect of lifting. If there was a bug or something and that pulled your neck back you'd be dead.
This is the future of commercial gyms. I'm impressed.
Coop, when you do your review on the unitree pump, I’m hoping you will be able to get multiple units and compare the syncing across units vs this product. I currently sync 6 unitrees together 3 on each side) for eccentric squats (180lb up and 260lb down) and would be curious if the syncing feels about the same as this unit. I personally like the unitree for the very flexible mounting options and the price (about 1/2 the cost of this device for about the same weight) but I don’t have a perspective on the how the weights feel vs this product. Thanks for a great review (as always)!
Woah, you use 6 at a time?! Please, tell me more. Sounds like you're a power user and a big believer, I'd love to hear your experiences before I review. - Coop
@@GarageGymReviews Yeah, I know sounds like I'm nuts! I'm not sure if my use cases is all that common. I travel internationally a TON and was looking for some very portable options what would fit in my carry-on bags for lifting that could be mounted on just about anything (e.g., door jams, trees, my feet, etc) which was why I gravitated towards these. I purchased the first 2 from their kickstarter very inexpensively.. I then got two more when amazon ran a coupon for $50 off and finally picked up the last two on eBay... my average costs for each one is like $180 which made it a pretty affordable option for the weight I was getting. In all fairness, I only have used all 6 at the same time a handful of times (legs - I am able to anchor - using the foot anchor - them on the corners of my homemade or Harambee band platform). Normally I'm using 2-4 for things like lat pull downs, curls, triceps extension and flies - usually anchored to door jams in hotel rooms. I really like using the eccentric option and found that while it's not perfect, it syncs pretty well across multiple units at the same time. My question in my note was I'm curious as to whether the feeling of these is close to what you experienced with the Voltra. I suspect that the Voltra is better, and for sure, easier to manage vs trying to string together multiple devices, just was curious how much better! Hope this help...
I’m curious about this option as well, do you have a video of how you’re using it? I tried to look for other people with the same use case but haven’t had any lucky. Hopefully you or Coop can show this, because while this Voltra would be perfect for me, I can’t justify the price.
Looks like the cable being used is UHMPE (alike Dyneema) which is stronger than steel cable by diameter, and appears to be around 3/16" or greater which would be about 1500lbs in certain knots, but the replacement kit seems to have a steel anchor plate to minimally reduce strength from 3600lbs or more depending on diameter. Would venture the anchor plate is the weak spot for the cable, and the mounting system to the bracket the weakest point in the whole system.
I love the Voltra, but make no mistake: The feel is unique to itself, not quite weighted cable or any other form of resistance. As far as letting go, that seems like a bad habit with any equipment..
In your "less-but-better" (minimalist) gym, would you include the Exxentric Kbox?
Imagine if these had apps, bunch of presets like for dropsets (drops weight every 8reps or so) and sharable workout programs.
Do u think the rack mount could attach to a speediance where the holes are and would u recommend that?
For lat pull down one would need a leg stopper. Do you have any suggestion of a good standalone leg stopper to go with this unit?
They need mounting option when traveling. I'm thinking something like what TRX does with door jams. The travel platform is nice for curls and deadlifts, but if i could get this to be secure on a door jam, it becomes a legit cable machine on the go
Try the inverse resistance band mode! Really cool for pull-ups
Doing those head raises if that thing malfunctioned, went to 200lbs it would not have been pretty. Super cool but glitches in software happen all the time so just be careful coop.
Doing some gymnastics moves on the rings!!
Connecting it to the bar attachment, using the carabiner as a connector between the cable and a harness that taking some of your weight down
Like a “dream machine”
This one is a totally game changer in this world
P.S will also work amazing with the one arm pull up too, as you can lower down the resistance of the rope as you progress
Many interesting use cases.
How does the resistance and specifically the eccentric overload comes to a flywheel? I have a K pulley and may consider changing to the Volta.
Are they coming out with a belt squat platform like the K-box? How long is the rope?
For the issue of possibly breaking the glass, why not have a simple pulley system so your release is not directly in line with the unit?
The cable looks like it’s amsteel it’s a big item in the outdoors equipment scene: water, climbing, hammocks, ect. That cable looks like it’s 1/4 or 4/16ths cables so it’s rated for 7,400/11,900 lb.
There is another product by Unitree called the PUMP that is similar. I have been using it with its door anchors at clients homes that is a more budget option. Resistance only up to 45 lb s
ok this is fricking amazing! Available in Europe? 🙏🙏🙏
Coop, what's the weight tolerance on these units as you progress up to 200lbs?
Few things to note:
I can see these products putting the band market like X3 and Harambe out of business soon. Less hassle, more exact, multiple settings, etc.
This makes me a little less interested in the Adonis. Still interested in the review but A new contender for my “hard earned dollars” has entered the room. All cable machines have been put on notice. Tech is coming in hard so companies will either have to lower their prices or find a way to work WITH these machines.
If you took the Spud belt squat belt that comes with the Rhino, and connected it to 2 of them high on a rack, could maybe use it as a “saddle” to do assisted pull-ups and dips?
So many exercises could be done if 2 of them could somehow be “synced” to provide exact same resistance at exact same time.
Some sort of specialty bar (like Marrs or SSB with cable attachments) and could do good mornings, better platform could do belt squats, etc.
Options are insane with a little creativity.
Love on tonal how you can apply the weight from the handle when you are in a safe lifting position. If these guys offered even a delay on applying weight and gave you a few seconds to get into position that would be a killer feature. Hoping for a software update that includes this.
The concept is great, how you can adjust the load on different phases of the exercise.
The price, warranty etc? yeah when anything is 'new/the only' it does have negatives as a consumer.
....nevertheless I want one, well two, you get the drift. ;)
A 12 month limited warranty that only seems to cover manufacturing defects (which I'm sure they will attempt to wiggle out of) is a GIANT red flag for something this expensive. That is an absolute deal breaker. Glad you called that out.
To be honest this is kind of a must have for a new gym build. My gym woukd be basically the same as yours but with kyubell rather than or alongside the adjustable dumbells
the twin mode been out of sync is concerning could you explain this a little more is there a software fix for this or is it that having two motors can never be in sync ? also you think the hardware is like tonal where they stick with the 1 unit and build around it or there will be different generations to come
I truley think this product or one similar will be the next essential versatile option same as a dumbell/barbell/cable(now replaced). There are just too many applications for this. One thing I hope they program would be the inverse of band tension, replicating what something like Prime equipment can accomplish.
I also want to know how the battery holds up in lower temp. My gym is in an unfinished garage and it could get sub freezing at this time of year. I still use it to work out as long as it’s above 34 during the day.
Do they not have a mode opposite to 'chains' or 'bands' - i.e. the resistance gets lighter the further away from the unit the handle is? That would take advantage of stretch-mediated hypertrophy much better
They just released a reverse band mode on Friday via firmware update. So cool. - Coop
looking good in this ep coop, might be that sweater lol
Not that you would or should... but if you loop this through a separate pulley would that solve the snap back problem or does it not work with a pulley?
I don’t have room for a full dual sided rack, but maybe one vertical rack piece that I could bolt directly to a wall stud. They have something like this to sell. Is theirs good or would you buy some other single vertical rack piece?
How does it compare to the Exxentric System?
How long is the cable? I have a cable machine in my basement but it's short since I only have 8' ceilings down there so the stack can't move very far because of the design of the machine. This basically completely negates room considerations which might be worth the money depending on how limited your space is.
A tip for a firmware update for the company, called "the infinity set". You set your starting weight, the number of reps per weight decrease, and the amount of weight decrease. For example, start at 100lbs and every 5 reps reduce 5lbs, then you just go until you basically pass out. Consider it like a continuous delay free drop set.
The ability to set different weights for the concentric and eccentric is really cool.
Nobody is even noticing Coop continually bringing the sleeper style: GW5000U SPOTTED.
Damn fine taste.
is it possible to do movements like power cleans or jump squats with this?
Could probably attach this to a pull-up bar above in a rack for reverse band movements to deload bottom positions and vice verse as a way to add accommodating resistance to barbell movements. No more extensive setups for band or chain training on big powerlifting movements.
How about an XL version with 300 pounds of resistance?
Regarding the LCD screen crack potential, maybe it should be relocated to the end opposite the motor?
The damper feature is interesting to me. Coop, is it possible to use the damper setting to create deadlift reps the are grind reps. Screw the mount into your deadlift platform, load up a barbell to say 85% your max, attach it to the bar and have it keep the bar speed slow and grindy.
This is a really unique stimulus that I don’t think anything else can do
Something like a flywheel KBox is quite close to what you're describing...
ARX does this... For $40,000 (last I checked) 😀
They need to add a strain gauge super slow mode like the ARX systems. That would be a killer. 100% on the dual mode. If they could track rope position (i.e., the amount of extension), they could possibly equalize. Maybe they could do inserts that you put in your weight stack for say a single stack functional trainer with an equalizing pulley.
Would you choose it over the Exxentric Pulley System?
1. This is a very interesting product. Can't wait to see what it becomes.
2. If you want to work towards the one arm pull up, do weighted pull ups.
They might be able to add a mechanism similar to a seatbelt, where the flywheel expands with speed and at a certain point it catches and stops. They could also create a cage or metal cover for the screen
Excellent!
They could easily remove some features to being doen the price point. 1 Remove the battery and make it plug in. 2 If making it 2x or 3x larger makes it cheaper, do that.
Is there a way to attach one to a tree, pole or post, using a strap?
7:30 They need to detect rope tension in the direct drive motor sys, they can use current monitoring, an encoder for speed tracking, or a dedicated rope tension sensor, each with its own advantages and complexity.
That thing would be totally worth its money, if
- 5y warranty
- a flexible mount, e.g. to put between doors & frames to have a travel gym!
I'd order it yesterday!
Btw, regarding the e-bike motor comparision, I also crank my e-MTB motor. By now the 5th replacement of it to be precise :) And It just went our of warrenty...
What is the max length of the cable? They showed a broad jump in the b roll.. just wondering...
It looks like the bench press trick can get you killed. 😅 If it pulls 200 pounds backwards and you get the bar on your throat, does it keep pulling?
This looks absolutely insane and like a total gamechanger. If they can get the cost down closer to $1,500 and start offering color options, I feel like it's going to be really hard to justify something like an Ares or dedicated functional trainer over this because of how little space this takes up and how versatile it is. This plus the new Rep adjustable pad that comes with the Adonis will be crazy. I also wonder if they'll come out with a version that's like a two-in-one where you get this cable in the center plus another one (with a longer cable) on the side so that you could attach a pulley to the other side of your rack and use it like a functional trainer without having to have two separate units.
Another perfect opportunity to do an attachment review. I'm specifically requesting one on Maximum Advantage Grip attachments. How do they stack against the knock offs and which ones would recommend and in which order?