A real LEGO Icon with a major flaw - 10330 McLaren MP4/4 & Ayrton Senna detailed building review
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As much as it's a bummer that the rear wheels aren't as wide as they're supposed to be, it's good to see that LEGO is taking steps forward with actually making smooth tyres this time!
For sure. I didn’t buy the technic McLaren because it didn’t have smooth tyres. I believe Daniel Ricarddo also mentioned that in the reveal . Why it has wet tires
Size of rear wheels is a joke.
Agree.
Absolutely agreed. The rear wheels for even the smaller sets are small.
Yeah makes it look like a Formula Ford
Not only the wheels bother me the white on red prints look soooooo of collor i dont like it
Its a yoke, a yoke!! (Fernando Alonso reference)
For the 1x1 prints, there's also the fact that they are non-obvious prints, so having all white 1x1s have the print makes the build easier because there's no chance of using the wrong one
The other reason they include only printed 1x1s for the engine cover bag is that they don't want to let you make the mistake of choosing the unprinted 1x1s for the bit that requires the printed ones, and to only realise after you've buried the printed ones into the assembly itself. This is the same reason why set 76906 (Ferrari 512M) contains 6 of the printed 1x1 plates when only two are visible when built. This is one of those building-experience-trumps-price moments that LEGO is good for.
Make a fucking ! In the beginning of the manual. Cobi has like 8 different Typen of slopes and stuff is fine
I wonder if Balázs will pimp up this set with 3D printed rear wheels. I bet he will.
I hope he shares the stl file too 🤞
"I will definitely fix that soon"
9:30 did you watch the video? :)
Or gets another set and double stack the rears.
he should it would be amazing
@@idonjohnson6999 that might be too wide though
4:05 I believe the Shell pieces are printed because they get partially covered by that piece of the nose cone at 4:20. Lego were probably worried a sticker might cause clearance issues or get damaged by the piece on top
Actually rear wheels are exactly 50% wider. 25x10x13 front, 26x15x13 rear
Where did you get those figures? Google says Fr: 11.75”, R: 16.25” Thats pretty much 40%
It’s funny how other companies like CADA can make larger rear slicks and separate from the rims too, there’s should be no reason why LEGO can’t do this properly.
There are more constraints that come with scale than physical capability
still doesn't explain why cada can do it , if it can be done it can be done simple
yes exactly why a company like cada can achieve it yet a huge company like lego were to lazy to do it
The only reason is money. We idiot customers buy anything, so why put a few more cents in product development?!
An ‘Icon’ set that is actually iconic! Shame about the wheels, didn’t notice it at the reveal
Yes you're not allowed to have tobacco branding on items classified as toys. Also, the Mp4 4/4 did run at some GP's without tobacco branding as it was banned in certain countries even back in 1988.
Yes, but make a rounded chevron like design..
I'm really surprised they didn't go with the wider rear tires as well. They already have the new suspension A frames, with wide rear tires that would allow them to make a whole range of more modern F1 cars for the Icons line, like one of Schumacher's Ferraris from the early 2000s or one of Hamilton's Mercedes' perhaps.
I believe that the feature that makes taking the wheels off or putting them on the car "faster" than usual refers to the action of changing tires/wheels on F1 pit stops in real life
I get that one, although I don't see how this new wheel design makes the wheel change any faster.
@@RacingBrickthe one piece wheel design and the locking stud represents actual F1 tyre changes - machine first removes the large single centre nut, then a combined wheel and tyre is replaced i.e the wheel and tyre aren’t separately added to the car during pit stops
@@MonkeyDawg I know how tire change happens in F1 :) The way the text is phrased in the manual means to me that the new wheel design makes the wheel change faster, but there's really no any difference between this and any other LEGO Technic wheel from this perspective. But that might be my interpretation only.
@@RacingBrickI interpret it that you don't have to remove the rubber because you actually can't 😅
@@mikosoft hehe, well Speed Champions and City did that already, so it's not the invention on the year either :)
Major problem is not the tire size at the rear but the croocked front nose. I still can't believe how they couldn't recreate a fully straight profile, looks like the front nose is about to fall off, too bad! Also the engine cover under the airbox is definitely too bulky and of course, as you mentioned in the video, those rear tires are too narrow...Anyway just the minifigure is totally worth the set!
i wish they could just spend a minute or two delivering a wider wheel design
Im a huge f1 and Senna fan, but Lego didnt do this car justice, the rear, the front, its all just wrong. Even his helmet. Definitely disappointing.
Agree, but im going to buy the set anyways lol
Exactly why Lego do this this, they know people buy it anyway so they don't care....
It would've been nice to see the blue stripe on the helmet
@@j1m909 They should have hired some F1 experts when they designed this set
@@matemayer4850 just someone with a pair of eyes would of done
You don't know how much I was waiting for this video, finally it is here!!!
Other than the failed rear wheels still a nice displayable set. Builds a lot bigger than expected given the price piece and the scaling is great with the other cars in the line up. Nice to see functional steering on a smaller model.
Yes! First review of the new cars!!🎉❤
Thanks for the review. I’m definitely picking this up
The suspensions are really interesting!
I wasn’t a huge fan of this set at first because of the smaller scale, but honestly? I think it’s won me over. The pricing is decent and the build looks really fun! I’m not even an F1 person but I probably will be getting this day 1!
Just got it! Cant wait to build!
Hopefully, someone makes a if it doesn't exist already a minifig sized version for obvious reasons.
lego is releasing one
Many, many MOC’s out there. Just search for Lego MP4.
Looks amazing, will definitely but It in a future
I think they really dropped the ball on this one, the rear wheel size is horrific. Car just doesn't look like the iconic Mp4/4 and more like F3 or something. Shocker.
I have already pre-ordered it. I can't wait for your solution to fix those rear tytes
Such an exciting set but the issues with the rear wheels and the nose make it a sad but very hard skip
I think they covered the one by one studs so all the one by one studs are the same so you don’t don’t mix them up and have to take the whole thing apart
As a Senna fan and a fan of the MP4/4, which was Sennas first Championship car, I have naturally ordered the set already. I have several model kit sets of this car, including the Kyosho/DeAgostini 1/8 scale :)
As a side note, not all races approved of tobacco commercials either.
Marlboro reklámot legyártom . Nem érdekel az EU törveny!
Would the tires work better on an RC drift car MOC than LEGO’s normal, more rubbery tires?
This is a really good looking set. It is something different in the lineup, as this is truly one of the most iconic formula 1 cars in the history. Ayrton Senna was truly one of the most iconic formula 1 racers of all time. I am still trying to find a good deal here in the U.S. for one, as to me, it is just a bit overpriced (even though the silver pieces aren’t cheap to make, good amount of prints, legendary Ayrton senna mini-figure, and the new pieces). Thanks for another great review!
Lego would never do it, but it's just not the same without the Marlboro decals.
This can be easily remedied with a few stickers from the aftermarket, I'm sure they'll be available soon
@@RacingBrickhopefully I need the Marlboro branding on mine 😂
I agree with you, the rear is an insult.
Szia Balázs! Nice review as always. I agree that the tire details could have been more accurate, but it most likely won't be a dealbreaker for hardcore F1/Senna fans :)
black half bushings would be nice, or some other alternative for that. and having the suspension not..suspense is an interesting choice. even if it didn’t flex, having them be less parallel (forced by the cross axles) is a bit unfortunate
do you get anything special for pre ordering this set? ordered it a few days ago but just wondering if there are any real benefits to the pre ordering
In both cases, the speed champions and this icons set, the tires are a bit too small and thin. But overall it's a great build
Those back wheels are huge
As some who's spent countless hours looking at reference photos and scale models of the MP4/4, the nose is embarrassing and possibly the worst possible way to do it. The wheels are also a joke, they chose to give us 4 front ones instead of going for a middle ground.
As an F1 fan and someone with an immense amount of respect for Senna, this was overall a pretty cool set, sure its not perfect, but I think the tyre thing isn't a huge issue to me, and does a pretty good job at commemorating one of, if not Formula 1's best drivers ever
I'm way more annoyed that those new suspension parts don't feature a 2l hole, or at least a 2l axle-hole, than I am that they didn't mould 2 different new wheels.
This is a fantastic model, what a great tribute to the man Ayrton Senna … Can’t wait to hear the fix for the rear tires
Beautiful lego kit if I buy it, I'll try to make an assembly video!
My biggest gripe with this set are first: the buckled nose cone, and secondly the rear wheels.
Concerning the Marlboro branding on scale models: usually decals are included, but not always shown, so that the car can be made realistic, without needing to advertise the model with tobacco manufacturers.
the speed they are mentioning in the set is related to a modern f1 race pitstop, where they remove and replace all tires in under 3 seconds!
Can you 3d print the back wheels in there "real size", to see how it would look?
You are right it could be better. For those wanting a more realistic mp4/4, Tamiya have it in a model kit if you are up for the challenge.
Looking back, the years ago creator series ferrari f-40 just done so much right in the first time, they should get that designer to do this...
If I'm luck enough to get this, I'd definitely be looking for a rear wheel upgrade.
Also the colour scheme - Have they made the red parts on the nose deliberately different to the real thing to look less like tobacco advertising?
Once I get the set delivered, im probably gonna get my friend to 3D print some bigger rear wheels to make it look more realistic
Lego knows that people will thirst for more accurate tires for the next Icon cars which will keep us Lego addicts eagerly awaiting the next set I think. It’s good marketing, if they’re thinking the long game. Pure hypothesis. I know I might be wrong. Haha
the funny design on the front nose, made the car looks like a racing damage version.. Haha
I really really have waited for the 42171 review
I already preordered the car knowing the rear wheels are going to be a visual issue for me. I've heavily debated 3d printing a new wheel/tire to make it look more complete even though it won't look as good as Lego.
No tobacco advertisement is an EU law. From my understanding, you can't even race/display the classic cars with any type of tobacco branding. I think that's a bit ridiculous. I can see not allowing current cars to advertise, but certain cars are tied to their branding. Rothmans 956 is a good example.
the color of the bricks doesn't matter. the color pallette is not that big. it's obvious what color it's supposed to be. The color accuracy improves as your eyesight degrades.
Such a shame about the rear wheels. So much so, that it puts me off getting this set. Id never get over it.
I just want the Lego fig, never in my life would I think we would get an official Senna fig 😂❤
Would have been all over this, but those rear wheels and tyres make it a hard-pass for me until there's a better option.
I got too see all of the new sets in person (and the bmw too, but not the audi and mustang) They are really cool in person, I would defiantly buy, especially since they reduced the price of the double speed champions, and for the new bmw, it's 30 dollars instead of 40.
Looks ok from a distance and perhaps they could only make one mold for the new wheels. The printed piece on the nose looks wrong as it should be a V shape.
Love easter eggs about Brasilian flag represented inside the car. Like if it was the heart of the car ;-)
Saddly, printed nose element seems to be not "totally" white isn'it ?
And clearly, biggest mistake is the rear tyres. And i think it is more evident due to the rear wing which is prominent : so it looks like more as a Forumla Renault than a Formula 1 on this point of view 😕
Great review as usual !
Isnt Mklaren british car? Why brazzilians flag?
@@DUNDOM5 Because Ayrton made it beat ;-)
This looked great in the store, but held off from buying it to do some research first. And man I didn't notice the details at first. Would've killed me if I had bought it and noticed the tires and pink sections. Such a shame.
What’s so weird is that Lego got it right on their first McLaren MP4, the one in the first 3 Model Team sets released in 1986.
No special wheels, just the same wheel but two per side on the front, 3 in the rear.
At least Lego should’ve thrown in two extra wheels to double up the rears if a one-off mound was too expensive.
Not it just ruins what is a fantastic model. They really dropped the ball here and I would love to ask the designer about this so badly.
I would have bought this for sure if they got the rear tyres right.
This is a MAJOR oversight by Lego.
Really disappointed the tires and wheels are 1 piece, I was looking forward to mixing and matching them with other rims and tires of that size. Dual molded wheels also makes it especially frustrating that the rear tires are too skinny as making wider tires only would've required one more mold, and wider tires would be so useful for everything from go karts to dragsters!
It’s your saving. A wider wheel on the read would mean two molds and less quantity per tire! Pure and simple, less cost more margin!
I might get this if I find the period correct decals. And the right helmet.
I'm fairly sertain I have heard that Lego only allowes for each theme to add 2 new parts per year (might be diffrent for diffrent themes as they sell more or less set or not) buty it might be the reason that they couldnt make a larger tyre for the rears.
Thay have way more slots than that. There is a limit, that is true, but they could have planned this properly.
As much as I hate the rear tires, I’m definitely picking up this set
I plan to gift this set to my dad on easter since he is or was a big F1 fan. However the rear tyres bug me a bit since it shall be a proper display set.... I wonder if there are people who will give online tutorials to 3d print own ones or have alternative pieces that already exist that I could buy.
I wanna gift my dad something but uhh dont want to disappoint him with smth inaccurate.
I think when I build this I'm gonna make or buy some Marlboro stickers to make it more realistic, I was dissappointed but understanding when I saw It at the reveal.
Honestly was pretty let down with the rear tires, and the comment in the instructions that reference the "quick pit stops of formula 1" when TLG know this will be a display set I found a bit odd, but to find it to be for $80 it would make a good gift for any formula 1 fan who is a fan of Ayrton Senna. The Brazilian colours buried in the build is a wonderful tribute to Senna,his soul and his country being one with the car...
It is not bad set. Little bit pricy. Minifigure is great. But after building RoscoPC model of that car is better in every aspect. Sure it is another scale (1:8) and has technic insides.
Not a fan of the shiny tires. Might have to take some fine sandpaper / scotchbrite to the treads to make them look race-worn.
While I agree about the Tobacco advertisement, Lego could learn from Ferrari's trick with the barcode decal for the livery.
Super fast to remove and reattach is a nod to the pit crew that perform tyre changes during a pit stop.
With this set Lego started a new themes ❤,
Hope next video gonna be 42170 or 42171😅
cant wait until they use those wishbone parts for a proper Indycar build as well. Im sure someone will make them functional down the line.
What is inexcusable to me, among all the issues with this set, is that LEGO intentionally positioned the helmet in a way that stops you from seeing the omission of the missing line. That is a tactic used by cheap, tacky and dishonest online stores
this is good set (im waiting w14)
Is it me or does the engine cover look like a great start for a space shuttle?
Yeah, I can't look past those rear wheels. I might even display it without the wheels because the wishbones look good now
0:49 I open my boxes like that too! 😂 but with a ruler 📏… I prefer the taped ones though, I don’t like destroying the boxes
it´s always the same. LEGO produces sets that I, as a fan of whatever the model is about, am really looking forward to but since I´m a fan I just won´t buy it because of course those details like the skinny tires bother me. It´s so annoying, especially for the price.
When it comes to the Marlboro branding however: I get why they can´t do it but come on: MP4 stands for Marlboro Project 4 and the livery is designed to look like a pack of Marlboros.
This was the first thing that I noticed when they announced it at first. Why are the rears so skinny ? Like I know they are wide, always were
I give it a good 8 for the try, because all in all it is a good set, but it should cost 30 euros less. For that 80+ euro cost,
you should have made way better set what we got.
Does your fixing of the rear tire by any chance include the use of liquid resin? :)
Not this time, I'll try to quickly 3d print (with a filament printer) a mockup to see how it is supposed to look like
Does the mini fig enter in the seat
I think, i will go get one next time. ❤
This is not a Senna mini figure because the helmet is missing a dark blue stripe below the green stripe.
The white print on the new red nose part is also pain in the eyes because the angle of the print is totally wrong.
I totally agree with your complaints, but to be honest I don’t care about them! I’m a huge F1 and Senna fan so I’ll take whatever I can get 😅 the fact this set even exists makes me happy
looks cool but the rear tires look weird
Doesn't the reference in the manual to the speed of removing the tyres refer to real life F1 tyres where the wheels are all integrated, rather than having a tyre that is added to the rim? Setting aside the size of the rear wheels, the actual composition of the one piece tyre is more accurate.
Are you gonna review the speed champions? I’m assuming you’re still under embargo?
I found out how to make the wheels bigger purchase 2 more and by more Axel's and it looks pretty good it is the right size as well
You mean doubling the rear wheels like this? - ruclips.net/video/9SEB9UjmZcc/видео.html
I think that's way too wide and looks funny, because you cannot put them in the proper position due to the rims.
Like the set but real sad about rear wheels. Is it possible to buy bigger wheels?
Not from LEGO, maybe there'll be some 3d printed options
My biggest gripe is the lack of the blue stripe on the helmet
Looks like the store you kindly linked doesn't ship to the UK. Shame. I will wait for a brick link mod with better sticker sheet before purchasing I think. How could they also miss the iconic 45 degree integration of the white to red on the nose cone. That is as stand out as the skinny rear tyres in my opinion. Now if only they did red 5 and the Porsche 917
perhaps they should do the Jean Louis Schlesser Williams Judd from Monza, being as that was who Senna tangled with whilst lapping him, meaning McLaren didn't win every race in 1988, of course a gift for Ferrari, especially after the passing of Enzo Ferrari the month before