and if you notice, it all starts at 0:25 where the real tsamiko stops (until then everybody is dancing) and the clarinet man plays another song called rast. (ΡΑΣΤ in greek). this is usually a "first dancer song" and not a common tsamiko.. check this video out/watch?v=VWyVUVBeQ8w after 1:15 its nice. also /watch?v=oYY54ovfuwo after 3:15 two very nice executions of rast, i love them!
@@nekeljonaluli3768, άμα θέλεις να μάθεις όπως κάνει ο,καθε άνθρωπος το ποτάμι Τσιάμη είναι εκεί κοντά καί όσοι μείνανε εκεί τους λέγαμε τσιαμηδες για αυτό δεν έχετε στην Αλβανία τσάμικο
Quote: "Certainly the Thracians and the Illyrians were non-Greek speakers, but in the northwest, the peoples of Molossis {Epirot province}, Orestis and Lynkestis spoke West Greek. It is also accepted that the Macedonians spoke a dialect of Greek and although they absorbed other groups into their territory, they were essentially Greeks." Robert Morkot, "The Penguin Historical Atlas of Ancient Greece", Penguin Publ., 1996
A couple of abstracts from Rene Puaux's 1918 "The sorrows of Epirus" "YESTERDAY, April 30th, the last of the Epirotes left Corfu for their coast villages, from which they were driven during the Albanian " fury " last November."
I ask Greeks and Albanians to stop the war or words. This music is Balkan. Greeks love it. Albanians do too. It is for all of us. I ask you to respect the sameness and revel in it for it is beautiful. You both fought the Turks. If it weren't for Ali Pasha, the Lion of Janina, Greece might not have gained her independence because he kept a lot of the Sultan's army pinned down fighting him. Some say Skanderbeg had Greek blood. You both wear the white kilt. Long live the music!
Scanderbeg did not have Greek blood. He was a Mazreku from Dibra region. Albanians would not have followed a leader in the gates of hell if he was not one of them and he died a Catholic far from any Byzantine Romioi influence!
What Albanians (or Illyrians) "The Molotti also were Epirotæ, and were subjects of Pyrrhus Neoptolemus, the son of Achilles, and of his descendants, who were Thessalians. The rest were governed by native princes. Some tribes were continually endeavouring to obtain the mastery over the others, but all were finally subdued by the Macedonians, except a few situated above the Ionian Gulf." Strabo, 7.7.1
your point seems right but in fact it is a common phenomenon that when the tsamiko dance gets real slow in rythme, like here, the lead dancer shows off and the others do literally nothing. it is not a matter of democracy... that is how it is traditionally danced in epirus where i come from.. faster tsamikos, is where you will everyone dancing... even though the slow ones are much more touching for me...
The West Greek dialect group denotes the dialects spoken in: (i) the northwest Greek regions of Epeiros, Akarnania, Pthiotid Akhaia.... Johnathan M. Hall, "Ethnic Identity in Greek Antiquity", Cambridge University Press, 1997
Quote: The West Greek dialect group denotes the dialects spoken in: (i) the northwest Greek regions of Epeiros, Akarnania, Pthiotid Akhaia.... Johnathan M. Hall, "Ethnic Identity in Greek Antiquity", Cambridge University Press, 1997 Quote: Alexander was King Philip's eldest legitimate child. His mother, Olympias,came from the ruling clan of the northwestern Greek region of Epirus. David Sacks, "A Dictionary of the Ancient Greek World", Oxford, 1995
Hesiod's Theogony shows the relationship between northern Greek tribes. The Graekoi (Epiros), Macedonians, and Magnesians. "And the daughter to the house of Deukalionas, Pandora fathered by Zeus, leader of all the Gods, through love gave birth to Graecos, the warrior. Through Zeus, the lord of Thunder, she also conceived two sons, Magneta and Macedon, the horseman, which lived around Pieria and Olympus. And from Hellen, the warrior King, Dorus, Xuthus and the horsemaster Aiolus were born.
Um...a little lesson in Greek and WORLD History. Macedonia has been Greek for over 4.000 years. Under Alexander, Greek culture was spread throughout the known world, including present-day Albania, which was a Greek territory. The Tsamiko is a VERY Macedonian dance. It is the Warrior's dance, and when the Greeks took to the hills to battle the Turks and other invaders that's probably how Albanians (many of whom refer to themselves as from Northern Epirus) picked it up.
"...........This world had for the time being shaken off its habitual torpor. It really seemed that a great vision, the Hellenic vision, possessed them. The long nightmare was over. The Epirotes were about to realize the dream of generations, union with Greece, their fatherland by history and sympathy."
"........... This world had for the time being shaken off its habitual torpor. It really seemedthat a great vision, the Hellenic vision,possessed them. The long nightmare was over. The Epirotes were about to realize the dream of generations, union with Greece, their fatherland by history and sympathy."
@TheaAthena Wish I knew his name as well. He's certainly the best I've ever seen that's for sure. Also, I've never seen him on this show before either, so perhaps it was a one-time good thing. Enjoy.
How about a famous Epirotan: "Pyrrhus, the king of Epirus, had a particularly high opinion of his powers because he was deemed by foreign nations a match for the Romans; and he believed that it would be opportune to assist the fugitives who had taken refuge with him, especially as they were Greeks, and at the same time so forestall the Romans with some plausible excuse before he should suffer injury at their hands...." Cassius Dio, Book 9.4
All we have proven is that both Greeks and Albanians lived in Ottoman Epirus, as both Albanians and Serbs lived in Ottoman Kosovo. We can sit here forever debating who was in the majority..... If you can muster up the courage, I would love to discuss ancient Epirus with you agian. "Greece starts at Oricus and the most ancient part of Greece is Epirus." Claudius Ptolemy, The Geographer
μάστορα μου...18 χρόνια σε χορευτικό... έχω κάνει διάφορα...αλλά αυτό δεν το έχω κάνει ποτέ μου..εντάξει το παιδί το χει...και ξερει να χορεύει..οπότε νούμερο μην τον λες..και μην λες άσχετους και τους υπόλοιπους..όσα δεν φτάνει η αλεπού...
There is nothing to argue about Epirus. All the ancient sources prove that they were Greek. Example "Arha Ellas apo Oricias kai arhegonos Ellas Epiros" "Greece starts at Oricus and the most ancient part of Greece is Epirus." Claudius Ptolemy, The Geographer
@IMPERIAL GANGLANDIA Lol. You "grreks" have this identity problem, you think you are direct discendents of ancient greeks while have nothing to do with them, while cant explain why all your revolutionary heroes spoke albanian, why Kolokotroni changed his surname from Checgjini to Kolokotroni, etc. Did you know of his muslim blood brother which they devided after the war brcause of the churches preasure? Anyways, check this out
@@Jessi_apo lol, in Greece they call it camiko, after the Cam people. You have a camiko dance but dont have a people that associates with it? Thats delusional my friend. The cam people were massacred and expulsed from greece in 1946 and what remained of them are in albania now. Greeks expulsed them because they were Albanians and refused to covert to Greeks. Read history.
@@Jessi_apo and one more thing. Its not "only in Grece or Albania", its in Lebanon and Syria too. They call it Dabka dance. Google it. And no, im not muslim.
Anyway, tsamiko is NOT an Arvanite dance. Tsam Albanians do dance this who settled in Thesprotia back in the 1700's this is true, but this dance resembles many other Greek dances on the mainland. It is entirely common.... And what about the dance " Soulieman Aga " which is popular in and around Edessa? According to Balkancoolhead's logic , that must be a Turkish dance. Even though Edessa was mainly a Greek city with Bulgarian villages sorrounding it....
I have read all the posts here placed to date balkancoolhead so I know you do not respond well to logic. Therefore, let me not argue with you or engage in dialogue. Instead, may I repeat, the music and dance herein depicted is beautiful. The dancer is athletic and accomplished. Both are soul-stirring to listen to and watch. I love it. I believe you do to. It is said the borders in Europe are disappearing; Live and let live. Enjoy the diversity! Unite in our commonality; Respect each other. LOVE
ancient Macedonian also called the city Edessa Paul's Macedonian Associations pg 199 "The earliest known dedications to ZEUS Hypsistos are found in Edessa" Macedonians named many other cities in Asia Edessa The Oriental Herald and Journal of General Literature VXII 1827 "This capital of the country bvetween the Euphrates and the Tigris tha Padan Aram, and Aram Nahraim of the Hebrews the Mesopotamia of the Greeks received from it's Macedonian conquerers the name Edessa"
Hellasboy I really believe you should erase all comments NOT about this dancer and the dance. Why allow this beautiful experience be bismirched by the vitriolic hatred of Albanians who really have no power except to comment on youtube. Thanks for putting this clip on.
Eroshi, Well, Epiros has been Greek since forever my friend. Aristorle : Meteorologica: "The deluge in the time of Deucalion, for instance, took place chiefly in the Greek world and in it especially about ancient Hellas, the country about Dodona and the Achelous, a river which has often changed its course. Here the Selli dwelt and those who were formerly called Graeci and now Hellenes." Claiming Epiros (your beloved Chameria) Albanian or Illyrian!HAHA
and this is what Lord Byron said about Epirus and the Souli my friend.... "And yet how lovely is thine eye of woe, Land of lost gods and god-like men art thou, Again the Hellene are free!" and.... "Fill high the owl with Samian wine! On Souli's rock and Parga's shore, Exists the remnant of a line Such as the DORIC mothers bore."
Let’s see There is roumelioto Tsamiko There is Peloponnesus tsamiko There is blahiko tsamiko There is Macedonian tsamiko So where do you even open your mouth and claim this is Albanian Albanians you are all fakes
From the same passage one paragraph above.... "These were the Lacedaemonians and the Athenians, the former of Doric the latter of Ionic blood. And indeed these two nations had held from very early times the most distinguished place in Greece, the one being a Pelasgic the other a Hellenic people" It seems that Herodotus considers the Hellenes and Pelasgians either related or intermixed over the course of the centuries. One thing is for sure, the Pelasgians where never placed north of Epirus...
AND...... "Pyrrhus, the king of Epirus, had a particularly high opinion of his powers because he was deemed by foreign nations a match for the Romans; and he believed that it would be opportune to assist the fugitives who had taken refuge with him, especially as they were GREEKS" Cassius Dio, Book 9.4
"Among the Greeks Croesus found upon inquiry that the Lacedaemonians were chief among them of Doric stock and the Athenians of Ionic. These races, Ionian and and Dorian, were the foremost in ancient time, the first a Pelasgian and the second an Hellenic people. The Pelasgian stock has never yet left its habitation, the Doric is assuredly a much-wandered race" (book 1, 58). Now are you trying to tell me that Albanians are the Ionian Greeks :)
The two Albanian girls I have graduated, but I do have a Greek-Albanian boy and a girl this year. The boys mom is from Saranda, and the girls whole family is from Berat. Both speak Greek and Albanian :)
"They could not bring themselves to believe that they would be joined to an artificial Albania, ALIEN to them in TONGUE, civilization and religion. All these people, from Cape St. Vasilio to Cape St. Joannis, were Greeks, and every man to whom I spoke, related to Greek families in Corfu, Patras and Athens, refused to have any doubts as to the decision of Europe. They returned to Epirus confident of the triumph of a cause for which they had endured so much.
bro this is the shit!! guys who cares where or not is albanian greek or whatever... who cares.. our culture has mixed eons ago... so honeslty enjoy the music and the dancing. fucken awesome though
Early on, the word Greek describes only one tribe Epirus, the Graekoi. Aristotle mentions this. The word Hellenes also described originally one tribe in Thessally which united with the Graekoi. During the classical times, the term Hellas had more of a cultural meaning like you said, and being alligned with Athens.
Sas euxaristo poli gia to katapliktiko clip! Mipos mporitai na mou pitai apo pio akrivos episodio to eidate auto to clip, h tin hmeromhnia pou to diksanai auto to segikrimeno episodio? Euxaristo kai pali.
Awsome Tsamiko!! We do it all the time at our International Folk Dancing society here. Any way i could get the link to this if theres a full version? cheers
More from C. George Boeree.... "A western dialect begins to emerge (the Proto-Celtic-Italic-Illyrians) on the upper Danube. The enclosed steppe of the Hungarian Plain puts them in an ideal position to blend farming with a horse culture."
The Cambridge Ancient History: Volume 6, the Fourth Century BC" by D M Lewis, Martin Ostwald, Simon Hornblower, John Boardman Quote: however, in central Epirus the only fortified places were in the plain of Ioannina, the centre of the Molossian state. Thus the North-west Greek-speaking tribes were at a half-way stage economically and politically, retaining the vigour of a tribal society and reaching out in a typically Greek manner towards a larger political organization.
Answer these simple questions Balkanos: 1)Have Pelasgians ever been placed north of Epirus? 2) Have the Pelasgians ever been called Illyrians or Albanians? 3) Have I provided you many ancient quotes that connect the Hellenes with the Pelasgians? 4) Have you provided even one that connects Pelasgians with Albania? 5) Have any of the ancient authors labeled the Epirotes Illyrians? 6) Have the Epirotes been called Greeks by the ancients?
Now what do modern scholars say: Quote: "Speakers of these various Greek dialects settled different parts of Greece at different times during the Middle Bronze Age, with one group, the "northwest" Greeks, developing their own dialect and peopling central Epirus. This was the origin of the Molossian or Epirotic tribes." E.N.Borza "In the shadow of Olympus; The emergence of Macedon" (revised edition, 1992), page 62
I agree with you 100%. The Greek government sold Macedonia down the drain BUT and this is major! Why post that here? This is a dance video. Your comments can be put on any political venue but has no real place here. Here is the enjoyment of our heritage. Politics cousin are not appropiate eveywhere no matter what passion drives you. Here enjoy the superb dancing of this young Greek. Revel in his spirit.
Afterwards some of the Pelasgians who inhabited Thessaly, as it is now called, being obliged to leave their country, settled among the Aborigines and jointly with them made war upon the Sicels. It is possible that the Aborigines received them partly in the hope of gaining their assistance, but I believe it was chiefly on account of their kinship; for the Pelasgians, too, were a Greek nation originally from the Peloponnesus ... Dionysius of Halicarnassus,Roman Antiquities,p29,Book I
Quote: The Molossians were the strongest and, decisive for Macedonia, most easterly of the three most important Epeirot tribes, which, like Macedonia but unlike the Thesprotians and the Chaonians, still retained their monarchy. They were Greeks, spoke a similar dialect to that of Macedonia, suffered just as much from the depredations of the Illyrians and were in principle the natural partners of the Macedonian.." Malcolm Errington, "A History of Macedonia", California Uni Press,
As for what Herodotus on the Pelasgians, don't be so sure as that he considered them separate from the Hellenes.... Herodotus on the Pelasgians and the Early Greeks [Herodotus, The History of Herodotus, George Rawlinson, tr., vol. 1 (New York: D. Appleton and Company, 1885), Book 1; and vol. 2 , book 3]. 58." The Hellenic race has never, since its first origin, changed its speech. This at least seems evident to me. It was a branch of the Pelasgic, which separated from the main body..."
Researches Into the Physical History of Mankind p. 492-496 By James Cowles Prichard " that the Pelasgic speech was the Aeolic dialect of the Greek language." The Gentile Nations: Or, the History and Religion of the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians ... By George Smith p.317 "Yet, notwithstanding this conviction, we must be allowed to say that we fully agree with the first-mentioned authors, that the Pelasgians and Hellenes were originally the same people
You did see this right? Dionysus of Halikarnassos "Roman Antiquities" 1.17.2.1 καὶ τὸ τῶν Πελασγῶν γένος Ἑλληνικὸν ἐκ Πελοποννήσου translation: "for the Pelasgians too, were a Hellenic race originally from the Peloponnesus" So Dionysus of Halikarnassos saw the Pelasgians as part of the Hellenes and placed their origin nowhere near Albania.
R. Malcolm Errington, 'A History of Macedonia' University of California Press, February 1993, pg 3 Quote: "That the Macedonians and their kings did in fact speak a dialect of Greek and bore Greek names may be regarded nowadays as certain."
More from Strabo: And the Peloponnesus too, according to Ephorus, was called "Pelasgia." And Euripides too, in his Archelaus, says: "Danaus, the father of fifty daughters, on coming into Argos,took up his abode in the city of Inachus, and throughout Greece he laid down a law that all people hitherto named Pelasgians were to be called Danaans." Hmmm I wonder what title Homer used to refer to the Greeks.....Give up? One of them was Danaans.....:) I'm still looking for the Albanian connection:(
according Strabo [book 5, Chapter 2, paragraph 4] Quote: As for the Pelasgi, almost all agree, in the first place, that some ancient tribe of that name spread throughout the whole of Greece, and particularly among the Aeolians of Thessaly. James Cowles Prichard seems to have formed his theory on what Strabo said. I'm interested how your theory was formed? Any ancient evidence?
@louka1111 Starting from this Hellenistic period, especially from the invasion of Greece by the Romans, the center of Hellenism was not Athens or other cities of Greece, but Asia Minor and Egypt. This regime scattered Helena people and it brought the depopulation and impoverishment of Hellada, which described by Plutarku during his era as a place almost deserted, and was the cause of the formation of the new great Greece .....ROBERT D ANGELY.
Incredible dancing by the lead guy! But he didn't lead the others in the dance. They just stood there and watched. Would have been more interesting (and um...here comes a Greek-derived word, "democratic") if everyone in the line was dancing the tsamiko while he was showing off. Nevertheless, fun to watch him do his thing! Thanks for offering this video on RUclips! (Balkan dance fan in San Francisco, California)
Quote: I. But my own belief about it is this. If the Phoenicians did in fact carry away the sacred women and sell one in Libya and one in Hellas, then, in my opinion, the place where this woman was sold in what is now Hellas, but was formerly called Pelasgia, was Thesprotia;
Absolutely blown away!!! Impeccable dance moves. Gave me goosebumps watching this. Bravo to the palikari !
People, this guy is outstanding! Greek women worship his interpretation of the music, as displayed by his dance. Wow! Nicely done! Bravo!!
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I actually cried watching this guy go! What a dancer. Greek athleticism and tsamiko --- does it get any better?
Jo. Greke i ciamiko Jan shqipetare 🦅 Arvaniti morì
I've seen alot of dancing videos, that this one is absolutely, catagorically, the best I have ever seen. Bravo! Amazaing!
Όσα χρόνια και αν περάσουν θα το παρακολουθώ.
Να ζήση το Κεράσοβο ❤❤
Προσωπικά τέτοιο Ράστ δεν έχω ξαναδεί! Ο άνθρωπος είναι φοβερός!
Ο καλύτερος χορός όλων
and if you notice, it all starts at 0:25 where the real tsamiko stops (until then everybody is dancing) and the clarinet man plays another song called rast. (ΡΑΣΤ in greek). this is usually a "first dancer song" and not a common tsamiko..
check this video out/watch?v=VWyVUVBeQ8w after 1:15 its nice.
also /watch?v=oYY54ovfuwo after 3:15
two very nice executions of rast, i love them!
RRofsh qe i kercen kaq bukur vallet e ventit tim dhe tend!
Awesome! What a wonderful dance!
I'll love go to Greece
E alvanika no Grecia
@@nekeljonaluli3768, άμα θέλεις να μάθεις όπως κάνει ο,καθε άνθρωπος το ποτάμι Τσιάμη είναι εκεί κοντά καί όσοι μείνανε εκεί τους λέγαμε τσιαμηδες για αυτό δεν έχετε στην Αλβανία τσάμικο
Χαρας την ΜΑΝΑ που σε γέννησε πρωτοχορευτή 👏👏👏👏👏
Quote:
"Certainly the Thracians and the Illyrians were non-Greek speakers, but in the northwest, the peoples of Molossis {Epirot province}, Orestis
and Lynkestis spoke West Greek. It is also accepted that the Macedonians spoke a dialect of Greek and although they absorbed other groups into their territory, they were essentially Greeks."
Robert Morkot, "The Penguin Historical Atlas of Ancient Greece",
Penguin Publ., 1996
This is so a cool.
One of the funnest ways to get a peek at other cultures is to simply watch how they dance.
:D
Ευχαριστώ πολύ πεδία! Υπέροχο! ❤❤❤
bravo
A couple of abstracts from Rene Puaux's 1918 "The sorrows of Epirus"
"YESTERDAY, April 30th, the last
of the Epirotes left Corfu for their
coast villages, from which they were driven
during the Albanian " fury " last
November."
holly $hit.... i'm in a dance group too, but this was simply amazing... gia sth xarh sou levnth!
very very very veeeeeeeeeery good dancing , bravo bravo
I ask Greeks and Albanians to stop the war or words. This music is Balkan. Greeks love it. Albanians do too. It is for all of us. I ask you to respect the sameness and revel in it for it is beautiful.
You both fought the Turks. If it weren't for Ali Pasha, the Lion of Janina, Greece might not have gained her independence because he kept a lot of the Sultan's army pinned down fighting him. Some say Skanderbeg had Greek blood. You both wear the white kilt.
Long live the music!
Scanderbeg did not have Greek blood. He was a Mazreku from Dibra region. Albanians would not have followed a leader in the gates of hell if he was not one of them and he died a Catholic far from any Byzantine Romioi influence!
PA PA PA, ETSI XOREYETAI O MAGGAS!!! Freakin' best Tsamiko performance/solo I've seen, whew! ZHTW H ELLAS!
Nice one!
authentic and well done!
Ο ΝΙΚΟΛΑΣ ΦΙΛΛΠΠΙΔΗΣ......Wonderful!
when you're that good , the rest can only watch , :-)))
@louka1111 I think "επίτριτος" (epitritos - over the third beat) was the name for tsamiko in ancient Greece due to its rythm (3/4).
What Albanians (or Illyrians)
"The Molotti also were Epirotæ, and were subjects of Pyrrhus Neoptolemus, the son of Achilles, and of his descendants, who were Thessalians. The rest were governed by native princes. Some tribes were continually endeavouring to obtain the mastery over the others, but all were finally subdued by the Macedonians, except a few situated above the Ionian Gulf."
Strabo, 7.7.1
im born in ohrid and wenn we have weddings the old people dance this musik, and i like it and can dance it.
your point seems right but in fact it is a common phenomenon that when the tsamiko dance gets real slow in rythme, like here, the lead dancer shows off and the others do literally nothing. it is not a matter of democracy... that is how it is traditionally danced in epirus where i come from.. faster tsamikos, is where you will everyone dancing... even though the slow ones are much more touching for me...
Sublime
The West Greek dialect group denotes the dialects spoken in: (i) the
northwest Greek regions of Epeiros, Akarnania, Pthiotid Akhaia....
Johnathan M. Hall, "Ethnic Identity in Greek Antiquity", Cambridge
University Press, 1997
Quote:
The West Greek dialect group denotes the dialects spoken in: (i) the
northwest Greek regions of Epeiros, Akarnania, Pthiotid Akhaia....
Johnathan M. Hall, "Ethnic Identity in Greek Antiquity", Cambridge
University Press, 1997
Quote:
Alexander was King Philip's eldest legitimate child. His mother, Olympias,came from the ruling clan of the northwestern Greek region of Epirus.
David Sacks, "A Dictionary of the Ancient Greek World", Oxford, 1995
Hesiod's Theogony shows the relationship between northern Greek tribes. The Graekoi (Epiros), Macedonians, and Magnesians.
"And the daughter to the house of Deukalionas,
Pandora fathered by Zeus, leader of all the Gods, through love gave birth to Graecos, the warrior.
Through Zeus, the lord of Thunder,
she also conceived two sons,
Magneta and Macedon, the horseman,
which lived around Pieria and Olympus.
And from Hellen, the warrior King,
Dorus, Xuthus and the horsemaster Aiolus were born.
ΕΙΜΑΣΤΕ ΤΟ ΑΛΦΑ ΚΑΙ ΤΟ ΩΜΕΓΑ ΣΕ ΟΛΗ ΤΗΝ ΙΣΤΟΡΙΑ>>
Um...a little lesson in Greek and WORLD History. Macedonia has been Greek for over 4.000 years. Under Alexander, Greek culture was spread throughout the known world, including present-day Albania, which was a Greek territory. The Tsamiko is a VERY Macedonian dance. It is the Warrior's dance, and when the Greeks took to the hills to battle the Turks and other invaders that's probably how Albanians (many of whom refer to themselves as from Northern Epirus) picked it up.
"...........This world had for the time being shaken off its habitual torpor. It really seemed that a great vision, the Hellenic vision, possessed them. The long nightmare was
over. The Epirotes were about to realize
the dream of generations, union with
Greece, their fatherland by history and
sympathy."
"........... This world had for the time being shaken off its habitual torpor. It really seemedthat a great vision, the Hellenic vision,possessed them. The long nightmare was
over. The Epirotes were about to realize
the dream of generations, union with
Greece, their fatherland by history and
sympathy."
@TheaAthena
Wish I knew his name as well. He's certainly the best I've ever seen that's for sure. Also, I've never seen him on this show before either, so perhaps it was a one-time good thing. Enjoy.
Wonderful dancing videos !!!! Opppppaaaaaaaaa !!!!
How about a famous Epirotan:
"Pyrrhus, the king of Epirus, had a particularly high opinion of his powers because he was deemed by foreign nations a match for the Romans; and he believed that it would be opportune to assist the fugitives who had taken refuge with him, especially as they were Greeks, and at the same time so forestall the Romans with some plausible excuse before he should suffer injury at their hands...."
Cassius Dio, Book 9.4
All we have proven is that both Greeks and Albanians lived in Ottoman Epirus, as both Albanians and Serbs lived in Ottoman Kosovo. We can sit here forever debating who was in the majority.....
If you can muster up the courage, I would love to discuss ancient Epirus with you agian.
"Greece starts at Oricus and the most ancient part of Greece is Epirus."
Claudius Ptolemy, The Geographer
μάστορα μου...18 χρόνια σε χορευτικό... έχω κάνει διάφορα...αλλά αυτό δεν το έχω κάνει ποτέ μου..εντάξει το παιδί το χει...και ξερει να χορεύει..οπότε νούμερο μην τον λες..και μην λες άσχετους και τους υπόλοιπους..όσα δεν φτάνει η αλεπού...
very good!! brilliant :-)
There is nothing to argue about Epirus. All the ancient sources prove that they were Greek.
Example
"Arha Ellas apo Oricias kai arhegonos Ellas Epiros"
"Greece starts at Oricus and the most ancient part of Greece is Epirus."
Claudius Ptolemy, The Geographer
Nice Cam dance. We dance like this in Albania too. We call it the Cam dance.We have another version wich we call Osman takas dance.
@IMPERIAL GANGLANDIA
Lol. You "grreks" have this identity problem, you think you are direct discendents of ancient greeks while have nothing to do with them, while cant explain why all your revolutionary heroes spoke albanian, why Kolokotroni changed his surname from Checgjini to Kolokotroni, etc. Did you know of his muslim blood brother which they devided after the war brcause of the churches preasure? Anyways, check this out
Tρως, σανό καί εσύ@@MrWowowoification
Nice cam dance only in, Greece Albanian yok
@@Jessi_apo lol, in Greece they call it camiko, after the Cam people. You have a camiko dance but dont have a people that associates with it? Thats delusional my friend. The cam people were massacred and expulsed from greece in 1946 and what remained of them are in albania now. Greeks expulsed them because they were Albanians and refused to covert to Greeks. Read history.
@@Jessi_apo and one more thing. Its not "only in Grece or Albania", its in Lebanon and Syria too. They call it Dabka dance. Google it. And no, im not muslim.
Anyway, tsamiko is NOT an Arvanite dance.
Tsam Albanians do dance this who settled in Thesprotia back in the 1700's this is true, but this dance resembles many other Greek dances on the mainland. It is entirely common....
And what about the dance " Soulieman Aga " which is popular in and around Edessa? According to Balkancoolhead's logic , that must be a Turkish dance. Even though Edessa was mainly a Greek city with Bulgarian villages sorrounding it....
I have read all the posts here placed to date balkancoolhead so I know you do not respond well to logic. Therefore, let me not argue with you or engage in dialogue. Instead, may I repeat, the music and dance herein depicted is beautiful. The dancer is athletic and accomplished. Both are soul-stirring to listen to and watch. I love it. I believe you do to. It is said the borders in Europe are disappearing; Live and let live. Enjoy the diversity! Unite in our commonality; Respect each other. LOVE
ancient Macedonian also called the city Edessa
Paul's Macedonian Associations pg 199
"The earliest known dedications to ZEUS Hypsistos are found in Edessa"
Macedonians named many other cities in Asia Edessa
The Oriental Herald and Journal of General Literature VXII 1827
"This capital of the country bvetween the Euphrates and the Tigris tha Padan Aram, and Aram Nahraim of the Hebrews the Mesopotamia of the Greeks received from it's Macedonian conquerers the name Edessa"
Hellasboy I really believe you should erase all comments NOT about this dancer and the dance. Why allow this beautiful experience be bismirched by the vitriolic hatred of Albanians who really have no power except to comment on youtube. Thanks for putting this clip on.
Very interesting tricks...Bravo for that dancer
Bravo Nikos Filippidis!!!!
speachless....
Eroshi,
Well, Epiros has been Greek since forever my friend.
Aristorle : Meteorologica:
"The deluge in the time of Deucalion, for instance, took place chiefly in the Greek world and in it especially about ancient Hellas, the country about Dodona and the Achelous, a river which has often changed its course. Here the Selli dwelt and those who were formerly called Graeci and now Hellenes."
Claiming Epiros (your beloved Chameria) Albanian or Illyrian!HAHA
and this is what Lord Byron said about Epirus and the Souli my friend....
"And yet how lovely is thine eye of woe, Land of lost gods and god-like men art thou, Again the Hellene are free!"
and....
"Fill high the owl with Samian wine!
On Souli's rock and Parga's shore,
Exists the remnant of a line
Such as the DORIC mothers bore."
Palicari, palicari, pero demasiado palicari.Толкова много чалъми,че другите не могат да танцуват.Айде,холан!
beatiful cam dance.i am praud when i see the greek to dance albanian cam folk
matteo bido bido illyrians: one of the many many hellenic tribes, a barbarian one! So you albanians what are your origin?????????? 1+1=2!!!!!!!
Let’s see
There is roumelioto Tsamiko
There is Peloponnesus tsamiko
There is blahiko tsamiko
There is Macedonian tsamiko
So where do you even open your mouth and claim this is Albanian
Albanians you are all fakes
Mateo bido you don't have this dance in albania,only Greece
From the same passage one paragraph above....
"These were the Lacedaemonians and the Athenians, the former of Doric the latter of Ionic blood. And indeed these two nations had held from very early times the most distinguished place in Greece, the one being a Pelasgic the other a Hellenic people"
It seems that Herodotus considers the Hellenes and Pelasgians either related or intermixed over the course of the centuries. One thing is for sure, the Pelasgians where never placed north of Epirus...
RAST TSAMIKO FOR THE WIN!!!
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
@agon1984 ...Opa Leventis ! ....... Yes Tsamiko .. Excellent
Two things.
First, linear A has absolutely nothing to do with Albanians......
Second, I respect the Albanian culture for what it is.....
AND......
"Pyrrhus, the king of Epirus, had a particularly high opinion of his powers because he was deemed by foreign nations a match for the Romans; and he believed that it would be opportune to assist the fugitives who had taken refuge with him, especially as they were GREEKS"
Cassius Dio, Book 9.4
"Arha Ellas apo Oricias kai arhegonos Ellas Epiros"
"Greece starts at Oricus and the most ancient part of Greece is Epirus."
Claudius Ptolemy
Duket qe drejtueesi i emmisionit nuk di te kercej 😂e shikon djalethim me habi
bravo levendi!
"Among the Greeks Croesus found upon inquiry that the Lacedaemonians were chief among them of Doric stock and the Athenians of Ionic. These races, Ionian and and Dorian, were the foremost in ancient time, the first a Pelasgian and the second an Hellenic people. The Pelasgian stock has never yet left its habitation, the Doric is assuredly a much-wandered race" (book 1, 58).
Now are you trying to tell me that Albanians are the Ionian Greeks :)
Surprise: Pelasgos is a greek word
The two Albanian girls I have graduated, but I do have a Greek-Albanian boy and a girl this year. The boys mom is from Saranda, and the girls whole family is from Berat. Both speak Greek and Albanian :)
@echoslegetos No haha tsamkios is nice dance it's just a heavy dance. Like Pontian. Those dances are more calm and with women
"They could not bring themselves to
believe that they would be joined to an
artificial Albania, ALIEN to them in TONGUE,
civilization and religion. All these people,
from Cape St. Vasilio to Cape St. Joannis,
were Greeks, and every man to whom
I spoke, related to Greek families in
Corfu, Patras and Athens, refused to have
any doubts as to the decision of Europe.
They returned to Epirus confident of
the triumph of a cause for which they
had endured so much.
bro this is the shit!!
guys who cares where or not is albanian greek or whatever... who cares.. our culture has mixed eons ago... so honeslty enjoy the music and the dancing.
fucken awesome though
Early on, the word Greek describes only one tribe Epirus, the Graekoi. Aristotle mentions this. The word Hellenes also described originally one tribe in Thessally which united with the Graekoi.
During the classical times, the term Hellas had more of a cultural meaning like you said, and being alligned with Athens.
Sas euxaristo poli gia to katapliktiko clip! Mipos mporitai na mou pitai apo pio akrivos episodio to eidate auto to clip, h tin hmeromhnia pou to diksanai auto to segikrimeno episodio? Euxaristo kai pali.
Awsome Tsamiko!! We do it all the time at our International Folk Dancing society here. Any way i could get the link to this if theres a full version?
cheers
Valle CAME.
ΜΠΡΑΒΟ ΠΑΡΑΣΚΕΥΑ!!!!!
Πώς λέγεται το συγκεκριμένο τραγούδι?
Αλβανοτσάμικα τραγούδια είναι ρώτα κανέναν αλβανό να σου πεί.
Οργανικό σκοπός ραστ χορος😊
@π@ιχτος !!!!! Μπράβο !!!!!!
More from C. George Boeree....
"A western dialect begins to emerge (the Proto-Celtic-Italic-Illyrians) on the upper Danube. The enclosed steppe of the Hungarian Plain puts them in an ideal position to blend farming with a horse culture."
ciao arbereset della grecia Viva gluha jon e vallet tona te buqura
The Cambridge Ancient History: Volume 6, the Fourth Century BC" by D M Lewis, Martin Ostwald, Simon Hornblower, John Boardman
Quote:
however, in central Epirus the only fortified places were in the plain of Ioannina, the centre of the Molossian state. Thus the North-west Greek-speaking tribes were at a half-way stage economically and politically, retaining the vigour of a tribal society and reaching out in a typically Greek manner towards a larger political organization.
RROFTE CAMERIA E SHQIPES HEROIKE!!!
Salaam Unaniha Baed az sheesh sal chee shodeh? An pesar kojast? Zendigist?
Ezdevarzh kardaen? Dar Athen e?
Answer these simple questions Balkanos:
1)Have Pelasgians ever been placed north of Epirus?
2) Have the Pelasgians ever been called Illyrians or Albanians?
3) Have I provided you many ancient quotes that connect the Hellenes with the Pelasgians?
4) Have you provided even one that connects Pelasgians with Albania?
5) Have any of the ancient authors labeled the Epirotes Illyrians?
6) Have the Epirotes been called Greeks by the ancients?
o kaliteros
Now what do modern scholars say:
Quote:
"Speakers of these various Greek dialects settled different parts of Greece at different times during the Middle Bronze Age, with one group,
the "northwest" Greeks, developing their own dialect and peopling central Epirus. This was the origin of the Molossian or Epirotic tribes."
E.N.Borza "In the shadow of Olympus; The emergence of Macedon" (revised edition, 1992), page 62
I agree with you 100%. The Greek government sold Macedonia down the drain BUT and this is major! Why post that here? This is a dance video. Your comments can be put on any political venue but has no real place here. Here is the enjoyment of our heritage. Politics cousin are not appropiate eveywhere no matter what passion drives you. Here enjoy the superb dancing of this young Greek. Revel in his spirit.
Afterwards some of the Pelasgians who inhabited Thessaly, as it is now called, being obliged to leave their country, settled among the Aborigines and jointly with them made war upon the Sicels. It is possible that the Aborigines received them partly in the hope of gaining their assistance, but I believe it was chiefly on account of their kinship; for the Pelasgians, too, were a Greek nation originally from the Peloponnesus ...
Dionysius of Halicarnassus,Roman Antiquities,p29,Book I
Λεβεντια!
Quote:
The Molossians were the strongest and, decisive for Macedonia, most easterly of the three most important Epeirot tribes, which, like Macedonia but unlike the Thesprotians and the Chaonians, still retained their monarchy. They were Greeks, spoke a similar dialect to that of Macedonia, suffered just as much from the depredations of the Illyrians and were in principle the natural partners of the Macedonian.."
Malcolm Errington, "A History of Macedonia", California Uni Press,
As for what Herodotus on the Pelasgians, don't be so sure as that he considered them separate from the Hellenes....
Herodotus on the Pelasgians and the Early Greeks
[Herodotus, The History of Herodotus, George Rawlinson, tr., vol. 1 (New York: D. Appleton and Company, 1885), Book 1; and vol. 2 , book 3].
58." The Hellenic race has never, since its first origin, changed its speech. This at least seems evident to me. It was a branch of the Pelasgic, which separated from the main body..."
Bravo!!!
All that is left of the Chams is the dance that even that was stolen.
Researches Into the Physical History of Mankind p. 492-496
By James Cowles Prichard
" that the Pelasgic speech was the Aeolic dialect of the Greek language."
The Gentile Nations: Or, the History and Religion of the
Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians ...
By George Smith p.317
"Yet, notwithstanding this conviction, we must be allowed to say that we fully agree with the first-mentioned authors, that the Pelasgians and Hellenes were originally the same people
You did see this right?
Dionysus of Halikarnassos "Roman Antiquities" 1.17.2.1
καὶ τὸ τῶν Πελασγῶν γένος Ἑλληνικὸν ἐκ Πελοποννήσου
translation:
"for the Pelasgians too, were a Hellenic race originally from the Peloponnesus"
So Dionysus of Halikarnassos saw the Pelasgians as part of the Hellenes and placed their origin nowhere near Albania.
LEVENTIS!
R. Malcolm Errington, 'A History of Macedonia'
University of California Press, February 1993, pg 3
Quote:
"That the Macedonians and their kings did in fact speak a dialect of Greek and bore Greek names may be regarded nowadays as certain."
More from Strabo:
And the Peloponnesus too, according to Ephorus, was called "Pelasgia."
And Euripides too, in his Archelaus, says: "Danaus, the father of fifty daughters, on coming into Argos,took up his abode in the city of Inachus, and throughout Greece he laid down a law that all people hitherto named Pelasgians were to be called Danaans."
Hmmm I wonder what title Homer used to refer to the Greeks.....Give up? One of them was Danaans.....:)
I'm still looking for the Albanian connection:(
according Strabo [book 5, Chapter 2, paragraph 4]
Quote:
As for the Pelasgi, almost all agree, in the first place, that some ancient tribe of that name spread throughout the whole of Greece, and particularly among the Aeolians of Thessaly.
James Cowles Prichard seems to have formed his theory on what Strabo said.
I'm interested how your theory was formed? Any ancient evidence?
@louka1111 Starting from this Hellenistic period, especially from the invasion of Greece by the Romans, the center of Hellenism was not Athens or other cities of Greece, but Asia Minor and Egypt. This regime scattered Helena people and it brought the depopulation and impoverishment of Hellada, which described by Plutarku during his era as a place almost deserted, and was the cause of the formation of the new great Greece .....ROBERT D ANGELY.
Incredible dancing by the lead guy! But he didn't lead the others in the dance. They just stood there and watched. Would have been more interesting (and um...here comes a Greek-derived word, "democratic") if everyone in the line was dancing the tsamiko while he was showing off. Nevertheless, fun to watch him do his thing! Thanks for offering this video on RUclips!
(Balkan dance fan in San Francisco, California)
That was not a tsamiko, only Rast.
Where the 1st dancer only shows off
Quote:
I. But my own belief about it is this. If the Phoenicians did in fact carry away the sacred women and sell one in Libya and one in Hellas, then, in my opinion, the place where this woman was sold in what is now Hellas, but was formerly called Pelasgia, was Thesprotia;
epir the best!!!!cham danc the best.....