When referees don't want to whistle
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- Опубликовано: 1 окт 2024
- Karen Chu, Lizzy Skrzypiec and Bob Hagh face a question about referee refusals.
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This made me think of a friend of mine who used to be a soccer trainer. He said that he once heard a player scream at the referee that "You are so dumb that you could just as well just throw away the whistle." The referee did and then asked the player what they should do next. The player had no answer. The referee picked up a second whistle and kept doing his job.
You feel like a smart-ass until the authority is right there next to you.
I knew this one right off the bat-- pardon the mixed metaphor-- because I remember watching the game as a child. This was the first and last time I ever rooted for Dallas-- their archrival NY Giants are my team-- but 1960s Green Bay under the abrasive Vince "Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing" Lombardi were even more hateable, if that's imaginable. Now I've married into Packerdom and live among them. Several subsequent decades of Pack mediocrity also made them easier to swallow. They're cute now.
I like how they were careful to use the term "NFL Championship" instead of "Super Bowl" as this was before the AFL/NFL merger in 1970. The winners of the NFL Championship and AFL Championship would then play in the "AFL/NFL Championship Game" which would be renamed the "Super Bowl" in 1969 for Super Bowl III. The Packers won the "Ice Bowl" and went on to defeat the AFL Champion Oakland Raiders 33-14 in what would be later renamed Super Bowl II on January 14, 1968.
Which means technically no-one went to the first Super Bowl! They went to the Championship game.
As a Wisconsin resident I knew this immediately even though I don’t watch football.
I love it when they goof into the answer.
I thought this was going to be about the person who trained birds to fly on the field whenever they heard a whistle
They saw a spider in their whistle and didn't want to put it up to their lips anymore.
"OhDearGodNo - a *spistle* !!" 😧
One sure, but all referees at the same time?
The NFL did eventually use electronic whistles, but that was done in 2020 so they wouldn’t have to remove their masks - not in response to cold whistles. Though they would probably be a good alternative in cities like Green Bay, Cleveland, and Buffalo in December…
I was thinking this was the MIT pigeon prank but was confused or why it was nfl instead of college football
Infamous game. I got this one before the question was finished.
Restored footage of this game is pretty entertaining, you can see the steam poofs from their breath as they run.
So why have such game in the winter? At least, standardize the games for all (north vs south, winter vs summer), like it's done for hockey and indoor basketball. Have you seen a baseball game in glorious icy rain?
@@sophiamarchildon3998I think part of the reason for having various sports from autumn to spring is to get through winter with something to do!
One of the cameramen decide[d] to get Lombardi's reaction to the last play rather than getting the play.
I wasn't able to watch that game live. New Year's Eve, 1967, was the day before I was born. Before I was born, I had really terrible TV reception. Not that it mattered since I didn't have a TV in my mom's womb. I was born at Fort Leonard Wood in Missouri. The base is in a deep valley and really did get terrible TV reception. My mom told me they got one station badly.
"Fort Lost In The Woods"
The only thing most of us know about the place, is its nickname!
You never do forget the first time you lick something metal in the winter or when you panic and rip it off. Very much a core memory of mine from early childhood when I did it despite everyone having told me not to.
I'm glad I'm born and raised in south Florida, so I never had that experience. I went to college for four years in upstate New York, and that was a huge adjustment... why do people live where the air physically hurts their face?! 😅
@@IceMetalPunk When you are Canadian enough, it's just a kind, gentle, nostalgic reminder that you live where the air physically hurts your face. :D
One of the rare ones where I would have to recuse myself. And on sports of all things. I just remember reading an almanac of weird sports anecdotes when I was a kid and numerous of them were about it being too cold for normal football rules.
I was born in 98' but I'm proud that even as a warm Texan, I immediately knew this game because of being a Cowboys fan and therefore knew the answer! Go Cowboys!
it whas sucha good prank XD
edit, nvm i whas wrong
thought it whas the story about the guy that dressed up as a refferee and blew a whistle when spreading bread on the field for a few weeks before a match so that during the match, the referee would blow the wistle and suddenly an entire flock of birds came down
There was even a rule where the referee would call a penalty for excessive noise. Of course the penalty was against the home team, so in a few cases where fans of the visiting team would start making as much noise as the could to cause the home teem to keep losing yards.
I got this right away, even as a Brit. I am a cheesehead though.
I'm at 0:50 and have two questions: Was the game played in Dallas or Green Bay? If Green Bay then were the whistles metal?
Green Bay, and yes.
Makes sense it was back in the 60s, this is a fixed problem now. Whistles have a rubber grip on the end for exactly this reason. It is still a problem for brass-players in marching band. Either you keep the mouthpiece warm in your hand or pocket, or they sell special plastic mouthpieces specifically for marching band.
My high school made state one year, which meant we had to play in the freezing post-season, and we all hated every moment of it.
Are full podcast available anywhere in video form like this?
AFAIK there isn't
They do record them but I think they don't plan on uploading full casts until the website/audio only versions make more money.
@@AshtonMossPunkah that is really annoying then, I really don’t listen to audio versions well and drift off. Full video versions would be really helpful to me…
@onctaaf @@AshtonMossPunk It's not a money thing - it's just that our podcast platform doesn't support video at the moment (it's currently in beta), and we're not fans of how RUclips Music has implemented podcasts. -- David (producer)
@@lateralcastwhat's the platform in beta ?
@@NickTaylorRickPowers megaphone
This game is actually when “the frozen tundra of Lambeau Field” was first said. It’s credited to Steve Sabol who is now the head of NFL films.
Spoilers… kinda
In 1967, the NFL had competition in the form of the American Football League, or AFL.
This season was the second to feature of the NFL and AFL champions playing a “world championship” game between them… which would not be called the “Super Bowl” officially until the next season.
So this game was the championship for the NFL as it existed at the time, and the game that retroactively became Super Bowl II was played 2 weeks later, January 14, 1968, in Miami.
The AFL and NFL would merge in time for the 1970 season.
Got this right away. Don't think I've heard of the event before.
I was thinking the year was vital, that was a protest, or tribute, or something. Like dirty hippies were blowing whistles to protest war, and the referees didn't want to act like dirty hippies.... or something.
Bob the famous Referee had passed away, would never blow his whistle again, so in tribute, they had a game of whistle silence, except for the first one, which the rules required.
I think I remember this story: it is prank related.
Edit: nope.
I was thinking trained birds swarming.
Wtf how can they even play in temperature like that?
Why don't they just reschedule the game?
The story I heard was that the metal ball inside the whistle became frozen to the inside, rendering the whistles useless. I still got there immediately after hearing the teams, but the word "refused" threw me off.
And now they use pealess plastic whistles
I thought for sure this was going to be the story of the guy who went to the stadium a few times a week during the off season, wearing a black and white striped shirt and blowing a whistle while feeding the birds. He got the birds used to getting food from him, so when the first game of the season was played and the refs started blowing their whistles, they got swarmed by birds looking for food.
I thought maybe the answer related to having a deaf player on one of the teams and the referees wanted to ensure fair and equal access to all players.
currently at 1:38 and im betting that its the Pavlov experiment with the pigeons or doves or something
edit: ok nvm i was wrong😅
Is it because Brett Favre retired for the 3rd time but still refused to actually retire?
Could have used... cowbells, instead?
my first thought was something to do with being on strike or similar
SPOILER SHIELD (?)
My first thought: a prankster replaced their whistles with duck callers.
I was thinking maybe the head referee's whistle flew out of his mouth and into a cow pie, then everyone else was too grossed out about it to blow their own. Apparently not... 😁
Made me think of the ski chairlift scene from Dumb and Dumber... "oh look, frost"
One of my friends dad for a bit always brought a whistle to CFL games, not to confuse the players, just to show support for the Edmonton Elks (fka Eskamos), but found out what seat and asked him not to blow it anymore
The peas in the whistles froze. The officials said "Stop" at the end of the play.
They had a new type of whistle & it made every seeing-eye dog in the stadium bite it's owner : )
As soon as you mentioned the team names I knew the answer before even the year and question.
You also have whistles you don't blow nowadays too.
On the noise magnifying glass thing, I believe that's Qwest Field, home of the Seattle Seahawks. Loudest stadium in the NFL
Lumen Field now. Hasn’t been called Qwest since 2011
wasnt there a recent issue with a cold match
They could have wrapped them in a few layers of electrical tape, or another tape, to avoid the problem, but I wouldn't have thought of it in the moment either and I sure wouldn't have had a roll handy.
They could have borrowed some medical tape from one of the teams
knew this one right away.
3:50 I see Bob says "wis-CON-sin". It's odd how some people say "wis-CON-sin" and some say "wi-SCON-sin". Can any Wisconsonians/Wisconsinites/Wichiganders confirm the correct pronunciation?
Both are correct, and I doubt anyone would notice which was used.
it’s pronounced ‘cheeseheads’
A native Cheesehead will say 'Scons'n" :D
(Visiting a fellow Cheesehead in Oklahoma, her southern boyfriend asked why something about why I wasn't cold. "I'm from Wisconsin!" My friend looked at me in surprise and commented "You said the "Wi"!. "Yeah... It was for *emphasis*." She thought for a second and then nodded in understanding. :D
I think I have heard of this before.
I was wrong, the one I had heard of was a prank, someone had conditioned wild birds to get fed at a game. But that could have been the flag throw as well.
The obvious question is... why didn't they call the game on account of weather? Michigan's closed schools for less! I don't generally say this, but... poor Dallas.
Because it was a) a championship game (also known as the Super Bowl), and b) Green Bay doesn't call a game for *anything*. -40? That's just another day in the Bay. :)
(I lived there for 9 years, and that's where I spent my coldest day waiting for the bus: -50°F, -70° with the windchill. The university was still open, and I think the public schools were as well)
@@BlazeMiskulin LOL Yes, well, it takes TWO teams to play. I see the Packers won that game... one might say they had an unfair advantage!
@@BlazeMiskulinnot the Super Bowl ... winner went to the Super Bowl
Did like, snow or ice fall from the, rafters?
What rafters? Lambeau Field is an entirely outdoor stadium.
@@blindleader42 Or to put it an easier to understand way, the stands don't have rooves.
@@MrDannyDetail How is "outdoor stadium" difficult to understand?
@@blindleader42 Because basically ALL stadiums are outdoors, as opposed to being enclosed by some larger building. Usually (but not always) the stands have their own rooves, whilst still being fairly open to the elements at the front, and sometimes there is a bigger roof that can be moved over the pitch/field/ice in bad weather, but anything that was permanently indoors would probably be described as a sports hall/court/gymnasium/indoor pitch/ice rink etc rather than a stadium. Perhaps we just don't really have the notion of an 'indoor stadium' in the UK and its's more known in the US? I did have to look up a picture of Lambreau Field before I understood what you meant by 'entirely outdoor stadium' because at first I though the 'entirely outdoor' part meant there was no building structures there at all, like it was literally just a field or something.
does anyone know why whole episodes on video aren't available anymore?
Whole episodes were _never_ available on video, and the videos have always been highlights/adverts for the podcast.
A Lateral producer responded in another comment: the podcast platform they use for Lateral is in beta and does not yet support video (but it will in time), and they don't like the way RUclips Music handles podcasts (fair enough). So we don't have full episodes in video format now, but the team is working on it.
@@blindleader42 ruclips.net/video/5WysuFh0bNg/видео.htmlsi=l2MVKjUjo9cIIEl- episode one full video
1:36 - No, this doesn't happen in europe, because we don't pump artificial crowd noise into the stadium via speakers like the NFL does. The natural loudness of our crowds is plenty and can't be silenced by the refs...
I've refereed a couple of times in below freezing and yes, I did end up bleeding on my whistle. But the alternative was using plastic, and that's just not something I'm willing to stoop to.
17776, anyone?
It was so cold they would stick to the lips. The ice bowl.
spoilers, dude
ooh I think I know this one. Check the replies to find out if I'm right!
I did! Well done me.
Wow, I just hit myself with a ballistic face palm, did they really not think to simply HOLD THE WHISTLES IN THEIR HANDS!? Warming them up in the process. Ooff what a, what a.... I have no words 😂
-48°F Wind Chill. It freezes in a few seconds. Officials need to have it in the mouth most of the time. That and their hands aren't much above freezing.