One thing I realized while rereading the first arc was how close the Queens’ relationships with Bluestar was. They were often by Bluestar’s side when she was ill and were some of the only cats to be invited into her den (which was described as a great honor in the first arc)
I wonder if it’s because of how hard her pregnancy was and the loss of her own kits that she feels such a kinship and close connection with the queens.
Additionally, it seemed many queens took on the role of queen as an almost permanent rank. As if they enjoyed motherhood so much they took on the role of constantly having kits so the clan would always have more warriors. If I was to ask you to name arc 1 queens, everyone would very easily come up with the names, Brindleface, Frostfur, Goldenflower, ect. whereas if asked about the queens in the later arcs, no queens (with the exception of Daisy) were ever constant enough to come to your mind. I enjoyed seeing the queens have different mates just for the pure purpose of bringing about the next generation of the clan. It made them feel like actual cats rather than just humans. I’m not saying cats can’t have forever mates who they have one litter with cause I enjoyed the family structure certain characters had too but I also enjoyed the cats who took on the role of queen almost permanently as it made the clan seem like a family within itself rather than so divided. It was clear each cat had a purpose and was also more realistic considering the story is about cats not a human family. Another little point, is in arc 1 the senior warriors seemed more like a defined rank of characters who constantly assisted and supported the deputy and leader and often had meetings with the leader whereas in the later arcs this kind of fades out.
@@spiritfang36aj47 Definitely! Also the elders were dwindled down to just sitting in the elder’s den and saying one-liners about some Firestar reference or whatever. I feel like in the older books they too served more of a purpose and brought up facts we the readers didn’t know about the warriors world and even gave main characters advice (this was especially shown in Bluestar’s book)
@@beedoesthings8037 I’d like to think that the queens had two jobs in the beginning arc. Which was to take care of the kits as well as any other cats who needed help. They did care for Yellowfang too after Fireheart was relieved of that duty. In general they were caretakers and protectors in their own way. They also were the main line of defense for the nursery as well as the elders. The queens were badass tbh. Warriors and mothers-I loved how the queens were originally written 🥹
I always headcanon the reason why first arc feels different is bcs it's from Fireheart's pov, an outsider, who probabily didn't noticed family relations within the clan members, bcs tbh even in later arcs families wont interact with each to publicly, even if you know that Snowbush is his kits' father, he would not interact with them anyway
Apprentices journeying to the Moonstone is mentioned in Power of Three, when the three go to the mountains to help the tribe cats. Leafpool says: "We seem to have left that tradition behind, but I think there's value in apprentices making a long journey, to see what lies beyond their territories."
One thing i remember being taken aback by when i reread one of the 1st series books was how often cat noises were like. Phonetically transcribed in dialogue. Cats were just herr saying "Mrrow" in the middle of conversations
leafpool brought it up somewhere in the second or third series after the move to the lake that the new apprentices are lucky they dont have to go visit the moonstone to become a warrior, then it completely forgotten
6:25 Vicky mentioned that the reason for the first arc not taking into account the family structures or the kits parents and their relationships with them is because they never expect the series to take off as it did, which is why in the newer arcs, the kits parents are noted and their relationship with them.
The first arc is absolutely amazing. I still remember stumbling upon Into The Wild while trying to find a book for a school assignment. Still can't fathom that Warriors is 21 years old, thats older than probably over half the Fandom
On the topic of queens having multiple litters at once: Goldenflower had 2 litters! Bramblekit and Tawnykit were Tigerclaw's, but she also was the mother of Swiftpaw, whose father was Patchpelt! Patchpelt isn't ever mentioned explicitly as Swiftpaw's father in the arc, but it is said that Swiftpaw is *not* Tigerclaw's son. (Patchpelt was confirmed as his father later by the Erins, and it's mentioned on the wiki)
For the kits allowed out of camp stuff, it is true. In Bluestar’s Prophecy Sunfall bring Bluekit out of camp to take a look at the territory. Yes, she was already six moons (she gets her ceremony when she comes back from her trip), but still a kit. Perhaps kits specifically six moons can go out of camp? Nah, that’s odd. Not allowing kits out of camp could be something they started doing after reaching the lake territories, and were still unsure of what dangers there could be? It could have just sticked to them like that. Anyways, i feel like most of these errors/misunderstandings/changes are because the books are written by a team of people and not just 1, they could’ve had different ideas or just forgot/were not informed about certain things.
nah, this error is strictly super edition related. All the main series books have kits can't leave camp. Super editions are kinda noted as being "less canon". If you read Crookedstar's Promise, Bluestar's Prophecy, and Yellowfang's Secret (three super editions that take place at roughly the same time) they even manage to screw up the timeline there and just straight up change things that were established in the main series
I feel like a lot of this can be explained by the first arc not fleshing out the world and perhaps being just standalone. We didnt have a medicine cat POV so it was only when we did that they had to flesh that out. Fireheart wouldnt have been very aware of medicine cat culture being a warrior from outside the clan. Its only the second arc in which we go into full detail with the medicine cat ceremonies. It wasnt until the second arc where they had to actually solidify the customs. And also the other clans being mysterious is because the POV is from an outsider who wouldnt know the other cats. They were also in a period of war amongst each other from the time sunstar was leader. Id love to see some more full series books based on the time between dawn of the clans and the first arc. with a completely new host of characters and picking on a new leader from between thunderstar and redstar.
Personally, I think a lot of the customs that were mentioned in the first arc probably still happen, they just happen in the background. The first arc, this world was completely new to us, we had no idea what was going on or why things were done the way that they were. The reasons were then introduced to us through specifically mentioning them. After things are already established, though, it would just end up being a broken record of repeating same ceremonies and customs over and over. One example I have are the warrior vigils (I forget the exact name or if that’s it, but after they’re promoted from apprentice to warrior, the silent watch they keep over night). We see this happen in the first arc, but to my knowledge we don’t see it happen very often after then. I do believe however that in one of the later arcs, someone mentions having to keep their vigil later that night. So it never stopped happening, but only so much can be done with that before it becomes a boring plot point to go through, if it can even be called that. At least, that’s my take on it! I do agree that the moonstone visits did actually stop, at the very least they definitely stopped once they moved territories and had the moonpool instead. I wish that had been kept, I think that is a super interesting thing that they did and makes sense for the culture they have of holding Starclan as an authority.
this is fair! some of them do only happen in really specific circumstances (deputy before moonhigh thing) so it makes sense we don't hear about those as often
Bluestar explicitly mentions that she's apprenticing Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw early in Fire and Ice after Graystripe says none of Frostfur's kits are six moons. While it isn't impossible Frostfur had two litters close together it isn't really on-page either. Bluestar apprenticed Fernpaw and Ashpaw late so it is possible Brightpaw and Thornpaw were also apprenticed late, though this is also not on-page.
i misremembered that the apprentice ceremony for cinderpaw and brackenpaw was immediately after that interaction with bluestar, for some reason i thought there was time between that, so i am less sure that they could be seperate litters, thanks for pointing that out! i do think that the wording "two of" her kits are almost ready and "none of frostfur's kits" instead of just "frostfur's kits" being too young could be implicative of multiple litters, but obviously that's super nitpicky and could mean nothing haha. if they are the same litter, i do think it's interesting that they decided to apprentice cinderpaw and brackenpaw early but not brightpaw and thornpaw
8:37 On this note about Frostfur’s kits, I am pretty sure they are from the same litter. They are Cinderkit, Brightkit, Thornkit, and Brackenkit, they were either born before Firepaw joined the clan or very soon after, I can’t remember. Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw are apprenticed before 6 moons because Bluestar wanted Fireheart and Greystripe to have apprentices. Also a cat pregnancy is 2 months, and I can’t imagine not taking a break between litters, so It typically is just one litter per mother.
@@jettash0720 Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw became apprentices early in Fire and Ice, the same book where Cinderpaw has her accident. Brightpaw and Thornpaw instead, are apprenticed only in Forest of Secrets. This means Cinderpaw should’ve still been in the nursery in Fire and Ice, and if she was, she wouldn’t have got run over by a car.
In "Crookedstars promise" the travel to the Moonstone is also present and if I remember correctly quite important. But yes, it fades quite soon and mostlly is forgotten
I'm saying lore wise maybe it changed because they moved territories and left the moonstone and decided not to keep the same customs with the moonpool for some reason I can't say for the prequel books though as crookedstar's is only one I read
The Journey to the Moonpool does pop up in a few books - Bluestar, Crookedstar, Tallstar and Yellowfang's super editions all show the respective cat's journeys. And Crowpaw mentions making the journey with his mentor in Midnight and in the same book Squirrelpaw is mentioned to be freightened of far territories because she hadn't made it yet.
not having to announce the father of the kits is also smart because then queens could have kits with rouges/loners more often (or cats from other clans) without being questioned and bring better genetic diversity into the clan and prevent in-breeding which runs rampant in later books
and it's not mentioned how old he is so he may not have even been 6 moons old, he was described as a kitten a few times when 6 months is full size and nearly an adult for irl cats
@@carriioneater Do also keep in mind that the books don’t follow IRL cat aging, kittens run around and talk about 1 day after they are born while in reality they should be useless flopping potatoes for the first 1-2 weeks. It also doesn’t really follow correct cat anatomy either, with Leafpool at one point popping Whitepaw’s tail back like a joint
3:42 I do remember in Midnight when Brambleclaw mentioned that "Squirrelpaw hadn't yet been to the moonstone". I think this implies that the tradition was still a thing in arc 2, despite us never seeing it again. The tradition must've died out after they went to the new territory and got the moonpool instead.
You can find a few PDF files out there for a good chunk of the newer books starting from A Vision of Shadows if that interests you. Googling "warrior cats [insert book name] pdf" should find it easy enough
i can really agree with you in the parents conversation. I always just assumed that the writers actually started caring about parents in OotS, cause it seemed like Dovewing often went to Whitewing for support, and in TBC with how much Tigerstar and Dovewing worry and stand up for Shadowsight when he was trying to be believed. Though i think the closest I've really seen to an apprentice and their mother being very close is Frostpaw with Curlfeather or Bluepaw with Moonflower. If you read the books where their mothers passed it really affected how Bluepaw and Frostpaw's chapters seemed, and you could tell there was much more grief in their thoughts afterwards.
hard agree. The books don't really know how to write relationships in general tho after OotS. Mainly cause they write 1 and then kill one of the two cats off
I totally forgot about the "leaders mentor deputy's kits" thing. That rule definitely doesn't apply now lol. Oh and omg, Cinderpelt having no naming ceremony was so confusing when I first read it. I was like, "Um, did I skip something?". Also, I don't know why but Arc 1 feels different compared to the other arcs. Arc 1 had such a nice feeling to it whenever I read it.
For Cinderpelts naming, I always explained it in my had as a naming ceremony and medic ceremont being different? Where once a cat become 12 moons old, they get their full name - but medics continue their training otherwise. But this doesnt happen in other books even though it couldve been coold, I remember Featherwhisker being an apprentice with a full name too (under Goosefeather)
@@seekingdecay Fair, the inconsistency comes from the fact that none of the erins write the books anymore. TBC has an entirely different team behind it
Idk if someone mentioned it before but the trip to the moonpool is mentioned few times in The power of three, especially in Outcast because they take the trip to the mountains as something like a trip to the moonpool, and I think it's sometimes mentioned just like the senior warriors talking about the trip to the moonpool and stuff. I don't know if it is also in other arcs in my language, the books that are translated is only Power of three
Honestly the first arc still hits different. It’s the best one imo. I think it kinda got a bit too big for itself eventually given how quickly the books came out. I only read up to fourth apprentice but i reread the first arc so much back in the day. It was definitely my favourite arc
I think Frostfur had one litter of four but just didn't thought that Brightkit and Thornkit weren't ready enough. But i could be totaly wrong becouse the books gave us two different age gaps between the four siblings. 1. When they were taken by Clawface, all of them are the same age (visualy stated in Exile from Shadowclan comic) 2. In the little comic at the end of Yellowfang's secret super edition. We can see that Cinderpaw is prepairing for her medicine cat ceremony and two of her mentioned siblings are still kits I personaly think all of them are the same age but yeah it's pretty confusing
Yeah I think so too! I think another thing in the first arc is that there are no definitive times set on like, when someone becomes an apprentice and then a warrior. (I.e. Sandstorm and Dustpelt becoming warriors later than Greystripe and Fireheart, as well as Brightpaw and Swiftpaw being “held back” by Bluestar in a way) So it could easily be “ok these two are ready for apprenticeship (as in, they’re a bit more mature and developed compared to the other two, they’re mentally and physically ready for it), the other two not quite yet” instead of every kit without fail being apprenticed at 6 moons. 6 moons is a MINIMUM age someone has to be before being apprenticed, not a requirement of when someone starts. (And also, there’s a big difference between “just turned 6 moons” and “6 moons, about to turn 7 moons” in terms of development)
don’t even get me started on all the traditions that just got lost to a lack of consistency ! it makes me so mad sometimes ! especially when they do predictions that never get addressed again (ie they dropped that there’s like THE clan (thunder , shadow etc) cat spirits and they had to get involved with something but then it’s never addressed again what they actually are interfering with)
You read it ~ she definitely mentions the time she went to the moon stone after yellow fang is gone. She has a naming ceremony in star clan essentially
i swear i remember a whole scene where cinderpaw comes back from her naming ceremony and firepelt asks about what happened and she says it's a "medicine cat secret", did i just imagine all of that???
3:40 i vividly remember this because of my recent reading of his super edition, but crookedstar also went to the moonstone along with willowbreeze and graypool (all apprentices at the time, of course)
I’ve actually always interpreted the Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw getting apprenticed before Brightpaw and Thornpaw as implying that kits weren’t automatically apprenticed at 6 moons and rather informally assessed for their readiness to become apprentices. Not that two of the kits were older than the second pair.
in ravenpaw's path, he mentions how (apparently) he, dustpaw and sandpaw made the journey to the moonstone. this is kinda wrong because he went with graypaw and firepaw but... maybe he went again in canon with them idk oh and! in yellowfang's secret the naming ceremony is shown in the little comic at the end. but like it's her becoming a full medicine cat and yellowfang is alive???
I was a HUGE Warriors fan from 2007-2014 I owned almost every book from that time, while I don’t read Warriors anymore I still like to keep up with what happens in the series especially to characters I loved in my youth
I actually think Cinderkit, Brackenkit, Thornkit and Brightkit were of the same litter in TPB! Bluestar admits Cinderkit and Brackenkit aren't old enough to begin training but are "otherwise ready". It makes me think Thornkit and Brightkit were late bloomers or something lol
8:58 while this could imply that, I also think it could imply that sometimes kits form the same litter become apprenticed at different times if their mother doesn’t think they’re ready. However that would also imply that kits are being prepared and such while still in the nursery so 🤷 🤷♀️ 🤷♂️
I always prefer the vibes of the first series, they felt more like real feral cats rather than 4-legged furries lol. It seemed more mysterious, starclan really seemed more like deities than just another clan that lives in the sky (i never got why already dead cats can die again..like wtf?? whats the point of an afterlife then), they had more traditional customs, idk in more recent books it doesnt feel the same
Loved this video!! You have such a calming presence. I really enjoy when people compare the older arcs to the newer arcs. There's sooo many differences that I feel aren't talked about enough. Thanks for making this :D
something that was common in the first couple of arcs that is a rarity now is the custom of sharing tongues. it was a really cool way of showing relationships between different cats even if they were just background characters. it brought a lot of life to the cats that we didn't get to see a whole lot of in dialogue or plot-driven elements. seems like the new writers have completely disregarded it and its disappointing, even though it was a small and somewhat insignificant piece of the older books.
The deputy thing isn't really mentioned again because they never really appoint deputies after a long time again, it's always kind of instant. In ThunderClan, Bramblestar names Squilf near instantly after becoming leader, The Impostor's deputies are named pretty quick and Squils appoints Ivypool before even getting her nine lives
I will always prefer the first arc. I completely agree with your point about it being more survival focused. It made them feel like actual cats surviving in a forest whereas in the later arcs, the characters felt more like humans than actual cats. I loved the stakes of arc 1. And oddly enjoyed character constantly dying, the clan struggling to survive under the pressures of changing seasons, the clans going to war over actual territory and hunting like cats actually would. While I do also enjoy the romance aspect of the novels, and do like knowing which cats parented which kits, I did enjoy certain queens having different mates and many different litters as again, it felt more realistic. The way I saw queens in the first arc were, cats who had either fallen in love with a forever mate and had kits or cats who specifically took on the responsibility of reproducing for the sake of the clan, so took on different mates to continue raising kits. It made the rank of queen seem like an actual defined rank. And the way queens in the first arc would help each other raise eachothers kits also showed the unity of the clan. This disappears later on, with the only exception being Daisy from what I remember. I also enjoyed the customs the clans followed as it just created a structure and routine to clan life while welcoming an audience to new traditions. It felt like we were exploring a new world and way of life, while the later arcs completely regress from a lot of the clans traditions, which again, has a more human feel which I personally dislike. In summery, I find arc 1 to be more natural and enjoyable while the later arcs although still good were a lot more superficial and kind of lost the magic that arc 1 had.
One thing I noticed is that actually killing another cat becomes much more wrong as the arcs progress. Like in the first arc Redtail getting killed is a main part of the plot and I don't think anyone really mentions how messed up it is that someone killed him. Also there's times like at a gathering when Tigerclaw is telling the story about how he killed a cat(I cannot remember who I have not read the books in so long😭), it all seems much more normal. But then for example in the 4th(I think?) arc when Lionblaze kills Russetfur it seems way more shocking and there's cats talking about it and giving Lionblaze a ton of hate. And it's mentioned a lot more about how you should never kill another cat unless you absolutely have to. So yeah that's my input thanks for reading 😭
I’m taking this and running with it since I hadn’t read the first arc since 2018 when I was in 5th-6th grade and have taken it upon myself to make clan cultures unique to each other with unspoken agreements
very happy i came across this video, ive been working on my little warrior cats au and i needed some clarity for the things ive skimmed over, especially all the rules with naming a warrior as deputy or the tradition of taking apprentices to the moonstone :3 very sad honestly that even small things like the stuff mentioned by you in the video is not implemented anymore in the main titles
Yeah, it’s pretty interesting how Bracken and Cinder get appreciated way before Bright and Thorn. I’m pretty sure this is the only time a queens had two litters in the nursery at the same time, and it’s not even explicitly stated. Honestly it’s probably just an author oversight
8:42 No…you’ve made a mistake here I think. I believe Cinderkit/pelt and Brackenkit/fur were the same age as Brightkit/heart and Thornkit/claw but were made apprentices earlier
@@StarseekertheNightwing13 to me it makes more sense if they were different ages because there was 2 or more moons difference between when cinder and bracken were apprenticed and when bright and thorn were apprenticed, which i feel it’s unlikely cinder and bracken would be apprenticed that much earlier if they were all one litter because the situation where brokenstar was apprenticing kits early was pretty recent & everyone thought it was horrible, but i could be wrong as it’s just speculation, it’s not explicitly explained either way :)
I love this video and love seeing people talk about warriors bc we're running out of warriors youtubers 😭😭 please do more! I'd love to see your opinions about the medicine cat code, the warrior code changes after A Vision Of Shadows and disabilities in warriors (such as Brightheart never getting an apprentice and most/all disabled cats being forced to become medicine cats even if they don't want to like Jayfeather) I REALLY want to see what you come up with!
I think it's meant to be that medicine cats meet every half moon, including at gatherings. So gatherings are at a full moon, and their other meetings would be on a new moon? Maybe?
Tallstar goes to the Moonstone in his super edition- I wish they still kept this tradition, especially since the Moonstone is so much closer to their territories. Now it’s just Jayfeather telling warriors to stay away from it
7:04 This only reminds me of the one internet comment that said "My head cannon is that the clan cats could produce asexually before Firepaw came to the clan, then they didnt want to confuse him so they stopped"
10:25 I have a little head cannon where CinderPelt was called that even though still being an apprentice was because of some strange forgotten and unmentioned rule that arc 1 forgot was a medicine cat apprentice could be named but they wernt like a full medicine cat untill the medicine cat retiered or died
There are actually a couple other cats who went to the moonstone before becoming a warrior. Well, O can only think of one right now, and that’s Mothwing. In Midnight, series 2 book 1, it was mentioned.
I remember really liking Firestar as a kid and even based an English project I had in elementary about him, my warriors phase was a dark time but it was the thing to introduce me to fandoms and I greatly appreciate it
I am about to start my own youtube channel and as someone who was also a huge "warrior cats enjoyer" I am definitely going to dig into this series at some point. I was surprised; you were right, I actually didnt remember some of these inconsistencies and now it's bothering me haha
Sunnyfall's "A Trip Through Time" does in depth summary of the books in order and moonkitti's "I spoil" series does slightly less in depth more humorous in-order summaries with visuals!
Ive been meaning to reread the first arc. its just sitting there on my shelf. (I have all the books organized in chronological order.. nerdiest thing ever i know)
The lack of Cinderpelt's naming ceremony confused so badly the official Spanish translator of the books that she left her apprentice name for the rest of the books. No joking.
Medicine cats are referred to as apprentices until the full medicine cat steps down i think? Alderheart is still considered jayfeathers apprentice, jay was considered leafpools until she was removed from her position I think a lot of the points mentioned are implied to be off screen just because of how much time passes in the first book? Into the wild passes through whats now about 3 books in an arc
I think in the later arcs the no kits outside of camp rule is probably due to the different territory, there may be more natural risks to kits in the lake territories compared to the forest territories like the new-fangled fox traps, badgers are a bigger risk, the lake is a risk, if they wander too far they could fall in and drown, etc etc so it makes a little bit of sense to me at least
and also in the old arcs Medicine cat apprentices stay apprentices until their mentors die, even after they get their full name from the leader/starclan, i think it's basically that they get accepted as a full medicine cat afterwards which is why they go to the moonstone
The fact that Warriors first and part of second arc is set in south Eastern England and then the rest is Northern England makes the weather confusing tbh. Cause the North of England has harsher winters than us in the South. But tbf the UK is generally pretty mild at the worst of times. Like it’s 20C today and it’s boiling to me but my gf (from North-East coast USA, think near/in New York-Maine area or something) and it’s nowhere near as bad for her. They have harsher winters and summers
GIRLLLL, I recently had to take a super long road trip and I listened to the first 3 books on audiobook and after not reading the first arc since elementary school I was SHOOK
Warrior cats is so amazing for it to be 21 years old, ive been reading it for 7 years im now 17 :D i dont think ill ever stop or get rid of my collection. I have every single book and some.of the old covers even!
was it ever mentioned that tigerclaw's least favorite prey is squirrel because he doesn't like their fur? i've had this tidbit in my head ever since i first started reading warriors (~2013) and i literally can find no mention of it anywhere
i thought that cinderpelt was awarded her name as an honor when they thought she would pass away from being ran over. After that, they couldn’t take it back but still performed the rest of the ceremony
With frostfur's kits I'm not sure if there is two separate litters. At least my interpretation was that Cinderpelt, Brackenfur, Brightheart, and Thornclaw were part of the same litter, and I think there was a lack of apprentices at the time, leading them to apprentice Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw a little early. And while I know the wiki isn't always a credible source, it also suggests that they are all one litter. The main text evidence I have is that it is said that frostfur's kits are stolen at one point by clawface and in the manga version of this scene, they are all relatively the same size. Considering that cat gestation is around 65 days , or two moons, I would think that they would have a large size difference to be two separate litters. However, I am also intrigued by your interpretation of this, as I think it would be interesting for there to be two litters by the same queen in the nursery.
yeah this was one of those things where it was mainly an assumption, but i think them being separate litters makes more sense. before brightpaw and thornpaw's apprentice ceremony it's mentioned that cinderpaw and brackenpaw were made apprentices a few moons before, which would mean (if they were all the same litter) cinder + bracken were apprenticed at least 2 moons early, which personally i think is unlikely considering how horrible thunderclan thought it was that brokenstar was making kits apprentices really early. i think a few moons age difference is entirely possible, but it's also purely speculation so there's a chance i'm way off haha :)
What always confused me about Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw was that they were canonically apprenticed early--considerably so. Bluestar defended it by saying that ThunderClan had few warriors/warriors-in-training, but it always stuck out to me because this was *right* after they helped ShadowClan get rid of Brokenstar, who was notorious for the same thing. They never say who father of Cinder, Bracken, Thorn, and Bright are, but the wiki says they're all Lionheart's kits? And that's the implication I got from the text too, at least, since all four of the cats are always referred to as siblings, and half-siblings almost never get that attention (Swiftpaw and Bramblekit are never mentioned as brothers, for example)
'what the fuck cloudkit' is the best line i've heard in my life
Agreed
sounds like smth fireheart would have told him-
That line represents him perfectly
One thing I realized while rereading the first arc was how close the Queens’ relationships with Bluestar was. They were often by Bluestar’s side when she was ill and were some of the only cats to be invited into her den (which was described as a great honor in the first arc)
I wonder if it’s because of how hard her pregnancy was and the loss of her own kits that she feels such a kinship and close connection with the queens.
Additionally, it seemed many queens took on the role of queen as an almost permanent rank. As if they enjoyed motherhood so much they took on the role of constantly having kits so the clan would always have more warriors. If I was to ask you to name arc 1 queens, everyone would very easily come up with the names, Brindleface, Frostfur, Goldenflower, ect. whereas if asked about the queens in the later arcs, no queens (with the exception of Daisy) were ever constant enough to come to your mind. I enjoyed seeing the queens have different mates just for the pure purpose of bringing about the next generation of the clan. It made them feel like actual cats rather than just humans. I’m not saying cats can’t have forever mates who they have one litter with cause I enjoyed the family structure certain characters had too but I also enjoyed the cats who took on the role of queen almost permanently as it made the clan seem like a family within itself rather than so divided. It was clear each cat had a purpose and was also more realistic considering the story is about cats not a human family. Another little point, is in arc 1 the senior warriors seemed more like a defined rank of characters who constantly assisted and supported the deputy and leader and often had meetings with the leader whereas in the later arcs this kind of fades out.
@@spiritfang36aj47 Definitely! Also the elders were dwindled down to just sitting in the elder’s den and saying one-liners about some Firestar reference or whatever. I feel like in the older books they too served more of a purpose and brought up facts we the readers didn’t know about the warriors world and even gave main characters advice (this was especially shown in Bluestar’s book)
@@beedoesthings8037 I’d like to think that the queens had two jobs in the beginning arc. Which was to take care of the kits as well as any other cats who needed help. They did care for Yellowfang too after Fireheart was relieved of that duty. In general they were caretakers and protectors in their own way. They also were the main line of defense for the nursery as well as the elders. The queens were badass tbh. Warriors and mothers-I loved how the queens were originally written 🥹
You are a medicine cat apprentice until your mentor dies even if you get your med name, it was said by Jayfeather in Power of Three
nvm should have litsend futher
I always headcanon the reason why first arc feels different is bcs it's from Fireheart's pov, an outsider, who probabily didn't noticed family relations within the clan members, bcs tbh even in later arcs families wont interact with each to publicly, even if you know that Snowbush is his kits' father, he would not interact with them anyway
Apprentices journeying to the Moonstone is mentioned in Power of Three, when the three go to the mountains to help the tribe cats. Leafpool says: "We seem to have left that tradition behind, but I think there's value in apprentices making a long journey, to see what lies beyond their territories."
I remember that when I first read that I was like oh I forgot about that
One thing i remember being taken aback by when i reread one of the 1st series books was how often cat noises were like. Phonetically transcribed in dialogue. Cats were just herr saying "Mrrow" in the middle of conversations
leafpool brought it up somewhere in the second or third series after the move to the lake that the new apprentices are lucky they dont have to go visit the moonstone to become a warrior, then it completely forgotten
yeah I remember that, it seems in-universe that it was a tradition that was dropped after the move
I very specifically remember that scene. Forgot it was Leafpool though.
6:25 Vicky mentioned that the reason for the first arc not taking into account the family structures or the kits parents and their relationships with them is because they never expect the series to take off as it did, which is why in the newer arcs, the kits parents are noted and their relationship with them.
Also the fact that leaders would usually mentor deputy kits so Bluestar meantoring fireheart was seen as taboo.
It's not really a taboo thing the elders just say that bluestar has only mentored deputies kits although this is not shown in the prequels
The first arc is absolutely amazing. I still remember stumbling upon Into The Wild while trying to find a book for a school assignment. Still can't fathom that Warriors is 21 years old, thats older than probably over half the Fandom
On the topic of queens having multiple litters at once: Goldenflower had 2 litters! Bramblekit and Tawnykit were Tigerclaw's, but she also was the mother of Swiftpaw, whose father was Patchpelt! Patchpelt isn't ever mentioned explicitly as Swiftpaw's father in the arc, but it is said that Swiftpaw is *not* Tigerclaw's son. (Patchpelt was confirmed as his father later by the Erins, and it's mentioned on the wiki)
Wow, so the more anthropomorphized cats later in the series is new.
20 years later, and I still think Scourge and BloodClan were the absolute best villans in the series.
the fact that scourge took away every single one of tigerstar's lives is so hardcore it's so hard to top that moment
Darktail and the Kin do way more damage
@@Shadowfate93 true, however I personally find Scourge to be more iconic.
@@myamomxi dont think Tigerstar actually got his nine lives from StarClan
@@Firelodge_WChonestly……I’ve never thought about that, but I think you right!
Am I the only one who remembers that the only reason Rusty joined the clan was because he didnt want to get spayed??
Edit: I meant neutered
Same!
Spaying is for girl cats not boy cats buy cats are neutered
It's neutered but I get what you're saying, but me too ngl
Bluestar: “If you join our cult, you’ll be able to keep your balls”.
Rusty: “Hmm…Okay!”
definitely not the only reason, but was noted as being one of the reasons
For the kits allowed out of camp stuff, it is true.
In Bluestar’s Prophecy Sunfall bring Bluekit out of camp to take a look at the territory. Yes, she was already six moons (she gets her ceremony when she comes back from her trip), but still a kit. Perhaps kits specifically six moons can go out of camp? Nah, that’s odd.
Not allowing kits out of camp could be something they started doing after reaching the lake territories, and were still unsure of what dangers there could be? It could have just sticked to them like that.
Anyways, i feel like most of these errors/misunderstandings/changes are because the books are written by a team of people and not just 1, they could’ve had different ideas or just forgot/were not informed about certain things.
nah, this error is strictly super edition related. All the main series books have kits can't leave camp. Super editions are kinda noted as being "less canon". If you read Crookedstar's Promise, Bluestar's Prophecy, and Yellowfang's Secret (three super editions that take place at roughly the same time) they even manage to screw up the timeline there and just straight up change things that were established in the main series
I feel like a lot of this can be explained by the first arc not fleshing out the world and perhaps being just standalone. We didnt have a medicine cat POV so it was only when we did that they had to flesh that out. Fireheart wouldnt have been very aware of medicine cat culture being a warrior from outside the clan. Its only the second arc in which we go into full detail with the medicine cat ceremonies.
It wasnt until the second arc where they had to actually solidify the customs. And also the other clans being mysterious is because the POV is from an outsider who wouldnt know the other cats. They were also in a period of war amongst each other from the time sunstar was leader. Id love to see some more full series books based on the time between dawn of the clans and the first arc. with a completely new host of characters and picking on a new leader from between thunderstar and redstar.
Personally, I think a lot of the customs that were mentioned in the first arc probably still happen, they just happen in the background. The first arc, this world was completely new to us, we had no idea what was going on or why things were done the way that they were. The reasons were then introduced to us through specifically mentioning them. After things are already established, though, it would just end up being a broken record of repeating same ceremonies and customs over and over.
One example I have are the warrior vigils (I forget the exact name or if that’s it, but after they’re promoted from apprentice to warrior, the silent watch they keep over night). We see this happen in the first arc, but to my knowledge we don’t see it happen very often after then. I do believe however that in one of the later arcs, someone mentions having to keep their vigil later that night. So it never stopped happening, but only so much can be done with that before it becomes a boring plot point to go through, if it can even be called that. At least, that’s my take on it!
I do agree that the moonstone visits did actually stop, at the very least they definitely stopped once they moved territories and had the moonpool instead. I wish that had been kept, I think that is a super interesting thing that they did and makes sense for the culture they have of holding Starclan as an authority.
this is fair! some of them do only happen in really specific circumstances (deputy before moonhigh thing) so it makes sense we don't hear about those as often
Bluestar explicitly mentions that she's apprenticing Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw early in Fire and Ice after Graystripe says none of Frostfur's kits are six moons. While it isn't impossible Frostfur had two litters close together it isn't really on-page either. Bluestar apprenticed Fernpaw and Ashpaw late so it is possible Brightpaw and Thornpaw were also apprenticed late, though this is also not on-page.
i misremembered that the apprentice ceremony for cinderpaw and brackenpaw was immediately after that interaction with bluestar, for some reason i thought there was time between that, so i am less sure that they could be seperate litters, thanks for pointing that out! i do think that the wording "two of" her kits are almost ready and "none of frostfur's kits" instead of just "frostfur's kits" being too young could be implicative of multiple litters, but obviously that's super nitpicky and could mean nothing haha. if they are the same litter, i do think it's interesting that they decided to apprentice cinderpaw and brackenpaw early but not brightpaw and thornpaw
8:37 On this note about Frostfur’s kits, I am pretty sure they are from the same litter. They are Cinderkit, Brightkit, Thornkit, and Brackenkit, they were either born before Firepaw joined the clan or very soon after, I can’t remember. Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw are apprenticed before 6 moons because Bluestar wanted Fireheart and Greystripe to have apprentices.
Also a cat pregnancy is 2 months, and I can’t imagine not taking a break between litters, so It typically is just one litter per mother.
True! That’s also the reason Cinderpelt got into that accident, i’m pretty sure? She shouldn’t have been an apprentice yet.
@@numberfour1234 Could be true but her actual reason for the accident is because she refused to listen to her mentor when she was told to stay put
@@jettash0720 Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw became apprentices early in Fire and Ice, the same book where Cinderpaw has her accident.
Brightpaw and Thornpaw instead, are apprenticed only in Forest of Secrets.
This means Cinderpaw should’ve still been in the nursery in Fire and Ice, and if she was, she wouldn’t have got run over by a car.
@@numberfour1234 Fair but the book's reasoning itself is that she disobeyed orders
@@jettash0720 What do you mean by “the book reasoning”? If Bluestar hadn’t broken the warrior code, Cinderpaw would have never been hurt.
In "Crookedstars promise" the travel to the Moonstone is also present and if I remember correctly quite important. But yes, it fades quite soon and mostlly is forgotten
I'm saying lore wise maybe it changed because they moved territories and left the moonstone and decided not to keep the same customs with the moonpool for some reason I can't say for the prequel books though as crookedstar's is only one I read
They do this in Tallstars Revenge too
The Journey to the Moonpool does pop up in a few books - Bluestar, Crookedstar, Tallstar and Yellowfang's super editions all show the respective cat's journeys. And Crowpaw mentions making the journey with his mentor in Midnight and in the same book Squirrelpaw is mentioned to be freightened of far territories because she hadn't made it yet.
not having to announce the father of the kits is also smart because then queens could have kits with rouges/loners more often (or cats from other clans) without being questioned and bring better genetic diversity into the clan and prevent in-breeding which runs rampant in later books
Fireheart only trained 2 and a half moons at best. Making him roughly 8 and a half or nine moons old when he became a warrior
I always thought that he was around 7 or 8 moons when he joined thunderclan 😅
and it's not mentioned how old he is so he may not have even been 6 moons old, he was described as a kitten a few times when 6 months is full size and nearly an adult for irl cats
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Do also keep in mind that the books don’t follow IRL cat aging, kittens run around and talk about 1 day after they are born while in reality they should be useless flopping potatoes for the first 1-2 weeks.
It also doesn’t really follow correct cat anatomy either, with Leafpool at one point popping Whitepaw’s tail back like a joint
Sometimes the RUclips algorithm just doesn't disappoint :))
3:42 I do remember in Midnight when Brambleclaw mentioned that "Squirrelpaw hadn't yet been to the moonstone". I think this implies that the tradition was still a thing in arc 2, despite us never seeing it again. The tradition must've died out after they went to the new territory and got the moonpool instead.
As a person who constantly re-reads the books because she dosent have any money or way to obtain the newer books, I forgot some of this tbh.
You can find a few PDF files out there for a good chunk of the newer books starting from A Vision of Shadows if that interests you. Googling "warrior cats [insert book name] pdf" should find it easy enough
i can really agree with you in the parents conversation. I always just assumed that the writers actually started caring about parents in OotS, cause it seemed like Dovewing often went to Whitewing for support, and in TBC with how much Tigerstar and Dovewing worry and stand up for Shadowsight when he was trying to be believed. Though i think the closest I've really seen to an apprentice and their mother being very close is Frostpaw with Curlfeather or Bluepaw with Moonflower. If you read the books where their mothers passed it really affected how Bluepaw and Frostpaw's chapters seemed, and you could tell there was much more grief in their thoughts afterwards.
hard agree. The books don't really know how to write relationships in general tho after OotS. Mainly cause they write 1 and then kill one of the two cats off
I totally forgot about the "leaders mentor deputy's kits" thing. That rule definitely doesn't apply now lol. Oh and omg, Cinderpelt having no naming ceremony was so confusing when I first read it. I was like, "Um, did I skip something?".
Also, I don't know why but Arc 1 feels different compared to the other arcs. Arc 1 had such a nice feeling to it whenever I read it.
For Cinderpelts naming, I always explained it in my had as a naming ceremony and medic ceremont being different? Where once a cat become 12 moons old, they get their full name - but medics continue their training otherwise. But this doesnt happen in other books even though it couldve been coold, I remember Featherwhisker being an apprentice with a full name too (under Goosefeather)
it is stated in later books with Jayfeather still being Leafpools apprentice (and then again later with Alderheart and Jayfeather)
@@BroKenYaKnow but also in TBC they like to treat it like name = full trained medic, which is strange? Its very inconsistent
@@seekingdecay Fair, the inconsistency comes from the fact that none of the erins write the books anymore. TBC has an entirely different team behind it
Uh oh.
You got me back into Warriors.
Idk if someone mentioned it before but the trip to the moonpool is mentioned few times in The power of three, especially in Outcast because they take the trip to the mountains as something like a trip to the moonpool, and I think it's sometimes mentioned just like the senior warriors talking about the trip to the moonpool and stuff. I don't know if it is also in other arcs in my language, the books that are translated is only Power of three
Honestly the first arc still hits different. It’s the best one imo. I think it kinda got a bit too big for itself eventually given how quickly the books came out. I only read up to fourth apprentice but i reread the first arc so much back in the day. It was definitely my favourite arc
I think Frostfur had one litter of four but just didn't thought that Brightkit and Thornkit weren't ready enough. But i could be totaly wrong becouse the books gave us two different age gaps between the four siblings.
1. When they were taken by Clawface, all of them are the same age (visualy stated in Exile from Shadowclan comic)
2. In the little comic at the end of Yellowfang's secret super edition. We can see that Cinderpaw is prepairing for her medicine cat ceremony and two of her mentioned siblings are still kits
I personaly think all of them are the same age but yeah it's pretty confusing
Yeah I think so too! I think another thing in the first arc is that there are no definitive times set on like, when someone becomes an apprentice and then a warrior. (I.e. Sandstorm and Dustpelt becoming warriors later than Greystripe and Fireheart, as well as Brightpaw and Swiftpaw being “held back” by Bluestar in a way)
So it could easily be “ok these two are ready for apprenticeship (as in, they’re a bit more mature and developed compared to the other two, they’re mentally and physically ready for it), the other two not quite yet” instead of every kit without fail being apprenticed at 6 moons. 6 moons is a MINIMUM age someone has to be before being apprenticed, not a requirement of when someone starts. (And also, there’s a big difference between “just turned 6 moons” and “6 moons, about to turn 7 moons” in terms of development)
don’t even get me started on all the traditions that just got lost to a lack of consistency ! it makes me so mad sometimes ! especially when they do predictions that never get addressed again (ie they dropped that there’s like THE clan (thunder , shadow etc) cat spirits and they had to get involved with something but then it’s never addressed again what they actually are interfering with)
You read it ~ she definitely mentions the time she went to the moon stone after yellow fang is gone. She has a naming ceremony in star clan essentially
i swear i remember a whole scene where cinderpaw comes back from her naming ceremony and firepelt asks about what happened and she says it's a "medicine cat secret", did i just imagine all of that???
I also remember this too
That was the ceremony where she became a medicine apprentice I think
3:40 i vividly remember this because of my recent reading of his super edition, but crookedstar also went to the moonstone along with willowbreeze and graypool (all apprentices at the time, of course)
idk about the main books though
I’ve actually always interpreted the Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw getting apprenticed before Brightpaw and Thornpaw as implying that kits weren’t automatically apprenticed at 6 moons and rather informally assessed for their readiness to become apprentices. Not that two of the kits were older than the second pair.
this is some good STUFF right HERE. loved listening to this! hope to see more content from ya!
Bro I hardly remember anything from warriors, it’s like a fever dream. I’ve spent too much time watching and participating in MAPs lol
in ravenpaw's path, he mentions how (apparently) he, dustpaw and sandpaw made the journey to the moonstone. this is kinda wrong because he went with graypaw and firepaw but... maybe he went again in canon with them idk
oh and! in yellowfang's secret the naming ceremony is shown in the little comic at the end. but like it's her becoming a full medicine cat and yellowfang is alive???
This will be such an awesome series!!
I was a HUGE Warriors fan from 2007-2014 I owned almost every book from that time, while I don’t read Warriors anymore I still like to keep up with what happens in the series especially to characters I loved in my youth
Ok real talk this video was really good, i love your humor and style, 10/10 good shit
please make more of these! This was wonderful and i love your voice!
Its always Smallear. He's Speckletail mate in facebook-random-trivia canon, which seems very fitting honestly.
Warriors has kept appearing in my recommended even though I haven’t read it in YEARS. Maybe…maybe this is a sogn
Most of the mentions of apprentices travelling to the moonstone that i've read happen in the super editions.
I actually think Cinderkit, Brackenkit, Thornkit and Brightkit were of the same litter in TPB! Bluestar admits Cinderkit and Brackenkit aren't old enough to begin training but are "otherwise ready". It makes me think Thornkit and Brightkit were late bloomers or something lol
8:58 while this could imply that, I also think it could imply that sometimes kits form the same litter become apprenticed at different times if their mother doesn’t think they’re ready. However that would also imply that kits are being prepared and such while still in the nursery so 🤷 🤷♀️ 🤷♂️
Fun fact: Ashfur was in Arc 1 too, no, no, not the one in Thunderclan. The Shadowclan elder.
I always prefer the vibes of the first series, they felt more like real feral cats rather than 4-legged furries lol. It seemed more mysterious, starclan really seemed more like deities than just another clan that lives in the sky (i never got why already dead cats can die again..like wtf?? whats the point of an afterlife then), they had more traditional customs, idk in more recent books it doesnt feel the same
Loved this video!! You have such a calming presence. I really enjoy when people compare the older arcs to the newer arcs. There's sooo many differences that I feel aren't talked about enough. Thanks for making this :D
no other baby has been that goated
something that was common in the first couple of arcs that is a rarity now is the custom of sharing tongues. it was a really cool way of showing relationships between different cats even if they were just background characters. it brought a lot of life to the cats that we didn't get to see a whole lot of in dialogue or plot-driven elements. seems like the new writers have completely disregarded it and its disappointing, even though it was a small and somewhat insignificant piece of the older books.
The deputy thing isn't really mentioned again because they never really appoint deputies after a long time again, it's always kind of instant.
In ThunderClan, Bramblestar names Squilf near instantly after becoming leader, The Impostor's deputies are named pretty quick and Squils appoints Ivypool before even getting her nine lives
I will always prefer the first arc. I completely agree with your point about it being more survival focused. It made them feel like actual cats surviving in a forest whereas in the later arcs, the characters felt more like humans than actual cats. I loved the stakes of arc 1. And oddly enjoyed character constantly dying, the clan struggling to survive under the pressures of changing seasons, the clans going to war over actual territory and hunting like cats actually would. While I do also enjoy the romance aspect of the novels, and do like knowing which cats parented which kits, I did enjoy certain queens having different mates and many different litters as again, it felt more realistic. The way I saw queens in the first arc were, cats who had either fallen in love with a forever mate and had kits or cats who specifically took on the responsibility of reproducing for the sake of the clan, so took on different mates to continue raising kits. It made the rank of queen seem like an actual defined rank. And the way queens in the first arc would help each other raise eachothers kits also showed the unity of the clan. This disappears later on, with the only exception being Daisy from what I remember. I also enjoyed the customs the clans followed as it just created a structure and routine to clan life while welcoming an audience to new traditions. It felt like we were exploring a new world and way of life, while the later arcs completely regress from a lot of the clans traditions, which again, has a more human feel which I personally dislike. In summery, I find arc 1 to be more natural and enjoyable while the later arcs although still good were a lot more superficial and kind of lost the magic that arc 1 had.
My mind completely blocked out the Cinderpelt thing, I had no idea she had a naming ceremony twice
One thing I noticed is that actually killing another cat becomes much more wrong as the arcs progress. Like in the first arc Redtail getting killed is a main part of the plot and I don't think anyone really mentions how messed up it is that someone killed him. Also there's times like at a gathering when Tigerclaw is telling the story about how he killed a cat(I cannot remember who I have not read the books in so long😭), it all seems much more normal. But then for example in the 4th(I think?) arc when Lionblaze kills Russetfur it seems way more shocking and there's cats talking about it and giving Lionblaze a ton of hate. And it's mentioned a lot more about how you should never kill another cat unless you absolutely have to. So yeah that's my input thanks for reading 😭
I’m taking this and running with it since I hadn’t read the first arc since 2018 when I was in 5th-6th grade and have taken it upon myself to make clan cultures unique to each other with unspoken agreements
very happy i came across this video, ive been working on my little warrior cats au and i needed some clarity for the things ive skimmed over, especially all the rules with naming a warrior as deputy or the tradition of taking apprentices to the moonstone :3
very sad honestly that even small things like the stuff mentioned by you in the video is not implemented anymore in the main titles
8:14 I believe Whitestorm was mentioned as a father too? I can't remember with who though unfortunately
i’m pretty sure you’re right lol
Yes, and the mother was Willowpelt, and the kits were Sootfur, Rainwhisker, and Sorreltail.
Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw were in the same litter as Brightpaw and Thornpaw. Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw were also made apprentices before 6 moons old.
I grew up with warrior cats. Yellowfangs secret was my favorite one
Yeah, it’s pretty interesting how Bracken and Cinder get appreciated way before Bright and Thorn. I’m pretty sure this is the only time a queens had two litters in the nursery at the same time, and it’s not even explicitly stated. Honestly it’s probably just an author oversight
8:42 No…you’ve made a mistake here I think. I believe Cinderkit/pelt and Brackenkit/fur were the same age as Brightkit/heart and Thornkit/claw but were made apprentices earlier
@@StarseekertheNightwing13 to me it makes more sense if they were different ages because there was 2 or more moons difference between when cinder and bracken were apprenticed and when bright and thorn were apprenticed, which i feel it’s unlikely cinder and bracken would be apprenticed that much earlier if they were all one litter because the situation where brokenstar was apprenticing kits early was pretty recent & everyone thought it was horrible, but i could be wrong as it’s just speculation, it’s not explicitly explained either way :)
@@myamomx Yeah it’s not explained, but I think Kate Cary said something about…but I could be wrong that’s just what I thought
I love this video and love seeing people talk about warriors bc we're running out of warriors youtubers 😭😭 please do more! I'd love to see your opinions about the medicine cat code, the warrior code changes after A Vision Of Shadows and disabilities in warriors (such as Brightheart never getting an apprentice and most/all disabled cats being forced to become medicine cats even if they don't want to like Jayfeather) I REALLY want to see what you come up with!
I think it's meant to be that medicine cats meet every half moon, including at gatherings. So gatherings are at a full moon, and their other meetings would be on a new moon? Maybe?
Tallstar goes to the Moonstone in his super edition- I wish they still kept this tradition, especially since the Moonstone is so much closer to their territories. Now it’s just Jayfeather telling warriors to stay away from it
7:04 This only reminds me of the one internet comment that said
"My head cannon is that the clan cats could produce asexually before Firepaw came to the clan, then they didnt want to confuse him so they stopped"
In “Outcast” leaf pool mentions that the rule of apprentices going to the high stones to become warriors had faded out of custom.
I miss when the elders were more involved and actual characters instead of just moms
This video is so well done I was surprised that you didn't have a follower count in the hundred thousands
10:25 I have a little head cannon where CinderPelt was called that even though still being an apprentice was because of some strange forgotten and unmentioned rule that arc 1 forgot was a medicine cat apprentice could be named but they wernt like a full medicine cat untill the medicine cat retiered or died
FIIIINE, i‘ll reread the books after last reading them ummm 15 years ago
There are actually a couple other cats who went to the moonstone before becoming a warrior. Well, O can only think of one right now, and that’s Mothwing. In Midnight, series 2 book 1, it was mentioned.
I remember really liking Firestar as a kid and even based an English project I had in elementary about him, my warriors phase was a dark time but it was the thing to introduce me to fandoms and I greatly appreciate it
The moonpool thing got brought up again very recently (I think in Wind?) but it's always bothered me too
Also I never knew that about Cinderpelt!?
oooo i haven’t gotten that far yet and i know it’s wild the kinds of stuff that weren’t caught in the first series LOL
I am about to start my own youtube channel and as someone who was also a huge "warrior cats enjoyer" I am definitely going to dig into this series at some point. I was surprised; you were right, I actually didnt remember some of these inconsistencies and now it's bothering me haha
This was a lot of fun! I hope you make more Warriors content in the future!
thx 4 clearing that up. I never read warrior cats as a kid and am trying to learn as much as possible. I don't even mind spoilers.
Sunnyfall's "A Trip Through Time" does in depth summary of the books in order and moonkitti's "I spoil" series does slightly less in depth more humorous in-order summaries with visuals!
i love this video sm :3
thank you i appreciate that so much :D
@@myamomx np!
9:30 funfact in the spanish translation her name doesn’t change she is called the same as an aprentice and medicine cat
Ive been meaning to reread the first arc. its just sitting there on my shelf. (I have all the books organized in chronological order.. nerdiest thing ever i know)
The lack of Cinderpelt's naming ceremony confused so badly the official Spanish translator of the books that she left her apprentice name for the rest of the books. No joking.
Medicine cats are referred to as apprentices until the full medicine cat steps down i think? Alderheart is still considered jayfeathers apprentice, jay was considered leafpools until she was removed from her position
I think a lot of the points mentioned are implied to be off screen just because of how much time passes in the first book? Into the wild passes through whats now about 3 books in an arc
I think in the later arcs the no kits outside of camp rule is probably due to the different territory, there may be more natural risks to kits in the lake territories compared to the forest territories like the new-fangled fox traps, badgers are a bigger risk, the lake is a risk, if they wander too far they could fall in and drown, etc etc so it makes a little bit of sense to me at least
and also in the old arcs Medicine cat apprentices stay apprentices until their mentors die, even after they get their full name from the leader/starclan, i think it's basically that they get accepted as a full medicine cat afterwards which is why they go to the moonstone
3:40 I haven’t read many super editions but in the ones iv read they mention it in crookedStars promise and Tallstars revenge
Please do more of this content!! I love it. New sub
The fact that Warriors first and part of second arc is set in south Eastern England and then the rest is Northern England makes the weather confusing tbh. Cause the North of England has harsher winters than us in the South. But tbf the UK is generally pretty mild at the worst of times. Like it’s 20C today and it’s boiling to me but my gf (from North-East coast USA, think near/in New York-Maine area or something) and it’s nowhere near as bad for her. They have harsher winters and summers
GIRLLLL, I recently had to take a super long road trip and I listened to the first 3 books on audiobook and after not reading the first arc since elementary school I was SHOOK
4:49
I can’t remember which book, but I know that they mention in a later arc that the tradition just faded away after the Clans moved to the lake.
Warrior cats is so amazing for it to be 21 years old, ive been reading it for 7 years im now 17 :D i dont think ill ever stop or get rid of my collection. I have every single book and some.of the old covers even!
In Tallstar's Revenge him and Shrewclaw go to the Moonstone when they're apprentices
I need this, I have warriors trivia next week, thanks
I think Crowfeather mentioned his journey to the moonstone at some point in the second arc
This is such a good video, I love the info and the nostalgia, plus the cats playing in the back Omg 🥺
was it ever mentioned that tigerclaw's least favorite prey is squirrel because he doesn't like their fur? i've had this tidbit in my head ever since i first started reading warriors (~2013) and i literally can find no mention of it anywhere
i thought that cinderpelt was awarded her name as an honor when they thought she would pass away from being ran over. After that, they couldn’t take it back but still performed the rest of the ceremony
With frostfur's kits I'm not sure if there is two separate litters. At least my interpretation was that Cinderpelt, Brackenfur, Brightheart, and Thornclaw were part of the same litter, and I think there was a lack of apprentices at the time, leading them to apprentice Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw a little early. And while I know the wiki isn't always a credible source, it also suggests that they are all one litter. The main text evidence I have is that it is said that frostfur's kits are stolen at one point by clawface and in the manga version of this scene, they are all relatively the same size. Considering that cat gestation is around 65 days , or two moons, I would think that they would have a large size difference to be two separate litters. However, I am also intrigued by your interpretation of this, as I think it would be interesting for there to be two litters by the same queen in the nursery.
yeah this was one of those things where it was mainly an assumption, but i think them being separate litters makes more sense. before brightpaw and thornpaw's apprentice ceremony it's mentioned that cinderpaw and brackenpaw were made apprentices a few moons before, which would mean (if they were all the same litter) cinder + bracken were apprenticed at least 2 moons early, which personally i think is unlikely considering how horrible thunderclan thought it was that brokenstar was making kits apprentices really early. i think a few moons age difference is entirely possible, but it's also purely speculation so there's a chance i'm way off haha :)
What always confused me about Cinderpaw and Brackenpaw was that they were canonically apprenticed early--considerably so. Bluestar defended it by saying that ThunderClan had few warriors/warriors-in-training, but it always stuck out to me because this was *right* after they helped ShadowClan get rid of Brokenstar, who was notorious for the same thing.
They never say who father of Cinder, Bracken, Thorn, and Bright are, but the wiki says they're all Lionheart's kits? And that's the implication I got from the text too, at least, since all four of the cats are always referred to as siblings, and half-siblings almost never get that attention (Swiftpaw and Bramblekit are never mentioned as brothers, for example)
This was a really great video! Having to hold myself back from infodumping in everything discussed in the video 😂