I think that either Mahiru and her boyfriend were both originally suffering from depression and potentially suicidal tendencies, where Mahiru made her boyfriend’s depression worse, or she ruined his mental state to such a point where he became depressed and suicidal by relying on him for her own depression - in order to make him share her pain which she views as love. In her first mv, she describes how she wants to share pain with her boyfriend and have ‘matching pain’, (which she later refers to as matching love) while also saying that their ‘sickness is getting pretty bad’. It seems like she romanticises their pain, and thinks of it as part of their love. So she doesn’t want to get better, because she thinks that would harm their relationship, like where she says she ‘hates being ok’ (a more literal translation). This could also apply to her boyfriend, in that she doesn’t want him to get better either and so she gives him more pain (which she sees as love). The romanticism is also evident when she talks about ‘giving love to the point of pulling you down’, when she says she’s ‘happy to get hurt when they argue’, and when she says that wanting to die because she can’t know everything about her boyfriend is part of love - she associates these negative things positively. Another thing to note is how she mentions she wants to see her boyfriend’s ‘cute confused face’ which could be a kind of early indication that she doesn’t take his emotions too seriously; it seems likely that she would find him cute when he’s upset. I think the first mv also suggests that Mahiru isn’t as happy as she seems when she says she sucks at pretending to smile but relies on her boyfriend to feel ‘better’, which could also put a lot of pressure on him if he was already depressed, or would influence his mental state. In this mv, it seems like the cake represents the ‘love’ she was feeding him which was probably very unhealthy (which could mean the boyfriend also fed her this to some extent, or that it just represented the overall love he gave to her). When he was at his limit, feeling very depressed and suicidal, she fed him more of this unhealthy ‘love’ which made him feel even worse. I don’t think if he was fine before Mahiru he would have killed himself (unless she hurt him so badly he became depressed); it would require Mahiru to be insanely controlling which I don’t think she was (although she definitely was a bit controlling). Also, I think it’s notable how both of them are worn and tattered up in the forest, however Mahiru is content while her boyfriend is suffering - which could reinforce that she thinks their ‘shared pain’ is what makes up their love and is happy about it. So essentially Mahiru feels that their shared pain (depression, suicidal nature) makes up their relationship, so she doesn’t want the two of them to get better as she feels their pain is the love between them. She gives a lot of ‘love’ to her boyfriend, unaware that it is actually pain and hurts him so much that he wants to commit suicide, which makes her confused and regretful as to why the love she gave him caused such an ending unlike other couples.
that is also what i thought of! notice on how the cake when mahiru was feeding her bf it, it was bigger which means bigger affection… in mahiru’s vision. that’s when it turned into rats in her bf’s pov, meaning that her “affectionate” words weren’t helping. but mahiru’s bf fed her a small amount, but notice on how his hand was under it as if he didn’t want to drop it and be careful when feeding her it, that didn’t turn into rats in any of their povs i feel like mahiru is deceiving us 😭
Something I noticed in the first mv is that in parts of it she's in a cage, but it's also implied that her lover is there too. I feel like it represents that the two are trapped together somehow with no escape.
Can we talk about how the VA KILLED THIS?!???? The airless breaths when singing the second part, and the intensity of her depressed state when she’s rapping goes so well with the break of reality she’s facing. Mahiru and her VA stay on top
When i first listened to this without seeing the pv I was a bit shocked hearing 'dai' over and over, and the end of the whole song took me off guard. This may be one of the most spine-chilling songs of MILGRAM
It's safe to assume that Mahiru had no idea how toxic the relationship was until he committed suicide. It is also implied that their relationship was mutually toxic, with both of them being seen feeding eachother "cake". The difference is, one knows its a rat, the other doesn't.
i see what youre saying but personally i dont agree. i think she knew, but didnt want to face it and instead distorted her mindset to consider their relationship perfect, mostly from the line at 0:40 "my emotions are out of control, that's inconvenient? I don't care!" she doesnt care that its toxic, just as long as theyre together.
@@king0fspades36 She’s also in a poor mental state right now after receiving the guilty vote and being told her love is wrong. Mahiru is the type of person who thinks being hurt by her partners is a good thing (she alludes to “matching pain” in How To Be In Love With You) and says she’ll do or be anything her boyfriend wants. As opposed to her knowing the relationship was bad and being in denial, I think she rather is aware she’s hurting her boyfriend and he’s hurting her but thinks it’s an expression of love. It’s more realistic with people who stay in toxic relationships that they do so because they genuinely thought it was normal and didn’t see anything wrong with it, and they only realize how bad it was after they leave and enter a healthy relationship. She doesn’t strike me as someone with self-awareness until we told her outright with the guilty vote.
@@king0fspades36 in Black Butler 2 this is the main concept projecting your desire for comfort in the wrong thing with this line "Why you could have just lied; You must have figured how the questions where created but you still gave that answer"
I think the PV makes everything pretty clear but let's still go. In Mahiru's head the relationship is perfect and everything is okay. However, in reality it is toxic on both of their end. Tho house/room in the PV sembolizes their relationship. Mahiru sees it as a bright and cozy place while in reality it is a crumbled place. Food (cake specifically) is a metaphor for the love that Mahiru gives. She sees it as a big sweet cake but in reality she is feeding him rats, meaning that she did not do toxic things on purpose but that she saw that as her giving him her best. We can also see how he feeds her cake, that would show how he was actually giving her love (or what she saw as love). In the later parts of the PV we can see him starving, loosing weight and being too weak to walk. That shows how she did not give him the love that he gave her. And when she tries to give him love she thinks that she gives him love of the same value as he gave her but ends up feeding him rats. Next point, the forst. I think that in the fandom many agree that it is a direct allusion to the suicide forest. This PV made it canon that in the end the boyfriend commits suicide. If we take forest as a symbolic thing, we can see how they walk throught the forest both messed up. That shows their relationship. It left both of them in a bad mental space and both of them suffer. However, Mahiru refuses to see it and she still sees it as a happy place with merry go rounds. She is the one who is leading the way while walking and boyfriend stops walking at some point. He gives up but she would keep on going. Then she feeds him rats instead of an actual food, and this is her crime moment. The starvation and exhaustion is a direct parallel to their metal health. He needed to have a nutritious food at that moment to survive, but all that Mahiru could give him were dead animals. So, basically what happened in real life is that he was getting to a mental point where he couldn't keep on going and was feeling like he wanted to end it all. He needed some actual love and affirmation at that time but when Mahiru tried to do so, she once again acted in a toxic way towards him and that was the final straw for him and he killed himself. Based on both this PV and trial 1 one, Mahiru only realizes how badly she was treating him after he killed himself and before that she thought that she was a good girlfriend. In my humble opinion it is difficult to say that is guilty. She wasn't doing something bad on purpose and she just sees being in a toxic situationship as her "being herself". She is probably someone who never experienced a healthy enviornement and she just saw her actions as normal. She is clearly mentally unstable and she regrets her action after realizing what she did. Then again it isn't easy to call her completely innocent. I am lost about how to vote her this time.
On top of that, someone mentioned how the bf fed Mahirı with the same cake first. She copied the guy’s actions but it didn’t work for him. Mahiru somehow survived but guy couldn’t from the same action. Doesn’t that make him the real criminal? :(
Innocent tbh. Sometimes relationships just dont work, that doesn't make her bad. Mahiru is also heavily implied to have BPD, which explains a lot (as someone who also has BPD)
I honestly understood the music video as her being obsessed with him to the point of it being like a kidnapping situation in which he feels like he cant breathe but she doesnt notice that she is suffocating him.
I don't see anyone mentioning it, but in the first MV, Mahiru was often portrayed with a cat-like attitude. I think the mouse here is supposed to be a reminder of that and a subtle hint towards her toxic relationship. You probably know that cats often bring home mice as gifts for their owners. To us, humans, it's a weird sight and we have to pretend to appreciate it because the cat meant well. I also read somewhere that they do this because they're afraid we might be hungry. I think it's a very interesting thing to see it depicted in this MV ! Mahiru, the cat, meant well by trying to feed her boyfriend, the human, but due to their different perceptions of that gesture, her boyfriend only saw it as a terrifying act.
>Mahiru meant well by trying to feed her boyfriend. >Different perceptions of the gesture. >terrifying act. .... do you think this was Day 16? "Before he comes home, I’ve cooked so it’ll be ready waiting for him. I’ve kept notes on all his favourites, and I’ve been practicing cooking them! I can’t wait to see his surprised face when he sees."
What cat-like attitude? The only one I can think of is how she pounced on her lover? But then again, the cat killing off the "Blue Bird of Happiness" does fit too...
@@kikikaichan I think she had a couple cat-like mannerisms like how she slept, and the general theme of her lover and relationship in the first MV being symbolised by feathers/birdcages, which translate to her to being a cat as the one who messes up the feathers and plays with them
@@NatPatent I think they mean the literal translation isn’t guilty or innocent, it’s “forgiven” (赦す) & “not forgiven” (赦さない). Regardless of reason, it’s supposed to be whether or not you forgive them for their actions.
If the mv mostly takes place in the forest that would be interesting. Forests are the natural habitat of birds so it could symbolize how Mahiru is out of the security of the "birdcage" and is now alone in the world without her boyfriend. Editing this now with seeing the music video- I think the merry go round is a metaphor for the relationship, it just keeps going around and around and dosent stop until we see the boyfriend's dead body. I think the cake represents maybe the toxicity, mahiru idealizes it (this is already hinted at in tihwtilwy, with all the talk about fighting and matching pain) but in the forest section, it's shown as rats. I'd also like to say, this is all mahiru's pov and while some lyrics may hint at it, she never once shows her boyfriend in a bad light. He's either idealized in a dream, or litterally dying cause of her. She refuses to believe he did anything wrong and never once tries to portray it that way. In the forest their both battered and torn, and I can only imagine that's meant to show how both of them have suffered cause the relationship but neither wanted to leave. Mahiru in the end just had the final blow. I still think she's innocent. she genuinely never wanted anyone dead and while she was toxic, this was her first ever time being in the relationship and the lyrics talk about how remorsing over what she'd do different. If given the chance, I don't think she would do the same thing over again. She'd just try her best to have a normal relationship. It should also be noted that in her voice drama, it's implied her boyfriend had the same idealized views of love as her Edit again cause im indecisive- I take back what i said about the cake representing toxicity, i think it represents shallow comfort. The boyfriend offers a very tiny slice of cake (only the edge of a slice) when mahiru is upset, and while it makes her happy- we see the carousel still spins. The carousel shows how no real problem was fixed, and things will keep going as it is. Then we see mahiru offer a big chunk of cake, and its pressumably from the same slice he offered as the edge is missing. Mahiru offers shallow comfort to him in a time of need, simply because she dosent know any other way to comfort him. Its why at the chorus she cries out about how she cant get things right, because shes just copying what he was doing (something she has always done, like when she copied his hobbies in tihwtilwy).
Her crime also takes place in suicide forest, I think? Someone said you could see a forest in undercover when she was taking mugshots or whatever you call it!
@@roseyribbons oh yes during the mugshot section, if you look at the image she holds, it's of a cave in the suicide forest. Also, on day 8 we see Mahiru and boyfriend went to the park together so it's very possible they had their first date in the aoikigahara (suicide forest) park so it may be more thematically significant to their relationship as well
Just a note for anyone about to write their theory: remember that the MVs are also reflective of their mental state, and what we see in the video may or may not accurately represent reality. In this case, remember that Mahiru currently thinks of herself as undeserving of love, and sees her love alone as a bad thing since we voted her guilty. Since most people here have pointed out the cake and rats being symbolism for stress/general toxicity, many people think Mahiru was very toxic to her boyfriend. Interestingly, the boyfriend is also feeding her the exact same cake. Which leads to my point, what if the boyfriend was also acting very toxic too? It’s just that Mahiru can’t see the rats/toxicness her boyfriend was giving her. It’s shown in the mv itself that Mahiru was seeing the situation in rose tinted glasses, and so I don’t have a hard time believing that she may be seeing his love in a similar way, thinking it was healthy, unable to see reality. I will not say whether I think she’s guilty or innocent though because 1. I don’t think voting is going to help the prisoners at all due to a theory I have, and 2. I have to watch the voice drama as well before coming to a decision. Edit: I just listened to the voice drama, and while I don’t understand Japanese, WOW is Mahiru setting off death flags for herself. I also noticed that she seems to be apologetic towards Kotoko and she apologizes a lot in the voice drama. To be honest, she kinda sounds like an abuse victim to me, but I don’t want to say that for sure. Again, I can’t say anything for sure cause I don’t speak Japanese, but her voice drama gives us a lot. Plus, Mahiru at the end telling Es she’s proud of him🥲
I've been thinking that we are being sort of tricked in a way no matter what we vote the outcome hasn't been what we wanted. Vote someone guilty because of their cult and they need to know it was bad nope destroyed the girl. Yuno innocent nope it was because she thought was just an cute girl.
@@kasumisylveon I think that personally, no matter how we vote, it will always harm the prisoners since Milgram is made to JUDGE them, not help them. Judgement isn’t what the prisoners need right now.
I like how you point this out. A lot of people think that the videos are the ultimate facts, when the reality is that the truth is buried under all emotional psychological state of the characters.
@@user-rizzyshirokayano-009 She looks like she has been hyped up by bad influences an now can't separate them hence she is a Drama Queen who is drowning in her own Honey
I mean the feeling of being ‘suffocated’ in the relationship was pretty implied in the first MV, but I surely wasn’t expecting for it to be so CLEAR AND LITERAL in this one
just a thought, but i noticed most of the times she raps were when they were in the forest!! it might show how she was trying to get over the dark parts of the relationship as quick as possible (glossing over it)
I like how the forgiven songs (so far) have a gradual drop for the song to end while the unforgiven songs have an abrupt end. (I'm no longer sure about this after Amane's song)
Fuuta and Mahiru's songs end where the the last note differs from the rest of the song. Both songs had a really high energy at the end before they ended abruptly on the last note
I'm sorry but I'm tired of these replies. As the user above me said, all of them need therapy. So with that logic we shouldn't vote anyone guilty anymore. But that aside, as a survivor of heavy mental ab*se in relationship I'm so tired of this "empathy for the perpetator" mentality in society. People are always so fixated on the abusing ones and their reasons. They completely forget about the survivors (or dead ones, like here) and how their life is a mess forever (or isn't anymore). Especially _they_ need therapy. So prisoners like Mahiru don't need a guilty vote? Even though she proceeded ab*sing her partner when she saw he was almost dead? There are pretty "grey" cases here, but she is one that looks more obvious on the more "guilty" side for me. (It even looked like she loved the way he looked when he was so exhausted and continued "feeding" him). So she should be forgiven? If even cases like her are forgiven, just who isn't forgivable then? And is it even possible to decide this from an outsider perspective, aren't the victims the only ones who are in a position to decide that (even though it isn't possible here anymore)? This is an interesting question that goes pretty well for all of Milgram, when you think about it.
I know the comment section is full of theories on what's really going on, but can we appreciate how the VA was amazing in her singing? I lowkey feel sad this song is only 2 mins long, I'd have loved to listen to her singing like this for two more mins 🥲
@@isyournameparisa I meant like since futa was voted guilty, his music video showed how bad the guilty verdict messed him up. Since mahiru is also guilty and was stated to have gotten the worst effect from being guilty, it makes me worry for what is going to happen to her in her MV.
@@isyournameparisa It's cannon that they can hear the comments as voices in their head, I hope he hears that lol They probably just hear the bad comments though
(note : i’ve edited this since MV release) “clothes food shelter, love + miss you” ooh??? i already suspected mahiru went through something tough in her life causing her obsession w love, but perhaps she really depended on her boyfriend? if she was getting literal shelter from him did she not have a proper home of her own? also because she looks really disheveled here and this snapshot is before milgram edit: okay. my new, RUSHED interpretation, it might not be fully accurate mappi music video - 2 ropes (edit: i just realized the second rope is part of the carousel, oops! but my theory still somewhat stands, just as my own personal theory :>) in the beginning of mahiru’s music video, there are two ropes (a rope besides her boyfriend.) the rope is really long, and doesn’t have a noose tie, so it could always just be the end of her boyfriends rope. if it’s a second rope, though- this rope could’ve been for mappi. i’ll get back to this later - carousel what do carousel’s represent? “The circle has always had magical properties. It is said to be the purest and most profound symbol in existence. It has no beginning and no end.” this definition is another reason why i think mahiru would’ve/wanted to kill herself along with her boyfriend. she wanted her love to be everlasting, she didn’t want to leave him, in the belief her love was healthy. mappi states that she decided she would live for love in T1 voice drama; if this love were to leave her, i’d assume she’d likely follow it. especially considering since mappi’s ideals were rejected after being voted guilty, she’s lost her will and meaning of living. when the carousel distorts after the chorus, this could possibly show how she, for whatever reason, didn’t decide to go through with her plan of suicide, therefore warping the cycle. but the carousel doesn’t fully disappear- it just becomes distorted, showing that her love for him (and love in general) is STILL there, even if the reality of her situation is moreso sinking in and crashing her delusion. At the end, the carousel does appear to slow down and possibly stop, though, also shown that it’s not moving in the beginning. - the rats i doubt that mappi was actually feeding her boyfriend rats. a lot of milgram videos are symbolic (unless muu is actually a bug). what do rats represent, then? google: “giving too much proportion to minor issues in life.” (for a rat on a doorstep specifically): “you do not need others to validate you or make you feel/look valuable.” in mappi’s POV, these rats are represented as cake. i explain later on why i think mappi is attempting to feed him the rats. something to note is that mappi’s boyfriend feeds her the cake first, which makes me wonder- did he unintentionally feed into this unhealthy delusion of hers, causing her to return the behavior to him? mappi is clearly really influenced by him as she relies on him, shown in some T2 lyrics: “if you won’t tell me, i can’t be me, food shelter clothing + love and miss you” “i don’t need anyone else as long as i have you, i could do anything as long as you smiled.” “the happiness WE tightly bound up and suffocated” the forest: - they are likely in aokigahara (suicide forest), where BF’s suicide is confirmed to have happened. mappi appears to be leading the way in these scenes. she’s still likely in her delusion that her love is good, and healthy. this is why in these scenes, while they’re both battered- she still looks somewhat healthy physically (tanner skin, eyes aren’t sunken in) while her boyfriend is very clearly malnourished (pale skin, sunken eyes, literlaly bloody) - i assume BF fell out of love with mappi (especially shown in TIHTBILWY: she has to beg her boyfriend to go on a date with her, he doesn’t realize when she’s gotten her hair/earrings done, etc. etc.) hence why he’s so malnourished (all out of love), yet mappi is still in the delusion that they’re still reciprocating the same feelings, both in love, hence why she’s in a better physical condition. - the fact that their clothes are tattered show that they both mutually struggled in this relationship, though, even if mappi didn’t realize. - her boyfriend tries to express the fact he’s fallen out of love/doesn’t want to be in the relationship anymore (on the ground begging her, + the whole “break up rituals” from the first song) but mahiru doesn’t fully understand this. she believes that he’s just having a small issue once more that she can help him with (feeding him the cakes/rats which = supposed minor issues). she doesn’t understand how serious his struggles are, and wants to help him or just struggle along with him (“let’s have matching pain” - first trial) - i also believe mappi’s ideal of love is very extreme and twisted anyways. i believe mappi’s ideal of love roots from some sort of coping mechanism, though we still don’t know much about her past or family dynamic. it’s clear she struggles a lot due to lyrics in her first MV, though: “we fought a lot, but i was happy to get hurt. let’s have matching pain, this sickness is pretty bad” “i suck at pretending to smile, but see! i’m happy because of you” “ - mappi has convinced herself that her love was normal and healthy (she voices this multiple times in the VD, too), and it also likely started out as healthy. she doesn’t realize how much her partner is hurting and how much she’s been hurting him, too. she believes he’s having minor issues that she can help him overcome; but in reality she’s harming him further, leading to him killing himself. i really don’t believe mahiru is intentionally being ignorant. i thibk now she realizes moreso her actions, her guilty vote crumbling w her delusion even further: “i have no right, crossed and covered in sin.” i believe that this relationship wasmutually unhealthy at various points, (especially based on the fact BF was feeding her cake at first.) my personal verdict is innocent, especially since jackalope states that if anything else happens to mappi; she WILL die (T2 commence video). affirming her delusion, if it’s still there, could be unhealthy, but she doesn’t deserve to die for it, especially painfully.
She is very likely to suffer from BPD, and most people with BPD come from troubled enviroment, i personally belive her family was really distant emotionally with Mahiru, esp considering how in the VD she said she used to think Love was just a fabtasy from the movies and wasnt real
I interpreted the line moreso that she equates the basic needs as the same as her love and mourning for that person. She mourns them as much as she needs food to live
i know I’m a little late, but I love the repeated use of “ dai “ here. it sounds similar to the English word “ die, “ and mahiru saying it so many times could symbolise her thinking that she was properly “ loving “ and having a great relationship with her boyfriend, but when in reality, she was only hurting him. she was indirectly and unintentionally telling him to “ die, “ if you will.
なんでI miss youのIないんだろって思ったら 衣食住+愛 miss you の愛が「I」なのか… 区切って考えちゃってた… マヒルさんやっぱ心中でマヒルさんだけ生き残っちゃったのかな… 背景樹海だしそうだよね… けど調べたらmissってお別れの言葉で向こうでも楽しんできてね的なシチュでも使うって出てきてなんか勝手に震えてる:(´◦ω◦｀): 衣食住ってやっぱ愛はマヒルさんにとって食事と同じく摂取しなきゃ死ぬもんなのかな… あぁ考察するだけで胸が痛い…😢
After listening to Mahiru's Second Voice Drama, let me just tell you that she is probably even a bigger victim of the First Trial than we used to think💔 Es is generally really toned down here because they feel guilty for what happened to Mahiru, probably the most consoling they have ever been towards anyone. When asked what they saw in the first MV which made them not forgive Mahiru: they recall she was having fun and seemed happy, so... Tbh, it sounded almost like Es themselves started to question 'their' decisions here. Finally, they suggested that Mahiru was a stalker who perceived her obsession as something good for both sides (so they adopted one of the initial infamous fan theories as Es's "argument") Mahiru was hurt by this statement. She ensured that the feeling was mutual. Moreover, her boyfriend himself was speaking about "fate" that had a play in their happy relationship. After recalling how her relationship worked, she simply added "I'm not a stalker." She also sounded upset after hearing Es's reasoning which, to her, made her seem like a liar. Aside from that, we have a few moments where Mahiru gets weaker physically but brushes it off since she claims nothing can hurt her anymore/she doesn't feel anything because of the verdict. As she said earlier, not forgiving her = taking away her right to love = might as well die, nothing matters. Also usual deal with "Guilty" Prisoners being tormented by voices in their heads telling them they are wrong and everything is their fault. Finally, Es sounds regretful when Mahiru tells them to "continue to do their best" since she told them she loves people who do their work diligently, and they do a great job at that so far. We're probably going to get one hella heavy MV Please take this woman away from this hell🙏
the fact she still shows positivity toward ES after being beaten almost to death due to being assumed to being a stalker, and literally losing her will to live… god she wrecks me, she deserves better than this
And look like she doesn't want us to vote kotoko guilty because kotoko beat her. she want us to be thinking more for judge someone... even if kotoko beat her. she's deserved better
Mahiru is a good girl, but as long as she is locked in her concept of love, she is a danger to all her partners. Also, unfortunately, we have not yet been able to see the relationship itself. Especially the negative side, the most was when they argued but "make up" (it still feels like she forced them to get back together). I am very concerned that she indirectly manipulated her boyfriend with "If this love doesn't work out, there's no point in living" without realising. Because that is Mahiru's bad point, she is so locked in her love mindset that if she does not get out of it, unfortunately she does not deserve her forgiveness, because forgiving her implies condemning the future of her next love. Still, I agree that it wouldn't be wrong to forgive her this trial to give her a rest, she needs it.
I really like the cage and the carousel as Mahiru's MV symbols so far. The cage is obvious enough, but the carousel being a cycle with ups and downs is a very clever image to show how the relationship worked. It's possible that both Mahiru and her partner felt trapped in a way, terrified of what may happen if they were to end their relationship.
the 15 second preview *really* gave a different impression of this song from the first 15 seconds of the actual song...definitely showing a contrast in perspective
I know everyone is talking about how she fed him dead rats but I wonder why they were in the suicide forest in the first place. I don't think she would drug him and then drag him to the suicide forest of all place for a hike? She said this just before the final chorus, the forest scene, "I would do anything as long as you smiled", hence I think the double suicide theory is plausible. She could probably suffocate both of them with her love, to the point he went depressed and wanted to commit suicide. She tried even harder to love him, to make him smile and convince him not to end his life but instead he wants her to do so together with him. "What you trampled is my 'This is how to be in love with you'", I think this partly showed how angry and frustrated she was instead of being naive and in love as she showed before, probably because she tried so hard in her opinion and he just couldn't accept it. "My emotions are going out of control", "Tell me, why are you not here anymore?", she snapped oh boy she snapped so hard. She thought that he was no longer the one she fell in love with, probably because of something he said in that scene. She went even more delusional and completely lost touch with reality. She fed him rats oh no. The last line "die" I think really shows how she got sick of the perfect love she always dreamt of, as much as it suffocates her lover, it also suffocates her. She hates it, but this is supposed to be her dream, thus the carousel of abuse and delusion continues until one of them breaks. This is just my take, because it doesn't sit with me right when someone said that she is the one who loves too much. I think the lyrics pretty much shows that she is pretty much sick of the perfect love. Maybe that's why she said to Es that they could just do whatever they think is right (I'm not sure if I remember it correctly), maybe it's because she tried so hard to change herself and please her lover. I haven't listened to the drama cd yet though. I hope people will go through his seriously before making the judgement, because I'm seriously scared that she won't make it to the next trial....
Interpretation: Pay attention to the lyrics in the captions. 0:14 "Clothes Food Shelter + Love and Miss you" Mahiru's boyfriend (I'll call him BF from now on) showered Mahiru with love and affection every time she was feeling sad. This influenced Mahiru and made her think that's how relationships worked (it seemed to be her first, after all) Now, the couple has lost their **home**, are **starving**, and wear **torn and tattered clothes**. 1:35 "Clothes Food Shelter - Love and Miss you" It's now subtraction. BF is in shambles and asks Mahiru for help. Mahiru doesn't know what to do and instead does what BF always did to her in times of stress: shower the other with love and only that. This did not help at all, and BF ended his own life from the stress of their situation. Now, she considers her way of expressing love as a deadly weapon 0:12 "My lethal weapon: "This is how to be in love with you" (which is also the title of her previous song) I didn't use a birdcage analogy for this, but I'm sure it connects in some way.
On an unrelated note: The instrumental for her cover of "Parasite" reminds me of the nostalgic music you'd hear in fun little ROBLOX games and tutorial videos from 2016-18. It's very comforting!
Thank you for mentioning this, it makes sense and I see what you meant. With this theory, the cage is a simple metaphor to how the first MV was all in Mahiru's point of view, we are trapped to what she sees, what she feels, what she desires, etc., hence a cage. Unlike this MV where in we are seeing both side of the story. Mahiru's POV is happy and positive, were are her partner's POV is suffering and later negative.
![MILGRAM / Mahiru - This Is How To Be In Love With You [The First Trial Music Video]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/euLqEIIk_j0/mqdefault.jpg)
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彼氏がお金に困ってた説を考えてみた。
今回のMVでは彼氏だけじゃなくてマヒルもボロボロな姿が描かれてる。
これは彼氏にお金を上げたりなど、マヒルも身を削っていたからじゃないだろうか？
貯金はいくら？って尋問に、マヒルは仕送りのおかげで生きられてるって答えてる。
これはバイトで稼いだお金のほとんどを彼氏や、愛される自分になるために使ってるから。
たぶん彼氏は自分だけでなんとかしたかったんだろうけど、マヒルはそれを許さなかった。
これが「愛なんですよ」歌詞の”いい子のフリをした大丈夫なんて嫌いだ”の部分。
マヒルは愛のためなら全てを犠牲にする女なので、自分の健康よりも彼氏のことを助けようとする。相手が拒否しても問答無用。
「あいなんですよ」MVのマヒルの文字の並びが途中から乱れてるのは健康状態が悪くなっている演出。
そんな状態なのに彼氏の好きな料理を作ってサプライズとかやってくる。
どれだけ金銭状況が辛くなってもマヒルは実家には相談しない。
事情を知られたら彼氏との関係を邪魔されるに決まってるから。
愛さえはあればマヒルにとっては幸せメリーゴーランド。
でも彼氏は自分に尽くしてボロボロになっていくマヒルを見て疲弊していく。
説得しても無駄で、二人で樹海をさまよっているような気分。
そんな彼氏を見てマヒルは、「あ、もっとお金が必要なんだな」と思ってさらに渡す。
マヒルにとって優しくケーキを上げているような気持ちだが、彼氏にとっては食べたくないものを無理やり与えられている心境。
そして精神に限界が来て自殺。
マヒルの愛が原因で彼氏は死んだが、行為としては彼氏の助けになろうととしていただけ。
だからジャッカロープも「そんなワルいことしてたのか？」という感想。
愛が重すぎて自殺っていうのが想像しにくかったのでこんなふうに考えてみた。
時差コメ失礼します
痛みはお揃いでしょって歌詞、相手を傷付けてるのかと思ってたけど自分も傷付くってことだったのか😮
これめちゃくちゃ合ってそう
なるほど、個人的にしっくりきました。歌詞にある衣食住もお金が要りますし…ジャッカロープがそんなにワルいことしたのかという感想もただ愛が重かったとかだけならむしろなにも言わなそうですしね
更に時差コメント失礼します。
ただ愛が重いだけなら常識的に考えて彼氏は自殺じゃなくて普通に別れを切り出して逃げられたはずですもんね。しつこく付き纏うなら警察に言えば良い。これが他殺なら兎も角自殺してるのでしっくりきませんでした。
ちょいちょい見かけるストーカー説も同じです。
でもこの説なら彼氏は良心から別れることが出来ず病んでしまったっていうのがすごく納得できました。ジャッカロープのひっかかるコメントも同様にすっきりしました！
個人的な意見ですが
マヒルは確かに恋に恋するタイプかもしれません。それでも彼女なりに彼氏を愛そうと必死に考えた結果がこれだと思うとすごく悲しいし報われないなって思いました。
長文失礼しました。
メリーゴーランドとメリーバットエンドをかけてるってこと！？
実家の猫ちゃん、よくネズミを捕ってきて一番懐いてた父のベッドの上に献上していたんだけど、猫ちゃんからすれば大好きな人に自慢の獲物をプレゼントしてるわけで、人間からしたらド迷惑な行為でしかないよなあ…ってのを思い出しちゃったな。
椎名真昼猫概念
I think that either Mahiru and her boyfriend were both originally suffering from depression and potentially suicidal tendencies, where Mahiru made her boyfriend’s depression worse, or she ruined his mental state to such a point where he became depressed and suicidal by relying on him for her own depression - in order to make him share her pain which she views as love.
In her first mv, she describes how she wants to share pain with her boyfriend and have ‘matching pain’, (which she later refers to as matching love) while also saying that their ‘sickness is getting pretty bad’. It seems like she romanticises their pain, and thinks of it as part of their love. So she doesn’t want to get better, because she thinks that would harm their relationship, like where she says she ‘hates being ok’ (a more literal translation). This could also apply to her boyfriend, in that she doesn’t want him to get better either and so she gives him more pain (which she sees as love). The romanticism is also evident when she talks about ‘giving love to the point of pulling you down’, when she says she’s ‘happy to get hurt when they argue’, and when she says that wanting to die because she can’t know everything about her boyfriend is part of love - she associates these negative things positively.
Another thing to note is how she mentions she wants to see her boyfriend’s ‘cute confused face’ which could be a kind of early indication that she doesn’t take his emotions too seriously; it seems likely that she would find him cute when he’s upset.
I think the first mv also suggests that Mahiru isn’t as happy as she seems when she says she sucks at pretending to smile but relies on her boyfriend to feel ‘better’, which could also put a lot of pressure on him if he was already depressed, or would influence his mental state.
In this mv, it seems like the cake represents the ‘love’ she was feeding him which was probably very unhealthy (which could mean the boyfriend also fed her this to some extent, or that it just represented the overall love he gave to her). When he was at his limit, feeling very depressed and suicidal, she fed him more of this unhealthy ‘love’ which made him feel even worse. I don’t think if he was fine before Mahiru he would have killed himself (unless she hurt him so badly he became depressed); it would require Mahiru to be insanely controlling which I don’t think she was (although she definitely was a bit controlling). Also, I think it’s notable how both of them are worn and tattered up in the forest, however Mahiru is content while her boyfriend is suffering - which could reinforce that she thinks their ‘shared pain’ is what makes up their love and is happy about it.
So essentially Mahiru feels that their shared pain (depression, suicidal nature) makes up their relationship, so she doesn’t want the two of them to get better as she feels their pain is the love between them. She gives a lot of ‘love’ to her boyfriend, unaware that it is actually pain and hurts him so much that he wants to commit suicide, which makes her confused and regretful as to why the love she gave him caused such an ending unlike other couples.
that is also what i thought of!
notice on how the cake when mahiru was feeding her bf it, it was bigger which means bigger affection… in mahiru’s vision. that’s when it turned into rats in her bf’s pov, meaning that her “affectionate” words weren’t helping. but mahiru’s bf fed her a small amount, but notice on how his hand was under it as if he didn’t want to drop it and be careful when feeding her it, that didn’t turn into rats in any of their povs
i feel like mahiru is deceiving us 😭
Something I noticed in the first mv is that in parts of it she's in a cage, but it's also implied that her lover is there too. I feel like it represents that the two are trapped together somehow with no escape.
やめて欲しいと思いつつ第一審の「作った笑顔」「君だから恥ずかしいことも」ってフレーズが入ってたことがずっと引っかかってるんですよね。
まひるさんが二人で生きてくお金が無かったのか自分が可愛くいるために使うお金が無いのか分からないけど身を売ってた可能性ない…？彼氏はそれを知らなくて後から知って絶望しちゃったみたいな…「なんでそんなことしたの？」って問い詰めたら「君が好きだからなんだよこれも愛なんだよ」って言われて自分のせいで彼女がそんなことしてしまった絶望から…みたいな…それをマヒルさん解釈で行くと私の愛のせいで死んだ、私の愛を否定した(踏みつけた)みたいな…ないと思いたいんですけど
マヒルが彼氏にネズミを食べさせようとしてたところで、愛なんですよのMVのわきわきしてるところが猫みたいってコメントを思い出した。
猫って確か飼い主のことを狩りができないからお世話してあげてるつもりでネズミを捕まえてきてプレゼントするんだよね。飼い主にとっては嬉しくないけども
似たような感じでマヒルも私が居なきゃダメなんだからってネズミを食べさせようとしてたのかな。
なんとなくだけどマヒルさんって『お金がなくても愛があれば幸せな』人なんだなって思った。
めっちゃ分かります
けど、実際はマヒルさんそれなりにお金には困ってなさそうだし、困ってないがゆえの幻想感も否めない。本当にお金がなくなっちゃった時、今と同じ状態でいられるのか…
@@しろくま-n8q途中ボロボロになってるのに幸せそうだから大丈夫だと思う
一審で同じく赦されなかったフータはひたすら赦してほしいって懇願するようなMVだったのに対して、マヒルはそんなことどうでもいいんだよね……ただ自分の愛についての価値観を分かってくれるだけで良かったんだろうなぁ……
わたしい ｗｗｗｗ
2:22のところ、マヒル視点ではケーキは手前側なのに、彼氏視点では口についてるの、「自分は差し出してるつもりだったのに本当は押し付けてた」感が出て凄い好き
しかも彼氏視点ではネズミなんですよね···
マヒルからすると純粋で甘い愛情なのに彼氏からすると歪で嫌悪的なものって感じなの寒暖差すごい(語彙力)
Can we talk about how the VA KILLED THIS?!???? The airless breaths when singing the second part, and the intensity of her depressed state when she’s rapping goes so well with the break of reality she’s facing. Mahiru and her VA stay on top
The funniest part is that she shares a VA with RIMURU.
MIHO OKASAKI THE WORLD👏👏👏👏👏
YOU READ MY MIND THIS IS SO TRUE???
I love how the tone is so cutesy but also…not happy at all? she sounds absolutely desperate
oh fr, i wish she would’ve brought that depressed voice into the psychogram cover tho 😭
水を与えすぎて花を枯らすタイプなんだよねマヒルは
めちゃめちゃしっくりきた…
水だけじゃなくて栄養剤とかもあげすぎちゃいそう・・・
伸びてるけど、もしマヒルがガーデニングをしようと思ったら完璧な量の陽の光と完璧に習慣化されたお水の量と時間配分と完璧に調合された肥料によってそれはそれは美しい花を咲かせることが出来ると思う。ただそれを人間にも与えようとするから大問題っていう話なだけで…
Love how they use "DAI" in daisuki repeatedly because it sounds like "DIE"
And when they showed the final frame of him hanging with it? Chills.
same, i love that. first thing i noticed
I thought it was a (not-so)-subtle nod of wordplay until the end where that subtlety just went out the window instantaneously
Diasuki meaning Love like damm double meaning
When i first listened to this without seeing the pv I was a bit shocked hearing 'dai' over and over, and the end of the whole song took me off guard. This may be one of the most spine-chilling songs of MILGRAM
MVに彼氏の姿がはっきりと描かれてるのを見るにマヒルは本当に彼氏のこと大好きだったんだなって思わされる。
終盤のボロボロ状態での
テンションの違いや実際に見えてるものの差そして笑顔でネズミを顔に押し付けてるところはまさしく｢凶器は私の愛なんですよ｣。
ボイスドラマを見ると
第一審の時の奔放に自由に振る舞うようなイメージとうって変わり
非常に芯が強く意志の固い人物だというのが伺える。
自分の意志を貫きつつ、
他者の考えも尊重出来る寛大さには驚愕させられた。
でも…それと同時にそんな人間的強さと重くて芯の固い純粋な愛が人を殺したんだなって思った。
一方的な愛が重すぎて彼氏が潰れたことを、「愛で決めたオウンゴール 重すぎてぺしゃんこ」って表現してるのすごいな
マヒルさんらしい可愛い表現やけどなんか生々しいな…
З
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2:03 か わ い い
It's safe to assume that Mahiru had no idea how toxic the relationship was until he committed suicide. It is also implied that their relationship was mutually toxic, with both of them being seen feeding eachother "cake". The difference is, one knows its a rat, the other doesn't.
Mahiru also say that she's a beginner at relationship in second trial voice drama(If I did tranlate it correctly).
Woah ur right🤯
i see what youre saying but personally i dont agree. i think she knew, but didnt want to face it and instead distorted her mindset to consider their relationship perfect, mostly from the line at 0:40 "my emotions are out of control, that's inconvenient? I don't care!"
she doesnt care that its toxic, just as long as theyre together.
@@king0fspades36 She’s also in a poor mental state right now after receiving the guilty vote and being told her love is wrong.
Mahiru is the type of person who thinks being hurt by her partners is a good thing (she alludes to “matching pain” in How To Be In Love With You) and says she’ll do or be anything her boyfriend wants.
As opposed to her knowing the relationship was bad and being in denial, I think she rather is aware she’s hurting her boyfriend and he’s hurting her but thinks it’s an expression of love. It’s more realistic with people who stay in toxic relationships that they do so because they genuinely thought it was normal and didn’t see anything wrong with it, and they only realize how bad it was after they leave and enter a healthy relationship.
She doesn’t strike me as someone with self-awareness until we told her outright with the guilty vote.
@@king0fspades36 in Black Butler 2 this is the main concept
projecting your desire for comfort in the wrong thing with this line
"Why you could have just lied; You must have figured how the questions where created but you still gave that answer"
これ、マヒルの心が生み出した歌ってことは、マヒル、貴女さてはラップの才能があるな‥‥？
メンヘラップ…
@@あーりん-l4b
好きw
やっべぇ別の意味で離れられるじゃんか！？
※マヒルちゃん少しは大事な人の話を聞こうか！？
FNFマヒルmod
@@wappen334今度そのイラスト試しに描こうかな。
マヒルさんの狂気的なまでの愛が最初はかわいく見えてた彼氏さんだけど一緒にいるうちに耐えられなくなって精神は削られていって、でもマヒルさんは愛故にそんな彼すらも「喜んでくれてる」「だってこれは愛なんだもの」「好きだな」と思ってたのかな
死んで初めて気づきかけた
I think the PV makes everything pretty clear but let's still go. In Mahiru's head the relationship is perfect and everything is okay. However, in reality it is toxic on both of their end. Tho house/room in the PV sembolizes their relationship. Mahiru sees it as a bright and cozy place while in reality it is a crumbled place. Food (cake specifically) is a metaphor for the love that Mahiru gives. She sees it as a big sweet cake but in reality she is feeding him rats, meaning that she did not do toxic things on purpose but that she saw that as her giving him her best. We can also see how he feeds her cake, that would show how he was actually giving her love (or what she saw as love). In the later parts of the PV we can see him starving, loosing weight and being too weak to walk. That shows how she did not give him the love that he gave her. And when she tries to give him love she thinks that she gives him love of the same value as he gave her but ends up feeding him rats.
Next point, the forst. I think that in the fandom many agree that it is a direct allusion to the suicide forest. This PV made it canon that in the end the boyfriend commits suicide. If we take forest as a symbolic thing, we can see how they walk throught the forest both messed up. That shows their relationship. It left both of them in a bad mental space and both of them suffer. However, Mahiru refuses to see it and she still sees it as a happy place with merry go rounds. She is the one who is leading the way while walking and boyfriend stops walking at some point. He gives up but she would keep on going. Then she feeds him rats instead of an actual food, and this is her crime moment. The starvation and exhaustion is a direct parallel to their metal health. He needed to have a nutritious food at that moment to survive, but all that Mahiru could give him were dead animals. So, basically what happened in real life is that he was getting to a mental point where he couldn't keep on going and was feeling like he wanted to end it all. He needed some actual love and affirmation at that time but when Mahiru tried to do so, she once again acted in a toxic way towards him and that was the final straw for him and he killed himself. Based on both this PV and trial 1 one, Mahiru only realizes how badly she was treating him after he killed himself and before that she thought that she was a good girlfriend.
In my humble opinion it is difficult to say that is guilty. She wasn't doing something bad on purpose and she just sees being in a toxic situationship as her "being herself". She is probably someone who never experienced a healthy enviornement and she just saw her actions as normal. She is clearly mentally unstable and she regrets her action after realizing what she did. Then again it isn't easy to call her completely innocent. I am lost about how to vote her this time.
On top of that, someone mentioned how the bf fed Mahirı with the same cake first. She copied the guy’s actions but it didn’t work for him. Mahiru somehow survived but guy couldn’t from the same action. Doesn’t that make him the real criminal? :(
@@marginal1.1
What? No. It doesn't.
Innocent tbh. Sometimes relationships just dont work, that doesn't make her bad. Mahiru is also heavily implied to have BPD, which explains a lot (as someone who also has BPD)
Me either I think honestly I'm gonna wait till some translates the drama and posts it
I honestly understood the music video as her being obsessed with him to the point of it being like a kidnapping situation in which he feels like he cant breathe but she doesnt notice that she is suffocating him.
2:11 ケーキ/ネズミを食べさせてるの、猫飼いがよく｢ネコちゃんが取ったネズミを持ってきてくれてびっくりした｣みたいに言ってる感じで、愛のつもりでとんでもないことしたのかな
｢君が笑えるならどんなこともやれる なんて思ったんだよ｣って歌詞もそうだし、愛なんですよの時もマヒルさんちょっと猫っぽい雰囲気があるので
ケーキを食べさせてあげる時、彼氏さんはいちごが乗っていない側を食べさせてあげてて、マヒルは本命のいちご側食べさせてるの愛の重さの違いがあるのかなって心臓に来る。
マヒル視点だとイチゴだけど彼氏？視点だとネズミに映されてるのが少し気になる🤔
本当にマヒル側に問題はなかったのか。
表現的になんというか私を貴方の身体の1部にして欲しい的なノリでマヒルの血とか毛入りのヤバい彼女シリーズの〇入りチョコとかそれに類する料理食わされててもおかしくないというか…
@@3哀 マヒル視点でしか見れてなかったんですけれど、確かに男性視点から見るとそういった物を入れてそうな雰囲気ありますね！
解釈の仕方がまた広がりました！ありがとうございます！！
@@3哀 「同化しちゃうよこのままじゃ」 ってことか
@@MEATEOR616 狂気を感じる
いちごの花言葉って
「幸福な家庭」
「尊重と愛情」やけど
マヒルさんからしたら彼氏さんと一緒に暮らす事と誰にも愛させないつまり独占欲をすることによって自分からしたらそれだけで(多分)大満足なんやろうけど
彼氏さん側からしたら恐怖でしかないしマヒルさんのくっっそ思い歪んだ愛情によって
全く忠実に感じられないし幸福とも感じられない
だからいちごが乗ってない方をマヒルさんに食べさしたんかな…
マヒルさん→いちご乗った方をあげさせたのは自分の大好きな思いを食べさせている
彼氏さん→乗ってない方をあげさせたのはマヒルさんの歪んだ愛を受け付けられない 怖くて受け入れない だからのしてない方を食べさせたのかな…怖いすれ違い恋愛や…
Mahiru doesnt need to be voted INNOCENT or GUILTY, she just needs to go to THERAPY
I agree🤣🙈
Mahiru and Mikoto therapy needed buddies!
YES, I COULD FIX HER, AND I COULD FIX MIKOTO TOO😔
Yeah bro 😂😂
Basically everyone in this project needs them lol
I don't see anyone mentioning it, but in the first MV, Mahiru was often portrayed with a cat-like attitude. I think the mouse here is supposed to be a reminder of that and a subtle hint towards her toxic relationship.
You probably know that cats often bring home mice as gifts for their owners. To us, humans, it's a weird sight and we have to pretend to appreciate it because the cat meant well. I also read somewhere that they do this because they're afraid we might be hungry. I think it's a very interesting thing to see it depicted in this MV ! Mahiru, the cat, meant well by trying to feed her boyfriend, the human, but due to their different perceptions of that gesture, her boyfriend only saw it as a terrifying act.
>Mahiru meant well by trying to feed her boyfriend.
>Different perceptions of the gesture.
>terrifying act.
.... do you think this was Day 16?
"Before he comes home, I’ve cooked so it’ll be ready waiting for him. I’ve kept notes on all his favourites, and I’ve been practicing cooking them! I can’t wait to see his surprised face when he sees."
What cat-like attitude? The only one I can think of is how she pounced on her lover?
But then again, the cat killing off the "Blue Bird of Happiness" does fit too...
@@kikikaichan I think the most telling point is her cat-like smile and grabby hands at one point in the MV
@@kikikaichan I think she had a couple cat-like mannerisms like how she slept, and the general theme of her lover and relationship in the first MV being symbolised by feathers/birdcages, which translate to her to being a cat as the one who messes up the feathers and plays with them
お、俺はただ、一審の時と同じくサビスタートかと思って...
かわいいサビ待ち構えてただけなんだよ...
どうなってんだよ...
そうだよな、だって曲名が「だいすき」だもんな、びっくりしたよなぁ。
マジでどうなってんだよ……。
Everyone remember that this isn't about "guilty" or "innocent."
It's about whether or not, you'd forgive them or not.
No it can be because of anything, it doesn't have to be based on morals or forgiveness
@@NatPatent I think they mean the literal translation isn’t guilty or innocent, it’s “forgiven” (赦す) & “not forgiven” (赦さない). Regardless of reason, it’s supposed to be whether or not you forgive them for their actions.
It annoys me so much when people say one of them is guilty
Looks like someone didn’t watch the rules explanation video
@@guavagudetama6355???
マヒルはたしかに「そんなに悪いことしたのかアイツ？」ってジャッカロープが言っていたように只々ひとを愛しただけだろうけど
マヒルの視点ではフワフワゆめかわメリーゴーランドにケーキだったけど彼氏の視点では飢え乾く樹海にネズミ…
個人的にはマヒルは貢ぐちゃん&愛重すぎ彼女…病理的には愛着障害のたぐいなのだと解釈した。
全て彼氏優先、彼氏が困窮していたら自分も困窮する。
彼氏は対外的にどんどん自分が悪者になっていく状態に耐えかね、またマヒルから逃げられないと思った(ネズミのシーンは別れを告げたけどマヒルからにこやかにもっと良い彼女になるよ！とか言われたとか)ため自殺。
ドラマCDで自覚的なのが唯一の救いか…コトコをどうにかしないと
彼氏は「愛生活」だったんだろうな
歌詞にある「衣食住」とか、MVの服装とかネズミとか見るとかなり生活に困窮してたんじゃないか…
彼氏は苦しくて首括るほどだったけど、マヒルにとっては愛さえあればネズミでもケーキ食べてるくらい甘く思える生活だったってことなんかな
森歩いてるシーンは彼氏目線で、飢えが表現されてるんじゃないかと思って「ヘンゼルとグレーテル」のお菓子の家に向かう道中とか連想した
マヒルが首傾げてるとことか特に2人の価値観のすれ違い感じる
お目汚し失礼しました
ループ再生してみると始めと終わりが繋がっているように感じる
延々と気持ちのアップダウンを繰り返してるマヒルの心象を表しているのかな
まひるちゃん、好きな人にネズミをあげたり第一審では青い鳥に飛びかかったりと猫を思わせる仕草が多いよね かわい〜〜（思考停止）
もしマヒルが『猫』なら第三審の時はどんな動物が出るんだろう？
@@tukihotaru2193リスとかかと思ったけど 一周回って犬とか出てきそう
そういやユノやカズイさんでも第二審MVで猫ちゃん要素散りばめられてたよね…
しかもそれが三人まとめて必ずしも「恋愛」絡みなのがなんとも言えん
第一審の飛びかかる時の顔も言われてみればなにか仕掛けてくるときの猫がこんな顔でこんな挙動してたな…？
@@tukihotaru2193彼氏も猫のようだ
｢無理つらすぎる｣と｢？？？どういうこと？？？？｣がいい感じに調和しあって｢かわいい｣しか感じてない
まっぴー可愛い
ラストの「どうかしちゃうよこのままじゃ すきだよって言うのもすきなのに」「気持ちはアンコントロール 迷惑だって上等」で本当に鳥肌が立ったし感動した。歌声の表現力がすごいからこそこの曲のエグさを際立ててる……
1:22 ここの手彼氏さんは受け止める側で、マヒルちゃんは受け止めてもらってる側だけど、その後手を引っ張るのがマヒルちゃんなのメンヘラ表してて好き
メリーゴーランドの吊られてる馬達が暗喩になってるのエグすぎて最後泣いちゃった
If the mv mostly takes place in the forest that would be interesting. Forests are the natural habitat of birds so it could symbolize how Mahiru is out of the security of the "birdcage" and is now alone in the world without her boyfriend.
Editing this now with seeing the music video-
I think the merry go round is a metaphor for the relationship, it just keeps going around and around and dosent stop until we see the boyfriend's dead body.
I think the cake represents maybe the toxicity, mahiru idealizes it (this is already hinted at in tihwtilwy, with all the talk about fighting and matching pain) but in the forest section, it's shown as rats.
I'd also like to say, this is all mahiru's pov and while some lyrics may hint at it, she never once shows her boyfriend in a bad light. He's either idealized in a dream, or litterally dying cause of her. She refuses to believe he did anything wrong and never once tries to portray it that way.
In the forest their both battered and torn, and I can only imagine that's meant to show how both of them have suffered cause the relationship but neither wanted to leave. Mahiru in the end just had the final blow.
I still think she's innocent. she genuinely never wanted anyone dead and while she was toxic, this was her first ever time being in the relationship and the lyrics talk about how remorsing over what she'd do different. If given the chance, I don't think she would do the same thing over again. She'd just try her best to have a normal relationship.
It should also be noted that in her voice drama, it's implied her boyfriend had the same idealized views of love as her
Edit again cause im indecisive-
I take back what i said about the cake representing toxicity, i think it represents shallow comfort. The boyfriend offers a very tiny slice of cake (only the edge of a slice) when mahiru is upset, and while it makes her happy- we see the carousel still spins. The carousel shows how no real problem was fixed, and things will keep going as it is.
Then we see mahiru offer a big chunk of cake, and its pressumably from the same slice he offered as the edge is missing. Mahiru offers shallow comfort to him in a time of need, simply because she dosent know any other way to comfort him. Its why at the chorus she cries out about how she cant get things right, because shes just copying what he was doing (something she has always done, like when she copied his hobbies in tihwtilwy).
Her crime also takes place in suicide forest, I think? Someone said you could see a forest in undercover when she was taking mugshots or whatever you call it!
@@roseyribbons oh yes during the mugshot section, if you look at the image she holds, it's of a cave in the suicide forest. Also, on day 8 we see Mahiru and boyfriend went to the park together so it's very possible they had their first date in the aoikigahara (suicide forest) park so it may be more thematically significant to their relationship as well
@@couldyounotdude3168 WOAHHH THATS SO COOL
Im also getting a connection with Haruka's first trial cause it also had a same looking forest in it.
Tho it might just be cause its just a forest
Yeah you right it takes place in the forest but the content ummmmmmmmm
これ最後の方の、彼氏側が「もうやめてくれー」みたいな顔してるときにマヒルが「ん〜？どうしたの？あ！わかった、お腹すいたんだね！」みたいな感じでケーキ（愛）を渡すけど彼氏視点だとケーキはネズミになってるから、マヒルからしたら普通の愛でも彼氏視点だと愛ではなくこれは罰？なのかな
ボイスドラマでも普通の愛、普通の愛。ってそれにこだわってたみたいだし…
ラスサビ前のマヒルさんの歌声が震えてて、すごく悲しい気持ちになる…
最後の「大問…ﾀﾞｲ」のﾀﾞｲで暗く掠れた声になるの、ほんとに怖すぎて…
マヒルさんの愛が歪みすぎて耐えきれなくなった彼氏さんが……って感じかな
食べさせてたケーキが鼠に変わるところ凄くゾワっとした
「衣食住+愛 Miss you」「衣食住-愛 Miss you」
という歌詞からは衣食住が足りている状態と欠けている状態があることも感じられること、
アンダーカバーにマヒルと恋人が地面で手を重ねているカットがあることから
マヒルと彼氏がボロボロになりながら樹海を彷徨うシーンは比喩ではなく事実であると考えられる。
二人は遭難していたのだろう。
マヒルが彼氏にネズミを食べさせていたのも、他に食べ物がなかったのだろう。
飢えた恋人に何か食べさせようとすることは別に悪いことではない。
そう考えればジャッカローブが「そんな悪いことしてたのか？あいつ」と言ったことにも納得がいく。
恋人に喜んでほしい！生きてほしい！と思うことも普通の恋愛の範囲内と言えるだろう。
状況は普通でなかったが。
ただし、マヒルの愛が重すぎて彼氏が潰れたことも事実だと思う。
遭難という極限状況でもマヒルは愛さえあれば乗り越えられる人間だろう。
同じところをぐるぐる回る、出口が見当たらない、閉じ込められた……。
そんな場所ですら彼氏が一緒にいればマヒルにとってはメリーゴーランドであり、
愛なんですよのMVの舞台となった鳥籠なのだと思う。
愛なんですよのドラマパートでは監獄に来たマヒルが動じていないこと、よくのんきと言われることが描写されている。
マヒルは極限状況で擦り切れた心を共有できる相手ではなかったのだろう。
挙句の果てにネズミを食べさせられる。
これがいつまで続くか分からないのなら彼氏が命を立つのにも納得はいく。
この説が正しい場合、
・マヒルは悪いことをしたわけではない
・マヒルの愛の重さが彼氏を追い詰めた
が両立することとなる。
樹海事実かー？？？
遭難してるのになんで自殺？
ネズミ食わされそうになったから？
どこから縄でてきたの？
違う気がするー
この考察好き
@@フラフラフラウィー 樹海ならロープ(使用済み)とかありそう……
@@やま-d2b
縄あったとしても自殺する理由がない
まさかネズミ食わされたからショックで？
それで殺人？
マジでそんなんだったらガッカリ
@@フラフラフラウィー
根拠が薄く、考察として繋がりにくいので書かなかったのですが
もともと二人は心中するために樹海に来たのでは？という可能性も考えています。
心中しようとしたけれど一度は思いとどまったのであれば、縄があるのは不自然ではないと思います。
前述のとおり心中説はまだ根拠が薄いため縄の出どころをあえてこじつけるのであれば…という考えにはなりますが。
ボロボロになるまで何日も樹海を彷徨い、空腹でやつれていたのであれば心身共に追い詰められて当然だと思います。
マヒルは耐えられても、彼氏の方は耐えられなかった。
そんな状況でマヒルが献身的な恋人として振る舞うことで彼氏もまた恋人としての振る舞いを求められていると感じ、更に追い詰められることとなってもおかしくはありません。
ネズミを無理やり食べさせられたことはあくまできっかけにすぎませんが、彼氏がこれ以上こんなつらいことが続くくらいなら…と死を選ぶ理由にはなりえると思います。
もちろんあくまで説のひとつですし、自分の説もまだピースが欠けていると感じます。
今後のミルグラムも楽しみですね！
マヒルさんは二審目からずっと否定され続けたり、心身ともにボロボロになって辛いはずなのに、どの赦されなかった囚人よりも、明るく変わらないままを保ってるの本当に健気すぎて泣ける😭
トレーラー聴いたときは変わらず明るい曲調なのかと思ったけどほんとに＂重い＂感じがでてて最高ですマヒルさん
本当に楽しみにしてた最推しの曲がとんでもない地獄の開幕をした。なんで？
以下長文
初めの暗い曲調は自分の愛が赦されなかったことな気がしている。
オシャレなマヒルが身形を整えられないほど追い詰められているのは付き合っていた当時ではなく、現在の監獄生活のことなのでは無いか？
（2審が始まってから眠れていないのか隈が酷く、髪もツヤを失っているため）
赦されなかったことはマヒルの生き方（愛）そのものを否定することであり、マヒルの生きる気力が喪われていることを示唆しているようで恐ろしい。
私たちを含むエスに自分の愛を認めて欲しい、と思っているから「あなたが踏んだの私の愛なんですよ」と言う責めるような感情が歌詞にも現れているのだと思う。
「ねえどうして私はできないの」という歌詞から分かるように、マヒルは自分の愛し方が間違っていることは自覚している。ただ、その間違った愛し方が好きで、他の愛し方を出来ないという悲鳴のようにも聞こえる。自分にとって極上の愛が、相手からすれば食べたくもないネズミの死骸と同等であることを分かった上で、それでも好きだと思い続けるマヒルの心は愛がないと本当の意味で生きていけないのかもしれない。
マヒルを今も尚生かしているのは彼への愛だけであり、それを否定されたら死んでしまいそうな気がしてとても危うい。
実際にマヒルが彼をどのように死なせたのかを考えたが、MVにある通り自殺なのは間違いない。ただ、原因が分からない。
①愛することで精神的に追い詰めて自殺に追いやった
②遭難などをし、価値観が壊れた結果すれ違い、自殺に追いやった
③監禁などをし、自殺に追いやった
ぱっと思い浮かぶのはこの3つだが、どれも当てはまるので分からない。
「こんなことしてすきだとか資格なんてないよねバツだらけ」が1番のヒントになっている気もする。
当該シーンではボロボロになった彼を見て首を傾げ、ケーキのイチゴを乗った部分を差し出している。だが、実際ではボロボロになった彼の口にネズミの死骸を押し付けていた。というものだ。
己の罪を歌うミルグラムでは囚人の意識が反映されることを考えると、「マヒルにとっての行動」と「実際に受け取られる行動」の2種類をマヒルは分かった上で今歌っていると私は解釈する。
なので、彼の自殺の原因は①の精神的に追い詰めてしまったことなのでは無いか。
私はマヒルを赦したいと思うし、赦されても良いと思っている。
彼女の価値観で言うならば、本当に彼女は好きな人を好きなように愛しただけなので。
ただ、愛された側からすればとんでもない「バツ」ゲームなので、赦されないのかもしれない。
6/1 追記
すみませんボイスドラマ聞いてきたんですけど明らかにマヒル虐待かDVのトラウマ持ちでは？？
コトコのことを許した上で接触に対する恐怖を持っている。単純に暴力を恐れているだけではないし、【愛を否定されることに比べたら平気】という比較論で耐えているように見える。
彼氏からの暴力を愛として受けとり、それを否定すれば己が辛い？
だとするとネズミの描写の解釈が変わってくる。
愛なんですよから「優しくされたら甘えちゃうのでそこんとこよろしくどーぞです」「傷付くことが嬉しかった 痛みはお揃いでしょこの病気かなりやばいな？」という歌詞を引用すると、
彼氏からのケーキは肉体的な痛みであり、マヒルからのケーキは精神的な痛みも含んでいたのかも。マヒルにとっては肉体的な痛み＝精神的な痛みとして、同じ痛みとして捉えている気がする。
ただ、彼氏はその価値観がなかったからすれ違っていた……？
好きって言ったから肯定して受け入れなきゃという強迫観念とか【周りの人とおなじ普通の恋愛】とか引っかかるワード多すぎるのに脳みそが足りなくて追いつかぬ！！
わ、分からん！どうしようマヒルが可愛いことしかわからん助けてくれ
チャット見てると、海外の人にも愛されてるコンテンツなんだな…と嬉しくなった
もうボロボロのマヒルさん見てると辛い…大好きだよ…
Just a note for anyone about to write their theory: remember that the MVs are also reflective of their mental state, and what we see in the video may or may not accurately represent reality. In this case, remember that Mahiru currently thinks of herself as undeserving of love, and sees her love alone as a bad thing since we voted her guilty. Since most people here have pointed out the cake and rats being symbolism for stress/general toxicity, many people think Mahiru was very toxic to her boyfriend. Interestingly, the boyfriend is also feeding her the exact same cake. Which leads to my point, what if the boyfriend was also acting very toxic too? It’s just that Mahiru can’t see the rats/toxicness her boyfriend was giving her. It’s shown in the mv itself that Mahiru was seeing the situation in rose tinted glasses, and so I don’t have a hard time believing that she may be seeing his love in a similar way, thinking it was healthy, unable to see reality. I will not say whether I think she’s guilty or innocent though because 1. I don’t think voting is going to help the prisoners at all due to a theory I have, and 2. I have to watch the voice drama as well before coming to a decision.
Edit: I just listened to the voice drama, and while I don’t understand Japanese, WOW is Mahiru setting off death flags for herself. I also noticed that she seems to be apologetic towards Kotoko and she apologizes a lot in the voice drama. To be honest, she kinda sounds like an abuse victim to me, but I don’t want to say that for sure. Again, I can’t say anything for sure cause I don’t speak Japanese, but her voice drama gives us a lot. Plus, Mahiru at the end telling Es she’s proud of him🥲
I've been thinking that we are being sort of tricked in a way no matter what we vote the outcome hasn't been what we wanted. Vote someone guilty because of their cult and they need to know it was bad nope destroyed the girl. Yuno innocent nope it was because she thought was just an cute girl.
@@kasumisylveon I think that personally, no matter how we vote, it will always harm the prisoners since Milgram is made to JUDGE them, not help them. Judgement isn’t what the prisoners need right now.
I like how you point this out. A lot of people think that the videos are the ultimate facts, when the reality is that the truth is buried under all emotional psychological state of the characters.
@@kasumisylveon voted someone innocent bcs they were a bully victim NVM THEY A R E A BULLY (looking at you Muu-)
@@user-rizzyshirokayano-009 She looks like she has been hyped up by bad influences an now can't separate them hence she is a Drama Queen who is drowning in her own Honey
なんかMILGRAMずっと追ってると感覚麻痺してきて全員赦したくなっちゃう………
こんな素敵なお姉さんがボロボロになってたらそりゃ、赦したくなるでしょうよ………
マヒルにとっては天国みたいな恋愛だけど相手にとっては地獄ってどんな恋愛してたんだろドラマCDも楽しみ
これ、彼氏さんとマヒルさんが本当に樹海で遭難してしまって、食料がない、もう辛いってなってる彼氏さんにマヒルさんが「食料ならあるよ！」ってネズミを押し付けてんのか
それとも、マヒルさんからの愛情が自分とは重さが違いすぎて耐えられない…マヒルさんからの愛情は汚いネズミのように彼氏さんには見えてる…という比喩表現なのか…
何も分からない助けて…
私の個人的解釈ですけど、後者の可能性が高いかなって思います…!!ただ、ミルグラムってあくまで本人の深層心理なので、"マヒルが考える"彼から見たマヒルの愛なのかなって思いました！
マヒルさんの表現力がえぐくて鬱になる、好き。
追記：英訳の最後がDIEで震えた…。
ポップな曲とラップっぽいところ演じ分けてるのすごいですよね
I mean the feeling of being ‘suffocated’ in the relationship was pretty implied in the first MV, but I surely wasn’t expecting for it to be so CLEAR AND LITERAL in this one
きっとマヒルちゃんは彼がいるだけで幸せなんだろうなぁ…彼がいたからネズミだってショートケーキと同じくらいの価値があって、素敵なものに見えてたってことなんだろうな
DECOさんいわくここからが地獄の本番
公開までに精神修行を積んでおこうと思います
追記
ひいいいぃぃ！！
生放送で言ってたサビの罠これだあああぁぁ！！（精神修行失敗）
後半を見た感じだと一緒に死のうとしたのかな…
①マヒルと男性が付き合う（経過は恐らく愛なんですよのMV）
②だんだんマヒルの愛への異常な執着が見え始める（君が笑えるならどんなこともやれるって思ったんだよって歌詞があるので相当な事をしたんだと予想）
③付いて行けなくなった男性がマヒルを拒絶
④自分の構成要素の大部分であった愛を否定された影響で精神を病み、心中を図る
⑤男性だけ○亡、マヒルは生き残る
って感じかなぁ…
こえぇって…
最後のDieが伏線みたいになってて鳥肌
こんなにかわいい人から愛されるなんて、たとえ同性でも愛が重くても自分なら喜んで！ってなる
【個人的解釈と感想】
２人はだんだん共依存になってて、マヒルは愛を求めているからその状況にすら満足しているけど、男性は限界を感じているって感じがした。
マヒルがケーキ(くらい素敵)だと思って与えていた愛も、男性から見たらネズミ(くらい不気味)だったみたいな。マヒルと男性側の受け取り方の違いというか、認識·感覚のすれ違いが表現されているように思いました。
サビの純粋に幸せそうな感じと、そこ以外の共依存状態の息苦しい空気感の両方が、MVにも曲調にも詰め込まれていてすごく感情移入して視聴出来ました。
今回のマヒルさんも最高です😇
just a thought, but i noticed most of the times she raps were when they were in the forest!! it might show how she was trying to get over the dark parts of the relationship as quick as possible (glossing over it)
I think her ignoring or trivializing his boyfriend's problems could be one of the ways she hurted him.
The forest is also the popular suicide forest...
I like how the forgiven songs (so far) have a gradual drop for the song to end while the unforgiven songs have an abrupt end.
(I'm no longer sure about this after Amane's song)
WAIT, I DIDNT NOTICED THAT
WOAH
Wdym
OH SHIT YOU'RE RIGHT
Fuuta and Mahiru's songs end where the the last note differs from the rest of the song.
Both songs had a really high energy at the end before they ended abruptly on the last note
@@lancehackman6304 ahhh I see what you mean now
最近ハマった新参者ですがこのMVみて感じたことがマヒルの愛が私と同じ愛だったって言うのに気づいた。付き合ってる期間が長ければ長いほどお互いのことを信用して手離したくないって思う。それが依存になってお互いがそう思うと共依存になったら離れられなくて辛くなる。マヒルの場合は彼氏が耐えられなくて自殺？しちゃったけど私の当時付き合ってた彼氏は耐えられない。好きかどうか分からなくなったって言って別れた。その時私は最高潮に好きで別れたり離れたりしたら私は生きていけないって言う気持ちが強かったから辛かった。きっとマヒルも同じ気持ちだったのかな。
鳥肌たつ、、、
岡咲さんの表現力えぐい
MAHIRUUU I’M CRYING I CAN’T WAIT THIS IS GOING TO BE THE SECOND BEST MILGRAM T2 SONG
Which one's the best?
@@adidoesstuff5999 It’s not my fault 😼😼
She looks so messed up😢😢
backdraft >>>>>>>
@@CountryMuu YOU’RE SO RIGHT
最近ミルグラム知ったですけど
この曲の感じはマヒルさんは自分の愛が重いことはわかってたんですよね。だから彼氏さんはケーキではなくネズミを食べさせられてるような描写がマヒルさんの深層心理であるこのMVに出てくるのかなぁと思ったり
でもそれでも一貫して大好きだったり大問題みたいにポップな表現なので自分の愛が重いのはしょうがないじゃ無いだって恋愛をしている女の子って可愛いんだからっていう自己の正当化が見えてきましたね
最後まで見た感じマヒルさんの今回のカバー曲がどうして『パラサイト』なのか理解できた。幸せな妄想に溺れるような自分の愛を受け取ってくれる『夢をみせて』ほしいんだね。
ぶっちゃけマヒルに脱落してほしくないから赦すにしたいけど今回も赦さないほうがいいのかもしれない。この愛は否定してその愛じゃ意味ないってことを教えなくちゃいけないんだと思った。
けどまた赦さないだとコトコがまた絶対なんかするから自動的にコトコを赦さないになるな。あとなんかフータを宗教勧誘してたアマネも曲次第では赦さないで動きを拘束しないとなんかしそう。シドウさんは引き続き治療できるようにする為に赦すにする………ここまで考えたけど第二審って滅茶苦茶頭使わないと脱落者がでるから第一審みたいに感覚だけで投票するの本当に危険だな。
彼の見てる世界(マヒルも彼も疲弊しきっている。疲弊の理由は分からん。お互い愛し合ってたけど、それぞれの生活が疎かになって彷徨ってる様子を遭難で表しているのか？)は、ボロボロ。
一方、マヒルの世界は彼と一緒にいられてキラキラしている。現実がみられていない(実は髪も服もボロボロなくらい憔悴しきっているのがわからない)。
彼が限界を感じて訴えても、マヒルの世界は違う。ラブラブしたいのかな？ケーキあーんしてあげよっ。って感じだが、彼にとってはそんなのネズミの死体くらいのもの。価値なし。(愛を例えているコメントもあった)
最初のアフターヌーンティーの場面はよくわからない(ティーカップとか割れてたとこ)
とりあえず思うのは、彼氏実在してよかった……。勘違いストーカー女とかじゃなくてよかった……。ってことです
確かにそんな説が浮上してましたよね…良かった良かった良くない
@@えだまめ-t9yマヒルの彼…痩せてネズミ食わされて精神ボロボロだけど…
その説もなかなか、捨てきれないと思いました😢
私は勝手に前半がマヒルちゃんの理想と妄想。後半が彼氏目線の現実なんじゃと、、、
@@まちゅ-q3qそう言われたら前半の映像がやけにふわふわしてて夢のように思えてきた…
0:32らへんマヒルちゃんが眠って夢を見ている…とか？
第一審からの温度差がすごすぎて…
マヒルちゃん幸せになって欲しい…もう難しいのかなぁ…
I don't need it. I don't need it.
I NEED IT
I'm very subtle in saying that she's my favorite character
彼氏くんケーキあーんしてるとき片手受け皿にしてくれてるの優しくて好き。
手皿はマナー違反ですけどね
@@nanami9621
そ.....そんな.............(無知野郎)
もう本当に二審trailerでサビ聴いたときからマジでマヒルのこと考えなかった日がなかったくらいずっとずっとずっとずっと楽しみにしてたからついに.....😭って感じでサムネだけで満足しそうになってる。でもこれからが本番だしカバーもボイスドラマもあるんだ...生きてて良かった........
5/31 19時追記
えぐいて........................................
全く同じ心境です....
マヒルちゃんの曲 早口＆ラップ多いのってほんとはこの量言いたいことがあったってことかな、って今思った。
彼氏さんが死んでもなお伝えきれなかったこととかいっぱいありそう。。
それくらい重い愛ってことなんだよね…、そこが好きなんだけど、お互いすれ違って悲しい思いしてるの泣ける…
純粋に愛をあげてるつもりが毒を与えることになってるのも…🥲
鳥肌立ったけど一番好きなシーンかも。
2:23 マヒルが彼氏にケーキ(ねずみ)を食べさせてる時、表情は笑顔なのに目がぐるぐるになっててビビった…
SHE DOESN'T NEED A GUILTY VOTE, SHE NEEDS A THERAPIST
Excactly
Same could be said about basically all the others too
I'm sorry but I'm tired of these replies. As the user above me said, all of them need therapy. So with that logic we shouldn't vote anyone guilty anymore. But that aside, as a survivor of heavy mental ab*se in relationship I'm so tired of this "empathy for the perpetator" mentality in society. People are always so fixated on the abusing ones and their reasons. They completely forget about the survivors (or dead ones, like here) and how their life is a mess forever (or isn't anymore). Especially _they_ need therapy. So prisoners like Mahiru don't need a guilty vote? Even though she proceeded ab*sing her partner when she saw he was almost dead? There are pretty "grey" cases here, but she is one that looks more obvious on the more "guilty" side for me. (It even looked like she loved the way he looked when he was so exhausted and continued "feeding" him). So she should be forgiven? If even cases like her are forgiven, just who isn't forgivable then? And is it even possible to decide this from an outsider perspective, aren't the victims the only ones who are in a position to decide that (even though it isn't possible here anymore)? This is an interesting question that goes pretty well for all of Milgram, when you think about it.
What if she needs both
That’s not even an option though…
彼氏さんが吊られてるシーンで垂れてくる液体は体液じゃなくて防腐剤あるいはホルマリン漬けみたいにして腐敗が進まないための対処にも見える。吊ってるのも女性一人の力で男性を持ち上げるには重いから少ない力でも持ち上げやすい滑車の原理を使っているのかもしれない。
マヒルから彼氏さんに与えるケーキの一口が多いのもたくさん食べたら昔みたいに元気な笑顔を見せてくれると信じて与えている可能性も見える。
I know the comment section is full of theories on what's really going on, but can we appreciate how the VA was amazing in her singing? I lowkey feel sad this song is only 2 mins long, I'd have loved to listen to her singing like this for two more mins 🥲
マッピーどうしちゃったの……公開が楽しみです……
Mappy is Mahirus boyfriend?
No.Mappy is Mahiru,nickname
@@ぴてすけ aaaa
Thanks
この感じラストの大問題の題はdieなんだろうな…
それはそうとマヒルちゃんの表現の振れ幅が光る曲でしたね…好き
彼氏さんがクラッカー鳴らすところ、マヒルにはそう映ってるだけで暴力の比喩だったりするのかなぁと思った
ケーキを食べさせてあげているつもりがネズミだったとか、そういう自分の非を認識してるからこの曲とMVになるんだとしたら、彼氏さんの非は正常に認識出来てない可能性もあるんじゃないかな……
Considering how Futa’s Music video was
I’m genuinely worried for what Mahiru is gonna look like
Edit: *SLAY MAHIRU!!!!!!!*
😮😮😮 it wasnt that bad fuuta looked cute as hell
@@isyournameparisa I meant like since futa was voted guilty, his music video showed how bad the guilty verdict messed him up. Since mahiru is also guilty and was stated to have gotten the worst effect from being guilty, it makes me worry for what is going to happen to her in her MV.
@@-NajimiOsana- OOOOH I THOUGHT YOU MEANT SOMETHING ELSE IM SO SORRY
@@isyournameparisa it’s alright, I understand the confusion ^^
@@isyournameparisa
It's cannon that they can hear the comments as voices in their head, I hope he hears that lol
They probably just hear the bad comments though
(note : i’ve edited this since MV release) “clothes food shelter, love + miss you” ooh???
i already suspected mahiru went through something tough in her life causing her obsession w love, but perhaps she really depended on her boyfriend? if she was getting literal shelter from him did she not have a proper home of her own?
also because she looks really disheveled here and this snapshot is before milgram
edit: okay. my new, RUSHED interpretation, it might not be fully accurate
mappi music video
- 2 ropes (edit: i just realized the second rope is part of the carousel, oops! but my theory still somewhat stands, just as my own personal theory :>)
in the beginning of mahiru’s music video, there are two ropes (a rope besides her boyfriend.) the rope is really long, and doesn’t have a noose tie, so it could always just be the end of her boyfriends rope. if it’s a second rope, though- this rope could’ve been for mappi. i’ll get back to this later
- carousel
what do carousel’s represent?
“The circle has always had magical properties. It is said to be the purest and most profound symbol in existence. It has no beginning and no end.”
this definition is another reason why i think mahiru would’ve/wanted to kill herself along with her boyfriend.
she wanted her love to be everlasting, she didn’t want to leave him, in the belief her love was healthy. mappi states that she decided she would live for love in T1 voice drama; if this love were to leave her, i’d assume she’d likely follow it. especially considering since mappi’s ideals were rejected after being voted guilty, she’s lost her will and meaning of living.
when the carousel distorts after the chorus, this could possibly show how she, for whatever reason, didn’t decide to go through with her plan of suicide, therefore warping the cycle. but the carousel doesn’t fully disappear- it just becomes distorted, showing that her love for him (and love in general) is STILL there, even if the reality of her situation is moreso sinking in and crashing her delusion. At the end, the carousel does appear to slow down and possibly stop, though, also shown that it’s not moving in the beginning.
- the rats
i doubt that mappi was actually feeding her boyfriend rats. a lot of milgram videos are symbolic (unless muu is actually a bug).
what do rats represent, then?
google: “giving too much proportion to minor issues in life.” (for a rat on a doorstep specifically): “you do not need others to validate you or make you feel/look valuable.”
in mappi’s POV, these rats are represented as cake.
i explain later on why i think mappi is attempting to feed him the rats.
something to note is that mappi’s boyfriend feeds her the cake first, which makes me wonder- did he unintentionally feed into this unhealthy delusion of hers, causing her to return the behavior to him?
mappi is clearly really influenced by him as she relies on him, shown in some T2 lyrics:
“if you won’t tell me, i can’t be me, food shelter clothing + love and miss you”
“i don’t need anyone else as long as i have you, i could do anything as long as you smiled.”
“the happiness WE tightly bound up and suffocated”
the forest:
- they are likely in aokigahara (suicide forest), where BF’s suicide is confirmed to have happened. mappi appears to be leading the way in these scenes. she’s still likely in her delusion that her love is good, and healthy. this is why in these scenes, while they’re both battered- she still looks somewhat healthy physically (tanner skin, eyes aren’t sunken in) while her boyfriend is very clearly malnourished (pale skin, sunken eyes, literlaly bloody)
- i assume BF fell out of love with mappi (especially shown in TIHTBILWY: she has to beg her boyfriend to go on a date with her, he doesn’t realize when she’s gotten her hair/earrings done, etc. etc.) hence why he’s so malnourished (all out of love), yet mappi is still in the delusion that they’re still reciprocating the same feelings, both in love, hence why she’s in a better physical condition.
- the fact that their clothes are tattered show that they both mutually struggled in this relationship, though, even if mappi didn’t realize.
- her boyfriend tries to express the fact he’s fallen out of love/doesn’t want to be in the relationship anymore (on the ground begging her, + the whole “break up rituals” from the first song) but mahiru doesn’t fully understand this. she believes that he’s just having a small issue once more that she can help him with (feeding him the cakes/rats which = supposed minor issues). she doesn’t understand how serious his struggles are, and wants to help him or just struggle along with him (“let’s have matching pain” - first trial)
- i also believe mappi’s ideal of love is very extreme and twisted anyways. i believe mappi’s ideal of love roots from some sort of coping mechanism, though we still don’t know much about her past or family dynamic. it’s clear she struggles a lot due to lyrics in her first MV, though: “we fought a lot, but i was happy to get hurt. let’s have matching pain, this sickness is pretty bad” “i suck at pretending to smile, but see! i’m happy because of you” “
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mappi has convinced herself that her love was normal and healthy (she voices this multiple times in the VD, too), and it also likely started out as healthy. she doesn’t realize how much her partner is hurting and how much she’s been hurting him, too. she believes he’s having minor issues that she can help him overcome; but in reality she’s harming him further, leading to him killing himself. i really don’t believe mahiru is intentionally being ignorant.
i thibk now she realizes moreso her actions, her guilty vote crumbling w her delusion even further: “i have no right, crossed and covered in sin.”
i believe that this relationship wasmutually unhealthy at various points, (especially based on the fact BF was feeding her cake at first.)
my personal verdict is innocent, especially since jackalope states that if anything else happens to mappi; she WILL die (T2 commence video). affirming her delusion, if it’s still there, could be unhealthy, but she doesn’t deserve to die for it, especially painfully.
I am pretty sure its "what she wishes for" or "what she desires". (the desc)
I dunno if thats the case. She says in the questions that she receives money from her family
@@gengarts3447 ahhh you’re right i forgot about that
She is very likely to suffer from BPD, and most people with BPD come from troubled enviroment, i personally belive her family was really distant emotionally with Mahiru, esp considering how in the VD she said she used to think Love was just a fabtasy from the movies and wasnt real
I interpreted the line moreso that she equates the basic needs as the same as her love and mourning for that person. She mourns them as much as she needs food to live
i know I’m a little late, but I love the repeated use of “ dai “ here. it sounds similar to the English word “ die, “ and mahiru saying it so many times could symbolise her thinking that she was properly “ loving “ and having a great relationship with her boyfriend, but when in reality, she was only hurting him. she was indirectly and unintentionally telling him to “ die, “ if you will.
なんか前にボーボボ見てた時「いちごの花言葉は寿退社よ！」って言っててそれのコメント欄見てたら「イチゴは花言葉が寿退社っていうより寿退社する人にあげるのがおすすめの果物」ってあって マヒルちゃんの彼氏が甘いケーキのひとかけらだけあげてるのは「このまま甘い恋人生活送ろうね」って感じでマヒルちゃんがいちご乗せてあげてるの見ると「結婚しようね♡」って感じなのわかるんだけど私はこれをボーボボで知りたくなかった
ボーボボ時空はミルグラムだった…？
@@TekkouLovesOZこんなドロドロ展開ボーボボで見たくないな…
第一審MVをふまえると美容院の担当と話したりバイトしたりできるだけの社会性があって（友達の描写こそなかったけれど…）大学に通えているなら知能指数も問題がない、発達らしい描写もなかった、親戚の結婚式に参列した感想がポジティブなものだったから家庭環境も悪くなさそう…とメンヘラになる素地があんまり見つからない子なんだよなあ。こんな子が「ふつうの恋愛」でここまで重くなる？はじめての恋愛はだれでも多少は重くなるものだろうけれど、死を選ぶまで？とそこが引っかかっている
ケーキ＝ネズミ説に則るならネズミを先に与えたのは彼氏の方だし、はじめての彼氏に問題があったことで精神に異常をきたした可能性はあると思う
歌詞「好きだよって言うのも好きなのに」がサイコーにエゴで好き
岡咲美保の表現力すげえな
１回乗ったら止まるまで降りれないメリーゴーランド…
個人的にラストの「題」の歌詞､英語字幕で見てゾッとした~…
相変わらず凝ってて素敵なMVでした…
相手を拘束しすぎて仕事とかも辞めさせちゃって貯金を使い果たして鳥かごの維持も出来ずホームレスへ。
マヒルさんは愛があれば生きていける人間で、相手が仕事も家を失っても大好きなままだったんだろうな。
でも恋人はそうじゃなかったんだろうね。
恋人はそれでも仕事も家も金もない自分を愛してくれるのはこの人だけだろうと依存しようとしたけど、マヒルさんは仕事をしてくるとかじゃなく、野のネズミを捕まえて「なんでもう歩けないなんて言うの？なんでもうついていけないとか言うの？あ、そうだ！お腹減ってるからだね！大丈夫だよ！私がご飯持ってきたよ！食べて！盗んだんじゃないよ！私がちゃんと調達してきたんだよ！お金かかって無いんだよ！すごいでしょ！おっきいほうあげるからね」みたいな感じじゃなかろうか？
いやぁ…凄いなぁ。
こんなにとんでもないのにキャラクターとして愛らしくて可愛すぎて赦したくなっちゃう。
でも現実にこんな人が存在するとしたら…看守の立場にいたらコトコさんに「他の人優先して」って陳情あげるくらいはする…。
2番から2人で樹海を彷徨うような描写があるんだけど、ここでゾッとした。この『樹海』って彼氏目線なんだよね。でもマヒルさんからすると『遊園地』になる。これは2人の家の中での生活を描いたのかなって思ってる🤔。（さらっと同棲させてますが）
だから彼氏はだんだん愛が重くなっていくマヒルさんを見てまるで『樹海』を彷徨った気分になるけど、マヒルさんは愛があれば生きていけそうな人だから彼氏が居ても居なくても愛があった空間はとても幸せだった『遊園地』になるんじゃないかな…
｢どうかしちゃうよ、このままじゃ｣ってセリフ、マヒルちゃんじゃなくて彼氏さんのセリフなのかもと思って震えてる。
彼氏さんはマヒルちゃんの重さに潰されそうになってこのままじゃお互い良くないって意味で言ったんだろうけど、マヒルちゃんはそれを｢幸せすぎてどうかしちゃう｣と解釈しちゃって(ケーキを差し出す前に少し考える仕草をしているので)｢どうかしちゃってもいいよ、一緒に幸せでい続けようよ｣って思いでいちごのケーキを差し出してたけど、彼氏さんからするとそれももう苦痛でしかなくてここのすれ違いが原因で自殺してしまったとか…
もしかしてこれ、マヒルさんDV男にDV仕返してた？そう考えると一審の歌詞全般に心当たりある気がする…
こっちのMVでも男が最初にネズミケーキあーんしてるよな…いくら愛が重くても大人同士のちゃんとしたお付き合いで普通自殺するか？って感じするしコトコさんの暴力に一切疑念を感じてないしやっぱ普通の恋愛ではなさそう
というかミルグラム内のマッピーなんか善良な恋する女の人すぎて怖い
あんな状態で皆のこと大好きとか言えるのがもう強すぎるしコトコさんの暴力を怖がってるのに許容してるのが怖い DV受けてる人の言動すぎる
歌詞みるに精神的に弱々になった理由って愛を否定されたのが大半だよね？1,2審MVでもずっと愛以外なんも語ってなくて怖いよ
3審で場を乱すのはおそらくアマネちゃんなんだろうけど、マッピーにももう1段階やばめの進化残されてそうで怖いな
うっは〜 まじか。
最初が暗めでびっくりしたけど
サビはポップな曲調で癖になる…
あとシンプルみほちゃんの歌声好き1:43〜やばい。
大大大…diediedie…？
暗い曲調から明るいポップアップな曲調になるの躁鬱を表しているのかな
なんでI miss youのIないんだろって思ったら
衣食住+愛 miss you
の愛が「I」なのか…
区切って考えちゃってた…
マヒルさんやっぱ心中でマヒルさんだけ生き残っちゃったのかな…
背景樹海だしそうだよね…
けど調べたらmissってお別れの言葉で向こうでも楽しんできてね的なシチュでも使うって出てきてなんか勝手に震えてる:(´◦ω◦｀):
衣食住ってやっぱ愛はマヒルさんにとって食事と同じく摂取しなきゃ死ぬもんなのかな…
あぁ考察するだけで胸が痛い…😢
なんとなくだけど、一方的な依存じゃなくて共依存だったんじゃ…？
マヒルは自分の愛情に対して見返りは求めていなかった(ただ一緒にいてくれればそれで良かった)。でも、彼氏はそれを愛情を受け取ってもらえていないと感じた。愛情を注いでも受け取ってもらえない(流されてた?)ことで、どんどん心身に不調をきたしていって追い詰められた。耐えきれなくなり気持ちを話すも、マヒルは気にせず変わらず同じように愛を与え続けた。自分の話を聞いてくれない、話し合いがまともに出来ない、でもマヒルから離れて生きていくことはできない。追い詰められた思考の中で唯一の解決策が自殺だった。
この映像はマヒルの深層心理だから、彼氏視点のように見えるものも、マヒルが考える彼視点になる。彼が死んで、第一審でも許されなくて、自分がケーキだと思って与えていたものが、彼から見たらネズミだったのかもしれないことに気づいたのかな
After listening to Mahiru's Second Voice Drama, let me just tell you that she is probably even a bigger victim of the First Trial than we used to think💔
Es is generally really toned down here because they feel guilty for what happened to Mahiru, probably the most consoling they have ever been towards anyone.
When asked what they saw in the first MV which made them not forgive Mahiru: they recall she was having fun and seemed happy, so... Tbh, it sounded almost like Es themselves started to question 'their' decisions here.
Finally, they suggested that Mahiru was a stalker who perceived her obsession as something good for both sides (so they adopted one of the initial infamous fan theories as Es's "argument")
Mahiru was hurt by this statement. She ensured that the feeling was mutual. Moreover, her boyfriend himself was speaking about "fate" that had a play in their happy relationship. After recalling how her relationship worked, she simply added "I'm not a stalker." She also sounded upset after hearing Es's reasoning which, to her, made her seem like a liar.
Aside from that, we have a few moments where Mahiru gets weaker physically but brushes it off since she claims nothing can hurt her anymore/she doesn't feel anything because of the verdict. As she said earlier, not forgiving her = taking away her right to love = might as well die, nothing matters. Also usual deal with "Guilty" Prisoners being tormented by voices in their heads telling them they are wrong and everything is their fault.
Finally, Es sounds regretful when Mahiru tells them to "continue to do their best" since she told them she loves people who do their work diligently, and they do a great job at that so far.
We're probably going to get one hella heavy MV
Please take this woman away from this hell🙏
the fact she still shows positivity toward ES after being beaten almost to death due to being assumed to being a stalker, and literally losing her will to live… god she wrecks me, she deserves better than this
Where can i watch english translated sec trial mahiru
And look like she doesn't want us to vote kotoko guilty because kotoko beat her. she want us to be thinking more for judge someone... even if kotoko beat her. she's deserved better
Don't vote
Mahiru is a good girl, but as long as she is locked in her concept of love, she is a danger to all her partners. Also, unfortunately, we have not yet been able to see the relationship itself. Especially the negative side, the most was when they argued but "make up" (it still feels like she forced them to get back together). I am very concerned that she indirectly manipulated her boyfriend with "If this love doesn't work out, there's no point in living" without realising. Because that is Mahiru's bad point, she is so locked in her love mindset that if she does not get out of it, unfortunately she does not deserve her forgiveness, because forgiving her implies condemning the future of her next love.
Still, I agree that it wouldn't be wrong to forgive her this trial to give her a rest, she needs it.
ネズミ→不浄、死の象徴
ケーキ→幸福の象徴
マヒルさんにとっての幸福を与えるって行為は、彼氏さんにとって不浄と死を押し付けられてるのと同義だったんですね、、
なんか悲しい
I really like the cage and the carousel as Mahiru's MV symbols so far. The cage is obvious enough, but the carousel being a cycle with ups and downs is a very clever image to show how the relationship worked. It's possible that both Mahiru and her partner felt trapped in a way, terrified of what may happen if they were to end their relationship.
Conclusion of this MV: she took "DENIAL" to another level
闇落ちしてるマヒルさんもかわいすぎる
｢ねえどうして ねえどうして 私はできないの｣
って歌詞、第一審の愛なんですよでは｢痛みはお揃いでしょ｣ってフレーズもあったし、後追い(もしくは心中？)しようとしたけど自分は出来なかった…って事かな？って思ったり
the 15 second preview *really* gave a different impression of this song from the first 15 seconds of the actual song...definitely showing a contrast in perspective
I know everyone is talking about how she fed him dead rats but I wonder why they were in the suicide forest in the first place. I don't think she would drug him and then drag him to the suicide forest of all place for a hike? She said this just before the final chorus, the forest scene, "I would do anything as long as you smiled", hence I think the double suicide theory is plausible. She could probably suffocate both of them with her love, to the point he went depressed and wanted to commit suicide. She tried even harder to love him, to make him smile and convince him not to end his life but instead he wants her to do so together with him.
"What you trampled is my 'This is how to be in love with you'", I think this partly showed how angry and frustrated she was instead of being naive and in love as she showed before, probably because she tried so hard in her opinion and he just couldn't accept it.
"My emotions are going out of control", "Tell me, why are you not here anymore?", she snapped oh boy she snapped so hard. She thought that he was no longer the one she fell in love with, probably because of something he said in that scene. She went even more delusional and completely lost touch with reality. She fed him rats oh no.
The last line "die" I think really shows how she got sick of the perfect love she always dreamt of, as much as it suffocates her lover, it also suffocates her. She hates it, but this is supposed to be her dream, thus the carousel of abuse and delusion continues until one of them breaks.
This is just my take, because it doesn't sit with me right when someone said that she is the one who loves too much. I think the lyrics pretty much shows that she is pretty much sick of the perfect love. Maybe that's why she said to Es that they could just do whatever they think is right (I'm not sure if I remember it correctly), maybe it's because she tried so hard to change herself and please her lover. I haven't listened to the drama cd yet though. I hope people will go through his seriously before making the judgement, because I'm seriously scared that she won't make it to the next trial....
Interpretation:
Pay attention to the lyrics in the captions.
0:14 "Clothes Food Shelter + Love and Miss you"
Mahiru's boyfriend (I'll call him BF from now on) showered Mahiru with love and affection every time she was feeling sad. This influenced Mahiru and made her think that's how relationships worked (it seemed to be her first, after all)
Now, the couple has lost their **home**, are **starving**, and wear **torn and tattered clothes**.
1:35 "Clothes Food Shelter - Love and Miss you" It's now subtraction.
BF is in shambles and asks Mahiru for help.
Mahiru doesn't know what to do and instead does what BF always did to her in times of stress: shower the other with love and only that.
This did not help at all, and BF ended his own life from the stress of their situation.
Now, she considers her way of expressing love as a deadly weapon 0:12 "My lethal weapon: "This is how to be in love with you" (which is also the title of her previous song)
I didn't use a birdcage analogy for this, but I'm sure it connects in some way.
On an unrelated note: The instrumental for her cover of "Parasite" reminds me of the nostalgic music you'd hear in fun little ROBLOX games and tutorial videos from 2016-18. It's very comforting!
Thank you for mentioning this, it makes sense and I see what you meant.
With this theory, the cage is a simple metaphor to how the first MV was all in Mahiru's point of view, we are trapped to what she sees, what she feels, what she desires, etc., hence a cage. Unlike this MV where in we are seeing both side of the story.
Mahiru's POV is happy and positive, were are her partner's POV is suffering and later negative.
Birdcage connects as it was a way old paintings used to metaphorical represent when a women was *finically* trapped by their partner
ローテンションな雰囲気からいきなりポップな雰囲気になるのマヒルさんの不安定さ表してるのかな
第一審で自分の恋愛観や価値観を否定されて精神ズタボロになって、今回それを「どうしてダメだったの？」って看守に問いている感じがする…
あと、色々感情がぐちゃぐちゃのはずなのに健気に大好きって言い続けているのは嬉しいんだけど、なんだか縛られている感じがして辛い…
マヒルちゃん幸せになって…
何故ネズミなんだろうと思ったけど、マヒルを猫に置き換えてるのかもしれない。
第一審でマヒルがいたのは鳥籠。でも、本当の鳥は彼のほうだった。鳥にとって猫は天敵。ただ、マヒルのほうに天敵(彼と相性が悪い人)である自覚はない。マヒルは彼に近づこうと鳥(彼と趣味などが似ている人)になろうとする。始めは順調だった。けれど、近づけば近づくほど、マヒルの本質が現れ出す。重すぎる愛。マヒルにとってはそれが好物(=ケーキ、幸せ)だけど、彼にとっては天敵の好物(=ネズミ、不幸)だった。
この先マヒルと過ごすのは耐えられない。でもきっと逃げ出すことも叶わない。最終的に彼が辿り着いた結論は死。
マヒルは直接彼を殺めてはない。けれど、いじめなどによる自殺において加害者が被害者を殺したと言われるように、彼女もまたヒトゴロシとして選ばれたのだろう。
早く聞きたくて長いこと待っていた