Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore - Review!
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- It's time to go back to Hogwarts (kind of) in the third Fantastic Beasts film - but is it a fantastic movie?
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The problem with this franchise has been the sloppy mishmash of the Fantastic Beasts plotline and the Grindelwald/Dumbledore rivalry. If the movies had decided to focus on just one plotline from the beginning, reception would have been different
Good movie but contradicts A LOT of what was established in the og HP series. These are a few IMO:
1. Jacob and his wand. How can a muggle use a wand if a wand is supposed to channel inner magic of a wizard... and muggles do not have that magic. To go a step further, how can he even go through the walls and magical porkeys (like at the German Ministry)?
2. Why is the Supreme Mugwamp post so important in this series? In HP 5 (book) it was established that Dumbledore lost his position as Supreme Mugwamp after the whole Voldemort is Back situation. It was very that the post wasnt of any importance at all. If it was, how can the 'leader' of the wizarding community be threatened by someone like Doleres (a British Ministry staff) or even be a skl teacher? Why would? What even did Dumbledore as the Supreme Mugwamp? In this movie, the Supreme Mugwamp was portrayed as a celeb but how come Dumbledore wasn't portrayed in the same manner at all (when be was Supreme Mugwamp). Anw, the point is, it wasnt important then, how is it important now?
3. The whole mirror dimension in the Credence fight.. and also the fight with Grindelwald (if the mirror dimensioms were the same). If these sorta different dimensions where nobody sees the duels exist, it completely changes the whole combat aspect of duels in the wizarding world.
For the Fantastic Beasts series and in terms of cinematics, the movie was great but as a Potterhead, probably not. Would be great MovieFlame or Rowling herself can answer some of these questions in the future. Would rly love to hear what you potterheads think as well.
As a Dane, I am very impressed with your correct pronunciation of Mads Mikkelsen, which isn't seen often outside of Denmark 😆
Time stamp?
Never mind!
Hahaha
Appreciate the correct ish pronunciation as well
Pls explain why the Supreme Mugump post is so important all of a sudden as well. In the book (HP 5), they mentioned that Dumbledore was the Supreme Mugwump untill he lost the post after the Voldrmort is Back situation. But didnt rly mention anything Dumbledore did as the supreme mugwamp. In fact, it wasn't even portrayed as of much importance at all. How come Dumbledore had no control over the Doleres situation as a Supreme Mugwomp for example. Or how would Fudge even think that the Supreme Mugwomp would want to steal his position as the Minister of Magic which is far inferior to the Supreme Mugwump. If Dumbledore was the most powerful (by rank as the Supreme Mugwump) in the world, how come he had to obey all sorts of commands by the Ministry of Magic UK and werent even like a celebrity like Supreme Mugwumps are portrayed in this movie (FB 3). This rly need to be explained.
Let's be honest, most of us Potterheads are only interested in Dumbledore and Grindelwald storyline. It's was a huge mistake to include it in this franchise...I absolutely think that Fantastic Beasts should be its own trilogy which sets up the next trilogy for Dumbledore vs Gridelwald!
Yeah, this one is my favorite precisely because we focus more on Dumbledore and Grinderwald. Fascinating stuff.
However, I love Newt and the beasts, they bring warmth and heart to the story. The problem is that those two stories don't mix well. Why would Dumbledore recruit any of these characters to fight Grinderwald? That's really strange to me.
@@Evy2526 Well said!
Yes. Or only one film of FB
I think the forced inclusion of magic animals has really outstayed its welcome. Grindelwald having to brainwash a magic zombie deer rather than being a charismatic public speaker with a convincing plan like in the last film really weakened his character for me. Newt also feels a little out of place. It really could’ve been about dumbledore and grindelwald without having to keep the first movie’s cast. Could’ve just got rid of the fantastic beasts title and had the first movie be a standalone adventure. Just call this “The Secrets of Dumbledore”, let D and G be the main characters and trust that the “wizarding world” intro tells audiences what franchise it’s a part of.
These movies shouldn’t have huge stakes…
These films should be about Newt going round on adventures with ‘Fantastic Beasts’.
Search for a dragon to save from poachers, discover a mysterious beast that’s been heard about for centuries but never captured, stop a killer animal that’s terrorized a small town… etc
Then you can do the Wizard world war in a different franchise, bringing in Newt after his trilogy. You then care about the new characters and introduce new versions of the old ones, I.e. Jude Law Dumbledore.
In his travels, he could also showcase the magical community in other countries/continents. So much missed opportunity
That sound so pleasant!! I honestly thought that was the idea before any of these came out. Like, it's in the title, what else would it be about?!? I was sadly mistaken.
I'm not too keen on the second idea, but it would have worked much better than what we got.
@@sizanix Cultural magic, magic though a cultural lens. That would be so interesting. I don't have faith they would have done this justice, but still, missed opportunity for a much better franchise.
Omg i just wrote something like that and i thought i was the only one that wanted this and then i read through the comments and found your responses 😃 yes, exactly this! I wanted fantastic beasts dammit!
Watching the movie I think two things are very clear; this franchise should have been about Dumbledore from the beginning, and Mads Mikkelsen should have been cast as Grindlewald from the onset. Depp was 100% miscast for the role, Mikkelsen brings more depth and is a more compelling villain. He and Jude Law also have great chemistry.
Yeah, an uninspiring villain that could be played by any 80s actor he's so great at being moody and silent. Johnny was at least giving us a personality this guy is a walking box. Like when they kill that child you can feel the pain in Depps eyes this guy just running around murdering animals like he's voldy 2.
@UCcrsKzuwlMs-Og5z77Gno6w sorry didn’t like Depp’s interpretation of the character; and I could never understand why people would follow him.
@@intotheunknown6736 Well I don't understand how people could follow Hitler but they did. just because you don't like something doesn't make it bad.
@@asterphoenix3074 dude wtf is your problem? I just left a comment; get over yourself. Depp isn’t gonna pick you.
@@intotheunknown6736 pick me for what you lost me.
The big title of the series: The Fantastic Beast, and somehow the main story of the series is not about the fantastic beasts
Yeah. I really enjoyed the first one. Would much have preferred that tone and characters. Why couldn't they have just made a trilogy like that..... Then just use the Grindelwald stuff to set up a much more focused trilogy of young Dumbledore. With cameos from characters we'd come to love from a real Newt trilogy.....I will probably will wait till this goes to streaming to bother with it.
Yeah I’m pretty confident this franchise at least needs a change in directors. David Yates dark aesthetic worked great towards the end of the Potter films because the story itself became darker, but it seems out of place in the Fantastic Beasts series. The series feels like it would benefit from a nice bright color palate to really bring that magic and wonder back to these movies.
Also, I think JK Rowling shouldve just written this story as a series of novels first and then let screenwriters interpret the story into a compelling film. JK Rowling writes great novels - not so much when it comes to film.
This is one of those unfortunate series where everything happening off-screen is more interesting than what’s happening onscreen.
Having just seen all three movies back to back, this is probably the best of the trilogy but they have a common problem: there’s just a lack of magic. I think this third one benefits from the return of Yates but even now he still has trouble depicting magic the way that Chris Columbus managed to in the original two HP films.
And the absence of Tina really is painful. She’s been my second favorite character and if it really is just because of pettiness on the part of Rowling, that’s a shame and just more evidence that she’s got too much power in this franchise.
Mads is a better Grindelwald than Depp, even if I don’t particularly care for the circumstances that led to the replacement being made.
I think there may be a good, even great, movie series somewhere in here but three movies in, it has yet to show itself. That doesn’t bode well.
What do you mean the return of Yates? He hasn’t gone anywhere in this series. He’s done all three fantastic beasts
@@horrorfan1415 you’re totally right, don’t know why I thought otherwise. I did think this film looked better than the second but that’s really not saying much.
I haven’t heard about Rowling writing out Tina? Why?
Hot take: I don't like David Yates' directing style. All he seems to have done is take away the color and whimsy of the HP universe and make the most uninspired decisions at every turn when it comes to the portrayal of magic, at least compared to all the directors that came before him.
Wait tina isn’t back, but queenie is? Why did jk write out tina?
Mikkelsen is a huge upgrade in the acting department. When I saw the first FB film, the audience audibly groaned when Depp was revealed at the end.
I don't remember if audience did but I rolled my eyes real hard
I was one of those people.
Can we digitally insert Mikkelsen in the previous movies?
Same! I groaned too! I think Depp was a cartoonish villain. With Mads and Jude Law, I was like, "I get it" with the sexual tension between them. There was something in Mads' performance where you could see there is some hurt about Dumbledore turning away from him.
The audience in my theater was audibly disappointed too. Mads is a better actor.
i wish the fantastic beasts series had anything at all to do with fantastic beasts and, you know, where to find them. and nothing whatsoever with dumbledore and grindelwald
then this could be fun
these however suck
Yes. Exactly this. There are so many comments like that 😃 i thought i was the only one that wanted to see actual fantastic beasts and mythological animals all around the planet instead of a spy-war mess centered around Grindewald and Dumbledore... it's kinda comforting to see others share the opinion.
I came into this film expecting a bit of a narrative mess and, thanks to that mindset and not taking it too seriously I actually enjoyed it overall, it had just enough fun parts to meet what it needed and Jude Law did a really solid job at selling Dumbledoor.
Minor Spoilers:
I also found myself laughing when it was revealed that the plan was to just confuse Grindlewald, I half believe that they filmed that scene after it was realised how much of a mess the first half of the movie was shaking up to be.
I swear that exact thought popped in my head about the “confusion” part
I saw the movie two days ago. It's an improvement of course but the lack of Tina Goldstein was so dissapointing. I love her in the first two and the fact that she was not in the movie until the final 10 minutes was really dissapointing. It's technically not a spoiler since she was barely in the marketing
You think Maybe it's because the comments she made about j.k. Rowling?
@@ItsJustJess269 really tho? It's either that or maybe Rowling just have no idea what to do with her character. If Rowling hated Katherine's comment against her, she could've just removed her character from the movie but instead she got a very little screentime which means Rowling tolerate her a bit
@@K0m30ng If she was in the last 10 mins then you're probably right. I love her the first two movies hopefully this movie Dawes make some box office returns so we can see the five deal sequel that the studio wants cuz I will love to see the two more installments hopefully she is a pivotal role in those movies she was an amazing character and I love her chemistry with newt scamander
@@ItsJustJess269 dude I saw the movie two days ago and yes Tina was in the final 10 minutes of the movie and yet she could've easily be removed because she didn't brought anything to the movie. She didn't joined the journey, she was just in New York. And yet Katherine is still credited in the movie as part of the main cast billing despite the lack of marketing for Tina. It's not a cameo, it's just a supporting role with a small screentime. It's not a spoiler, just go see it for yourself. It's very dissapointing considering how likeable her screen presence is the first two
@@K0m30ng that was a typo on my last comment and yeah I know you saw the movie I read what you said then, I don't know why they made her role small. My only theory is that she said those things about j.k. Rowling so they put her Less in it
Its sad you are unable to watch RRR but have to review films like this and morbius because of the audience demand
The movies could have been like the anime Mushishi. It should have been a trilogy focusing on Newt, his gang, their adventures with fantastical beasts. That could have been so much fun. In a similar tone to Dead Man's Chest. Great action scenes, characters you can get attached to. If they really needed to shoehorn in legacy characters, they could have come up as cameos or supporting characters. Like Dumbledore making an appearance and helping Newt on a quest etc.
Counter Point. This entire series should have been about Dumbledore, like the Harry Potter series before it, since J.K and W.B are desperately trying to please their HP fan-base and making references to it constantly in any case.
Movie 1 - Dumbledore: Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. Here, they could have introduced Dumbledore(Jude Law) and Newt(Eddie Redmayne) as co-leads, the plot of the movie revolving around those two. The threat of Grindelwald slowly building up and Dumbledore enlisting support and preparing for war in the shadows. Towards the end Colin Firth is revealed to be Grindelwald, evades capture and offscreen, shape shifts to Johnny Depp.
Movie II - Dumbledore: The Crimes of Grindelwald. Here they could have mostly focused on Johnny Depp as Grindelwald. Developing him as a charismatic, very powerful & dangerous leader. Dumbledore, once again would be featured as a co-lead. Still choosing to operate from behind the curtain, he desperately tries to use Newt and the other mages to stop Grindelwald's crime spree to gain power and favor. They fail miserably. People get killed and others like Queenie choose to switch sides. His followers begin questioning his decision to not face Grindelwald himself. They call him a coward. Grindelwald comes on top at the end of this movie. He feels like no one can stop him and finally assumes his true form, that of Mads Mikkelsen. (Essentially, this movie should have been all about Grindelwald and his crimes, as it was named!! duh!!)
Movie III - Dumbledore: The Secrets of Dumbledore. This movie would or should have been an exploration of Dumbledore - his past & present. This movie should have been told from his perspective, the series finally putting him in center stage. They could have taken the opportunity to show us a younger Dumbledore, his meeting with Grindelwald, their friendship perhaps a blossoming romance. The blood pact. Aberforth. The connection with Credence. A terrible death in Dumbledore's family. Meanwhile, Grindelwald is amassing more power and perhaps he has already convinces a majority of witches and wizards to join his cause. At the end perhaps they finally meet and have a chat, like Magneto and Xavier does(It's basically the same conflict here too! *sigh* ). Grindelwald tries to persuade Dumbledore to join him. Dumbledore refuses. Grindelwald straight up threatens him. Dumbledore just smiles like he always does.
Movie IV and V could have been about the war itself.
Note: Just like how the Defense Against the Dark Arts teacher changes every year, I like how the actor playing Grindelwald changes with every film, even if that was never J.K's design.
Note: Yes, I wrote this before I watched the review. :)
Exactly it could of been a fun adventure movie with Newt collecting magical creatures all over the world
Meh. I don't think that would have been particularly interesting to be honest. I've heard others say the same.
@@asr2021 Totally bought the pitch. While i do prefer a fantastic beats specific franchise, if these movies were solely and only about Dumbledore and Grindly, I'd be in. So much to explore, so much to story to tell. It's just disappointing how messy these actual films are.
I think Steve Kloves' involvement is actually making this movie better than previous movies. I love the 1st movie, but the 2nd is just an absolute mess and boring. JK Rowling is not great in screenplay, and I think the next movie, she should stepped down from screenwriting and becoming producer instead, like GRRM with GOT or George Lucas for Star Wars franchise. She should be just the brain of the franchise, not the executor, because she's inexperienced with screenwriting department.
Really these films should have been divided into 2 different series of movies. Fantastic beasts should have been fun movies about magical creatures more in the tone of the earlier harry potter movies aimed at the younger audience. While the story about Dumbledore and Grindelwald should have been a separate series entirely billed as a prequel to harry potter with a darker tone aimed more at older harry potter fans. Instead of attempting to mash together 2 completely disjointed themes into one series of movies.
I've never seen a franchise being so consistently mediocre as fantastic beasts
You thought Fantastic Beasts (FB) 1 and FB2 were at the same level of mediocre or maybe mediocre for different reasons? I haven't seen FB3, but the first two were very different for me and I would not call them consistent.
There's no doubt about it, J.K. is the only detriment of this new franchise. She should've never gotten the green light to write the screenplay. A screenwriter's job is much much harder! She just writes the characters as she sees fit, changing her mind every few months! Steve Kloves should always write the screenplay for these movies, period!
Even Stephen King , as great of a book author as he is, isn’t known much for his screenwriting, which he’s tried.. it’s just two different forms of talent and they f-ed up giving her control tho she may not have signed off otherwise
I thought she did a good job with the first movie. It was very simple and straightforward
Get David Yates out please! I need some color back in the wizarding world.
It's funny. I love Harry Potter and then hated the first two of these.
I've been desperate for them to get rid of Yates since FB1 and so I had absolutely no intention of seeing this.
However, everything in this review about the wizarding world and the conflict between Dumbledore and Grindlewald seem to be everything I've been waiting for since reading the Deathly Hallows.🤔🤔🤔
We should have just had a prequel series with Dumbledore and Grindlewald. That was the only interesting thing in this movie.
Totes, we need an episodic, irreverent International, Scamander magical animal adventure (Indiana Jones meets Pokemon)
And separately, a more adult, dark, emotional, scandalous, dramatic and tragic Dumbledore/ Grindelwald prequel - which actually *shows their childhood worth Arianna & baby Credence.
Why again has Ezra Miller gotten a pass when he’s been on video choking someone when Depp had to drop out to allegations only? This is a more anti Miller comment than Pro Depp comment fyi
I'm definitely not going to see it because for most reason (if you know,you know) but later today I'm going to see everything everywhere all at once.
oh, definitely, I'm not going to spend a single dime on this, but in a few months/year if I stumble across it I'll prob watch just for Mikkelsen, I quite like him.
jeez man WB has been a shit show in terms of franchises for a long time now, wtf is going on lol
As a Dane, well done with the pronunciation of Mads Mikkelsen, Dan.
Spoiler Free Review - I have been a long time Harry Potter fan..💯 And as recently I have completed the book series, I fell in love with this to franchise even more, with that being said.. This 3rd installment of the Harry Potter spin off Prequel series Fantastic Beasts The Secrets Of Dumbledore was just a blast.. 💎💎It brought back the magic that made our hearts jump and it has all those nostalgia that true Potterheads recognize.. It's Truely an amazing piece of art and I definitely highly recommend all Potterheads to go to the theater and experience it there! ✅⚡
This movie deserves to hit
Every actor did an amazing job and they worked hard for this film!
Kindly respect that as well ✨
PS - Make sure to re-watch the Harry Potter and Fantastic Beasts 1 and 2 and learn the background of Dumbledore's story to understand this movie in a better way!
#SecretsOfDumbledore
#wizardingworld
#wizard
#wizardingworldofharrypotter
Thanks! Glad to hear the main movie going audience hasn't brought down the energy for other potterheads either
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@@jebus6kryst my Brain said it to do it
Directed by my heart which loved the movie
When you're a die hard fan.. You try to promote it in every possible way
Don't get me wrong I'm a huge Harry Potter fan. I just got back from watching this movie and I have to give it a 6/10. It wasn't great and it wasn't terrible, it just was there.
@@wolflover1513 support or
Not feeling this series AT ALL. Loved the charm and vibe of the Harry Potter series but this one, I’m out. Feels like how the Hobbit trilogy was so over-bloated and lackluster compared to the original Lord of the Rings series.
Few initial thoughts after watching this movie last week from a casual HP (movies only) fan;
Too many characters, too little to care about most of them or plot/ story.
I was big proponent of Newt up until this movie, but do we really need Newt going forward?
Do we really need 5 movies to tell this story?
Was there any "secret" alluded to or implied or revealed in this movie? Can't recall anything substantial.
Why is magic missing in what is supposed to be fantastical movie?
"Fantastic Beast" aspect still seems ham-fisted, more so than before.
All in all, only thing going on for this movie is that;
It's better than the 2nd movie and maybe on par or a bit better than the 1st one,
Mads Mikkelsen and Dan Fogler.
My rating: 6/10
What are you talking about the first movie had the most newt and it was trash.
1st 2/10
2nd 7/10
3rd 5/10
@@asterphoenix3074 The first should be 7 or 8/10
@@diypropsmodels7064 I would have to rewatch it but watching a lame character like newt for 2 hours is horrendous the only good parts were Grindelwald. The creatures are cool but it's like they were just used to extend runtime it all fills very forced.
@@asterphoenix3074 the first movie is literally focused on Newt and his relationship with his creatures
@@diypropsmodels7064 I know and it's boring I would rather have watched a movie that just went around a hp zoo.
I'll say it's definitely the best kind of mediocrity. It isn't formulaic and boring, but rather tries a lot of things, some of them that work and others that don't so it evens out to an average movie.
This film felt like 4-5 different films smashed together and while I was on board with about 3 of them (the actual fantastic beasts one, the Dumbledore family drama, the romantic drama between Albus and Gellert) and they worked fairly well together, the unfortunately put the biggest focus on the 2 I was least interested about (the magic mafia film and the far-right political thriller). The tone is all over the place, characters keep popping in and out of the action and clearly had full side adventures and character development we don’t get to see but are expected to resonate with, the dialogue is HORRENDOUS at parts (the bit where Newt explains how he knows Hicks is particularly painful, as well as the random sum up of the previous two films??). It all boils down to the same problem the previous ones had - JK is a novelist, not a screen writer. She doesn’t know how to introduce exposition onto screen in an organic way and gets too convoluted in plots and reveals that would work in a novel, but not on screen. My feelings about her aside, this franchise’s only hope is to get rid of her as a writer and only use her as a consultant and get some strong screenwriters onboard.
As a film, this wasn’t that bad, but as a Harry Potter/Wizarding world film it was TERRIBLE. The magic made no sense at times (that’s not how they told us that portkeys work), they completely change important aspects of Dumbledore’s past that were key characterisation elements for him and his arc in the series, she’s retroactively trying to change a series people spent 2 decades being familiar with and it falls flat for fans, doesn’t work for newbies to the world either. Just a bloody mess.
"Dark is a tone. Not an identity."
Me going to see this: “I’m not going to a good movie, not really”.
Newt is not interesting or charismatic. Second movie is not good. This I’ll watch. Potter tie is strong.
I can't get behind these movies where wizards wear 3-piece suits and not robes. Why are they wearing suits?! Why does Dumbledore wear a suit while inside Hogwarts while teaching!??!!
The best HP movie is always the one directed by Cuaron, The Prisoner of Azkaban. That was dark but also felt magical and started the "Hogwarts looks different in evey movie" joke that was used from then on, without looking fake. And that was the time travelling movie, and somehow was simpler and had better pacing than any of the two Fantastic Beasts that I've seen.
‘Goblet of Fire’ is my favorite film from the wizard world. It’s got the dark, the dragons, and death balancing
@@jeffnicholas6342 it is good but I would have loved to see how everyone else defeated their dragons. That is my one complaint of that movie / book.
@@thevikingbear2343 yeah, seeing the other Tri-wizards against their dragons would have been rad
Get rid Of David Yates and J.K Rowling it really needs a new Director and screenwriter
Dan. The problem goes all the way back to Nolan’s “Dark Knight.” That film was so grim and dark but was also a huge, monster hit, that WB made that the style guide for its DCU and every other franchise in its I.P. library, rather than looking at “Dark Knight” as a one-off, lucky break. Instead, every film they produce must be getting negative C.E. “notes” to simply bleach the joy and fun out of every single story beat, and to “bleach bypass” or DaVinci Resolve color correct set to 90% “Desaturate” the films’ footage, so that no color or any life accidentally seeps through to the audience’s eyes. It’s a totally grim and wrong-headed approach that is borne out of WB executives wanting to telegraph that they “get” cinema and are “keeping it real” when in fact they are know-nothings who die on the hill of the book “Save The Cat” for story structure and story beats, and who are applying that Christopher Nolan movie plug-in to every film WB now makes, as if it were a drop-down in Adobe Premiere.
I think the dark tone of the DCU had more to do with Zack Snyder than with Nolan (though the success of TDK probably encouraged Snyder to go that route) and in regards to Harry Potter, the movies were already getting dark (and needlessly desaturared) with The Order of the Phoenix, which came out a year before TDK.
Dark themes suit batmans world not every other IP.
I’ll be checking out later today with my family, but I’m definitely apprehensive about this movie. The last two had some great moments in them, but overall felt lackluster. It sounds like this third installment will be very similar. Excited to see more of the Phoenix however. Easily my favorite creature from the Harry Potter series!
It’s as good as the other Fantastic Beasts and better imo
Yeah I hated the first fantastic beats and skipped the second. This one felt a lot more magical and enjoyable, it’s never going to be what The Harry Potter Saga was, but it scrapes close in this film at times imo
The first mistake that critics do is compare is FB movies to Harry Potter movies. HP is more of a young adults movies that go darker as they grow older. While FB is always more adult oriented. It's how adults do magic in that world. And, another thing, of course these movies will continue to grow even darker as this is the first wizarding war. Grindelwald seeks power and don't want to hide from muggles anymore. And, with Dumbledore tragic backstory, it also make this movie more adult oriented.
Dude, I don't think the comparison is based on the tone but the comparison is literally based on the story consistent of the series. Harry Potter has consistency throughout, it knows where the story would go. Fantastic Beasts however was literally all over the place
Sadly, Newt Scamander has become an afterthought in his own series. This is a hard pass for me.
I have a geniune question. Was anything accomplished in the first half? [Mild Spoiler ahead]
When the characters were reflecting about what happened so far, they basically said they're at the start again. And if I remember correctly, they really achieved nothing. To me, it felt like the entire first half was going absolutely nowhere. Did I miss something?
Bunty acquired some briefcases, which she shouldn't have needed to have traveled to Berlin for since duplication spells exist (as seen by the multiplying pastries in the same movie)
they stopped Grindelwald from assassinating the lady the ended up being the newly elected leader. And Newt rescued his brother from the magical gulag.
@@neiltolbert3700 Alright, that makes more sense then. I remember the Gulag thing, but that also felt like filler to me, I think I need to watch the film a second time. Thanks!
@@ikschrijflangenamen Oh right, true
Fintastic fins, the rimple dimple of stimple impel. Fantastic greets, the secrets of grumplestiltskin. Fantasia beats, secrets of dimpledork.
And so many more.
After Crimes car crash I promised myself I would not spend any more money or time on it and I stand by that decision
I enjoyed it, the first two are payed off.
Correct, we have went from magical creatures to Dumbledore and his family and personal issues that is spilling over in the magical community. In Secrets of Dumbledore, you can literally use one hand to count how many new creatures are brought up vs the other movies.
WB should of just did Cursed Child movie or a HBO Max show prequel about the four founders of Hogwarts and called it a day.
Oh NOT Cursed Child, please, for the love of god...
I think i forgot what happened in the last one. Still may catch it. But i wished they kept the movie around fantastic beasts, since you know the series is called Fantastic Beasts...
We need an HBO max series about Harry’s parents during the first war set in the 80s.
Written by Diane Duane.
Steve Kloves didn’t write Order of the Phoenix though. It was Michael Goldenberg.
Yep. I should’ve said “almost all the other movies” and I’ve been corrected
@@DanMurrellMovies No, you’re good. I actually didn’t know myself till last week when I rewatched all the Harry Potter/Fantastic Beasts films. I don’t think many people know this? I don’t blame anyone who doesn’t though. Love your reviews Dan!
Lol we are the darkest timeline...
I remember True Lies having similar writing credits. Screenplay by James Cameron based on a screenplay by a bunch of other people.
Saw this last night, agree, disjointed. I found it all over the place and pretty hollow, story wise. Love all the actors. It just wasn’t a good film.
colors are your friends!
the first hour was a snooze fest
I love Mads but I’m still sore about the way Depp was treated tbh.
I saw it last night. I thought their course correction worked. I liked it.
There had better be some fantastic beasts in it - I sued "the never-ending story" and I'll sue again.
You just saw the first scene Grindelwald.and Dumbledore , when he said i was in love with , I closed the Movie 🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
Over all I enjoyed this movie. But then. I also enjoyed Crimes of Grindelwald. But I do agree this whole series feels like it is only a build up to the great Dumbledore-Grindelwald battle of lore. I also agree I'm not sure it will go the 5-film distance. The way this one ended could be used as a finale, but I that would leave me feel ripped off if we don't get the Great Battle. My guess is they will do one more that will feature that battle; with perhaps an epilog/post-credit scene with the birth of Voldemort.
The movie was forgettable. I honestly only cared about Depp and Law in the second one. Once again I only cared about Mads and Law, but this time with Foglar. Foglar is one of the 3 i cared about in this movie. Everyone else was just a plot device, not used for story. Very forgettable movie. 4/10 only because Mads, Jude and Foglar
I could watch Jacob, Lolly, and Newt all day. If you haven't seen it yet "The Fantastic Masculinity of Newt Scamander" is a great take on Newt. ruclips.net/video/C4kuR1gyOeQ/видео.html
I mean I want to see more but better. I love the international Wizarding community. Show us more cultures. Maybe different cultures have different spells. I want to see Goblin vs Wizard trials and the formation of laws against creatures of near human intelligence. The world of giants. What is Wizarding like in America beside the bureaucracy we saw in the first movie. Yes of course Dumbledore and his secret love affair would be great but show us don’t tell us about Ariana because the story they told doesn’t make sense. Ariana was an Obcurial except they just explained in the first Fantastic Beast that Obcurials are witches who suppress their magic in order to escape persecution from muggles….except Ariana is from one of the greatest Wizarding families ever and her brothers both went to Hogwarts so why didn’t Ariana?? The change in story seems like a way to still save face with Dumbledore coming off as a bad guy for killing his sister….because it isn’t so hard if she was an Obcurial and was gonna die at a young age anyway
The problem with these films is they let Rowling be too involved. As she has shown with her continued HP lore that she talks about on her website and Twitter, the more she talks about the HP world outside of the books the worse it gets. For instance her trying to say the The Cursed Child is canon goes completely against the backstory that she had written in her main 7 books. I truly believe that if they had just kept her as a consultant and never let her be a screenwriter on these movies they would be a lot better. Wether they would have been about Newt Scamander or like Dan suggested and be a true prequel series about Dumbledore and Grendelwald.
American horror history asylum did also became a dark identity... I couldn’t watch any longer... until the name game song all of the sudden emerged. I’ve been wanting to watch this movie 🎥 but I feel like it feels more like soup opera.
If this franchise continues, then I think it really must end it with the great duel between Dumbledore and Grindelwald that led to his surrender and house arrest.
I don't think it's an exaggeration to claim that the promise of this duel is pretty much the only thing that keeps fans expectations up for this series.
There is a lot of unused potential and a few good ideas in this movie but no real payoff. Jude Law and Mads Mikkelsen have crazy good chemistry and definitely did their best with the few scenes they had, but with Warner Bros wanting to sell this to all international markets, it was clear from the beginning that they’ll explore this relationship in the vaguest terms possible.
At this point after three meandering movies I agree that it’s probably too late to save the franchise. Most movie-goers I know already skipped this one.
Fantastic beasts and the wait where the hell did all the beasts go.
I was just kinda bored. To many beige, boring people moping about. You can do magic , cheer the fuck up!!! I am english and i have never heard anyone talk like redmayne , even posh people must think he is a bit much
at this point kick J.K Rowling off the writer's table, just maybe use her ideas, and write a good screenplay.
The Harry Potter Franchise lost my good will at movie 6 when we detoured to attempt to burn down the Weasley's place. I had meant to check out the first Fantastic Beasts film, but it seams time has proven me wise.
At this rate they should just have a diff actor for grindle each movie and never explain it lol. Also how did they screw this up and it go so off the rails... they just had to copy what they did for the original series as that one worked so well... or they should have just called it the "wizarding world" movies instead of fantastic beast and just had a different one off story for each movie, do one on newt, one on Dumbledore, one on i duno quidditch or something, etc
I even found the first movie a dreary slog so I’d not even tried the last two… Pointless, poorly written and directed especially… Let this series die. , Just like Narnia! They eventually got the hint when the third Narnia movie flopped that no one was interested in it! just because they had the source material to adapt… Let it die and Move on!
So it is true... Jamie Campbell Bower did curse Grindelwald's character.
Ever since i played hogwarts legacy, i think the wizarding world movies needs a new director with a fresh new vision. David Yates the director of this film have been the director of the wizarding world movies ever since order of the Phoenix and his vision is getting bland and repetitive for me.
I was open minded about this one but man did it just feel messy and rushed and under-explained.
I'm pretty much over it, but I'm told we may be going just for Mads!
Does this movies explain how the new Dumbledore was born???
That's all I wan to know.
I've never seen a movie divide critics literally down the middle. It looks like audiences mostly enjoy the film, but I don't want to give money to J. K. Rowling so I'm probably going to wait on this one.
I kind of think it is funny, that most of the commentaries here think that the new Grindelwald is much better than the Jonny Depp played one, but in the commentary section of another (german) review most people think that Jonny Depps Grindelwald was so much better than this one, me included. I think that may be due to the fact that Jonny Depp is a very beloved actor here in Germany (I think I never met someone who does't love Jonny Depp and his acting).
Ps. In my first version I wrote Dumbledore instead of Grindelwald. Sorry for that.
He played Grinderwald, not Dumbledore. You made the mistake twice. Are you sure you saw the movie? :P
PS- I personally liked Mads' Grinderwald MUCH better. I found him more believable as a charsimatic leader (instead of a crazy one) and as an ex-love of Dumbledore.
@@Evy2526 I corrected the mistake. My thoughts still were with the story of Dumbledore, propably thats why I made the mistake.
I liked that Jonny Depp had this crazyness about him, I think that better suits to Dumbledore who also has (or should have, as Jude Law did not really bring out this aspect of Dubledore) this crazyness about him. Also I think that Jonny Depp played it also quite charismatic.
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Definitely not over the Wizarding World, I don't think I can ever be especially with a new RPG video game that's coming up. Harry Potter holds special place in my heart and I do love more of this Wizarding World cannot wait to see this in IMAX tomorrow! 😁
This movie was so uneventful and boring. I really wanted to like it.
Dont even know why these are still considered Fantastic Beasts movies as Newt and the Fantastic Beasts have clearly taken a backseat
I am completely indifferent to this series after that last film. I just don't care.
I am still a fan of this series and works building. I get they aren’t as magical as HP but I still enjoy the cast and characters plenty. Fair criticisms overall as always Mr. Murrell
Edit: typo writing criticism lol
This one is a course correction
I watching this planning to go watch it tomorrow anybody got recommendations?
Waterston got covid and couldnt shot scenes, Nagini actor got pregnant..
It is also so long the end scene where they celebrate and are happy is 20 min long
Ok, now Katherine Waterson is free to do more Alien!
Steve Kloves didn’t write Order of the Phoenix.
Isn’t the end point of dumbledore that… he always sucked? Like even after Gribdlewald left? He always used people and manipulated things.
Why do these movies feel like they want him to be the good guy we thought he was before we knew better? I dunno.
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It doesn’t feel like Harry potter
JKR poisoned the franchise for me.
This one definitely feels like the Rise of Skywalker of the Fantastic Beasts movies where they sort of undo some of the things that people liked less and that seems to tie certain beats up a little too neatly. I do think the biggest issue for me is that there is nothing I need to know about Dumbledore and Grindelwald. We know what's going to happen. We've seen their fates. I could watch a Dumbledore sends Newt on wacky adventures movies, but making it the Dumbledore and Grindelwald show doesn't really leave any surprises.
I enjoyed the first Fantastic Beasts film, I did not like the second one (except for some scenes with Depp, Law and Redmayne) and I'm pretty sure I'm not gonna watch this one. Yes, Mads is an incredible actor and I'm sure he's donea fantastic job, but what has been done to Depp just made me quit on this franchise. It's a mess that just keeps getting worse. Yates' aesthetic is boring at this point, specially for a world that's supposed to be filled with magic.
We can always re-read and re-watch the original Harry Potter series.
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I enjoyed the movie more than the 2nd installment, but that's about as positive as I can get. There were so many characters I barely knew that it was hard to keep track, so many disjointed scenes that didn't add anything, so much unnatural dialogue. Also: Dumbledore reveals exactly 0 secrets!
I'm still trying to understand what's the whole purpose of the Fantastic beasts series. They seem to add absolutely nothing.