Perle Nere - Operatic disasters - Part 2

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  • Опубликовано: 21 янв 2025

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  • @Applelline
    @Applelline 10 лет назад +206

    At last, someone who agrees with me about Netrebko.

  • @Sutherland2
    @Sutherland2 6 лет назад +78

    Much of this is right on target, I agree. But the Nicolai Gedda crack is SO rare. He spent 50 years at the top of his form. That clip is unfair. The rest of the trash deserve your scrutiny.

    • @martinposavec5255
      @martinposavec5255 5 лет назад +5

      Couldn't agree more.

    • @quequitoAR
      @quequitoAR 5 лет назад +6

      Totally agree here!!!!

    • @brookeggleston9314
      @brookeggleston9314 4 года назад +10

      Yes! Everyone can have an occasional bad night, and with Gedda, they were extremely rare!

    • @tecnicaantica
      @tecnicaantica 3 года назад +2

      According to some sources, he needed psychological therapy to recover…..

    • @jefolson6989
      @jefolson6989 3 года назад

      Gedda would have to have been deathly ill.

  • @colinreed1704
    @colinreed1704 4 года назад +10

    Madam Callas..every time you SANG you gave us a piece of your heart..thankz

  • @danielday-lewis7477
    @danielday-lewis7477 10 лет назад +134

    Netrebko the most overrated in last 50 years!! my God. SO TRUE!!

    • @tomostertag1995
      @tomostertag1995 5 лет назад +2

      Das stimmliche Können von Frau Callas wurde noch mehr überschätzt!

    • @phil2u48
      @phil2u48 5 лет назад +1

      100 years...really.

    • @madamedellaporte4214
      @madamedellaporte4214 5 лет назад +4

      Can't stand her. Overrated buffoon.

    • @xxsaruman82xx87
      @xxsaruman82xx87 4 года назад

      @@tomostertag1995 I don't think so: ruclips.net/video/7Xws7wKuc4w/видео.html

    • @BillyBoy442
      @BillyBoy442 8 месяцев назад

      She’s STINKO, that LA NETREBKO. Odious in fact.

  • @soundslikeblue
    @soundslikeblue 12 лет назад +106

    Some information missing here about the Callas' incident:
    Before that performance Callas told the Opera House management that she need to be replaced because she was sick, but they insisted that she had to perform saying "No one can Double Callas".
    When singing the first act, she felt that she was hurting her voice and that she couldn't complete the Opera, so she decided to go. And I totally understand her decision!
    Sadly the press blamed her, But she won the Lawsuit against the Opera House.

    • @LigeiaNoire
      @LigeiaNoire 3 года назад +10

      I admire her even more.

    • @soundslikeblue
      @soundslikeblue 3 года назад +9

      @@LigeiaNoire Me too. She was trully a professional and she gave it all for her craft - thus elevating her singing to honor the composer's Art! Thank you!

    • @nene1082
      @nene1082 2 года назад +8

      The Rome Opera House was truly at fault for this. They should have had a substitute in case anything happened to Maria.
      Number one rule in performing - in any performance, you need an alternate, maybe 2, because you don't know what's going to happen.

    • @luanllluan
      @luanllluan 2 года назад +1

      It is still unbelievable what happened that night. What a scandal! A woman gets sick. These Italians...

    • @neilbarnes7537
      @neilbarnes7537 2 года назад +9

      @@luanllluan she had given them everything, the best years of her singing life. She cancelled one performance and they turned on her like rabid wolves. They didn’t deserve her.

  • @terrietackett8964
    @terrietackett8964 7 лет назад +30

    When I hear these recordings of Villazon, it breaks my heart...

  • @giladrosenberg7575
    @giladrosenberg7575 12 лет назад +22

    As an aspiring opera singer. it does make you feel better to hear the great ones crack... Everytime a great one's voice cracks, an angel gets its wings!

  • @MrStpendouslvforjo
    @MrStpendouslvforjo 5 лет назад +24

    You say that no meanness was intended - lol - but some of the editorial comments WERE...
    Still - a fun video to watch.
    I have compassion for singers - their instrument is their BODY - and some days they just might not be well...though I agree that today's singers are probably pushing themselves right into vocal problems if they're not careful.
    I think the past generations were more carefully trained.

  • @MadonnaImperia
    @MadonnaImperia 9 лет назад +70

    I agree about Netrebko - she could have a whole video of her own with her disasters! One of the most horrific things I have ever heard is her attempt to sing "Casta Diva" in concert, an aria for which she doesn't ahve the correct technique and which it would appear she hadn't even bothered to learn either!

  • @kyleaustin7045
    @kyleaustin7045 6 лет назад +36

    I guess you've already known this, but Callas was actually sick at that point, and the Rome Opera House refused to prepare a cover soprano. Between giving a bad performance and just leaving with dignity, she made the right choice.

    • @BillyBoy442
      @BillyBoy442 8 месяцев назад +2

      Yes she did. Maria’s temperature had spiked 101o F. She needed rest, not NOT NORMA.

    • @danawinsor1380
      @danawinsor1380 6 месяцев назад +1

      Callas warned the management that she might not be able to sing the performance. Their response was: "Nobody understudies Callas." Ironically, they might have been able to get Anita Cerquetti, who sang the second night's performance, to appear on opening night.

  • @thesoubretteoftheopera7313
    @thesoubretteoftheopera7313 6 лет назад +52

    The Netrebko failure is the worst just due to ego. Why not sing the written Bb? There is nothing wrong with singing the score as written.

    • @machovoce6826
      @machovoce6826 3 года назад +3

      People paid $350 to hear the Eflat.

    • @ke3147
      @ke3147 3 года назад +6

      @@machovoce6826 That E flat is not in the original score.

    • @danawinsor1380
      @danawinsor1380 3 месяца назад

      @@ke3147 That's right. There's no shame in singing the music as written, regardless of whether the high note is expected or not.

  • @machovoce6826
    @machovoce6826 11 лет назад +71

    You are SO right about Netrebko. The Queen of Opera's Decline.

    • @MadonnaImperia
      @MadonnaImperia 11 лет назад +26

      I couldn't agree more. The woman has lovely raw material but mediocre technique and not enough humility towards music to choose roles that reflect her limited capabilities. I even read an interview with her years ago, where she said that she had accepted the role of Elvira in "I puritani" BEFORE reading the score - amazing!

    • @machovoce6826
      @machovoce6826 11 лет назад +12

      MadonnaImperia Good story. She "skated" over Puritani, although I think her Anna Bolena was even less successful. Lucia was a joke. I mean, in repertory that is right for her, she's very good, not great, but that's increasingly difficult to define. As for Gelb, he's just the Phil Spector of opera.

    • @MadonnaImperia
      @MadonnaImperia 10 лет назад +10

      She did indeed skate over Puritani - I saw a clip of her singing "Son vergin vezzosa", and she sang it in half voice, presumably to be able to manage the runs and scales - even though it wasn't sung particularly fast.

    • @basilmanolakos3839
      @basilmanolakos3839 5 лет назад +5

      I read in an Opera News Interview with NETREBKO that she intended to be A FRENI PURITAN and not a JOAN SUTHERLAND one! First of all, Miss Freni did not sing the role of Elvira. And what's wrong with singing like Dame Joan? I cannot take NETREBKO seriously! Sorry!

    • @carloslopez5766
      @carloslopez5766 5 лет назад +1

      Basil Manolakos Freni did sing I Puritani

  • @SymphonyBrahms
    @SymphonyBrahms 6 лет назад +35

    Callas was wise enough to know when she couldn't perform. She was ill that night and was persuaded to sing the first act against her better judgement. After she left the theater the opera couldn't continue because the management hadn't provided an understudy to sing her role. Which was very poor planning on their part.

    • @marcosmarin8930
      @marcosmarin8930 2 года назад +3

      She should have cancelled in the morning

  • @MrQbenDanny
    @MrQbenDanny 11 лет назад +3

    Great post Poli!!! I really enjoyed it!! I heard Sutherland hit emergency ambulance notes in Trovatore with Luciano and got ovation, go figure!! The Carreras broke my heart, I saw him at Met in Forza he was incredibly beautiful with soaring notes.

  • @cubanbach
    @cubanbach 12 лет назад +4

    This is a fascinating testament to the treachery of trying to sing when one is not probably prepared or in best form. I remember MY first performance when I was 11 years old. My voice cracked in front of half the school and all my teachers. They laughed - but I went on and finished the song. There was applause because I managed to regain my composure & finish the song. But - it was humiliating, humbling and it shaped and influenced the development of my shyness a long time. I got over it.

  • @AIWboojum
    @AIWboojum 6 лет назад +33

    Holy crap I cannot agree more about Netrebko!!!!!!

  • @fpngan
    @fpngan 11 лет назад +31

    Haha "Callas has left the building" Fucking callas.....my hero

  • @AfroPoli
    @AfroPoli  15 лет назад +39

    Netrebko is good for people who prefer to watch instead of listening. That's why she is here. I have her in a lot of disasters, including Rigoletto (Munich). She was simply terrible.

  • @clivepapayanis3121
    @clivepapayanis3121 9 лет назад +9

    I've been sanctimonious about reveling in operatic disasters, but this stuff is both hilarious and heart-wrenching...haven't laughed this hard in a while

  • @jasonhurd4379
    @jasonhurd4379 5 лет назад +17

    I love how, after Karan Armstrong's imitation of an ambulance siren as Salome, at 4:42 when Herodes sings 'Sie ist ein Ungeheuer, deine Tochter! Ich sage dir, sie ist ein Ungeheuer!' (She is a monster, thy daughter! I say to thee, she is a monster!), some audience members applaud his sentiments! 😂😂😂

    • @carsten8635
      @carsten8635 3 года назад +2

      Herodes ist der große Heldentenor Hans Beirer, schon in hohem Alter.

  • @SophiArtist
    @SophiArtist 9 лет назад +48

    Ok, some of these may be "disasters" as you call, BUT we MUST NOT forget that all of these singers of the video, has given to as moments of pure musical magic and we must have a respect..We must not forget that we are humans and singing opera is a very difficult and stressor profession..It is some how like running at the Olympic Games..I' am writing all this because many of the singers from your video have sang very beautifully subsequently to the mentioned dates of the video..Surely a singer must know when it is time to leave the stage, BUT, they are humans like us not gods!

    • @erichmayr7299
      @erichmayr7299 7 лет назад +4

      Sophia Papadimitropoulou the truth is ana netrebko once said "there are much better singers than me"... yes many singers dont want to give a b-job or sleep with other musicians to get roles! i call it the "modern way of prostitution"! shame on those Idiot non-musician people who think ana is the only unique opera singer! shame!!! shame!!! she is overrated but the majority will never unterstand a real talent! look how many clicks justin bieber has... look how many clicks rachmaninoff has...

    • @SophiArtist
      @SophiArtist 7 лет назад +3

      The video is not only about Netrebko and I didn't mentiond her. You did. And it's good to remember from time to time that ALWAYS WILL BE someome BETTER. This is a rule in life and very wisely Anna said that! My comment was about respect to all those people who have prove their devotion in opera and music, despite their bad moments. We all have! Now as concerns all the other you wrote, I know what you mean, that's why we should give our best to bring people in classical music but this doesn't mean that Bimber is not good on what he's doing...This is a long conversation..But as concerns me I'm doing my best in classical music!
      Sincerely

    • @MrStpendouslvforjo
      @MrStpendouslvforjo 5 лет назад

      Well said!

    • @vitabella6481
      @vitabella6481 7 месяцев назад

      Netrebko is awful, already for so many years. She has no class at all. Like Ricciarelli, both well known puttanas in the opera business.

    • @Michael-j5y9r
      @Michael-j5y9r 3 месяца назад

      perhaps you are right,bur anna netrebkos good singing is about 20 years ago!!!

  • @LigeiaNoire
    @LigeiaNoire 3 года назад +13

    There's singers like Callas that know what is good or bad for the voice and then there's Netrebko....

  • @10.6.12.
    @10.6.12. Год назад +3

    I was at the Villazone performance it was horrifying... HOWEVER people overlooked the miked Dessay ... why???

  • @Slaychelle
    @Slaychelle 10 лет назад +30

    I just can't with the heckling. It's one thing to BOO at the END of a performance but to shout out during the middle of someone singing is just BEYOND disrespectful and downright rude.
    It also defies logic. The stress and nerves of performing to a crowd that is shouting out hateful comments will not ease or relax the vocalist but do the complete opposite, thus making vocal mishaps more likely and frequent.

    • @PLDB27
      @PLDB27 9 лет назад +4

      +Slaychelle You are so right.... but those who've never been on stage don't have a clue about what stage performers - whether singers, dancers or musicians - can go through. Even professionals are human beings...!

    • @jasonhurd4379
      @jasonhurd4379 6 лет назад +10

      Slaychelle Remember that in Italy, opera is a blood sport, especially at La Scala, La Fenice, and elsewhere. The audiences in these opera houses have grown up with these works, imbibing them from infancy right along with mother's milk. Incompetence on the part of a performer is seen as a gross insult to the composer, and no quarter is given, not even for an 'off night'. On more than one occasion, an improperly prepared singer has been horrified to hear the entire audience singing the aria the way it's SUPPOSED to sound, rather than the way the singer was singing it. This is just a fact of life in Italy, and will most likely never change. Singers who do not wish to go up against the hard-to-please Italian public should not accept engagements in Italy.

    • @camillegreffe110
      @camillegreffe110 6 лет назад +1

      Teatro Real is in Madrid, Spain. But the Italian, Spanish and French people (especially older) can tend to have this kind of personality where they are shamelessly unafraid to express loudly that they are unhappy. I could only imagine as an artist how dreadful it must have been! But it's the sport, as you say ;)

  • @Agorante
    @Agorante 9 лет назад +23

    Just a little unfair. Calvin Marsh would have been the top baritone on any stage except he sang at the Met with Warren and Merrill. He would never have sung Tonio at the Met. He would have done Silvio. In any case he got bitten by the religion bug and quit to sing Gospel stuff. Gedda was fairly famous as the Duke - I had his LP album. of Rigoletto. But his voice was kind of 'high strung' It got away from him occasionally. Villazon is a mystery to me. What the hell happened? Oddly enough when he wrecked his voice and couldn't sing the standard repertory anymore he sang Mozart better than you would have thought possible. Better than Domingo or Pavarotti for example.
    Bonisolli criticism is also a bit unfair. He did act oddly at times but we never knew that he was singing with a brain tumor.

    • @Agorante
      @Agorante 8 лет назад +6

      We now know what went wrong with Villazon's voice. He had a congenital flaw on one of his vocal cords. A normal person who only spoke might go his whole life without noticing it. But a opera singer submits his cords extreme requirements. It had nothing to do with his vocal technique. In a similar story Arnold Schwarzenegger who was otherwise in real good shape had a congenital heart problem not discovered until he was over forty.

    • @Agorante
      @Agorante 5 лет назад +6

      It is now 2019 and we know about Villazon. Apparently he had a congenital growth on the underside of his vocal cords. Had he not been a singer there never would have been a problem but singing was too much and it became inflamed.

    • @missasinenomine
      @missasinenomine 4 года назад

      Yes. Gedda in Rigoletto with Reri Grist is superb. Both of them. Love it!

  • @AfroPoli
    @AfroPoli  12 лет назад +8

    Good. Listen to the mistakes the famous ones make and avoid them. Good luck.

  • @leblon2
    @leblon2 11 лет назад +26

    i think my favourite is when Sutherland was singing Traviata in Genoa and the tenor was booed several times during the performance: as a protest Sutherland left the stage and Bonynge left the podium...the opera finished with the same tenor and another conductor and a new soprano....I know I was there!

    • @luanllluan
      @luanllluan 2 года назад +2

      That must have been something!

    • @orion8835
      @orion8835 2 года назад +1

      Those two…hilarious. It does start to get under one’s skin when that booing happens and can undermine the performance. Undermine the support and focus.

  • @quequitoAR
    @quequitoAR 5 лет назад +12

    I like this "perle nere" series very much!!!! They're most educational, even for opera listeners. Thus said, let's put to work. First: it's very different a bad night (Gedda), than a bad technique or preparation (most others here). Second: a professional singer MUST KNOW if a role suits his/her voice or not; THAT is a natural consequence of vocal technique an repertory studies. Third: audiences express themselves as they please, comes with the job; otherwise, go back home and sing for your friends (they always cheer you up). Addendum: I fail to guess which role is suitable for Netrebko, not involving boobs display; dramatic roles such as Turandot? Has anyone hear THAT THING?????

    • @robert111k
      @robert111k 3 года назад

      After reading your comment I've decided to look for new friends 😞

  • @oldoperafan_in_London
    @oldoperafan_in_London 12 лет назад +3

    A very funny and truly opera-loving series. Spot on about... and ... (no names).

  • @borisvonderlinde5184
    @borisvonderlinde5184 7 лет назад +74

    ...poor Villazon. He had such a beautiful voice.

    • @Monnarchmonnarchy
      @Monnarchmonnarchy 5 лет назад +3

      He sings like a dog now, what happened? On this record here, he had a real good voice!

    • @Xersex2009
      @Xersex2009 5 лет назад +3

      uno stupido che l'ultima cosa che sa fare è cantare.

    • @skykill9734
      @skykill9734 4 года назад +3

      @@Monnarchmonnarchy he had a surgery for a problem in one of his vocal chord. That's why he lost his voice

    • @jefolson6989
      @jefolson6989 3 года назад

      His is rehabilitated!

    • @mariod7473
      @mariod7473 3 года назад

      @@skykill9734 ok then become a butcher or something....leave the stage.

  • @vitabella6481
    @vitabella6481 7 месяцев назад

    Sehr unterhaltsam! Ich habe schon sehr lange nicht mehr so gelacht!! 🤣🤣🤣 danke dafür! Die Oper, ein Zoo voller Leidenschaften! 🤣🤣

  • @rma8983
    @rma8983 9 лет назад +50

    Totally agree with u! Anna is so overrated. Probs because of her looks

  • @antoninotrotta3851
    @antoninotrotta3851 9 лет назад +1

    what's the aria at 1:34?

  • @frufruJ
    @frufruJ 15 лет назад +1

    Thank you, kiepura1902. I subscribe to every word! "Poiche noi siam uomini di carne e d'ossa"

  • @batabid95
    @batabid95 3 года назад

    1:39 what’s the name of that aria ?

  • @yvettebracefield6270
    @yvettebracefield6270 5 лет назад +11

    The shouted comments during the opera are just like RUclips comments live.

  • @rothvinbosley1335
    @rothvinbosley1335 7 лет назад +12

    Maybe Netrebko could have found another way to end this opera? I do not think that she is a soprano with the natural range to sing this material. They need to have teachers who will help them select material that is appropriate for them to sing. She is a very sad case. She tries to sing everything like a Callas. Even Callas was unable to keep her voice 100% of the time for 15 to 20 years. 200 years ago, most singers only lasted for 15 years or less.

  • @ipercalisse579
    @ipercalisse579 5 лет назад +5

    I'm Italian, and to me it sounds like he saying "c'è una pausa del maestro, qui. Puccini!" = Here it follows a pause by maestro Puccini.... So the tenor is claiming a rest that was not done, because nobody was applauding and orchestra went on.. but people is commenting something like "what? He wanted the pause to get applauded... show off!!!" And I believe the tenor really meant to get that applause in that rest time.

  • @MicahandModesta
    @MicahandModesta 10 лет назад +1

    Does anyone know if Nicola Gedda had laryngitis? It just seems odd to me that a lyric tenor would struggle with this role.

    • @magnusmalm1818
      @magnusmalm1818 10 лет назад

      ***** He wasn´t ill, just out of touch at the time - it was a mental thing...

  •  11 лет назад +34

    omg, Villazon is such a sad case indeed

  • @grafplaten
    @grafplaten 6 лет назад +9

    "Sie ist ein Ungeheuer, deine Tochter..." ("She's a monster, your daughter...") and the audience applauds in agreement....

  • @xEricTheGothx
    @xEricTheGothx 14 лет назад

    wht was wrong with karan armstrong's performance cuz i couldnt hear wht the problem was, can anyone tell me?

  • @janejones11
    @janejones11 16 лет назад +7

    This is really a divide between great singers who had a genuine off night ( Pav, Gedda, Bergonzi) and those singers whose problems are caused by impaired techniques ( Alagna, Villazon, Netrebko)..

  • @SymphonyBrahms
    @SymphonyBrahms 3 года назад +4

    Gone are the giants like Callas, Sutherland, Nilsson, Bjorling, and Corelli. The giants are gone. Today we only have pygmies.

  • @shadowdog1977
    @shadowdog1977 10 лет назад +10

    Oh my goodness! Villazon's cough at 2:05!! That poor man. But way to soldier on! So glad his voice seems to be healed up. He sounds wonderful in Mozart these days. Glad he's back!

  • @muhchung
    @muhchung 10 лет назад +13

    I have a more extended excerpt of Netrebko's Lucia at the Met (circulating at the time). That was really bad. Well... Fortunately she has made some improvements recently, at least according to some excerpts I listened to.
    The American audience usually is quite polite (maybe too polite, according to George Szell) and will not boo, but I do enjoy the "interactions" heard in this clip. Wish we have a clip of the premiere of Le Sacre in Paris back in 1913.

  • @arnaudrcs
    @arnaudrcs 10 лет назад +81

    i agree when you say netrebko is probably the most overrated singer of the last 50 years

    • @orion8835
      @orion8835 10 лет назад

      Netrebko is a very strong singer. But she like MANY in the biz are overrated these days. Neytebko..well.. Especially as she seems to do everything.But she is sound in many roles.

    • @orion8835
      @orion8835 10 лет назад +2

      It's a tough biz. The expectation. It is amazing what a dark lyric soprano is pressured into these days.

    • @AfroPoli
      @AfroPoli  10 лет назад +9

      Daniel Raphael That's true. However, she should know better.

    • @orion8835
      @orion8835 10 лет назад +3

      well its a crap shoot with performers these days. They often are just under way too much pressure and unsuitable roles all in attempt to be well universally appealing at everything. And then there are the personal issues and stresses and such. Netreb is a dark lyric soprano. Live she is less dramatic than on recording make her out to be and the voice is less high. Its all pressure..one sees it all the time with the tenorinos also strained or limited by rossini trying to do more.. It's a business. They are people too of course. But people do pay the ticket. And this is the problem.

    • @AfroPoli
      @AfroPoli  10 лет назад +14

      Manoli Stavrinakis I would NEVER sing a role on stage if I do not have the range the role requires. You find out practising at home whether you have the range or not. If you do experiments on stage, then you are no professional and insult the composer and the public likewise. At home, she should have a rock solid E before attempting parts that require Eb...

  • @simonkawasaki4229
    @simonkawasaki4229 4 года назад +5

    Loved the “oh-hoho” after Bonisolli made that incredibly ridiculous comment

  • @iraklijanashia5567
    @iraklijanashia5567 3 года назад +1

    Wish to be witness of Maria Callas leaving "Rome Opera House after act two of Norma in 1958" :) this would be much much more memorable and thrilling experience for me than what I am witnessing now in opera house :) Unfortunately nobody from the cast is leaving, I do, quite often.

  • @commandert5
    @commandert5 7 лет назад +1

    7:42 What on Earth had caused her to leave?

  • @100Singers
    @100Singers 6 лет назад +1

    What is the source/performance of the Gedda failure in Rigoletto?

    • @RaphaClassic
      @RaphaClassic 5 лет назад

      This singer sings the aria quite differently than Gedda does, it actually doubt it is him

    • @juliogonzalezcampayo3201
      @juliogonzalezcampayo3201 4 года назад

      Ocurrió en el Liceo de Barcelona. Gedda era ya muy mayor, se disgustó mucho y no quiso salir a saludar, aunque el público lo reclamaba con aplausos.

  • @edgardo8459
    @edgardo8459 3 года назад

    7:41 What is announced is "Per cause di forza maggiore la rappresentazione è sospesa": Due to a greater issue the performance was suspended, something like that. Also here 2:21, the man shouts something like "Was tust du, Mutter?" (What are you doing, mum?) - I can't hear it very clearly, but he is evidently not saying "absolutely unacceptable". I don't understand why you would write something different from what is being said as a subtitle.

    • @AfroPoli
      @AfroPoli  3 года назад

      My friend, that's: unzumutbar! Trust me, he doesn't talk to his mom. And forza maggiore is being called out because Callas had left. There was no tsunami or power blackout or anything of the likes. So, what's your friggin point?

    • @edgardo8459
      @edgardo8459 3 года назад

      Unzumutbar! That is not what I had heard. Thank you very much. I still disagree concerning the Callas one though; one understands the subtitles as a translation of what is being said, but I get your point.

    • @AfroPoli
      @AfroPoli  3 года назад

      @@edgardo8459 Ma si figuri... this is hard to understand German, and you won't get it unless you are a native speaker. And please disagree. It's an old video, and I myself am not entirely happy with it. Thanks for watching!

    • @edgardo8459
      @edgardo8459 3 года назад

      It's a fun video nonetheless, like the other parts, thanks for making them!

  • @willworkforwages
    @willworkforwages 10 лет назад +4

    I've not followed Villazon's career but have often heard operaphiles express disappointment and even disgust that he avoids climatic high notes and transposes the original keys downward by as much as a third. Such comments are posted frequently on You Tube. People like his voice but not his singing.

  • @AfroPoli
    @AfroPoli  16 лет назад +7

    No, you are wrong. There is only one C (not "Cs" as you write): on ar-DEN-te. Not on "ar-DEN-TE-D'A-MOR" (Bonisolli version). Quite a difference.

  • @tenoregermania
    @tenoregermania 15 лет назад +6

    Haha, I love all this stuff. Yes, indeed, half of Netrebko's career is based on her looks. European audiences also seem to be a lot more critical than audiences in North America.

  • @baritoneblazzin1965
    @baritoneblazzin1965 4 года назад +3

    Wow this is really something! lol. It would have been something to hear the infamous performance of Leontyne Price's terrible Minnie in La fanciulla del West performance, where she had to yell her part out because her voice had gone out lol

  • @commandert5
    @commandert5 7 лет назад

    5:21 Why do they boo even more after he does manage to hit it?

  • @morganchan2465
    @morganchan2465 7 лет назад +10

    Callas does made a scandal, but she leave a GREAT legacy ~ She actually made good decision. BTW, Netrebko, why, why she is still on stage -,- Make no sense ~ And you know how bad taste people are nowadays

    • @basilmanolakos3839
      @basilmanolakos3839 5 лет назад +6

      Callas was wise. She had caught the flu. She was in NO condition to sing NORMA with a temperature of 101. She tried to sing the First Act but her voice wasn't responding so she decided that it was best for her to throw in the towel and go home and rest. The Rome Opera Mgmt. should have had a 'cover' - Maria had warned them in advance that she was NOT feeling well and they dismissed her warning.

  • @AfroPoli
    @AfroPoli  11 лет назад +16

    And that's definitely not an alternative. What happens when you go to a restaurant and they serve you rotten food? Do you eat it politely, compliment the chef and give lots of tip? I guess not.

  • @Milordvega
    @Milordvega 16 лет назад

    Maria Callas , larger than life!
    What a pazzo, that Bonisolli. Do you also have one presentation of Il Trovatore in Barcelona, where after he cracks on the (interpolated) high C's of "All'armi!" in "Di Quella Pira" at the end of the Act, and the audience is not giving him a big ovation during the curtain calls, he suddenly for no reason sings a high C just to show he can do it ?!?!?! Gigione!

  • @YadaiDelacruz
    @YadaiDelacruz 9 лет назад +4

    las personas que gritan que se callen o que es mierda (POR FAVOR!) deberían de subirse a un escenario para cantar ante tanta multitud, expectativa y estrés. Qué cobarde el estar sentado rodeado de gente y gritar cómodamente tanta porquería y mediocridad, (sabe que enfrente nadie se enteraría de quién se trata). Los cantantes no son máquinas, deben de entender que a veces tienen días malos, a veces hay malas rachas. Y pese a quien le pese, el hecho de estar pisando un escenario así, es un privilegio y por algo se está allí ..

  • @gayoperadude63
    @gayoperadude63 10 лет назад +12

    It's an Eb not and E and she is under pitch. for sure

    • @AfroPoli
      @AfroPoli  9 лет назад +7

      Mary Valletta Very true. If you have to sing an F on stage you ought to have a solid F#. Set Svanholm sang the entire role of Lohengrin a half note higher when rehearsing just to be sure that he'd nail it on stage...

  • @JennaDelVirgo
    @JennaDelVirgo 11 лет назад +14

    As a vocalist I find this comforting to know that the great singers are still human like me. However I find it shocking that the audience is yelling at them, and frankly as a singer that would make me feel even more horrible. Can't we all just support each other? Yes, mistakes are made, now move on

  • @jefolson6989
    @jefolson6989 6 месяцев назад

    This is THE BEST Calvin Marsh ever sounded!

  • @runhardhooah
    @runhardhooah 14 лет назад

    @VivaRenata
    I thank you kindly for adding to my small knowledge of opera history, something which I am aiming to expand, for I am a studying bass singer and have come to really enjoy opera. I have known Callas was an opera great, have heard that she has also been criticized with having a wobble in her voice at the top of her range, but did not know of this incident where she walked off the stage. Quite intriguing I must say. I imagine she only gained more respect by doing so.

  • @Agorante
    @Agorante 16 лет назад +1

    We remember Reggie Jackson (Mr. October) for his many clutch home runs not for his strike outs even though he set and still holds the strike out record.
    I've heard Pavarotti crack live, and Domingo, and Merritt, and McCracken. Perform enough and sing high enough and some SOB will collect your cracks.
    I first heard the Gedda crack recording twenty years ago. Netrebko reminds me of Moffo - who also missed a lot of high notes.
    Most of these missed high notes are not in the score.

  • @AfroPoli
    @AfroPoli  15 лет назад +1

    Thanks. Actually, the "pazzo, pazzo" you hear is Bonisolli speaking in German. He says: "trocken, trocken, Waser, Wasser!" (dry, dry, water, water) while some people are booing.

  • @cevicentevideos
    @cevicentevideos 5 лет назад +8

    Though it's always fun to see/hear operatic train wrecks, these things are normal in live performances, and happened to all singers. The danger of something wrong happening is one of the exciting things about live performance, but the most exciting is the wonderful music by the great masters they perform onstage. A fantastic operatic performance is never perfect-as perfection isn't an option. Cracks and mistakes happen regardless of good or bad technique (or what an untrained opera aficionado may think is technique).

  • @Andi6205
    @Andi6205 16 лет назад +1

    Thank you! Great idea and very interesting. Only one thing: Bonisolli in Hamburg was not complete, you cut it so that the end is missing. I was there and recorded it too.

  • @lylecosmopolite
    @lylecosmopolite 11 лет назад +4

    Joan Sutherland was a stateswoman. Plus she had Australian common sense and decency. Even Luciano was in awe of her.

  • @flaviofaccia6135
    @flaviofaccia6135 10 лет назад +39

    3.08-3.40. After that I need two hours of Dame Sutherland to purify my ears.

  • @Milordvega
    @Milordvega 16 лет назад +6

    Oh yes that Bonisolli must have been fun and he was the first tenor I heard, as I saw on TV this 60's movie of La Traviata which Bonisolli with Anna Moffo (much better than Netrebko!).
    As for Domingo, no apology needed. He is a great tenor but more for the overall musicality and versatility and not for pure beauty of voice and singing ability. Of all great tenors in world history, he had the least impressive high register, though in zarzuela music, his high A's and B's could be good. Thanks!

  • @sssss89219
    @sssss89219 13 лет назад

    @Drelnis
    I really dont think so, cause in 2009 they broke up already, and Villazon got depression from that, how will they sing together again ???

  • @lxr0913
    @lxr0913 15 лет назад +2

    Actually, Netrebko had the same problem at the aria "addio" in the famous Salzburg Traviata DVD

  • @SilfredoSerrano
    @SilfredoSerrano 11 лет назад +2

    I have to disagree that the Duke is not for Gedda. This was a very late recording. He was quite good in his earlier years. This recording is after 1980 where he had been singing for over 30 years!

  • @gesaporiti
    @gesaporiti 5 лет назад

    Dear Afro poli: have the whole performance of salome with karan armstrong? I have another evening from this same production (1982), but in this performance nobody booed her. I want this yours where she's booed because i love perle nere jajaj Regards. Gus.

    • @AfroPoli
      @AfroPoli  5 лет назад +1

      I don't, but I know the guy who has (and who recorded it). I doubt it ever got shared.

  • @davidrichie9570
    @davidrichie9570 2 года назад +1

    The main problem with Bonisolli's high C in the Turandot is that he's ahead of the orchestra. Singing a high C that' is not written is hardly a cardinal sin in Italian opera. However, I think what he says is "E la causa del maestro qui. M'uccidi." I think that may mean "It's the maestro's fault. He's killing me."

    • @AfroPoli
      @AfroPoli  2 года назад

      That's a new one! I always thought he said È la pausa del maestro qui, Puccini! Whatever it is... his Cs do clash harmonically.

    • @davidrichie9570
      @davidrichie9570 2 года назад

      They clash harmonically because he’s ahead of the orchestra.

    • @AfroPoli
      @AfroPoli  2 года назад

      @@davidrichie9570 No, look at the accompaniment… you can’t simply sit on the C here.

    • @user-zz9su5sn6v
      @user-zz9su5sn6v Месяц назад

      He says something like "L'applauso del Maestro: Puccini", which roughly translates to "the applause is for Puccini", which is a bit ironic considering the fact that he interpolated a fuck load of Cs.

  • @jamesryan6008
    @jamesryan6008 10 месяцев назад

    As a lifelong Nicolai Gedda fan, my ears couldn't believe what they heard.

  • @Operacrazed
    @Operacrazed 6 лет назад +4

    As regards Rolando Villazon. Please can we remember he had health problems and I think surgery for nodules. I am sure he was as dissapointed by failed high notes etc as we are.

    • @buddys_dad
      @buddys_dad 3 года назад +3

      He didn’t get those modules without trying. Overparted and oversung.

    • @cliffgaither
      @cliffgaither 2 года назад +1

      @@buddys_dad :: Yes ! You're right ! He definitely "over-sung" throughout his career, but the reason for that was his emotional involvement with his characters. I've never heard a tenor so vocally-dramatic in Baroque Music. His Baroque interpretations were truly outstanding.

  • @johnwallace9792
    @johnwallace9792 12 лет назад +3

    OMG, Villazon's stunned silence was hilarious!

    • @chriggsiii
      @chriggsiii 3 года назад +1

      Interesting sense of humor. I thought it was sad.

    • @radames5855
      @radames5855 3 месяца назад

      È meglio quando sta in silenzio che quando canta...😂

  • @euroarias2301
    @euroarias2301 9 лет назад +5

    Pienso que seria bueno discutir con un equipo multidisciplinario foniatras otorrinos maestros de canto....que paso en cada uno de esos momentos vocales desde el punto de vista técnico.....y sacar provecho de cada uno de esas situaciones en cuanto a tecnica del canto

  • @chris99103
    @chris99103 15 лет назад +1

    It should be mentioned that Callas walkoff was not because of a performing or voice problem.
    As far as I remeber she was very sick. The press made a huge story out of that but her only fault was that she did not read the apology note to the audience which Meneghini wrote for her .

  • @machovoce6826
    @machovoce6826 11 лет назад +5

    Couldn't agree more with your assessment of Netrebko. She's filling in nicely for the troubled shoes of other overrated marquis singer, Dessay.
    As for the Met audience, it's a pop audience now. No one need say more.

  • @KathrynARyder
    @KathrynARyder 12 лет назад

    THANK YOU!!!! It is about time that someone told the TRUTH about Anna Netrebko!!!!! You were so right!!

  • @elizabeths4371
    @elizabeths4371 2 года назад

    I'd often wondered if such situations had ever occurred and if so, what were the results, and now I know

  • @magnusmalm1818
    @magnusmalm1818 10 лет назад +8

    Denouncing Villazon´s stellar performances as being worse than Gedda´s operatic apocalypse is probably going it a bit. However, I wouldn´t hesitate to label sweet Ms Netrebko the most overrated singer of the last 50 years...

  • @Dunstlookalike
    @Dunstlookalike 5 лет назад

    I don't think all of these are "DISASTERS!". The first guy quickly hits the C and lowers his voice fast enough before he can crack and make it obvious that it's stained. That's a good save, IMO.
    Calvin Marsh strained on that high note, but he definitely made up for it at 0:48. The sound was so beautiful and resonate it almost didn't sound human! Gorgeous rich voice.
    I'm no fan of Netrebko (I think she's average and made her tone too artificially dark in recent years), but that certainty was not a disaster in any shape or form. Mediocre? Yes. Terrible? I don't think so, at all.
    Bonisolli is a show-off and certainly a showman, but those high Cs were gorgeous. No disaster there? Maybe just a lack of taste and refinement.

  • @dracorpgroup
    @dracorpgroup 10 лет назад +7

    Is there a reason why champion figure skaters who get up and continue are cheered while great opera singers are laughed and booed off the stage for one small error even when they continue? Can someone explain that please?

    • @AfroPoli
      @AfroPoli  10 лет назад +6

      Opera is not sport.
      And singers usually don't get booed off the stage, quite the opposite.

    • @dracorpgroup
      @dracorpgroup 10 лет назад +2

      Your having taken the time to respond is very much appreciated. True. opera is not sport but that was not my point, not even in an oblique reference.
      There are many, many examples of even the greatest opera singers being trounced by the audience for a mistake, even Luciano Pavarotti and others of equal stature. The first performance of Swan Lake was bombed and attacked by almost everyone at the time.
      Sadly, I still feel that my search for an answer continues. Thanks again.

    • @Jacob-ry3lu
      @Jacob-ry3lu 7 лет назад +7

      L.P. Pacelli I think it has to do with the fact that figure skaters are performing their own routine that they themselves took months and even years to create. The audience is judging something they've never seen before. On the other hand, opera is hundreds of years old, every opera fan has heard the famous operas many times over again with some of the greatest singers. So when a singer cracks on a high note, the audience instantly boos because they have all heard other singers sing the exact same piece and sing it beautifully. Also, these singers are singing greatly respected music, some people think its an insult to sing Verdi or Puccini in a sloppy way.

    • @joanlovett1854
      @joanlovett1854 6 лет назад

      L.P. Pacelli b/

  • @kevinmark2146
    @kevinmark2146 3 года назад +3

    Watching Franco Bonisolli live was like Russian roulette… either he nails it out of the park and wows everyone with his high notes or he doesn’t have them that evening and you can expect an awkward evening of tenor ego and drama! lol. When he was on point, he is my second favourite tenor of all time, but he does have a HUGE “fail” highlight real” lol. Too bad the nickname “il pazzo” stuck with him because of this. The man had the voice of a god when he was locked it.

  • @septichka
    @septichka 15 лет назад

    thx for videos man,seeing great fail gives us some confort...and people booing and commenting,well,what the hell do they know? only thing they understand is high and loud...the ones that realy understand singers ( their techique and hard work,people that have some "music in them") will NEVER comment out loud during the opera. its just stupid imho

  • @roweman2
    @roweman2 12 лет назад +1

    I have to say, if I were in a theater where Maria Callas were performing and she left half way through, I would not be a happy camper either.

  • @danawinsor1380
    @danawinsor1380 6 месяцев назад

    Callas tried to convince the management of the Rome Opera to engage an understudy because she knew she might not be able to finish the opening night performance (due to her illness). Apparently the response was, "Nobody understudies Callas." What resulted was the public relations disaster which Callas had tried to avoid. Callas weathered the onslaught of hostile and insulting publicity. Ironically, Anita Cerquetti, who filled in for Callas on the second night, might have been able to fill in on opening night. It would have caused negative publicity, but nothing like the vitriol one reads and/or hears in the various books and documentaries.

    • @danawinsor1380
      @danawinsor1380 3 месяца назад

      P.S.: Anita Cerquetti was a great prima donna in her own right. She made her operatic debut as "Aida" in 1951 at the age of 20. During the next several years she performed the dramatic roles in Ernani, Nabucco, Guglielmo Tell, I Vespri Siciliani, Amelia in Un ballo in Maschera, and of course Norma. She retired in 1961 at the age of 30!

  • @allenjones3130
    @allenjones3130 2 года назад +1

    Anything can go wrong during a live opera performance.

  • @ВикторАлександровский-м9к

    Gedda its great tenor, but but like any other person, a singer or singer may not be healthy. Those people who have never stepped on the stage can not imagine how stressful it is and how not a healthy singing apparatus can fail in the performance, even taking into account the fact that you have an outstanding vocal technique, like Gedda’s

  • @LordMgls
    @LordMgls 11 лет назад

    I'm sorry, but you are not the trolling master. Those were the guys from Aida and Salome - the real trollmeisters!! They really made me laugh! Thank you for uploading these pearls. I wonder if you could post some more recordings of 'opera gone wild'? The only other I know about is Sutherland's Traviata walkout in Italy, which is already on YT! Thanks!!

  • @ferociousgumby
    @ferociousgumby 8 лет назад

    I am amazed how forgiving some of these audiences are. Surely at La Scala they are much more honest, which I agree with. Hey, you're out there on the high wire. . . you've trained all your life to do this. . .

  • @ElisabettaVS
    @ElisabettaVS 15 лет назад

    Thank you for the prompt answer. Do you know which performance it was?
    I just thought that she was barracked by the audience and therefore left.

  • @3miliangui
    @3miliangui 9 лет назад +2

    Artists, they are human too, having bad days or bad health conditions. On the other side, I don't think haters are human...

  • @ElisabettaVS
    @ElisabettaVS 15 лет назад

    I don't understand what happened with Callas, she left the opera house, but why? Sorry, I don't get it, please help me out.

  • @Beth29252
    @Beth29252 13 лет назад +2

    I don't think Marsh singing Si Puo was that bad actually, the Ab needed more power but the tone and voice are great. Gedda and Villazon however were painful, and Netrebko's E flats were at least a semitone flat. The Aida clip is hilarious.