Titus vs LTT - Simple Tasks on Linux
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- This breaks down all the simple tasks that Linus and Luke did in Linux. I also show more advanced ways to complete the tasks faster to make you a better user!
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It should be pointed out that I have been a lifelong Windows user. I only started using Linux desktop in 2018 as a response to a snarky youtube comment when I started. If you want to see the worst video series on youtube here was my first 30 days on Linux... ruclips.net/video/7Qrg_QIwxxc/видео.html
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Make "Mouse only Linux" challenge - we'll see is there 3 years difference;)
The cool thing about loading fonts via command line is thats is mega fast if you know the commands.
The uncool thing about loading fonts via command line is that it's mega slow if you don't remember the commands and need to google the procedure first.
That's terminal in a nutshell 😉
just like people said
best part of linux is we can do everything on the terminal
worst part of linux is we have to know what command to use in the terminal to be able to do said everything
But if you don't know how to add fonts full stop and have to google the procedure either way, copy/pasting to the terminal is much faster than following a GUI walk-through.
You can make an alias for the command or simple script
@@katrinabryce No walkthrough at all on GUI would be best. Windows for example: WIN > "fonts" will arrive at a super easy GUI interface to load and edit fonts.
Most of you completely missed the point presented near the beginning of the video. Doing anything through the terminal and not having a seamless, intuitive GUI alternative, will never allow Linux to gain traction as a mainstream OS for daily driving. Imagine a new person knowing what Dolphin even is. You all are only proving more and more that Linux has no business being in the mainstream space as a daily driver, and why mainstream software development for Linux will probably never take off. I appreciate that Chris did mention he's doing this from a server admin perspective, but that's not most people.
You dropped this 👑
This exactly my thoughts.
I get that Linux is presented as a drop in replacement for Windows, but it really isn't in my eyes. It's a wonderful operating system, but to truly appreciate it, you can't use it like Windows.
"Imagine a new person knowing what Dolphin even is", like, seriously, your average Joe would be *completely* lost using KDE with those un-intuitive names that just try to be different for the sake of being different.
Chris is using a custom enviroment, most people will use Ubuntu or something also user friendly, Linux is at the point where average users will be fine, only gaming which is also a common use case has problems.
The real problem is marketing, most people don't even know Linux exists in the first place.
But it doesn't hurt to show terminal workflows as-well.
@@ChrisTitusTech it's sad, though, because shouldn't it be fairly "easy" to put together a build of Linux that solves these issues? How is there no distro that is purely focused on being the first step from Windows?
I thought Linus and Luke did a great job as beginners. To be fair, Luke is on the easier distribution. Linux Mint is easier to use. Mint has a printscreen program built in, just hit printscreen button and save or shift+printscreen for specific area. Mint loads printers automatically, you don't have to install. Mint has great software support, Luke just needed to stay with the sowftware center. Beginners are not going to use CLI. Mint's Celluloid is awesome and hardware accelerated. SMP or mvp do not use hardware acceleration like Celluloid. Mint has startup programs application.
Mint is my go to for beginners (if they aren't *just* gaming like my brothers) for this and the stability
My first Linux experience was a Thinkpad with Mint set up by an old IT guy I got to know. Now I’m a Debian + XFCE guy living happily without Windows or Mac where I can avoid them.
I use Linux Mint to teach new users how to Linux. It is perfect for this. As a Linux user, I use Debian + Cinnamon DE. Chris Titus, Derek Taylor (Distrotube) and myself are commercial sponsors of Linux Mint.
So does KDE. But linus seems to behave like the first time you use kde, doesn't know that if you move a file it will open a context menu to move / copy or a shortcut file, it doesn't know about the kde progress bar.
I think Haruna with QT has acceleration
Yeah, I get the point Linus is trying to make. The normal desktop user is never going to want to use the terminal. The only time they even see the terminal is when IT support comes along to do something and they just look on in awe, amazement and fear. The regular desktop user has no interest in knowing how stuff works under the hood. They simply want to click and use.
I think its kind of interesting. I think GUI are great but sometimes not for all tasks. Like when I need to look up a tutorial just to find where to click one button because its 5 menus deep clicking when I can look up a one liner and hit run. But like I would never want to edit a photo without a GUI.
Sure, but you cant use a gui for everything, what will you do when your DE breaks and you need to use the shell to repair your pc?
@@IModzStuff isn't that the entire point? Your Desktop on windows can't break (at least not like a DE on Linux does), so if Linux should be a viable alternative to windows (I'm not saying it has to be), then situations like that would need to be prevented.
I'm quite okay with using terminal but I'd much prefer not having too, unless absolutely necessary.
I simply cannot remember commands enough for it to be efficient and it just disrupts the workflow of whatever I'm trying to do on.
@@MurdochBuy If we're honest, this is most of us. I'm an IT professional and most of the time I need to look up commands because it has been a long time since I last used them. This UX is slower than an intuitive GUI.
You did everything with terminal, but the main problem is that the normal user don't want to use terminal, GUI is must the normal user.
you know this is not a nooby guide
True but linus doesn't want to be a normal user but he is also being salty about the terminal. He just needs to learn more about the software on his system.
@@M1America It's all well and good saying he "just needs to learn" but the whole point of the series Linus and Luke are doing is approaching Linux from the perspective of the average user and most users don't want an OS that comes with homework and hours of forum reading for a handful of pretty basic user functions and comes back to what Pulkit said above; normal users want to use GUI, those coming from Windows, at least. The Apple market proves there are plenty of people who want something that "just works". Windows and MacOS are far from perfect but if anyone wants to claim Linux as the best OS then it needs to accommodate those people too and it's a pretty normal fact of life that people are more comfortable when they can see what they're doing hence why the average user is the sort of person who goes to a folder, right-clicks a file, left-clicks "copy"/"cut", navigates to their intended destination, right-clicks again and left-clicks "paste". That's their comfort zone and dragging someone out of their comfort zone is about the furthest possible thing from being user friendly.
This video was supposed to show how you can do it another way, the original video already shows how an average user would do it.
a VUI is simpler for more people even compared to the GUI, but some tasks are better in a GUI or CLI.
The fact that you have to pull up a terminal everytime is the reason why they did this challenge and also the reason why normal people hate Linux. Luckily, I found Zorin and it is gold!
I am new to Linux, I am running KDE Plasma and I must say I am loving this whole series from Linus and Luke's videos, and your follow up videos. I have saved them all to my Linux playlist, and after going through these videos I have answers to things in Linux that I did not think I would find a solution for, plus I get a "what not to do" and "what to do" if a particular issue comes up that I have not encountered yet.
I think one of the best resources for learning more about Linux would be the arch wiki. There are a page on recommended applications and how to maintain a linux system, which should apply to any distros and not only Arch Linux. Highly recommended you to checkout if you want to learn more about Linux!
@@hauphan917 Will do, thank you for the information!
Absolutely! The Pacman Rosetta stone page one that wiki is useful now better which distro you use!
This really felt like it was a "How to do everything in terminal" video I appreciate how fast everything runs that way but can never see myself using it. I appreciate seeing both sides though.
A lot of people commenting that Chris shouldn't be showing people how to do tasks in terminal because "that's not how the average users does it". Yeah, no, but there's no harm in showing a different approach either. For people willing to learn something new, this video will be a valuable resource. For those who aren't, they can just use the GUI as usual. We can have the best of both worlds, people, they're not mutually exclusive here.
Yeah I see this as in "how they actually expect you to do it". Even if its not user friendly its informative to know where Linux actually stands.
Except the whole project is about moving away from this idea, and expanding on Linux as a viable alternative to Windows and how a general user sees the Linux environment when trying it straight from Windows.
People who are willing to learn command line, would always have been willing to learn. So I can see what people are saying, why hijack something completely unrelated and trying to move away from the "yea but you can do it in command line" attitude, when absolutely none of the intended audience would ever be interested. Anyone that would be interested is objectively not part of what this project is about.
Gosh... if you can press Ctrl Alt T and type cp /media/usb/ ~/Desktop/ then who would ever want to fiddle with the windows to do one task?
@@wyterabitt2149 We know thats the point of the LTT video. The videos chris are making is just to expand on the subject on what its like, not to prove that its easy. There may be no easy way to do something but someone might want to know what that way is still. Its like a control in a experiment. The variable you don't change so you can compare it.
I don't think the LTT series is about showing any particular way of doing things. They are showing how the simple prospect of getting Linux installed and basic setup and use isn't nearly as simple and easy as it should be. You are kind of proving the point that it isn't easy for new people to Linux to get up and running with little to zero friction, as most of what you've shown requires already understanding how to do these things.
Luke who's using a Debian based distros is having very little issues. The problem is Linus used Manjaro(he should have retried popos) which is more for intermediate users, also Chris did say in the video it's from a sysadmin point of view, the fact he's using a window manager should scream not your average user.
It seems from the comments, Chris needed to be clearer about the intent behind the video, showing how an advanced user would achieve the tasks.
@@devilmanscott no, that wasn't lost on me. Nor does it negate the original point.
@@davethenerd42 It does, you just don't realise it.
Firstly, no-one knows how to use Windows off the bat as-well so expecting that of Linux is unreaonable and Luke as I said followed what most ordinary people should do, pick a debian based distro which normally comes top on any Google/Bing/Duck or whatever search, there's a reason Ubuntu is normally most people's first distro.
Ubuntu is easy to set up, its even quicker than Windows.
Luke's experience would be most people's experience, I.e it works, only his audio stuff failed and that was pulse-audio being weird with OBS.
@@devilmanscott ah yes, apples to apples approach.
@BlackWorm Mate, what are you on about, Ubuntu is fine, it does everything Windows does for basic users, most people workflow is either click on browser, or steam or word processor.
Maybe Blender or Audacity, none of these people need the terminal.
Yes, it's quicker in the terminal, but it's the same for Windows with Powershell, but ordinary users of both need not worry about the terminal.
Anybody: "Dolphin"
Linux Guys: **snicker** no... just.. haha
Lmao
I'm a tech enthusiast, I've used terminals before, I have basic programming knowledge,
and I still would hate to use my PC over the terminal! Sorry, I know a lot of people like it, but the GUI is so much better for visualizing things. And this is coming from someone who knows how to use the command line, imagine how the average person would feel...
I'm glad it works for you guys, but for the rest of us, we really prefer a good visual layout.
I think it depends on the task. automating things and doing batch processes work a lot better over a cli than gui.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593yeah maybe that's not what normal people do on an average day. automate tasks and batch things.
IMO, the main point of Linus challenge was to point out to Linux community that UX needs to be improved if you want to onboard people on to Linux to increase the adoption of it.
Till date, I am using Linux for my workflow flawlessly, at least for me. But I do almost all 99% on GUI, which is required for non tech person
I think people are scared of the CLI but not for a good reason. I make apps for people who don't know anything about computers but also use a lot of email. They always want a way to do a task over email and that's basically a CLI.
Copy and paste... easier than in windows 11
Preview on the Mac can do digital signatures. Since lion (10.7).
Which is a decade old.
Man I feel so old.
Cool video, Chris. Basically "hey - terminal isn't so scary!" combined with "there's many ways to do things, all are valid". Good message, all around. OH - also when I was watching their part 3 and Linus was having VLC full screen trouble, the first thing I thought of was that VLC episode and wondered if it was the same issues you were having with it (apparently so).
Chris makes linux seem more confusing than it needs to be.
He says that they went okay on the challenges but its not always thst easy to do it actually, and then:
*proceeds to show a bspwm setup*
No, the Linux community makes Linux more confusing than it needs to be. Chris is just exposing it.
poopoo too free software
@@ramosel this 100%! I love using Linux server since it’s part of my day job but with a GUI? What a total cluster F@$#! There are too many GUI’s out there and they are all equally shitty in their own unique way. All the development talent is completely fragmented and some are just literally wasting their time and resources working on useless niche garbage. We as a community just need to chose two desktops and focus all the development resources on them. Only then is when we can finally have decent desktop experience that can truly pull normies away from windows and MacOS and gain market share!
@@bthegawd8113 Amen!
Honestly I was hoping for this. For instance on the sign a PDF I think Luke and Linus were going for two very different versions of signing.
But yeah I totally want to see how a Linux user does these tasks. I expect a Linux user will be using a terminal for a lot of it. I mean the link and file moving stuff is super fast on the terminal as a mac user back when OSX started even I know that. But I'm hoping this video also corrects through the gui when possible to show what L&L *could* have done differently.
I'd actually argue what MOST people want when they ask how to sign a PDF is what Luke is did to put their signature on the PDF. Auth signing I see so rarely but that said on Windows it's easy enough to use Acrobat Reader. A lot of my applications that can read PDFs advertise the ability to sign them but I never use them for that because it comes up so infrequently I can count the number of times probably one one hand.
Egg on my face. I paused RIGHT before you said that.
If I want to sign a pdf, I pick up my iPad and scribble on it with the Apple Pencil 🤷🏻♀️.
@@katrinabryce When people talk about signing a PDF they're talking about either putting a signature on it or digitally verifying the PDF two very different procedures with two very different levels of difficulty. My sister for instance is always calling me to help her sign a PDF so she doesn't have to print it out and scan it but she means putting a signature on it. But when you google how to sign a PDFs 90% of the articles I find are how to digitally verify the PDF. just annoying things.
@@SuperWolfkin If Luke had taken the extra 3 seconds to choose the draw option one tab over, I don't think most people would have complained.
Where exactly did he react to part 2? if not in this channel? @0:13
great episode. both yours and ltt's.
I had to smile. my work was setting up digital certs for windows. lets just say it took a lot longer than 15mins and setting up the certs in a government environment can be challenging....
Great video! Here's a success story. I've used GNU/Linux on some older computers before, and finally I worked up the courage to put it on one of my main laptops (Dell XPS 15 9560) a few days ago (thanks to all the Linux content, including you). I went for elementary OS; even though I've used an Arch derivative on one of those older laptops, I simply wanted something that works well using touchpad gestures and had the most appealing out-of-the-box experience to me.
The experience is night and day. The performance feels a lot quicker than it used to be with Windows 10. Using elementary OS the fans have been perfectly quiet, and the only time it gets loud is when it was compiling and when I use the dedicated graphics (which I turned off in the NVIDIA Settings because I don't need it that much and prefer the laptop to be quiet most of the time lol). Under Windows it was jet engine right after booting. I like the 1-to-1 touchpad gestures much more too (I'm very used to my M1 Macbook gestures and I kinda need it since then), and I love how you can modify the gestures using vim.
I expected the biggest headache to be installing the graphics driver, but it really didn't turn out to be hard at all. I did have the issue where sound from the speakers stopped working when I installed it (headphones did work however), but it was fixed using some Google-fu.
Looks like you totally miss LTT video point. Average gamer would not open terminal for any of these tasks. And it's about linux from average gamer perspective. Average gamer use GUI only period. So DnD files from opened zip archive to some folder in file manager should 100% work. File operations on desktop area and in file manager should be consistent. So in my eyes most GUI problems in linux are inconsistency of software and that average linux users don't use GUI for these operations that's why it's not polished. Hope some day one big company will write own DE with all basic software that work consistent with each other and provide polished GUI experience (Like Apple did with BSD).
Na, I get it. The whole point is Linux isn't for a gamer or average user. I still use Windows and Mac for certain tasks... Windows = Games and Mac = Video Editing with FCP.
Thanks for posting this video as I wasn't aware "episode III" had been posted. I'll have to check it out. The *only* issue I have with THIS video is, I'm surprised, Mr Titus, that you didn't create and actual "ZIP" file when talking about compressing files. ZIP isn't the best/fastest/most efficient way to compress files but you certainly CAN create actual "ZIP" files on Linux. From the command line, you can use the "zip" and "unzip" commands. They are part of the 'Info-Zip' package, which should already be installed. I'm on Linux Mint 18.3 right now and if I right-click a file and click "Compress", I'm given the option of compressing the file using a variety of different ways (zip, xz, tar.{whatever}, bz2, etc). The cool thing about using ZIP files on Linux is ZIP is pretty much ubiquitous, so sending compressed files to others will most likely be supported by the recipient's system instead of the recipient having to install some tool to decompress what you've sent them. Ok, I'm off to watch episode III! :)
Well that is because he is so custom to use tar and for obvious reasons tar cannot compress using zip (since both tar and zip are archives while xz and gz are compressor programs).
Comparing to the previous parts of the LTT's Linux Challange, in part 3, Linus and Luke seemed to be more aware that addressing the Linux Community is not the same as demanding something from a company like MS or Apple. They aknowledged the diversity of people (from developers to average users) that are part of the Community. Besides, since Linux Desktop Renaissance in the late 90's, Linux community has grow in average user numbers, more than developers and IT people.
I like the comparisons for how you did those tasks vs how they did it. That's one the greatest things about Linux in that you can do things your way in your own environment and get the same tasks accomplished. Some methods will be faster/easier than others but that's part of the process for sharing how to do things and learning from each other IMO.
Except when you like to use GUIs
@@nnnik3595 I think it depends. Even on windows I use the cli. I wanted to put different files into separate zip files. Instead of right clicking and zipping hundreds of files I just googled the windows power shell script to do it for me. I think its about using the right tool for the job.
Just last night I plugged in my $6 Canon scanner found at Goodwill into my Linux Mint desktop. Nothing popped up like you'd expect in Windows. Wasn't even sure what program I'm supposed to use. So I used the search function in the launcher, found Scanner & BOOM, it recognized the scanner & I was able to scan. I was surprised at how easy it was!
Sedja was a new one on me too and I've been using Linux for over 20 years. Spent hours this week messing around with Okular editing a PDF, Sedja would have been much simpler.
I think Linus read that task as something that could be used on legal documents, I'd need check Sedja also, but Luke's didn't seem to be his actual signature.
@@benwu7980 digital signatures and secure signing are different things. I've signed many legal documents with a digital signature
@@Kolor-kode Yeah, I think that was part of where things got confused. Linus was looking for a signing cert, but when Luke 'signs' his pdf with Sedja , it's just him typing his name in a stock font in text area and switching it to a fancier font. I'd just think that wouldn't work for what Linus deals with.
Saw you in a supercut video on this and came here to see the full version. Learned a lot.
I've never heard someone say it out loud before. F-Stab is not what I had in my head. I've always said FS-Tab. I've just assumed it stands for file system table. It's funny how everyone says this kind of stuff differently.
I say "fs-tab" too. :)
You are correct, it is a short for File System Table
Chris: "This is how I would do it.'
Everyone else: "Let me guess, it's the command line!"
You’re my favorite NON-BIASED youtuber for this type of stuff lol. Glad I found you 😁
I can understand the negative feelings about part 2. I am not what people consider a linux guy. I will avoid the terminal as much as I can and programming as little as possible because I consider it a job, But when moving to linux, the most important thing in my eyes is to go in fresh. You cannot force yourself to use it in the same way, you have to look for alternatives. The whole of part 2 was the antithesis of this. Luke in part 3 kind of encapsulates it a bit better. Didn't know how, googled to check if he could use the software, he could, otherwise continue googling. Linus was also great because even though he had more hardships. These are hardships that we can realistically understand being a bit knaff
Some in the comments are completely missing the point. Chris presented this video from a different perspective, essentially a "Linux pro reacts and what HE would do".
He's not making a guide for beginners who don't know how to use the terminal. He is making a video about what he personally thinks is best, not necessarily for beginners.
If you're looking for guides on how to use Linux in GUI for beginners, search somewhere else, not come here and shit on him saying, "Well, that's how YOU do it, not us noobs."
That's exactly the point! It's how Chris does it, and he is presenting tips for those interested! He's not expecting beginners to do what he does.
Windows has the built in snipping tool - win+shift+s pulls up the clipping tool and you can select an area to clip.
I didn't like your video on the first LTT challenge and was very critical of it, but I like this one.
You add on to the experiences Linus and Luke had and share how things are done using the terminal as another option, good stuff.
Best thing out of this video is the glimpse to your build that you're working on! I'm very excited for this.
@9:20 most desktops by default map "prtscr" to taking a screenshot (prtscr alone for the whole desktop and combinations with ctrl and shift for windows and areas).
This entire video was just an enormous flex xD
chris titus time magazine is calling
They did a pretty good job. I don't know why Linus thinks trying to compress a 3GB ALREADY compressed file should take a split second, but oh well. I'm not surprised. Trying to compress something that is already compressed is not a good idea if you have any clue how compression works. Linus's complaint about copying files easily into system directories as a normal user is typical for a windows user however. Security is an after thought, as usual.
XSane for using the scanner function of my hp multifunctional that hasn't printed anything in over a decade and is probably completely dry. It works flawlessly every time I have to use it.
Chris, I’m not the only one saying this, you have missed the point. The point of their series is to try and demonstrate what an average new user might experience when using Linux. Not every user wants to use the terminal, at least at first for some. They want to show the usability of one of the more well known desk top environments/distros. You’re trying to show how YOU do it; you are not an average new user, you are a highly knowledgeable computer technician. I work retail and tech is my hobby and something I’d like to try and pursue something in. I can understand the use of the terminal but only because I’ve been studying tech in an amateur style for years and I still have trouble understanding everything the terminal can do. Imagine how someone like me who hasn’t been studying technology would go into Linux when they’ve barely heard much about it but wanted to try and jump on the ship. So take a step back and try to understand things from the point of view of someone who doesn’t know what you or I know. Because THIS ^^, is what pushes people away.
I agree. Chris's videos on ltt reactions are not good as he's completely missing the point of the series.
I think it's you that have missed the point of this video. This video is not a critique of the LTT video, nor is it a demo for new users how they should do things, it's a Linux veteran showing how HE would do these tasks.
Ah yes the classic "just don't use that very useful piece of hardware" and the "don't use the most widely used brand of GPUs". So user friendly
I've only started using Linux recently, I've been on Windows since my parents bought our first computer (Win 95). The roughest time I've had so far (other than choosing Arch and successfully installing on the 3rd try...) was getting my printer to work. I have an Epson EcoTank and using default CUPS drivers just sent a blank page to the printer. I was able to find the right drivers on the AUR and can print just fine now.
I'd love a battle, randomised tasks on the spot, it'd highlight that the environment has less impact than skill.
The thing is if you are daily driving Linux for some time you just never face these little issues mostly those are just one time things (after you know what to do)
I wonder how it would be if it was switched and somone was new to windows. i wonder how long it would take them to get use to it comapred to mac or linux
You can make a video recommending good programs to use for common use cases like file browser, image viewer, video player, music player, calculator, screenshot taker, etc.
There are certain applications that I like on Windows [eg. Q-Dir, MusicBee] that I do not think will be matched by any on Linux.
Missed opportunity to name the title CTT vs LTT.
Also, 'tar -vcf archive.tar.xz *' will _not_ make an xz archive, it will just do a simple tar with the name ending in xz. To do a tar and compress using xz compression, the option to use is -J (-j for bzip2 and -z for gzip). -v is verbose, -c is create (archive) and -f is the name of the archive. This is kinda what Linus did with html target file saved as .sh. I'm certain Chris knows this, the comment is for passers-by.
Fantastic video CTT !! Whilst other did plain old reaction videos you took it one step further.
today's was best so far
Chris, I know your awesome but showing things from a server admin perspective...sir that's not for most people. At least I think so. I mean, isn't a computer supposed to make things easier instead of having to learn first how to program the "damned thing"?
Cool vid though 👍🏻
Greetings from Netherland
6:34 And troublesome on Windows. My scanning solution is to put a flash drive into the printer and have it scan to that, no matter whatever OS I'm on. Printers are hell.
you're probably the only human on the planet who can remember tar commands/arguments lol
I digitally sign a lot of PDFs on Linux. I signed a sheet of paper, took a photo of it... converted it to a transparent PNG. Then I use the xournal program to open the pdf, attach and resize my signature and then export the result as a new PDF. Many times my resulting PDF is smaller than the original.
PDF functionality is not the main purpose of Xournal, but it works really well for me to digitally sign a PDF in Linux.
Since Linus cannot figure out basic command like apt get update and Pacman commands. Proven in his (Linus's) last few Linux videos. Chris should be the winner. RTFM, Linus !
Linux is missing one thing for file management, Total Commander. No, there is no alternative with the same features with GUI that makes sense on Linux, TC does it all and does it well. It even has command line directly in the GUI.
Every tried Midnight Commander (mc) ?
Great commentary, imho. I liked that segment of the Linux Challenge, and watching Linus' obvious joy at printing a document reminded me of when I first started using Linux as a daily driver (mind you, whilst I could print documents, I sure as heck couldn't scan them). I think Chris packed an awful lot of useful information and tips into a short video, and I will come back to again so that I can pick up all of the things I missed in the first viewing.
I would be interested in a video on how to do custom systemd services.
I use FreeBSD as my daily driver, and I can configure bsdinit in my sleep. But sometimes there are things that FreeBSD can't do, and I have to use Linux for those things, and SystemD is one of those areas where Linux is very different to FreeBSD, and not in a good way.
Oh! I might fall in love with your window manager! I've been looking for a way to open every application to a specific desktop on startup! That's exactly what you want for streaming: Everything running, everything where you expect it.
I have used both oses for a number of years and I don't think Linux will ever be mainstream and thats ok. At least not mainstream without surger added like android. I think Linux is good at getting certain things done that its good at. The same way we need 18wheelers but I don't think everyone needs to drive one
I think some missed the point:
The challenge is: Do the stuff like a typical "windows gamer" would do ( = without using the console too often or "you need to use the terminal to get things done in linux").
@Chris: I challenge you to use Linux for 30 days without ever using the terminal for anything (as you can do anything within Windows without using the Terminal / Powershell once).
Just regular "I can use Linux without using the shell and work "normally" my daily tasks / games.
I've been a Linux user since 2014, I use the terminal all the time. But I do agree that a lot of people will not use the terminal, I can use Linux without the terminal, it's doable but some Linux people need to stop pushing something Windows users don't know anything about, but I do say that Linux beginners should eventually learn the terminal.
@@ScimitarRaccoon exactly. its just the way linux was built. macos has an incredibly unified GUI and makes non terminal use possible and easy, but even there its faster and easier to spawn a terminal in 99% of cases. just how linux works best and if you expect it to work like windows, youre going to have a bad time. I do not want any distro to have to focus on accommodating windows users more than just making a kickass distro.
@@dddonehoo7 I kind of think terminal is easier for certain tasks. on windows i have had to look up tutorials to find what buttons I should press, or dig around for the right thing. But on linux it was a one liner. With that said I do think Linux will never be main stream, and that windows terminal is getting much better
I don't mind the use of Terminal or Powershell. But being in a Discord server with multiple "gamers" who just use their computers for gaming and asking them about the Shell .... nope ! I would say, less then 5% of all gamers knows how to use the shell.
Some gamers just switched from Console to PC (because higher FPS or some other reasons) and now people expect them to use a shell for "installing some games" ?
And if people now say "well, then don't use Linux".
And now to the next part: What about the Steamdeck? It will be based on Linux, but no user using the device will be asked to "do something in the shell to play that game in your steam library".
I just want people to understand: If you want some more people to use Linux, you should not expect them to use the shell to do certain tasks.
Sure, the terminal is much faster or easier if you know what you are doing. But it should be able to do all the stuff in Linux without ever touching the terminal/shell.
Later, if the "gamer" who switched from Windows to Linux learned a little bit more, surely you can ask them to do certain tasks in the shell. But not any beginner who just switched from Windows to Linux.
Chris can’t thank you enough. You’ve reignited my love for Linux. I just use it on a limited basis at work (windows shop) and didn’t have time (kids and life) to properly tinker and get into the guts of it like one should. So thank you
"WIN + Shift + S" in Windows 10 (and I'm guessing 11) will bring up the screen snip tool which is suuuuper nice for taking screen shots.
You sir have made my life better. Thank you!
At this point, I consider your response videos just as important to watch as the actual LTT videos themselves. Love your content, keep it up!
7:05 Titus has a double head
Wow, I didn't expect him to use the terminal 100% all the time. I am curious what would happens if he actually did a video using Linux without a Terminal. As a Linux beginner, I did use Linux but, I didn't know that when you have to use Linux, you have to make it your own. Terminal was helpful at times when I was having trouble doing it using a the Graphical versions of it (Terminal is very helpful when comes to installing Applications instead of the GUI) and every time I use a GUI Package Manager, I am always scared because, something might go wrong. When I use Terminal to install things, there you go, it's now in your computer. Terminal might actually be better than the Windows Wizard Installer. I really liked the Terminal, because, you just type that here and there and it just does things that you wanna it to do.
All fair points and a great informative video, Chris. That said, Linus' video wasn't directed towards sysadmins but regular users. And for them the way you do things is just black magic.
as somone who works tech support its hard enough to get people to use windows. phones are the only thing where i feel ok with the general public. im guessing because they use it all the time and keep it in their pocket. i see no hope of mainstream linux on the desktop unless some group of people really strive for it. But since power users are the only ones willing to use linux i don't see it getting past their needs
I actually had found a Laser printer from the Win 3.1 days that I could not get to run back in Windows 7 at all (because of Win 64-bit). I tried running in under Linux and it just worked flawlessly. It's too bad Windows forces you to upgrade printers, creating more e-waste.
The printer driver blob is kernal level on linux
@@LiamNajor I know, I was commenting on how Linux recognizes and works on old printers.
Microsoft is just keeping their stockholders happy. They don't care about your feelings.
Thanks for the tip on Celluloid. I was using VLC player.
This guy is a perfect example of why ltt did the video on Linux. I built my own computer and still have no idea what this guy is saying. Linux is hard.
Everything is
Really enjoyed this one. I've been a linux user for way longer, but because everyone has their own way of doing things, it's great to see how others setup their workflow. I'm really interested in how you mount your drives, so I'd look forward to seeing more detail on that.
You really should do a video on part 2. They brought up a lot of valid complaints of the linux community and the many issues newer users face. I think the reason you don't want to (and understandably so) is that a lot of their issues will require an in-depth fix for each issue they had which would require a longer than normal video. Even with windows issues when I go to help someone I can't help but think "do I really want to devote my time to this?".
He did do a reaction video on part 2. CTT was visibly irked in it. Check his video upload 5 days ago.
With screenshots, it's also worth noting that most distros have printscreen bound to a screenshotting tool that allows you to select a few different options - whereas in Windows printscreen grabs the entire screen by default rather than loading the snipping tool (or the tool that's replacing it). IMO this is a far better default behavior since it's pretty rare that anyone actually wants a full screenshot.
Both Linus and Luke opted to search for a tool in the app menu, which was perfectly fine but unnecessary.
I love that LTT has done this series and gotten everyone on all sides of the Win/Mac/Linux debate talking. I feel like it has opened a lot of opportunities with more inexperienced people being interested and more advanced people realizing what needs to happen to make Linux more usable "for the masses."
Thank you Chris for giving a balanced review and showing that different ways of performing the same tasks are both possible and valid.
I really like this video, Chris. As someone who switched from Linux recently, this is very informative!
Still don’t know why the terminal is the way to go. Please explain how having to memorise commands is easier than click, drag and drop? Is it an elitist view.
0:34 Chris said doo doo
As a former Microsoft nut, my transfer to Linux went smooth as butter.
The average user doesnt know all the commands to use in CLI. It would take them longer to look up each command than to do it in the gui. The point of Linus' videos is to show how difficult or even easy Linux would be for a regular user to switch to.
Watching you work in CLI reminds me of when we had a DOS computer and a binder next to it with a list of commands you needed to do anything with it.
I like how you show the caveats for Linux. I am not a Dolphin fan either. Chris is the go-to Linux guy big time!
I am certain James wanted it "digitally signed" exactly as Luke did
Sorry Chris, I like a lot of your videos but this one of how to turn LLT's simple Linux tasks into how you would do it on the Neberkenezer, does not hit the spot. GUI is the present while CLI is both the past and to be fair also useful for some people like sysadmins like yourself.
I say this as somone who also uses Windows, Mac and Linux.
Chris Titus succeeded in chasing away potential Windows users by doing everything in the terminal.
Do a windows daily driver challenge
I use Windows all the time and was used to record the video. I used it exclusively as my daily driver from 1992 to 2018.
I also have 11 Windows based certifications and know more about Windows than Linux.
@@ChrisTitusTech that's nice to hear
I'm a Linux user too
This was hysterical to watch. You're clearly well versed in Linux, and are comfortable in the Terminal, but man as a person who wants to get into Linux, this just seems messy. It reminds me of that "TICK" meme on how to draw The Tick (superhero), Step one: Draw an oval with a line through it, Step Two: Draw the tick holding said oval. It really is that simple.
8:43 I have a question, I also have flameshot assigned to a key binding as it has more option than the default gnome-screenshot, however after taking the capture flameshot remains an active process in the background wasting RAM if you don't close it manually. The dev said it won't add a --kill option as it will cause issues: _The last three releases had bugs related to close after capture and the interaction between image uploading,notifications, and the clipboard. Also it causes massive confusion that with this option enabled the clipboard cannot work_
_Basically this option added a layer of additional required testing and had unseen interactions with the other parts of Flameshot. I simply did not have the bandwidth to continually support this feature and I would rather focus on core features_
So Chris or anybody else that uses flameshot, do you bind flameshot gui to a key or do you bind a script that launches flameshot and then close it if a file has been saved to ~/screenshots?
I‘d love to see a future video where you go more into depth on how you make use of systemd and how you mount and use your network shares
i love dolphin's 'split' option so instead of opening 2 windows when dragging files around i can just keep the 1
11:10 When I saw that IP address, there was an instant "Nice!" sound in my head, ngl.
BTW, creating an entire systemd service for mounting drivers is redundant. fstab is currently in sustemd, so at boot systemd reads the fstab and creates separate services for each mount
Edit: Having said all below, I really like KDE. :-D
Linus was right about saying that if you want to bring Linux to the masses, you must accept they WILL NOT WANT TO USE the command line. I still keep 2 distros in VMplayer to check them out from time to time, and every time I am faced with having to use the command line, it pisses me off. I simply WILL forget any of those commands I need to use at that moment and waste that time looking for whatever it was online yet again. I remember the DOS ages, and I loved I barely had to use any commands when I stumbled on Norton Commander. :-)
Love both ctt and ltt
Do you think you could do a GUI File Manager Comparison video?
Linux noob here, though I used Ubuntu mildly back in like 2011 on a Laptop and Mint in like 2016 on a laptop again (Linux really can resurrect old laptops for a second life), right now installed Pop OS on my main rig and so far didn't have much problem in running games on it. Still have to get used to terminal though and I guess I'll go back to Mint soon because for some reason and I can't understand why exactly, I can't update Wine to v6, as it keeps saying the dependencies are broken due to not being latest version. I try to update the listed dependencies and those spit out the same problem of other dependencies being out of date or whatever, it's crazy
Am I missing something? I've never had any of the copy and paste issues on Dolphin.
Thank you for saying the scanner stuff because I was shocked that they had no problem while I always get it to work again after I managed to break all of my scanners multiple times. Usually I end up having to reinstall them.
Are you using a scanner on a MFP? I'm curious because I've had no problems with stand alone scanners on linux and my first scanner experience on linux is one of the things that turned me to linux. Back in the 90s I bought a scanner for legal size docs and when I installed the drivers and software on Windows 98 it was nerfed and would only scan 8x11 docs. I had to buy a different driver and software to use the full legal doc size scanning. So I booted linux and the full scan size was available, I was hooked at that point.
Thank you.
What an interesting panel organisation! I have just stopped video and tried to figure out how it's done and which plugins you are using on it.
to be honest you can be a linux developer but people always like to do gui way all the time it's easier and user friendly
Lol, that tar command only creates a tar archive, not an xz compressed archive. Need to use -J or --xz for that.