"Linux community over promises and under delivers." Sometimes I think people using Linux are so used to finding workarounds or accepting less convenient alternatives that they forget it's a skill one needs to develop.
I agree; albeit I think Linux is great, but like all operating systems it’s not amazing at everything. Even windows and Mac aren’t good at everything; some are just easier than others. I.E. Microsoft is good for gaming and most people who don’t want to learn a lot about a computer. Mac is amazing for creative endeavors, whereas Linux is for people who love learning new things and digging farther into how computers work.
@@justinsooroojdeen425 Agree. Although I use Linux, I'm nowhere as biased to Linux as some linux elitist are, I stay for what's the truth. And the truth is If Windows has a simple bug, the linux community (the bad one, not the good people) will laugh their A**es, while if Linux has a bug in the desktop, "its the users' fault"....Also I see many Linux RUclipsr saying total nonsense things about Windows which isn't true at all. I have no objections telling a bad thing bad, but which things aren't true about Windows, they say those things also!
Yea, and Microsoft constantly lies and believes THEY own your computer. Apparently too many weak pathetic fools like being treated with contempt by a corrupt corporation. If more people actually put some effort into using Linux, instead of whinging it would be better.
@@justinsooroojdeen425 There will never be the year of the Linux desktop simply bc Linux is not the first. In the OS world, you have to be the first. Windows was the first. Microsoft goal was to deliver to businesses, to make a desktop OS for office workers and home users. They have invested a lot of time to make their GUI user friendly, even for IT people and people doing admin work on Windows Server or Azure. In the CPU world, Intel is the first. It was the first when IBM chose the 8086 and 8088. Very few people choose Cyrix, AMD and IDT. Yes, I know that AMD was a secondary fab for Intel bc it was part of the contract with IBM. To this day, nearly all businesses and average joe prefer Intel CPUs.
@@justinsooroojdeen425 Oh, don't get me wrong. I have switched to Linux since a couple of years. Linux as a desktop OS has come a long way. It is very usable. It was easy since I use the same Firefox, Chromium, Brave, the same Steam. I replaced Visual C++ with Qt Creator. I still use Paint Shop Pro but I run it via WINE. This is bc some features of Krita are weird for me. If I want MS Paint, I use KolourPaint. For video editing, Shotcut has a Windows and Linux version. Windows only games like Bioshock, Bioshock 2, Duke Nukem Forever run fine on Linux through Steam. It looks like Battlefield 1 is running pretty well as well. Linux can be installed by any techie. Probably most gamers have installed Windows a bunch of times and with some coaching, they can get use to Linux. A technie can help out their family. It has to be installed by us since you are unlikely to find a store selling a PC with Linux preinstalled. Average joe doesn’t even know what an OS is and PC makers don’t want the hassle. So, these are reasons why there won’t be a year of the desktop Linux.
I'm not sure why would he pay for win11 and microsoft office, especially office, it's extremely buggy, performance issues, features usually don't work. No reason to buy it, also it's closed source.
Music production is another area where I think Linux is still behind Windows. Not necessarily because of DAW software - Reaper runs fine on Linux for example, but plugins, virtual instruments and the like are often windows and mac only.
I've done music production on Linux and I'd say yes and no. Linux is far ahead Windows and Mac when it comes to music production in many aspects, but it is behind when it comes to plugins and hardware compatibility. Most of them are made for Windows and you have to run them through Wine and they don't always work that way. 90% of the time it is a problem with DRMs, though. My tip if someone is thinking in using Linux for music production, make sure that everything you buy works on Linux. Just this will save most of the headaches.
I an actually running a recording studio with linux as my main daw. I am an almost day one bitwig adopter, so the transition was pretty smooth. I use mainly built in plugins for mixing and lots of hardware synths so plugins were not much of an issue Kontakt 5 works in case i need exotic stuff (through airwave) There is a decent gui to alsamixer which allows me to tweak and reprogram my sound card even more than on the native software (mac and win only) i also use muse score for notation which works perfect natively! My point is you can get a decent music production experience on linux unless you are married to a certain daw or vst. Is it for everyone? Definitely no, but if you actually know what you are doing and are ready to try doing it in a different way- give it a go. You might enjoy it the way i qnvfor the past 5 years
yeah, i'll consider music production to be far far more important point than "MS Office" since for the former, no equivalent alternates exist. while for MS-O it's just like some particular xyz is stubborn and cant switch to OpenOffice despite being equivalent. unless MS-O provides some tool extremely vital for their organisation for example Excel, or Access. but those who cant switch from MSword/ppt etc, they just dont want to.
@@theo_jeff 1. win is private too , do you think all the companies would use win if their stuff could be leaked out ? 2. win has command line 3. you can learn as much on win as linux 4. heh? can be done on win too for sure bonus? distro hopping is horrible it clearly shows you are not confident with your distro
I see Chris has a shirt that says variant, probably in reference to the Omicron strain of Covid-19. By the way, I am looking forward to seeing people use the Valve Steam Deck in 2022. :)
@@orkhepaj I have to *agree* with you on the bonus one, cos distro hopping basically shows that the user is not satisfied with their Linus operating system. What I *disagree* with: Windows is not very secure for everyday home users, cos they log keystrokes, and can easily catch a virus.
It has allready become way way better :) 10 years ago it was basically unusable for an average youser. I, personally tried linux many times an was unable to use it Only around 2015 I finally started and I was happy with it :)
Absolutely correct, i am becoming a intermediate Linux user slowly since, i have been improving understand Linux and its several distros. we should work hard and do better and i can confirm we are reaching great heights.
I run ALL my games on Linux, and there are many of them. And something in me really, like really wants to dislike this video, regardless of the counter, because... Well, it works. But I can't. Because what Chris is saying is true: SOME games are not so simple to get going. It's not a showstopper by any means, but you need to keep in mind that tinkering WILL be REQUIRED at least at some point and with SOME games. And if you don't LIKE doing that, you might get annoyed and rage-quit... Well... The whole OS. And when you do like doing that and just getting a game working is a game in itself for you, it's quite easy to forget that many people are simply not like that. Giant kudos for Valve for making this easier on the less tech-inclined user.
Sometimes it's not as much as getting it to work as much as getting it to work AS WELL AS Windows. I have 836 games on Steam as of today, and I've tried a bunch of them over the last year. And many of them turned my Vega 64 into an RX 580. That is just unacceptable. It's fine for all pixel art indies, sure because I'm getting 144 fps anyway at that point.
I have seen people struggling with some games under Windows as well. The graphics drivers are reinstalled, Windows is reinstalled, all kinds of other programmes are installed and uninstalled just because the game freezes or crashes over and over again. So even under Windows, it's not always just install and it runs.
When I retired from the IT industry I still had friends/relatives who expected me to provide support for their PC issues. Fortunately, most don’t do much beyond web browsing and lightweight word processing/graphics. I managed to transition almost all of them to Cinnamon Mint and have consequently reduced their demands on my time to almost zero! I spent more than a year doing everything possible using Mint and only running what was only possible in Windows in a VM. As you say Chris, over-promising and under-delivering is the big downside to Linux, but then that’s been the norm in the computer industry since the very beginning! Heartfelt thanks for your W10 debloat script BTW. Your blood’s worth bottling as we say here in the Land of Under.
I actually did the same having my mom(76) on mint since I built her a PC. I actually had her on mint on her dying laptop before hand cause I was getting called all the time.. now.. she loves her computer.
@@timothygibney159 What kind of issues have you been running into? I've installed linux on my new PC featuring a 3080 and proprietary drivers ~2 weeks ago and everything seems to work just fine out of the box, even including DLSS in games.
@@westonbean9674 LOL... ya... Linux is great for old people... they just browse and they like to click every button offer ... on Linux they are safe of virus and malware....
@@luiscarlosvieira3966 Network Chuck made some browser app that gives you a throw away browser. He had his daughters click on a bunch of malware and the computer itself was safe.
I've used Linux exclusively since 2010 as a fulltime freelance illustrator, and honestly I'm not sure anyone could pay me to switch back to proprietary systems. My loadout: Krita for illustration (the multibrush engine absolutely crushes any commercial app I've tried, which is most of them), GIMP for batch photo processing, Inkscape for posters and covers (vector layout over raster art), Synfig Studio for vector animation, kdenlive for video compositing, Audacity and Ardour for audio editing, and Scribus for book layout and printing. I live a comfortable life with this array and every program listed has made me significant chunks of money.
Ask yourself: Why Linux? If the asnwer is something along with: "Because I'm told to" or "Because the other cool kids are" Then you're in for a bad time. Don't. Just... don't. Spare yourself the embarrassment and time. Stay on windows. There is where you're doing well. You do *not* want to use Linux in any way, shape or form. Stay away! If the answer is: "Because it has " or "I want to learn" Then.. Welcome! Head over to the community channels and say hi. We'll help you along.
But i could just use windows with wsl and that windows app store to just use any linux software on windows flawssely with very few exceptions, even GUI ones. OFC using wsl is using Linux, but it is not stopping to use windows. In general, i would prefer if Microsoft just did their own linux distro that works like windows more or less and i would just use that.
I fell into linux rabbit hole because i heard that linux is much faster than windows. Because of that, my little brain monkey decided that linux is better to gaming than windows. Turns out it wasn't. So after that, i decided to stick with linux a bit because the command line seems cool. Because of me learning the command line, i started to develop this personality idk what to call it but rather "Found problem? Fix it.".And that's how i fallen for linux, gentleman
Simply if you switch to Linux, you already acquired the "Tinkerer" badge, not using the Terminal is just refusing to level up your experience. I love how honest this video is, i hate FOSS advocates who just shove GIMP down anyone saying PS throats, it is not always an option, Use whatever gives you the most value for your life, I personally use Linux because i like control, i like tinkering around and i like how fast and lightweight i can make it
Yeah just cause a piece of software is OSS doesn't exempt it from criticism, compared to say how blender has turned out, actually competing with paid alternatives, Gimp is a long way off
This is the type of mentality that holds FOSS from being a true option for all users, linux distributions need to get better, this is not the way to create software, things need to work for population in general not for the gate keepers, people need a true option from propetary software not just a promise of something, terminal being a most have skill on linux distribution is a huge problem and it will end when the software for users mentality is adopted and the "tinkerer" mentality leaved as a nice option, sorry for my english, is not my first language
@@Viruskiller82 It’s one thing to say that Linux distributions need to get better; it’s another thing entirely to *make* them better. Given the constraints that distro creators are working under, ensuring that no one ever needs to use the terminal for anything at all would be a gargantuan effort. For one thing you’d need to ensure that all hardware worked perfectly out of the box and was configurable through a gui. I suspect this is only doable for curated hardware setups, like Android phones or the Steam Deck.
totally agree. What I tell everyone is if a Chromebook handles all your computing needs then you can probably put mint or ubuntu on a thrift store pc and do your deal. If you need to use specific software or hardware for a workflow your better off getting a $15.00 OEM key and go winblows. I have likes and dislikes for every platform. I played WOW for a year on mint and the game ran fine but it was a knife fight in a closet every time my addons were updated. my game rig is windows (and you help me keep it debloated), I have a raspberry pi with your OS to run discord and light browsing next to my game rig. another raspberry pi with open media vault for NAS, my wife has a windows rig for her work, and my old bulldozer rig is our pop os w/ cinnamon desktop test machine for trying new things or just browsing the internet. We actually use a bit of everything. I have repurposed old PCs for friends and family and put mint on them and they still use the machine because all they do is browse the web and email. There are many makes and models of vehicle and its the same with consumer tech. Remember the price point for each and make your choice from there.
Indeed, dual boot is the best option if you need to use these things but still wanna run Linux. I recommend getting separate SSDs so that both OSes can run independently and boot doesn't get messed up. If you don't have another M.2 slot, SATA is just fine. Performance is pretty similar with the kinds of load you encounter on a desktop PC. For example, a game I play takes 40 seconds to load from a HDD, 15 seconds from a $200 Gen4 NVMe SSD, and 17 seconds from a $25 SATA SSD.
I just switched fulltime to Manjaro-KDE from dualbooting Linux Mint and Windows for over a month. I briefly switched to Linux last year but I had some scientific applications that could not run and I was a noob so I rage quit after a few attempts. Now, I have configured a virtualbox with all the software I need. As none of them are cpu/gpu-intensive, they run smoothly on the VM. I love the feel of using Linux and learning to use to terminal really gave a lot of confidence towards this switch. Now, I can proudly say I am no longer a noob and I like where I am. And spending the extra five-twenty minutes where I get stuck, I just fall in love with the learning process.
Anyone else never have problems gaming on Linux? I've had games that don't work on windows work with proton, and every game I play just works. I don't play many triple A games, but I'm actually astonished how easy it is now
After using Linux every day since Mandrake 5. I would, and have given many people the exact same advice. Also, I have never been on any Linux machine/distro for more than half an hour without opening a terminal. What you say is just reality. To be honest I've never met any one of my windows or mac computer using friends that I would even think of suggesting they use Linux. I'm not a gamer, but have some friends who game exclusively on Linux, but they are people who are extremely proficient in managing Linux - well beyond the abilities of ninety percent of desktop linux users.
I do have a success story to share... I installed linux on my dad's desktop pc I think it was 10 years ago... he only uses web and a virtual machine for a few other things (windows xp stuff) and he's never reported a problem. I did upgrade the machine with a newer version of linux and hardware, but I made sure to stick with LTS versions.
@@readypetequalmers7360 My dad did the same thing for my grandmother's old boyfriend - 10 years and I think he needed an update once, which prompted my dad to go ahead and give the system a once-over. Kept the old man from getting shit-tons of viruses from clicking on everything, and he's running it on a machine that I suspect couldn't boot with Windows 7, nevermind the nightmare that is Win10.
Thanks Chris! I’m new to Linux. I would love to jump the “Mac/Adobe ship” for privacy reasons. I need to edit video, I’m thinking of trying Davinci Resovle on Manjaro. Do you have a video showing what hardware is best for building a Linux box?
The most problems i have with Linux is the (non)support of XLR-Devices that i use. Only distro i know that works out of box with all is Ubuntustudio. Also there are a lot of useful stuff for media creation preinstalled. For Hardware you should go for fast storage (ssd nvme) and you have to get a decent grafic card. Also 16gig RAM are minimum. Video Editing is eating hardware.
I don't think he does but after quite a bit of tinkering myself with various distros, I'd have to say you would want to stick with Zen3 based processor (5800X has a pretty good pricepoint now) and an AMD-based GPU. My 5600G / 6700XT system has been flawless in every distro I've tried. A good B550 motherboard is also quite a bit cheaper than on the Intel side currently (can confirm having just updated main rig to Z690 / 12700K). Pretty much any MSI B550 board can handle the 5600X with ease but even the cheap B550 Gaming Plus handled the 5900X overclcocked without issue while pulling over 200 watts on the CPU. Some other basic recommendations for Ryzen - don't bother over-spending on memory. Ryzen does benefit from faster memory with tighter timings but you have an upper limit (for stability) and the performance between 3200 @ CL14 and 3733@ CL16 isn't drastically different in most use cases. I've spent WAAAAY too much time tuning memory on ryzen and you get your most bang for the buck getting the main CAS latency down as far as you can go and tightening up all the sub-timings. That being said, some programs don't care a lick about memory bandwidth and latency and Zen 3 doesn't have quite the same improvement that Zen 2 did by tinkering with memory. Maybe Chris can weigh in here, but I'm not sure if Intel Quicksync is supported in Resolve or not and if that might be something to consider. Nvidia GPUs tend to do better in encoding tasks in Windows, but their Linux drivers are notoriously garbage and the open source AMD drivers just work so much better by comparison.
Just go with AMD - everything else depends on the specific product you want to use. I'm saying AMD because it can be a bumpy road to set up NVidia graphics cards but its not impossible, so if you really want an NVidia card, be ready to run into trouble and use the command line a bit. For everything else, you should check out whether or not your specific product has drivers for Linux which should be said on the product web page and sometimes you can get it working with some hacks if you're willing to do it that way (usually a quick google search will tell you whether this is possible and how to do it if it is). Sometimes you don't even need specific vendor software to get something working. For example, I have a Roccat Kiro mouse that works right out of the box when I plug it in my computer when on Linux. It has vendor specific software for Windows, but not for Linux where you can set the color of LEDs, DPI, keymap, and other stuff. Now, do I need to adjust those settings? Extremely rarely. If I really have to set that up, I have a Windows image on an external drive from which I set that stuff up.
as far as hardware goes AMD is your friend, if you are looking at building a new box or you buy a system 76 system. I bought my Nvidia GPU before I started using linux and it will make your life more difficult as a result, as far as CPU's go intel or AMD is fine for support (what you go with is up to you and your budget) At the end of the day though its the software difference which if you are really interesting install a live USB or VM of linux and go from there. If you have an Nvidia GPU already though with the exception of gaming, the driver it will work well enough most of the time.
Be advised, da Vinci can be kind a bear to set up as well. It worked out of the box on my system but required a bit of hackery on my wife's ( both fedora). You'll also need to adjust your work flow if you plan on using the free version as it doesn't support certain proprietary codecs - not a show stopper but you'll have to convert the videos first. I set her up with a script to do it for her.
I think you've forgotten how most people use their computers. People who want to use Chrome OS have no reason to need to learn how to use a terminal. Most people don't want a laptop or desktop, but they use it for their work. They might have some benefit that would come from a terminal, but it might not be worth it for them to put in the energy to learn it.
Well, those people do work or study at the same time, and (shocking, I know) it might not have anything to do with IT or Programming. Making Linux more approachable to GUI people does not meant harming the overall environment: creating one distro or another or even just environments for GUI people may be all that is needed. Otherwise, why would people spend their time switching to an OS that is not ready-to-go when they have strict deadlines? Approaching the noobs and being sensitive is what will bring LINUX to the mainstream. Or just don't do it and be a techno-elitist, but live with the fact that the Tech Giants will always have more marketshare than the Linux and the free-opensource community, and thus more Power: financial AND political.
If you can get away with the web app version, the "real" Microsoft Office can be used quite nicely on Linux (or anything with a web browser). Sure, doesn't have all the features, but if you occasionally want to use the real thing, and don't need the full desktop app, it's a nice option to have.
FOR MY NEEDS (disclaimer) Gaming in Linux is really nice through steam with mostly no tinkering. There are only a handful of games that I play that the developers haven't updated the anti-cheat for yet. I keep a small Windows partition for those two games. AAA titles with updated anti-cheat (compatible with Steam Proton / WINE) work wonders. Just click install and play :)
By "gamer", people usually mean professional e-sports players, I don't see these people play their LoL, Valorant, CS: GO on the Steam Deck for their career.
yeah.. which only work if ONLY play games on steam. and not everything on steam works perfectly. but hey they are investing so much into it. It will probably be better if it gets a lot of sales and users.
@@ChristopherCobra DecWar's publishers, when it starts hitting sales. Along with the publishers of other windows restricted titles. And the more people we have using Linux, the more essential those publishers will regard proper Linux support. Heck, for most of them it would just be a simple recompile anyway, so why not do it?
I've been messing around in Manjaro for a couple months now, and trying to get any game working has been a nightmare. My pc is all AMD, which is apparently supposed to be better for Linux? It took me over a week of troubleshooting to get Doom Eternal working. After all that messing around I was keen to start killing demons on Manjaro. I normally play with controller, so not it was time to set up my Xbox controller. Most of the info online is "it just works" but I'm very quickly discovering that phrase being used in the context of Linux is an oxymoron. I installed xpadneo, and paired my controller. So far so good. The controller was detected in the system, I was able to test it using the gamepad settings app in Manjaro. It also worked great in Steam Big Picture mode, so I confidently booted up the game, ready to play Doom Eternal on Linux for the first time... and... No controller responsiveness. Nothing. I managed to get the game to show Xbox buttons at one point, but it just didn't see the controller. Another day of troubleshooting. It turns out that enabling just the Xbox controller in Steam wasn't good enough. I also had to enable the generic ganepad. Why would I have to do this for an official Xbox One controller? No idea. From what I could find online this is supposed to fix compatibility with 360 controllers. Very counter intuitive in my opinion, and Valve should just roll the generic support into the Xbox support. Or enable it by default as "required" when Xbox is enabled, like some of the other options are. Why would I think to enable the generic option when Xbox is an option? So now my game works, my controller works. It was finally time. I got in game, started to play Horde mode and... Performance was good but inferior to my Windows install. So after all that time and effort, the promise of a gaming experience as good as Windows was a lie. I'm sure there are more tweaks I can make... But why bother at this point? Now that Doom Eternal works, that's only the second game in my large steam library I can confirm works. And none of the Linux based tutorials helped me get it working. You know what did? A tutorial for Windows that told me to install the VC libraries (an exe file for Windows) I installed it with Wine and the game started working.
@@arashkmahshidfar7780 it runs pretty well honestly. Definitely doesn't suck. But definitely doesn't run as well as it does on Windows on the exact same machine.
That is very close to my experience 2 years later, except with Mint and nvidia. I went in with knowing that nvidia is going to pose problems and I wanted to see to whether the "linux just works" and "nvidia has not been a problem for years" are actually reasonable and linux is an alternative. Though I had NO IDEA. It was absolutely miserable. I was able to solve 1 single issue in 20 hours and only thanks to a helpful person on discord, otherwise it was just hours upon hours of googling and reading threads that led nowhere. Unfortunately, pretty much all the tutorials/guides are either not meant to be read by a beginner, or they assume that everything will work flawlessly and that nobody will have any issue whatsoever. Countless of threads are filled with contradictory claims, so you don't know whether there is even a chance to resolve an issue, or if it will be a waste of time. And along the way, you are constantly being gas lighted, that xyz "just work" and is "great" or even "flawless", that nvidia aren't really that big of a problem, that linux runs faster smoother out of the box (not on my machine), that linux has less issues out of the box (not in my case), that you don't get breaking errors and bsosd like on windows (I have not heard or seen anyone having bsosd on windows for years and I am a gamer that works on PC, so me and everyone I socialize uses PC pretty much all day all week all year). So unfortunately, for the time being, windows is the only option I got. Let's hope it will get better in the future.
Even if you need to use Microsoft Office, you can easily setup a VM with VirtualBox or even Gnome Boxes to use that on a virtual Windows in there. Why? Simply because of the privacy issues you can sandbox that way. Overall you have more control, moving files between host system and a VM got quite convenient over the years. So it doesn't require much tinkering at all (probably nearly zero with Virtualbox... or at least everyone can do it). This is probably much better than dual-booting and you can even backup/snapshot your Windows to be safer of ransomware attacks. The only reason this is less attractive when you are gaming instead of dual-booting is that you would need a secondary GPU to pass-through. Otherwise the performance penalty is too high. But for document editing and such... VMs are totally fine.
Thank you for this, it honestly makes my experiences with using linux feel credible. Everytime I interact with people who are more "hardcore" users I mention I have hardware work on linux and what they say is buy new stuff. I do love linux but I can't fully switch like people say to do.
I tried randomly 10 of my Steam games under Linux. 8 of them worked without problems. However, the 2 games not working properly were Conan Exiles and X-Plane 12. But these are the most important games at all for me. So I kept using Windows, less trouble.
Another issues I have seen in forums is the attitude of "It's good enough". That simply does not apply to your average gamer/streamer. In that scenario, you want to provide the best possible experience to your viewers. Sadly, that often requires very high (or at least higher) end hardware to achieve. It is not about what you would tolerate but what your viewers will.
My issue with gaming is as follows: ●Any non-Arch-based distro (even easy ones like Mint, Ubuntu, Nobara, etc) have always had problems when gaming, Arch fixes these things for me ●When regarding games that are Incompatible, I haven't really had an issue with single player or open online games (by this I mean ones that don't use anti cheats, often also supporting modding, Minecraft and Terraria being great examples). It's when devs make anti cheats specifically designed to block Linux or when devs shut off Linux support that it becomes very annoying. Roblox shutting off Linux support is a good example, cause with even a lot of Wine tweaking and with the Grapejuice launcher I got nothing to work. It used to work, but not anymore sadly.
@@zhulikkulik Can't game in fullscreen mode (this has only worked on Vanilla Arch or Arch based distros and I have no idea why), wine sometimes randomly decides it doesn't want to work anymore, and performance when GPU bound on Nvidia hardware specifically (AMD and Intel is fine, and this doesn't just account for Linux Mint), is not great. Also, distros either have immense screen tearing when using an external monitor with my laptop (I have a gaming laptop), or in the case of Linux Mint specifically (I don't know how they do it and have been trying to figure this out for a while now), it doesn't tear and feels perfectly smooth, up until it gives you a gaping stutter every few seconds, both in the desktop and applications. And no, VSync doesn't help. I am also aware that XOrg usually needs both screens to be matched in resolution and refresh rate and I've done that, only got a fix in Tuxedo Linux and Mint never had that problem to begin with, I just don't get it.....
this is a timely video considering the second episode of Linus's linux series. I think it is important for people to talk about these things and become educated on all the pros and cons no matter what platform you choose to use.
I enjoy Linux for geeky and nerdy reasons, but these days I most use my computer to get my work done (which is web dev and graphic design). I used to use Linux as a daily driver back in the day, and while it made me fall in love with the Unix way of doing things and the terminal, I felt like I spent a non significant time tinkering with my OS or figuring out problems. Back then it was fine, but now a days I don't want to waste time wrestling with my OS. I still enjoy the Unix way, so I use a Mac as my daily driver and have been super happy for years. To me it really comes down to preference and your daily workflow and needs. Different OS'es fit for different people, and that's a good thing :)
As a hardcore gamer who have played lots of single/multi player games, I'd never ever consider Linux as my daily driver ever. Just like he said, PC games are made for Windows in mind. If Linux can't run every latest AAA games in maximum performance of your PC then don't say Linux is a better OS for gaming. Not even close, buddy.
Nobody has ever said that, not even hardcore Linux people. Most of them use Linux because of the bloat and telemetry and overall shoddiness of the recent versions of Windows.
Linux itself is the best game ever made. So complex and challenging. No one has ever beaten the final boss yet! Heck we don't even know where or what it is.
I appreciate your honesty. A lot of Linux people would try to convince you that the alternatives are just as good or better, but the reality is, in most cases, their simply not, for your average person.
Right or the actual amount of time wasted making something work when another tool or OS in this case can just make it work no issue...just use the tool that actually works for it. For those just with a hobby passion sure, but when you need things to just work, sometimes Linux just isn't the first choice, not for everything at least
This whole FOSS/propietary thing, companies do want YOU as a user to entrust them with the software /drivers they provide but they all have an agenda. First is the bus factor, if you buy a drawing tablet and the manufacturer goes belly up then how much does that tablet really cost? I mean, do wtv you want as a company but proprietary solutions should be cheaper because they have less worth for us in the long run. MS has done it so that specialized/obscure tech is expensive based on a myth. While FOSS belongs to humanity and can survive far better, so yeah, demand better prices from these proprietary companies and their solutions. Second is the whole "brand ecosystem" thing, I think RGB and its controllers should be standardized because I am of the thought that aesthetics are a psychological need also, and this is treated as a simple commodity. I should be able to buy any brand of MOBO, fans, RGB PSU, keyboard and mouse combo and set to anything I like with any software I want. How much is it worth this piece of RGB HW if I have to be forced into an ecosystem to have control over it? How much is worth **my choice**. Again, it is the myth of "special proprietary" being shoved down to us that we are letting take over.
I fully agree on everything you say here. One thing I'd like to add is the lack of backwards compatibility. Linux evolves so quickly that it's pretty common for old applications to just break randomly unless they're actively maintained. That is a huge problem for some people, particularly corporate IT. Welcome to my life. This is a big reason why many software companies do not publish Linux versions of their apps. They know all too well that if they do, they're signing up for a lifetime of product maintenance across multiple distros, and that'll just cost too much money for little to no gain. Besides that, pretty much nobody (in the corporate world) is asking for it either. I've been in big tech since the early 90s, and today pretty much everyone runs Linux (or BSD) on servers, and pretty much noone on desktops/laptops.
I got a laptop last year, and friends without asking me put linux mint on it because they where all crazy linux fans, I however wasn't pleased after trying for a bit, I for one wanted to just play and work on it without having to learn how to program the OS, second I found 8 out of 10 games I like just wouldn't run at all, maybe for some something could have been done with learning how to make things work with the terminal, I don't know why it bothered me so, like in Windows I liked to fix problems, usually other people's problems, I guess having to work out so many problems to get almost anything I want working just wasn't it for me, fixing a problem every now and again fine, having almost nothing work and trying to work out why or what to do and having to learn how to code the OS no thanks, I did try though, I really did try to work with the terminal, I really did, but I failed to get any game working besides those Steam natively supports on Linux, which is only a small percentage of all games I own and like to play, also constantly had issues with the WiFi for some still unknown reason, never worked out how to fix that either, bought a cheap Windows key, erased the drive, and installed windows on it, gone where all my problems, sure Windows isn't perfect, and the telemetry and spying on you and forced install of junk programs you don't want are not great to say the least, still, my experience has taught me what you said also, gaming on linux often just isn't a great experience, often Windows is simply better for it as pretty much all are made for Windows, also when using a free fake office for Linux I got shit with an organisation I work with, they got some incompatibility errors that couldn't be fixed, and they told me to just buy regular Office, also a friend who uses Linux once sent me a file which again gave incompatibility errors this time on my Windows machine, Windows showed it as an image file, whilst it was if I recall correctly a kind of text file, trying to open it as a image file led to if I remember correctly a corruption error so I couldn't open it, when I forcefully opened it with an editor which shows the code to find out what kind of file it was I saw it wasn't an image file at all in spite of Windows thinking it was, so no, despite the issues with Windows, I am not interested in going Linux any time soon again, as my experience that I didn't choose for wasn't a pleasant experience for me with what I want to do with my machine.
The Problem with the terminal is that it is blisteringly fast. BUT ONLY if you know all the commands, package names and other stuff by heart. If you're new, haven't used command lines isnce DOS days, sitting there and have to look up AND understand every single thing you type in the terminal is a heartbreakingly awful experience. And an infuriatingly slow one too. It takes months to get used to and you better have A LOT of free time and a good memory. And there is no other way to learn it than memorizing it like a bloody poem with ten thousand verses.
you can add DJ/music producer to that list because all the biggest names in the industry (Pioneer DJ, Native Instruments, Akai Professional, Ableton, Steinberg) collective give a whole zero eff about Linux support
I've made the switch to linux recently (i love it even with the headaches) and my troubles come from setting up a retro speedrun setup, its been fun i almost have it going! Unfortunately I havent found a way to run retrospy controller input display. So console game streamers might be able to make the switch if your capture card is supported in linux. I really think its worth to switch to linux if you dont have any big issues like gaming or proprietary software
I don't recommend linux for streaming at all. Games aside, Nvidia drivers on linux are really shitty (NVenc is way better than AMF, and way less resource intensive than x264), the OBS port for linux misses a lot of features and has a lot of bugs, and a lot of OBS plugins are not compatible with linux.
When it comes to computer operating systems, you don’t have to pick just one. You can have a windows computer for gaming, a Linux server or desktop for programming, a MacBook Pro for video editing and photoshop. You can have a computer that’s best suited for everything you like to do. Don’t get in the trap where you think you have to choose only one.
One of my thoughts is that with KVM being fairly robust now I would like to see something like Proxmox or Unraid but that's even more focused on an easy set up for consumer hardware so everyone can just use GUI and easily install things like GPU passthrough or gpu paravirtualization without being a very daunting task: the heavy lifting is already done so it's just making sure things like Proxmox improve even more to support these kinds of set up so it's basically a Linux machine but that virtualizes a Windows desktop: It would be transparent for most people but if it's done right and is convenient enough it would be like an even more powerful version of dual booting if you could just boot your Linux box to a very simple GUI that lets you pick "Ok Windows here, Linux here, Macos here" and that was it. That would help a lot more people get a lot more comfortable with transitioning into Linux full time and it's not as implausible as one might think.
I don't understand how that will help. Let's say I boot in this OS and it has like grub saying: * Linux * Windows Then I want to play game so I choose Windows. But while playing I open browser for something (maybe something for the game). Then when I'm finished playing and wanna do some browsing. Now I have 2 options: * I can just continue my browsing session (or open a browser) in Windows which takes 1-3 seconds * I can shut down Windows and launch Linux to open a browser. My current browser session is not gonna be there (or I'd have to go to "another devices session" screen in the browser to access the Windows session of I'm syncing session, bookmarks, etc. This is essentially the same as dual booting - you end up using Windows 90% of the time. Now what you're talking about is probably being able to run Linux + Windows at the same time and alt+tab between them but that requires 2 GPUs to be able to use them at the same time. And 1 of the CPU players (AMD) doesn't have iGPU in most of their CPUs so you'd need to spend extra money for 2nd GPU if you want to use Linux+Windows at the same time when you can just use Windows and do everything. Also in contrast to a few years back (2012-2015) now if you want to use Ryzen for PCI passthrough you have to spend a lot more money on mb because the IOMMU groups are trash on non-X570 motherboards. So you need beefy motherboard and 2 GPUs.
@@ivailogeimara Maybe it doesn't need to make sense as long as it seems convenient and attracts people ... because what the op described sounds like the kind of setup I'm currently looking for. I actually like Win10/11, once it's completely de-bloated, and I need it for CAD work. But I'm very interested in Pop-OS to get my feet wet and I've also come to like the idea of making snapshots and VM backups instead of running paid software in windows for scheduled backups. So my current plan is to install Proxmox, setup WMs for Win11, Pop and TrueNas, share storage between Windows and Linux so I can actually do stuff in Linux, but pass through GPU and some USB to the Windows VM so I can daily it as if it were on bare metal. My workstation has dual 2690 V3s, so 24C/48T with 128GB of Ram, so sacrificing some resources for the hypervisor and TrueNas VM wouldn't hurt me too badly. Overkill? Probably. But impractical? (not meant rhetorically, if you have experience with VMs and can spare the time I'd appreciate your input.)
3:30 years ago a jumped back to windows because I like gaming, it was a shame because I enjoyed the linux environment more, but what was the point of a cool desktop if I couldn't launch my favorite games?
I use Linux all the time on my pc and laptops. I use Windows at work. I am just a casual (not hardcore) gamer, but I enjoy gaming on Linux using dosbox , DeSmuME, and Steam. I use the free Libre Office for all my home office use and it is great! I stopped using Windows when Windows 7 security support ended and learned Windows 10 had no privacy at all and was sending almost all user data to Microsoft. Linux Mint is my distro of choice and I don't miss most of my old Windows apps (FastStone image viewer being one of a few exceptions). I have found alternatives for my Windows apps in almost every category (and all my Linux apps are free. I have spent exactly $0.00 on Linux apps). Having said all that, do what works well for you in your particular situation, whether using Linux, Windows, Apple (or a combination).
I'd love to ditch Microsoft, but unfortunately for Linux I couldn't even get started. No sound, my monitor refresh rate would revert back to 60 after each restart/sleep, I couldn't hotkey my mouse, or change the speed of scrolling, etc. It was rather basic stuff that after decades of comfort I wasn't willing to give up. I'll make a separate Linux PC soon with much lower expectations for mainly simple internet use and some media because I love the notion of Linux.
Fair assessment. I‘m using on Windows for my Desktop and Linux on several VMs. Tried Linux several times on the desktop but it just doesn‘t work for me because of games. Even Dual-boot is not an option for me, because it means updating and maintaining 2 os instead of 1.
@@nor-bert He's mainly referring to game updates. Downloading GBs of mandatory updates when you're just trying to hop on and play with some friends quick isn't an ideal scenario.
I'm honestly glad you made this video. I recently watched your older "Gaming On Linux Is Better Than Windows" video, and that video left a bad taste in my mouth because it's just not true, and I felt like you were (unintentionally, perhaps) lying to your audience.
@@SnowyRVulpix Linux has demonstrably lower processing overhead than windows which really matters for multithreaded math/science tools bit doesnt really mean that much for games
Gaming? Really? Tell that to the people with a steamdeck; or the people that run valve's proton. Unless you play serious competitive games with draconian anticheat; its very likely the game will run just fine nowadays. At this point, gaming is probably the least of your worries. It's just.. .everything else.
If you produce music of any kind. Good luck to you on Linux. Things have definitely improved, especially within the last decade, but Linux is still domain of people who just use a web browser, programmers and systems engineers.
For music production you need to use JACK instead of Pulse ( however the latest development is that pipewire will replace both of these). I know VST's has been an issue, not sure that is still an issue.
Eh, "music of any kind" is a little too much; tracker music works just fine! But yes, I wouldn't even try to get my Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol to work on Linux as anything other than a basic MIDI controller, for example...
What finally made me switch entirely to Linux (Mint Cinnamon) was a laptop that was clogged by Windows 10 and a desktop that suffered a hard drive failure, making me reinstall Windows 7, only to be unable to find the driver that would recognize a 1920 x 1080 monitor. I'd been using LibreOffice and Gimp for years by that point, and Mint is like the best that Windows 7 had to offer without any of the toddler behavior that is the curse of any Microsoft product. If the apps that I use on my iPhone are ever made available on a Linux phone, I'll go entirely Linux from then on.
I really appreciate your videos of this nature. Like you say, a lot of people oversell Linux. For me, that's a real turn-off because I've had enough experience with Linux to know that it's not the silver bullet that some advocates make it out to be. For a large class of users, I think you can really make do with Linux, Windows, or Mac. Although if you're really into Gaming, Windows is likely going to have substantial advantages. And in other areas, Linux and Mac have substantial advantages too. I have an older machine that has always been challenged by Windows 10 and even though I'm going to try giving it a SSD I suspect I'm probably going to try a Linux distro on it because that's one of the areas in which you might do better with Linux. And fortunately, my Epson printer does work with Kubuntu, which is likely going to be my distro of choice... although I don't recall if I got any of the scanning functions working! It's just nice with your videos to get away from these extreme Linux advocates that act like it's Linux do, or die! Frankly, for a lot of users going to the trouble of learning a whole new operating system just isn't going to be worth it. If you already have years of experience in Windows, Mac, or Linux, for many users it's just not worth the trouble. If you're techier, maybe, but for many users, no way. It's like, so if it's a Toyota, Ford, or Nissan... they don't care. If they push on the gas pedal, stir the steering wheel, and the car gets them from point A to point B that's all they really care about. Familiarity with the interface makes a bigger difference than anything else. All the experience built up over years in how to get whatever you need to get done does count for quite a bit.
Y'know, the one lesson that I think none of these 'try linux' videos have adequately communicated is that switching cold turkey to linux is a really bad idea. There will be software packages that you need that's a hassle to get going when you switch. I've always advocated for a more gradual switch for people who are interested. For the first month, just play with linux on a VM and figure out what you can get running without any tinkering. Once you have a solid read on that, dual boot linux+windows and use the linux partition just for productivity/school. Libreoffice works just fine out of the box and is compatible with Word 99% of the time. Things like matlab have linux versions that are well supported. Anything that doesn't work, run on windows. Most of your games will fall under this category. After you're comfortable with the dual boot situation, experiment with porting windows only software one-by-one to linux. Start with a single non-steam game (for example) and experiment with getting it running on lutris. Do this one by one and gradually reduce the number of software packages that you absolutely need windows to run. Eventually, you'll get to the point where you're naturally using linux all the time except for that one game running anti cheat that there's no workaround for. At that point, you can make the call and decide to uninstall windows. Congrats! You've transitioned to linux without having a meltdown on an online forum.
Do people expect that when they change from MAC to Windows or from Windows to Mac that all of their Hardware ans Software will still work? Why do they think Linux will do that?
Actually i do, i am quite hating on a MacBook pro that i got from work to work from home because it has that shitty command key plus it detects my fancy mouse as a keyboard. I rather linux than mac to be honest, at least with a linux i can customize it until it is basically windows with a mac i can't even do that, at least not without jumping more hoops than necesary.
@@MegaManNeo mac people promote macos as an alternative too. The only difference is that, most of the time, you don't have to buy new hardware for linux
I think it's different, On Mac, almost everything working just like in Windows. Any software that's industry standard have support both on Windows and Mac (except 3DsMax for unknown reason). Everything work just the same if not consider how different we interact with computer in basic way. Also, almost all external gadget are working in Mac OS as in Windows. The downside of Mac is that it supported only the internal hardware that's similar or the same as what Apple has been put in their prebuilt. (How should I put it?, It's like only some specific model of graphic card and CPU can be usable in Mac but every printer scanner or camera in the market can work with Mac because historically those are supported by Mac before Windows) So, it's not that everything is working but most of the thing that's not the main parts of the computer are. So it's work just like Windows but can't upgrade the system spec itself. And also it can't run games as well as Windows as games are application that wrote just for Windows. Linux have the same problem in gaming but outside of that it's opposite. You can change the system as much as you want and linux can still working properly but most industry standard software aren't supported and most external gadgets are unsupported as well. And this happened because those gadgets/peripherals manufacturer didn't care to supported Linux and those software producers didn't want to port their software to Linux as they don't consider Linux as a professional platform that must use their software.
Console gamers, hearing "Windows just works when it comes to games"! It's one of the things that's made me laugh with the hubbub from LTT series. Windows folks talking about how Windows "just works", having spent decades having that back and forth with Console gamers about why PC's worth the extra agro over consoles.
I remember when Fallout 3 first came out with Windows Vista, if you believe Windows just works when it comes to games, you would of thrown windows out back then. I was using Zorin back then and it played Fallout 3, 10 times better then winblows. Plus if you own about 10 computers like I do, well Winblows can only be used on one computer at a time, unless you can buy a multi pack.
@Manthan Kaushal Dude, it's an amusing anecdote, chill. If you want something more recent, how about the certificates expiring for native applications within months of the latest release. Or the (forced) Windows Updates that brick people's machines. The the malware all over the place, hijacking people's data and holding hostage for ransom. Computers are complicated and unintuitive.
@@stansova3138 Which that time most people either doesn't know Linux exist or even cared about Linux. Although GFWL had ruined it on Windows Vista. But now GFWL is finally patched out from YEARS later.
I jumped the Microsoft ship 4 to 5 months ago, first tried Mint for a couple of weeks but ended up daily driving Manjaro Gnome. Haven't looked back since. It does what I need it to do, including gaming and it has treated me well. Can't say I miss anything Windows used to offer. Maybe it's not for everyone but it's definitely for me.
The dual-boot is not a very good idea for a working/playing setup. In the best case, you won't use one of your OSs all that much or at all, and it will be a waste of time and space. I've been on dual-boot of Win 7 and different Linux distros for 5+ years and Linux wasn't more than a toy for me during that time. Things changed only when my old Win 7 broke and refused to reinstall, so I had to pick a solution, which was to migrate on Linux. Since then I never had any regrets about doing that. Just remember, like in anything things will be rough until they are smooth, but Linux is 100% more rewarding once you get to know it well enough
anyone who works in a corporate or enterprise environment simply can't use linux desktops. Even the dev teams would use a hybrid setup. It's extremely rare to see any organizations that can be pure linux.
On my corporate machine I installed WSL, Terminal, VS Code, OpenSSH support in support and Windows and that has really helped. That makes my life so much easier. I can still use all the Linux tools I need and have access to all the Windows corporate stuff also.
I feel like a "person already typing down below" person, but to do with the gui: The issue isn't just that there are things you can't do in the gui you can in a terminal, it is that most tutorials use the terminal because it is consistent across distros. Now I just realised my package manager can handle aur, then padcman can't, I feel as though I can just use it. I like using the terminal for these things, at times, tho. Is it necessary for some things, yes. Can someone get by without it, yes. Can it be faster than a gui, yes, but for an "average" user it is a lot slower than using a gui because they can't type out the directory as fast as they can just open a new tab in their file manager and just drag and drop. The only time where I see it is an issue is someone downloading a tar bell file and need to install it (these are a personal hatred of mine, but that could be a rant in it of itself).
Very nice. This is like the best warning to anyone trying to daily drive linux. Daily driving versus trying it out is like the difference between moving to a place where you don't speak the language versus going on a vacation there. If you have other goals than to just move to that place in that same time frame they may conflict and you may end up moving back because it "just didn't work out." This video definitely helps set the expectations for a new user a bit better. :-)
@@worldhello1234 In my experience, gaming seems alright. I use Steam and have played Bioshock, Bioshock 2 from beginning to end. These are Windows only. Bioshock Infinite: I played the Linux version. There is the need to fix up a value in a certain INI file else low resolution textures are used. Duke Nukem Forever runs fine. Euro Truck Simulator: there is a Linux version. Works fine. Ghostbusters: I think I didn’t try it. Left 4 Dead 2: I play the Linux version all the time. RetroArch: I use it a few times a week to try out SNES games. Tomb Raider : I bought it but don’t have time right now. Battlefield 1 : they did a bunch of fixes and now it runs much better. The FPS nearly matches what I was getting under Windows. This is one of my favorite games. I just don’t feel like dual booting. I prefer running them through PROTON or have the Linux version.
I learned visual design work via Adobe's products like most people. Photoshop/Illustrator specifically. I actually started using GIMP on Windows before I ever moved to Linux, and when I did make the switch Inkscape was a pleasant surprise.
As for using the terminal: just being able to replace a long and thirsty search through loads of GUI menu layers with a simple copy-pasted command is so extremely convenient!
Yes for sure, however if the community wants to get more people to switch to Linux, provide them with GUI counterparts! I mean you can even put the commands inside the GUI just like "ChoEazyCopy" for Windows! This will definitely help people use the command line if they want to get more efficient.
... As long as you know the exact command with the exact syntax for what you want to do. Otherwise replace that "long and thirsty" search through gui settings with a long and tedious time using a search engine in your Web Browser.
@@link1565V2 This is what nobody wants to talk about in the Linux community. Everybody says "Just learn Linux, don't expect it to be like Windows," but the reality is that the documentation for Linux mostly sucks. It is fragmented, usually outdated, contradictory, and often just plain wrong, or irrelevant to the user who is trying to solve a basic problem, like getting the keyboard or monitor to work. Not much you can do in Linux without a keyboard and monitor. Every distro I've tried, Ubuntu, Mint, Zorin, etc.that claims to be user friendly, has had significant problems just connecting to an HDMI monitor and wireless keyboard. The solution? Switch to Windows to configure your wireless devices, and you can always depend on luck to get your monitor to work. After all, if it doesn't work today, it might magically work tomorrow. Really?
The "over promise, under deliver" is a general trait of software developers. When planning any software development you plan time for all the things you can think of, you triple it to allow for all the things you didn't think of and then half way through you realise your gonna have to drop half the planned features to get it out the door a month late.. it's not our fault computers are dumb.... of course I didn't mean to pass a pointer to f**k all.
Number 1 and 2 was the reason I come back from PopOS! to Windows. I really really need to use Offce 365 and I play a lot of games on Steam, Xbox, Epic, EA Play and Ubisoft (not mentioning PS and Xbox console), and more and more I was using more linux the windows to another daily jobs. Because, I was already on Windows to play or use Office, then I start to think why would I shutdown the WIndows and login no PopOS! (was dual boot) just to use linux, if I already logged in on WIndows and could do the same tasks I usually do.. Other reason was VMWare Workstation I really need to use this software for work, and on Linux it freezes more than my refrigerator (p.s. I have a hell of a machine, so, it wasn't the hardware resources)..... But I don't deny, I miss use Linux and I love Gnome workflow.
just on the VMWare point - could you not try using KVM on Linux instead? It's also a type 1 hyper-visor like ESXi in VMWare and it's also literally built into the Linux kernel
Is it really faster to use the terminal, it seems that you are trading searching through a gui for searching through google? Also if I need to use windows for work or whatever, what would a good example of software that is linux exclusive? Or is it just the extreme customizability that would make someone want to install linux?
I was thinking this. Once you know a command I suppose it might be quicker, then again most people would probably remember a GUI location easier than memorising a command to type.
@@jonathanellis6097 no commands are faster, because you just need to remember it. In a GUI you might remember the location, but if the option is in sub menu 5 you still have a lot of mouse navigation to do before you eventually actually execute anything.
The reason I use Linux at work is because I have all the tools I need to do my job. I don't get bogged down because I have to many programs open. I don't have a day when IT Operations decided to push a new major update taking half of my workday to complete before I can actually start working. I can customise my workflow to fit my way of working. Instead of having to find my RDP program to login to a server that then takes a few minutes to configure my profile, I can instead use SSH and get into the server after a few seconds in the terminal.
I switched from windows to Linux about a month ago. I'm running Mint, learning the terminal, and moving my hardware to Linux compliance. I'm building a PC next year, and it will be set up as a Linux compliant box. So far, I've found this process much easier than I expected.
I think the last point about hardware/driver support is the biggest hurdle for most newcomers. I've learnt the hard way that to get the best experience on Linux you really ought to pick peripherals and components carefully.
Really commend you for the truth spoken in this video. I like Linux because it feels so lightweight and it's a nice break from seeing the same boring desktop of Windows. But the Linux community is what I can't stand. They keep telling me I'm wrong and that I haven't installed the right drivers on my Linux or whatever BS excuse they can think of. It's good to see there are a few Linux lovers who tell you like it is. I WANT Linux to succeed, maybe in 5 years we get gaming to be fully compatible with Linux at least with the upcoming games because of SteamDeck? But as of now, it's not worth daily driving Linux being a serious gamer.
A developer OS -- lol. It takes a lot to resist calling out that you probably have more than a few consumer devices running Linux - maybe a TV, phone, or watch. And daily, as you use the internet and consume services over the internet, your bank, Netflix, RUclips...yeah, 99% running on Linux too. Internet infrastructure (DNS, routing)? That's running Linux for sure and there probably isn't a single Windows OS running there. If that stuff was running Windows -- at least historically speaking, a lot of worse stuff would have happened in terms of performance and security problems. The internet would not have progressed as far and fast as it has today by a mile. I would tell the original guy "Knife Guy Gamer" to take "wanting Linux to succeed" and shove it. If you don't see that it is already an immense success, you're beyond bonkers ignorant.
@@EbonySeraphim desktop Linux and some server are two very different things. The fact that your smart fridge runs Linux really well does not make Ubuntu, Manjaro, etc. any less bad. and it makes you seem extremely disingenuous to pretend that some toaster is close relevant in a discussion of desktop Linux.
@@michaellhoover94 no…Linux is Linux. “Desktop Linux” is just applications, libraries, and graphical display and other “PC” presumed hardware put together to make an experience. The core to how Linux runs software is no different in “desktop” and “server” unless you’re running it wrong in desktop in the first place. Don’t call me disingenuous because you don’t have a clue what this is/means.
all of these apart from the photoshop one apply to me, this is a good video just to quickly make a decision. I would have to sacrifice multiple games and mods, I had to use office365 to get through college, and I don't wanna be troubleshooting Linux whilst everyone else is getting work done, 99% of people prefer a GUI, this one speaks for itself, and incompatibility is a pain absolutely, made worse by my nvidia GPU.
Add a #6 to the list - music production and audio editing. This is perhaps the biggest weakness of Linux and its most underdeveloped aspect. Recent improvements have been made, however with the market share being so small most developers don't even bother with Linux support. Hopefully, this will change one day.
I went over to Mint about 6 months ago I was tired of windows endless updates and total control. I am far from an expert on linux but I have found it really is not that hard to leave Windows most of the products I use regularly I have found linux based programs that are as good and some better than what was out there for Windows. Yes, I still have a Windows computer but I am finding myself using it less and less so I guess I am becoming a Linux convert. You are partly responsible for that so please keep teaching me.
gaming is the only thing that prevents me to turning into a full linux user. i hope the compatibility gets better with the time to a point that's worth it to use linux for gaming.
Great video, I've been doing my own Linux challenge and I like to play games. Its not been smooth sailing in that respect. You really hit the nail on the head on reasons why Linux may not be a good fit. I really want Linux to work, but its not a good fit. I'm a big believer of getting the right tool for the job.
I would like to eventually turn my Asus gaming laptop into a Linux machine, once I get a gaming pc. But I don't think that's going to happen due to the programs of Asus not being compatible with Linux. I want to buy an old Thinkpad but god did Covid bump all kinds of prices of various things including Thinkpads. I'll have to see tho.
Linux gaming also depends on what your idea of gaming is. I play things like Alpha Centauri and Harpoon, very old games that run just fine in Wine. Now if you are gaming online with things like Call of Duty and Diablo, then you are going to have some trouble, because that kind of gaming is essentially a social act, and society by and large is not running Linux, and so is not configured for it. (Ironically, most of the gaming servers probably are running Linux under the hood.) Now again, if you are willing to change your idea of gaming and maybe give some things up, Linux has a large library of very good games like 0 AD and Sauerbraten. Don't be afraid of getting stuck with Tux Racer...believe me, you won't.
I'm still using linux because for me it was a breeze when i transitioned. I have a AMD GPU and i don't have obscure stuff to break, even the accelerometer in HP elitebook laptop works (too much in debian)
using linux when u can already do everything on windows is like buying a ferrari F8 Tributo when u already have a bugatti Chiron Noire.....pointless waste of time and investment!
Dunno if I agree about gaming, I get a mutch smoother gameplay in most games on linux, and they look better then in windows. Ofc some games dont run at all or run bad, but I usually avoid those, take for ex now, pathfinder wrath of the righeous overheats my cpu in windows, but in linux I can run it without it crashing, its almost 5 c lower temp, taking me from 95+ C to 90c at most if I didnt ran linux I would not have been able to play that game. And a time ago, kings bounty game kept crashing constantly when played on windows, in linux no crashes at all.
I agree that Linux is honestly great for gaming! I have a quadruple boot machine running windows, mint cinnamon, mint xfce, & Manjaro. I definitely use Linux for 99% of my gaming. All the game’s run much faster on Linux and the whole desktop is wicked fast. I have a low end laptop and it’s great! Definitely brings life to older machines!
@1:49 Tinkering as little as changing the Windows version of your Proton prefix, using a patched exe file etc. Mafia II Classic requires a patched exe file and the start option D9VK. :) @2:17 It is quite the opposite for Manhunt. It works seemless with Proton but requires tweaking on Windows 10. :) @4:37 If you have games in your library that run poorly or not at all on Linux, then it might be the case. I have none of those games AFAIK. :)
"If you are a hardcore gamer, DON'T USE LINUX.." Wisest words ever heard. Thanks for stepping up and just plain saying it, Chris. When a game works on Linux, I play it on Linux (ie: Dota 2) but if a game is not supported, I don't waste time trying to make it run on Linux and jump back to windows only to play the game and once I'm done, I go back to Linux.
It's getting better day by day. Of my Steam library, now there are less then 50 of the nearly 700 games that aren't supported by native ports or Proton.
Usually what people call “hardcore gamers” play competitive games, which means that those games require anticheat. Hopefully it’ll be better soon, but we’ll see.
@9:06 Not necessarily. You don't NEED to use it but those in the know have an advantage over those who don't. @11:05 Yes, if you don't use obscure hardware but pretty common stuff you have little to no problems. @13:47 Legacy harware is the opposite. It is better supported on Linux. :)
As far as terminal goes I love it. I started creating software in DOS many moons ago. I have to use Windows for work but I still user CMD and Powershell constantly! I'd rather go into cmd than Windows Explorer :) I guess I'm wired like that. I love Linux and have used it since a whole distro would fit on a floppy disk. Command line is nothing to be scared about.
Dual-booting was definitely the way to go for me. I loved using Linux as my daily driver and then rebooted into Windows for gaming, MS Office, and other software that didn't have a Linux version. Nowadays I mainly use macOS because it was the best alternative (as far as Unix environments go). I still miss Linux, but two issues really made me sour on it. First, my filesystem seemed to stop working and I could not write any new files. Second, my DE (Cinnamon) just randomly would not load anymore. I'm sure it's probably my fault, but I can't think of anything I did caused these issues, I was always careful when deleting packages and had not installed/deleted anything after it was working. In both cases it happened at the worst moment during important university projects. Maybe I could have rescued them, but for a noob like me, the faster option was always just to reinstall the OS. After that I kinda wanted something that just works.
It has happened to me a few times on Kubuntu that the file system becomes read only. This happens so that the file system does not get damaged further. When I booted up, it would reach a point called Busybox. It is always good to have a second PC to look up for a solution. The solution worked a few times, and then I decided to reinstall everything on another HDD and that problem came back only once. I did a full scan of the previous HDD and there were no bad sectors. Maybe the HDD is just getting old? On Kubuntu, it is a good idea to have 2 or 3 other accounts in case something happens to the first. Linux is a learning process. You have to figure out these things or ask around. I am a noob as well.
That's what I said on Linus's daily Linux gaming challenge video. It's impractical. If you primarily run Windows software use Windows. To switch to Linux means to primarily use software native to it. Don't be a Windows user on Linux. Back when I daily drove Linux I was primarily playing games with native ports.
Unfortunately For my chipset, Pentium B960, Linux supports OpenGL3.3 which is required for Latest Blender versions. But windows drivers can support only upto OpenGL 3.1 🥺
I do believe that the recent light that's being shined on Linux is probably going to make things better for the Linux gamer. Distros are going to keep improving and the community is going to keep putting out software and updates. Hopefully.
As a hardcore photo and video editor, you also have to look carefully as Windows vs Mac, as the released versions of apps for different os's can lead to a lot more work. Some apps in windows have features that mac does not and vice versa. If there is no dedicated support for an app that is evolving in any os, either skip the app or selectively boot / switch machines. It's easier to make compatible file systems vs work around features like cutting out frizzy hair from a background or merge a 3d fx into 4k and 8k video.
"Linux community over promises and under delivers." Sometimes I think people using Linux are so used to finding workarounds or accepting less convenient alternatives that they forget it's a skill one needs to develop.
I agree; albeit I think Linux is great, but like all operating systems it’s not amazing at everything. Even windows and Mac aren’t good at everything; some are just easier than others. I.E. Microsoft is good for gaming and most people who don’t want to learn a lot about a computer. Mac is amazing for creative endeavors, whereas Linux is for people who love learning new things and digging farther into how computers work.
@@justinsooroojdeen425 Agree. Although I use Linux, I'm nowhere as biased to Linux as some linux elitist are, I stay for what's the truth. And the truth is If Windows has a simple bug, the linux community (the bad one, not the good people) will laugh their A**es, while if Linux has a bug in the desktop, "its the users' fault"....Also I see many Linux RUclipsr saying total nonsense things about Windows which isn't true at all. I have no objections telling a bad thing bad, but which things aren't true about Windows, they say those things also!
Yea, and Microsoft constantly lies and believes THEY own your computer. Apparently too many weak pathetic fools like being treated with contempt by a corrupt corporation. If more people actually put some effort into using Linux, instead of whinging it would be better.
@@justinsooroojdeen425
There will never be the year of the Linux desktop simply bc Linux is not the first. In the OS world, you have to be the first.
Windows was the first. Microsoft goal was to deliver to businesses, to make a desktop OS for office workers and home users. They have invested a lot of time to make their GUI user friendly, even for IT people and people doing admin work on Windows Server or Azure.
In the CPU world, Intel is the first. It was the first when IBM chose the 8086 and 8088. Very few people choose Cyrix, AMD and IDT.
Yes, I know that AMD was a secondary fab for Intel bc it was part of the contract with IBM.
To this day, nearly all businesses and average joe prefer Intel CPUs.
@@justinsooroojdeen425
Oh, don't get me wrong. I have switched to Linux since a couple of years. Linux as a desktop OS has come a long way. It is very usable.
It was easy since I use the same Firefox, Chromium, Brave, the same Steam. I replaced Visual C++ with Qt Creator.
I still use Paint Shop Pro but I run it via WINE. This is bc some features of Krita are weird for me.
If I want MS Paint, I use KolourPaint.
For video editing, Shotcut has a Windows and Linux version.
Windows only games like Bioshock, Bioshock 2, Duke Nukem Forever run fine on Linux through Steam.
It looks like Battlefield 1 is running pretty well as well.
Linux can be installed by any techie. Probably most gamers have installed Windows a bunch of times and with some coaching, they can get use to Linux. A technie can help out their family.
It has to be installed by us since you are unlikely to find a store selling a PC with Linux preinstalled.
Average joe doesn’t even know what an OS is and PC makers don’t want the hassle.
So, these are reasons why there won’t be a year of the desktop Linux.
0:36 Gaming
4:38 Microsoft Office
5:31 Photoshop
7:15 Ecosystem of Linux
9:39 Hardware compatibility
That's alot of things
Thanks
I'm not sure why would he pay for win11 and microsoft office, especially office, it's extremely buggy, performance issues, features usually don't work. No reason to buy it, also it's closed source.
thanks a lot OverDrift
Saved me alot of time- thanks. Totally got click baited still though, unfortunately
Music production is another area where I think Linux is still behind Windows. Not necessarily because of DAW software - Reaper runs fine on Linux for example, but plugins, virtual instruments and the like are often windows and mac only.
Agreed on that too. The lack of plugins is a pain point but managing audio in general is a pain point on Linux.
I've done music production on Linux and I'd say yes and no. Linux is far ahead Windows and Mac when it comes to music production in many aspects, but it is behind when it comes to plugins and hardware compatibility. Most of them are made for Windows and you have to run them through Wine and they don't always work that way. 90% of the time it is a problem with DRMs, though. My tip if someone is thinking in using Linux for music production, make sure that everything you buy works on Linux. Just this will save most of the headaches.
I an actually running a recording studio with linux as my main daw. I am an almost day one bitwig adopter, so the transition was pretty smooth. I use mainly built in plugins for mixing and lots of hardware synths so plugins were not much of an issue
Kontakt 5 works in case i need exotic stuff (through airwave)
There is a decent gui to alsamixer which allows me to tweak and reprogram my sound card even more than on the native software (mac and win only) i also use muse score for notation which works perfect natively! My point is you can get a decent music production experience on linux unless you are married to a certain daw or vst. Is it for everyone? Definitely no, but if you actually know what you are doing and are ready to try doing it in a different way- give it a go. You might enjoy it the way i qnvfor the past 5 years
yeah, i'll consider music production to be far far more important point than "MS Office" since for the former, no equivalent alternates exist. while for MS-O it's just like some particular xyz is stubborn and cant switch to OpenOffice despite being equivalent.
unless MS-O provides some tool extremely vital for their organisation for example Excel, or Access. but those who cant switch from MSword/ppt etc, they just dont want to.
Plugins (which are mostly VST) are not going to work properly due to licensing.
Now what about a video like "5 things you should use Linux for!"
1. Private computing
2. Command-line (fast, efficient) computing
3. Education--deeper learning about computing in general
4. Maker purposes: sbcs, iot applications
5. Repurposing old or weak computer hardware
Bonus: Enjoying Linux itself: ui customization, distro hopping etc
@@theo_jeff
1. win is private too , do you think all the companies would use win if their stuff could be leaked out ?
2. win has command line
3. you can learn as much on win as linux
4. heh? can be done on win too for sure
bonus? distro hopping is horrible it clearly shows you are not confident with your distro
I see Chris has a shirt that says variant, probably in reference to the Omicron strain of Covid-19.
By the way, I am looking forward to seeing people use the Valve Steam Deck in 2022. :)
@@theo_jeff
1. Supercomputing
2. Inflight Entertainment Systems
3. Smart Home/Automation
4. Gaming (Valve Steam Deck)
5. Software Programming
@@orkhepaj I have to *agree* with you on the bonus one, cos distro hopping basically shows that the user is not satisfied with their Linus operating system.
What I *disagree* with: Windows is not very secure for everyday home users, cos they log keystrokes, and can easily catch a virus.
As a hardcore linux user. You are on point. It is what it is. And we should work forward to make it better hopefully.
It has allready become way way better :) 10 years ago it was basically unusable for an average youser. I, personally tried linux many times an was unable to use it Only around 2015 I finally started and I was happy with it :)
Yup this is the way.
@@bolek158 True, but still lacks a lot.
You know a lot of useless platitudes for a hardcore linux user, that is for sure and the rest is just undue praise without substance. :)
Absolutely correct, i am becoming a intermediate Linux user slowly since, i have been improving understand Linux and its several distros. we should work hard and do better and i can confirm we are reaching great heights.
I run ALL my games on Linux, and there are many of them. And something in me really, like really wants to dislike this video, regardless of the counter, because... Well, it works. But I can't. Because what Chris is saying is true: SOME games are not so simple to get going. It's not a showstopper by any means, but you need to keep in mind that tinkering WILL be REQUIRED at least at some point and with SOME games. And if you don't LIKE doing that, you might get annoyed and rage-quit... Well... The whole OS. And when you do like doing that and just getting a game working is a game in itself for you, it's quite easy to forget that many people are simply not like that. Giant kudos for Valve for making this easier on the less tech-inclined user.
Better than running Windows and being a slave to the Bill Gates universe IMHO. Otherwise I use a PS4
@@Baruch-Hashem ah yes one corporation for another
Sometimes it's not as much as getting it to work as much as getting it to work AS WELL AS Windows. I have 836 games on Steam as of today, and I've tried a bunch of them over the last year. And many of them turned my Vega 64 into an RX 580. That is just unacceptable. It's fine for all pixel art indies, sure because I'm getting 144 fps anyway at that point.
@@Baruch-Hashem Being a slave to Windows is dumb, but being a slave to Sony isn't? ok.
I have seen people struggling with some games under Windows as well. The graphics drivers are reinstalled, Windows is reinstalled, all kinds of other programmes are installed and uninstalled just because the game freezes or crashes over and over again. So even under Windows, it's not always just install and it runs.
When I retired from the IT industry I still had friends/relatives who expected me to provide support for their PC issues. Fortunately, most don’t do much beyond web browsing and lightweight word processing/graphics. I managed to transition almost all of them to Cinnamon Mint and have consequently reduced their demands on my time to almost zero! I spent more than a year doing everything possible using Mint and only running what was only possible in Windows in a VM. As you say Chris, over-promising and under-delivering is the big downside to Linux, but then that’s been the norm in the computer industry since the very beginning!
Heartfelt thanks for your W10 debloat script BTW. Your blood’s worth bottling as we say here in the Land of Under.
I actually did the same having my mom(76) on mint since I built her a PC. I actually had her on mint on her dying laptop before hand cause I was getting called all the time.. now.. she loves her computer.
I had a horrible experience trying to get it to work with my 3080ti with Nvidia proprietary drivers. I gave up and switched back to Windows
@@timothygibney159 What kind of issues have you been running into? I've installed linux on my new PC featuring a 3080 and proprietary drivers ~2 weeks ago and everything seems to work just fine out of the box, even including DLSS in games.
@@westonbean9674 LOL... ya... Linux is great for old people... they just browse and they like to click every button offer ... on Linux they are safe of virus and malware....
@@luiscarlosvieira3966 Network Chuck made some browser app that gives you a throw away browser. He had his daughters click on a bunch of malware and the computer itself was safe.
I've used Linux exclusively since 2010 as a fulltime freelance illustrator, and honestly I'm not sure anyone could pay me to switch back to proprietary systems. My loadout: Krita for illustration (the multibrush engine absolutely crushes any commercial app I've tried, which is most of them), GIMP for batch photo processing, Inkscape for posters and covers (vector layout over raster art), Synfig Studio for vector animation, kdenlive for video compositing, Audacity and Ardour for audio editing, and Scribus for book layout and printing. I live a comfortable life with this array and every program listed has made me significant chunks of money.
Ask yourself: Why Linux?
If the asnwer is something along with: "Because I'm told to" or "Because the other cool kids are"
Then you're in for a bad time. Don't. Just... don't. Spare yourself the embarrassment and time. Stay on windows. There is where you're doing well. You do *not* want to use Linux in any way, shape or form. Stay away!
If the answer is: "Because it has " or "I want to learn"
Then.. Welcome! Head over to the community channels and say hi. We'll help you along.
What if you just hate Microsoft and want to cut the cord?
Because i'm afraid of microsoft windows.
But i could just use windows with wsl and that windows app store to just use any linux software on windows flawssely with very few exceptions, even GUI ones. OFC using wsl is using Linux, but it is not stopping to use windows.
In general, i would prefer if Microsoft just did their own linux distro that works like windows more or less and i would just use that.
I fell into linux rabbit hole because i heard that linux is much faster than windows. Because of that, my little brain monkey decided that linux is better to gaming than windows.
Turns out it wasn't. So after that, i decided to stick with linux a bit because the command line seems cool. Because of me learning the command line, i started to develop this personality idk what to call it but rather "Found problem? Fix it.".And that's how i fallen for linux, gentleman
"I want to be free" is another good reason.
Simply if you switch to Linux, you already acquired the "Tinkerer" badge, not using the Terminal is just refusing to level up your experience. I love how honest this video is, i hate FOSS advocates who just shove GIMP down anyone saying PS throats, it is not always an option, Use whatever gives you the most value for your life, I personally use Linux because i like control, i like tinkering around and i like how fast and lightweight i can make it
Yeah just cause a piece of software is OSS doesn't exempt it from criticism, compared to say how blender has turned out, actually competing with paid alternatives, Gimp is a long way off
@@CianMcsweeney agree
This is the type of mentality that holds FOSS from being a true option for all users, linux distributions need to get better, this is not the way to create software, things need to work for population in general not for the gate keepers, people need a true option from propetary software not just a promise of something, terminal being a most have skill on linux distribution is a huge problem and it will end when the software for users mentality is adopted and the "tinkerer" mentality leaved as a nice option, sorry for my english, is not my first language
@@Viruskiller82 Many good points here.
@@Viruskiller82 It’s one thing to say that Linux distributions need to get better; it’s another thing entirely to *make* them better. Given the constraints that distro creators are working under, ensuring that no one ever needs to use the terminal for anything at all would be a gargantuan effort. For one thing you’d need to ensure that all hardware worked perfectly out of the box and was configurable through a gui. I suspect this is only doable for curated hardware setups, like Android phones or the Steam Deck.
totally agree. What I tell everyone is if a Chromebook handles all your computing needs then you can probably put mint or ubuntu on a thrift store pc and do your deal. If you need to use specific software or hardware for a workflow your better off getting a $15.00 OEM key and go winblows. I have likes and dislikes for every platform. I played WOW for a year on mint and the game ran fine but it was a knife fight in a closet every time my addons were updated. my game rig is windows (and you help me keep it debloated), I have a raspberry pi with your OS to run discord and light browsing next to my game rig. another raspberry pi with open media vault for NAS, my wife has a windows rig for her work, and my old bulldozer rig is our pop os w/ cinnamon desktop test machine for trying new things or just browsing the internet. We actually use a bit of everything. I have repurposed old PCs for friends and family and put mint on them and they still use the machine because all they do is browse the web and email. There are many makes and models of vehicle and its the same with consumer tech. Remember the price point for each and make your choice from there.
By chance do you have links to how you setup the omv on pi? assuming you setup external drives? Thanks.
If a Chromebook is all you need... just use the chromebook?
"knife fight in a closet" 😂
@@spidaxtreme sure do that if you can but if you have an old PC linux is free. whatever jerks your bobber. You can even put chrome OS on an old PC.
Indeed, dual boot is the best option if you need to use these things but still wanna run Linux. I recommend getting separate SSDs so that both OSes can run independently and boot doesn't get messed up. If you don't have another M.2 slot, SATA is just fine. Performance is pretty similar with the kinds of load you encounter on a desktop PC. For example, a game I play takes 40 seconds to load from a HDD, 15 seconds from a $200 Gen4 NVMe SSD, and 17 seconds from a $25 SATA SSD.
I just switched fulltime to Manjaro-KDE from dualbooting Linux Mint and Windows for over a month. I briefly switched to Linux last year but I had some scientific applications that could not run and I was a noob so I rage quit after a few attempts. Now, I have configured a virtualbox with all the software I need. As none of them are cpu/gpu-intensive, they run smoothly on the VM.
I love the feel of using Linux and learning to use to terminal really gave a lot of confidence towards this switch.
Now, I can proudly say I am no longer a noob and I like where I am. And spending the extra five-twenty minutes where I get stuck, I just fall in love with the learning process.
Anyone else never have problems gaming on Linux? I've had games that don't work on windows work with proton, and every game I play just works. I don't play many triple A games, but I'm actually astonished how easy it is now
After using Linux every day since Mandrake 5. I would, and have given many people the exact same advice. Also, I have never been on any Linux machine/distro for more than half an hour without opening a terminal.
What you say is just reality. To be honest I've never met any one of my windows or mac computer using friends that I would even think of suggesting they use Linux.
I'm not a gamer, but have some friends who game exclusively on Linux, but they are people who are extremely proficient in managing Linux - well beyond the abilities of ninety percent of desktop linux users.
I do have a success story to share... I installed linux on my dad's desktop pc I think it was 10 years ago... he only uses web and a virtual machine for a few other things (windows xp stuff) and he's never reported a problem. I did upgrade the machine with a newer version of linux and hardware, but I made sure to stick with LTS versions.
@@readypetequalmers7360 My dad did the same thing for my grandmother's old boyfriend - 10 years and I think he needed an update once, which prompted my dad to go ahead and give the system a once-over.
Kept the old man from getting shit-tons of viruses from clicking on everything, and he's running it on a machine that I suspect couldn't boot with Windows 7, nevermind the nightmare that is Win10.
Thanks Chris! I’m new to Linux. I would love to jump the “Mac/Adobe ship” for privacy reasons.
I need to edit video, I’m thinking of trying Davinci Resovle on Manjaro.
Do you have a video showing what hardware is best for building a Linux box?
The most problems i have with Linux is the (non)support of XLR-Devices that i use. Only distro i know that works out of box with all is Ubuntustudio. Also there are a lot of useful stuff for media creation preinstalled. For Hardware you should go for fast storage (ssd nvme) and you have to get a decent grafic card. Also 16gig RAM are minimum. Video Editing is eating hardware.
I don't think he does but after quite a bit of tinkering myself with various distros, I'd have to say you would want to stick with Zen3 based processor (5800X has a pretty good pricepoint now) and an AMD-based GPU. My 5600G / 6700XT system has been flawless in every distro I've tried. A good B550 motherboard is also quite a bit cheaper than on the Intel side currently (can confirm having just updated main rig to Z690 / 12700K). Pretty much any MSI B550 board can handle the 5600X with ease but even the cheap B550 Gaming Plus handled the 5900X overclcocked without issue while pulling over 200 watts on the CPU.
Some other basic recommendations for Ryzen - don't bother over-spending on memory. Ryzen does benefit from faster memory with tighter timings but you have an upper limit (for stability) and the performance between 3200 @ CL14 and 3733@ CL16 isn't drastically different in most use cases. I've spent WAAAAY too much time tuning memory on ryzen and you get your most bang for the buck getting the main CAS latency down as far as you can go and tightening up all the sub-timings. That being said, some programs don't care a lick about memory bandwidth and latency and Zen 3 doesn't have quite the same improvement that Zen 2 did by tinkering with memory.
Maybe Chris can weigh in here, but I'm not sure if Intel Quicksync is supported in Resolve or not and if that might be something to consider. Nvidia GPUs tend to do better in encoding tasks in Windows, but their Linux drivers are notoriously garbage and the open source AMD drivers just work so much better by comparison.
Just go with AMD - everything else depends on the specific product you want to use.
I'm saying AMD because it can be a bumpy road to set up NVidia graphics cards but its not impossible, so if you really want an NVidia card, be ready to run into trouble and use the command line a bit.
For everything else, you should check out whether or not your specific product has drivers for Linux which should be said on the product web page and sometimes you can get it working with some hacks if you're willing to do it that way (usually a quick google search will tell you whether this is possible and how to do it if it is).
Sometimes you don't even need specific vendor software to get something working. For example, I have a Roccat Kiro mouse that works right out of the box when I plug it in my computer when on Linux. It has vendor specific software for Windows, but not for Linux where you can set the color of LEDs, DPI, keymap, and other stuff. Now, do I need to adjust those settings? Extremely rarely. If I really have to set that up, I have a Windows image on an external drive from which I set that stuff up.
as far as hardware goes AMD is your friend, if you are looking at building a new box or you buy a system 76 system. I bought my Nvidia GPU before I started using linux and it will make your life more difficult as a result, as far as CPU's go intel or AMD is fine for support (what you go with is up to you and your budget)
At the end of the day though its the software difference which if you are really interesting install a live USB or VM of linux and go from there.
If you have an Nvidia GPU already though with the exception of gaming, the driver it will work well enough most of the time.
Be advised, da Vinci can be kind a bear to set up as well. It worked out of the box on my system but required a bit of hackery on my wife's ( both fedora). You'll also need to adjust your work flow if you plan on using the free version as it doesn't support certain proprietary codecs - not a show stopper but you'll have to convert the videos first. I set her up with a script to do it for her.
avoid Linux if you want to do these things:
1. gaming
2. use microsoft office
3. use photoshop
4. hate terminal
5. using windows only hardware
Nice summary.
Unfortunately...
That's true...
6. CAD
I think you've forgotten how most people use their computers. People who want to use Chrome OS have no reason to need to learn how to use a terminal. Most people don't want a laptop or desktop, but they use it for their work. They might have some benefit that would come from a terminal, but it might not be worth it for them to put in the energy to learn it.
Well, those people do work or study at the same time, and (shocking, I know) it might not have anything to do with IT or Programming.
Making Linux more approachable to GUI people does not meant harming the overall environment: creating one distro or another or even just environments for GUI people may be all that is needed. Otherwise, why would people spend their time switching to an OS that is not ready-to-go when they have strict deadlines? Approaching the noobs and being sensitive is what will bring LINUX to the mainstream. Or just don't do it and be a techno-elitist, but live with the fact that the Tech Giants will always have more marketshare than the Linux and the free-opensource community, and thus more Power: financial AND political.
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If you can get away with the web app version, the "real" Microsoft Office can be used quite nicely on Linux (or anything with a web browser). Sure, doesn't have all the features, but if you occasionally want to use the real thing, and don't need the full desktop app, it's a nice option to have.
FOR MY NEEDS (disclaimer) Gaming in Linux is really nice through steam with mostly no tinkering. There are only a handful of games that I play that the developers haven't updated the anti-cheat for yet. I keep a small Windows partition for those two games. AAA titles with updated anti-cheat (compatible with Steam Proton / WINE) work wonders. Just click install and play :)
THIS!
Chris: "If you're a gamer, don't use Linux."
Valve releasing the Steam Deck: "I missed the part where that's my problem."
wont affect it that much
Who cares about Steam if it won't run DecWar.
By "gamer", people usually mean professional e-sports players, I don't see these people play their LoL, Valorant, CS: GO on the Steam Deck for their career.
yeah.. which only work if ONLY play games on steam. and not everything on steam works perfectly. but hey they are investing so much into it. It will probably be better if it gets a lot of sales and users.
@@ChristopherCobra DecWar's publishers, when it starts hitting sales.
Along with the publishers of other windows restricted titles.
And the more people we have using Linux, the more essential those publishers will regard proper Linux support.
Heck, for most of them it would just be a simple recompile anyway, so why not do it?
I've been messing around in Manjaro for a couple months now, and trying to get any game working has been a nightmare. My pc is all AMD, which is apparently supposed to be better for Linux?
It took me over a week of troubleshooting to get Doom Eternal working. After all that messing around I was keen to start killing demons on Manjaro. I normally play with controller, so not it was time to set up my Xbox controller. Most of the info online is "it just works" but I'm very quickly discovering that phrase being used in the context of Linux is an oxymoron.
I installed xpadneo, and paired my controller. So far so good. The controller was detected in the system, I was able to test it using the gamepad settings app in Manjaro. It also worked great in Steam Big Picture mode, so I confidently booted up the game, ready to play Doom Eternal on Linux for the first time... and... No controller responsiveness. Nothing. I managed to get the game to show Xbox buttons at one point, but it just didn't see the controller. Another day of troubleshooting. It turns out that enabling just the Xbox controller in Steam wasn't good enough. I also had to enable the generic ganepad. Why would I have to do this for an official Xbox One controller? No idea. From what I could find online this is supposed to fix compatibility with 360 controllers. Very counter intuitive in my opinion, and Valve should just roll the generic support into the Xbox support. Or enable it by default as "required" when Xbox is enabled, like some of the other options are. Why would I think to enable the generic option when Xbox is an option?
So now my game works, my controller works. It was finally time. I got in game, started to play Horde mode and... Performance was good but inferior to my Windows install. So after all that time and effort, the promise of a gaming experience as good as Windows was a lie. I'm sure there are more tweaks I can make... But why bother at this point?
Now that Doom Eternal works, that's only the second game in my large steam library I can confirm works. And none of the Linux based tutorials helped me get it working. You know what did? A tutorial for Windows that told me to install the VC libraries (an exe file for Windows) I installed it with Wine and the game started working.
@@arashkmahshidfar7780 it runs pretty well honestly. Definitely doesn't suck. But definitely doesn't run as well as it does on Windows on the exact same machine.
@@arashkmahshidfar7780 I don't really play the multiplayer, so couldn't tell you.
That is very close to my experience 2 years later, except with Mint and nvidia. I went in with knowing that nvidia is going to pose problems and I wanted to see to whether the "linux just works" and "nvidia has not been a problem for years" are actually reasonable and linux is an alternative. Though I had NO IDEA. It was absolutely miserable. I was able to solve 1 single issue in 20 hours and only thanks to a helpful person on discord, otherwise it was just hours upon hours of googling and reading threads that led nowhere.
Unfortunately, pretty much all the tutorials/guides are either not meant to be read by a beginner, or they assume that everything will work flawlessly and that nobody will have any issue whatsoever. Countless of threads are filled with contradictory claims, so you don't know whether there is even a chance to resolve an issue, or if it will be a waste of time. And along the way, you are constantly being gas lighted, that xyz "just work" and is "great" or even "flawless", that nvidia aren't really that big of a problem, that linux runs faster smoother out of the box (not on my machine), that linux has less issues out of the box (not in my case), that you don't get breaking errors and bsosd like on windows (I have not heard or seen anyone having bsosd on windows for years and I am a gamer that works on PC, so me and everyone I socialize uses PC pretty much all day all week all year). So unfortunately, for the time being, windows is the only option I got. Let's hope it will get better in the future.
And I'm sitting here playing all my favorites via steam on POP OS, not worrying about any Windows or Mac BS... going... Whatever.bro
Lol
Even if you need to use Microsoft Office, you can easily setup a VM with VirtualBox or even Gnome Boxes to use that on a virtual Windows in there. Why? Simply because of the privacy issues you can sandbox that way. Overall you have more control, moving files between host system and a VM got quite convenient over the years. So it doesn't require much tinkering at all (probably nearly zero with Virtualbox... or at least everyone can do it). This is probably much better than dual-booting and you can even backup/snapshot your Windows to be safer of ransomware attacks.
The only reason this is less attractive when you are gaming instead of dual-booting is that you would need a secondary GPU to pass-through. Otherwise the performance penalty is too high. But for document editing and such... VMs are totally fine.
100%.. So many miss the advantages of a VM, running on a privacy friendly host.
Thank you for this, it honestly makes my experiences with using linux feel credible. Everytime I interact with people who are more "hardcore" users I mention I have hardware work on linux and what they say is buy new stuff. I do love linux but I can't fully switch like people say to do.
I tried randomly 10 of my Steam games under Linux. 8 of them worked without problems.
However, the 2 games not working properly were Conan Exiles and X-Plane 12. But these are the most important games at all for me. So I kept using Windows, less trouble.
Another issues I have seen in forums is the attitude of "It's good enough". That simply does not apply to your average gamer/streamer. In that scenario, you want to provide the best possible experience to your viewers. Sadly, that often requires very high (or at least higher) end hardware to achieve. It is not about what you would tolerate but what your viewers will.
My issue with gaming is as follows:
●Any non-Arch-based distro (even easy ones like Mint, Ubuntu, Nobara, etc) have always had problems when gaming, Arch fixes these things for me
●When regarding games that are Incompatible, I haven't really had an issue with single player or open online games (by this I mean ones that don't use anti cheats, often also supporting modding, Minecraft and Terraria being great examples). It's when devs make anti cheats specifically designed to block Linux or when devs shut off Linux support that it becomes very annoying. Roblox shutting off Linux support is a good example, cause with even a lot of Wine tweaking and with the Grapejuice launcher I got nothing to work. It used to work, but not anymore sadly.
What kind of issues are there on mint?
@@zhulikkulik Can't game in fullscreen mode (this has only worked on Vanilla Arch or Arch based distros and I have no idea why), wine sometimes randomly decides it doesn't want to work anymore, and performance when GPU bound on Nvidia hardware specifically (AMD and Intel is fine, and this doesn't just account for Linux Mint), is not great.
Also, distros either have immense screen tearing when using an external monitor with my laptop (I have a gaming laptop), or in the case of Linux Mint specifically (I don't know how they do it and have been trying to figure this out for a while now), it doesn't tear and feels perfectly smooth, up until it gives you a gaping stutter every few seconds, both in the desktop and applications. And no, VSync doesn't help. I am also aware that XOrg usually needs both screens to be matched in resolution and refresh rate and I've done that, only got a fix in Tuxedo Linux and Mint never had that problem to begin with, I just don't get it.....
this is a timely video considering the second episode of Linus's linux series. I think it is important for people to talk about these things and become educated on all the pros and cons no matter what platform you choose to use.
Ive given Zorin OS to long-term Mac/Windows user in my family. No terminal needed. Theyve had no issues
Who asked?
cause they only browse the internet lul
I enjoy Linux for geeky and nerdy reasons, but these days I most use my computer to get my work done (which is web dev and graphic design). I used to use Linux as a daily driver back in the day, and while it made me fall in love with the Unix way of doing things and the terminal, I felt like I spent a non significant time tinkering with my OS or figuring out problems. Back then it was fine, but now a days I don't want to waste time wrestling with my OS. I still enjoy the Unix way, so I use a Mac as my daily driver and have been super happy for years. To me it really comes down to preference and your daily workflow and needs. Different OS'es fit for different people, and that's a good thing :)
Same. 👍
As a hardcore gamer who have played lots of single/multi player games, I'd never ever consider Linux as my daily driver ever. Just like he said, PC games are made for Windows in mind. If Linux can't run every latest AAA games in maximum performance of your PC then don't say Linux is a better OS for gaming. Not even close, buddy.
Nobody has ever said that, not even hardcore Linux people. Most of them use Linux because of the bloat and telemetry and overall shoddiness of the recent versions of Windows.
Linux itself is the best game ever made. So complex and challenging. No one has ever beaten the final boss yet! Heck we don't even know where or what it is.
I appreciate your honesty. A lot of Linux people would try to convince you that the alternatives are just as good or better, but the reality is, in most cases, their simply not, for your average person.
Right or the actual amount of time wasted making something work when another tool or OS in this case can just make it work no issue...just use the tool that actually works for it.
For those just with a hobby passion sure, but when you need things to just work, sometimes Linux just isn't the first choice, not for everything at least
This whole FOSS/propietary thing, companies do want YOU as a user to entrust them with the software /drivers they provide but they all have an agenda. First is the bus factor, if you buy a drawing tablet and the manufacturer goes belly up then how much does that tablet really cost? I mean, do wtv you want as a company but proprietary solutions should be cheaper because they have less worth for us in the long run. MS has done it so that specialized/obscure tech is expensive based on a myth. While FOSS belongs to humanity and can survive far better, so yeah, demand better prices from these proprietary companies and their solutions. Second is the whole "brand ecosystem" thing, I think RGB and its controllers should be standardized because I am of the thought that aesthetics are a psychological need also, and this is treated as a simple commodity. I should be able to buy any brand of MOBO, fans, RGB PSU, keyboard and mouse combo and set to anything I like with any software I want. How much is it worth this piece of RGB HW if I have to be forced into an ecosystem to have control over it? How much is worth **my choice**. Again, it is the myth of "special proprietary" being shoved down to us that we are letting take over.
I fully agree on everything you say here.
One thing I'd like to add is the lack of backwards compatibility. Linux evolves so quickly that it's pretty common for old applications to just break randomly unless they're actively maintained. That is a huge problem for some people, particularly corporate IT. Welcome to my life.
This is a big reason why many software companies do not publish Linux versions of their apps. They know all too well that if they do, they're signing up for a lifetime of product maintenance across multiple distros, and that'll just cost too much money for little to no gain. Besides that, pretty much nobody (in the corporate world) is asking for it either. I've been in big tech since the early 90s, and today pretty much everyone runs Linux (or BSD) on servers, and pretty much noone on desktops/laptops.
i posted so long reply, and youtube deleted it. ahhhh, i hate google
Isn't this the problem flatpaks and snaps are trying to solve?
linux evolves so quickly, while Windows 7 still usable today but Ubuntu 9 is completely useless
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I got a laptop last year, and friends without asking me put linux mint on it because they where all crazy linux fans, I however wasn't pleased after trying for a bit, I for one wanted to just play and work on it without having to learn how to program the OS, second I found 8 out of 10 games I like just wouldn't run at all, maybe for some something could have been done with learning how to make things work with the terminal, I don't know why it bothered me so, like in Windows I liked to fix problems, usually other people's problems, I guess having to work out so many problems to get almost anything I want working just wasn't it for me, fixing a problem every now and again fine, having almost nothing work and trying to work out why or what to do and having to learn how to code the OS no thanks, I did try though, I really did try to work with the terminal, I really did, but I failed to get any game working besides those Steam natively supports on Linux, which is only a small percentage of all games I own and like to play, also constantly had issues with the WiFi for some still unknown reason, never worked out how to fix that either, bought a cheap Windows key, erased the drive, and installed windows on it, gone where all my problems, sure Windows isn't perfect, and the telemetry and spying on you and forced install of junk programs you don't want are not great to say the least, still, my experience has taught me what you said also, gaming on linux often just isn't a great experience, often Windows is simply better for it as pretty much all are made for Windows, also when using a free fake office for Linux I got shit with an organisation I work with, they got some incompatibility errors that couldn't be fixed, and they told me to just buy regular Office, also a friend who uses Linux once sent me a file which again gave incompatibility errors this time on my Windows machine, Windows showed it as an image file, whilst it was if I recall correctly a kind of text file, trying to open it as a image file led to if I remember correctly a corruption error so I couldn't open it, when I forcefully opened it with an editor which shows the code to find out what kind of file it was I saw it wasn't an image file at all in spite of Windows thinking it was, so no, despite the issues with Windows, I am not interested in going Linux any time soon again, as my experience that I didn't choose for wasn't a pleasant experience for me with what I want to do with my machine.
The Problem with the terminal is that it is blisteringly fast. BUT ONLY if you know all the commands, package names and other stuff by heart. If you're new, haven't used command lines isnce DOS days, sitting there and have to look up AND understand every single thing you type in the terminal is a heartbreakingly awful experience. And an infuriatingly slow one too.
It takes months to get used to and you better have A LOT of free time and a good memory. And there is no other way to learn it than memorizing it like a bloody poem with ten thousand verses.
you can add DJ/music producer to that list because all the biggest names in the industry (Pioneer DJ, Native Instruments, Akai Professional, Ableton, Steinberg) collective give a whole zero eff about Linux support
I've made the switch to linux recently (i love it even with the headaches) and my troubles come from setting up a retro speedrun setup, its been fun i almost have it going! Unfortunately I havent found a way to run retrospy controller input display. So console game streamers might be able to make the switch if your capture card is supported in linux. I really think its worth to switch to linux if you dont have any big issues like gaming or proprietary software
I also think that „doing a bit of tinkering“ can sometimes be a nice experience
I don't recommend linux for streaming at all. Games aside, Nvidia drivers on linux are really shitty (NVenc is way better than AMF, and way less resource intensive than x264), the OBS port for linux misses a lot of features and has a lot of bugs, and a lot of OBS plugins are not compatible with linux.
When it comes to computer operating systems, you don’t have to pick just one. You can have a windows computer for gaming, a Linux server or desktop for programming, a MacBook Pro for video editing and photoshop. You can have a computer that’s best suited for everything you like to do. Don’t get in the trap where you think you have to choose only one.
One of my thoughts is that with KVM being fairly robust now I would like to see something like Proxmox or Unraid but that's even more focused on an easy set up for consumer hardware so everyone can just use GUI and easily install things like GPU passthrough or gpu paravirtualization without being a very daunting task: the heavy lifting is already done so it's just making sure things like Proxmox improve even more to support these kinds of set up so it's basically a Linux machine but that virtualizes a Windows desktop: It would be transparent for most people but if it's done right and is convenient enough it would be like an even more powerful version of dual booting if you could just boot your Linux box to a very simple GUI that lets you pick "Ok Windows here, Linux here, Macos here" and that was it.
That would help a lot more people get a lot more comfortable with transitioning into Linux full time and it's not as implausible as one might think.
I don't understand how that will help.
Let's say I boot in this OS and it has like grub saying:
* Linux
* Windows
Then I want to play game so I choose Windows. But while playing I open browser for something (maybe something for the game). Then when I'm finished playing and wanna do some browsing. Now I have 2 options:
* I can just continue my browsing session (or open a browser) in Windows which takes 1-3 seconds
* I can shut down Windows and launch Linux to open a browser. My current browser session is not gonna be there (or I'd have to go to "another devices session" screen in the browser to access the Windows session of I'm syncing session, bookmarks, etc.
This is essentially the same as dual booting - you end up using Windows 90% of the time.
Now what you're talking about is probably being able to run Linux + Windows at the same time and alt+tab between them but that requires 2 GPUs to be able to use them at the same time. And 1 of the CPU players (AMD) doesn't have iGPU in most of their CPUs so you'd need to spend extra money for 2nd GPU if you want to use Linux+Windows at the same time when you can just use Windows and do everything. Also in contrast to a few years back (2012-2015) now if you want to use Ryzen for PCI passthrough you have to spend a lot more money on mb because the IOMMU groups are trash on non-X570 motherboards. So you need beefy motherboard and 2 GPUs.
I don't know about these things. This is interesting. Will have to look into it.
@@ivailogeimara Agree with you. This does not help at all. Now you need to handle the PCI passthrough stuff.
@@ivailogeimara Maybe it doesn't need to make sense as long as it seems convenient and attracts people ... because what the op described sounds like the kind of setup I'm currently looking for.
I actually like Win10/11, once it's completely de-bloated, and I need it for CAD work. But I'm very interested in Pop-OS to get my feet wet and I've also come to like the idea of making snapshots and VM backups instead of running paid software in windows for scheduled backups.
So my current plan is to install Proxmox, setup WMs for Win11, Pop and TrueNas, share storage between Windows and Linux so I can actually do stuff in Linux, but pass through GPU and some USB to the Windows VM so I can daily it as if it were on bare metal. My workstation has dual 2690 V3s, so 24C/48T with 128GB of Ram, so sacrificing some resources for the hypervisor and TrueNas VM wouldn't hurt me too badly. Overkill? Probably. But impractical?
(not meant rhetorically, if you have experience with VMs and can spare the time I'd appreciate your input.)
3:30 years ago a jumped back to windows because I like gaming, it was a shame because I enjoyed the linux environment more, but what was the point of a cool desktop if I couldn't launch my favorite games?
If all Steam users switch to Linux, then the gaming industry would be forced to develop games for Linux or go bust.
Hahahahahahahahha
Why would they
Not gonna happen soon, especially with ltt's influence.
1 million Linux users, 7 billion people on the planet. Yeah, that'll show 'em.
there are other platforms too origin (ea desktop), epic games which are not available on linux I would switch right now
Hi Chris! At 1:55, how did you change the Brave homepage from the default one?
I use Linux all the time on my pc and laptops. I use Windows at work. I am just a casual (not hardcore) gamer, but I enjoy gaming on Linux using dosbox , DeSmuME, and Steam. I use the free Libre Office for all my home office use and it is great! I stopped using Windows when Windows 7 security support ended and learned Windows 10 had no privacy at all and was sending almost all user data to Microsoft. Linux Mint is my distro of choice and I don't miss most of my old Windows apps (FastStone image viewer being one of a few exceptions). I have found alternatives for my Windows apps in almost every category (and all my Linux apps are free. I have spent exactly $0.00 on Linux apps). Having said all that, do what works well for you in your particular situation, whether using Linux, Windows, Apple (or a combination).
I'd love to ditch Microsoft, but unfortunately for Linux I couldn't even get started. No sound, my monitor refresh rate would revert back to 60 after each restart/sleep, I couldn't hotkey my mouse, or change the speed of scrolling, etc. It was rather basic stuff that after decades of comfort I wasn't willing to give up. I'll make a separate Linux PC soon with much lower expectations for mainly simple internet use and some media because I love the notion of Linux.
Yeah I'd say with zorin os (it's a Linux distro) the things you mentioned will not be an issue
Fair assessment. I‘m using on Windows for my Desktop and Linux on several VMs. Tried Linux several times on the desktop but it just doesn‘t work for me because of games.
Even Dual-boot is not an option for me, because it means updating and maintaining 2 os instead of 1.
I never update Windows :D
@@nor-bert He's mainly referring to game updates. Downloading GBs of mandatory updates when you're just trying to hop on and play with some friends quick isn't an ideal scenario.
Are going to update this? Its been a year already.
I'm honestly glad you made this video. I recently watched your older "Gaming On Linux Is Better Than Windows" video, and that video left a bad taste in my mouth because it's just not true, and I felt like you were (unintentionally, perhaps) lying to your audience.
The thing is that it is actually true. Linux gaming generally gives better FPS, and a higher rate of reliability, once you get the game to run.
@@SnowyRVulpix "Once you get the game to run." Thats the problem
@@SnowyRVulpix Linux has demonstrably lower processing overhead than windows which really matters for multithreaded math/science tools bit doesnt really mean that much for games
@@SnowyRVulpix you get lower fps actually if it's not native and your using proton
@@edrelaquino7041 depends on proton rsting as well
Gaming? Really? Tell that to the people with a steamdeck; or the people that run valve's proton. Unless you play serious competitive games with draconian anticheat; its very likely the game will run just fine nowadays. At this point, gaming is probably the least of your worries. It's just.. .everything else.
Nice video and great points. The lack of perspective from other linux youtubers is honestly so astounding it's sad.
I own a data center but NFW would I use anything but Windows or a MacOS at home on a "PC." On something like a NAS or network quite the opposite.
If you produce music of any kind. Good luck to you on Linux. Things have definitely improved, especially within the last decade, but Linux is still domain of people who just use a web browser, programmers and systems engineers.
For music production you need to use JACK instead of Pulse ( however the latest development is that pipewire will replace both of these).
I know VST's has been an issue, not sure that is still an issue.
Eh, "music of any kind" is a little too much; tracker music works just fine! But yes, I wouldn't even try to get my Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol to work on Linux as anything other than a basic MIDI controller, for example...
@@Audiojack_ LOL, right, trackers. I haven't touched those since 90s :)
What finally made me switch entirely to Linux (Mint Cinnamon) was a laptop that was clogged by Windows 10 and a desktop that suffered a hard drive failure, making me reinstall Windows 7, only to be unable to find the driver that would recognize a 1920 x 1080 monitor.
I'd been using LibreOffice and Gimp for years by that point, and Mint is like the best that Windows 7 had to offer without any of the toddler behavior that is the curse of any Microsoft product.
If the apps that I use on my iPhone are ever made available on a Linux phone, I'll go entirely Linux from then on.
I really appreciate your videos of this nature. Like you say, a lot of people oversell Linux. For me, that's a real turn-off because I've had enough experience with Linux to know that it's not the silver bullet that some advocates make it out to be. For a large class of users, I think you can really make do with Linux, Windows, or Mac. Although if you're really into Gaming, Windows is likely going to have substantial advantages. And in other areas, Linux and Mac have substantial advantages too. I have an older machine that has always been challenged by Windows 10 and even though I'm going to try giving it a SSD I suspect I'm probably going to try a Linux distro on it because that's one of the areas in which you might do better with Linux. And fortunately, my Epson printer does work with Kubuntu, which is likely going to be my distro of choice... although I don't recall if I got any of the scanning functions working! It's just nice with your videos to get away from these extreme Linux advocates that act like it's Linux do, or die! Frankly, for a lot of users going to the trouble of learning a whole new operating system just isn't going to be worth it. If you already have years of experience in Windows, Mac, or Linux, for many users it's just not worth the trouble. If you're techier, maybe, but for many users, no way. It's like, so if it's a Toyota, Ford, or Nissan... they don't care. If they push on the gas pedal, stir the steering wheel, and the car gets them from point A to point B that's all they really care about. Familiarity with the interface makes a bigger difference than anything else. All the experience built up over years in how to get whatever you need to get done does count for quite a bit.
Man, A lot has changed in the last year
Y'know, the one lesson that I think none of these 'try linux' videos have adequately communicated is that switching cold turkey to linux is a really bad idea. There will be software packages that you need that's a hassle to get going when you switch.
I've always advocated for a more gradual switch for people who are interested. For the first month, just play with linux on a VM and figure out what you can get running without any tinkering. Once you have a solid read on that, dual boot linux+windows and use the linux partition just for productivity/school. Libreoffice works just fine out of the box and is compatible with Word 99% of the time. Things like matlab have linux versions that are well supported. Anything that doesn't work, run on windows. Most of your games will fall under this category.
After you're comfortable with the dual boot situation, experiment with porting windows only software one-by-one to linux. Start with a single non-steam game (for example) and experiment with getting it running on lutris. Do this one by one and gradually reduce the number of software packages that you absolutely need windows to run.
Eventually, you'll get to the point where you're naturally using linux all the time except for that one game running anti cheat that there's no workaround for. At that point, you can make the call and decide to uninstall windows. Congrats! You've transitioned to linux without having a meltdown on an online forum.
Linux can be for you if you don't like terminal. It's just that at some point, many people see the value of terminal, and choose to start using it
Do people expect that when they change from MAC to Windows or from Windows to Mac that all of their Hardware ans Software will still work? Why do they think Linux will do that?
Because many folks promote Linux as the better alternative.
Actually i do, i am quite hating on a MacBook pro that i got from work to work from home because it has that shitty command key plus it detects my fancy mouse as a keyboard. I rather linux than mac to be honest, at least with a linux i can customize it until it is basically windows with a mac i can't even do that, at least not without jumping more hoops than necesary.
@@MegaManNeo mac people promote macos as an alternative too. The only difference is that, most of the time, you don't have to buy new hardware for linux
I think it's different, On Mac, almost everything working just like in Windows. Any software that's industry standard have support both on Windows and Mac (except 3DsMax for unknown reason). Everything work just the same if not consider how different we interact with computer in basic way. Also, almost all external gadget are working in Mac OS as in Windows.
The downside of Mac is that it supported only the internal hardware that's similar or the same as what Apple has been put in their prebuilt. (How should I put it?, It's like only some specific model of graphic card and CPU can be usable in Mac but every printer scanner or camera in the market can work with Mac because historically those are supported by Mac before Windows) So, it's not that everything is working but most of the thing that's not the main parts of the computer are. So it's work just like Windows but can't upgrade the system spec itself. And also it can't run games as well as Windows as games are application that wrote just for Windows.
Linux have the same problem in gaming but outside of that it's opposite. You can change the system as much as you want and linux can still working properly but most industry standard software aren't supported and most external gadgets are unsupported as well. And this happened because those gadgets/peripherals manufacturer didn't care to supported Linux and those software producers didn't want to port their software to Linux as they don't consider Linux as a professional platform that must use their software.
@@MegaManNeo Linux is the better alternative. But Linux is only better when you know how to run Linux.
Console gamers, hearing "Windows just works when it comes to games"!
It's one of the things that's made me laugh with the hubbub from LTT series. Windows folks talking about how Windows "just works", having spent decades having that back and forth with Console gamers about why PC's worth the extra agro over consoles.
I remember when Fallout 3 first came out with Windows Vista, if you believe Windows just works when it comes to games, you would of thrown windows out back then. I was using Zorin back then and it played Fallout 3, 10 times better then winblows. Plus if you own about 10 computers like I do, well Winblows can only be used on one computer at a time, unless you can buy a multi pack.
@Manthan Kaushal doesn't redeem it being a shitty experience.
@Manthan Kaushal not just for me.
@Manthan Kaushal Dude, it's an amusing anecdote, chill.
If you want something more recent, how about the certificates expiring for native applications within months of the latest release.
Or the (forced) Windows Updates that brick people's machines.
The the malware all over the place, hijacking people's data and holding hostage for ransom.
Computers are complicated and unintuitive.
@@stansova3138 Which that time most people either doesn't know Linux exist or even cared about Linux. Although GFWL had ruined it on Windows Vista. But now GFWL is finally patched out from YEARS later.
I am waiting for your reaction on linus linux challange 2
Me too, he seem to has most level headed take last time. Want to hear his mind again
I jumped the Microsoft ship 4 to 5 months ago, first tried Mint for a couple of weeks but ended up daily driving Manjaro Gnome. Haven't looked back since. It does what I need it to do, including gaming and it has treated me well.
Can't say I miss anything Windows used to offer.
Maybe it's not for everyone but it's definitely for me.
The dual-boot is not a very good idea for a working/playing setup. In the best case, you won't use one of your OSs all that much or at all, and it will be a waste of time and space. I've been on dual-boot of Win 7 and different Linux distros for 5+ years and Linux wasn't more than a toy for me during that time. Things changed only when my old Win 7 broke and refused to reinstall, so I had to pick a solution, which was to migrate on Linux. Since then I never had any regrets about doing that. Just remember, like in anything things will be rough until they are smooth, but Linux is 100% more rewarding once you get to know it well enough
Have you tested Moonlight vs Parsec for remote connections?
anyone who works in a corporate or enterprise environment simply can't use linux desktops. Even the dev teams would use a hybrid setup. It's extremely rare to see any organizations that can be pure linux.
On my corporate machine I installed WSL, Terminal, VS Code, OpenSSH support in support and Windows and that has really helped. That makes my life so much easier. I can still use all the Linux tools I need and have access to all the Windows corporate stuff also.
Enterprise Linux/RHL.
I feel like a "person already typing down below" person, but to do with the gui: The issue isn't just that there are things you can't do in the gui you can in a terminal, it is that most tutorials use the terminal because it is consistent across distros. Now I just realised my package manager can handle aur, then padcman can't, I feel as though I can just use it. I like using the terminal for these things, at times, tho. Is it necessary for some things, yes. Can someone get by without it, yes. Can it be faster than a gui, yes, but for an "average" user it is a lot slower than using a gui because they can't type out the directory as fast as they can just open a new tab in their file manager and just drag and drop. The only time where I see it is an issue is someone downloading a tar bell file and need to install it (these are a personal hatred of mine, but that could be a rant in it of itself).
Very nice. This is like the best warning to anyone trying to daily drive linux. Daily driving versus trying it out is like the difference between moving to a place where you don't speak the language versus going on a vacation there. If you have other goals than to just move to that place in that same time frame they may conflict and you may end up moving back because it "just didn't work out." This video definitely helps set the expectations for a new user a bit better. :-)
You don't have to use a terminal and gaming is less of a problem as he makes it out to be.
@@worldhello1234 In my experience, gaming seems alright. I use Steam and have played Bioshock, Bioshock 2 from beginning to end. These are Windows only.
Bioshock Infinite: I played the Linux version. There is the need to fix up a value in a certain INI file else low resolution textures are used.
Duke Nukem Forever runs fine.
Euro Truck Simulator: there is a Linux version. Works fine.
Ghostbusters: I think I didn’t try it.
Left 4 Dead 2: I play the Linux version all the time.
RetroArch: I use it a few times a week to try out SNES games.
Tomb Raider : I bought it but don’t have time right now.
Battlefield 1 : they did a bunch of fixes and now it runs much better. The FPS nearly matches what I was getting under Windows. This is one of my favorite games.
I just don’t feel like dual booting. I prefer running them through PROTON or have the Linux version.
I learned visual design work via Adobe's products like most people. Photoshop/Illustrator specifically.
I actually started using GIMP on Windows before I ever moved to Linux, and when I did make the switch Inkscape was a pleasant surprise.
As for using the terminal: just being able to replace a long and thirsty search through loads of GUI menu layers with a simple copy-pasted command is so extremely convenient!
Yes for sure, however if the community wants to get more people to switch to Linux, provide them with GUI counterparts! I mean you can even put the commands inside the GUI just like "ChoEazyCopy" for Windows! This will definitely help people use the command line if they want to get more efficient.
... As long as you know the exact command with the exact syntax for what you want to do.
Otherwise replace that "long and thirsty" search through gui settings with a long and tedious time using a search engine in your Web Browser.
@@link1565V2 This is what nobody wants to talk about in the Linux community. Everybody says "Just learn Linux, don't expect it to be like Windows," but the reality is that the documentation for Linux mostly sucks. It is fragmented, usually outdated, contradictory, and often just plain wrong, or irrelevant to the user who is trying to solve a basic problem, like getting the keyboard or monitor to work. Not much you can do in Linux without a keyboard and monitor. Every distro I've tried, Ubuntu, Mint, Zorin, etc.that claims to be user friendly, has had significant problems just connecting to an HDMI monitor and wireless keyboard. The solution? Switch to Windows to configure your wireless devices, and you can always depend on luck to get your monitor to work. After all, if it doesn't work today, it might magically work tomorrow. Really?
yeah ,but you probably need to search first what to write in :)
and for getting info a gui is much better than a console
@@chuctanundaspiderbone5407 it is so bad , most things i search for is outdated , like how to test your nvidia card is working well
The "over promise, under deliver" is a general trait of software developers. When planning any software development you plan time for all the things you can think of, you triple it to allow for all the things you didn't think of and then half way through you realise your gonna have to drop half the planned features to get it out the door a month late.. it's not our fault computers are dumb.... of course I didn't mean to pass a pointer to f**k all.
Number 1 and 2 was the reason I come back from PopOS! to Windows. I really really need to use Offce 365 and I play a lot of games on Steam, Xbox, Epic, EA Play and Ubisoft (not mentioning PS and Xbox console), and more and more I was using more linux the windows to another daily jobs. Because, I was already on Windows to play or use Office, then I start to think why would I shutdown the WIndows and login no PopOS! (was dual boot) just to use linux, if I already logged in on WIndows and could do the same tasks I usually do.. Other reason was VMWare Workstation I really need to use this software for work, and on Linux it freezes more than my refrigerator (p.s. I have a hell of a machine, so, it wasn't the hardware resources)..... But I don't deny, I miss use Linux and I love Gnome workflow.
You don't need to use Office 365 and with exceptions games run fine on Steam/Proton.
just on the VMWare point - could you not try using KVM on Linux instead? It's also a type 1 hyper-visor like ESXi in VMWare and it's also literally built into the Linux kernel
Is it really faster to use the terminal, it seems that you are trading searching through a gui for searching through google?
Also if I need to use windows for work or whatever, what would a good example of software that is linux exclusive? Or is it just the extreme customizability that would make someone want to install linux?
I was thinking this. Once you know a command I suppose it might be quicker, then again most people would probably remember a GUI location easier than memorising a command to type.
@@jonathanellis6097 no commands are faster, because you just need to remember it.
In a GUI you might remember the location, but if the option is in sub menu 5 you still have a lot of mouse navigation to do before you eventually actually execute anything.
The reason I use Linux at work is because I have all the tools I need to do my job.
I don't get bogged down because I have to many programs open.
I don't have a day when IT Operations decided to push a new major update taking half of my workday to complete before I can actually start working.
I can customise my workflow to fit my way of working.
Instead of having to find my RDP program to login to a server that then takes a few minutes to configure my profile, I can instead use SSH and get into the server after a few seconds in the terminal.
I too find myself in terminal so many times, it's just faster if you know what you are doing
I switched from windows to Linux about a month ago. I'm running Mint, learning the terminal, and moving my hardware to Linux compliance. I'm building a PC next year, and it will be set up as a Linux compliant box. So far, I've found this process much easier than I expected.
I think the last point about hardware/driver support is the biggest hurdle for most newcomers. I've learnt the hard way that to get the best experience on Linux you really ought to pick peripherals and components carefully.
just installed.. yeah dualboot is the way, and disable as much windows spyware as possible 😢
Really commend you for the truth spoken in this video. I like Linux because it feels so lightweight and it's a nice break from seeing the same boring desktop of Windows. But the Linux community is what I can't stand. They keep telling me I'm wrong and that I haven't installed the right drivers on my Linux or whatever BS excuse they can think of.
It's good to see there are a few Linux lovers who tell you like it is. I WANT Linux to succeed, maybe in 5 years we get gaming to be fully compatible with Linux at least with the upcoming games because of SteamDeck? But as of now, it's not worth daily driving Linux being a serious gamer.
@@LiveType Sad truth.
A developer OS -- lol. It takes a lot to resist calling out that you probably have more than a few consumer devices running Linux - maybe a TV, phone, or watch. And daily, as you use the internet and consume services over the internet, your bank, Netflix, RUclips...yeah, 99% running on Linux too. Internet infrastructure (DNS, routing)? That's running Linux for sure and there probably isn't a single Windows OS running there. If that stuff was running Windows -- at least historically speaking, a lot of worse stuff would have happened in terms of performance and security problems. The internet would not have progressed as far and fast as it has today by a mile.
I would tell the original guy "Knife Guy Gamer" to take "wanting Linux to succeed" and shove it. If you don't see that it is already an immense success, you're beyond bonkers ignorant.
@@EbonySeraphim desktop Linux and some server are two very different things. The fact that your smart fridge runs Linux really well does not make Ubuntu, Manjaro, etc. any less bad. and it makes you seem extremely disingenuous to pretend that some toaster is close relevant in a discussion of desktop Linux.
@@michaellhoover94 no…Linux is Linux. “Desktop Linux” is just applications, libraries, and graphical display and other “PC” presumed hardware put together to make an experience. The core to how Linux runs software is no different in “desktop” and “server” unless you’re running it wrong in desktop in the first place.
Don’t call me disingenuous because you don’t have a clue what this is/means.
@@EbonySeraphim we all get you are very proud of your toaster. Now go away the adults are talking.
all of these apart from the photoshop one apply to me, this is a good video just to quickly make a decision. I would have to sacrifice multiple games and mods, I had to use office365 to get through college, and I don't wanna be troubleshooting Linux whilst everyone else is getting work done, 99% of people prefer a GUI, this one speaks for itself, and incompatibility is a pain absolutely, made worse by my nvidia GPU.
TL;DR:
0:40 gaming
4:40 office/gimp
7:20 how install things / terminal / ecossistem of hardwares
Add a #6 to the list - music production and audio editing. This is perhaps the biggest weakness of Linux and its most underdeveloped aspect.
Recent improvements have been made, however with the market share being so small most developers don't even bother with Linux support. Hopefully, this will change one day.
I went over to Mint about 6 months ago I was tired of windows endless updates and total control. I am far from an expert on linux but I have found it really is not that hard to leave Windows most of the products I use regularly I have found linux based programs that are as good and some better than what was out there for Windows. Yes, I still have a Windows computer but I am finding myself using it less and less so I guess I am becoming a Linux convert. You are partly responsible for that so please keep teaching me.
gaming is the only thing that prevents me to turning into a full linux user.
i hope the compatibility gets better with the time to a point that's worth it to use linux for gaming.
Great video, I've been doing my own Linux challenge and I like to play games. Its not been smooth sailing in that respect. You really hit the nail on the head on reasons why Linux may not be a good fit. I really want Linux to work, but its not a good fit. I'm a big believer of getting the right tool for the job.
"I'm a big believer of getting the right tool for the job."
Shame the tool in office right now is not the right tool for the job hey Flynn? ;)
I would like to eventually turn my Asus gaming laptop into a Linux machine, once I get a gaming pc. But I don't think that's going to happen due to the programs of Asus not being compatible with Linux. I want to buy an old Thinkpad but god did Covid bump all kinds of prices of various things including Thinkpads. I'll have to see tho.
Let's go Brandon!
Linux gaming also depends on what your idea of gaming is. I play things like Alpha Centauri and Harpoon, very old games that run just fine in Wine. Now if you are gaming online with things like Call of Duty and Diablo, then you are going to have some trouble, because that kind of gaming is essentially a social act, and society by and large is not running Linux, and so is not configured for it. (Ironically, most of the gaming servers probably are running Linux under the hood.)
Now again, if you are willing to change your idea of gaming and maybe give some things up, Linux has a large library of very good games like 0 AD and Sauerbraten. Don't be afraid of getting stuck with Tux Racer...believe me, you won't.
That's why I am dualbooting, I get more used to it as it gets better and I don't lose anything because I can easily switch to windows if I want
I'm still using linux because for me it was a breeze when i transitioned. I have a AMD GPU and i don't have obscure stuff to break, even the accelerometer in HP elitebook laptop works (too much in debian)
using linux when u can already do everything on windows is like buying a ferrari F8 Tributo when u already have a bugatti Chiron Noire.....pointless waste of time and investment!
It's like buying nothing because linux is free...
@@leerobinson8709 how costly is 20$?
there are lots of discounts as well!
Dunno if I agree about gaming, I get a mutch smoother gameplay in most games on linux, and they look better then in windows. Ofc some games dont run at all or run bad, but I usually avoid those, take for ex now, pathfinder wrath of the righeous overheats my cpu in windows, but in linux I can run it without it crashing, its almost 5 c lower temp, taking me from 95+ C to 90c at most if I didnt ran linux I would not have been able to play that game. And a time ago, kings bounty game kept crashing constantly when played on windows, in linux no crashes at all.
I agree that Linux is honestly great for gaming! I have a quadruple boot machine running windows, mint cinnamon, mint xfce, & Manjaro. I definitely use Linux for 99% of my gaming. All the game’s run much faster on Linux and the whole desktop is wicked fast. I have a low end laptop and it’s great! Definitely brings life to older machines!
@1:49 Tinkering as little as changing the Windows version of your Proton prefix, using a patched exe file etc. Mafia II Classic requires a patched exe file and the start option D9VK. :)
@2:17 It is quite the opposite for Manhunt. It works seemless with Proton but requires tweaking on Windows 10. :)
@4:37 If you have games in your library that run poorly or not at all on Linux, then it might be the case. I have none of those games AFAIK. :)
"If you are a hardcore gamer, DON'T USE LINUX.." Wisest words ever heard. Thanks for stepping up and just plain saying it, Chris.
When a game works on Linux, I play it on Linux (ie: Dota 2) but if a game is not supported, I don't waste time trying to make it run on Linux and jump back to windows only to play the game and once I'm done, I go back to Linux.
It's getting better day by day. Of my Steam library, now there are less then 50 of the nearly 700 games that aren't supported by native ports or Proton.
Microsoft has your computer "Monitored and protected" one good reason to go to Linux !?
i don't agree that hardcore gaming is multiplayer only a lot of people play singleplayer games
Usually what people call “hardcore gamers” play competitive games, which means that those games require anticheat. Hopefully it’ll be better soon, but we’ll see.
@9:06 Not necessarily. You don't NEED to use it but those in the know have an advantage over those who don't.
@11:05 Yes, if you don't use obscure hardware but pretty common stuff you have little to no problems.
@13:47 Legacy harware is the opposite. It is better supported on Linux. :)
As far as terminal goes I love it. I started creating software in DOS many moons ago. I have to use Windows for work but I still user CMD and Powershell constantly! I'd rather go into cmd than Windows Explorer :) I guess I'm wired like that. I love Linux and have used it since a whole distro would fit on a floppy disk. Command line is nothing to be scared about.
Dual-booting was definitely the way to go for me. I loved using Linux as my daily driver and then rebooted into Windows for gaming, MS Office, and other software that didn't have a Linux version. Nowadays I mainly use macOS because it was the best alternative (as far as Unix environments go).
I still miss Linux, but two issues really made me sour on it. First, my filesystem seemed to stop working and I could not write any new files. Second, my DE (Cinnamon) just randomly would not load anymore. I'm sure it's probably my fault, but I can't think of anything I did caused these issues, I was always careful when deleting packages and had not installed/deleted anything after it was working. In both cases it happened at the worst moment during important university projects. Maybe I could have rescued them, but for a noob like me, the faster option was always just to reinstall the OS. After that I kinda wanted something that just works.
It has happened to me a few times on Kubuntu that the file system becomes read only. This happens so that the file system does not get damaged further. When I booted up, it would reach a point called Busybox. It is always good to have a second PC to look up for a solution.
The solution worked a few times, and then I decided to reinstall everything on another HDD and that problem came back only once.
I did a full scan of the previous HDD and there were no bad sectors. Maybe the HDD is just getting old?
On Kubuntu, it is a good idea to have 2 or 3 other accounts in case something happens to the first.
Linux is a learning process. You have to figure out these things or ask around.
I am a noob as well.
That's what I said on Linus's daily Linux gaming challenge video. It's impractical. If you primarily run Windows software use Windows. To switch to Linux means to primarily use software native to it. Don't be a Windows user on Linux. Back when I daily drove Linux I was primarily playing games with native ports.
Unfortunately For my chipset, Pentium B960, Linux supports OpenGL3.3 which is required for Latest Blender versions.
But windows drivers can support only upto OpenGL 3.1 🥺
I do believe that the recent light that's being shined on Linux is probably going to make things better for the Linux gamer. Distros are going to keep improving and the community is going to keep putting out software and updates. Hopefully.
As a hardcore photo and video editor, you also have to look carefully as Windows vs Mac, as the released versions of apps for different os's can lead to a lot more work. Some apps in windows have features that mac does not and vice versa. If there is no dedicated support for an app that is evolving in any os, either skip the app or selectively boot / switch machines. It's easier to make compatible file systems vs work around features like cutting out frizzy hair from a background or merge a 3d fx into 4k and 8k video.