Relative rarity of cards is generally already known (based on rarity and number of cards in a set) so stores that open to sell singles can generally guarantee a certain amount of specific cards. From there pricing proceeds the way it does for other cards, number of pre-orders and assumed power. The vast majority of the time, those prices drop of course, most cards are overhyped.
Black is getting overpushed since Dominaria. Every single set since than had an influence on black meta decks. Standard is full of Red and Black Decks. It gets quite boring..
@@Hoxeelmidrange being good is usually a sign of a format being healthy, and black is the best midrange color usually idk I kinda like this meta, but also my PFP is a black card soooo
I love how we got a literal sequel to meathook. Curious if it will become a trilogy. Maybe some spin-offs. We are getting a UB Marvel maybe we might get a multiverse variant of meathook.
@venge1894 so would godfather 2, aliens 2, toy story 2 and the best empire strikes back. So your comment doesn't hold that much weight, def some but there's even more I could name.
@@wipefeetnmat no, Emblems cannot be interacted with in any way. They are just an effect that persists for the duration of the game. That’s why this is so insane.
@wipefeetnmat an emblem isn't a permanent there is no way to get rid of them besides killing said player. So being able to get an amount of +1/+1 emblems for ninjas is nuts. Add chain veil for spice .
@@richardvera721 There actually is exactly one legal way to get rid of them without just getting rid of the player, it's Karn, Liberated. Restarting the game with his ult does remove all emblems that currently exist
@@poutinemcflurry3544 well, they can be interacted of some ways. Sure, you can't target, destroy or exile them, but you still can stiffle their effects
I kinda hate that the new Kaito is such a amazing ninja tribal planewalker, but Kamigawa which had the most Dimir ninjas just rotated out of standard............
I'm going to go ahead and say that Meathook 1 is overall much better. Meathook 2 would be great in a mono deck - especially K'rrik - but that $25 will plunge down 50% in 3 months tops
I am going to assume you are not doing alt art cards. Cause the alternate art Damnation is going for about $32 making it the most expensive card in the set then? I don't know that there aren't any others. I just know that I have the alt art Damnation and that is the cost of it.
These are preorder prices- they will almost certainly all tank in price after release, and some other cards that end up seeing Standard or Modern play will skyrocket.
How does the double X X mana cost convert to the ability X ? Does X X mean if you spend 1B 1B you get +2X ability Or 1B 1B = 1X ability 2B 2B = 2 X ability?
Shouldn’t that exile effect on Valgavoth say “exile WITH Valgavoth”? The text doesn’t follow that you can cast spells from your opponents exile, only cards exiled with Valgavoth Am I reading this correctly?
Look im definitely not an expert but can someone explain to me why Meathook Massacre II is any good ? Like if I have like 10 open mana maybe but it just doesn't seem that great to me.
Pay 0 for x and just keep it on as an enchantment for the abilities. Is it worth 25 bucks? to me, no but I'm cheap as hell and won't pay for more than 8 bucks for a card xD
well, the red prowess decks are mostly a bo1 menace, it will probably go up in price after release but it not going to be anything crazy in paper magic
This was right around prerelease weekend, prices shift and this video was intended to give people an idea of the most hyped cards going into prerelease
@@eebbaa5560 The only thing that might hold that back from happening is the lack of Ninjas in standard. If more come out for him to interact with, it will definitely go up.
@@Trueflights i mean he’ll definitely maintain his price because of yuriko in commander if nothing else. idk if he’s cedh playable, but if he is, then he’s cooked lol
Firstly, no, it isn't. Ignoring the commander tax is not a good design idea. Secondly, it can't be your commander so it would never be in your command zone to begin with
@@luisgutierrez8047 Using "but rule zero" is not a valid argument. He doesn't have commander ninjutsu because unless you yourself decide to break the rules he literally can't be a commander, WotC is not gonna give a card an ability that literally doesn't work in case someone's playgroup decides to play while ignoring rules
he's useable for Oathbreaker format since he's a planeswalker and can be your commander there then take mind funeral as your signature spell and watch the opponent of your choice's life leave their eyes as you make them sacrifce 4+ cards or you could do a simple bounce spell back to your hand and follow up with ninjutsu later to basically have commander ninjutsu.
I am still curoius How the cards are valued before set release like Valgavoth might become a alternate reanimation target in legacy and nothing else. Then Meathook Massacre II is basically twenty times worse than the original Meathook Massacre.
He's a demon that feeds off fear, his idle dreams become real monsters and he reduced all other Duskmorne demons into shells of their original glory. He's Black aligned to his core.
You know people's are freaking out over a tribal buff emblem on a plus one but sorin has a plus one costs the same but it's white and black and isn't tribal it's just all creatures you control
You clearly did either not read Sorin or Kaito properly. Kaito gives a +1+1 emblem on his +1 and has 4 loyalty to begin with Sorin gives a +1/+0 on his minus 2, and comes in with 3 loyalty Yeah sure Kaito's is typal but you completely missed the entire point that makes it insanely good, it being his +1
@lethallizard963 that is true for 99% of cards. But with some cards, we know they will be in higher demand. Look at meat hook massacre (the og) it runs for about 60 bthinkI think. While not a hard guarantee, that can be a good hint into the price increase of this new card. People are going to want this card. Now if we look at the leylines in this set, most if not all of them will decrease in price, especially leyline of the void since it's a reprint and will be increasing the supply, without really increasing demand. I very well could be wrong though 🤷♂️
I will never understand how cards get priced before release.
Fr how does that work?
Hype + presumed meta viability
Relative rarity of cards is generally already known (based on rarity and number of cards in a set) so stores that open to sell singles can generally guarantee a certain amount of specific cards.
From there pricing proceeds the way it does for other cards, number of pre-orders and assumed power.
The vast majority of the time, those prices drop of course, most cards are overhyped.
Just like they get priced afther release. By the market. If ppl pre order that card for x amount it is worth x amount.
Value has always been the result of supply & demand, spoiler season incentivises demand even before the supply.
Black looks really strong in this set
As tte set before. And the one before. And the one before. I hope black gets the short end for a bit.
Personally, I feel like red is getting a decent bit of love this set.
Black is getting overpushed since Dominaria. Every single set since than had an influence on black meta decks.
Standard is full of Red and Black Decks. It gets quite boring..
in draft red-green looks like the better pairing...
@@Hoxeelmidrange being good is usually a sign of a format being healthy, and black is the best midrange color usually idk I kinda like this meta, but also my PFP is a black card soooo
I love how we got a literal sequel to meathook. Curious if it will become a trilogy. Maybe some spin-offs. We are getting a UB Marvel maybe we might get a multiverse variant of meathook.
Same I'm so stoaked I have one in my mono black and can't wait to squeeze this In with it
it won't, it's the joke card of the set because it's a sequel and slightly worse than the original
@@LunarTrickd oh! If that was the intent Great job than lol
Pulled both Kaito and Meathook today from the same bundle, gotta say I’m pretty pumped
Love your formatting man, i like how you give me peeks into the sets, so i don’t have to watch long videos about all the new cards
The sequel is never as good as the original.
i don’t know, there’s definitely upside
Terminator 2 would have a word
@venge1894 so would godfather 2, aliens 2, toy story 2 and the best empire strikes back.
So your comment doesn't hold that much weight, def some but there's even more I could name.
Black is REALLY winning with this set.
Am I the only one wishing that Valgavoth should have had an Extended Art version of the original art?
Emblem on his plus one is insane
Are emblems permanents? I almost strictly play limited so my planeswalker interaction is near zero.
@@wipefeetnmat no, Emblems cannot be interacted with in any way. They are just an effect that persists for the duration of the game. That’s why this is so insane.
@wipefeetnmat an emblem isn't a permanent there is no way to get rid of them besides killing said player. So being able to get an amount of +1/+1 emblems for ninjas is nuts. Add chain veil for spice .
@@richardvera721 There actually is exactly one legal way to get rid of them without just getting rid of the player, it's Karn, Liberated.
Restarting the game with his ult does remove all emblems that currently exist
@@poutinemcflurry3544 well, they can be interacted of some ways. Sure, you can't target, destroy or exile them, but you still can stiffle their effects
I actually just pulled valgavoth when I went to a prerelease today! it clutched me so many rounds
Pulled meathook massacre in my first booster set 🎉 these duskmourn cards are sick
Nice, I have all 3 of these. I have 2 Valgavoth, one is the showcase and meathook massacre 2
Thank you wotc for finally printing a few good black cards for Standard! 😮 😅
Are planeswalkers trapped there like on ixilan or is kaito just having fun?
I pulled TWO Terror Eaters on day one. One in foil from a CB, and one in my prerelease kit.
I pulled Kaito and Valgavoth in the same pack, I’m currently planning my trip to vegas
Are there going to be more ninja creatures soon? hopefully because its weird that he buffs them withe them on low numbers in strandard as of now.
there’s nashi and there might be more in death race or tarkir. plus there will be changelings in lorwyn
@@eebbaa5560 maybe in foundations as well
he also buffs himself with his emblems on your turn since he becomes a ninja...I can't wait to use him for Oathbreaker games where he'll really shine!
Another must for my ninjutsu deck
Both of those black cards are going right into my K’rrik deck
I kinda hate that the new Kaito is such a amazing ninja tribal planewalker, but Kamigawa which had the most Dimir ninjas just rotated out of standard............
Kaito might be playable but the other two are win more cards that won't see play
Valgavoth can easily be played on Legacy reanimator decks, and MMII on Commander, so im pretty sure u're wrong
That Kaito is just overkill
I have a Kaito and got excited for a few seconds
I want that Kaito and Valgavoth so bad
Bru plus one for an emblem for Ninjas that stack that crazy they had to make the katios stacked asf each set lol
True story I opened a pack and it had the 9/9 demon and meathook in the same pack. Meathook was the foil.
It’s a shame it isn’t for rogues AND ninjas, I thought they were establishing something going forward with that template in neon dynasty. :(
I'm going to go ahead and say that Meathook 1 is overall much better. Meathook 2 would be great in a mono deck - especially K'rrik - but that $25 will plunge down 50% in 3 months tops
Kaito's +1 stacks, right?
yeah, there isn’t a limit on the amount of emblems
Yep. It's honestly pretty nuts.
Lmaooo love how my brother in law pulls a meathook as their foil prerelease card 🤣
So Kaito is WOTC's new Jayce XD
I am going to assume you are not doing alt art cards. Cause the alternate art Damnation is going for about $32 making it the most expensive card in the set then? I don't know that there aren't any others. I just know that I have the alt art Damnation and that is the cost of it.
LOWKEY doesn’t make sense how I didn’t pull either of these out of 36 packs (booster box)
Wait... how do you use the loyalty abilities if its a creature during your turn?
You just do. lol
Creatures can use loyalty abilities on them if they have the required counters without needing to be planeswalkers, see Luxior from new capenna
But in China Meathook Massacre II worths only around 70RMB(about 10 dollars)…
But..how? Isn't duskmourn coming out on the 27th of September?
preorder prices
These are preorder prices- they will almost certainly all tank in price after release, and some other cards that end up seeing Standard or Modern play will skyrocket.
@gam1ng_pr0d1gy7 i pre-ordered too...yet i have no boosters to open. So...who's setting the prices?
Can’t wait to Final Showdown away someone’s board with a Kaito creature on their turn
What happens if you mutate Kaito while he's a creature?
Weird shit, really weird shit happens
All for it@@carterbonds898
It be easier to explain banding
Bro isn't a human when he's a creature 😂
If you mutate on top, its a creature always but also a 3/4 hexproof ninja instead on your turn. If you mute below, he just gets extra text lmao
How does the double X X mana cost convert to the ability X ?
Does X X mean if you spend 1B 1B you get +2X ability
Or 1B 1B = 1X ability
2B 2B = 2 X ability?
X in the effect means "the amount you choose to pay for X" if you pay 20 and BBBB X is 10, because you chose the number 10 for X, they don't add up
@@phaeste Okey thank you. That mean you need to at least pay 1X 1X BBBB to get ability 1X
why is ashiok not in this set
Is kaito the ONLY planeswalker or the ONLY new planeswalker?
Only Planeswalker in the Set. Most Planeswalker lost their Spark.
@@KYOHMOTO also wotc just flat out said they won't be printing more often
So even if they all still had their spark, we won't be seeing much anymore
Sadly yes, despite them printing a saga that interacts woth Tamio planeswalkers. (She's my favorite, wish they printed a new version of her this set)
@@colinhobbs7265
She's literally dead.
@@BryceLeft why
Shouldn’t that exile effect on Valgavoth say “exile WITH Valgavoth”?
The text doesn’t follow that you can cast spells from your opponents exile, only cards exiled with Valgavoth
Am I reading this correctly?
The +1 is really strong each turn permanently+1 is strong this is a permanent+1 two turn plus 2 etc
Maybe in standard. In EDH (specifically Yuriko) I'd rather draw 3 as often as possible
Look im definitely not an expert but can someone explain to me why Meathook Massacre II is any good ? Like if I have like 10 open mana maybe but it just doesn't seem that great to me.
Pay 0 for x and just keep it on as an enchantment for the abilities. Is it worth 25 bucks? to me, no but I'm cheap as hell and won't pay for more than 8 bucks for a card xD
For casual commander players, anything that costs 4-6 mana, and might do something IF you do something else also, gets labed "good"
@xwolfionx do you like mpc proxies ?
I’m getting the double exposure of both nashi and kaito, coz I have a ninja deck lol
Gideon from the gatewatch that gave the +1+1 anthem for +0 (he starts at 4) was ok but giving hexproof to Kaito on top of ALL that?! Nah man come on
Meathook massacre II? So it has begon. Soon we will have Wood Elfs VII
Why would they make kaito create an emblem as a +1 ability?
Surprised the red leyline isnt on here with the turn two standard kill
well, the red prowess decks are mostly a bo1 menace, it will probably go up in price after release but it not going to be anything crazy in paper magic
Anyone know how Kaito still has a spark?
Just opened a Foil Promo Kiato todau ❤
I feel we are getting less and less plainswalkers
ive opened 2 duskmorn play packs so far got the vadgjkfljsf lair ( not googling the name ) and the MHM2 i feel like i can stop and be happy lmfao
*TWO MANA 4 LOYATY PLANESWALKER THAT HAS AN EMBLEM UPTICK*
its 3/4 mana. also there exactly 3 other ninjas in standard right now so its not that crazy
The planeswalker kaito only goes for about 8 dollars idk what your on about
This was right around prerelease weekend, prices shift and this video was intended to give people an idea of the most hyped cards going into prerelease
I really hope Kaito drops down a bit in price when the set releases because I really want him for my commander deck
i feel like he’ll get played in standard and actually increase
@@eebbaa5560 I really hope not...but we'll have to see if it brings up new powerful ninja decks
I suspect with time it won't be that valuable. Cuz although it does a lot for its cost, it's not absolutely insane and it's pretty niche
@@eebbaa5560 The only thing that might hold that back from happening is the lack of Ninjas in standard. If more come out for him to interact with, it will definitely go up.
@@Trueflights i mean he’ll definitely maintain his price because of yuriko in commander if nothing else. idk if he’s cedh playable, but if he is, then he’s cooked lol
Nobody tell him about Abhorrent Oculus
Tbh we know Valgavoth terror eater has a strong chance of being banned
its a shame kaito dosent have commander ninjutsu
Firstly, no, it isn't. Ignoring the commander tax is not a good design idea. Secondly, it can't be your commander so it would never be in your command zone to begin with
@@Sorfalloit can be if you want. Can just agree with your friends that commander tax also applies to his ability
@@luisgutierrez8047It can't be your commander tho
@@luisgutierrez8047 Using "but rule zero" is not a valid argument.
He doesn't have commander ninjutsu because unless you yourself decide to break the rules he literally can't be a commander, WotC is not gonna give a card an ability that literally doesn't work in case someone's playgroup decides to play while ignoring rules
he's useable for Oathbreaker format since he's a planeswalker and can be your commander there then take mind funeral as your signature spell and watch the opponent of your choice's life leave their eyes as you make them sacrifce 4+ cards or you could do a simple bounce spell back to your hand and follow up with ninjutsu later to basically have commander ninjutsu.
got kaito at prerelease :)
Wait I’m pretty sure kaito is not the only PW
forgot if I wrote that on anpther channel, so: NIN JUTSU - it's not that hard
I feel like Meathook would be less expensive with another name...
I am still curoius How the cards are valued before set release like Valgavoth might become a alternate reanimation target in legacy and nothing else. Then Meathook Massacre II is basically twenty times worse than the original Meathook Massacre.
How any market works for anything?
And OFC I somehow didn’t pull any…. From my entire booster box. What bs
So because kaito is a creature on your turn can he be your commander?
No, it specifies "as long as he has one or more loyalty counters"
@@doomclaw9787 ok thanks. Didn’t read that part lol.
meathook massacre 2 is a real card i thought that was a joke
None of these prices will hold up
Don't have these three cards 😞😢
Valgavoth should've been white -
Present a counterargument.
He's a demon that feeds off fear, his idle dreams become real monsters and he reduced all other Duskmorne demons into shells of their original glory. He's Black aligned to his core.
@@patrickboland2231 but... but...
🦋
We need something to remove emblems.
Pretty sure there’s other cards above 20$
Don't worry guys, they'll ban these cards too so, they should be around a couple of cents in a few months.
Meathook Massacre 2 is pure laziness from WotC
Tyvar wil be more expensive.
i got a foil kaito whoop whoop
Nop, Oculus is goin to 30 buks
I hate how valgvoth looks. It is so obviously AI that it’s cringe
But meat hook sucks??
I stoped playing this game over 20 years ago. I don’t regret it.
why did you stop playing? i just started yesterday and wanna know?
Mustang meet Model-T🤣
Bro the game has changed come play some Edh with us , you can proxy a whole deck for $40 or buy a precon
You know people's are freaking out over a tribal buff emblem on a plus one but sorin has a plus one costs the same but it's white and black and isn't tribal it's just all creatures you control
You clearly did either not read Sorin or Kaito properly.
Kaito gives a +1+1 emblem on his +1 and has 4 loyalty to begin with
Sorin gives a +1/+0 on his minus 2, and comes in with 3 loyalty
Yeah sure Kaito's is typal but you completely missed the entire point that makes it insanely good, it being his +1
All 3, but especially meat hook are deffinately going to go up in price. Id be very surprised if they dont
The set hasnt been released yet, so wont prices decrease once there is a supply of cards?
@lethallizard963 that is true for 99% of cards. But with some cards, we know they will be in higher demand. Look at meat hook massacre (the og) it runs for about 60 bthinkI think. While not a hard guarantee, that can be a good hint into the price increase of this new card. People are going to want this card.
Now if we look at the leylines in this set, most if not all of them will decrease in price, especially leyline of the void since it's a reprint and will be increasing the supply, without really increasing demand. I very well could be wrong though 🤷♂️
I love ninjas and have a ninja edh deck but wow I hate the new kaito. No thoughts, no strategy, all powercreep
The most expensive is $25. I take it this set is nothing that good
Vro this is cheap af 😂 every expansion this game goes cheaper
Mate the set isn't even out. Those are not the most expensive cards. It's all speculation... smh
Most expensive cards on speculation. Happy now?