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So he is talking about 'naturals' in terms of academia.
I think another point he is making is that the majority of people that are smart are 'inherently' that way, thus you can not make people more intelligent than those who are 'naturally' smart.
I can see his initial point about people being at different intelligence levels because we aren't all the same, therefore not equal, which I consider to be a fact. For example my siblings are not the same as I, and we yet we are the closest things to having the same DNA.
However, I disagree that we are born severely different in terms of intelligence. The variance in intelligence between new borns would be 'immaterial', almost non existent. Then it is your experiences that will shape your intelligence, given the assumption that we do not include abnormal humans like those with autism because they be both extremely intelligent in terms of academia and also mentally disabled (Both ends of the spectrum, thus outliers/extremes).
Therefore I would have to conclude that we are victims of experience. That our intelligence is determined by what we can't control (Which sounds fatalistic). However only up until the point of consciousness. Once we become conscious we are aware and therefore can work/educate ourselves to the same level and further than those who are naturally talented.
Perhaps it is the old question of nature vs nurture.
My answer would be nature up until the point of consciousness (If reached) then nurture takes over. This is what I believe to be the purpose of our schools. To reach consciousness.
Interesting eh?
Wow. Thank you Paul! Insightful response! The notion of that we are victims of experience is one worthy of a truly endeavoring conversation to explore all the nuances involved.
Curious what others have to think about these points. Please share what you think on this thought
Paul Allen I'm not sure how you can measure a newborn's intelligence, but at as early as 6 months old, you can see vast differences in intelligence. I havent see studies that show geniuses were also smarter when they were young, but I'm guessing they exist. Your siblings for example should've had very similar experiences as you but I'm guessing there is up to 20 points difference in IQ.
I want to believe, and my personal experience backs up, what you are saying, but the psychological community is overwhelmingly convinced that intelligence is almost completely genetic.
One thing is what you believe. Another what research shows and research shows that genetics accounts for at least 55% of peoples IQ and some research suggests that that number is way higher. Studies of seperated twins and adopted children shows this quite clearly eventhough I have only been able to find older studies.
If you find the whole nature vs nurture talk interessting if think you would enjoy a norwegian documentary series Hjernevask (norwegian for brainwash). It has to be said that it was to a large part intended to challenge the idea that nurture is everything which is quite dominant in academia here in Scandinavia (I am from Denmark). It is therefore very pro nature but it presents a lot of interesting research and the presenter is a socilogist (and a comedian).
You can find the episodes here on youtube with english subtitles. Search for 'hjernevask documentary'. I hope you find it interesting and hopefully not too aggravating as the researchers representing the nurture part are quite an academic embarrashment.
Both interesting comments. I, like the psychological community, feel there is an element of our intelligence that is inherit. And in accordance with 81deneb81 statistics it seems that to be the case. However I am starting to think that we are comprised of two intelligence streams. One is long-term (DNA/Genetic), and the other is short-term (Individual experiences).
DNA is like a cumulative intelligence. For example, 10 generations of scientists vs. 10 generations of wrestlers. (Oversimplification)
Individual experiences is based on the shorter term aka 1 generation. In this one lifetime you are acted upon by the world around you (victim of experiences, thus fatalistic), until you reach consciousness or a state of awareness where you are unbound and free to increase your level of understanding (intelligence) exponentially.
Now I am going to sound like a mad scientist. It's the idea that everything you have learnt is added to your DNA. Based on this assumption, at the point your intelligence is highest you should have children so that their DNA includes your individual experiences and therefore will now be smarter than you were at birth.
I have no facts to support this idea, it's speculative but it is a nice, simple explanation that works in the grey area of intelligence and fits with the statistics.
5:15
JBP: "Not all cocaine addicts have low IQ by the way"
Audience *audible relief*
fub ababar Doctors use it to stay up
tt Morgan you’d be very surprised
He didnt have to save it...if you’re a coke addict, that’s a bad choice... fair to say they’re probably a dipshit.
@@sarahwebster8927 all drug addicts are dipshits
There's actually a positive correlation between drug use and IQ. The higher the intelligence the more likelihood of you using drugs. Though there might not be such a correletion for drug ADDICTION.
Literally nothing about this was about how to use money productively.
Right?
Well, he did mention don’t buy cocaine...
watch the video again
yeah i would recommend watching this again John Hayes, maybe open your ears this time
Thanks for saving my time.
Elon Musk is a testament to why its not so bad that the cognitive elite get the most money. This man is flying spaceships to mars, flying 13,000 satelites to orbit and bringing electric cars to mass market, pioneering re-usable rockets, etc etc. God bless Elon Musk
100%
2:16 The look of the girl to the couple behind her. Just heartbreaking :( .
Jesus, I cannot listen because the noise gate is so jarring and the clipping is causing distortion. Pls audio guy. Dont noise gate a speaker, or at least give it a longer attack.
My man put a 0.01ms attack on JP over here
I think the interviewer wanted Jordan to look at him while he was speaking lol
😂
Less billionaires more millionaires this would help tremendously. Please pass it on, please.
well im not sure what the real question is, but #BigWar is always the most valid answer!!
Liberals don't say that everyone is the same. Equality of oppurtunity is what we seek for. That's all.
Maybe instead of dumping money on less fortunate people, let them earn that money through projects that benefit the community.
Project that need money to do
Just goes to show, the rest of us have to work twice as hard.
We know his to doit and we know what's right but there is no will.
0:03 Eric Weinstein in the Crowd.
“You wasted $150,000 on an education you coulda got for $1.50 in late fees at the public library.”
― Matt Damon, Good Will Hunting
My boy’s wicked smart.
Probably the best advice ever. Period.
Stuff in the public library are out of date, though. If you go in self-learning, you don't know what your education roadmap looks like, suffer the Dunning-Kruger effect and end up falling into a black hole. You might have a lot of accumulated knowledge, but that knowledge is disorganized and unstructured, similar to installing a shit ton of random apps on your phone. If you want to be useful, your body of knowledge has to have some structure to it, organized so as to make you a functional human being. There are also plenty of things you don't learn just from books, a lot of content that are not published in books, but are spread via word of mouth, through communities (including online communities), etc.
There's also the saying that goes "you are the average of the 5 people you hang out the most with", so if you don't take advantage of the networking opportunities an education brings you, you are missing out.
But don't spend $150k on an education unless you have rich parents or a scholarship that helps you pay for it... but ironically, sometimes being in debt for some people is just the kick in the ass they need to orient their lives towards making a lot of money and being very profitable.
Money is what we agree it is -Robert Kiyosaki. Is a diploma not the same?
@@cryora great reply!
Completely mistitled thumbnail. Very Important points made however.
Martin Iversen I always enter for the titled topic, then my mind is distracted because it's a different but very interesting other topic, then realize I've been mislead again. Don't know if I'm more thankful or resentful
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Yes. But once the video ends, you don't see the thumbnail anymore. It's good misdirection.
But feels dirty.
The last sentence was on topic though. "Money is not an easy resource to use productively". The end.
The example with Harvard is incomplete... You can also make a good donation and get in.... lol
That's all Universities
Or just bribe admissions as the FBI found
Or blackmail them for sleeping with little children in Thailand.
Or be a leftist activist that isn't actually all that smart like that guy David Hogg.
That just proves his point even further. Only very few families have the resources to make a huge donation lmao
He's in the middle of silicon valley with all the technically brilliant people...and they can't gate a microphone headset properly.
Virtuoso80👏👏👏
Joe Rogan had a better mic than this
Theater technician here. My high school can do a better job at gating a mic. During a pep rally we have maybe as many as 30 people using the same mic ranging from shy freshman class leadership crew to confident competent motivational speakers. Two speakers on two microphones how do you mess this gig up? :)
yeah this is the editor not the venue
''Money is not an easy resource to use productively''..........Very true.
That escalated so fast it's kind of hilarious. You completely missed Dom's message if this is your reaction. Read it again, but slowly
And which resource is easy to use productively? Money is a mean of exchange. This means you use them in exchange for anything you can make productive, be it materials, be it tools, be it workers to use the tools to transfer the materials to something useful following your vision. What is really hard is to do this competitively competently, meaning being a successful entrepreneur.
If people at large could not use money productively what use would money have for them? Even the simple thing like buying a raw food and then produce dinner for family with the tools bought means being productive with the money on some level. Everything else is just scaling it and adopting for meeting of other needs.
But the point Peterson is actually making (in between the lines) is that any resource needs sound planning and honest work in order to use it productively, even the money which many assume would solve problems on it's own.
@n0ckter Borrowing money into existence is this unfortunate new model created by central banks and has nothing to do with capitalism itself in economic terms. It's rather a privilege of the central bank to do whatever it pleases with currency.
Interest as economic category is outcome of time preference. If you have assets you can use productively over time you prefer to have those assets rather now than later as if you can use them right now, you can make more of them over time. Interest paid to the lender is compensation for lost opportunity therefore lender weighs whether he have better opportunities himself or he can rather co-exploit the opportunity of someone else who himself do not have enough assets to pursue it and they both profit in the process. Now if the ultimate lender can print his money as he pleases, it turns it on its head, but generally this principle is still valid except the central banking.
Taxation as a return of money to economy is nonsense. Taxation is simply just income for state. The money circulate through the economy by exchange. Even the lending is returning the money into economy. Inflation is a tool the central bank uses to circulate them faster, as it is increasingly costly to keep them, which is to the loss of people who need to save up for bigger investment or retirement.
Higher taxation just means it is comparatively cheaper to make something yourself that buying it as you do not pay the high taxes on it in that case. It hampers enterprise and exchange with the added costs.
@stefano ferrari America is socialism for rich people
Who defines what a productive use is?
I have a very low IQ my Dad told me when I was a kid that I would have to work twice as hard as everyone else to succeed, and I did and it paid off
So what are u doing rn
I know plumbers, electricians, drillers, and welders making more money than me and I'm an engineer. This isn't the 19th and early-mid 20th century where only with a high end education you'll be successful. Many trades careers pay better than most stem careers.
@@Peglegkickboxer thats partially because there are no fixed prices for the services of plumbers/electricians/etc, so they can charge you obsolete amount and they often do
@@Mairesist that depends on the region and type of work. Not all trades are for residential services.
@@Peglegkickboxer right, but the residential services probably amount to most of the market (im guessing), so its quite fucked up that there is no regulation for these professions and that they can basically charge you whatever they want ,especially since there isnt many of them anymore.
EDIT: which i think is the reason why increasingly people are starting to learn how to do it themselves, because last time I needed a plumber, it took him literally just an hour to fix it and he charged me 100 euros (around 130-140 dollars i believe), not bad for an hour´s work eh?
"you can't possibly spend more than 400 million dollars" - Hold my beer...
1.) 330ft Super yacht Equnimity-Jho Low- $258 million
2.) 220 Central Park south manhattan New York penthouse Ken griffin - $230 million.....
Ummm
Mister Peterson?
You can start many businesses and build schools ...
Spend 5 minutes in Dubai.
Give me a week
Lol 2 items worth over 400mm. IQ...Low....haha
"Money is not an easy resource to use productivly" - Amen
that very last point can not be overstated. so many of the social problems we have today are NOT going to be fixed by throwing (more) money at them.
We seriously need to figure out how we can get the publics intellectual opinion with feedback from relevant experts to help our politians with how to spend money. How else do you think we could approach this problem?
@@SimulationSeries Social mobility seems to increase dramatically when access education is provided equally across a society. This is the case in scandinavia at least, where social mobility is much higher than in the US f. ex. However there are potentially a whole host of other factors.
@@SimulationSeries the first step is to figure out where all the money is currently going and if it all needs to go there. The government (USA) takes in billions upon billions yet still runs at deficits, still tries to raise new taxes, still complains there isn't enough. There will never be enough. The problem is always viewed upside down.
Its actually pretty cruel to deny those with less money to say they dont deserve it because they have problems !
@@iamasmurf1122 truth hurts
Ted - "If you tried as hard as you could in your entire life, there is no way you could spend more than $400,000,000."
Me - "Here, hold my responsibility."
"Everyone's the same. Yeah, um they're not."
*They're
@@JorgePille yeah yeah voice to text fail
*laughter*
@@nPcDrone oh cool
@RAF XGaming oh stop trying to be different
"As inequality increases, societies destabilise." That's interesting, and cause for concern
That's what's been going on lately....
North Korea is equal and stable.
Ahhh Merica
He mentioned that twice
I watched this video waiting for Jordan to tell me what to do with my savings.
Become a genius.. or a person of higher intelligence.. you will know how to spend it
First step is understanding the problem and situation, which is what Jordan explains in his lectures
I’ve noticed something in my life. I notice many geniuses minds are constantly racing and therefore get bored and don’t stick with things(fucked up geniuses).I’ve also met plenty a (moderately not extreme)successful people of moderate IQ that are successful by being consistent and sticking with one field for 20+ years. I would be curious to hear Jordan’s thoughts on that.
He stated multiple times that success in western hierarchies is determined both by intelligence AND conscientiousness. Your first example is a high IQ-low conscientiousness type. The second one is an average IQ-high conscientiousness type. It is my understanding that Peterson's thought on the matter is that you must consider both these factors in order to predict and understand success. Also, people who score extremely low on IQ will have a very hard time being productive in any kind of field of employment. Little to no hope of success for them. This is of course a general picture, there are plentiful exceptions. It is important not to rely solely on personal experience while addressing any broad social issue, but to use as much statistical data available as possible.
He said very often than the way to predict the success rate of a person depends more of the habits and the discipline than the intelligence or the learning hability.
Soon or later discipline defeat talent... That what a ex boss of mine said to me very often and I didn't understand it, but it's something true.
Resilience it's another important factor, do whatever you do knowing and accepting the possibility of failure.
Openess to experience coorelates with iq so this isn't too surprising.
Im kind of this that you described but i also know that every choice is a refuse (to the other things you didnt choose). So its kind of conscientioness.
Understanding, knowing and accept that every choice is also a refuso and dont look back.
At least its a starting point for some.
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"money is not an easy resource to use productively". Gem of a quote
ljbrandt500,
The current monetary system inefficient? What a surprise...
It was so weird i was scrolling down in the comments and read this comment at the exact same time he was saying it. That was trippy.
Had a great time attending this event. Peterson was amazing! 🙏
Indeed he was! Pretty sure I was sitting next to you Sleuth at the top left of the audience. Glad I could see Peterson Live, who knows when that opportunity will come again
Dusty O'Daffer I was disappointed there was no hot dog vendor
Lucky!!
I saw you on the camera
So did he sit on the left or the right? He changes position in the video 😁
Jordan "Look, let me give you an example" Peterson
Peter "in the" charland
Can you come up with something better?
Joe Rogan’d.
@thomas mccormack That's such a great epithet: "Muppet!" First time I heard it was in "Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels." Hilarious!
Because some people can’t keep up with what he’s saying so he has to use examples to help them out or else his concept he’s trying to make flies with over their heads
I will send this to Ali Abdal
Why?
I've meditated on this many times and one thing I know for certain if I came into wealth is that I wouldn't tell anyone, not even my own family. I would safe keep it until I came up with a clear plan to put it to work for me and the people I care about in my life.
I had the problem he was talking about in the end. As a drug addict who used every drug to disconect myself from myself and from my life, everytime I got money I would spend everything within a day or at least within a week. My parents even helped me get out of debt by giving me a few grand. I got out of debt, but rolled right back into debt in a few months. Doing this makes me feel so extremly worthless, which makes me not want do anything for myself because I hate myself. All the lying and stealing just to destroy myself. But I ran into Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan and Jocko Willink, and these men helped me create the will to live and to become someone better. Now I am still not nearly where I could be or even in a good place for that matter. but I quit drugs, and are working day by day to fix the mess I created.
I am extremly gratefull for those men, for they are the reason I still fight. And I know I'm not the only one.
This person needs to be in a real position of power. I'm a bleeding heart liberal and I know what he's saying is true.
A Jung follower and a guy who thinks he knows personal finance and business? If you want someone who really knows what they're talking about, listen to Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger. Those guys are real intellectuals whose principles have stood the test of time. Men like Peterson will fall by the wayside as the years go by. Peterson continually leaves his circle of competence when he talks about subjects that he has little to no understanding of, but still wants to seem smart about them. Warren Buffett is of the belief that in investing, there is no need for a higher IQ than what's at the average and that you should "exchange" those IQ points for more money (obviously a joke). He knows that his job is easy and is nowhere as stressful as some other jobs and that he gets paid to do what he loves. He knows more about these sorts of things than Peterson, a professor and generally hack, will ever know. Peterson does have some good ideas, but too much credit is given just because people want to spite the liberals.
@@dogestranding5047 Warren Buffet is lying so people like you don't get out their pitchforks.You must be naive to think IQ doesn't impact wealth.
@@xxitzsmellyxx That's an excuse to believe a bunch of nonsense. Who ever said that IQ doesn't impact wealth? It can help, but if IQ were a good indicator for wealth, then PhDs would be the richest people, but look at Long Term Capital Management, which was run by Nobel Prize winners. I don't think IQ matters much when it comes to making money other than not being below average (e.g.: mentally retarded/severely challenged). There are so many other characteristics that matter more like temperament and having good principles. Peterson is exactly the sort of person who overestimates his circle of competence.
@@dogestranding5047 Really? Comparing Jung with the likes of Warren Buffet? lol being rich does not equate intelligence
@@dogestranding5047 Where to invest and when to invest. A high IQ person will question it but low IQ folks will simply invest.
Winning the genetic lottery , having a very high IQ , being extremely talented at certain things are almost NEVER the indicators as to how successful someone will turn out later in life ... Self-awareness , self-esteem , empathy , excellent communication skills , mindfulness and having a curious mind will ALWAYS trump being having an high IQ in determining success in life ...
The background and the armchair must give the video compression algorithm an easy life
The more I hear his lectures, the more I admire his vast knowledge, his verbal IQ, and courage to speak the truth.
But he is saying some bullshit, do you know? He is not all knowing and he overextends is knowledge to things he does not know.
I like how well he speaks: very precise, clear on definition, avoids politically corrects stereotypes. A true intellectual, even if sometimes he just makes mistakes.
@@adamoleoni2272 Try to back up your argument with evidence and show me the videos of him saying bullsh!t!
@@adamoleoni2272 you must be watched that atheist guy with the long hair debunk him. Ever since then I'm selctive on what I take from JP.
An average person with a strong work ethic beats a naturally above average person who is lazy any day. I think he misses this. But great info.
Yeah there will always be exceptions
+Amar Star
But he never said a lazy above average intelligence would be successful at anything. And then there is the fact that most people with an above average intelligence is unlikely to be lazy.
@mel saint not exception, they are actually more successful in terms of normal life, good salary, better social health. Intelligence come with lots of problems, which very few people can deal with or want to deal with. Most end up destructing themselves.
He doesn´t mis it at all, thats what conscientiousness means. 2:50 "yeah you work hard, you're and entrepreneur, you put in 60 hours a week..."
Having a strong work ethic is genetic too. Its not some achievement, people just are or arent. Its part of being naturally above average.
That's why leaders of tribes (Native Americans, Vikings, Saxons, for example, in years gone) were indeed leaders. The tribe recognised that everyone is not the same and that the tribe would benefit as a whole when the 'right' person was chosen as leader. They recognised that certain traits were required in a leader and it was beneficial to allow the leader a larger share of the tribe's wealth in return for being their leader. Once primogeniture became established, the success of the tribe became subject to genetic chance.
@timwins31 I agree wholeheartedly. Though the whole of my heart is very likely to be different to the whole of others' hearts. Very likely mine is bigger and therefore my agreement is worth more !
It does do that, but the question is - how well does it do it?
and then came the myth of bloodlines.
In Islam, being a leader is very Important too.
look at the girl at the end of the cut to the audience at around 02:15 how she looks at the happy couple, poor girl :/
wow i didnt notice her
Ur sick
IQ >= 200
I'd be very surprised if she was single herself.
I wish someone would look at me like that :(
interesting.
fuckall to do with the description. to an embarrassing degree.
but interesting, nonetheless.
seems like this was a diy venue since there was no technician present to prevent audio distortion
A great benefit of going to a selective university or private school is the opportunity to associate with other people who come from wealthy families.
Those type of connections will help but it does not replace the importance of IQ. And if you have a low IQ, connections will not help in the long run.
Having an intelligent discussion is a good start to address the society problems . People who don't like him usually are the ones who are afraid to face their own demons . Nobody is perfect but at least he has balls to bring the ugly subjects to the surface and talk to people about them .
3:56 HAHAAHAhAHAHA Ask Johnny Depp... He knows how to spend 600 million dollars +
A house in California recently sold for $165 million. Pretty sure a couple of those would wipe out even the largest fortune in history, never mind making business-scale purchases.
@@tylerguitar75 But thats not considered spending. You turn one form of asset into another. The house can be resold at higher or lower price in the future depend on many factors.
It's not spending it's investing bro
@@navneetTanks no it's spending.
Put a Harvard student in the jungle and then see how he gets on.
+David 135
Like really means something.
Foreal send their asses to Vietnam
That's a bad example unfortunately. They might do worse than a local who has the benefit of generations of wisdom, but will probably do better than their very dumb colleague, which proves Peterson's point.
Put a kid from the jungle into Harvard and see how he goes
It just shows that you turned jealousy into anger to Harvard student.
“There is no way you could spend $400 million dollars if you won the lottery”
CHALLENGE ACCEPTED
I could buy 2-3 villas in Belair with that. All in one day. 400 million dollars gone.
There are yachts that cost over $400 million
I'd see my family Ok. Then the remaining money is great seed money for a charity and mine would be respite homes for severely autistic children so parents can get a break, and thus continue being able to care, as the terrible burden would be lifted at least once a month.
Buy a $401 million company
Talking about intelligence.. I find MENSA quiet interesting.
I have talked with some MENSA members and every time i have asked them what MENSA does and what they think MENSA should do.
It turns out that it does nothing, and non of the members i have talked with have any ambitions of what MENSA should do, they all think it should not do anything.
So as far as i can see, MENSA is a place for people with high IQ that just want to have it on a paper that they have a high IQ,
but they dont want that "club" with only smart people to do anything.
To me that show us clearly that not all smart people is necessarily so very smart.
Most of them said strait out that they just wanted it to be a social club.. lol
Private school never made anybody smarter than they are, but it does give opportunity to students that the public school system doesn't give two shits about.
I disagree, maybe it doesn't make someone smarter going to a private school, but going to a bad school can make someone dumber, lazier, more depressed and more violent.
there is an old saying that goes something like
things that are given to you for free will have the least value, while things that cost you, will be valued the most.
if you applied that idea to private schools. it might look something like this..
if you have to PAY for your education, then perhaps you will study harder because you will want your moneys worth.
also why exactly do "capitalists" have to be "smug" I've freely help folks with free financial advice for decades how does that make me smug?
isn't that idea predicated on someone else;s jealousy.
being successful in a capitalistic society is free information to everyone who is willing to put forth the effort to learn it. nowadays, its simply the individual freedom of choice that keeps people poor and nothing more.
Bennett Music Labs You're right public schools provide the same education if you are willing to work hard enough. But realistically how many kids work hard enough to get the education that they should be receiving in the first place? Probably about %5 if I had to guess. And if I'm to believe you, then you would maybe say "well they should have made the decision to work harder and received better education as a result of their hard work" but if kids aren't old enough to consent legally for sex or make other grown up decisions, what makes you think that they are in their right mind to willingly choose a better education for themselves. It's a decision that children shouldn't be allowed to make, yet by some crazy logic are allowed to. I ask you again, in a society where children are not allowed to make hardly descisions, what makes you think school is any different? So I do not think that people are willingly remaining stupid, or staying poor like you said, but it is a much more complex issue than that and one that needs solving. And I am not at all for a socialist society, but in a place where we make as much money as we do and are as prosperous as we are, why not have better education in public schools? Who does it really hurt? The Greeks used education as a way to divide different classes of wealth and keep the poor stupid. I honestly feel that for all that we have accomplished we would've come up with something less stupid all these years later, I guess not though.
Bennett Music Labs Also, while your formatting is pretty I don't think that it is really suited for a comment such as yours. If you are to break the comment into paragraphs it would look better and be more proper if you padded out your paragraphs more.
In Switzerland it's actually other way....The country put a lot of money on the education system.
So if you go in public school: you got a chance
if you go in private school: We give you a LAST chance of success
In other country: Private school is a second chance of success
Hmm there's something a bit odd about the opinions he voices - he kind of oversimplifies arguments to get his point across - I question his motives - I notice he loves order and the status quo and traditional hierarchies and uses whatever argument there is to reinforce this. Interesting - more preacher than teacher
I always thought I was smart, then one day a real friend said to me “if you’re so smart why ain’t you rich?”
Because being smart has nothing to do with being rich. You have to be okay with having no ethics to get there.
{Delete this} true
@@v_eye_let_17 Being smart absolutely has everything to do with being rich. You don't become rich without making intelligent, calculated decisions with your money. You don't become rich without being intelligent enough to figure out how to do things that are useful enough in society to earn you money. Being rich is 90% due to intelligence, as much as your narrative would like that to not be true.
2:16 triggered feminist in lower right corner looking at her laughing friend "Really, Stacy?"
I don't think that's the case.... Regardless, she's very beautiful
So, how do I use money productively??
It's a misplaced argument that people who run Silicon Valley are predominantly there because they were born intelligent. You can be intelligent and homeless, and less intelligent (relatively), and very successful, I would say it's a mix of family environment (how good was your start and how much positive feedback you got), strong and continuous personal effort in specialising oneself in promising and productive area, social skills and connections and at the end luck.
“Everyone’s the same”
“Yeah... they’re not. “
400 mil?
I could literally spend it in 6 hours.
Neuroplasticity refutes his claims of intellectual "genetic lottery." If you think you're dumb, keep learning. Competency should indeed be the main factor of the distribution of power. It's a trait that anyone can strive for if they are willing to labour at it consistently.
I hope it is true
JP makes that distinction in another talk about fluid IQ vs. IQ (you’re born with)
I'm a real JP fan, and I do agree with him that the main value of an Ivy League education is in the screening to get in, but he's simplifying (perhaps for the sake of saving time) the issue of how the college you attend affects what education you'll get. Of course if you vigorously pursue knowledge then any facility of higher education will benefit you. But there are other factors at play than the fact that any school will contain more knowledge than you can adsorb. One is requirements - some schools will require rigorous courses, some not. Some schools will have super-smart students (a lot of students) and some will have mostly mediocrities who will not be the best influence on fellow students. Some schools have a party culture, and at other schools people who party all the time would be oddballs. Etc,........
You are talking about the performance of an individual. So in a average college an academic high performer can still come through the ranks.
But that does not take away from the fact that academic high performers are the main focus of the likes of Harvard or MIT.
Imagine you went around and picked the various best performers and then formed an organisation. Well you end up with NASA, Harvard, MIT, Oxford, Cambridge and google.
It is amazing how great education leads to the recognition of evident things. The way to get there is very difficult and reserved to the happy few.
Jordan: “What are you gonna do read the whole library? “
Me: I mean why not? Sounds kinda fun 🤷🏽♂️😂
We have created a modern world that we didn't evolve to live in. We evolved to hunt and gather and to raise children, now suddenly we have to deal with complex modern economies and technology. A lot of people get left behind.
Great observation! Let me ask you, and I'm asking you from left-wing point of view, how would you take care of those people in terms of libertarian theory, if the state isn't allowed to redistribute them money and investors can't be forced to invest in them?
And I would say that not only people are left behind, but also entire cities and countries, unable to adapt.
@@goranmilic442 Why would I answer in terms of libertarian theory?
@@anaccount8474 I apologize, what I meant to say is I don't understand how libertarians expect so many people to adapt so fast or at all. Your observation is brilliant, but I would add it's not just evolution, it's also culture, even age, that can prevent a person to adapt.
I've seen some comments talking about nature vs nurture and I would like to add that a person with 130+ IQ doesn't have to try nearly as hard to learn something as an average person, which is relevant since the acceleration of learning will be way higher. This combined with already being ahead will widen the gap even more over time, assuming their web of knowledge offer a higher ability to draw conclusions and parallells.
I'd change out the word "acceleration" to "speed" if it turns out that our learning isn't exponential during the productive parts of our lives (education not work).
Just some thoughts.
+welmhotz
I have an IQ of 153 and when I was in college I never needed to study. I just did the course work and came out with perfect grades. Not once did I ever let anybody know this was the case. If I was in the library the chances were I was reading a book that had nothing to do with my courses.
The vast majority of what I picked up was in the actual classes. I could constantly see errors in the lectures but I never deviated from them and gave them what they wanted.
I find it very difficult to actually describe topics in detail to people because their point of reference is different from mine. So my day involves lots of perspectives.
@@bighands69 Which was your major?
He failed to make clear the parallel between the fact that high IQ people aren't responsible for their IQ, but also low conscientious people aren't responsible for their low conscientiousness. Any training and environmental factors only move those scales to a very slight degree. I've been telling people that for years. Nobody is self-made, rich or poor.
He admits that the shrinking of the middle class is a problem, but says there are no solutions. J. P. Is brilliant, id go to him for phych and life advice, but not for economics.
Tierra -- please give your ideas then since you are so much smarter.
This is quite interesting and informative, but if you want to be financially free don't depend on one source of income, invest for the future of tomorrow, then see how ecstatic you will be in due time
damn. The things we can learn just by listening to him
Thats why my father said dont give beggers money. Give them food, water clothes. Things important for survival.
Yeah, but money also is a good give, because it lends them a little more choice, a little more dignity ... a bit more of that feeling of independence that they so sorely lack.
Tell you what, you give them food, I'll give them money. 🙂
@@gherieg.1091 And they'll buy the drugs...
My country Sweden spends 50 million SEK which about 5,704,500 dollars of taxpayer money to spend on gender studies. Thank you Socialism.
It’s not down to socialism. That’s down to the arseholes who have hijacked socialism.
The irony is that you're basically an all-white European country. What percentage of your populace is non-white? 10%?
DIVISIONINCISION what is the connection between gender studies and Racism. I think you are commenting in the wrong section.
Sweden is not a socialist country - it is predominantly capitalist with generous redistribution/government entitlement programmes. For example, there is no minimum wage, the government provides complete school-choice (i.e. they pay for privately owned school's) and they rank highly on the Economic Freedom Index. I'm anti-socialism before anyone asks, just thought I'd state that none of the Nordic countries are actually socialist.
I am considered gifted with a high IQ. I used it to make as much money as possible while doing as little work as possible and I feel I have succeeded. I can sit at home most of the day, maybe work an hour or two and make over $200k a year. I have no desire for more money than this and no need for it.
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Genetic lottery, yes. But then we DO want genetically superior types to have more resources.
I won't regret hearing from Mr Jordan Peterson ever. But please try to have an intelligent person put those video titles? Not at all on point.
2:17 someones getting jealous.
And that's me
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So if l have more than 400 million dollars l should do something good with it, but if l have an addiction, it's best if I'm broke. That's not the lesson here. The lesson is : Learn to title your videos properly
The fact that I can listen Mr. Peterson for free is amazing. Knowing English opens up a lot. Only not native English speaking people will understand me.
*Non-native
Dark eyes like the Godfather.
Lol
That last thing he said was the most true thing I’ve heard in a long, long time.
When he says that “We don’t know how to efficiently move resources to the bottom of the cognitive hierarchy...” I don’t believe that is true at all. That happens naturally, because a free market will only provide a limited pay for a person that is only able to market commonplace labor skills. As a result, in a free market for labor, a woman with a common laborer husband will be able to afford fewer children than a woman with Bill Gates for a husband. But that’s in a free market. Because family structure in the developed world is heavily regulated, the men with the most marketable skills are only able to have one or two kids in late middle age, and if they try to have them younger, our regulations will punish them and exclude them from future opportunities and take away their wealth and their children’s wealth. But a woman with no job can have multiple children with multiple men with very little education, and create a large population at the bottom of the cognitive hierarchy. The way to efficiently cycle resources to the bottom would be to allow the women of the lower class to make free market choices. Instead of bankrolling their lifestyle with these lower class men, we should cut them off and allow them to make logical choices for themselves. That way they have an incentive to have children with men with cognitive ability. If you examine the period in history in which that really happened, that is, the period in which the lower class became a wealthier middle class, you definitely find that in fact, women were making exactly those kind of choices, and that that increase in prosperity came to an end when the government created incentives for women (but not for men) to have children outside of marriage.
"People go to Harvard and get educated... but they get JUST AS educated if they went somewhere else"
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They "can"
Jordan “and the data on this is quite clear” Peterson
Jordan Peterson is got damm amazing
This is surprising because according to JP, higher inequality the more unstable things become, yet he is generally opposed to enforcing equality... Disregard equality of outcome of course.
That effectively is the balance.
But it matters a lot less in a wealthy society with lots of opportunity as those that experience it at the bottom can be elevated far beyond their economic ability.
A factory worker in 1950s America with a below average IQ could have afforded a house, car and a good family life.
Somewhere in the distant past, I heard of an emperical situation that goes something like this,
In the UK roughly 10% of the population own 90% of the wealth. If however, this wealth was divided equally between every man,woman and child in the UK, then after 10 years or so, 10% of the population would once again own 90% of the wealth!!!
So much for "If you work hard enough you can be anything you want to be" I think we all know that's a giant steaming pant load. Why not separate the students early on, put the smart one that want to learn all together, put the maniacally inclined people in trade schools, put all the useless bullies in a school where the only people they can destroy are other bullies.
That’s kind of the metrics in Europe. If you’re not “smart” enough for university, it’s decided by the time you’re in (their version of) high school. Imagine being 13/14 and being assessed that your life is decided for you. You’ll never be able to go to university (because “free university” is only for those who are incredibly smart and have the aptitude for it by the time they’re 13) and you’re stuck in a field that isn’t a passion. Categorical imperatives look great on paper, but that’s not a great way to measure aptitude and success.
I was horrible at tests. Still am. If you give me time to do it, I’ll do fine. B average. But time it? C at best. But give me papers to write? Projects to do? I can do those all day. Standardized metrics aren’t great - in my opinion.
Fortunately i worked my ass off, had a 4.2 GPA in school (despite my poor abilities in natural test taking) and I went to university and have a good career now. If I was segmented into auto shop? Or wood shop? Or welding? Etc? I would probably be very depressed. I think there’s a difference between achieving and ending up having to take a blue collar job - as opposed to being forced into a blue collar trade school and never being able to transcend that because of credentials.
Maybe there’s a happy medium somewhere.
@@Bacontats man, I too can do project all day... that's what I'm good at I guess
"How do use money productively" don't be a cocain addict. Nice title.
Exactly...sell to the cocaine addicts
Firstly, I think Jordan Peterson is excluding the fact that there are different intelligences. Many people can be good at sports or can be good socially and these skills can be used to make money and a rewarding life.
As an aside: From personal experiences i do believe intelligence can be increased with practice and can also decrease with a lack of practice. However these differences are not major.
💯 Ashling! Thanks for watching & commenting :)
No, I don't think that's the case. The science is pretty clear there is only one factor of intelligence. Yes, some people are gifted at math, and some at linguistics, but someone gifted in math is so close to someone gifted in linguistics that they might as well be the same thing. It's not like your temperament which can be broken down into multiple facets which are all very different from each other.
Being good at sports probably has a biological basis, but I don't think it's rooted in intelligence. It might be tied to it, or projected through it, but it's not what we would label traditionally as intelligence on it's own.
"ahahahaha three minutes of silence and then when jordan says basically "silicon valley dudes should check their privilege" the host INSTANTLY IS IN THERE WITH AN "MMHMMMMM"
One of the ways we move resources to the bottom end of the competence hierarchy is by not giving away our manufacturing and other blue collar jobs to foreign countries.
Another way could be to allow only overflow of subsidy into the hands of non-citizens.
There is no quick pathway from smart to wise.
Jordan B.Peterson
Misleading title. Let him know with the dislikes :)
Fun drinking game; drink every time J.P. says "ok - let me give you an example".
Oops alcohol poisoning!
Americans need to communicate and cooperate more, make sacrifices that will benifit the greater good, that is my take on it, probably a left leaning take, but still a take.
In my heart of hearts. I believe Jordan Peterson was sent to, and for, the peoples of the world.
He is urgently important to listen to and learn all that you can.
He's remarkable and you WILL be the better for your time spent listening to the truth, not his truth, THE TRUTH, which he is able to voice in such an eloquent manner.
Thank you, JP.
Aesir -
3:57
Ted Turner - “If you tried as hard as you could in your entire life there was no way you could spend more that $400,000,000.”
Me - Hold my beer.
whisperingwind2 i think the point is you can not spend it and have none. Sure you could go buy a bunch of liabilities and depreciate your money but technically you would still have some money in the item.
Colton Carlisle Lol yeah, I did get the point, I just thought that I would love to try. I think I could find a way, but first someone has to dump a truckload of money on me
I think you are right about that. It seems to me that what people need is really meaning, something to bring their endeavors purpose. Instead of focusing on the means to an end as a solution for our systemic problems, we should rather focus on providing ends to be achieved as solutions for our issues. I'd really like to have more time to contemplate what all the possible ends are in life. If we get some answers to that question, and we rank them in priority, relative to individuals and their positions in the hyerarchy of our society, we can market these results accordingly. The aim would be to provide purpose to every strata of society and give people a good reason to motivate them to productive action. This is the deep philosophical question, what are all the ends in an of themselves in life? Then we can focus on the means to those ends. Making a rule that those ends, no matter how important, will not justify the means. I think that would be a big step in solving our issues.
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Thanks, it would be pretty amazing to discuss, and figure out some potential answers to these questions, for its sake.
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Dr Peterson be dropping truth bombs left and right...
First of all: Jordan Peterson is my favorite mentor. So my writing this comment is because I take all he says very serious.
At 2.36 he is making a strange conclusion: he says that he does not understand why silicon valley with so many intelligent minds is so left leaning. Then he starts explaining to them that they are privileged by the prize from a genetic lottery and that it is not their own doing. Is that not the essential reason to be left leaning? People on the right think everybody is responsible for their own lot in life. People on the left think we need to have more solidarity because poor people are not to be blamed for being poor.
So so summarize: he is blaming them for being left leaning and then uses the exact reason for people to be left leaning.
Another funny paradox: he acknowledges that he enjoys being with the most intelligent people on earth. And then he rejects their being left leaning. Should he not be interested in why the most intelligent people on earth chose to be left leaning?
I love how people always conflate his talks and points as some "conservative is better, liberal is bad" mantra.
If you listen to the points hes making, all he's doing is reiterating a lot of the ideas liberals express.
However, his main point is "we don't know" and liberals' main point is "This will work and fix it".