Yes … because if they changed it much more it would become a Propel or a Defy. Like many manufacturers these different ‘models’ are very similar for all but the most elite riders … having them is really a branding/marketing technique to stimulate more sales.
I'm still riding my 2015 TCR Rim brake with mechanical ultegra & carbon 50 rims, I don't need to save 4 watts or put a 33mm tyre on, truth is, I don't want disc brakes or integrated cables either, the new bike does look nice but the prices are absurd, £2,699 for an entry level 105 TCR?! crazy! best of luck for those that can afford it, just don't fall for the marketing blurb.
I am waiting when “disk brake” development will be over and marketing department will turn its attention back to rim brakes to help them selling more bikes.
It’s impressively light because it’s £6500, manufacturers have completely lost touch with reality. Cycle to work schemes etc have without intention given manufacturers the licence to abuse pricing. An entry level TCR at £2500 is a reflection of the absurd pricing of bikes.
@@vg3222 Yeah I get that, what I mean though is they have given manufacturers the licence to raise entry level bikes to higher price point (certainly in the UK).
I have a (now) last-gen TCR. I love the thing. My vote is that they've haven't done enough to make me even think about upgrading, and I feel like the price went up at a time everyone's talking about bike prices falling. Glad I got the last-gen for that cheaper price.
@@bennyayaya It's actually pretty OK for many riders, even I'm content with how it rides, minus the front rotor rub every time I pedal out of the saddle hard, but switching to a stiffer rotor does the trick for some reason. I still haven't fully figured out why a bone stock TCR Advanced Disc can induce front rotor rub when pedaled hard despite a well-centered caliper, but not when a stiffer rotor is used. I don't think a hub shell can flex, but I do know forks definitely do.
I have a TCR adv 0 pro from 2021 and I must say it is a wonderful bike! But I think Giant is missing the point because this is the same bike, only they have concealed the cables and put a more expensive wheelset underneath. If it's good why would you change it? By the way, I would have preferred it without disc brakes.
I have a 2021 Rim Brake SL framest, it's inconspicuous, lighter and more "aero" that most stuff out on the roads I ride. I don't see my self changing that bicycle anytime soon. But I do see my self getting the Propel SL, just to have the pair.
Loved the TCR but would liked to have seen Giant make the TCR as light as possible to differentiate from the Propel. If that meant a rim brake version + aero feature + integration that is below the UCI limit would have been game changer for me. Currently I don't have reason yet to upgrade my lightweight climber Trek Madone, 1x, rim brake, 5.7kg bike.
Came back to this vid to check the appearance, again, before my ‘happy day’. I had been a Gen 9 Advanced Pro 1 Disc rider now am waiting to have the Gen X Advanced Pro 0 Mercury delivered next week or so. From my test ride impressions/comparison, the incoming upgrade effects may not be negligible (still the cost is already a life-threatening, though). The Gen X is clearly smoother and more accerelating. The appearance gets to perfection from somewhat ambiguous last model. Anyway, I’m more than thrilled to sit on the new bike’s saddle (btw, the saddle and stem will be ‘carbonised’ so mine’s will be like 6.9kgs!). It shall be my long pal if not lifelong.
Reselling my 2022 tcr and adding 3k for larger rims and integrated cables doesn't seem worth it right now.. if it was cheaper i would get every new version
Like TCR because the Propel is not as comfy and not everyone wants stretched position on his bike. A propel with a lot of spacers doesn't look good. The TCR is a good compromise and do-it-all bike imho. The Defy is also interesting because a lot of people could use it with a slammed stem and that looks nice. The TCR is more race bike so that will tip the scale to the TCR imho. Giant should offer the lightest TCR with a normal seatpost. That would be great!
This is about the nicest way i've ever heard to say: "This is clearly the same bike but with integrated cables and this is the best we could say about it because the Propel exists, which is probably what you should buy, or a Defy". And i'm a 2021 TCR Owner, so i'm not exactly a TCR hater. But i mean really guys, 32 to 33 tire clearance? A tire size that nobody makes?
@@BoyMeetsMountain 33mm is the UCI tire width limit. TCR is still a performance race road bike. If you need a wider tire clearance. You should get a Gravel bike.
Call me crazy, but I want to know if they kept it mechanical shifting optional like the current Propel Advanced Pro. Most new frames are electronic only, I was happy to hear that Giant is helping out us mechanical diehards for one more generation of frame with the Propel.
Internal cable routing is an evil for mech shifting. Cables will be bend to tough angles and compromise shifting, so better is to go mech with previous version of tcr or join the dark e-side
@@stanislavkindiakov6334Not all framesets with integrated internal routing affect mechanical groupset shifting performance, one model I know of is the Tarmac SL7. Because the shift housing runs from the headset cover directly to the cockpit without going inside the spacers and under the stem, it has no excessively sharp turns to bend around. I know because I've built one Tarmac SL7 in this manner, one of the first Tarmac SL7s of its kind in the country I live in.
@mrrodriguezHLP Most people who would call you crazy are those who never knew the pain of working on integrated internal routing or any internal routing work at all. Your curiosity is anything but crazy. It is indeed something to think about. Most framesets with integrated internal routing that can use mechanical can only run the following four Shimano front derailleur models as they require the use of full-length shift housings and only these four are up to the task as they feature integrated shift housing stops: 105 FD-R7000 and FD-R7100 Ultegra FD-R8000 Dura-Ace FD-R9100
@@sbccbc7471For the record, I ride a 2016 Giant Propel Advanced, on Campagnolo mechanical Record 12. It's semi-internal, so I know some of the pain of routing. But the system they had was smart, as they built in stops on the top tube where you enter behind the steerer, not into the steerer. Knowing there might not be stops, is going to hurt for the front derailleur if I want to keep things Campy. It needs an in-line barrel adjuster or it will miss shift. Thanks for the thoughts BTW. Cheers.
Had a brand new 2021 TCR Advance Pro Disc 1. It had a lovely ride, stiff yet comfortable and compliant. However, on 2 separate occasions on a fast descent it developed a severe speed wobble. My funeral plans were flashing in my mind until I gained control and was able to stop. I've owned several high end carbon road bikes and NEVER before had an issue like this. So, even though I took a loss I had to get rid of it. Was very disappointed because I liked everything else about the bike. Because of my experience I would be extremely hesitant to purchase another TCR...such a bummer because there's so much bang for the buck otherwise. I even came across some RUclips tests where 2 riders on one video both experienced wobble on the exact same model.
I experienced exactly the same thing. My 2022 TCR Frame Size Large starts wobbling at 60 km/h. Wondered if that was the reason the Pro Team switched to Propel. Won`t buy a further TCR unless they recall this Death Wobble Frame.
If have chance to visit Taiwan , you can buy one here , it’s much cheaper . Same model ( Pro 0 Di2 ) in Taiwan cost 1400 USD . (2025 TCR Advanced SL 0 DA $ 2730 USD 1 USD :32.5NTW ) . There’s always have discount when you purchase in local Taiwanese biking shop )
The integrated cabling would be the only reason that I would possiblely upgrade to gen 10 TCR. I don't think I can tell the difference from gen-9 and gen-10 TCR in terms of the performnace or the look. As for the integrated seatpost, that doesn't really matter since I couldn't afford the TCR SL at the moment anyway.
If it came as a direct mount rim brake, my wallet would be open before you finished the sentence. Guess I am looking at the Propel or Defy instead.....or a Tarmac SL8 (or SL9...)
It's just the latest shit right now, and it will backfire in a few years when headsets need to be serviced and repair costs will skyrocket, because you have to completely disassemble your brakes in order to reach the bearings.
Nice ad. Sounds like a lot of specialized speak. Blah blah blah. The aero claims are hilarious. It’s a nice looking bike and it should ride nice. That’s the main thing.
I ride mostly in the hills and have been thinking about replacing my 9 year old Defy with a climbing machine. Weight, handling (both uphill and downhill), and looks matter a lot to me, and aero not at all. These small upgrades make the new TCR a more tempting candidate than the older model.
@dv8322 the rims have no hooks to hold the tire. So there are instances that the tire will come off. Instances if the tire have psi more than 70 psi iguess. And you need tires that are compatible with hookless.
@dv8322 i have 2 ride mates. One didnt experience any problem amd the other one experienced a blowout. So it all depends.. funny thing the mate who didnt have problem has tcr. And the mate who have problem had propel😂😂😂
Aero doesn’t save the most amount of energy, it saves the most energy. You don’t cut down on the amount of pieces, you cut down the number of pieces. Isn’t English your first language?
@@TheBarts27 ... strange and dumb* indeed. The whole bike industry ditched integrated seatposts about 15 years ago, but for whatever reason Giants just sticks with it.
I don’t think it’s trying to. The Aethos is a UCI illegal bike meant for pure lightness. The TCR is still a race bike that is meant to be raced and follows the UCI regulations, so it can’t be as light as the Aethos.
@@ariffau Fair point, but the bikeexchange-jayco/jayco-alula team which races in major UCI events still uses the TCR. Why they do, when they also have a bike that is just as light and more aero is a question that you’ll have to ask them yourself, but Giant wants the TCR to remain UCI legal.
@@gtThreethe Aethos has a UCI number, the frame IS UCI LEGAL. The only limit is the minimum 6.8kg weight limit (mechanics just add weight, nothing new there).
Has Giant done enough with this update of the TCR? Let us know your thoughts on the new bike.
Yes … because if they changed it much more it would become a Propel or a Defy. Like many manufacturers these different ‘models’ are very similar for all but the most elite riders … having them is really a branding/marketing technique to stimulate more sales.
What more can they really do?
Are the wheels 🛞 hooked?
@@royanderson3478 Giant's disc brake carbon wheels are hookless.
I'm still riding my 2015 TCR Rim brake with mechanical ultegra & carbon 50 rims, I don't need to save 4 watts or put a 33mm tyre on, truth is, I don't want disc brakes or integrated cables either, the new bike does look nice but the prices are absurd, £2,699 for an entry level 105 TCR?! crazy! best of luck for those that can afford it, just don't fall for the marketing blurb.
I am waiting when “disk brake” development will be over and marketing department will turn its attention back to rim brakes to help them selling more bikes.
I have giant tcr advanced 2021 rim brake can I get a 30mm on the bike I presently have 28mm
Probably
Purchased the nine gen rim brake TCR advanced 3 in Jan. Don’t regret at all. The upgrade is less than expected
Edit: The image at 07:00 shows the Giant TCR Advanced Pro 2, rather than the TCR Advanced 2. Sorry about that!
Giant should not touch the TCR from now.
Leave it as it is.
Thanks
Give Jesse Coyle a new TCR, that's a review I want to see!
give a fuck what he thinks, he doesn't even like riding a bike, his words durian rider interview
@@zaphod_beebleroxSaid it better than I could’ve
It’s impressively light because it’s £6500, manufacturers have completely lost touch with reality. Cycle to work schemes etc have without intention given manufacturers the licence to abuse pricing. An entry level TCR at £2500 is a reflection of the absurd pricing of bikes.
You realise the Cycle Schemes are not the biggest bike market in th
@@vg3222 Yeah I get that, what I mean though is they have given manufacturers the licence to raise entry level bikes to higher price point (certainly in the UK).
Lighter, more aero, stiffer....woooooooooaahhh
I have a (now) last-gen TCR. I love the thing. My vote is that they've haven't done enough to make me even think about upgrading, and I feel like the price went up at a time everyone's talking about bike prices falling. Glad I got the last-gen for that cheaper price.
What's your TCR Advanced's brake type and tier level (base, Pro or SL)?
@@sbccbc7471 105 hydraulics. It would be the base model. Maybe I like it so much because I don't know any better? :P
@@bennyayaya It's actually pretty OK for many riders, even I'm content with how it rides, minus the front rotor rub every time I pedal out of the saddle hard, but switching to a stiffer rotor does the trick for some reason. I still haven't fully figured out why a bone stock TCR Advanced Disc can induce front rotor rub when pedaled hard despite a well-centered caliper, but not when a stiffer rotor is used. I don't think a hub shell can flex, but I do know forks definitely do.
Back to rim brakes then
Best bike in the world just got better. Well done Giant
Have you weighed the model you have?
I have a TCR adv 0 pro from 2021 and I must say it is a wonderful bike! But I think Giant is missing the point because this is the same bike, only they have concealed the cables and put a more expensive wheelset underneath. If it's good why would you change it? By the way, I would have preferred it without disc brakes.
Giant keeps what‘s working and what‘s looking as a bike. Really love an update, but will stay with my current TCR on mech Ultegra😊
I won't ever get a different carbon bike than TCR - TCR love for life.
If it came with Rim Brakes, I would have become marginally stiffer😀
Absolutely love it, best bike out there, ticks all the boxes. Well done Giant.
Nice but due to the crazy pricing, I won't be updating from my 2021 tcr
I have a 2021 Rim Brake SL framest, it's inconspicuous, lighter and more "aero" that most stuff out on the roads I ride. I don't see my self changing that bicycle anytime soon. But I do see my self getting the Propel SL, just to have the pair.
Call the Nero boys up
So nice to see Giant making evolutionary changes on the TCR given it's such a capable frame to begin with.
Loved the TCR but would liked to have seen Giant make the TCR as light as possible to differentiate from the Propel. If that meant a rim brake version + aero feature + integration that is below the UCI limit would have been game changer for me. Currently I don't have reason yet to upgrade my lightweight climber Trek Madone, 1x, rim brake, 5.7kg bike.
Came back to this vid to check the appearance, again, before my ‘happy day’.
I had been a Gen 9 Advanced Pro 1 Disc rider now am waiting to have the Gen X Advanced Pro 0 Mercury delivered next week or so. From my test ride impressions/comparison, the incoming upgrade effects may not be negligible (still the cost is already a life-threatening, though). The Gen X is clearly smoother and more accerelating. The appearance gets to perfection from somewhat ambiguous last model.
Anyway, I’m more than thrilled to sit on the new bike’s saddle (btw, the saddle and stem will be ‘carbonised’ so mine’s will be like 6.9kgs!). It shall be my long pal if not lifelong.
Can y'all get one to Jesse Coyle?
cares what he thinks he doesn't even like riding a bike
I like the traditional frame looks.
I think it looks awesome, familiar shape but just clean and minimalistic, nice!
Reselling my 2022 tcr and adding 3k for larger rims and integrated cables doesn't seem worth it right now.. if it was cheaper i would get every new version
Can you retrofit new fork to 2021-2024 models?
Giant TCR will always be my dream bike.
Giant TCR is always my top dream bike!!!
Like TCR because the Propel is not as comfy and not everyone wants stretched position on his bike. A propel with a lot of spacers doesn't look good. The TCR is a good compromise and do-it-all bike imho. The Defy is also interesting because a lot of people could use it with a slammed stem and that looks nice. The TCR is more race bike so that will tip the scale to the TCR imho. Giant should offer the lightest TCR with a normal seatpost. That would be great!
1mm wider tire clearance? How difference is that compare to previous???
Exactly 1mm ;)
This is about the nicest way i've ever heard to say: "This is clearly the same bike but with integrated cables and this is the best we could say about it because the Propel exists, which is probably what you should buy, or a Defy". And i'm a 2021 TCR Owner, so i'm not exactly a TCR hater.
But i mean really guys, 32 to 33 tire clearance? A tire size that nobody makes?
Literally everyone makes a high performance 32mm tire
@@petersouthernboy6327 and the existing tcr already had 32 tire clearance. Tell me why 33 is a win?
@@BoyMeetsMountain 33mm is the UCI tire width limit. TCR is still a performance race road bike. If you need a wider tire clearance. You should get a Gravel bike.
@@iMadrid11 very well stated 👍
Tyres don’t measure the same on different rims so if your 32mm tyres were coming up too wide for your 2023 TCR they may fit your 2024 TCR.
Call me crazy, but I want to know if they kept it mechanical shifting optional like the current Propel Advanced Pro. Most new frames are electronic only, I was happy to hear that Giant is helping out us mechanical diehards for one more generation of frame with the Propel.
There is a base model with mechanical 12-spd 105
Internal cable routing is an evil for mech shifting. Cables will be bend to tough angles and compromise shifting, so better is to go mech with previous version of tcr or join the dark e-side
@@stanislavkindiakov6334Not all framesets with integrated internal routing affect mechanical groupset shifting performance, one model I know of is the Tarmac SL7. Because the shift housing runs from the headset cover directly to the cockpit without going inside the spacers and under the stem, it has no excessively sharp turns to bend around.
I know because I've built one Tarmac SL7 in this manner, one of the first Tarmac SL7s of its kind in the country I live in.
@mrrodriguezHLP Most people who would call you crazy are those who never knew the pain of working on integrated internal routing or any internal routing work at all.
Your curiosity is anything but crazy. It is indeed something to think about. Most framesets with integrated internal routing that can use mechanical can only run the following four Shimano front derailleur models as they require the use of full-length shift housings and only these four are up to the task as they feature integrated shift housing stops:
105 FD-R7000 and FD-R7100
Ultegra FD-R8000
Dura-Ace FD-R9100
@@sbccbc7471For the record, I ride a 2016 Giant Propel Advanced, on Campagnolo mechanical Record 12. It's semi-internal, so I know some of the pain of routing. But the system they had was smart, as they built in stops on the top tube where you enter behind the steerer, not into the steerer.
Knowing there might not be stops, is going to hurt for the front derailleur if I want to keep things Campy. It needs an in-line barrel adjuster or it will miss shift. Thanks for the thoughts BTW. Cheers.
so they got production and material costs down but...
Had a brand new 2021 TCR Advance Pro Disc 1. It had a lovely ride, stiff yet comfortable and compliant. However, on 2 separate occasions on a fast descent it developed a severe speed wobble. My funeral plans were flashing in my mind until I gained control and was able to stop. I've owned several high end carbon road bikes and NEVER before had an issue like this. So, even though I took a loss I had to get rid of it. Was very disappointed because I liked everything else about the bike. Because of my experience I would be extremely hesitant to purchase another TCR...such a bummer because there's so much bang for the buck otherwise. I even came across some RUclips tests where 2 riders on one video both experienced wobble on the exact same model.
I experienced exactly the same thing. My 2022 TCR Frame Size Large starts wobbling at 60 km/h. Wondered if that was the reason the Pro Team switched to Propel.
Won`t buy a further TCR unless they recall this Death Wobble Frame.
Still got hookless rims? I’ll give it a miss.
If have chance to visit Taiwan , you can buy one here , it’s much cheaper . Same model ( Pro 0 Di2 ) in Taiwan cost 1400 USD . (2025 TCR Advanced SL 0 DA $ 2730 USD 1 USD :32.5NTW ) . There’s always have discount when you purchase in local
Taiwanese biking shop )
Any local shops to recommend?
My dream machine I wish to get one but is so expensive .....
thats the best looking tcr frameset they have ever made
Hi just wondering if this is the new 2024 TCR advanced 0 PC??
no rim brake option
integrated cables don't match with rim brakes... to hard to get it right
and basically no market for it now
Tcr advance pro 2 vs orbea orca M35 which is better???
The integrated cabling would be the only reason that I would possiblely upgrade to gen 10 TCR. I don't think I can tell the difference from gen-9 and gen-10 TCR in terms of the performnace or the look. As for the integrated seatpost, that doesn't really matter since I couldn't afford the TCR SL at the moment anyway.
Integrated cables would be the reason I wouldn’t buy the Gen 10.
Looks similar with old gen. I prefer to propel
if i had the previous TCR, no not enough. But I'm riding a 10 year old TCR SL0.....so maybe.
Roads and hill climbs are very nice in Taiwan! Can't wait to go back ride there!
If it came as a direct mount rim brake, my wallet would be open before you finished the sentence. Guess I am looking at the Propel or Defy instead.....or a Tarmac SL8 (or SL9...)
Now do the same to the tcx please
Why? Why would you hide the cables and add so much more complication to headset maintenance. With technology, It's supposed to get easier...
It's just the latest shit right now, and it will backfire in a few years when headsets need to be serviced and repair costs will skyrocket, because you have to completely disassemble your brakes in order to reach the bearings.
Disappointed by the cable integration as the reviewer
THE SLR wheels have CARBON spokes? not too bad
Looks the same as previous models.
The Giant US website has the new TCR Advanced Pro Frameset for $2100. If that’s too expensive for someone - then do better for yourself.
THE WHEELS ARE HOOKLESS HELLO?! amazing how fast schill companies forget, not even a month since our last big profile case.
Nice ad. Sounds like a lot of specialized speak. Blah blah blah. The aero claims are hilarious. It’s a nice looking bike and it should ride nice. That’s the main thing.
Hookless is very progressive, ask Thomas de Gendt
Nothing wrong with hookless! You just need good mechanics. And don't think, throw in 90 psi because then you'll be asking for it yourself
Happy with my choice of the Supersix Evo over the TCR!
No mention of hookless rims???
Not everyone is racing or a pro. So TCR will be ok.
Waiting for new emonda !
Rumour is Trek are killing it off.
I ride mostly in the hills and have been thinking about replacing my 9 year old Defy with a climbing machine. Weight, handling (both uphill and downhill), and looks matter a lot to me, and aero not at all. These small upgrades make the new TCR a more tempting candidate than the older model.
Stopped at HOOKLESS!
38.5g lighter- that`s an argument.
4 watts at 40kph.....where's my credit card lol
Guess you guys are not going to mention hookless rims huh
Stinks doesnt it....
06:16 👍
@@bikeradar my bad. Missed it✌️
@dv8322 the rims have no hooks to hold the tire. So there are instances that the tire will come off. Instances if the tire have psi more than 70 psi iguess. And you need tires that are compatible with hookless.
@dv8322 i have 2 ride mates. One didnt experience any problem amd the other one experienced a blowout. So it all depends.. funny thing the mate who didnt have problem has tcr. And the mate who have problem had propel😂😂😂
Yup awesome bike
It’s the integrated cables for me.
Trek Emonda is getting the chop soon anyway.
Aero doesn’t save the most amount of energy, it saves the most energy. You don’t cut down on the amount of pieces, you cut down the number of pieces. Isn’t English your first language?
it's a cyclocross bike now, with the 33mm tire clearance and all /s
Surely this is the 2025 TCR??? 🤔
an integrated seatpost in a climbing bike. So I can't put it in a flight case to go on holidays and climb some mountains. That's hilarious.
They'll sell every one without you.
yes.. it is strange and dumm. They should bring out the SL version with a normal seatpost. That would be a great bike.
@@TheBarts27 they do the same thing with the Propel SL. If you want the adjustable seat post, you get the Advanced Pro model.
Take off the chainset
@@TheBarts27 ... strange and dumb* indeed. The whole bike industry ditched integrated seatposts about 15 years ago, but for whatever reason Giants just sticks with it.
Integrated headset yuck 🤮 no thanks
Literally the Same Bike.
Wow
Perez Scott Williams Mark Thomas Susan
Hookless SLR rim, no thanks!
drink everytime he says "Giant says"
Indeed the reporting verbs were strong with this one...
Well I ain't going to just repeat their claims in a way that makes them seem like fact
How much dent on my wallet
Press fit is outdated and not the way the industry is going, would’ve liked to see a threaded bb
Marketing vomit. 🤮 what a schill.
This is still no Aethos Killer. PASSSSS!
I don’t think it’s trying to. The Aethos is a UCI illegal bike meant for pure lightness. The TCR is still a race bike that is meant to be raced and follows the UCI regulations, so it can’t be as light as the Aethos.
@@gtThree ok, but the Propel tips the scale at 6.9kg and is more aero. In what situation would a racer pick an UCI-legal weight TCR?
@@ariffauthe Propel is boring the TCR isn’t. That’s why
@@ariffau Fair point, but the bikeexchange-jayco/jayco-alula team which races in major UCI events still uses the TCR. Why they do, when they also have a bike that is just as light and more aero is a question that you’ll have to ask them yourself, but Giant wants the TCR to remain UCI legal.
@@gtThreethe Aethos has a UCI number, the frame IS UCI LEGAL. The only limit is the minimum 6.8kg weight limit (mechanics just add weight, nothing new there).
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