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  • @sarayu9203
    @sarayu9203 Год назад +3

    我系2016年行stream b嘅苦主,膽粗粗揸住OWP過咗嚟加拿大,黎咗3個月先搵到份兼職。雖然我係去咗亞省,但喺迷惘中睇到呢段咁有用、咁資訊性、咁相關嘅片,真系感受到貴 組織用心幫忙,滿滿嘅support❤❤❤我會一直支持你哋 ,做忠實嘅支持者。希望亞省都有第一間呢類型嘅機構。

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +1

      Thank you so much for your support

  • @Joey-ys1xm
    @Joey-ys1xm Год назад +13

    辛苦晒,多謝你地為港人奔波

  • @eggsandwiches3524
    @eggsandwiches3524 Год назад +10

    真係辛苦哂Anna姐同家和團隊🥹🥹🥹
    謝謝你哋🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

  • @69LP69
    @69LP69 Год назад +7

    多謝晒家和嘅努力

  • @foureyenewboy8964
    @foureyenewboy8964 Год назад +4

    家和團隊,辛苦你們,感謝為港人發聲出力。

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      Check the IRCC designated learning institute list. Google "IRCC DLI"

  • @alan23si
    @alan23si Год назад +2

    多謝家和🙇🏼‍♂️、多謝Anna Wong🙇🏼‍♂️

  • @eddychiu8855
    @eddychiu8855 Год назад +2

    坊間超多Agent 超多講法。 感謝出哩段片以正視聽

  • @ivychan2368
    @ivychan2368 Год назад +3

    多謝冢和;多謝Dr. Wong

  • @wilsonli2979
    @wilsonli2979 Год назад +4

    多謝Anna, 加油!

  • @stonks2385
    @stonks2385 Год назад +3

    Thanks so much for the explanation. I think there is another point about Stream A worth mentioning. For recent graduates at universities in Hong Kong (graduated within 5 years), I think they can apply for a 1-yr post-grad program for Stream A.

  • @wongmanyi7758
    @wongmanyi7758 Год назад +1

    thx. 希望你哋繼續幫到有需要的人。

  • @ericyu3827
    @ericyu3827 Год назад +2

    多謝你,Dr. Wong.

  • @HKerWoodland
    @HKerWoodland Год назад +2

    Thanks Anna 姐,多謝你

  • @nrclever8167
    @nrclever8167 Год назад +5

    支持

  • @taimanchan2917
    @taimanchan2917 Год назад +2

    多謝家和

  • @Sijai
    @Sijai Год назад +3

    如果工程既話﹐睇返自己省既學會(e.g. EGBC/ PEO) 要求/資料比較好﹐Engineer Canada 基本上係廢。

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      Thanks for your input. Your are right that provinces may differ. It parts to top compliant with upper local requirements as well.

  • @normansung9795
    @normansung9795 Год назад +1

    Thank you very much 👍

  • @kinglam9475
    @kinglam9475 Год назад +1

    Thank you Anna

  • @edwardchau1806
    @edwardchau1806 Год назад +3

    Dr. Wong你好 想問下1617畢業既同學係咪真係可以讀兩年海外master去續命行stream B?因為見requirement有寫”You must have completed this prerequisite diploma or degree in the 5 years before you started your graduate or post-graduate program.” 求指教🙏🏿感謝

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +7

      Masters is a degree. It can be right months, one year, two years, doesn't matter. It is a degree so it does not need to have a five-year prerequisite. It is stand alone. Just the masters degree itself is fine.

  • @hoyixtsang1
    @hoyixtsang1 Год назад +1

    Hi Dr Wong ,我ircc gckey 最近revoked 我就開左新GCkey 想relink application 但成日失敗 上網睇係答錯問題 但關於我既個人資料我都無答錯 請問我可以點樣解決呢個問題😭
    我好擔心 因為6月頭就飛 但宜家政府罷工 我一直link唔到application 我會唔會唔比入境😭

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      replied to your email

  • @emilyfung5210
    @emilyfung5210 Год назад +2

    如果攞咗owp,但stream B有難度,可以係境內申請讀書行stream A嗎? owp上面注明唔可以讀書

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +3

      You can hold both OWP and SP at the same time m but if you study full time in Canada, you work hours do not count for immigration or PR at all. To be eligible for stream A, you need to have a study permit.

  • @tatkowchow4330
    @tatkowchow4330 Год назад +1

    我是2017 苦主,想確認一下,是否online diploma 課程都可以申請PR ?有沒有香港全on line 課程介绍。謝謝!

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      Sorry, we are in Canada and are not familiar with program offerings in Hong Kong. Please do your own reserach.

  • @joeyau7539
    @joeyau7539 Год назад

    想請教, 申請OWP時, 填 imm1295e (Application for Work Permit Made Outside of Canada), 有一條問 "have you previously applied to enter or remain in Canada?", 如果只係去過加拿大用ETA入境旅行, 係答YES or NO? Thanks!!

  • @wonganissa6654
    @wonganissa6654 Год назад +2

    Hi, I am studying a part time top up bachelor degree at hku space and it only takes 14 months to complete as it excemp me a lot credits in view that I had a bachelor degree in a similar subject long time ago. DO you think this top up degree can be used to apply for stream B? MANY Many Thanks!!

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +4

      Yes it can. See you in Canada. 機會是留給有準備的人。加拿大是歡迎努力的人。希望快啲見到你。

  • @cmk6188
    @cmk6188 Год назад +1

    thanks a million Dr Wong, I really need OWP to PR to be allowed longer period. For your record please.

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      You cannot expect that to automatically happen. In the meantime, what you can do is one of these options I outlined to make yourself eligible.

  • @xavierchan1
    @xavierchan1 Год назад

    Hi Dr. Wong, first of all, thank you for all the hard work.
    I have an inquiry about applying for a Study Permit. According to one of the criteria the IRCC policy for applying for Stream A, says, as long as you have 50% of the program completed in Canada (either in person or Online) you’ll be eligible. My concern would be, could I study a two years’ diploma program with a Private Institution that has a DLI number; 1 year of study and 1-year Co-op, the first year will happen online from abroad (outside of Canada) and Co-op year will be within Canada, would that also be eligible to apply for Stream A after graduation?

  • @hungcs9992
    @hungcs9992 Год назад

    我懷疑由於我畢業於懷疑’黑名單’的學校, 所以申請被’卡著’, 與其無了期地等或不承認該學歷, 不如主動撤回(withdraw)今次申請, 再報讀及完成其它課程, 並於2025年2月前再次申請(reapply)開放式工簽, 此方法可行嗎?

  • @alanlee770
    @alanlee770 Год назад +1

    謝謝你! 請問如果用 十年內學歷 owp 過來, spouse 係咪都可以有 spouse 的 owp?係咪spouse 咁都可以計工作時數,咁 spouse 再讀個 1 年online master, 咁都符合 stream b 要求? Thks

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      Yes to all

  • @Freedom27728
    @Freedom27728 Год назад +1

    請問一下,假如就讀學校給予 fast track (transfer in credit)縮短了完成整個課程的時間(例如不用4 或6 個semesters 完成一個 兩年制diploma 或三年制advanced diploma),會否違反了A stream 的規定?

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      This video clearly converted the fact that it is ok. Please review again.

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      See also this video:
      ruclips.net/video/hI0uTK5WsoE/видео.html

    • @Freedom27728
      @Freedom27728 Год назад

      Thank you. I read the report by CFSO issued in January on challenges faced by applicants for study permit under S216(1)(b).
      I really appreciate the lobbying work to help extend the OWP validity plus to expand the coverage of earlier graduates.
      I wonder if i can be candid in in Letter of Explanation during my application for the study permit my intention to apply for PR under the HK pathway ?

  • @crazydotdog
    @crazydotdog Год назад +1

    多謝您哋嘅分享呀,另外想問吓如果本身2017大學畢業,如果宜家去讀書行Stream A,有無啲係一年嘅可以揀吓㗎?最遲要幾時入學呀?🥲🥲🥲

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +3

      You are past the deadline to add the 1yr post grad dip. If you want a 1yr program, you can look for a master's degree. As for start date, calculate enough time for the graduation to happen, send time for you to subunit the application before 2026.08.31.

    • @crazydotdog
      @crazydotdog Год назад +1

      @@CFSO 🥲您哋真係好好,唔該晒您呀

  • @michaelgr.6008
    @michaelgr.6008 Год назад +1

    Hi, thanks so much for the information!! I am Mike and I am currently considering to 續命 by studying for an UK top-up degree fully online (e.g., university of Essex or University of Liverpool), will that meet the graduation requirement for stream B?

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      Responded in email

  • @kelvinwong486
    @kelvinwong486 Год назад +2

    感激資訊 十分詳細!
    有一個問題想請教,我人現時在加拿大,但老婆仔女仲在香港,佢地駛唔駛在申請PR前到加拿大,定係可以稍後同先再過黎?🙏

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +3

      They need to be here before you apply for PR.

    • @fishbig6242
      @fishbig6242 Год назад +1

      超級快解答,真的感謝!

    • @kelvinwong486
      @kelvinwong486 Год назад +1

      @@CFSO 感謝你!

  • @joeyau7539
    @joeyau7539 Год назад

    想問教, 如果畢業證書係寫2013年7月, 係咪2023 年6月或之前都eligible OWP? 係數年份, 定準確計埋月份?

  • @faiancheung3648
    @faiancheung3648 Год назад +2

    想double confirm
    OWP 10年畢業限期計算係由申請OWP date back? 比如今日申請2023/2/15 姐係接受2013/2/15畢業都可以?
    驚聽錯 因為好多都講緊新deadline 2025/2/7 計前10年內

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +4

      When you apply for OWP, count back 10 years to check the date shown on your diploma to qualify.
      When you apply for PR, count back 5 years to check the date shown on your diploma to qualify.

    • @faiancheung3648
      @faiancheung3648 Год назад +1

      @@CFSO thx 唔知有冇理解錯
      假如2011年9/1 畢業,計10年姐係2021年8/31 仲係OWP新deadline前所以可接受?

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +3

      Submission date minus ten years for owp

    • @kwongt2046
      @kwongt2046 Год назад +2

      @@faiancheung3648 應該趕唔切喔,2025年2月deadline OWP申請,就係最遲2025減10年,2015年就係最後一屆,咁你2011年畢業就過左最少4年喇

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      @@faiancheung3648 if you had applied on our before 20210831, you would have been eligible for OWP. At this point, you should just her a new graduation to qualify yourself for both OWP and PR.

  • @hungcs9992
    @hungcs9992 Год назад

    Open work permit 的 'a graduate or post-graduate credential: from a program of at least 1 year; that required the completion of a post-secondary degree or diploma .....' 的 'at least 1 year' 可以是 1-year part-time 嗎 ?

  • @lokethel4370
    @lokethel4370 Год назад

    想問stream A 畢業後, 係咪要申請PGWP搵到一份full time NOC 0AB工作先可以幫配偶續佢個SOWP?

  • @vanessang4590
    @vanessang4590 Год назад +1

    多謝你哋既分享呀,想問吓我2018年Bachelor degree畢業,係咪可以係香港讀一年part-time top-up degree行stream b?🥹

  • @pinkysiu4403
    @pinkysiu4403 Год назад +1

    多謝分享。想請問如果9/2023入學, 讀14個月HKU Space top up degree,11/2024畢業, 但畢業證書要6 ~7/2025先出到,我可以係未有證書同成績表既情況下,2/2025申請OWP? 同咪使唔使做學歷認證先可申請OWP? 唔該晒🙏🏻

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +3

      You at least need to have transcripts showing that you have completed all course requirements, and ask the school to provide you with a letter of confirmation showing that degree will be conferred to you. Use all that documents to do your WES and apply for OWP.

    • @pinkysiu4403
      @pinkysiu4403 Год назад +1

      I feel much comfortable and safety to take this course now. Thanks so much!!!🙏🏻🙏🏻 😊

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +1

      @@pinkysiu4403 See you in Canada.

  • @cococrushonu
    @cococrushonu Год назад +1

    Dr妳好🙈🥲
    如果17年7月大學Bachelor畢業
    而家報香港一年制full time master degree(2023年9月開學)續命行stream b 合唔合資格?
    因為超過咗5年degree畢業要求?
    定係master degree 同 graduate program/ post-graduate program 係 2 樣唔同嘅嘢 which means 冇5 年 prerequisite 限制?

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +3

      Your current 2017 graduation also qualifies you for OWP. You can use your new graduation date to appy for PR when you have completd your 1560 work hours, based on 30 hours max per week to be calculated toward immigration.
      Your new graduation has to be before 202608031. You can work more hours to make more money, but only a max of 30 can be counted toward PR.

    • @crazydotdog
      @crazydotdog Год назад +1

      @@CFSO Sorry,有少少唔明白,咁係咪即係一定要過咗加拿大做嘢,再online讀香港master呀?定宜家喺香港讀一年master再過去加拿大做一年嘢都可以呀?唔好意思!🫣

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +3

      @@crazydotdog Both ways would normally work, but the deadline for Stream B is 2026.08.31. For your to start the masters now, wait for graduation and apply for OWP, then look for a job, and accumulate 1560 Canadian work hours based on max 30 hours a week to be counted for immigration, your timeline maybe too tight.

    • @crazydotdog
      @crazydotdog Год назад +1

      @@CFSO 多謝您答我呀,唔該晒您。咁所以我應該行Stream A,去加拿大讀個一年嘅master會好啲呀可?🥲

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +3

      @@crazydotdog if you already have an OWP, you can continue working in Canada and do an online masters outside of Canada, do both at the same time, so by the time you finish your work hours, you have a new graduation date too.

  • @crystalwilliam894
    @crystalwilliam894 Год назад +1

    請問 OWP 配偶是癌症康復者(已過5年無癌期) 會不會影響體檢的成數?(因為我見到身體檢查都係普通野)

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +1

      Should not affect

  • @user-ke7ky4ct5q
    @user-ke7ky4ct5q Год назад +1

    不好意思,家和!
    私立學院Create Career College 的 2年 college diploma - no code web devlopment & UI/UX Design 呢個課程能提供 給 學生1年online 係香港上堂,1年有薪實習係加拿大.
    想請問一下呢間院校課程能吾能夠申請PR?
    因為自己資金不足,但我見網民話佢不能申請PR, 所以想問清楚.
    謝謝

    • @user-ke7ky4ct5q
      @user-ke7ky4ct5q Год назад +1

      我行stream A, Create Career College 係 DLI List 內,但冇PGWP.
      因為有D網民話佢個1年實習不計入學分而且有機會吾係Post secondary institution, D審查官會reject 個PR申請.
      所以想問清楚,謝謝

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      You would need a study permit with work permit, to complete a program like this. There is a bit of risk, but on theory it should be ok. If finances is an issue, just know that Study Permit holders are also allowed to work in Canada.

    • @user-ke7ky4ct5q
      @user-ke7ky4ct5q Год назад

      我想請問一下"There ia a bit of risk",即係有咩風險我要承擔?
      謝謝

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +1

      @@user-ke7ky4ct5q Really not sure if your program will qualify, even if the school qualifies. Check for yourself: www.theworkingcentre.org/link/3901

    • @user-ke7ky4ct5q
      @user-ke7ky4ct5q Год назад +1

      我揾過你地畀我的鏈結, 佢需要遞交成績表的文件做評估, 但我手上沒有呢間College 的成績表.
      我只係想查證下呢間 Create Career College 的 no code web development & UI/UX 2 year diploma with Co op 係米 符合stream A 申請到PR?
      定還是我吾識揾係呢個鏈結或者 有冇其他方法可以揾到?
      麻煩晒,謝謝

  • @wboy2389
    @wboy2389 Год назад +1

    thanks for everything!
    請問點先知個 2 year diploma 可唔可以連續16個月上堂讀完?

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      Yes

  • @newzealand4342
    @newzealand4342 Год назад +1

    請問是否可以付費請您幫我解答一個個人的corner case。一個比較specific的問題

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      Sorry no. We are a government funded settlement agency to serve Permanent residents in Canada. We are not an immigration consulting firm.

  • @MM-mh6nv
    @MM-mh6nv Год назад +1

    A hello from Guelph

  • @greend52
    @greend52 Год назад +1

    Can we expect further changes to PR pathway stream b graduation limit from 5 years extend to 10 years ?
    What are the chances ?

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      I cannot answer this question, but I do not recommend applicants to take chances. There are paths and instructions to follows, and it is possible to make oneself eligible based on these instructions.

  • @PierreC-my1mh
    @PierreC-my1mh Год назад

    想問 41:00 的Seneca Self-directed Online Programs是否需要申請study permit?持OWP在加拿大工作的人可以報讀嗎?

    • @PierreC-my1mh
      @PierreC-my1mh Год назад

      我自己問了Seneca,他們說這課程超過半年,所以需要申請study permit。

  • @user-ke7ky4ct5q
    @user-ke7ky4ct5q Год назад

    不好意思,想請問一下我行stream A, 讀2年diploma, 但我見有D College 可以提供1年 或者一些 course 可以在香港online上堂, 然後剩下的couse係Canada讀.
    想問下會吾會對stream A 有影響? 算吾算屬於2年College Diplom?
    謝謝

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +1

      For over 50% of the time of your original duration of the entire program, you need to be in Canada. Having transfer credits do not matter even if it shortens your program. It is the ultimate diploma that counts. But you also need to have a study permit to qualify for PR. If your perusal is not eligible for study permit, you are likely not eligible. So make sure you choose a program that is eligible for study permit. If it is completely online and won't qualify for study permit, choose a program that at least give you a placement semester, which will give you a permit.

    • @user-ke7ky4ct5q
      @user-ke7ky4ct5q Год назад +1

      1)因為個個2年College Diploma 有 DLI NO., 想請問一下會唔會合乎study permit 的條件? 會係邊個網頁會睇到合吾合乎study permit 的條件?
      2) 想請問一下2年College Diploma, 如果吾夠時間,可吾可以一邊在香港讀住1年online program, 一邊申請study permit?
      還是一定要study permit才能開始1年的online program?
      謝謝

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      @@user-ke7ky4ct5q the program page should tell you. And if not, you need to email them.

    • @user-ke7ky4ct5q
      @user-ke7ky4ct5q Год назад +1

      @@CFSO Thanks

  • @petertang6990
    @petertang6990 Год назад +1

    可否讀distance learning degree, 例如英國的master degree

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      The answer is covered in this video.

  • @lynnecanlas
    @lynnecanlas Год назад +1

    Hi Dr. Wong, Thank you so much for you help. Can I send an email regarding an inquiry? I cannot understand chinese .

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      Info@cfso.care

  • @fubukitakane6258
    @fubukitakane6258 Год назад +1

    做Engineer嘅話會睇你隻手有冇鐵介字,可以話係一種歧視

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      No la. I have many engineer friends and family. The metal ring is a symbol only. Most of them don't wear it everyday. They just go into a drawer like your graduation diploma.

  • @susannachan1772
    @susannachan1772 Год назад

    多謝Dr Wong和家和的付出。
    我想請教,若我已完成一年工作,是否只要我兒子22歲生日前來到加拿大,我都可以幫他申請PR?
    另外,他是否需要在整個申請過程都留在加拿大?

  • @knnn66
    @knnn66 Год назад

    你好呀 想請教下 如果係DLI學院既2年diploma 但括住credit free 行stream A ok嗎?🙈🙇🏽🙏🏽

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад

      I dont understand what you mean by credit free. Can you show me the link?

    • @knnn66
      @knnn66 Год назад +1

      Occupational Diplomas and Certificates

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +3

      @@knnn66 still not sure. Feel free to email us at info@cfso.care

  • @alisonh.9392
    @alisonh.9392 Год назад +1

    想請問ILACIC 符唔符合stream A的申請要求?

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +1

      www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/study-canada/study-permit/prepare/designated-learning-institutions-list.html

    • @alisonh.9392
      @alisonh.9392 Год назад +1

      I’m confused they can fulfill stream A requirements or not. Their diploma programme provide 1 year study in Canada and 1 year co-op.

    • @alisonh.9392
      @alisonh.9392 Год назад

      Their DLI number O19319417742

    • @alisonh.9392
      @alisonh.9392 Год назад +1

      @@CFSO Why they are not a DLI? I can find their DLI number on the lists🙏🏻

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +1

      @@alisonh.9392 If you are talking about the ILCAC in Toronto, yes they are DLI, but they do not offer you PGWD so you need a legal status to stay in Canada while you wait. Also, COOP or not is not an issue. I suppose you are talking about the 2-year post-secondary diplomas? If someone is only taking language programs at a college, those are usually not eligible. Professional programs with coop year like 1+1 are treated the same as 2year programs.

  • @MickeySn
    @MickeySn Год назад +1

    好多人話EE好難

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      That's not really true. Many OWP holders have used EE to become PR successfully.

  • @YukyinNg-yf1pc
    @YukyinNg-yf1pc Год назад +1

    18:52 "Interview 得即係已經被人blacklist咗", 你咁講間接指出 ARU 同 Sunderland 被 blacklist, 呢個係失實陳述, 全無根據, 所謂專業機構講出啲咁嘅說話, 專唔專業? 負唔負責任? 是IRCC說的嗎? 有證據請拿出來formally警惕世人. 如果只是你個人狗噏, 咁也可以用嚟一笑置之。

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +1

      Thank you for your feedback. We went back to review the reference you had mentioned. While we did not explicit say that those institutions were blacklisted, some people may misconstrue our statements and come to the wrong conclusion. Therefore, we have edited out that part of the video. Thank you so much for the insights.

  • @gbush1620
    @gbush1620 Год назад +1

    IRCC根本唔係發救生艇
    係當你乞兒
    果D-日到乞(算係咁啦,送個PR畀你吖,怨婦)反省下自己

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +3

      應該話,要香港人嚟建設經濟,而唔係當佢哋難民。

    • @gbush1620
      @gbush1620 Год назад +1

      @@CFSO 佢想港人建加,就開放工簽畀所有港人(19位議員去年公開信),有本事就留,交税畀你使,冇本事就走,Fair Play。夠年數即係對貴個有供獻,PR then Passport.
      佢地 make things complex,老抽整色整水。

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +7

      The country has a responsibility to be selective of who to about into the country. For the benefits of the country and protection of its people assets, and values I am sure you can agree that not all Hongkongers should be admitted to Canada, not to HK. And with the instructions in black and white now, everyone can choose to make an effort to make themselves eligibility.

  • @PierreC-my1mh
    @PierreC-my1mh Год назад +1

    聽說OWP可以續期三年,即前後可工作六年,想問問消息這是否真實?

    • @CFSO
      @CFSO  Год назад +2

      www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/work-canada/permit/open-work-permit-hong-kong-recent-graduates.html