Bash Ka Gday mate, They are a handy tool to have. But also very dangerous if not used correctly. Plus you need the solid steel points on your 4wd to use one. Thanks for your reply mate. Cheers Tim.
I see heaps of trucks with HLJ's on their roof going to work every week. I'm guilty of it too. And yep the day I got bogged and took it off the roof to prop up the rear end to slide the max trax under it, it didn't want to work properly. I had no WD40 handy in the situation and by crickey I wasn't game to use my finger to push the pins and hold the weight. Luckily for me a couple of dirt bikers came along and with the extra set of hands I managed the lift and recovery. These lift jacks are common as these days and I know for a fact that 90% of owners don't use them until it's needed!! You should do another video emphasizing the importance of maintenance and practice. Cheers Tim you're a legend.
"never use anything that's got skin attached to it, your hand, your finger, to hit that lever.." Great advice! I remember grandpa telling me something very similar 40 years ago when he was teaching me. His version was a bit more colorful though...
Gday Charlie, Yeah it’s not a good idea putting anything with skin attached anywhere near that mechanism. Great advise from your grandpa mate. Thanks for your reply. Cheers Tim.
There we were, in the dark with no idea how to use the jack we'd borrowed from a mate... Quick RUclips search... Then up comes Tim with his perfect and succinct advice! No waffling, no jargon, just facts to get you going. Thank you so much Tim! 👍🙏😁
G'day Cameron, Thats unreal this video helped you out in a real time of need. Glad you got out ok. Wicked stuff mate. Thanks for your feedback. Cheers Tim
Great demo Tim. The maintenance and especially the lubrication of the pins are essential. You see so many covered in dust and bound up from lack of use that the pins can seize, and as you say, you won't hear that 'click' and the jack is loaded!!! Thanks again.
N Noddy Gday mate, That’s for sure mate. Spray the moving parts, so that they move when you need them to. Thanks heaps for your reply and feedback mate. Cheers Tim.
This is the best video I watched on the use of this Jack! And because you showed a close up of the mechanics, I found out my lower spring loaded pin with the small rod Thur it is bent and that’s why it wouldn’t operate properly. You save me more the just time! Thanks.
G'day Frank, Thanks heaps mate, thats great you found this video helpful. Hope you can sort out that bent pin mate. Thanks again for your feedback. Cheers Tim
Gday mate That’s great you found this video helpful. They are a dangerous item to use that’s for sure, but handy in some recoveries. Thanks a lot for your feedback. Cheers Tim
Thanks Tim! Had one for years, never had to use one, didn't know how to use one untill now! Glad I happened upon your channel. Bottle jack makes sense also, less dangerous.
They're incredibly useful tools from ripping up small trees and fence posts to helping lift small structures. With the right setup and enough time these things are dynamite. I used a farm jack for the first time in the 80's dad was quick to tell me how fast it would kill you or at best break whatever part of you is in the way. Thankfully I've never seen one fail or a person fail at using one. Right up there with chainsaws, ladders and grinders. You absolutely can't get too comfortable using them.
G'day mate, Yes they sure are a very handy tool to use when in the right hands. Sounds like your dad has taught you the safe techniques on how to use a jack properly. There's many dangerous tools available, but they are only dangerous when they aren't use correctly like the few you mentioned. Thanks for your feedback. Cheers Tim
I had no idea the High Lift farm jack was so dangerous. New jack user here with no one to guide me, thank you for the professional and well done video!
Gday Tiffany, Yes, they are a handy recovery item to have. But, if not used correctly, they are very dangerous. I’m glad you found the video helpful. Thanks for your feedback. Cheers Tim
So, I recently bought a high lift jack to pull out some fence posts. I'd never used one and had no clue how dangerous they could be to the uneducated. Although I am safety conscious, my head, my arms, my teeth and my face thank you for a great video. 😄
@@ernestthebo5441 Gday mate, It’s amazing how many people use a high lift jack for things other than 4wd recoveries. They are very dangerous if you’re not careful I’m glad you found my video helpful Cheers Tim.
Great little video there. So many people have hi lifts but many dont know how to use them properly or dont really understand the associated dangers. Good tip is to practice using it at home so you get a good understanding how it works for when you really need it.
G'day Damien, For sure mate. They are a dangerous item if not used correctly. Practicing a few times at home is a great idea mate. Thanks for your feedback and reply. Cheers Tim.
Back in the eighties for my series III Land Rover The high lift jack was my go to piece of recovery equipment. You could use it as a winch, or a lift. You could attach it to any point of the vehicle. But yes you had to be very careful with them as they do bite! The high lift jack and a Tirfor hand winch got me out of all sorts of predicaments😂
G'day mate, Thats for sure, they are a very handy jack for all sorts of recovery situations. I don't carry one anymore. But if they bite you, they bite you good. Very dangerous tool if not used correctly. Thanks mate for your reply. Cheers Tim.
Good video. Irony is we had one on our Land Rovers in the army in East Timor and yet in all the driver courses I did we were not trained to use one. I was lucky one of my team had one on his personal 4WD so when we needed to use it (a few times!) he was the one that did the work. Now I have bought one I know how to use it. Thanks
G'day mate, Thats unreal that you carried a high lift but were never trained on how to use one. Good thing you have got that sorted out now in using one safety. Thanks for your reply mate. Cheers Tim.
Bloody excellent video mate, keep your head out of the kill zone. Support the jack listen for the clicks and don’t introduce flesh at any stage. Practice and go slow. If in doubt watch the video again! Great advice many thanks. 😀
G'day Craig, Yeah mate, sometimes simple common sense gets forgotten about. But it works well when its used. Thanks heaps for your reply mate. Cheers Tim.
High lift jacks are great! When i was young i got the one with the extra tall bar. It's a poor man's winch. Most often i'd jack my heap (a full sized 1974 Chevy Blazer with an iron 350 V8 and an amazingly heavy transfer case) up to the top and push it over to get unstuck. Saved my bacon many times. Sure, you've got to be careful but that's what brains are for. I sure had a lot of fun with that truck. It only cost $600 so i didn't care about dents and scratches. I totally thrashed it and sold it for double. Not a straight panel on that thing when i was finished with it! :D
Gday Greg, Yeah mate, they can be very handy for using as a winch. End of the day, if it gets you out and back home it’s a good thing. Your truck sounds like a beast mate. Nice having the 350 in it, heaps of power. Thanks mate for your reply. Cheers Tim.
They are often called handyman jacks in the states. Great tool, but indeed dangerous if mishandled. Remember, you can orient them horizontally to pull something in an emergency.
Gday mate, Ahh righto, I’ve not heard them called that over in Australia. They are a handy jack with a number of uses. Just dangerous if not used correctly. Thanks mate for your feedback and dropping in from the States. Cheers Tim
Gday mate, Thanks very much for your feedback. The high lift jack is a very dangerous tool and it’s no place for hands and fingers when it’s under load. I really appreciate your feedback Cheers Tim
I received my 80 inch HI Lift jack today. I'm 72 years old and this is the first time I've ever owned (or even operated) one. I've seen them in action, but never really paid much attention. I think it is so cool how the two pins alternate as they lift a load. I was surprised when the jack just fell when I hit the lever to the down position, no jacking needed and I used a hammer, not my hand to lower the lever. I now understand that the jack has to be under a load for it not just just collapse when the lever is knocked downward. You made real nice video and it has helped me understand my jack, thanks. To lube it, do you just soak the pins area with WD40?
G'day mate, I'm so glad you found the video helpful, considering you have just got your first high lift jack. Under load the jack shouldn't drop, but incase it does dont use your hand. Yes, i would use a spray like WD40 to keep the jack mechanism working freely. Thanks very much mate for your reply. Cheers Tim
Just got one this morning for Christmas. Thanks TB. The box says its not for changing tyres, but I'd imagine that's what a lot of people use them for! Litigation culture at its finest
Gday Mark, So many people use them for changing tyres, because the standard Jack general isn’t high enough on a lift suspension 4wd. Just be very careful if using them for tyre changes. You have a great Christmas Day mate. Cheers Tim.
Another great video Tim. We don't have HiLift jacks but I'm guessing that they are like any jack, never get under a vehicle only supported by a HiLift Jack. Rgs Wayne.
G'day mate, Yeah, you never climb under a vehicle thats lifted off the ground with a high lift jack. They can become very unstable while loaded up with a vehicle on it. Thanks for your reply mate. Cheers Tim.
Thanks mate. Very dangerous item the high lift jack, if it's not used correctly. Thanks mate for your feedback on the video, im glad you found it helpful. Cheers Tim.
as a humble beginner, I honestly think about these off-road situations even for a standard height 4wd. Honestly a high jack scares me. for at home doing maintenance , i use a Ridge Ryder Caravan Scissor Jack - 1600kg accompanied with two stands (always packed in vehicle). The positive. *is the jack it's long enough so that my head, limbs are out of the way from the body, or front nudge bar when jacking both front wheels up. *the impact gun does the work. *low profile + 60cm jack height. The negative *is the thread is aggressive, and using an impact gun on it will eventually lead it to fail or strip. *even with a large base plate, I've seen how it can begin to buckle when the base is on an uneven surface. I would nt say no the chance to listen to an engineer to explain/guess how one would be able to make a product like it but designed for a impact tool usage and more resistant to twisting etc overall.. Cheers from Shaun.
G'day Shaun, Yeah mate, the traditional high lift jack can be scary when they are getting to full height. A dangerous tool thats for sure. I've not seen the caravan jack that you are using. Sounds like there's pro's and cons for both types of jack. Thanks mate for your feedback. Cheers Tim
Gracias por el video, Ud habla como si fuera de la tierra de abajo. Just in case I mean You sound like you are in Down under? Am I right? Saludos desde Costa Rica..
great demonstration Tim - I watched the video because I was about to buy one, under the impression that they are a must for the lifted 4WD out on the tracks - but now I see from the numerous comments that they aren’t anywhere near as essential as I thought they were - so I’ll stick with a bottle jack instead - that’ll save some money and weight as, like many, I’m rapidly approaching my GVM - love the channel mate - Chris
Gday Chris, Yeah, I don’t even carry one anymore. They are heavy and if you’re getting close on GVM, then worth thinking about that one. Thanks heaps for your feedback and reply mate. Cheers Tim.
Gday mate, Yeah for sure mate, keep those fingers and hands well away from the lever when its time to lower your jack. Thanks for your reply and feedback mate, im glad you found some helpful tips, when using a high lift jack. Cheers Tim.
Good one Tim,somewhere remote,and your finger gets removed curtesy of your high lift jack,how much trouble are you going to be in?Or a broken nose from the loaded handle slipping from your wet hands.Like you say,think safety,take your time,and come away safe,and ready for more adventures 👍🙂
My truck has trailer hitch adapters on both ends. Just insert the jack in the hitch receiver and it won't skip out sideways. Of course, the truck could fall over sideways, though. Just be careful and watch the truck closely for movement in any direction. These jacks were originally designed to lift tractors that have no suspension, as well.
I know that the highlift jack locks into position with two bolts, but I would like to see how it raises the load. I am curious because I have never had such an one, and I like mechanics.. Greetings again. Aufwiederschauen..à la prochaine, Hasta la vista.. P.S I would like ya to post a video on the inside workings,which is not so easily see it.. By the way I have an automaticTerracan 4 WD.
G'day mate, I'll see if i can get a video like what you have asked for, made mate. Thats great you have a Terracan, i hope you get out to some amazing places in it. Cheers Tim.
@@timbates4wdadventures Hi! Yes they are, and the ones I bought bring a specific space in the middle of the board suitable for the hi-lift. Do you know this type of board and if they are strong enough for those situations that are necessary to use as a base? Thank you and my best regards!
@@dokas77 ahh righto mate. If the board has a specific designed moulded square for the base plate of the Jack to go into, they would be fine if designed like that. Only issue I see with using the boards you have, is the length of them. They could be a awkward to use in some ground conditions. Other than the timber plate that I used in the video. You can also buy a moulded smaller plate for the Jack to sit in. The moulding would look pretty much the same as your recovery board. But they are a lot shorter and purpose made just for the base of the Jack plate to sit in. So, there’s a few options mate for mounting the base of your hi lift Jack. Hope that helps mate. Cheers Tim
@@timbates4wdadventures I had already researched about these specific bases for the Hi-Lift and I chose to buy the boards because they do both in one. But I will opt for your suggestion and get a good piece of strong wood to do the same function, that way I save some money to spend on diesel ... 👌😁 Thank you very much for the advice and for the excellent demonstration video always appealing to safety. My best regards as a lover of the GR Y61 - from AZORES in Portugal. 🦅🇵🇹
@@dokas77 Thats cool mate, the boards are very handy. I have a pair that i take away on some trips. Mine don't have the indent for the hi lift jack. Having a solid board is also handy, just incase the boards that you have might be too long to go on the ground at the time you need to use them. Thanks very much for your reply and feedback mate, i greatly appreciate it. Go the might Y61, great 4wd. Take care in Portugal. Cheers Tim.
A loooong time ago, my family visited our Florida “swamp family” cousins. It was a Sunday morning, and my uncle, my brother, two cousins, me, and a typical loud-mouth, over weight, smart-ass, know-it-all Swamp Bumpkin went on a ride around the north Florida bogs and swamps in the know-it-all’s hopped-up International Harvester Scout. I was 12, maybe 13 (I’m 65 now), and my father gave my brother and I permission to go as long as we promised not to get muddy (we were leaving later that day, and we had a six hour drive in front of us-and understandably, my Dad didn’t want to be traveling with filthy kids!) Anyway, the Know-it-all, got us stuck; remembering my promise to my Dad, my brother and I couldn’t get into the mud to help push....plus the swamp know-it-all was improperly using one of these jacks. My father was an aerospace engineer.....and I understood enough physics to see that jack had a load on it, and it was starting to lean. Yep....you guessed it. “Swamp Ape” losing his cool, and cursing my brother and I because we stood off to the side staying clean and watching, placed himself in the “danger zone” of that under pressure and teetering jack, and swearing at us, his car, and grunting, he pushed and shoved and that Jack flipped up and tonked him right on the noggin. He lived, and luckily only had a huge welt and cut on his forehead, but I am not sure that it really made him any smarter....and to this day, I’m an annoying Mr. Safety when anyone is using one of those jacks!
G'day mate, Thats an amazing story you have told from your experience with seeing just how dangerous a high lift jack is. They are super dangerous if not used correctly. Thanks for your reply mate, and good thing that you and your brother stayed clean. Lol Cheers Tim.
I remember my dad having a very close call with one of these, He never bothered chocking the defender up, He decided to jack the thing up, and remove the rear wheel. Only for the full works to move forward on him. The jack ended up jamming against the bodywork, So he couldn't release the jack, which may have been a good thing, as it dug into the ground. If it hadn't have done that, the thing would have slipped out. My mam was in a right panic, was she not, and played holy hell with him. I had to grab a proper jack ,axle stand, and some blocks. I had to chock, and the jack the car up and get an axle stand under there, just so it would take the pressure off the hi lift jack. He was very lucky, but still never learned from it. He wanted to use it to do repairs on mine, and i did the proper things, like diff lock, in gear and chocking. You could see the Lift jack was starting to slip from under mine, and it would just spring out, I said. Right a proper jack is getting used and that's it! Since then we never used it, and he sharp shut up about using one, after i read him a few stories on the defender forum on how dangerous they are on defenders, as they just spring out. A few lads have had some well close shaves with them, and that was only changing a tyre over. My dad has since decided to switch to a bottle jack like i did, and retire using a high lift jack altogether. Maybe ok to use for other things like recovery here, but as you say you have to be right on your metal with them. Seeing one starting to slip in front of me, with my pride and joy on, was well enough for me not to use one ever again.
Far out mate. These jacks are very dangerous thats for sure. I just use the standard jack in my Patrol now with a timber plate under it. Thanks heaps mate for your detailed reply. Cheers Tim
I'd attach the base plate to the bottom of the jack, and not take it off unless I'm replacing it with a new one. The replacement applies to both the jack and the base plate. Never know which one will get replaced when.
Gday mate That’s not a bad idea at all. That way you don’t have to go looking for a base plate when you need to use your jack. Thanks for your feedback Cheers Tim
Hi Tim, I'm a newb to 4wding. Been practising with the Hi Lift jack in the drive way. Haven't used it on the trails yet. My jacks instructions advised to keep the handle in the vertical position at all the times, unless in the process of cranking it up or down, and when doing this to always keep 2 hands on the handle. Seemed like good advice as the handle isn't holding any energy when in the upright position. Be interested what someone with a lot of experience thought of this advice. Hammer to flick the switch is an excellent idea. Will be using that.
G'day mate, Thats a great idea to have a few practice runs with your high lift jack, before using it out in the bush. Yeah always when you have finished using the jack, lock that handle away in the upright position, so that it cant be knocked by someone maybe walking into it. Yes, always keep a firm grip on that handle with two handles while the jack is being used. You don't want that handle to slip out of your hands, in between the clicks as i mentioned in the video. Using a hammer or a stick or a spanner, to knock that lever down is a great idea. Malfunctions don't happen often, but if it does. You don't want any part of your hand near that mechanism incase it falls. Thanks a-lot for your reply mate. Safe travels mate, and enjoy 4wding, its a heap of fun and so many places to check out. Cheers Tim.
@@timbates4wdadventures I've used them alot and I've came close from serious injury. I've also used them as my tyre popper in bush to pop the rim lol it's not a great sight if you make a mistake lol ouch
Some great advice there Tim.👍 Personally I think the potential dangers outweigh the benefits so carry a 4T bottle jack in addition to the cars standard jack. Although there is an inherent danger in any lifting mechanism- never can be too careful Cheers...
G'day mate, I hate the high lift jack. I don't carry one very often at all. They sure are a heavy item, and a good bottle jack is a good replacement. But, they high lift jack is a handy tool to have in some recovery cases. Thanks for your reply mate. Cheers Tim.
The going down part is so sketchy. I have the harbor freight one. The first time I used it I hit the lever and after the first click going down it wouldn’t go down anymore. Then all the sudden, it dropped all the way with the weight of my truck.
G'day mate, Thats no good what happened to you while using a hi lift jack. Thats why i mentioned about keeping hands well away from the jack while it's in the down position. Glad to hear you weren't hurt. Thanks for your feedback. Cheers Tim
Dam you make it look easy young felah,i like to practice lifting my landy on my concrete drive way and lose the vehicle sideways all the time,hmm i thinking its a landy problem because its a round lifting point not a flat one like your jack,l think it makes all four wheel drivers nerves when they get that high lift jack out,the more reason to practice. Stay safe and look after my nissan.
G'day Greg, I guess when you use something often enough, you will make it look easy when using it. It sure is a nerves time when a high lift is used in a recovery situation. Depending on what its used for and the ground the jack is going on. Thanks mate for your reply. Cheers Tim.
Do you use a high lift jack for recoveries?
Nope. Only have a steel bullbar and alloy tray. Cant see why I'd need one
@@chiphood2966 Thats it mate.
No good unless you have solid mounting points on your 4wd.
Thanks Tim was going to get one but now I don't want one thanks mate 👍
Bash Ka
Gday mate,
They are a handy tool to have.
But also very dangerous if not used correctly.
Plus you need the solid steel points on your 4wd to use one.
Thanks for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim.
I see heaps of trucks with HLJ's on their roof going to work every week. I'm guilty of it too. And yep the day I got bogged and took it off the roof to prop up the rear end to slide the max trax under it, it didn't want to work properly. I had no WD40 handy in the situation and by crickey I wasn't game to use my finger to push the pins and hold the weight. Luckily for me a couple of dirt bikers came along and with the extra set of hands I managed the lift and recovery. These lift jacks are common as these days and I know for a fact that 90% of owners don't use them until it's needed!! You should do another video emphasizing the importance of maintenance and practice. Cheers Tim you're a legend.
"never use anything that's got skin attached to it, your hand, your finger, to hit that lever.." Great advice! I remember grandpa telling me something very similar 40 years ago when he was teaching me. His version was a bit more colorful though...
Gday Charlie,
Yeah it’s not a good idea putting anything with skin attached anywhere near that mechanism.
Great advise from your grandpa mate.
Thanks for your reply.
Cheers Tim.
One second note, when changing the settings to the down position, do not stand under the bar. It could come loose and bonk you on the head.
There we were, in the dark with no idea how to use the jack we'd borrowed from a mate... Quick RUclips search... Then up comes Tim with his perfect and succinct advice! No waffling, no jargon, just facts to get you going. Thank you so much Tim! 👍🙏😁
G'day Cameron,
Thats unreal this video helped you out in a real time of need.
Glad you got out ok.
Wicked stuff mate.
Thanks for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
No music no BS straight to the point, great video. cheers
Thanks very much for your feedback, i greatly appreciate it.
Cheers Tim.
4:10 best hi-lift advice EVER, and the 100% correct solution to every person who say's farm jacks don't work. Great content, thank you!
Thanks very much mate.
I greatly appreciate your feedback.
Cheers Tim.
One of the best demos for basic operation of the Hi-lift I have seen.
G'day Andy,
Thanks mate, i really appreciate your reply.
Cheers Tim
One of the most concise and best videos about using a hi-lift correctly and safely that I've seen! Thanks.
Far out.
Thanks very much mate.
I really appreciate your feedback.
Cheers Tim
thank you for taking the time to film and demonstrate the safe use of this tool.
No worries at all mate. Thanks for your feedback and im glad you found the video helpful.
Cheers Tim
Great demo Tim.
The maintenance and especially the lubrication of the pins are essential. You see so many covered in dust and bound up from lack of use that the pins can seize, and as you say, you won't hear that 'click' and the jack is loaded!!!
Thanks again.
N Noddy
Gday mate,
That’s for sure mate. Spray the moving parts, so that they move when you need them to.
Thanks heaps for your reply and feedback mate.
Cheers Tim.
Whoa… Didn't realize you could lower the load gradually. Great video!!
@@lxqn thanks mate for your feedback.
Glad you found the video helpful
Cheers Tim
Good demo, safety Number one was stressed. Thanks.
G'day Steve,
Thats wicked mate.
Thanks for that feed back, i greatly appreciate it.
Cheers Tim.
This is the best video I watched on the use of this Jack! And because you showed a close up of the mechanics, I found out my lower spring loaded pin with the small rod Thur it is bent and that’s why it wouldn’t operate properly. You save me more the just time! Thanks.
G'day Frank,
Thanks heaps mate, thats great you found this video helpful.
Hope you can sort out that bent pin mate.
Thanks again for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
Great video. I just purchased a jack!
Thank you. You gave more safety tips than the booklet that came with the jack.
Gday mate
That’s great you found this video helpful.
They are a dangerous item to use that’s for sure, but handy in some recoveries.
Thanks a lot for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
One of the best safety videos I've seen. Thank you very much for sharing!
Thanks heaps mate.
I really appreciate your feedback
Cheers Tim
Thanks Tim!
Had one for years, never had to use one, didn't know how to use one untill now! Glad I happened upon your channel. Bottle jack makes sense also, less dangerous.
Gday Chris.
Yeah same here mate.
I don’t even carry a hi lift Jack any more.
A bottle Jack is heaps safer.
Thanks mate for your feedback.
Cheers Tim.
Thank you very much for posting this video. The audio and video quality is excellent, I also like when. The camera guy zooms in 🎉
@@nvidiasniper thanks very much mate.
I greatly appreciate your feedback and that you found the video helpful
Cheers Tim.
Just bought my first one after needing it. Thanks for telling how to use safely. Love your accent. Cheers mate
Thats great mate you found the video helpfull.
Thanks for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
They're incredibly useful tools from ripping up small trees and fence posts to helping lift small structures. With the right setup and enough time these things are dynamite.
I used a farm jack for the first time in the 80's dad was quick to tell me how fast it would kill you or at best break whatever part of you is in the way. Thankfully I've never seen one fail or a person fail at using one. Right up there with chainsaws, ladders and grinders. You absolutely can't get too comfortable using them.
G'day mate,
Yes they sure are a very handy tool to use when in the right hands.
Sounds like your dad has taught you the safe techniques on how to use a jack properly.
There's many dangerous tools available, but they are only dangerous when they aren't use correctly like the few you mentioned.
Thanks for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
I'm going to put a decal "nothing with skin attached" on it. Best way to get the point across! Thanks for explaining the triangle of death!
Haha
Great idea.
Thanks very much for your feedback
Cheers Tim
Thanks Tim I just bought one watching your video puts me at ease to use it cheers
Gday Craig,
That’s great mate you found this video helpful now you a hi lift Jack.
They are handy mate.
Thanks for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
Thanks for the video. Hadnt used my grandpa's jack in 40 years. Forgot how it worked.
Thanks mate.
I’m glad you found the video helpful.
Hopefully your grandpa’s Jack is still working well.
Cheers Tim.
@@timbates4wdadventures yessir. little bit of spray lubricant and it started working perfectly.
@@jwoellhof that’s great mate.
The high lift jack is a pretty tough tool.
Awesome, right to the point. Love the way you explain in common man’s language with the close ups to really show what’s happening
@@CaptainJohn Gday mate
Thanks for your reply
I greatly appreciate your feedback.
Cheers Tim
I had no idea the High Lift farm jack was so dangerous. New jack user here with no one to guide me, thank you for the professional and well done video!
Gday Tiffany,
Yes, they are a handy recovery item to have. But, if not used correctly, they are very dangerous.
I’m glad you found the video helpful.
Thanks for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
Just got one never used it before, I found this super helpful. Cheers mate
Gday mate
That’s great you found this video to give you some helpful tips.
Thanks for your feedback mate.
Cheers Tim
I needed this tutorial; thanks Tim!
(and finally someone who knows good audio is important!)
Gday mate,
Thanks for watching my video and thats great you found it helpful.
I greatly appreciate your feedback.
Cheers Tim
So, I recently bought a high lift jack to pull out some fence posts. I'd never used one and had no clue how dangerous they could be to the uneducated. Although I am safety conscious, my head, my arms, my teeth and my face thank you for a great video.
😄
@@ernestthebo5441 Gday mate,
It’s amazing how many people use a high lift jack for things other than 4wd recoveries.
They are very dangerous if you’re not careful
I’m glad you found my video helpful
Cheers Tim.
Great little video there. So many people have hi lifts but many dont know how to use them properly or dont really understand the associated dangers. Good tip is to practice using it at home so you get a good understanding how it works for when you really need it.
G'day Damien,
For sure mate.
They are a dangerous item if not used correctly.
Practicing a few times at home is a great idea mate.
Thanks for your feedback and reply.
Cheers Tim.
Back in the eighties for my series III Land Rover The high lift jack was my go to piece of recovery equipment. You could use it as a winch, or a lift. You could attach it to any point of the vehicle. But yes you had to be very careful with them as they do bite! The high lift jack and a Tirfor hand winch got me out of all sorts of predicaments😂
G'day mate,
Thats for sure, they are a very handy jack for all sorts of recovery situations.
I don't carry one anymore. But if they bite you, they bite you good.
Very dangerous tool if not used correctly.
Thanks mate for your reply.
Cheers Tim.
Good video. Irony is we had one on our Land Rovers in the army in East Timor and yet in all the driver courses I did we were not trained to use one. I was lucky one of my team had one on his personal 4WD so when we needed to use it (a few times!) he was the one that did the work. Now I have bought one I know how to use it. Thanks
G'day mate,
Thats unreal that you carried a high lift but were never trained on how to use one.
Good thing you have got that sorted out now in using one safety.
Thanks for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim.
Bloody excellent video mate, keep your head out of the kill zone. Support the jack listen for the clicks and don’t introduce flesh at any stage. Practice and go slow. If in doubt watch the video again! Great advice many thanks. 😀
Gday Ryan,
Thanks very much mate for your feedback.
I greatly appreciate it.
They sure are a dangerous item to use if used incorrectly.
Cheers Tim
Thank you for sharing the technique. I learned a lot!
Gday mate.
That’s great you found the video helpful.
The high lift can be a dangerous tool to use.
Thanks a lot for your feedback
Cheers Tim
Great work as always Tim...common bloody sense (where has it gone ??) Well done Batesy !!
G'day Craig,
Yeah mate, sometimes simple common sense gets forgotten about.
But it works well when its used.
Thanks heaps for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim.
Words of wisdom Timbo - thanks for sharing!! Great full demo Lift and Lower, cheers.
Gday Murray,
Thanks mate.
They sure are a dangerous item to use.
Thanks heaps for your feedback.
Cheers Tim.
This is a damn good video. A must watch for all the city people that use them as an ornament.
G'day Justin,
Thanks mate for your feedback, i greatly appreciate it.
So many people carry a hilift jack for good looks.
Thanks again.
Cheers Tim
High lift jacks are great! When i was young i got the one with the extra tall bar. It's a poor man's winch. Most often i'd jack my heap (a full sized 1974 Chevy Blazer with an iron 350 V8 and an amazingly heavy transfer case) up to the top and push it over to get unstuck. Saved my bacon many times. Sure, you've got to be careful but that's what brains are for. I sure had a lot of fun with that truck. It only cost $600 so i didn't care about dents and scratches. I totally thrashed it and sold it for double. Not a straight panel on that thing when i was finished with it! :D
Gday Greg,
Yeah mate, they can be very handy for using as a winch.
End of the day, if it gets you out and back home it’s a good thing.
Your truck sounds like a beast mate. Nice having the 350 in it, heaps of power.
Thanks mate for your reply.
Cheers Tim.
Entertaining and educational - love it! Thanks mate!
@@19ghost73 thanks mate.
Glad you found the video helpful.
Cheers Tim
Great instructional video. Thank you.
Gday Murray,
Thanks for your feedback mate.
Im glad that you found the video helpful.
Cheers Tim
Thank you for the demonstration. Well presented and to the point. 👏😊
Thanks very much mate.
I greatly appreciate your feedback.
Cheers Tim
Thank you for the awesome video good sir. Your friend from Canada
Gday mate.
Thanks for dropping in from Canada.
I really appreciate your feedback.
Cheers Tim.
Can you put it under a tow hitch? I dont have rock sliders, can do the bull bar but for the front..
@@pittchaser Gday mate
I’ve never seen the rear tow hitched used with a high lift jack.
So, I can’t say if it’s a good idea or not.
Cheers Tim.
The high lift jack,A dentist best friend...Thanks Tim...
Absolutely mate.
If that handle slips out of your hand, you’ll need a good dentist to fix the smashed teeth.
Cheers Tim
Love that accent!!! A pleasure to hear!
Gday mate,
That’s great you enjoyed the video.
Really appreciate your feedback.
Cheers Tim
Great video. No frills. Learned new stuff today. 👍🏽
Thanks mate. Thats great you found the video helpful.
Cheers Tim
They are often called handyman jacks in the states. Great tool, but indeed dangerous if mishandled.
Remember, you can orient them horizontally to pull something in an emergency.
Gday mate,
Ahh righto, I’ve not heard them called that over in Australia.
They are a handy jack with a number of uses.
Just dangerous if not used correctly.
Thanks mate for your feedback and dropping in from the States.
Cheers Tim
Great video. Easy to understand and no fluff, I wonder how many people this video has saved from mangled hands or worse.
Gday mate,
Thanks very much for your feedback.
The high lift jack is a very dangerous tool and it’s no place for hands and fingers when it’s under load.
I really appreciate your feedback
Cheers Tim
I received my 80 inch HI Lift jack today. I'm 72 years old and this is the first time I've ever owned (or even operated) one. I've seen them in action, but never really paid much attention. I think it is so cool how the two pins alternate as they lift a load. I was surprised when the jack just fell when I hit the lever to the down position, no jacking needed and I used a hammer, not my hand to lower the lever. I now understand that the jack has to be under a load for it not just just collapse when the lever is knocked downward. You made real nice video and it has helped me understand my jack, thanks. To lube it, do you just soak the pins area with WD40?
G'day mate,
I'm so glad you found the video helpful, considering you have just got your first high lift jack.
Under load the jack shouldn't drop, but incase it does dont use your hand.
Yes, i would use a spray like WD40 to keep the jack mechanism working freely.
Thanks very much mate for your reply.
Cheers Tim
Just got one this morning for Christmas. Thanks TB. The box says its not for changing tyres, but I'd imagine that's what a lot of people use them for! Litigation culture at its finest
Gday Mark,
So many people use them for changing tyres, because the standard Jack general isn’t high enough on a lift suspension 4wd.
Just be very careful if using them for tyre changes.
You have a great Christmas Day mate.
Cheers Tim.
Another great video Tim.
We don't have HiLift jacks but I'm guessing that they are like any jack, never get under a vehicle only supported by a HiLift Jack.
Rgs
Wayne.
G'day mate,
Yeah, you never climb under a vehicle thats lifted off the ground with a high lift jack.
They can become very unstable while loaded up with a vehicle on it.
Thanks for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim.
@@timbates4wdadventures any idea on ya convoy dates or locations yet ?.
Excellent video with some life saving tips!
Thanks mate.
Very dangerous item the high lift jack, if it's not used correctly.
Thanks mate for your feedback on the video, im glad you found it helpful.
Cheers Tim.
as a humble beginner, I honestly think about these off-road situations even for a standard height 4wd.
Honestly a high jack scares me.
for at home doing maintenance , i use a Ridge Ryder Caravan Scissor Jack - 1600kg accompanied with two stands (always packed in vehicle).
The positive.
*is the jack it's long enough so that my head, limbs are out of the way from the body, or front nudge bar when jacking both front wheels up.
*the impact gun does the work.
*low profile + 60cm jack height.
The negative
*is the thread is aggressive, and using an impact gun on it will eventually lead it to fail or strip.
*even with a large base plate, I've seen how it can begin to buckle when the base is on an uneven surface.
I would nt say no the chance to listen to an engineer to explain/guess how one would be able to make a product like it but designed for a impact tool usage and more resistant to twisting etc overall..
Cheers from Shaun.
G'day Shaun,
Yeah mate, the traditional high lift jack can be scary when they are getting to full height.
A dangerous tool thats for sure.
I've not seen the caravan jack that you are using.
Sounds like there's pro's and cons for both types of jack.
Thanks mate for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
Great video. The only thing I would add is don't stand directly in front of the jack, stand to the side. As they can flick out.
Gday Stephen
Great extra point mate.
They sure can be a dangerous item to use.
Thanks mate for your feedback.
Cheers Tim.
Really great video, much appreciated. 👍
Gday mate
Thanks a lot for your feedback
That’s great you found the video helpful.
Top stuff.
Cheers Tim.
Great video bud, just bought one after much research but unfortunately its junk and dangerous junk too, any rec's for a good brand? thanks
Gday mate,
Plenty of options for brands that make them.
The genuine Hi Lift brand is the go.
Thanks mate for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
Appreciate you putting this together
No worries at all mate.
I’m glad you found the video helpful.
Cheers Tim.
Kicked arse on the other videos I checked out ,little more time on the slide reverse mechanism would have made things a little clearer. CheerZ
G'day Peter,
Thanks mate for your feedback.
Cheers Tim.
Gracias por el video, Ud habla como si fuera de la tierra de abajo. Just in case I mean You sound like you are in Down under? Am I right? Saludos desde Costa Rica..
G'day mate,
Thats right. Down under Australia.
Thanks for your reply from Costa Rica.
Cheers Tim.
great demonstration Tim - I watched the video because I was about to buy one, under the impression that they are a must for the lifted 4WD out on the tracks - but now I see from the numerous comments that they aren’t anywhere near as essential as I thought they were - so I’ll stick with a bottle jack instead - that’ll save some money and weight as, like many, I’m rapidly approaching my GVM - love the channel mate - Chris
Gday Chris,
Yeah, I don’t even carry one anymore.
They are heavy and if you’re getting close on GVM, then worth thinking about that one.
Thanks heaps for your feedback and reply mate.
Cheers Tim.
Thanks Tim for your time and great advise. From now on I will use a hammer to release the mechanism. I am quite fond of my fingers, cheers!
Gday mate,
Yeah for sure mate, keep those fingers and hands well away from the lever when its time to lower your jack.
Thanks for your reply and feedback mate, im glad you found some helpful tips, when using a high lift jack.
Cheers Tim.
Great Video! Thank you!
@@infinityprospectinginc2313 thanks mate.
That’s great you found the video helpful
Cheers Tim.
Awesome video , thanks for all the help!!!
G'day mate,
Thanks mate.
Im glad you found the video helpful on using a high lift jack.
I appreciate your feedback.
Cheers Tim.
Good one Tim,somewhere remote,and your finger gets removed curtesy of your high lift jack,how much trouble are you going to be in?Or a broken nose from the loaded handle slipping from your wet hands.Like you say,think safety,take your time,and come away safe,and ready for more adventures 👍🙂
G'day Wayne,
Yeah for sure mate. Safe is key when using a high lift jack thats for sure.
Thanks heaps mate for your reply.
Cheers Tim.
When I put min into the lowering position, it tends to just go loose and fall at break neck speeds. Is this normal
No, they shouldn’t fall like that at all.
Might need to have your jack looked at.
Cheers Tim
My truck has trailer hitch adapters on both ends. Just insert the jack in the hitch receiver and it won't skip out sideways. Of course, the truck could fall over sideways, though. Just be careful and watch the truck closely for movement in any direction. These jacks were originally designed to lift tractors that have no suspension, as well.
G'day mate,
That sounds like a top idea with the hitch receivers at both ends.
That would work well.
Thanks for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim.
I can concur with this advice and my 5 stitches in my ear will serve as a good reminder.
Gday Thomas,
That doesn’t sound good what happened to you while using a high lift jack.
I hope all is ok.
Cheers Tim
I know that the highlift jack locks into position with two bolts, but I would like to see how it raises the load. I am curious because I have never had such an one, and I like mechanics.. Greetings again. Aufwiederschauen..à la prochaine, Hasta la vista.. P.S I would like ya to post a video on the inside workings,which is not so easily see it.. By the way I have an automaticTerracan 4 WD.
G'day mate,
I'll see if i can get a video like what you have asked for, made mate.
Thats great you have a Terracan, i hope you get out to some amazing places in it.
Cheers Tim.
Seeing that you are using languages, did you know that terracan is Russian for cockroach.
Do you recommend using a piece of board or can i use the rescue boards as a base?
G'day mate,
The rescue boards that you mention.
Are the the recovery boards that you use under the tyres in a bogged situation?
Cheers Tim.
@@timbates4wdadventures Hi!
Yes they are, and the ones I bought bring a specific space in the middle of the board suitable for the hi-lift.
Do you know this type of board and if they are strong enough for those situations that are necessary to use as a base?
Thank you and my best regards!
@@dokas77 ahh righto mate. If the board has a specific designed moulded square for the base plate of the Jack to go into, they would be fine if designed like that.
Only issue I see with using the boards you have, is the length of them.
They could be a awkward to use in some ground conditions.
Other than the timber plate that I used in the video.
You can also buy a moulded smaller plate for the Jack to sit in.
The moulding would look pretty much the same as your recovery board. But they are a lot shorter and purpose made just for the base of the Jack plate to sit in.
So, there’s a few options mate for mounting the base of your hi lift Jack.
Hope that helps mate.
Cheers Tim
@@timbates4wdadventures I had already researched about these specific bases for the Hi-Lift and I chose to buy the boards because they do both in one. But I will opt for your suggestion and get a good piece of strong wood to do the same function, that way I save some money to spend on diesel ... 👌😁 Thank you very much for the advice and for the excellent demonstration video always appealing to safety. My best regards as a lover of the GR Y61 - from AZORES in Portugal. 🦅🇵🇹
@@dokas77 Thats cool mate, the boards are very handy. I have a pair that i take away on some trips. Mine don't have the indent for the hi lift jack.
Having a solid board is also handy, just incase the boards that you have might be too long to go on the ground at the time you need to use them.
Thanks very much for your reply and feedback mate, i greatly appreciate it.
Go the might Y61, great 4wd.
Take care in Portugal.
Cheers Tim.
Great vid Tim. Safety first...... ALWAYS.
G'day mate,
Safety first alright with one of those things.
Thanks for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim.
Good one Tim, well presented, I’ve never used my h l jack, have it in case 👍👍👍
Thanks mate.
I rarely take my high lift jack any more.
Thanks for your reply and feedback.
Cheers Tim.
A loooong time ago, my family visited our Florida “swamp family” cousins. It was a Sunday morning, and my uncle, my brother, two cousins, me, and a typical loud-mouth, over weight, smart-ass, know-it-all Swamp Bumpkin went on a ride around the north Florida bogs and swamps in the know-it-all’s hopped-up International Harvester Scout. I was 12, maybe 13 (I’m 65 now), and my father gave my brother and I permission to go as long as we promised not to get muddy (we were leaving later that day, and we had a six hour drive in front of us-and understandably, my Dad didn’t want to be traveling with filthy kids!) Anyway, the Know-it-all, got us stuck; remembering my promise to my Dad, my brother and I couldn’t get into the mud to help push....plus the swamp know-it-all was improperly using one of these jacks. My father was an aerospace engineer.....and I understood enough physics to see that jack had a load on it, and it was starting to lean. Yep....you guessed it. “Swamp Ape” losing his cool, and cursing my brother and I because we stood off to the side staying clean and watching, placed himself in the “danger zone” of that under pressure and teetering jack, and swearing at us, his car, and grunting, he pushed and shoved and that Jack flipped up and tonked him right on the noggin. He lived, and luckily only had a huge welt and cut on his forehead, but I am not sure that it really made him any smarter....and to this day, I’m an annoying Mr. Safety when anyone is using one of those jacks!
G'day mate,
Thats an amazing story you have told from your experience with seeing just how dangerous a high lift jack is.
They are super dangerous if not used correctly.
Thanks for your reply mate, and good thing that you and your brother stayed clean. Lol
Cheers Tim.
Oi! A very good instructional video. 5 stars.
Thanks mate.
I’m glad you found it helpful.
Cheers Tim
reminds me of crank starting motors in the railways and lister generators
Yeah mate, a bit of the same action with using a high lift jack.
Thanks for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim.
I remember my dad having a very close call with one of these, He never bothered chocking the defender up, He decided to jack the thing up, and remove the rear wheel. Only for the full works to move forward on him. The jack ended up jamming against the bodywork, So he couldn't release the jack, which may have been a good thing, as it dug into the ground. If it hadn't have done that, the thing would have slipped out. My mam was in a right panic, was she not, and played holy hell with him. I had to grab a proper jack ,axle stand, and some blocks. I had to chock, and the jack the car up and get an axle stand under there, just so it would take the pressure off the hi lift jack. He was very lucky, but still never learned from it. He wanted to use it to do repairs on mine, and i did the proper things, like diff lock, in gear and chocking. You could see the Lift jack was starting to slip from under mine, and it would just spring out, I said. Right a proper jack is getting used and that's it! Since then we never used it, and he sharp shut up about using one, after i read him a few stories on the defender forum on how dangerous they are on defenders, as they just spring out. A few lads have had some well close shaves with them, and that was only changing a tyre over. My dad has since decided to switch to a bottle jack like i did, and retire using a high lift jack altogether. Maybe ok to use for other things like recovery here, but as you say you have to be right on your metal with them. Seeing one starting to slip in front of me, with my pride and joy on, was well enough for me not to use one ever again.
Far out mate.
These jacks are very dangerous thats for sure.
I just use the standard jack in my Patrol now with a timber plate under it.
Thanks heaps mate for your detailed reply.
Cheers Tim
Thank you very much for the video!
No worries mate, I’m glad you found the high lift Jack video helpful.
Thanks for your reply.
Cheers Tim
Excellent video
Thanks mate.
I appreciate your feedback.
Cheers Tim
Sick! Love it ! Thank you❤
No worries.
Cheers Tim.
thanks tim another great bit of advice
G'day Gary,
Thanks mate.
They sure are a very dangerous item to use.
Thats great you found the video helpful.
Thanks mate for your reply.
Cheers Tim.
Thanks for this.
No worries at all mate.
I’m glad you found it helpful.
Thanks for your feedback
Cheers Tim
I'd attach the base plate to the bottom of the jack, and not take it off unless I'm replacing it with a new one. The replacement applies to both the jack and the base plate. Never know which one will get replaced when.
Gday mate
That’s not a bad idea at all.
That way you don’t have to go looking for a base plate when you need to use your jack.
Thanks for your feedback
Cheers Tim
@@timbates4wdadventures My pleasure. Keep the good advice coming.
Cheers,
Colton R. Magby.
@@ColtonRMagby thanks very much.
I really appreciate it.
@@timbates4wdadventures You're welcome.
Thx. Safety condition for everbody
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
Hi Tim,
I'm a newb to 4wding. Been practising with the Hi Lift jack in the drive way. Haven't used it on the trails yet.
My jacks instructions advised to keep the handle in the vertical position at all the times, unless in the process of cranking it up or down, and when doing this to always keep 2 hands on the handle. Seemed like good advice as the handle isn't holding any energy when in the upright position. Be interested what someone with a lot of experience thought of this advice.
Hammer to flick the switch is an excellent idea. Will be using that.
G'day mate,
Thats a great idea to have a few practice runs with your high lift jack, before using it out in the bush.
Yeah always when you have finished using the jack, lock that handle away in the upright position, so that it cant be knocked by someone maybe walking into it.
Yes, always keep a firm grip on that handle with two handles while the jack is being used.
You don't want that handle to slip out of your hands, in between the clicks as i mentioned in the video.
Using a hammer or a stick or a spanner, to knock that lever down is a great idea.
Malfunctions don't happen often, but if it does. You don't want any part of your hand near that mechanism
incase it falls.
Thanks a-lot for your reply mate.
Safe travels mate, and enjoy 4wding, its a heap of fun and so many places to check out.
Cheers Tim.
Great information about this for the people that don't take this seriously
G'day Chris,
Thanks mate, they are a damn dangerous item, thats for sure.
Thanks for your feed back mate.
Cheers Tim.
@@timbates4wdadventures I've used them alot and I've came close from serious injury. I've also used them as my tyre popper in bush to pop the rim lol it's not a great sight if you make a mistake lol ouch
@@chriscoyne4827 Yeah mate, they have quite a few applications for use.
But fair dinkum dangerous.
Cheers Tim.
Would you even be able to jack it high enough to change a tire?
G'day Sam,
You could just. But, not ideal having them that high.
I rarely even carry mine anymore.
Cheers Tim.
Love an Aussie accent....I feel like this dude would be an AWESOME dude to ride with in the Outback!
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
Brilliant thank you!
Thanks mate.
I’m glad you found the video helpful.
Cheers Tim.
Some great advice there Tim.👍 Personally I think the potential dangers outweigh the benefits so carry a 4T bottle jack in addition to the cars standard jack. Although there is an inherent danger in any lifting mechanism- never can be too careful
Cheers...
G'day mate,
I hate the high lift jack.
I don't carry one very often at all.
They sure are a heavy item, and a good bottle jack is a good replacement.
But, they high lift jack is a handy tool to have in some recovery cases.
Thanks for your reply mate.
Cheers Tim.
Thanks for the video!
No worries at all. Im glad you found the video helpful.
Thanks for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
The going down part is so sketchy. I have the harbor freight one. The first time I used it I hit the lever and after the first click going down it wouldn’t go down anymore. Then all the sudden, it dropped all the way with the weight of my truck.
G'day mate,
Thats no good what happened to you while using a hi lift jack. Thats why i mentioned about keeping hands well away from the jack while it's in the down position.
Glad to hear you weren't hurt.
Thanks for your feedback.
Cheers Tim
Awesome advice 💯
Thanks very much.
I really appreciate your feedback
Cheers Tim
Thank you!
No worries
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
Great video
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim.
Good stuff mate 🍺👍
@@ErniBotha thanks mate
Cheers Tim
Great vid explainer Tim!
Gday Patrick,
Thanks mate.
I appreciate your feedback.
Cheers Tim.
Solid tips Bro!
Gday mate.
Thanks very much.
I’m glad you found the video helpful.
Thanks for your feedback.
Cheers Tim.
Dam you make it look easy young felah,i like to practice lifting my landy on my concrete drive way and lose the vehicle sideways all the time,hmm i thinking its a landy problem because its a round lifting point not a flat one like your jack,l think it makes all four wheel drivers nerves when they get that high lift jack out,the more reason to practice. Stay safe and look after my nissan.
G'day Greg,
I guess when you use something often enough, you will make it look easy when using it.
It sure is a nerves time when a high lift is used in a recovery situation.
Depending on what its used for and the ground the jack is going on.
Thanks mate for your reply.
Cheers Tim.
Thanks for the video mate
G'day Chip,
No worries mate.
Cheers Tim.
Good info Tim. Cheers Steve
Thanks mate.
Brilliant.
Thanks mate.
Cheers Tim
Used my first handyman (old school high jack) today. Scary, didn't use blocks or e brake, my own stupidity. Got popped in the elbow and I learned.
That’s not good mate
Glad you’re not injured more than that.
They are a dangerous item, that’s for sure.
Cheers Tim
Thank You Man
No worries mate.
Glad you found the video helpful.
Cheers Tim
Thanks Tim
G'day Darren,
No worries mate.
Cheers Tim.