It seems this recording is of a different March 14th sermon than the one on the AtheyCreek web page, so the content may differ slightly, but I wanted to comment on the other one. Pastor Brett, you were speaking of forgiveness, as though Jesus has already forgiven people before they asked for forgiveness, and that we are to do the same. You were specifically referring to abuse in childhood and talking about people who are still depressed over it, etc. I challenge you to reflect more carefully over what you said and whether it is balanced Biblically. So, if Jesus forgives people whether or not they ask for forgiveness, then no one is going to hell...ever. And if all who have been severely wronged in this life, with no forgiveness asked by the offender, are to simply let the offender off the hook anyway, no strings, then justice would never be served in this world. That is what it means, the claims you made, Pastor Brett. Let's not have everything disconnected and disjointed and swept under the rug, because there is important context involved in everything to do with healthy christian relationships in the Body of Christ, and the hard stuff is BEYOND the superficial, where the rubber meets the road, and where the truth gets to the heart of the matter. I'm truly glad for you that you've had a carefree and easy life as a christian, but it has not helped you understand deep or hard matters. Is God offended when an innocent child is harmed? I expect you know the answer to that, but I detected zero offense or compassion on your part. When any innocent person in the Body of Christ is harmed, why are you not interested in removing that harm and helping heal the victim? Allow me to say, from experience, that there is a form of forgiveness a victim can give to an offender, whether or not they ask forgiveness, but it is not the kind you characterize, as if they had done no wrong. When are they to be held accountable so that they no longer harm people in the same heinous way? The vast majority of pain a victim suffers is not from an offender but from those in the church who teach as you taught: a blanket, one-size-fits-all-always 'forgiveness' and, btw, 'just get over it' 'you are doing this to yourself' and 'we don't want to hear anymore about it.' What a tragic missed opportunity to correct and protect the Body of Christ, as God would have done. So, the victim has lifelong pain (it often is--you cannot imagine the inner torment that can exist depending on the nature of the abuse and the type of relationship involved), and that's on them not the offender, right? Wrong. WE as the entire Body of Christ are responsible to deal with offenders who are harming innocent victims. Please don't be flip about this issue any longer. If you would like some inspiration related to what I'm trying to say, please look into the life and work of Rachel Denhollander, who currently is working on helping mop up the mess from the Ravi Zacharias fiasco (a minor abuse case in the grand scheme of things, compared to many, but thank goodness it is being properly addressed by christians for the FIRST TIME that I've observed in my entire lifetime--and I'm the same age as you, approximately).
He was saying that Jesus foreknew which of us would come to Him, so since He is above time, He already sees the end from the beginning, therefore Yes, He already forgave it before we asked for forgiveness, but we still have to come to Him and ask for forgiveness. It's like what James said, that He already knows what you have need of before you ask, but even though everything is a gift from God, we still have to ask, we even have to ask for the Holy Spirit (who is actually Jacob, the half brother of Jesus, who is actually Yeshua, since they're Jewish and not king James English).
…and this is why people feel shame for going to Christian counseling to seek help for healing. “Looking at others “ or “caring for others “ can be used in the extreme as well and cause damage. I get why you’re trying to lift up the power of God in our lives and in healing, but please stop making disdainful comments about counseling and helping others feel better about themselves. Much of the damage that is dealt with in therapy comes from the church too. Be a partner in the solution please. Don’t add to the problem.
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It seems this recording is of a different March 14th sermon than the one on the AtheyCreek web page, so the content may differ slightly, but I wanted to comment on the other one. Pastor Brett, you were speaking of forgiveness, as though Jesus has already forgiven people before they asked for forgiveness, and that we are to do the same. You were specifically referring to abuse in childhood and talking about people who are still depressed over it, etc. I challenge you to reflect more carefully over what you said and whether it is balanced Biblically. So, if Jesus forgives people whether or not they ask for forgiveness, then no one is going to hell...ever. And if all who have been severely wronged in this life, with no forgiveness asked by the offender, are to simply let the offender off the hook anyway, no strings, then justice would never be served in this world. That is what it means, the claims you made, Pastor Brett. Let's not have everything disconnected and disjointed and swept under the rug, because there is important context involved in everything to do with healthy christian relationships in the Body of Christ, and the hard stuff is BEYOND the superficial, where the rubber meets the road, and where the truth gets to the heart of the matter. I'm truly glad for you that you've had a carefree and easy life as a christian, but it has not helped you understand deep or hard matters. Is God offended when an innocent child is harmed? I expect you know the answer to that, but I detected zero offense or compassion on your part. When any innocent person in the Body of Christ is harmed, why are you not interested in removing that harm and helping heal the victim? Allow me to say, from experience, that there is a form of forgiveness a victim can give to an offender, whether or not they ask forgiveness, but it is not the kind you characterize, as if they had done no wrong. When are they to be held accountable so that they no longer harm people in the same heinous way? The vast majority of pain a victim suffers is not from an offender but from those in the church who teach as you taught: a blanket, one-size-fits-all-always 'forgiveness' and, btw, 'just get over it' 'you are doing this to yourself' and 'we don't want to hear anymore about it.' What a tragic missed opportunity to correct and protect the Body of Christ, as God would have done. So, the victim has lifelong pain (it often is--you cannot imagine the inner torment that can exist depending on the nature of the abuse and the type of relationship involved), and that's on them not the offender, right? Wrong. WE as the entire Body of Christ are responsible to deal with offenders who are harming innocent victims. Please don't be flip about this issue any longer. If you would like some inspiration related to what I'm trying to say, please look into the life and work of Rachel Denhollander, who currently is working on helping mop up the mess from the Ravi Zacharias fiasco (a minor abuse case in the grand scheme of things, compared to many, but thank goodness it is being properly addressed by christians for the FIRST TIME that I've observed in my entire lifetime--and I'm the same age as you, approximately).
Will check the sermon on website you are referencing. I have just discovered this pastor and was enjoying his bible study. Be a shame
He was saying that Jesus foreknew which of us would come to Him, so since He is above time, He already sees the end from the beginning, therefore Yes, He already forgave it before we asked for forgiveness, but we still have to come to Him and ask for forgiveness. It's like what James said, that He already knows what you have need of before you ask, but even though everything is a gift from God, we still have to ask, we even have to ask for the Holy Spirit (who is actually Jacob, the half brother of Jesus, who is actually Yeshua, since they're Jewish and not king James English).
…and this is why people feel shame for going to Christian counseling to seek help for healing. “Looking at others “ or “caring for others “ can be used in the extreme as well and cause damage. I get why you’re trying to lift up the power of God in our lives and in healing, but please stop making disdainful comments about counseling and helping others feel better about themselves. Much of the damage that is dealt with in therapy comes from the church too. Be a partner in the solution please. Don’t add to the problem.