DIY Air Heater! Tee-Pipe Heater Improved! (3X Hotter!!) Orig. 170F/77C - Now 500F/260C! Hot Furnace!

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  • DIY Air Heater! Hot Air Furnace! (upgrade!). this video shows how i made just one small modification to my recently posted {4" Tee-Pipe Air Heater video} and now i'm getting near 500F/260C! output air temps (up from 170F/77C output temps). The Fan: 120mm low speed fan used (always use a low speed fan with these units). The Fuel: the unit can burn either isopropyl alcohol (70% or 91%) or ventless fireplace fuel (ethanol or bio ethanol). i was burning bio-ethanol when filming this video. can be run "off" grid (with DC fan). note that the pipe itself never gets that hot because the heated air is blown out so fast (also because the fan is constantly cooling it). note: bio-ethanol is an extremely clean burning fuel. it burns "particulate free" meaning there's no smoke, fumes or odors of any kind. it only releases water vapor and a very small amount of co2 (small meaning about the same amount that one human exhales). if interested here's the link to the original video • DIY Air Heater! Hot Ai... (includes lots of extra info). if you like the video please rate, comment, sub and share!

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  • @kristiyoung9735
    @kristiyoung9735 2 года назад +10

    It's amazing what a difference a seemingly minor design variation can make!

  • @KaleidoscopeJunkie
    @KaleidoscopeJunkie 2 года назад +9

    Construction adhesive is highly flammable until it cures.
    Apply in well vented and wait the amount of cure time stated on the label.
    POP rivets and screws are instant.
    I've started using this heater and the dry heat feels awesome ! !
    Thanks for the follow up.- KJ

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад +2

      hi there. it's awesome that you made it! (yes, you apply it and wait 24 hours (usually) for it to dry. i use "liquid nails" construction adhesive a lot. it's ready in 24.

    • @KaleidoscopeJunkie
      @KaleidoscopeJunkie 2 года назад +4

      @@desertsun02 I made one of your - cans in a box - style heater with a 12v fan.
      It was My only source of heat when I first bought My property - 2015. It still works great and I'm so glad you posted it and many other videos. -KJ

  • @danestarbird34
    @danestarbird34 10 месяцев назад +2

    Just an idea. If you added one more coupler above the flame before the heat exchanger tube and close that tube off, so the fan is not blowing over the flame ( like a forced air gas furnace heat exchanger) might help. It’s an amazing build. I love your channel. Makes me think a lot more. Thanks for sharing with us all.

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  9 месяцев назад

      hi. i'm glad you like the channel and that it is inspiring you!

  • @jayduffy7615
    @jayduffy7615 2 года назад +17

    The fan blowing through the T fitting, could be creating a venturi. If so, that means that the leg with the alcohol stove is under vacuum. I wonder if drilling small holes around the bottom fitting, near the height of the top of the tuna can, would help the flame burn hotter as it would suck fresh air in and feed the flame even more, making it even hotter. 🤔 I may have to try this and see what the results are using different configurations. Thanks for the video and information!

    • @rclewis01
      @rclewis01 Год назад +1

      I think you are totally right. I think the reason it works now is that the new extension piece has the crinkled wavy metal ends. That lets air in at the bottom of the flame and the extra height makes it act like a rocket stove. If you seal that joint, then it wouldn't work as well. But, you could seal it and drill holes like you said, Jay.

    • @glenngiesbrecht3825
      @glenngiesbrecht3825 Год назад

      Totally right. More air is better not just for heat but also less soot buildup! 🪔

  • @jeffreyrood8755
    @jeffreyrood8755 2 года назад +4

    That's really awesome. A very minor change makes a major difference in the heat output. You can ask for better than that. I need to round up some stuff and lower my power bill. It wouldn't take long to run you outta the house like that. Great job.

  • @stevejorgensen8123
    @stevejorgensen8123 2 года назад +4

    great job of bringing this to light. maybe use a short bucket and add cement in the bottom with the tuna can and 4" coupler for a stable platform instead of all the bricks. I like your ideas and will be trying some of them

  • @rneedham667
    @rneedham667 2 года назад +3

    I made your first one with the stack boot.im using it now. Im nice and warm.
    Thanks to you!!! I'm going to be Really ready next winter i will make this one.
    Thank you again!

  • @mtradz1
    @mtradz1 2 года назад +3

    Dude you just keep knocking it out of the park with these videos!

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад +2

      thanks. i appreciate the feedback. probably 2 more heater vids this winter and then i might transition back to summer videos (air coolers etc.)

    • @mtradz1
      @mtradz1 2 года назад

      @@desertsun02 great! looking forward to them!

  • @MichaelR58
    @MichaelR58 2 года назад +7

    Great upgrade , impressive , thanks for sharing ,God bless !

  • @theyframedme
    @theyframedme 2 года назад +4

    You should place the thermometer 6" in front of the heat source 4 an accurate exhaust temperature.
    It is a good DIY project.
    The reason why its hotter is because the source of heat is being exposed to less of the cooling element (wind) allowing the source to conduct more heat on combustion (where the fuel transforms into flame).
    Nice job, cool lil project.

  • @Skashoon
    @Skashoon 2 года назад +4

    I tried to find inexpensive ethanol, but all I could find was very expensive. If I can get good enough heat using isopropyl and the extension, good enough. I have a 240 sf tiny house.
    The reason the extension helps is complete combustion. You could screw self-tapping sheet metal screws to secure the pipes.

    • @tracylawrence5258
      @tracylawrence5258 2 года назад

      I'm in a 12x20 as well. 10ft walls so I have 2 lofts as well. I have a wood stove but this is a good back up.

    • @Rob-kv3ry
      @Rob-kv3ry 8 месяцев назад

      I wonder how much more coupler extension would be needed to get a rocket stove affect?
      Also, what I would lile to figure out is how to use the least amount of fuel, but get the same or close the amount of heat produced now.
      The idea is to heat the air enough but also stretch out the longevity of the fuel.

  • @tracylawrence5258
    @tracylawrence5258 2 года назад +1

    This would be an awesome solution for camper or van dwellers.

  • @danam.8709
    @danam.8709 2 года назад +10

    Just curious, could this have a copper coil or ??? added (inside?) to provide warm/hot water ???

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад +8

      yeah, you could probably do that. that's a neat idea.

  • @cocoabiscuits
    @cocoabiscuits 2 года назад +3

    this is awesome! thank you! time to get a coupler now

  • @ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow
    @ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow 2 года назад +3

    Pretty cool maybe rivet the whole thing up with some right angle brackets

  • @WORRO
    @WORRO 2 года назад

    Twice as hot and half as noisy! Love it, thumbs up video my Friend ~John

  • @Siouxperman
    @Siouxperman Год назад

    This is the upside down version of the Dakota style fires. If you added a small hole on your can or where airflow can get under your flame, that would add another 100 degrees hotter minimum. I built 3 of these for my 60 ft shop. I do have a wood stove, but these work just as good and I don’t have to wait around for the wood stove to burn out. Lol

  • @freyjajayrozeangelicallypo6136
    @freyjajayrozeangelicallypo6136 2 года назад +4

    How long does the alcohol burn for I'm trying to estimate how much I would need to burn and how much I would need to pay if I use this pretty much all day everyday

  • @beholdheiscomingonthecloud5526
    @beholdheiscomingonthecloud5526 2 года назад +1

    Outstanding! This will by my shtf solution in an apartment:)

  • @kariannaperry1402
    @kariannaperry1402 2 года назад +4

    AWESOME BUILD as always! Could you use the toilet paper roll in the can so less chance of spilling the alcohol? Approx. How long would 32 oz. of 70 % alcohol burn? Thanks

    • @joshmo21
      @joshmo21 2 года назад

      I was wondering the same thing with the toilet paper in a paint can. You might have to make it a little bit taller.

    • @mikerevello3828
      @mikerevello3828 2 года назад +2

      Check out lard as fuel. I just watched a few. They burn for a really long time on lard. Good luck

  • @Leskeg
    @Leskeg Год назад

    great job and so simple but i think you need to drill some holes in the bottom part for oxygen inlet ...

  • @hermanlighthall3972
    @hermanlighthall3972 2 года назад

    I had tires your method and actually work!! Rarely does DYI work for me but this one does. Just in time for us forks in Nv for all our gas bill just went up (without warning). So, I will add this with my home heating system. Thanks for this GREAT idea👍👍❗❗

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад

      hi there and thank you. i'm glad it helped! 🙂🔥

  • @kristinz5518
    @kristinz5518 2 года назад +1

    Check out the ethanol gel cans...
    They're basically a tuna can with a smaller opening on top with a lid. They burn 2 hours... then you could reuse the can/lid with alcohol or ethanol liquid.
    I think you can buy 6 for about $20 last I checked.

    • @mississippigardener987
      @mississippigardener987 2 года назад

      That’s good in emergency situation but not as a true heat source, it would be very expensive.

    • @kristinz5518
      @kristinz5518 2 года назад

      @@mississippigardener987
      Exactly... but ethanol doesn't smell offensive (like iso) and the gel cans burn for 2 hours as opposed to the liquid is gone in 20-30 minutes.
      I think most of these ideas are for emergency or grid down situations though.

  • @jcon6115
    @jcon6115 2 года назад +3

    I am wondering if the oxygen supply were closer to the flame how would the performance be effected? Like small holes in the bottom of the metal cans and extension sleeve?

  • @zapnot
    @zapnot 2 года назад +3

    Thats awesome

  • @pnyarrow
    @pnyarrow 2 года назад

    Tatally brilliant! Thank you for sharing. Stay safe. ATB. Nigel

  • @jwrhynejr9608
    @jwrhynejr9608 2 года назад

    DUDE, THAT IS AWESOME!!! MANY THANKS FOR YOUR PERSEVERITY ON RESEARCH!!

  • @foxmaine3921
    @foxmaine3921 2 года назад

    He should try 1 more coupler and see if that adds even more. Just trim off one end of the crimped section so you have a regular pipe end to slip into the first coupler.

  • @frankdel5115
    @frankdel5115 2 года назад

    you should test this with buddy burners and other kinds of stoves. Great Job impressed.

  • @hermanlighthall3972
    @hermanlighthall3972 2 года назад

    You just made my "Play of The Day" (I'm impress)😁😁👍👍❗❗

  • @mitch5077
    @mitch5077 2 года назад +1

    The parts I got at our HD looks a bit different. The Tee doesn't have the ribs on it and the connector for the bottom is a bit longer, hope it works, but an experiment right?. Is the Tuna can have a significance? Or just for saftey. Thank You for all your projects through the years, you are appreciated! 😎

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад +1

      home depots tee pipes are a bit different. i got the tee pipe from lowes. if the tee pipe you bought from home depot doesn't work - let us know (if you want). it would be helpful to know if it works. the tuna can is just for safety.

    • @mitch5077
      @mitch5077 2 года назад +1

      @@desertsun02 If you look on HD site you can see it is a Tee but not as nice as yours. I knew I should of went to Lowe's. I'll let you know how the longer connector works.

  • @allenvaughan1
    @allenvaughan1 2 года назад +2

    I am wondering...
    Would adding some holes to the bottom of the coupler allow more fresh oxygen into the "plenum" and further increase the temperature of the burning alcohol? The yellow flame suggests incomplete combustion.

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад +1

      hi. it seems like it's actually burning just as strong as it does with no pipe over it. much of the air that is shot into pipe actually goes down to the flame and then back up again. it looks so yellow because it's in an enclosure. that same flame looks almost invisible when you add light to it. *my next video shows a great example of that. (it looks solid yellow in the shadows and almost invisible when i shine light on it. my original video with this 4" tee pipe has some footage of that too. (when the living room curtain is closed it's yellow and when the curtain is open the flame looks half-invisible.

  • @ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow
    @ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow 2 года назад +1

    Makes sense that the flame is a toroidal energy field and it needs a certain amount of space

  • @pauldavies2751
    @pauldavies2751 Год назад

    ...its the rocket stove effect i think... good job 😁

  • @mitch5077
    @mitch5077 2 года назад +2

    Awesome! But how is it getting oxygen? Maybe by the Fan?.

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад +2

      hi yep, the fan. when i originally made the first tee pipe heater (with the 6" black stove pipe tee). i built it so it had airflow from the sides. the 4" model seems to get plenty of air from the fan

  • @queeningod
    @queeningod 11 месяцев назад

    Wonder if I could use this as an indoor sauna heater for my apartment ... 🤔

  • @reginalynn9856
    @reginalynn9856 Год назад

    Brilliant ! 👍

  • @thejaebeing
    @thejaebeing 2 года назад +3

    How long before more fuel needs to be added... Is there a way to automate the process? Thanks.

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад +5

      i'm getting 20 to 40 minute burn times (with ethanol fuel)

  • @Johnwillbegone
    @Johnwillbegone 2 года назад

    Awsome job. Love your videos.

  • @jonahtau6027
    @jonahtau6027 3 месяца назад

    I wonder how much heat with just candles, i might see if it works😊

  • @paulc9739
    @paulc9739 Год назад

    Amazing!! Well done.. adding to my bug out kit (so to speak).. do you think crisco candles would be a good source? I know, depending on the size of the candle, they can last 72 days straight.. (for a medium candle)

  • @Rob-kv3ry
    @Rob-kv3ry 8 месяцев назад

    Got any suggestions on how to burn less fuel but get enough heat to still do the job?
    I want to get a longer burn time per oz of fuel for obvious reasons.
    Since the purpose of the design is to heat the air going up the tube, then the fan blow it out into the room, I wonder if the flame could be reduced enough and add enough extension to the coupler area to still heat the air hot enough?
    So would an alcohol stove can do the same but have a longer burn time?

  • @billyjones9045
    @billyjones9045 Год назад

    You should test it by putting some rods in there. Drill some holes going from one side of the pipe to the other then stick the rods in there to heat up by the 🔥flame I better gets a lot hotter.. I'm doing that on rockfield right now

  • @TheMiccoliGroup
    @TheMiccoliGroup 2 года назад

    Hand sanitizer gel in the tuna can as fuel will prevent spillage.

  • @thegroove2000
    @thegroove2000 2 года назад

    Yer man thats the way. Im defo trying this.TThanks.

    • @thegroove2000
      @thegroove2000 2 года назад

      I wonder if a small wood burning stove could also be adapted like this with the tee pipe over the top?

    • @thegroove2000
      @thegroove2000 2 года назад

      Maybe in a ventilated enviroment presumably.

  • @woodworks2123
    @woodworks2123 2 года назад

    Fantastic mate.

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад

      Many thanks!

    • @woodworks2123
      @woodworks2123 2 года назад

      @@desertsun02 if you don't mind, I'm definitely going to steal this idea for my greenhouse, but make it out of Poured perlite concrete to contain all the heat into the burn chamber and make it a block with the t shape inside so it's stable on its own

  • @tiggam9911
    @tiggam9911 2 года назад +1

    Is this better than the bricks did, in your opinion? Also, what do you think about putting a couple copper coils on ethanol in there if the grid did go down so that you could actually sleep 8 straight without refilling over and over? Just a question, I've been watching from afar and like the stuff you've done.

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад

      hi. it's hard to compare to my brick heaters. this one really cranks out the heat though. i'm not sure what you mean regarding the coils

  • @tracyknowles4680
    @tracyknowles4680 2 года назад

    See you are using a cut tomato can . I assume it was a whisker stove one time. Have you tried the Vienna can stove ? Holds an extra ounce and you don't have to cut.

  • @garywhelansr5602
    @garywhelansr5602 2 года назад

    Can just use a couple stainless rivots on the awesome heater. 👍

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад +1

      anything durable - to make sure it doesn't fall apart

    • @garywhelansr5602
      @garywhelansr5602 2 года назад

      @@desertsun02 True

  • @duggydugg3937
    @duggydugg3937 2 года назад +1

    wondet how it would work on a rocket stove

  • @docink6175
    @docink6175 2 года назад

    slip a couple L brackets under the clamp to sturdy it... I wonder what height you start to see diminishing temps like a velocity stack on a carbureted engine some top racers would get it down to fractions of a millimeter and compensate for temp and humidity....

  • @frankdel5115
    @frankdel5115 2 года назад +1

    I wonder why people never used this device in fireplaces.

  • @queenelcene638
    @queenelcene638 2 года назад

    Look at you! So smart. ThankYou ❤ I shared with Telegram channels ☺

  • @dieter8311
    @dieter8311 8 месяцев назад

    Would this build be sufficient to heat a small garage during winters?

  • @mrsurplusbangbang1857
    @mrsurplusbangbang1857 2 года назад

    If you can hook the fan up to solar power with a battery that would be a great efficient way to heat a house

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад +1

      i agree! you can hook some of these dc fans straight to a 12v solar panel (no battery needed) or just straight to a 12v battery. 12v computer case fans work great with this unit and can be run straight to a panel or a battery.

    • @mrsurplusbangbang1857
      @mrsurplusbangbang1857 2 года назад

      @@desertsun02 nice

  • @arturoalcantar2669
    @arturoalcantar2669 2 года назад

    I WONDER IF USING A 3 WICK CRISCO CANDLE WOULD WORK....IT WOULD LAST 72 HOURS...SO THEY CLAIM... JUST IDEA...GREAT VIDEO THANKS FOR SHARING!!!

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад +1

      hi. unfortunately the wicks on the "wick based" burners will just blow out.

    • @curtthackeray8967
      @curtthackeray8967 2 года назад +1

      @@desertsun02 Hey there! We've chatted before.. I'm a van dweller.. I think I might have a solution to the wicks burning out issue. What if you had about 8, 1- inch holes (for air flow) near the base.. and then you block off the back of the T with some sort of cap.. THEN.. you place the fan at the front end, drawing the heat OUT of the T, and into the room? I'm gonna try that method, myself. I'll let ya know what I find. Keep up the GREAT work!

  • @byfaithalone3529
    @byfaithalone3529 2 года назад

    Awesome

  • @victoryfirst2878
    @victoryfirst2878 Год назад

    I would bet you that using a mantle on top of the stove would make a lot more heat. Try it fella, you will be surprised.

  • @TrailBlazer17
    @TrailBlazer17 2 года назад +2

    What about the exhaust gases?

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад

      the only exhaust gases are water vapor and a small amount of co2 (about the same as a human exhales). burning ethanol doesn't release any harmful fumes (none at all). no smoke, no soot, no ash, no fumes, no odors, nada. it's not a cheap fuel but is very "clean and green".

  • @james9789
    @james9789 Год назад

    Just wondering, does the forced air from the fan increase the burn time ? Does it add extra fuel to combine with the ethanol if you will ,oxygen being burnt up and acting as a fuel?

  • @Itsaboutthejouney
    @Itsaboutthejouney 2 года назад +1

    How do you get it to burn all night?

  • @PakiNewsNetwork
    @PakiNewsNetwork 11 месяцев назад

    Please suggest more fuel types. Alcohol ain't available in Pakistan.

  • @johnalden8066
    @johnalden8066 9 месяцев назад

    Is there a wick or does it work by magic?
    What did U do with the cans & alcohol n stuff?😒

  • @thegroove2000
    @thegroove2000 2 года назад +2

    At what distance do you still feel the heat?.

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад +4

      hi. a noticeable hot breeze reaches about 6 feet (maybe more).

    • @lisastroud7222
      @lisastroud7222 2 года назад

      @@desertsun02.... WOW

  • @markd6430
    @markd6430 2 года назад +1

    What's the rate of fuel consumption

    • @user713Blvd
      @user713Blvd 2 года назад

      I think it consumed a lot, at least 2 gallons a day.

  • @jameswilkins8530
    @jameswilkins8530 2 года назад

    Those look like Landscape bricks. I was just trying to better understand why tape is better than clamps. I get that it seals the air at the tee junction. Just seems that the clamps would be a more durable connector than specialized tape. Apparently Amazon and Wal-Mart sell the bio ethanol. I did not find any at Lowes. But I forgot to call it Bio-Ethanol or Regal.

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад

      hi. the worm gear clamps won't hold it because the coupler is designed for flexible tubing. when i tried to use them it just pushed the coupler out of the tee pipe and it wouldn't hold. i would have just used them if i could have. 3M sells a high temp tape that is good up to 600F. some people have suggested screws or rivets. that may work

    • @jameswilkins8530
      @jameswilkins8530 2 года назад

      @@desertsun02 Thanks. That makes sense.

  • @jerryjohanan1940
    @jerryjohanan1940 Год назад

    What type of temperature does that have if you use a Crisco candle would it be the same or is the Crisco candle less

  • @lisastroud7222
    @lisastroud7222 2 года назад

    Hello. can you suggest a specific bio ethanol ? Great video Very helpful and very much needed thank you.

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад +2

      hi and you're welcome. i've only tried the one brand (so far) so i can't suggest any brand in particular.

    • @lisastroud7222
      @lisastroud7222 2 года назад

      @@desertsun02 ...OK thanks for responding .

  • @jonesvox1
    @jonesvox1 Год назад

    I wouldn’t use adhesive….it will burn or melt. Use pop rivets or self tapping screws

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  Год назад

      hi and thanks for the ideas! 👍🙂

  • @cb4920
    @cb4920 9 месяцев назад

    A couple of tec screws will keep the coupling together

  • @Scott-jz6te
    @Scott-jz6te 2 года назад +1

    Any change you measured an increase in room temperature during burn time?

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад +4

      hi there. absolutely! originally i had fired up that heater that morning just to warm up the living room. i figured i would run it for an hour or two (until the sun started streaming in). i decided to try it with the coupler to see how (or if) it would change the flame. it seemed hotter so i put the thermometer on it and when i saw it in the 400's i grabbed the camera. i couldn't tell you how hot the room got but i was "burning up" sitting in front of the unit. (burning up in a good way)

    • @Scott-jz6te
      @Scott-jz6te 2 года назад +1

      @@desertsun02 Wow! That's amazing. Thanks for the feedback brother. I've been watching your videos for a couple of years now and am never disappointed. Nice job.

  • @bjl1000
    @bjl1000 2 года назад

    I wonder if it could compete with a kerosene heater?
    They will heat for 12 hours on a gallon of kerosene. And are about 12000btu

  • @valm8090
    @valm8090 Год назад

    I'm trying to understand costs here. Maybe I don't know where to buy cheap ethanol. I see 32oz for $20 ($80/gal) for 200 proof Food Grade.... but at 2oz burn rate per 30-40 min.. this gets expensive pretty quick.
    [Edit] I just saw 12pk of 1L bottles (33oz) of BioEthanol on ebay for around $48-$60 f/s. Now that's a lot better. about $4-$5 a bottle so let's say 29c/2oz ... so about $0.60/hour
    I asked ChatGPT to help me calc. the BTU/hour assuming 2m/s air speed, 4inch vent, 500F out, 68F in and 50% humidity. Comes out to almost 16000 BTU/hr !
    Let's assume the circular vent has a diameter of 4 inches, which is 0.1016 meters.
    The area of the vent is:
    A = pi * (d/2)^2 = 0.00812 square meters
    The volumetric flow rate of air: (area of vent in sq.m * air speed in m/sec):
    Q = A * v = 0.00812 * 2 = 0.01624 cubic meters per second
    To determine the mass flow rate of air, we need to know the density of air at the inlet temperature of 68F (20C). Standard density (rho) of air is approximately 1.2 kg/cubic meter at this temperature.
    So, the mass flow rate of air: (volumetric flow * density)
    m = Q * rho = 0.01624 * 1.2 = 0.01949 kg/s
    Temperature difference: The heater takes in air at 68F (20C) and outputs air at 500F (260C), which is a temperature difference of 440F (240C).
    Specific heat of air: The specific heat of air at constant pressure is approximately 1 kJ/(kg*K).
    The energy required to heat 1 kg of air by 1 degree Celsius is 1 kJ.
    Therefore, the energy required to heat 0.01949 kg/s of air by 240C is:
    240 * 0.01949 * 1 = 4.67816 kJ/s
    To convert this to BTU/sec, we can use the conversion factor of 1 BTU = 1.055 kJ:
    4.67816 / 1.055 = 4.43 BTU/sec
    Convert to BTU/hr (how heaters are rated):
    4.43 * 3600 = 15948 BTU/hr

    • @valm8090
      @valm8090 Год назад

      A simpler calculation for "America" :)
      BTU/hour = CFM (cu. ft/min flow) x deltaT (temp out - temp in ..in deg. F) x 1.08 (constant)
      CFM could be measured with a handheld device that measures air speed through a vent

    • @valm8090
      @valm8090 Год назад

      Also to add, in USA, you pay natural gas utilities per "therm". 1 Therm = 100000 BTU's.... Current prices avg 1.80 with delivery, per therm.
      So still cheaper to use the natural gas.
      But maybe if you just want to heat just a bedroom this may save money, instead of heating the whole house via the central system.

    • @valm8090
      @valm8090 Год назад

      But I realized now that my assumption of 2m/sec air speed must be very wrong. It must be way less... because it doesn't "add up".
      The normal BTU's you can get by burning Ethanol is about 20000/liter (33oz)... so only 1250 BTU (about) for 2oz ... (which is said to burn in 30 min here)..
      So 2500 BTU / hour should be the maximum you can get from burning ethanol at the rate of 4oz/hour.... nowhere near that 16000 calculation that assumed 2m/sec air speed coming out at 500 deg F

    • @valm8090
      @valm8090 Год назад

      I figured it out. See when you hold that thermometer so close to the fire, that metal in the thermometer absorbs so much of the infrared (heat). That temp you're seeing of 500 deg F, is FAr from being the **AIR** temperature that comes out of that vent. In fact if you take that thermometer and hold it on a candle flame it will probably reach that.
      Look, to heat AIR "quickly" is very expensive because it doesn't absorb radiant heat (infrared) easily. If you want to know how fast a given room will heat the air to a constant temperature, it's all about the the BTU output and you just can't cheat nature. But you *can* for example store heat into something that absorbs it quicker (say..clay, stone..mass of concrete or sand) and that will absorb it quick, and be able to release it to the air slower, where the air can absorb it slowly.
      You can feel like it's hot when you stand in direct view of an infrared emitter (something very hot..like fire..sun..oven ). But shade that direct view and that feeling is gone (because it wasn't the air temperature you were feeling...it was the infrared radiation). Same goes for your thermometer. It's not measuring the Air temperature. It measures the infrared radiation absorbed by the metal in the thermometer.
      You can do the math and figure out how long a room space air will take to heat from a given temp to another temp, using ethanol at a specific burn rate.
      Best.

    • @valm8090
      @valm8090 Год назад

      Your channel is v cool and i just discovered it :)
      I came back here because I want to elaborate on the difference between infrared radiation and ambient temperature.
      You see both are "sensed" by a measuring device like a thermometer or..your body skin. The difference is infrared radiation can pass through some transparent things but cannot pass through most materials. If you're in direct view of something hot, you will feel that infrared radiation and your body perceives it as "heat" - same as it would ambient temperature. The difference is that "direct view".
      If you have a "mass" of some material that has absorbed heat and that mass is located in direct view, it will release that infrared radiation slowly and you will "feel the heat" for longer. This is why in the older days and even now in rural areas they have BIG MASSES of materials (think clay, heavy cast iron , terracotta stoves..etc) they would heat up. Those materials absorb that infrared much faster than air. Then when the fire is gone, they continue to release that infrared into the surrounding space. If you're in direct view you feel heat. You can also feel heat if the ambient air (which took much longer to absorb the heat) has increased in temperature. But that's not needed.
      They used to have "naked skiing day" in the Alps and I think even in Vermont. It would be cold outside, but the sun and no wind would ensure all the infrared emitted by the sun would make you feel hot enough, to even take your cloths off and go naked skiing.
      These things on your channel I see many of them use this principle of infrared radiation absorption into some heavy mass, then slow release into the air,. This is the key. Otherwise you need a LOT of energy to heat air directly because it just doesn't want to absorb heat. So if you happen to want to measure an "ambient temperature" always make sure you shield your thermometer from a heat SOURCE. Because otherwise you're measuring the infrared absorption of the metal in the thermometer, rather than ambient temperature.
      GL - I like your channel - subbed.

  • @bobandrews705
    @bobandrews705 Год назад

    Are you using any wicking material in the fuel container?

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  Год назад

      hi. i didn't use a wick. it's just the can 🔥

  • @mikeshawbrook-selfreliance
    @mikeshawbrook-selfreliance Год назад

    What is the fuel consumption per hour ?

  • @elduendeoscuro
    @elduendeoscuro 2 года назад +1

    yes it's hotter, but you are consuming the ethanol more quickly.

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад +4

      hi. the burn time is the same on both units. it's not burning any faster. i get around 25 to 40 minutes on either unit (using the same amount of fuel). i timed 2 oz. today. got 38 min. burn time.

    • @elduendeoscuro
      @elduendeoscuro 2 года назад

      @@desertsun02 Curious, my experience in this case is with Trangia stoves; if you separate the pot from the stove you get faster cooking times but consume more alcohol; I thought the same thing would happen in your system.

  • @richardstamper51
    @richardstamper51 2 года назад

    What about just putting it in one of your clay pots?

  • @tracyknowles4680
    @tracyknowles4680 2 года назад

    Can we get a temp reading of the air coming out ? Because you are attached to the metal. 500 seems extremely high

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад +1

      hi. the 500F is the actual air temp. the metal tube doesn't actually get very hot. maybe 150F (that's because the fan is blowing on it non-stop - and because the hot air is blown out of the tube immediately). the 500F is the real air temp. (100%). it topped at 500F but it was steady at 485F for a long time.

  • @frankfortjuggalo5936
    @frankfortjuggalo5936 2 года назад

    Would it burn longer with a rolled up piece of cloth inside the can?

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад +1

      i wouldn't put any cloth in the can. since you are using a fan you don't want any pieces of cloth flying out of the unit.

  • @LaughingBatGames
    @LaughingBatGames 2 года назад

    how long does it burn if you fill it to the top?

  • @massa-blasta
    @massa-blasta 2 года назад

    have you tried alternative fuel blends, like mixing diesel with a small amount of acetone?

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад

      hi. i haven't tried mixing fuels. could possibly be dangerous to do that?

    • @Johnkent1965
      @Johnkent1965 2 года назад

      Lol 🤣 yeah you dont wanna do that indoors.

    • @massa-blasta
      @massa-blasta 2 года назад

      @@desertsun02 diesel will not even light with a match, lol. I've seen Indonesians using a hand pumped garden sprayer to spray a mist into a burner and it produces a ton of heat without smoke once it get hot. Was thinking something like that with a tiny hot burner for heating. Could use the fireplace fuel to preheat the burner.

  • @tommeador4547
    @tommeador4547 2 года назад

    BUILD A FLAT ROOF AND GET A HEAT ACTIVATED STOVE FAN

  • @lonefoxbushcraft
    @lonefoxbushcraft 2 года назад

    Your Def on to something here? Put a huge terracotta pot over it.

  • @bjl1000
    @bjl1000 2 года назад

    What about denatured alcohol?

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад

      hi. denatured alcohol can sometimes stink "to high heaven" so i usually avoid it.

  • @shanarstra2129
    @shanarstra2129 2 года назад

    But you need electricity for the fan!

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад

      yes, but lots of dc (off-grid) options ✔

  • @battleofarmageddon1366
    @battleofarmageddon1366 Год назад

    Parrafin Oil is much better than either of those fuels.

    • @jrd33
      @jrd33 Год назад

      Not better, different properties.

  • @rycwe
    @rycwe 2 года назад

    Where did u get the fan from?

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  2 года назад +1

      hi. i use 2 different fans. the 4" round one is from walmart and the 120mm square one is from amazon (axial fan series model LS1238)

    • @rycwe
      @rycwe 2 года назад

      Thanks big time

  • @rotorent963
    @rotorent963 Год назад

    What fuel u burning

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  Год назад

      hi. i mainly burn an ethanol fuel in this unit. the stuff i use is a type of "indoor ventless fireplace" fuel. you can get it on amazon 👍.

  • @MrToni99
    @MrToni99 Год назад

    what about the risk of Cancer ?

    • @desertsun02
      @desertsun02  Год назад

      hi. no risk of cancer with this. i'm using very clean burning fuel.

  • @pahinhwinh3936
    @pahinhwinh3936 2 года назад

    The devil is always in the details

  • @robsteve7043
    @robsteve7043 Год назад

    AWESOME!

  • @fisherkieds6282
    @fisherkieds6282 Год назад

    Penny stove would be safer